Ep. 104: Tales from the Dark

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us, and one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Wright to night's episode. We're gonna be joined by my guest Bob and Britney. They are the host of Tales from the Dark podcast. They recently had me on an episode of their podcast, and I reached out to them to ask if they wanted to be on an episode of ten Foil Tells. 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But if you'd like to let the audience know who you are and which podcast is and a little bit about yourselves, go right ahead. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, I'm Bob Hicks. My fiance Brittany Clark is the co host of the Talesmod Dark podcast. Wow, we've been a show for around four years now, maybe you'd be going on four years. Yeah, we're going on four years. We got to started right around the pandemic. Really, I think it's been a lot of passion projects sorted for a lot of people, and it's you know, we've been on a trajectory that we really couldn't have foreseen and it's been an amazing experience so far. Of all things to start, it seems to be that was the biggest time frame for podcasts to start, Like if you look at the trajectories of like when new podcasts started, like I think it was like four times as many podcasts started in the year twenty twenty and any other timeframe. I was like, well, let's because everyone was basically stuck at home and had nothing to do, so they're like, oh, I'm wanna start podcast. Yeah. Well, for us, it actually didn't start out as a podcast. Tales from the Dark kind of started out as investigations into weird internet for like phenomenon, basically the Dream Survey, stuff like that, and that we created the Tales from the Dark YouTube channel and Bob worked really hard on that for quite a few months, and that then that transitioned. We were traveling to research some of these different places. I mean, we ended up in Detroit, Michigan looking at a payphone, a free payphone. We ended up in eastern Kentucky, and we ended up at Point Pleasant. And so while we were on these travels and we were going these places, we started having weird experiences. And there's only so much you can really say in short form factor you know, content in general, or just video content in general, unless you're vlogging, So we kind of sat down and said, hey, you know, we're going through these experiences, we are fascinated by the history and by the different things that we're researching. What if we start a podcast too, and talked about our adventures there, and then after the YouTube was created a few months later, we created the podcast too. So yeah, it was it was a roller coaster because I came to Brittany one day because I'd been in the security field for basically my entire adult life. We'll work the same job, and I came to her one day after work. I'm like, Hey, this might be kind of crazy, but I have this story about a payphone. I think people would find these interesting because you know, it's twenty twenty and there's a payphone, an active payphone. Weirder and weirder. Next thing we know, you know, here we are four years later and we have a documentary Inderney for a Belt. We're about to film another one, and it's just been, like said, NonStop excitement and fun getting back into the paranormal realm. Because for Brittany, she really didn't have the same interest I did. I was a taps baby that I always say, I kind of grew up on the og ghost Hunters. I've always been fascinated by the paranormal since the time I was a kid, and I've been chasing you know, what I saw on TV. Now as an adult and getting to talk to some of these folks, I realize television is not exactly a real life. And we did some digging into, you know, various experiments, things that we like to do to bring, you know, a little bit of uniqueness to the table, and we kind of see that in our documentary fantom Form that we did, and yeah, for me, I want to just kind of get it out of the way, because that's one of those common questions for paranormals speriences. I had a door partially open at Raws Historical Society when I was thirteen, and I've been chasing that high ever since. A singular door on a Sony Handicam garage sale camera. I caught that once and ever since then, it's just been chasing that high. Basically, there's always something that leads you to what you're doing any field that you get into. I know, when we talked before, like obviously been in bands and a musician, but even with the music, like there's a connection, there's something that happens, like you've heard something, you wanted to do it, you wanted to start playing music, and it comes to paranormal stuff. I feel like someone always has like some sort of curiosity usually which is triggered from some sort of an experience, and you continuously search for the answers to what happened. Which I can't speak for all podcasters in this type of field, but I think that's majority of us had something happened, and that's why we're doing what we're doing. No absolutely, And like I said, it was kind of one of those things. When we got started, I really didn't know how to approach Brittany with, hey, I want to put a lot of our time, effort, money and resources into doing this crazy thing. And surprisingly she just said, yeah, that sounds cool, no harm in trying, basically, and we shot our shot and here we are, and you know, Brittany, who, like I said, didn't have a whole lot of experience or really an interest in the into high strangeness, seems to be a magnet for high strangeness. The Randedonica bit that we talked about earlier on our show, and then the UFO side and you had was one of the craziest things I've ever seen, because I think I mentioned this to you privately. You know, I grew up in Ohio about thirty minutes away from Wright Patterson Air Force Base, so I'm not a stranger to seeing weird things in the sky. You know. I've seen stealth bombers in person before. I've seen B fifty two's, I've seen AC one, thirties, you name it, I've seen it. Oh, we saw a stealth bomber whenever we were driving back through Kansas. I think, yeah, and then here we are. You know, Brita He's coming back from West Virginia one night and says, hey, she calls me, says hey, I just saw UFO and she's full blown panicking. And that led into an actual interview where I'd interview my co host of Okay, well we're gonna do a contact E report here. We're gonna show people what you should do in the situation, why it's important, that sort of thing. And I wasn't panicking. I was excited. That was a big difference. I say panicking, I mean she was a static to see the least. I mean she was in the video we have we have it on YouTube for our patrons. I think you even said, are we about to get am I about to get abducted? I don't know. Let's e f and go. That's it. I mean you were all in chasing this thing down over several miles. That was the incredible part. Most folks just see strange lights in the sky. They're good. Not Britney Clark. She chases them down for miles across state lines and talking to anyone she can find. Middle of the night. Hey did you see those lights in the sky? Yes? Okay, where'd they go? I'm going after him? That good old boy fishing, Yeah, he was fishing on the river while I was probably looking crazy because I like, did you just see that? Did you just see that? Now? That was that was interesting though. It was an interesting experience. So there were the guy fishing too that he didn't see anything. Well, basically, so I was driving the long story to make a long story short, I was driving through a smaller town in Ohio and I saw this these lights. It's a light phenomenon. It was five lights in a row and they were in a diagonal like up, like going up. I think it's been while so I can't remember. But they had like a breathing effect like you would see an RGP. They were like an orangish reddish color, and they were all there, they all went in and then they all kind of breathed out. I stopped at AutoZone. It was really close to where I saw this, and I called Bob and explained whom what I just saw. And I was like, Okay, I'm I'm gonna keep looking. I'm gona see if I can see something that would explain, you know, what I just saw. Well, there was a school, so where I saw it, it was on my left hand side. There was a school on the right hand side. But behind where I saw it, which was inevitably behind the O'Reilly's. I stopped at our AutoZone, one of the two. It was just an open field. There were absolutely no street lights. There was no landing. It's not airspace or anything like that. There was nothing back there that could explain the light that I saw. Lights. It was multiple. So I ended up driving down that country road, you know, around the barn and around that field and just trying to see if I could see something that would explain what I saw. And then I saw it again by the moon, and this time it was three lights and it kind of blinked in and out and same breathing effect. So I went further down. And one thing we noticed at that time in our research and the places we had gone, a lot of phenomenon scenes to congregate around moving water, water in general, but especially moving water, and there was a pretty substantial river nearby, so I was like, well, I'm just gonna head closer to the river. And the road that I ended up trying, like actually filming this phenomenon on my phone with it was actually righted by the creek that kind of branched off the river, and I saw it for a third time, filmed it, kind of pulled over on the side of the road, and then decided, Okay, I'm gonna go to the river see if I can see it again. So at that point i'd seen it three times. After that, I did not see it again, but I pulled over because thereic I think it was two people fishing, two good old boys fishing. I was like, did you guys just see that? Did you guys just see that? And they said no, no, I didn't. I kind of explained to them what I saw, and they were like, no, I didn't see that, but you know, over in Chili Coffee they had a like a sun come down. It was like a ball of fire come down right downtown Chili Coffee. And then they kind of we talked for another minute and then I left. But yeah, so that was all. Yeah. Then a few months later, we're heading back from Point Pleasant and I see the exact same thing, And it was funny. We had been talking about it, like on the way back from Point Pleasant, like, O wouldn't to be crazy if those lights showed up again, and then not even a half hour later, right around the I wouldn't say around the same area, but in the same general like with them thirty miles thirty to forty miles. Yeah, just the same area. Yeah, And I saw the exact same thing. She saw it not as large as what you saw, but I saw the same thing. So that made me do a deep dive into is there an airstrip nearby? No, there's no airstrip, Okay, is right? Pad have any public test flights? So I no, they don't, right Pat at this point is over an hour away, So again, not seeing that they couldn't be in this area, but unlike yeah, that's a pretty good distance to go for right pad, especially when they usually stick in the Beaver Prey, Ohio, Date, Ohio area with their testing where I'm from. There's actually it's not it's no longer an active base as in I think it was a reserve base. But I'm used to seeing planes, and honestly, right where I live, like literally a mile away as our little municipal airport, so I see hear things all the time. But we've seen some weird stuff within the last six months. I know it's not a plane. One of them I thought was Starlink become Fine. I wasn't Starlink either, so I don't know what that was. But I actually have a recording of it, and if I send the recording, it doesn't show up on the other person's like whoever I send it to, but if you can still see it from my phone. So I'm actually going to try and record the video from a different phone of me playing the video on my phone to see if it'll show up on someone else's phone, because I can't send it without it not showing up, which is I think, is that's crazy. Yeah, it's very weird. Yeah, I've showed it to people on my phone, but like if I send it to them, they don't see it on theirs. I don't know if it's the quality of being completely jinked around from sending it or just something else. Yeah, when usually well when you send files like that, they do get compressed, but compressed enough to not see some kind of light phenomenon or object. Is that's tough. That's weird though, That's definitely really weird. And again, we'd saw something prior to that, and I never once thought to grab my camera and record it. I yelped for my wife and some to come out back and look at this thing hover and out back, and then we watched it for a few minutes and then it kind of floated up and disappeared. And then I even made a comment. I was like, I literally criticized people for never recording things when they see something like everyone has a phone, how they don't think about it. I never even freaking thought about it, So I'm just as guilty as the people I questioned by they don't think about recording it. And then two weeks later, when the thing out front happened, so I tossed my phone to my wife and we were driving back and we hit a bump conveniently, and she hit record and we hit that bump, but she apparently hit the button again not realizing, so she didn't end up recording very much, and then she started recording again. At that point you see where it kind of spades away, but that two to three second clip you can really see it. So, like I said, I try to send that to people in for whatever reason, it doesn't show up. So can you kind of describe what the lights look like? Because it's one thing that's been interesting to me. You mentioned the last six months, and I follow this stuff pretty pretty you know, closely, and there does seem to be an uptick, especially in the Midwestern region of the States, of light phenomenons in general. So that definitely stands out to me something I've I've heard of before. Now in regards to the phone not recording, like Britain said, it could just be a compression issue. Modern phones, they're notories, are taking great pictures and they look great on their phone. When you upload them to say Facebook or send them through text message, they don't always look nearly as good. So that may explain what's happening with the the issue of sending it. But what do these lights look like? The first thing that we didn't cord literally looked like a glowing orange flare, and I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into it because down the road from us there is the factory and they actually make flare, so I just assumed at first that's what it was. But I've never seen them actually out testing flares, not so that I've been out here, and it just seemed not like a flare, seemed like it was not moving, and then when we were watching it, we could notice it started to go up, and then it went over and went up again, then it just disappeared. If it was a flare, you'd think it would have came down, they wouldn't have went up and then over and then up and then disappeared. So I don't know what that was. And the stuff that happened out front that I thought was starlink at first, there was multiple lights and they were in a almost like a vertical diagonal type pado like they went up a little over, up and over, up and over almost like stare, looking like staircase, and they were just in the same spot and then they just disappeared like they weren't moving or anything. But we could see those from the stop signs, So that's where we started recording the video app One question, do you have one thing that I've noticed just in the phenomenon that I've seen personally, whether it be the orbs that I saw or the ones that Bob saw. But we actually recently saw another light phenomenon in eastern Kentucky of all places where I saw it at first, and then it remained stationary moved in a similar pattern afterwards. But after light phenomenon, does the sky look different to you? Like? Are you seeing any other when the lights go off? Basically, are you seeing any other kind of pattern or anything? I don't really know the I remember the first one that happened out back because I had to come down and I had to record an episode with someone, and I think mentioned it that I've just seen the random lights off backwards I thought were weird. And then ironically, when we see the stuff up front, I was on my way home was had to record someone else, So both times has been right when I've been happened to get home and record someone's I never really stayed outside to look around. Plus it was in late November and then beginning of December, so it's cold outside, so I don't like being outside anyways. So never I never really paid a whole lot of attention to the outside, like restless skies or anything. The only reason why I'm asking is one thing that I noticed is uh, the sky, and a lot of the times, I want to say, almost every single time I have seen any kind of light phenomenon, it looks shimmery to me, like it almost looks like a blanket of diamonds kind of thing. And it's not just the stars, like it's literally blinking, like fast blinking. Any out shimmer over the sky after light phenomenon is something I've noticed, and I pay a lot of attention to the sky, like whenever we go out, we're out in the woods a lot, we're out nature a lot. You know, I pay a lot of attention to the sky, and it seems to be something that I only see after phenomenon. Basically, I like to look out at the stars every once in a while anyways and just try and see if I see anything strange. And I always see a lot of things moving up there, but a lot of the times I keep paying attention, I can see where there's a little bit of a flash, and then that's why I usually can tell if it's a plane. But then you see things that are moving that you can't really notice anything on it. So those are the ones that like that of satellite or is it something else. And I've seen videos for people who went out with like night vision and they kept the weird shapes why under the air and I don't Again, I've never done anything like that. I don't have night vision, but it really makes you wonder what all is actually up there that we're not able to really tell, you know, So I've never noticed the sky being different looking, but I did my friend this episode came out a while back. He saw something up north around South Bend area, and he said the whole sky was almost lighting up like lightning. But it was also back in December, so there's no way. He said, it was like foggy out and the whole sky and everything was lighting up, but they could never figure out why. And we went back and looked around from the time frame, there was no storms obviously going on in the middle of winter, so I don't know what that would have been No, that's that's definitely strange. No, I have heard of like lightning looking I don't know what the actual, like official term is for like lightning can get strapped when the moisture goes to it either increase or decreases rapidly. I've seen that before, but for the entire sky instead of just a portion that that's you know, that's that's a new one for me. I don't know how much of the sky obviously wasn't there, But like he said, if you look at on the screen where it shows my artwork, he said, down at the very bottom where it's kind of like orange yellowy colored, like what the smoke and this fog is, that's honestly what it looked like. But it was in the sky, he said, that was about the color that was lighting up. And you said it was super foggy, he said, he said, it was like foggy, cloudy out at night. See, with the fog, the only thing would be you would have to identify with the light sources. But I've definitely seen videos of people near like stadiums and stuff like that that have a lot of lights, or even concerts and when it's really foggy out it can definitely project light really intensely. It makes it look kind of crazy. But no known light source that would cause that kind of effect. Then then it's definitely weird phenomenon. But I do know, like when you're surrounded by fog like that, if it's that low to the ground, it does amplify the light a little bit. Yeah, I do know. One of the explanations for the Marfa license and specific are is light being trapped behind like not necessarily fog, but the upper atmosphere, low hanging clouds with the uh like the way that the angle basically is the highway that's get twenty x miles or however far away from where they see the Morpher lights. That's one of their explanations. But those are very similar to the Brown Mountain lights. They're not, you know, it's not the entire skylighting up their small little blurbs here and there. Yeah, Like I said, I'm not one hundred percent sure what he saw. I just know that he's not the type that instantly goes into weird stuff like that. So whatever it was, he must have been something he wasn't used to seeing. And he even he was ubering that night and he asked the driver or the he wasn't her, but the guy that he was picking up if he'd ever seen anything like they both saw, and the guy said, he's never seen anything like it either, So definitely weird. That's why I talk it up to just one of those instances where he's seen something weird and you can't really explain it. Yeah. No, absolutely, you guys had done and docum entry Phantom Farm. Do you want to let the audience know a little bit about what that is? Uh? Sure, Yeah, so Phantom Farm. So we put that out last February, I believe last March somewhere early last year we released Phantom Farm. And a good friend of mine who had been investigating with since I was a teenager. I was playing shows with him before that, Tyler Terry. He had visited Randolph County Infirmary over in Winchester, Indiana, and he says, Hey, you know, I know you're into this as well. I want to show you this clip. Tell me what your thoughts are, you know, tell me basically it doesn't look like it's bullshit, And so I said, okay, cool. So it was a clip of his film partner Nathan Barnes getting scratched basically while they were in the basement of Randolph County. So initially when he when he showed to me, I kind of rolled my eyes. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure whatever, like because that's that's the same time. You know, every Ghost Hunter show has someone getting scratched in almost every episode. That's just how it works and it gets clicks. But Tyler adamant that he was on camera for about thirty minutes before thirty minutes after. At no point in time did he reach behind him. He didn't get out of the chair. There was no way he could have scratched his back. And the Weltz looked relatively new when they had seen them. How many were there three? Well I think there were four in total, but they what you could see was three. Okay, so he showed, you know, he shows me the clip and I said, you know, I don't know, you know, how is Nathan's demeanor? So and still he go to debunking mode. Well, they hadn't been in a place where Nathan was by himself. He couldn't have scratched himself. And I said, okay, well, if you're you know certain that this are fairly certain that he didn't do this to himself. I got to check this place out, and it had been several years since I'd been on like a real formal investigation of a location like that. And I'm pretty sure it was Britney's first location, right, Yeah. I mean we had gone and investigated other places, but yeah, that was my first one. Yeah. So we end up booking Randolph County Asylum, and I didn't really know what to expect. I think I kind of pitched it to Brittany the same way I pitch everything else, like Hey, it could be cool or it could be nothing. Let's let's let's just go check. And we get there, and I kind of knew right away we had something special with a location. Because Brittany's eyes don't lie up about much. She's from western North Carolina. She knows true beauty of the natural landscape. So to see her kind of get excited about a location was really cool. We went and shot Randolph. We visited there I think four times now in total. But we shot it over one night and initially kind of started like all ghosts suns, do you know you're sitting in the dark, not a lot's happening. Brittany had to I think you were the first person to have to sit in the baseroom by yourself. And now I had neglected to tell her that that was part of what she was gonna be doing and say you're gonna be by yourself in this giant, creepy asylum. But she, you know, kind of killed it. And one thing that kind of stuck out to me in the baseroom with Brittany is this you hadn't done it before, so everything to you you were picking up for you weren't writing anything off. Most season investigators they want to just write things off because in their minds they've already made up there's no way it's a ghost. Well, Brittany's okay, well this sound was here. Let's try and debunk this in the moment. So I basically can sleep better at night or what have you. We did the investigation and we had something happened about midway through that to this day still kind of haunts me. I don't want to give it away for the listeners here, but I had another investigator with me something happened. We've probably rewatched that clip how many times, Brittany, if you had to guess Elly in at this point, we've watched it together, we've watched it separate. And when I say well, I mean the entire group, everyone who was there that night. We've showed it to friends, we've showed it to other investigators. We've shown it to just about anyone. They can't even send it off to, like an audio professional that we knew at some point. I think you said it to a couple of them. Actually, well, in my brain, I was like, did I imagine the footsteps? And then Tyler put these in and post No, Tyler, Tyler is too much of a skeptic to ever do that, because it was just one of those things like you don't expect it to ever happen to you, you know, you see it on TV, you see it in movies. But it happened, and I remember, you know, the moment it happened. I had something you know occur and I looked over at Austin. I was like, did that really just happened? Because up to that point we were dealing with this what I would call it trickster phenomenon that seems to plague Brittany and myself everywhere we go. Where we would walk down one hallway and now Randolph's a very large building. We would walk all the way to one side of the building, and then on the other side of the building we to hear banging and you know, doors opening and closing, what have you. We would run down to the other side, only for it to kind of change spaces. And this went on for what hours? Yeah? Altogether? Well, I mean did it all night? Really? Yeah? But yeah, so we kind of ran back and forth and we're kind of just going nuts at this point. So I said, you know, we're gonna sit down. So we sat down on one of the wards beds there and we're talking. And as we're talking and we're not paying attention to it, of course, activities starting to ramp up on our floor because that's just how this works. So we go back to the main floor outside of Noah's bedroom, where a lot of activity allegedly occurs, and that's what happened. I looked over at Austin. I said, hated this just happen. He said, yeah, yeah, it just happened. This is crazy. But my think my favorite part about Phantom Farm in general was we got to show what an actual investigation is like, what goes into playing an investigation, and the importance of being prepared but also staying level headed, because I want Brittany to kind of walk us through. When we thought someone had broken in to Randolph, what we were investigating, Well, Austin was outside smoking and he waved us down. We were standing in the kitchen eating Pisa, which is a joke that we had that night because no one else wanted to eat that dang pizza. But Austin waved us down, fled U down from the window, and so we kind of went outside as quick as we could, and he was like, I think I just saw someone like walk past up shed outside but where our cars parked, And so we're out there. We could see Tyler and Nathan, who are the other two investigating. We could see them through the curtains in the baseroom. The kitchen is attached to the baseroom, or that what we were using as a baseroom, But we did not see them leave that room. So we go back inside. We go back into the kitchen, and when we got back the door to the basement was open. And the thing about this door is it's not like, you know, oh, someone just forgot to close it. The way we went out of the kitchen. If that door was open before we left, we would not have been able to leave the kitchen. When that door's open, it basically blocks off that entire entryway. Yeah. Now with that door, I just want to chime in, I have spent literal hours because we had to come back and do some be real shots then do the interview segments for the documentary. I spent more time than anyone trying to open that door by stopping, pulling on it, pushing on it. If it's half flatched, it won't come open. There was no way to open this door. And I will die on that hill that you just can't do it. And we tried. Like I said, I've tried for multiple hours because it just bothered me so much, and I was convinced that somebody was in there messing with us. That it had you know, so either a ghost opened it or someone was in the building with us. Well, that's the first thing we went and checked for. Was once this building or once this door we realized it was open, we went into full like lockdown like Bob Tyler, Nathan All took to the floors, went into every nook and cranny that we could. There was a couple locked doors, but like locked when we got there kind of thing. Went and checked the grounds, checked around the perimeter of the building. I monitored the cameras. I think Austin helped me too, and so I mean we went full lockdown mode just in case someone did break was trying to mess with us. And we never saw a cherrace of anybody, so we still couldn't explain how that door was opened that night. So this is weird. Yeah, and it's one of those things that you know, people are way scarier than any of the Ghoule's ghosts or goblins that we chase. That's what we're adamant about. And it kind of pulls you out of the moment, but it also kind of threw us back in to end off the night, which we did in the Attic, which is supposed to be one of the most like active areas. Demonic stuff claims you name it, it happens to the Attic. Basically, it was a really exciting night. It was our first like major project we'd ever undertaken of that magnitude. You know, we had done some YouTube videos here and there kind of document our journey. We'd done the podcast stuff, but for a full fledged hour plus long documentary. This was our first attempt, and it was very well received, with the exception of the paranormal community. Believe it or not, everyone that creates content seem to love it. If you have gone got something, you seem to love it. If you love Zach Begans, you hated it. Because we have several reviews that are I want my money back. There was no jump scare or no one got possessed. What is this crap? It's like, well, that's television for you. And unfortunately television shows like Ghost Adventures, as important as they were to kind of bring the fringe into the homes of millions, it said an unrealistic expectation that every ghost hunt has a demon that's going to attack you and throw air and down the basement stairs, and it just unfortunately doesn't happen that way. And we got plagued by a handful of pretty poor reviews. But apart from the reviews, the actual reception has been phenomenal. Like I said, if you're in the field, you seem to really enjoy it. You kind of see the steps Beutter took to make sure it was realistic. We didn't rely too much on gadgets because you Brittany, and actually anyone that knows me can attest. I'm very picky when it comes to my paranormal equipment. It's got to work a certain way. I have to be able to take it apart and know that it works that way. There's no tomfoolery because we get asked a lot about our opinions, like spirit Box apps. We're completely against apps. None of the work. They're all nonsense. I'll die on that hill as well. So with Phantom Form, it's a real investigation. You get to kind of see what we went through that night, and then if you kind of follow us afterwards through Tales from the Dark, you kind of see the after effects of Phantom Farm. And it's definitely been a wild ride since that's come out last year. I feel like when you get people leaving negative reviews or comments or anything like the I don't think people really understand everything that goes into it. Kind of like what you're saying, like with the TV shows and everything TV is for entertainment purposes, and if you're doing like a documentary, yes people watch it to be entertained, but you're not here to make it to where it's fake. And I feel like majority of this stuff on television they have to add that in there just to make it more interesting, to keep the people's attentions because they're expecting something more entertaining. And that's where the struggle comes from. When I've attempted to go on a paranormal investigation, and this was years ago, everything to these people was a ghost. It was haunting, no matter where you went, every little thing that they could, oh, it was a paranormal. It was like, not everything is freaking paranormal because you can literally explain certain things away. While there's ems around here, you're also in a building for the eighteen hundreds and the wiring is shit, like you're gonna be picking up different types of levels and stuff like, things are going to be jumping here and there because the electromagnetic fields are wacky. So I try and write off things more on a skeptic side before you start jumping into paranormal. And I've noticed her, at least in my area. Some of the groups that are around here. I'm not gonna say all of them, but at least the ones that I've been on, they tended to jump right into paranormal before they try to rule it out, and to me, that rubbed me the wrong way. We've dealt with that quite a bit, where everything is a ghost from nothing as a ghost. And one thing that I really think that we bring to the table because Brittany is very great about holding me accountable, because I have a habit of wanting to just run and blind and Brittany's like, well, let's get a temperature of the place, let's figure out what this could be ahead of time. Let's keep our brains in the right spot. And unfortunately, you know I should I shouldn't say unfortunately. Fortunately we're podcast hosts that cover the paranormal. We do tear a lot of this stuff apart on our show. It would be a disservice if we went out and pretended everything was a demon. Now I have the unpopular opinion I don't actually believe in demons at all. I think that it's simple. If you were an asshole in life, you're an asshole in death. I think it's as simple as that. I don't follow the demon moniker that gets tossed around way too freely, and it's just one of those things that you do get those with groups because again a lot of people are just trying to mimic exactly what they see on television and their brains they already had made their mind up, and that's just how it works. And I kind of want to know this to Brittany, because you had watched some ghost adventures, right, but not enough that it kind of like formed your opinion. So can you get to walk us through what your approach was for that real first investigation, Like, did you have any expectations going in? No? Not really, I mean we talked about it in the documentary. I try to keep an open mind. I mean we had been investigating other types of places before. I mean, we went gaming, We've studied the occult, we went UFO watching, we went looking for cryptids. I mean, we've done We did a lot of stuff for Phantom Farm too. But I just try to keep an open mind and try to push out any superstitions. I have one of those that I cannot let go of for some reason, as I still won't use Ouiji board, even though Bob has debunked it Tom and Tom again. But that's just me grew up one way, and hopefully we'll change it one day, but today's not that day. And it wasn't that day in Phantom Farm either, Well did we did bring it? And so what Brittany's referencing I did a video was that, like one of my first ten videos I did yeah about spirit boards in general, a podcast too, Yeah, because it was one of those things that to me, it's so grossly misrepresented in pop culture what these spirit boards are. And they weren't even really marketed in the beginning as a ghost hunting tool. It was literally, hey to Grandma debut die, you want to see what she's doing. Here's a talking board for you and your family. Back in the nineteen fifties, Like it was a whole thing with the spiritualist movement that brought this into the forefront. And I there's something funny to me about Hasbro being the one who owns the h the officials like talking boards rights in twenty twenty four because you go to you can get to a Toys r Uss if you can find one, and buy a weach board from Hasbro and it's like I can also buy Monopoly and it's made by the same company. I love it, And that's something I think is often overlook when these things are put in Facebook. Is the best when it comes to all the misinformation about these things. My kids last fall tried to make a makeshift thing to communicate with spirits, and I am very superstitious, and we've had a lot of weird stuff that's went on in this house already. So I went ape shit on them and they're friends for doing that, because in my mind, I'm skeptic to an extent, but that's still one of the things. Kind of like Brittany was saying, that's still one thing I don't want to I don't want to test it out. So I ripped them all new ones, and one of their friends had never been back since they probably went home and told their parents. With the crazy dad over they were screaming at us about ghosts and demons and all sorts of weird stuff. So I don't want to go over there anymore. But my house smir roles they'll go over here and try and talk to dead people. Well, and I understood that, and I can respect that. See for me, I never had those superstitions growing up, and it's there's a story I have to have Britney tell about when we went to Skinwalker Ranch because I didn't grow up around a Native American Reservation the way that you did. I understood Skinwalkers, understood the importance to the Navo Nation. I've done my research, but it doesn't get under my skin the way that it does yours. When we went out to Skinwalker Ranch and you're like, hey, shut the fuck up right now, so can you walk them through? First off, we went out for my birthday. We went out to Denver and then we were like, well, Denver's cool, but there wasn't a whole lot to do. Now if it was now, we would have stayed because Casabonita I'm a huge South Park fan. Casabonita is open now. But we went out to Denver for a few days, saw the National Parks. It was awesome. Which that was the only time I've ever seen Britney nervous on a mountain, by the way, because stand it, I cannot stand driving on the Rocky mountains. Yeah now, apple lash. I should drive down a one full room going ninety through the gorge, no problem, but up a modern act you know, a road that was made in the twentieth century. You know that that terrifies when we're in the Rocky through Because we were going on I think we were going to Mount Shasta from Denver. Yeah, and you you you had slept a little bit on the ride. I think I told you I've seen about stopping there. I don't know if I told you. And the gas station is a full thing. So I actually fun Funnily enough, I just told the story the other day in the interview that I did by myself, so I'm kind of already refreshed on it, so I should be able to tell it pretty good. So, like Bob said, we were driving from Dinner to Mount Shasta, Denver, not Dinner Jesus Denver to Mount Shasta. We went through the Junta Basin and ended up in the town where Skinwalker Ranch is and we stop at a gas station. I wake up, and because I slept all through, like once we got past like the really bad parts in the Rocky Mountains, I was like, I'm sleep. I know there's gonna be more mountains. I don't want to see them. Yeah I do. I do have to interject, if you ever have the choice to not drive through Rocky Mountain National Park at night, take it that. That was terrifying. Yeah, it was, I don't remember what it was. It was. It was core planning on our part, because we went up Rocky National Park that day, like during the day, we went and got drone shots, and then we had to drive like two hours back to our hotel. And then we decided on the way back, like, hey, let's leave, let's let's let's let's go, let's go see what else. Let's go to California. And if we had just packed our stuff from the hotel, we could have cut four hours off the trip because we had to go two hours back the same way we went. But yeah, it was a whole whole ordeal. So we stop at the gas station. Bob goes inside and there's this girl on her phone and he's like, Hey, I'm thinking about going over to Skanwalker Ranch. Do you know anything about it? Have you ever seen anything weird? And she was like, funnily enough, I'm watching one of my Facebook friends UFO watch right now. And she shows him her phone, shows Bob her phone and this dude is just using like night and vision to track objects in the sky. And she was like, I'll comment on his live stream and let him know you're coming. He'll be in a red jeet. Never saw him, so maybe he got out of there because he was like, some weirdos are about to come investigate Skinwalker Ranch, get arrested or something. So we drive out. It's about I want to say, it was like five to ten miles away from the gas It wasn't super far, which that stood out to me because then all the documentary I've ever seen, Hey, they make it out like Skimwalker Ranch is this massive, giant locate. It's not. It's actually pretty small, isn't it. Yeah, super small, And then they make it out like it's in the middle of nowhere. You're hours away from your five minutes from a gas station, like you were ten minutes from the main town. It is not off the beaten path away that people. Again, but that's television and that's that's you know. I give the directors and the cinematographers great kudos to being able to make people believe this is middle of nowhere Utah. Yeah. So we drive out all the way up to the gate. It's on a dirt road. There's some houses on that road, some trailers and smaller houses and stuff like that. Some of them are abandoned, some not. And we drive all the way up to the gate and it has a whole bunch of cameras, a whole bunch of warning signs, basically saying stay out, you'll be arrested if you trespass. We have twenty four to seven guards the whole nine. But on the wing in we saw a dog. Actually that we just talked about this the other day too. We saw a dog. We're driving back to the gate and it starts chasing the car and trying to bite the tires and stuff like that, which I don't know. You said, you live out in the country some the way. Some people raise their dogs out in rural areas. My uncle was one of them. They make them really aggressive because, especially if you live in backwoods or you know your roads your own, you don't really want strangers coming back there that you are unannounced and stuff like that. But dog tried to bite the tires and then it stopped chasing the car once we got a little closer to the gate. When we came back, it was gone. We circled back to go back to the gate, it was there with another dog, which was weird. The other dog didn't bark at us, but the same dog barked tried to bite the car, chasing the car when we came back down the road, they were both gone, and this is like not a lot of time, and it's not a very long road. Yeah, it's a couple of minutes. Maybe because we'd gone down, I'd taken another picture, came back. We're talking less than probably five minutes realistically. Yeah, h go around and I'd probably think like the road to get to the gate is probably like a mile and a half long, maybe two at that. Yeah, it's it's yeah. Yeah. So once we come back through the both gone, there's a hill. If we're heading back out, there's the hill on the left hand side, and then there's kind of like an open field on the right hand side. So we got out of the car and we were just watching the sky to see if we could see any weird lights, which I think we saw some some weird stuff we went around, but nothing necessarily too discernible. And we were standing there together outside of the car, and all of a sudden, I hear something come tumbling down that damn hill behind us, and it sounded big and it sounded mean, and it sounded fast. So I told Bob, I said, get in the f and car right now. Where fing going? So he runs around the car, gets in the driver's side and we start going. Yeah. Now, admittedly I was like, I'm going to stay outside as long as I can because I've heard about Skinwalker Ranch my entire life, huge George Knapp fan, love what the Knids team did, think that it was vital. So it's a case I had followed for a very long time and I was there in person. So I'm like, ah, and tell something's going to kill us. I'm not getting in the car. I think, Well, we had actually circled like all the way around. Yeah, we run the entire property. Yeah, before, so maybe it was three times that we went back to the gate because before we took off that last time, we had actually driven around the whole perimeter, the road that goes all the way around Skimwalker Rane. And again it's super small comparatively. They have a mailbox that they leave open that has a camera inside of it. On the other side. It was like Wolf paranormal. I think it's like Space Wolf Industries or something. And let me look, wait, tell the story off. I'll find the pictures of my phone so I can tell you exactly what it says. I think it's space Wolf that owns it now, but I think it is so they had a sign actually out that sets space Wolf on both sides where the mailbox was and at the gate. But we got in the car regardless of whenever. We actually drive around the whole perimeter and Bob starts taking off, and then we look in the rearview mirrors and then all of a sudden, we start seeing the dog chasing us. The only weird thing was is I saw the dog. When I turn around, I was seeing the dog run down the hill. And what got us in the car was something running down the hill. So I don't think I would have heard with how big that hill was, I don't think I would have heard that dog for that long, and it would have taken the dog that long to run down the hill. So it was weird barking chasing at us. We start driving towards town real quick to interject. So one of the signs is space Wolf Research keep out properties in our surveillance twenty four to seven. And then the other one, the big stop signs this only authorized personnel beyond this point. This is a private road. This private properties monitor monitored twenty four to seven by security personnel with multiple multiple surveillance systems if you proceed beyond this point and be side up for trespassing. And then there's a big sign next to it says no drone zone. That means your drone. So we started driving back to town and we get to the stoplight. We have both of our windows down. We get to the stoplight. This dog chained us for a good amount, but like to the end of the road and maybe a little bit past that. Once we turned left to head back towards town, but not too much. And we have the windows rolled down and pumps talking and he said, I think that was an I think that was sw and he says it. He says the full word. Oh, yeah, completely, Just you know, I was miles away at that point, so yeah, I think it was a skin walker. We just saw Brittany and I looked at him and I said, shut the f up. He was like what, And then I swear to God, We're sitting there and we hear we start hear dogs barking behind us, and I was like, well, it was howling at first that we heard. It's been so long. I don't I didn't. I don't remember the howling, but I remember the dog barking, and it was getting progressively closer as we just stopped at the stoplight and I was like, you, mother, effort, get us out of here now. So it was a weird, weird experience there for sure. Now let me ask you, Brittany, was that which which was weirder Skinwalker Ranch at the time that we went to find Indrid Cold's house in West Virginia, both are equally weird. I think Indrid's house was more of a goose chase than it was anything else. But yeah, Brandon, how familiar are you with the injured Cold story? I only know a little bit about it obviously from the mass Man lore. But I want to before we jump into that. I was going to ask you a question about these dogs. Yeah, what do they look like? Far as do they look like normal dogs? Or were they a little bigger or because I know it was Skinwalker Ranch, there's been a lot of different stories about larger canines out there. Yeah, they were smaller than what I would have expected, like they I would say, a and in between size of a Bassett hound. And it was kind of like shorter, stoutier. I think it was like dishing color. It wasn't a golden retriever or anything like that. But it was smaller, stoutier, and but I mean it was beefy. It was definitely a medium sized dog. I'd probably say like eighty sixty to eighty pounds. Maybe. The second one I didn't get too much of a look at. I think it was a little bit bigger than the first one. Yeah, from what I remember. Yeah, but I've seen big dogs before, and I've been around big dogs. It wasn't like a huge dog or anything like that. But they didn't I've heard tales of like the large black dogs. People say, oh it's the hell hounds or whatever, the Grim's dogs. Yeah, so they didn't look anything like that. No, it wasn't like that. The second dog, I think was black and white. But I definitely didn't see any any black dogs or anything like that while we were out there. Now that that first one, the stout one, was fast, and I mean it was fast. We got to see it run across the field when we turned onto the main road, and it was it was it was fast. Yeah, I don't know that I've ever seen a dog that fast in my entire life. Well, you've been raised around hounds too, so you've been around hunting dogs too. Yeah, these this this one was I mean blink and you miss it almost type of fast border borderline, supernatural, not saying it for sure was, but at the speed it was going, yeah, it was incredible. Yeah. So the dog itself didn't necessarily look too I mean, it looked mean because it was mashing at us, because you know, I don't know how it was raised or anything like that or the conditions that lives in. But it looked mean, but it wasn't too terribly big. Yeah, I was just curious, but had any of the stereotype looks of the black dogs that supposedly were always seen out in those areas. But now, whatever made the noise barreling down that hill, I did not see, I don't. I don't know if that if the dog was doing cartwheels down the hill it was. It sounded like a bear coming down that hill. Honestly, I mean we were in the middle of almost desert too, so there's there's there should be no bears there as far as I know. But it sounded big for sure. As far as the injured, cold thing, I know as tide was like a moth man. But wasn't it basically just supposed to be like this humanoid thing and some people thought it was like an alien. No, so there, if we had another two hours, we can go to the whole story. But the cliff notes are one night Woodrow deren Berger, who was a traveling salesman, was coming back from Marietta, Ohio. He was driving through Parker's Burger Parkersville, Parkersburg, West Virginia, and he's on the interstate there and we visited this site several times. This is stop highway. Yeah, this is a story very near and dear to our hearts. Just because the Ohio River Valley I grew up in Ohio, Ohio, strangeness is a different breed altogether. So what it happened was there were several other cars on the road that saw this thing. But this craft pulls up beside Woodrow as he's driving, pulls in front of him, stops, which turns the whole craft sideways and lands. Basically, yeah, block on the highway, yep, blocking his pathway. An individual comes out of the craft who he described as a nineteen fifties movie star type. Look now, if you go back and listen to the Darren Burger tapes, which I highly recommend anyone inntioned in the case should do. The biggest reason that he's kind of attached to to Mothband at all is because of John Keel. The Mothband flap of sixty seven and sixty eight that happened around the same time. Parkersburg is what about an hour ish from Point Pleasant. It's like an hour and a half. But it's not just it's not necessarily just because of John Keele. It's because John Keel was there's a lot of high strangeness in general that was happening in the Point Pleasant and area in the surrounding areas. Yeah, and that included UFO activity, that included other types of cryptids, that included a lot of men in black sidings, poltergeist activities, pature guyst activity, everything, dead dogs and fields which the Serious Dog Star ties into. There's a whole. I said, that's a whole. You know, Anna worms, Anything John Keel or West Virginia related, I kind of go all in on. But with it was something when he covered Mothman in the Mothman Prophecies, he also touched on other phenomenon and Yeah, one of those stories that he covered was the story of Woodrow, Darren Berger, and Indre Colts. Yeah. So Woodrow ended up writing a book called Visitors from Landulos. If I remember correctly, it's very short. You can get on Amazon for ten to fifteen bucks. Definitely worth the read because because the story didn't just stop after he comes out of the craft, they end up communicating telepathically. He has a conversation saying, hey, I mean you know, I wish you no harm. Actually, in the intro for Tales from the Dark, the the part where you hear he was called cold. That was the name he was called by. That's actually an excerpt from the original Woodrow Derenburger. Woodrow went on a talk show for life me. I can't tell you the name of the talk show, but he went on a talk show and basically told the entire story. I think the tapes are lost, like the actual like video footage of the talk show is lost, but the audio was saved. Yeah, and I if now correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the original tapes at least are inside the Mothman Museum. Endpoint pleasant of was that his police interview. I'm not sure, but I know there are tapes of some sort in the Mothman Museum. Yeah, so woodrons of having a ongoing relationship, according to himself, with these beings Injured Cold, his daughter, the brothers. Yeah, he had a wife, Connor Connor, and yeah, there's a whole thing. As it progressed, Woodrow claims that he was taken to Lanulos. There are little synchronousies that seem to pop up for us in the books, such as the end of the Highway. There's an end of the end of the Highway and near hell, you're Kentucky that we've had some of the craziest phenomenon that we, you know, really can't get too much into too much detail with. But there's a handful of overlap there. But the Injured Cold story is one that really it'll grip you the deeper you go, because there, you know, woodrowne up kind of getting terrorized. He had people on the lawn waiting for him, trying to get a glimpse of Indrid Andrew was supposedly supposedly coming to visit him at his home. He ended up losing several jobs and he kind of went on the uh, the publicity cirt kind of the opposite of Bob Lasar, which we talked about earlier today, and it was kind of a whole thing. And a few years ago. Do you remember what year this was, Brittany, What was when we went to find Andreid's house? Twenty twenty two? Was it? I believe so? Yeah, so in twenty twenty two Andy Colvin, who wrote Flying Sauce Through the Center of Your Mind. Uh. And he also and he worked quite a bit with I think believe it's Greg Barker's estate and a hint he edited or co wrote. I don't think he actually wrote. He was involved in there somewhere. I know that much. He had been making some pretty out there posts. I don't want to speak ill of the guy, but he had been making some pretty out there posts in the Hellyer Recon Facebook group. Now Britty and I are, you know, pretty big fans of hell You're we liked that kind of got us into the side of high strangeness. He posts and the hell you repay. I know where Richard Cole's house is. It's in this town in West Virginia. Here's a picture. So I think I private messaged him. Then he posted the address or something, right. You commented and said, hey, you know, I'm willing to go tonight. I can check on this on you, because he said, I don't know if it's there, it's been years since i've been there. And Bob was like, we're a few hours out. I will get check tonight. Just give me the address. I messaged you on Facebook and then he just ended up posting. There was some back and forth like yeah, not him necessarily saying like no, I'm not going to give it to you, but he was kind of talking about other things and yes, weird he had said something. He gave it to some other people and they just made fun of him and they caught him a liar, and yeah, there was some weird stuff and he ended up giving us the address in Midway West, Virginia. Yes, thank you, Midway West Virginia. We made the drive and now, Brittany, I want you to kind of explain this because I always mess this part. It was a new driveway and knew how what was it when we actually got there. It wasn't the shed that he sent us sent us the picture of. Yeah, I mean the area it was across from this junk yard place, like it was a house that had a whole bunch of junked cars and scrap metal and stuff like that. And it was the newest house on that on that whole road, and it had brand new paved driveway. I mean there was still seating, like the lawn itself was still being seated for new grass. So I mean it was brand new. We'll give him that it was. But you know, if it's it's one of those things where you know, you could have just drove by it if you were in the area and be like, oh, well, this is a new construction. Yeah, I can say it was bulldoze. So maybe we were too late to see it, maybe it was a different spot, but you never know. Yeah, it was weird, nonetheless, and it's one of those things we would never go out out of our way and say, yep, we definitely stood where injured cold stood, like, you know, that's that's ridiculous. But I will say that that that kind of speaks to what Brittany and I do. We will go out and will chase the weird movie. We inadvertently moved into a firehouse that was the uh, the center, the epicenter realistically of a major UFO event and huge paranormal happening as well in the city where we live, so we kind of chase these things down first hands. Again, we have we have no problem with the you know, lack of that are term here an armchair detective. But for Brittany and I, you add that extra layer when you can say, well, when we were there, this is what we experienced, this is how it felt for us when we were there, And it kind of adds that extra layer to Tales from the Dark that I think other shows don't necessarily have. Well, what was weird about midway? The only other thing I was going to say is, like he had commented, I want to say, at like two or three pm, we were on the road within an hour. I mean it wasn't talk by the time we got there, but it took us like four hours to get there. And I mean we went literally within the hour that he texted or commented and said what the actual address was. I mean we were we were ready. Yeah, we were ready to see some aliens and cold whatever we could see. Yeah. And for those those of you who aren't super familiar with the background of the sixty seven sixty eight Mothman Flap, we wouldn't just go out because someone posted something random on Facebook. This guy had been in touch with the Gray Barker. Gray Barker was a huge instrumental figure in West Virginia. When it came to anything high Straine just Mothman, Him and John Q. Were kind of neck and neck. There was a unspoken rivalry between one another when it came to the writing. He had been in touch with some people who would be in the know if this location actually existed. So it's not like we just like someone posted something random. We did our due diligence ahead of time, and we thought, hey, we're going to get there before somebody else does. We have an opportunity. Let's let's seize the day right now. So I guess I'm confused. Why would this if it's the depictions I've always heard about injured, cold or whatever, Like obviously I watched the Mothman Prophecies movie, which is kind of like a bastardized version of stuff. But why would he have a house if he was supposedly like this being So that's more of there's a lot of layers to that one. Yeah, basically from what I remember, and Bob can correct me if I'm wrong. But so he had a relationship with Woodrow Darren Berger like throughout Woodrow's life, and he had frequented their house. They had talked at some point. Woodrow even alleged that he went to Laniulos itself, which is their home planet. But basically he had a mission if I remember correctly from a Woodrow's book, that required him to spend time on this planet with our species kind of thing. And so he had allegedly had multiple houses that he stayed in. This is also something that they talked about in Hell You're two near the wagon Wheel restaurant and but that was I think Terry Wrists that was involved with. Yeah, Terry Wrist too, so which that then also leads to Alan Greenfield and his book The Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. Yeah, and you have to throw in the Third Order, of course, a Third Order allegedly excommunicated injuried so he was trapped to your own planet Earth. It's a very it's a rabbit hole. It's one of those things. Now that I say it out loud, I realized what people think we're crazy because I just said, you know, the Third Order ex communicated an alien and he's trapped on Earth. I understand how crazy that might sound. I promise you if you go back to the back tape of Tails from the Dark Twenties twenty one twenty two, we went and we have an episode called he was I think was we called it he was called Cold, I believe. So it's I think it's an hour and a half deep dive into the injured story. We go through all the smiling man. Yeah, yeah, the gritty man, smiling man. Some people say that he is like an evil character. We never got that vibe personally from our research. Again, but we weren't there. We haven't. We've not met Injured Cold, of course. But there's a lot of misinformation when it comes to there as well, because, like he just said, the the mothmand movie, I don't know, Wow, it's like the book. I don't understand how that got green lit at all. It had nothing to do with the book. I highly recommend your listeners that they want to get into kind of the deeper fringe of kind of strangeness. The Eighth Power by John Keel and the Mothman Prophecies. The Mothband Prophecies is kind of your it. It's your dessert before your meal. Basically it's hey, here's all the really crazy stuff. This is the really fringe stuff. Here's my entire experience from the when I got to point pleasant was Virginia to when I left, and then the Eighth Tower kind of goes through more historical guideline of going all the way back to you know, the prophets in the Bible, to them seeing strange, strange sights in the sky, the idea that there's you know, the great phonograph in the sky. All of these things kind of come from Keel's early works in the sixties. Now I'm a huge John Keel fan. All the tales and the dark Listeners are going to come and take a shot because that's a whole underlying joke here. But there's a lot of layers to it that unfortunately get kind of lost in translation with people to say, you know, the Grinning Man, this evil entity injured Cold, where when you dive into the actual stories, there's at least none that I personally found. People who are allegedly in direct contact never had a negative, you know, interaction with this guy. Really, the only person that's've ever really seen him was was Woodroga and his daughter to his daughter, Tanya, his wife. I believe he had other children as well. Wood believe had a brother, but she she doesn't talk at least from what I know, she didn't talk about him very much. Tanya also came out with a book about her experience with Woodrow as her father and with Indured Cold and his family. Yeah, it's I remember the title, but it's something fifty plus years with Injured Cold. I think it is the name of her books. She unfortunately passed away a few years ago. She was just last year. Yeah, she became a friend of the show, and unfortunately we could never get our schedules to align to have her on the podcast. It's one regretta always you know, always have unfortunately. But yeah, their entire family had had contact. There were some other investigators who had claimed that they had had letters to and from You can do the International Banker's aspect that mentioned Injured Cold as well. The International Bankers were this group that would send letters to John Keel saying hey, now these letters would be interesting because they would be postmarked from all over the world, sometimes no postmark at all, saying hey, you're gonna stand by New York, New York. Yeah, China everywhere, and it would say you're gonna stop what you're doing. You're gonna stop what you're doing right now, or you're gonna reap what you so the consequences are gonna be terrible. They would threaten them consistently to basically stop looking into these frings, you know, stop speaking about them. Yeah, basically it's not his place, uh to speak on eupology. And it was a very interesting concept when they start to bring up injured cold as well, because from what I understand, the international makers had referenced some personal conversation between Woodrow and John Keel after Woodrow had passed. So it's a very weird construct when you kind of start peeling back those layers of just the Mothman, which unfortunately most people just think was the only phenomenon happening in West Virginia in that time. I mean, the amount of folks who still think that it was started with the scarberries and the mallets, where that's where most people get the story wrong in the beginning, and then you get in the chief Cornstock, and the whole story has so many different layers that just involve, you know, one small sub section of the country point pleasant. I don't know if you've ever been. It's a very small town. I mean it's it's what ten minutes and you can drive through the entire town if that Yeah, just a little rivertown, Yeah, but it's it's I'm very passionate about that. We've been there, you know, more times than I can count. I've I've napped out in the dome, so we spent the night out there. It's a very interesting place to go and a very important part of High Strangeness history in my opinion. Mm hmm. I was supposed to have an actual, pretty much in depth interview with someone that's done a lot of research into the whole Mothman phenomenon. But every time we'd have something scheduled is something happened on his end and we can never get it worked out. And at some pointing to reach out to him again, so I hav him back on here was it? Was it Steve Ward? No, this is a guy that I actually know personally. He's he does all of the artwork for I think he's actually worked with the people familiar to but he his name's Easton Hawk. He I've got a poster up behind me right now. He did the Kentucky Goblins, so I have that up on my wall. I need to get the rest of his art work. He does a lot of crypto to artworks, but he h him and I I've known him from band stuff, so that's that connection again. A lot of my connections that I have with people around here are all from for and from playing music for twenty years. But he is a very awesome artist, So I highly recommend anyone out there to look him up. He'll be impressed by his cryptod artwork. No, absolutely the reason I bring up Steve Ward Steve is a John Keel fanatic. I think he also. He lives in Point Pleasant, works at the Moth Band Museum. We had him on the show a few about a year ago. I believe at this point Steve's good people. But that guy puts me in a shame of my John Keele knowledge, and I seem to think that I'm pretty well rounded when it comes to Keel until I met Steve Ward. I gotta get you guys together. I think your listeners would really appreciate his aspect on the UFO. You know, high strangeness flap that that plagued Point Pleasant. Yeah, I'd love to have him on wanting to men get into the Mothman. It's always been something that's fascinated me, just because I'm more familiar with Obviously, when the movie came out, I was like a senior in high school, and I liked the movie, and I didn't know much about it beforehand, so I kind of looked into it afterwards. And all I've ever read is the movies a bunch of horseshit compared to what actually happened, Like, it's like nothing. It took so many things and threw it in this movie just to throw it in there, and it has nothing to really do it like all the other phenomena that was going on. It was just kind of all lumped together and throw it into like modern times. Well. Well, the issue with the movie, we have seen the movie too a couple times now at this point, is that the way John Keel wrote Mothman Prophecies, it was brilliant. I love reading it, I love listening to it on audiobook, but it's not necessarily like like a Harry Potter book that you could just read and make a script from. There's a lack of formal structure. Yeah, yeah, so it's not like A to B. You have your climactually have your conclusion, you have your protagonist. I mean it's all over the place because it's he's discussing so many different types of phenomenon with different types of people, different experiences. Everyone has his own opinions, his own experiences that he's having. It's a whole hooj POSJH. So that's why the movie. I was surprised they even made a movie out of it in the first place. Yeah, that was crazy to me. Is when we watch it, I'm just like, okay, now, then injured Cold calls John Keel or I don't think they didn't name hi John Keelee movie. It's John something or another in the movie, but they like call injured Cold calls John, and it's like, well, that never happened, nothing like this ever happened before. You're missing the entire into the world aspect that John Keele thought he was going through during the movie when he's in Manhattan. There's a whole thing there that just it's it's fun for Hollywood. I guess if I had no knowledge of the Mothman, I probably would have thought this is pretty cool. But I think we kind of spoiled it by having a pretty in depth knowledge of what actually happened beforehand. Yeah, yeah, it's I enjoyed the movie for what it was, but like I said, I don't know the whole history of the moth Man and everything else about it. Like I've only known stuff that I've read here and there, and I'm never I'm not one that does a lot of deep diving into things. Not I have on certain things because from what I talk about in your Guys' episode, there's a specific cryptid. It's always piqued my interest ever since I've had an experience when it comes to upright walking canines, I look a lot into that stuff, but as far as other things, I've never really took deep dived into it other than stuff I've read here and there. So I guess you know. When it comes to the upright walking canine, this is something that I've been thinking about since our interview earlier. You have such an amalgamation of different cryptids that came into one with that. It has been bothering me because I know for a fact I had I don't, and what's bothering me. I don't know if I saw it. The No Sleep sub Reddit, but someone else had a very similar encounter, but they actually hit the creature with their truck and the thing kind of got up and looked at him like, are you are you fucking serious? Was it one of the ones that we talked about on United Strangeress of America. It was that, or someone one of our lettres sent it in bro it. I wasn't the Beast of bray Road. I can't remember for the likely what it was, but somebody hit a creature like this, and what they described is when it walked away, it went down into a little gully and changed into a smaller dog and then ran away. And that's that has been except for the life of me, I've been trying to figure out where I read or someone told me this story. When I get figured out, I'll send it to you because it sounds so familiar to what you had encountered. And in this story, when he hit it, he said that it looked like they got the dogs. Was almost like a vulture or it was kind of tucked down into its chest and he didn't even realized it had a head when he hit it. In his mind he had hit it and its head fell off, and he said well, it doesn't make any sense. But he's like, I was also kind of like peaking out when it happened. So it's one of those things that from the point you told me that story earlier up until now, I've been racking my brain and I'm sure i'll figure it out like three o'clock in the morning and next to you, but maybe that'll jar you know, one of your listener's memory for what that story was. But I know I've heard it before, and I'm almost positive we've covered it on our show at some point. We've i think we're on like ten episodes of our listener stories and we do, you know, thirty to forty stories per episode, so they all kind of like blend together after a while. Yeah, I've honestly never heard anything similar to my ordeal I have in the sense like people see things walking out in front of them, this and that. But all the random stuff that happened during mine, it doesn't make any sense. And like I said, that's not to go off on my own stuff here on this episode, but like that is the one thing that's always drove me to do what I'm doing, is because I would love to know what the hell happened. I would love to know what it was, and then I might have some closure, But the fact is, I don't think I'm ever going to and I it bothers me in the sense that I'm the type of person that has to know. I can't just leave things in the back of my mind be like, oh, that's what it was, because it literally eats at you. So it's like that curiosity you said you saw the door open. It's that one thing that just doesn't go away. You have to know more. So here here we are, Like I said, mine was seventeen years ago, hauled many years gooziers. Oh, it's fifteen years ago at this point, probably no longer than that, almost twenty years ago at this point. Yeah. No, So for anyone listening, when you have a weird experience, it does kind of stick with you. But we are getting close to about that hour and a half mark, so I don't know if there's much more for this episode you guys want to talk about or are you good with us? One? I want to let everyone know where they can find your podcast out, where they can check you guys out at no. Yeah, we want to do this against we have a million stories and We're always traveling doing something cool. So I'm sure by next time we talk to you, well, yeah, another hour and a half, two hours to go. So Tails from Dark you can find it on every major podcast platform, Spotify, Apple, Speaker, iHeartRadio, you name it, we'll probably own it. Where else are we, Brittany you two Tails from the Dark dot net. We have Tales from the Dark true Crime. We have Phantom Farm on Amazon Prime Video. I think that's it. Yeah. Oh, the Missing Chapter over on YouTube as well. That's our my kind of true crime spin off show than like Brittany just mentioned, she does the Tales from the Dark true Crime. Season one is up. I think season two is in the works right now. Season one is amazing. You guys get a chance to check out Tells some Dark true Crime over on spot five. Great place to go. Whatever links you have, and you sent me a link tree earlier. I'll include that in the show notes for anyone listening so they can click that and find you guys. Awesome. We definitely appreciate the time, man, Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you, Yeah, not a problem. Appreciate you guys. Come on here and talk with me. Absolutely, we'll definitely do it again here soon. But for everyone listening, thanks for listening, and good night, and that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Goodnight everyone, seaside sounds in the headsib Yeah, it's time to rock. Got a story about a cryptic creature. Let's take a walk, big Foot talk. Then they're out there in the dark, But the truth is out there liking me. It's bark ufo sightings. Got the whole world show conspiracies and folds like a story in the book me control trying to keep us by. We're all gonna use the whole mind in history. They don't want us to know the secrets they hide since they want show, so they don't society. They keep us in chase. When sending Tom, it's time to break the reins. MS control trying to keep us fine. But I'm alone before I'm gonna use my mind in history. It wants to know the secrets to hide since they will show. No. They no society. 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