Ep. 117: Not So Perfect Bigfoot

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. And Welcome back to ten Foil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. B Night's episode. We're going to be joined by my guest, Victoria. Victoria used to be a police officer. Victoria also recently started her own YouTube channel, The Not So Perfect Bigfoot Show. 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That is one of the best ways of reaching out to me to be on the show. That is another option to reach out and get somebody scheduled. I think now we're gonna ahead and bring Victoria on. You're chatted back and forth for a while, so I'm definitely looking forward to talking with her. I hope you guys enjoy our conversation and also make sure to check out her show on the YouTube channel. For more information about that, you can check out the show notes. We're gonna go ahead and dive on in now. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Victoria. Thank you for coming on here and talking to me tonight. Well, thank you, thank you for having me. Brandon. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? Well, sure, I have a little YouTube podcast that Before we get into that, I just you know, I'm not used to doing there do one be in the interviewed by I was born and raised in North Carolina. I call it God's Country. I am a swamp girl through and through. I love to swamp. I love the black plastic water, I love, you know, eating the blackberries off the bush. And it's just where I go and I have my time with my faith, and it's just a part of North Carolina that I think I was blessed to be born with. And you know, on North Carolina, we have the coast, we have the swampy areas, we have the Piedmont, we have the mountains, and you can get there all in one day. It's a beautiful place to live. Where I was raised up, we were raised in a area where you literally had to know, someone to have property there. It was surrounded by protected wildlife areas or either the land was owned by a paper company where they you know, we'd grow the trees and managed to land, and we got lucky enough to get a house in the area. And when I say we were in the middle of where you would probably have to drive a good thirty thirty five minutes those street lights down a secondary road, and the road we lived on you might see two cars per day to come down the road. And we lived probably a half miles from the river. But in our backyard, they had a pond in the backyard. We could go fishing anytime we wanted to. We weren't doing that although we didn't have to. Our parents would send us out back in the day to you know, to help put in tobacco because they wanted us to learn, you know, a work, you know, to have a good work ethic, and so we would do that. And when we weren't doing that, you know, we would be playing in the fields and that you know, we had gardens that could feed the whole community. And I think our closest neighbor was maybe a football field away, and it was just paradise growing up and it was a little place that we called her Burn Islands and it's I'm fifty two now and it has changed very little. Then we went to live in the city Lumberton, North Carolina, and when I was twenty one, I become a law enforcement officer and I served at a law enforcement for seventeen years. My specialty was canain's. I handled both explosive detection canins and narcotic canons. I was on a federal task force for a while. I was not a federal officer. I was just assigned to the atthe did that for a little while. I was an arson detect, the property crowns detect, you name it, I've probably on it. In two thousand and seven, my career ended. I was in medical retirement for eight years. I didn't come when I was able to get back to work, and I knew that I could go out and function on a job and not re injure myself. The only job I could get my foot back in the door was to do an animal patrol officer, and we eventually went to animal protection. I did that for seven years and then I transferred over to another local government job that I currently work at now. I am go ahead. I'll say there was a lot to it. Seems like I've been in messing around into with your life. I don't mean that in like a negative thing or whatever, but like you said, with growing up in the swamps and everything else, I was over here just thinking, like, man, I missed out on that type of stuff growing up. So yeah, we were pretty lucky. We had some really good neighbors. And you know, I don't live in the area anymore, but you know, I got to tell you, you know, when Hurricane Matthew come through, these are the kind of people that lived there still to this day, when Hurricane Matthew come through the county. I live in or lived in Robison County. It was one of the hardest hit counties on the East Coast. We actually had fatalities there. And the people in the area of the Burn Islands, they would literally go out under kayaks and make sure the elderly's got their food. And they still watched over their you know, neighbors, and every day they would go out getting all their kayaks or their boats and they would go to highland where the food was and they would bring people back in the food back to the community. And that was how I was raised. Those are the kind of people that I was raised around. And you know when the funny thing about was swamps, and I guess when we started to get into the crypt. It's a little bit. I'll tell you about a little incident that happened in the area. When I went to lawforcement, I tried to pull some strings to see if I could find a file on this, and I didn't really get anywhere with it. But where we lived at and you literally could have walked off your back porch, and I mean you looked up, you just seen the whole universe to start. There was no no lights. There, no street lights, so nothing. It was dark enough where you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. And I was telling someone ll or not on a on my show, you could hear the bull frogs and the crickets and just just the whole area would come to life. And but we had some pretty wicked things happened there. There was a family, mother and read children that they found out forward from our house. One of my friends were skipping school and he found a lady's purse out there, and he debated, He was like, well, I probably need to turn it in. It's the right thing to do. I'm gonna get in trouble for skipping school, but you know, he did the right thing. He turned it in. And they ended up finding her and three children on a door road really close to our house, deceased with some head trauma. And they said it was equivalent to somebody picking them up and slinging them against a tree. And I, you know, looking back now, knowing what I know, and interviewing some of the people that I interview, and they took about their dog was getting smashed against a tree by you know, sasquash of big Foot, and they're like jelly, you know. As an adult, now I look back and I wonder if it was related? Can I say it was? But now you get older and you start to wonder it, you know, was there something there to it? Because you know, not from four or from where I was raised, is where the Beast of Bladenboro happened. And actually it's probably maybe two or three minutes car drive across the county line where all of that happened. I don't know if you heard about the Beast of bladenbir No, I'm not familiar with that. They still have a festival every year where a some people said it was canine like, some people said it was catlike. The newspaper articles if you go back, will say it was catlike. But this very large creature was literally ripping people's dogs off a chains and just tearing them apart, and it just tearized community community. It was killing livestock. There was a couple of eye witnesses that seen it and they had it sketched out and it was like the cross between a large cat and a large dog. And as a result, doing what country people do, they got their guns and their dogs and they went in the woods. That literally killed every bobcat, almost wiped them out in the area. And that was it was true occurrence. You could still find articles on it on the beast of bladon Borough and that was right down the road from where I grew up at And yeah, you're right, and it was a beautiful place. It was a beautiful place to grow up. And one of the things I remember, you know, living on the river and everything, we still had the uh I guess you would call them okor shacks that were on the river. You could go to the bootlegger and you know, get your booze and you know, play some poker or whatever you wanted to do. We still had those up and down the river, and I mean it it was like stepping back even as a child, you know, in the seventies and eighties, it was like you were still stepping back in time. It was just like the people preserved the area in a time that was not contaminated by the hustle and bustle of every day life. And it's every time I go through there, I get excited, but I get sad because you cannot buy land there now. And it is a It's a beautiful place, it really is. We actually just came up through North Carolina back in January, and right before you get into Tennessee, I forget what highway we were. We were driving through the mountains and my wife I didn't notice. I saw something on the edge of the road dead, but I didn't know what it was. And she's like, did you see that? It was a large black panther. I was like, no, It's like I saw something black lane dead on the side of the road, but I couldn't tell what it was. I'm going like eighty miles an hour trying to not crashes in the mountains or whatever. And this was in broad daylight. She said there was a big dead cat on the side of the road. It looked like a big black panther to her. I wish there was a turnaround spot because I would have turned around, circled back and picked it up to it on top of the roof of the van. So I had proof because apparently, talking to other people, there's no such thing as black panthers in North Carolina. I was like, oh. I was like, well, I uh, we googled that and there they claimed there's no such thing there. Well, I'm gonna tell you that this Brandon, you can go till the cows come home, but the people in the area and the more than Google ever will And when I worked as a animal protection officer, I don't like to do your animal control officer because we did switch over way routinely would get reports from the Lending area, London, North Carolina area, and that they're like, we are looking at a panther sitting in our backyard and they would call now one, one and back then and this will come into play later. We round with maybe six officers during the day and we would drop down to one at night and the night officer. Even though we would say, hey, it's wildlife, leave it along getting you know, it'll go by this business that we would routinely get the calls from that area and they would say, we are not crazy. We know what we are looking at. I've been living here all in my life. I am looking at a black panther. Come and get it out of my yard. And I would say, negative, that is their habitat, even though it is your yard. Let's get your small animals in. It will move on. And I worked there for five years, and throughout the whole five years we got calls on the black panthers. I met one lady. She's seen it during the daytime. She was going into a curve and honestly, it was really weird because it sounded more like a wampus cat, but that you know, I didn't know about Wumpu's cat back then that she was describing. But she was going in to a curve on Maxwell Road, Curlin County, North Carolina, and she said when she looked at it was come into the curb. She looked at it, she thought it was some type of large, really large black dog, and she got closer and closer, and it turned around and looked at her, she said, and it was a cat. And she said, it was so beautiful and so slick and so big. And it got up and just walked across the ditch and went into the woods. She said. The weird thing was the end of its tail was almost like a ball. It had a ball on the end of the tail. So, you know, I went out there. There's nothing I could do, but she took me to the spot, you know, if it made her feel better talking about it. And I went out there, you know, metwater showed me the area, she actually marked it for me. A year later, ran into the same lady her story. She recognized me, her story never changed, and she still had that excited, surprised, an overwhelmed look on her face as she told me the story again. So, I mean, you know, Google says one thing, the people of the area to say something else. Yeah, I think when it comes to things on the Internet, you're never going to get accurate readings on there. But I'd even told my wife that when we're looking at like, that's not going to say there's any around there, like, because even there's been reports of black panthers and large like jaguarars or other things throughout Florida, Georgia. And they also they're not here. I mean people are seeing something you can't really mistake a large cat like, so they're seeing something. Well, imagine being rid Oficuledrover telling someone you saw a mountain one or you know, a panther. Okay, take that a step higher, matgic telling them you saw a bigfoot or a dog man. There's a no win situation there. No, I fully understand and agree to that. That is literally why I do the show, because I want to give people an opportunity to come on here and talk about stuff like that, because you can't really bring it up in society with all people thinking you're some kind of a wacko. Exactly. And I'll tell you when I turned twenty one, eighteen days after I found twenty one, I got sworn in as a law enforcement officer, and I started my career working in a smaller agency. And that smaller agency, oh man, that was a mean little town. You think of town of three thousand people, you just have a pie job negative ghost writer. That was the look that little town was just back then. You know it was their job to get away, your job to arrest them. And you know, you weren't personal if they punched you into burger pup box or you just scuffed in the melon, but it was nothing personal. If they got away, they won. If you got them in cuffs, they won. You know, on the way to jail, you had some of the best conversations you ever had. Now. That was the way it was back then. And I was remember I was out there running radar. I was in the outskirts of town, and I was at the UH. We had a mild jurisdiction, and I couldn't tell you what time it was. It was kind of you know, late at night, and this carl went zooming by me, and you know, and so I was going to pull this car over. And I don't really big on writing tickets, you know, because you know, I lived in a poor community. It's just a poor county, poor community. And sometimes, you know, writing some on a ticket means they're not going to put dinner on the table. So basically, if I could talk to someone and I generally felt like, you know, that wasn't a habit, I didn't write them. So I was out there just running radartists. Caral went whizzing by me, and I was like, oh, got one. So I'm ia come up on the car and pulled over side of the road. And like I said, no street lamps in this area. Nothing on one side of me was like a pine forest with a little dip in the ditch. The other side of it was a two line black top. The other side of me was a cornfield. And I get out of the car and as I'm walking up to this car, there is a pine tree to the right of us. And this was way back in the day. And like I said, this was a poor little town. So this was probably ninety four ninety five tells you how old I am. My car still had the bubble light on that kind of like Barny five Andy Griffin, and this bubble light. When I would pull a car over, I would have to punch the roost of my car to get the light working. And I mean, that's that bad our equipment was. So when I got out, we just had that little bubble blight going. It was going just so slow, like it was just wanted to just to die out. And as I'm walking up with this car, I will never forget it to the ride of me where the pine trees was. Something was coming down the tree, not going up the tree, but coming down the tree, and it was breaking off healthy limbs as it was coming down. Did it have been a bear, I don't know, but I remember walking up to that car and the window was like a They had it down like an inch, and I remember looking at the driver. Can't remember if it was a male or female. I want to say it was a male, and I just remember saying, go, go, go, because what everyone was coming down that tree was dig enough to break strong, healthy limbs of a pine tree. And that car spun off and left me, and I remember thinking, shit, he left me. So I backed up to my car. My knees were shaking so bad, and these limbs were still hitting the ground thump bump. Thought you could hear them crack and break, and I'm just like, oh my God, just letting me get in the car. And I remember getting back in my car and my legs were shaking so bad. I didn't know if I could accelerate, but anyway, I took off, went down the road, turned around, came back and it was just totally quiet, and I remember looking this time the opposite side of the road was on my right side, so be out my passenger window, and I remember looking up in the sky and there was this huge craft in the sky and it must have been the size of a football field, and I had the three red triangular lights and it was making no noise, no nothing that was just like it was just quiet, and I was just remember looking up at it, like, who's gonna believe me on this? You know? So I don't know what was in the tree. I know that I said, I gotta go. I'm not gonna stick around and see if this thing sucks me up and takes me to never Never Land. I get in my car and I go in town, and the whole night I'm just like, this is twice, this is happening to me all night shift where I have to set there and had to just oh, I mean, I'm just trying to process it. So anyway, life goes on, and I think it was like a year ago. I was talking about this on a Facebook group and this gentleman told me, he says, I think what you saw was a military craft that they can actually land planes in, and so I described it to him. He said, yeah, I think that's what it was. So I'm the a person. If you showed me that it's not a UFO, that it's not something you know from another place, a dimension or whatever, I'm good. Show me the truth and if you're right, you're right. So when he explained it to me and broke it down to me, I says, well, okay, maybe it was, but what was across the street bricking the healthy limbs? I don't know. I mean years went on and I never had that answer to that. So that was, you know, probably the first incident that happened to me. You said that was in ninety four ninety. Five is in that area because I was still a rookie, you know, still a rookie, and that would be Robinson County, North Carolina. I don't know anything that would be large enough, you said, bears. But the only bear you would have down there. And be black bear, right, yeah, black bear. I don't know if they'd be large enough to be running through and snapping off pine tree branches, big pine tree branches. Well, whatever room was, it was, you know to me black bears. And I did deal with a little of them in animal control. It kept to spook them out of you know, some people's yards or whatever, basically for the safety of the bear from people. But I would think a black bear would go up the tree away from people, especially a strange blue light, no matter how crappy it was, and you know, the sounds of radios, I would think it would go up the tree. But whatever this was, it was coming down the tree. And when it was coming down the tree, it was coming down with force that was just breaking these limbs off if they were healthy louns, you know the difference. And just to this day, I still don't know. I still don't line. Yeah, that was that was like my first introduction to I'm not outfit. Yeah, I'm not half a dog on this planet, you know. Mm hmm. There's I don't want to quote someone else's podcast, but there's definitely, uh something out there in the woods that I don't think people are one hundred percent aware of. I don't I'm not going to say that it's bigfoot dog man or anything like that, but people see something. There's definitely something, And I don't know if I'd ever want to run into another one. I've said it before one way or the other, that I'd like to see it again. But I think a situation would be uh, I need an escape route. Have I ever had to see something like that again, I'd want to make sure that I was safe enough because I don't necessarily know if things are going to attack you or not. But it's hard to know what things are when you're in the woods, because I think the woods have a way of playing tricks on people like you hear things. You hear tree snaw being in the echoes and everything else. So there's always different things that can go about it. But for some reason, I feel like when you listen to people who have had experiences, you kind of have an idea of what it is now back in then, Like back then, what did you think you said, bear or whatever. Were you familiar enough to where you would think it would be maybe a big footback then? Or were you just concerned what it could have been? BIXA didn't even enter my mind. And going back to the woods, you know, the woods had have the home advantage as they're playing field, so they're going to get you. Know, they're going to get you every time. So yes, you're right, it does play tricks on you. But you know, I I weren't even thinking because you know, when I was a kid, I always thought that, you know, the beast blading was just a festival you went to, and so that even enter my mind, I did not know what it was. And I thought maybe when I seen the thing in the sky that whatever that warge, I mean, it was the size of a football field. It made no sound. Had I not looked up in the sky, I would have never seen it. It was that quiet. I was like, are the two related or Because to me, once again, if there was a bear or something and that things in the sky where you go up the tree to get away from it, I had no answers. I had no answers. But you know, life goes on, and what you don't understand you put in the back of your mind. And that's one thing your mind will do if you don't understand something, if you don't if there's no category for your mind, will fold it up to the inn a file and it to put it somewhere until you're ready to remember and figure it out. And at that time, you know, we had so much going on in that little town. That was the type of town where when you come off nightshift in the morning, you kissed the door because you made it home, you know, and and your mind dis goes elsewhere and you're trying to learn, you're trying to survive, you're trying to help people, and so my mind just put it in a place until I was ready to try to figure it out. And I never figured it out. It's hard to judge things based off sounds, but sometimes you can tell when things are bigger. I said, like I mentioned, have a way of plain tricks, but like the tree snapping, to me, it has to be something big enough to snap a tree that's not something small. Where I come from, we call that a BM a F, a beatm F. And I'll just leave it right in there, a big yeah yeah. And so whatever was it had so wait to it and you know, and I don't know. I mean, it could have been a bear, I don't know, but having right across the street, I don't even know if it was there when I was initiating the traffic stop, I don't know, you know, I just you know, you get out your car and you're you're looking at the car, You're looking for a movement, you're looking for the door cracking open. The last thing I'm looking at in the sky across the street, so I don't know if it was there when I originally was there. So I mean, that was just a crazy night. But like I said, you know, life goes on and you just put it to the side, and you know, you have other things that are more of a priority in your life to work through. And that's pretty much where that went my career. I then left there after five years of service and I went to a larger agency where you know, we just covered the city. And you know, I was a country girl. I weren't like, there's the town I grew up in, and then there was the city that I went to work in, and it was like I was like a fish out of water. It was crazy. And I'm getting used to working in the big city and what comes with a big city and this, you know, just the culture is different. And I did that until I was injured in two thousand and seven, when and we talked about this, and I'm really hesitant to talk about it in the same show because we were talking earlier about when people tell their stories, people were like, well, man, everything happened to her. No, I mean, I'm picky two years old. This is happening, you know over my lifespan. What ended my career is I was a supervisor on duty and we got a hot call. I was trying to beat my guys there because I wanted to access the situation, needed to know how many men we needed on sing. The last time we were there, we literally had to call highway patrol. The small towns in the area. It was just chaos and it was crazy. So I had that in mind. When the call come out the location, and you know, in law enforcement, you know, you go high steeds, you learn how to, you know, drive defensively but safely. You need to get to where you're going because someone is depending on you. And when that call come out, I remembered the area and I wanted to get there, and I really we hate to say that, but you know, I'm gonna just put it out there. We had a lieutenant that she did not know. She liked to play Monday morning quarterback behind her desk, making these calls that she should be making for my guys on the road, and she had the history of putting them in some bad situations, and my mind was focused on I need to get there and make the shots before she comes over to radio and says something stupid to get someone hurt. And I don't mean any disrespect to her if she ever hears this, but you probably shouldn't have been in law enforcement now because you need some really pissed for decisions on my people or our people. We were a team. So I'm going down this road blue light Surrey. I'm only going ninety ninety miles per hour is not fast and law enforcement we've hit speeds up to one twenty where I mean, we've had the needles hanging trying to you know, get the other officers get to someone, you know, that needed our help. And I'm coming up on these two cars and they had their blinkers on what they were going to merge for me, and the closer I get to them, I realized they're not going to merge, so I went to go around them. And when I went to go around them, my left tires hit the gravel. And before I go further this area I was going into the last time we went there. The last thing you want to do as an officer is get trapped in your car, get pulled up on this thing where you know there's going to be some kind of aggression towards you. Now I have your seat belt on. So I had, out of just adrenaline, I popped my seat belt on because I said, you know, when I pull up and I get out of this car, we're just going to be I don't know, a nice web of saying the other. Then you know, we're going to kick some ass and take some names. Because the people in this area were from the outside coming in and they were terrorizing the street. There was one house on this street. Everybody else was elderly, and they were scared to death of this one house. And I promised them the last time, My whole platoon promised them. If they ever come back and they're they're raising cane at this house, we're going to cuff and stuff and we're gonna give you your street back, because you don't have to live in fear. And you've got to think these were older people. They've lived their life. They cannot defend themselves against these people. And we're talking about you know, shots fire, shooting in the houses or whatever. So I had popped my seat belt on because I was not getting trapped in my car, and if I had to, I was just going to get out swinging. And that was just a type of I mean, it makes me sound like a bad person, but that was just the type of area where we're going into. So I had popped my seat belt off, which should have never done it, because when my car shit that gravel, it sling shotted me across the road and I flipped head over tails five times and I was thrown about thirty forty feet out of my car. And the last thing I remember is looking up and seeing my car actually go over me and we're on me, but it went over me. And I remember when I knew I was going to wreck. I knew I was going to die. And there's that split second moment in your mind where I just let go of the steering wheel and I says, you know, God, I give this to you. I give it to you. And I was perfectly okay with dieing. I had no fear. I just gave it to him. Now it was his will. And I do believe in God. Pray to them every night, and you know I am a god person, and you know I love me some Jesus. But at that point in my life, i'd been doing long Enforce not for seventeen years, about a year before this happened. You know, We'd be talking in the break room or whatever, and I would tell them, you know, I'm not going to live. See you know, thirty five, thirty six, I'm not going to live, I said, you know, I was angry. I was angry because everything I dealt with were people at the worst times of their life, and their anger would be directed toward you. And then you would see what people would do to each other out of love. I mean to say you love someone and then do put them up with an axe, okay, to what people did to small children that anger. After a while, you take that energy in and I became one of those angry people, and you really didn't see it on the job. But you know, I had been angry for so long. I thought anger was a normal emotion, and so I had no problem with dying, and I knew I was going to die. I just there was that I don't know how to explain it, Brandon. There was that moment where I just let go. I said, I give it to you God. And the next thing I remember I was I saw my car go over me, and basically the coral was airborne and the coral went this way, and I was just sucked out of the window, like you know, a vacuum, just sucking me out. And then I remember, I don't know how much time had passed, but I remember waking up. I was in the cottony fields where I wrecked up. I remember waking up. There was this gentleman praying over me. And he was praying over me so intense intensely that you know. I was raised with five Pentecostal preachers of my family. And I don't know if you ever went to a Pentecostal church, but I mean, I mean they'd be throwing down. Look, they'd be throwing down, they be jumping up shoes there. We I love that kind of preaching, no matter of fact. When I was eighteen, I took my fiance to church with me, and he'd never been to a Pentecostal church. And let me tell you something, that man was so scared, he said, and never heard, you know, people talking in songs or what the whatever your belief is. But it was a very when I heard the man preaching over me in the field. It took me back to my childhood and sitting in the church and listening to my uncle preach, and just just the the energy and just the passion, you know, of just preaching the word of God. And I'll remember looking up and the sun. This was in August. The sun was directly behind him, so all he was was a black silhouette with like the rays of the sun around his head, you know, And and then I went, I guess back out. What I remember after that is the paramedics came and they were I was coding, apparently, but I remember looking down and I could see them working on me, and my you know, my body was just it was mangled. I my my femur snapped in two. I broke thirty two bones in that wreck. My femur snapped into just like my leg was just all deformed. Everything on the left side of my body, my my pelvi was split open. It I broke every region on my back, my neck straight down. My neck should have killed me. First miracle, well second miracle, because you know, I remember looking down at it working on me. I saw my corporal over there saw these that I actually took his place on the road or as a supervisor when he went to the detective division. And I saw the paramedic, says the female paramedic. She you know, she was shaking because we were all tight, you know, you're you're like a big family. And I remember looking down over their shoulders. I'm thinking, damn, that's kind of her. And then I realized it was me, and then at it was at that moment, it's just it's like I just went back into myself and I started feeling the pain, and you know, and they anyway, they get me to the hospital, and long story short, you know, you know, all the law enforcement, all the officers and women be there. They already called my dad and they called my family, and you know, they're like, you got to get down here. She's probably not going to make it. And you know, then you ended up calling wife like to the hospital and they incubated me and just you know, took me out the life like the Duke Medical Center in North Carolina and my sisters and and this is as just important important as the journey I want and on my sisters, and my mom was there, my dad was coming in for the from the beach, and she said when they went to roll me out the life light, all of these officers, she said, when they walked outside, all they could see blue lights for as far as you could see, there's officers outside there vehicles with blue lights on, standing outside of their vehicles waiting for life flight to take off with me, And she said it just touched her so much. But I really think that energy and the lofer for my fellow officers. You don't find that anymore in law enforcement. And now I could be wrong, it may still be there. But it was a time in law enforcement where you had good officers and a good brother and sisterhood, and you know you were doing it for the right reasons and you had to go out there and just that atmosph Fere and what you stood for back then was really doubt. What they did for me was just an example of who we were then. So in the field is where I actually had my near death experience. But when you want to go back and you want to talk about the anger I had, that kind of comes into play. When I get to do medical center. They put me in and induced Colman because every time I would move, I would clip breathing. And I got to tell you about my dad. My daddy was my John Wayne. Okay, I was not his biological child. I was born from an affair, but he loved me. He gave me his name and it was my John Wayne, I did you live the Oceanele Beach And he drove from oceanew Beach to Duke Medical Center every day for four months. He had congested part failure. It was diabetic bad vision and he had gout and every day he took that trip to go sit with me for a few hours. When they when I got to do they put me in an induced coma because there was literally at that point nothing they can do for me. They were telling my family to prepare for my death. The Sheriff's office had honor guard out. They were, you know, going through the routine and practicing, you know, for the funeral, and they're starting the process of getting everybody ready for when they got the call. And while this was going on in my mind, I'm getting up in my mind every day and going to work because law enforcement was what I was good and I was in so I'm only good at law enforcement. I loved people, I loved helping people, I loved my coworkers, and it was the one thing in my life I was good at. And so it's kind of like Queen of England, Queen Elizabeth when she said I am married to England, where I was married to my child, and that was everything I was as a person. It's what I knew to do. I've been doing it since I was twenty one, and I just some people are lucky enough to be born and are able to do with what they were destined to do, and that's what I was destined to do. And I was very lucky with that. And the whole time I was in the induced CALLMA, I was getting up in my mind every day and I was going to work when they would put the foods on my legs keeping from getting blood clots. In my mind, they were putting boots on me, getting me ready for mounting patrol. So everything they did to me. When you go in and you talk to someone that's in a call and talk to them because they are, they aren't aware in their own way what's going on. So I got to a point where I was I woke up in my mind, I woke up, was getting ready for work, and this flood happened and I started drowning. But what I was really doing, I was drowning because IM florided in my lungs and I'd went into kidney failure and everything else. But in my mind, I related all of that suffering to law enforcement. So I got to a point where I woke up in my mind and I was at work. We did search more and I was in this basement, and in this basement it was dark and cold, and I could hear the SRT walking around there. They were saying, where's BArch, Where's BArch? And that was my married name back you know, I was worse then, but that was my married name. And they were walking around the perimeter of the house calling out for me while I was in this basement. And you know SRT is Special Response Team, and you know, you go in with everybody, you leave in with everybody, and they were taking you know, I was missing officer that couldn't find me, or like where's Bart's And I was trying to say I'm right here, but I couldn't because here's where the anger comes in. I was in that basement and the one thing that scared me more in life at the time than anything or snakes. And as I was sitting in that basement waiting for my team to come in and get me to find me, snakes were falling off the rafters onto my shoulders and my head in my lap and all over the flower around me, and I could just fill the just the bug that I mean. They were just falling on me, and I was so scared. And I sat there, and you know in the old houses were to set, the cellars were underneath the houses. Well, the door to the cellar is usually in the floor in the older houses. So I'm sitting there and I'm scared of death. These snakes are falling off the rafters and I'm just the one thing I was afraid of. It's like I was being used to teach me a lesson. Well, then the cellar door opens and this beautiful golden light comes through the door in the floor, and you could see the stairs going up to I guess it would have been the kitchen, but where the kitchen was at was where this light was coming down. And I remember in my mind thinking, if you could just get to those stairs and get in that light, you're gonna be okay. But I was so afraid because I could still feel the weight of those snakes just falling on me. And they just kept falling and falling, and I heard a voice behind them, and it was authorit of but loving, kind of like what my dad would say to me, and it said have faith and believe, and you shall not be harmed. And I could still feel the snakes falling on me and I couldn't move. And after a few minutes I heard it again, and this time it had more authority, but it was still loving it and said have faith and believe, and you will not be harmed. And at that time I got up and I started walking up the stairs into the light and that's when I came out of mind. My comba about four months jeez, So it was induced. But what I tell people is that, you know, they always say, you know, Victoria, and you must be really special because you were brought back into this world to do something great. But the reality is I was not special enough. And I tell people, you know, rather you believe in God or not, I do so if this is how it applies to my life. And if God is the greatest fisherman, he will throw the little fish back in upon the life to grow some more. And that's what he did. He threw me back in upon the life. He says, you grow, you're too little. Next time I'll keep you. So was it that I was ushel? You know? Was it that I had anything great? To do in life. I was just spiritually not big enough to stay with them, and that stays with me a lot. And I do believe had a not listen to that voice and had that faith of a mustard seed, the same faith I had when I let go of that steering will. I do believe if I had stayed there, I would have died. I would have never come out of that coma. And I think at that point that God said, or are you're going to do? You're gonna get up and go unto light and grow and be a big fish, or you're going to sit here and you're gonna die and you're probably not gonna like where you go. And that was my take on that. So I spent eight years and medical retirement. I mean, I would still get out in grocery shop, but you know, I very really left the house, and I'd grieve losing my job like most people would grieve a death in the family and cop it was just who I was for so long. And after eight years, when I feel like I had recovered enough, I left my medical retirement and I went into the animal service field. That is a very I don't want to say heartbreaking, but I know that's something that you loved or whatever. So it's really something hard to hear that you went through that. Well, I you know, a lot of people got through worse, and a lot of people don't wake up and are able to go up the stairs into the light and have their wife back. And I mean, I appreciate you saying that, but that was my my near death experience. Happened when I was in the field and they were working on me. The rest of it, to me was a spiritual journey to grow. And I'm not ashamed to say this, but I mean I still fall sure. I look back sometime and I think, you know, God must really be disappointed in men. But I let him down daily, And you know that is a personal struggle with me still to this day. And I think about, you know, officers I've known that did not make it home, that had families that were more worthy to live, and I think he spared me and I have been such a letdown and I'll live with that daily because I mean, if you knew me in real life, I'm a very hard person to understand. I'm very withdrawn and I'm just an oddball and I will always be one. But I kind of I'm grateful. Then he threw me back, told me to grow. But at the same time I kind of think it was but it could have been better served with someone else. Yeah. So anyway, I get into animal service and getting into the job, and we would run with we would run with like six or seven officers during the day and we drop down on one at night and the officer at night where we would run the whole county and then we would get the panther call, you know. We sometimes had to go tracking out in the woods for wounded animal that might have attacked someone or whatever. And I was sitting there in a colder sack, and. We drove these full size King cabs f one fifties, and I remember I was sitting in a colder sack and it was like. Probably I was a witch in the night shift. It was the middle of the night, and I'd sit there and I'd work in this could a sack and I'd do my paperwork and I'd always get the feeling like if I looked up, someone would be standing in front of my truck and I just had that feeling, and it just it's just like something's going on or you just get that feeling of being watched, and you know, you know, working when animals. We had, like I used to feed the fox and the raccoons there and they know the sound of your order when you pull up, and they're expecting to come up. I didn't see any of the wildlife. But I'll tell you what was weird. Before it got dark, there was two cold de sacks on the street. I was parked in the first could a sack and I was out, you know, smoking a cigarette, and I saw this rabbit just running around in circles broad daylight, just running in circles. I'm thinking, it's weird that that rabbit would be running in circle. That just kept going around and round and around. And I was like, I don't know, maybe I need to get it caged up, let it you know, take it in so let it rest, maybe getting some fluids, and I mean, I don't know, but being a wild animal, I just you know, I'll let it go. You never seen that. It's just weird. It was just weird. And later on that night, this probably a couple of days after feeling like I was being on watch, I was got out of truck. I was wondering, you know, there was no little wildlife there, and I can't remember if there was any sounds or anything around. I don't know, And out excided, I said, well, I'll put some dolphine on the curve and see if learn any of the raccoons or the fox comes out or whatever. So I stepped out the truck and then popped the top over off the dogs food and I was walking up to the curve. There's this little like strip of woods, and we had woods all around us. Now it's developed. Back then it was it and we had to creep behind us that eventually went into the river. And I popped the top off of the dolphor and went to thump it on the curve and something growled at me from the woodline. And when I say it growled at me, I felt it in my chest. It was just like it was inside of my chest. Just it rattled me. And I always explain it as a jake brake. That's what it sounded like. It sounded like a jake brake. And something said, do not look up into those woods. Do not look up. So I took the can of dog food and I thumped it really hard on the curve because I'm thinking you know whatever that is, maybe it wants the dog food and not me. So I dumped the dog food out from the can like really hard, and I just backed up to my vehicle and I got back in my vehicle and I'm like, this is crazy. So I shot up the road like maybe a mile mile and a half and I went to circle okay, and I got some coffee and I started thinking about that, and I'm like, you know what, that's my cold of sack. I sitting there and I do my paperwork. Ah, there ain't no way I'm going back. You know. You know, when you're out of the area, then you're okay, right, and you get this false sense of courage. So I go back to the cult of Sack and I'm standing behind my truck and I want to say I had my hazard, not my hazard stuff, my break lots on because the whole area was dark until you turned into our facility and that's where the street WAPs were. But there was none coming up at the time. There was none coming up there is now. And so I'm standing on the back of my truck where the tailgate is, and I got a coffe in one hand and a cigarette and the other and I'm like, I'm trying to figure out, you know, what was in the woods. Why did you know did a growl? I mean it was just a weird growl. It just it vibrate it you felled. It is all I can say. It was like a standing beside a truck and somebody's jake break, you know, and just it was just crazy. So I'm standing there and I look up and this dog type thing and I didn't know anything about dog man at tom It goes across the street and it had the rabbit in its mouth, and I seen it was the same rabbit that I've seen before. Here's the kicker. I could see the definition and like the fur of the rabbit. But this animal was so black. It was like black against black. It was like black against the night. Black. And I was looking at the head because the head is the danger spot. The head is where you know with a dog, there's forty two teeth there and I know from experience because I have chunks missing out of my leg that's the danger spot. So I'm looking at the head. I'm saying the rabbit and I'm trying to take this in. And then the first thing that crossed my mind was some redneck done in bred something in the basement and it escape and it's just fucked up and it shouldn't be in my environment. But it's if you when I go through the internet now and I see these thumb nails of the old man, it was nothing like the huge oversize just beast coming down on you, because first of all, this thing was on four legs. Don't know if they had piles, don't know if they had fingers. I don't know, because I was looking at my head and the head. I was looking at it from the side, and like I said, it was like a black on against the black sky. And I don't know if this makes sense, but it was black enough you could see the difference in contrast, and it had a back. Then I would say it was German shepherd because I worked German shepherds, but you know yours gone by, I said it was more like an a kid to snout, and that I mean it was almost fully engulfed that rabbit in its mouth, and the ears were laid back, which would be typical of an animal with that just caught prey. You know how they just put their ears back like their proud was something. But it was huge. It was not. I've had people say, well, maybe it was a dire wolf and they're not extinct. No, this was not a wolf. It was an oversized dog. This was huge, but it was not like you seend the thumbnails. If you take what I saw on all fours and you stand it up, you would have a dog man, but a very toned down dog man. The one thing about the arms, and I'm looking at it from the side direction, and about twenty seconds if that is gone. But you know, with my background, I took a lot in arms were like like a bodybuilder, but not like a big bodybuilder. I mean like it had biceps. And when it was strike the stride on it was just off. It was almost like it was pulling, pulling the ground in the end. I don't know if that makes sense, but it looked it did not look like it should be on all fours, but it was on all fours. I do not know, if I had to tell, I do not you know, like a bushy tail. I do not know what the hind legs look like. But I know this was abnormal and it was not meant to be in my environment. It was not normal in my environment, and it was huge, and I would say on all fours it would be level with the tailgate of my full sides f one fifty, And it was just huge. But it was not like you see in the thumbnails when you see dag Man videos. Yeah, it was. It was like a toned down version. And I remember sitting there, I yet passed, and my mind's taking it just just like when I was, you know, in all certain that small town. My mind was trying to figure out where this belongs in my mind, and it's trying to find a place for it. I'm sitting there and I remember I'm holding my coffee and my cigarette, and a joke later and I said, I'm a professional coffee drinker because I never spilled my coffee. But I'm just sitting there like, and excuse my language, but I'm sitting there like what the fuck? No? And I got back in my truck and I just sat there for two or three minutes. I drove off, I went to the circle cade. I just sat there and I was trying to process it. And I'm like, then I or the second guests, And did I really see that or was I mistaken? There was no way that existed in my environment. No, way, and I mean and it stayed with me, and so I went online, you know, kind of like you did, and I'm trying to figure out what I saw, and dog Man popped up and I said, okay, that's probably what I saw. And I do not like the name dog man. I don't like them that just when you're trying to tell your story and you say dog man, it just someone that's really trying to listen, that don't know about it. That kind of kills it when you throw like that terminology dog man. This was a canine creature that I have never seen in a textbook in real life at the suit or anything else. And it, I know, it did not fit my environment. And I probably said on it a couple of months, and you know, I told my coworkers about it and they're like, well, you know, there'd been a bear or wolf or whatever it weren't. And that's really when I got into you know, the cryptid world and kind of felt like, okay, weird anyway, I don't really fit in, you know, with the norm anyway, so why not go down this rabbit hole? And I remember one day I was going through Facebook and I was just you know, getting into it, and I never realized there was like these groups and Facebook and a big foot and dog man. I was like, wow, they're like I hit a gold mine. All these people know stuff and what I didn't realize it can be a very cold and manipulatives and kind of backstabbing community. When you find good people in the community, you have a tendency to stay with them. The good people are good, but you always have those that just will grow on the whole community. And it's really important to find those good people. And so I went down the rabbit hole. Well, I found a post that I liked one day and I went to save it to my Facebook page, but I thought I had locked up were only I could see it. And apparently I made it public to my friends and didn't know it and I just went around like Okay, everything's normal. Well, my friend contacted me and he was like, hey, that post you put on there, I got something to tell you. And I'm like, what post? What are you talking about? And he said, whole lamp post. He says, I didn't see a dog man, I saw a big foot. And this is someone I was raised with. Going back to where I was raised at with the tobacco fields and the blueberries and blackberries growing wild and where I was raised at. And the first thing I did was I went to my Facebook and I just deleted it because I was like, I'm kind of strange, but I really don't want that out there. And so I called him when his days Richard who don't mind, his story is actually on my YouTube channel, I said, so tell me what you saw, he says Woll about twenty years ago, he was in the area where we grew up at, and he had got on a john boat and he decided that he's gonna go down to the river, the Lumber River, and this beautiful river. Very it's a scientific river. It's a lot of research it's done on it. It's very beautiful. You got to go look it up. Beautiful, beautiful. Earful dropped his boat in, went under the bridge and just kept hearing something on the river bank, and it's like got this feeling up like he was being watched, and it's just that with his little john boat, just as proud as he could be with it, because you know, he's saved up and he was living a life now on the river. And he haddles his boat up to the shore and went to relieve himself. And when he went up the bank, he saw two pigs that were dead and they were laying head to head on their side, and he said, it was really strange because I remember looking down at the pig and thinking he could catch a pig and beat it with the head in with a sledgehammer. He's just he's just he was just like it was just weird. And he didn't think anything helps about it, because you know, weird things happen in the swamp. And he's like, well, that's where let me go back fishing. So he gets back in his john boat and he goes to the other shore and back then he had an eye that would kind of look off to the side, and he's had it correct. It would surgery now, so he could literally see to what would be our peryfial. He could just see like a good distance to his side, had very good perfual vision. And he caught something at the corner of his eye and he turned around and looked and he said there was a big foot standing there, and he said it was just black and they had the black skin and like he said, like the fur was mad, and he said it was just looking at him, and he said he felt pure terror, and he started trying to slap the waters, like you know, he was just doing something in the defence. So all he could think was slapping the water, trying to with the paddle, trying to get it to go away. And he said it. Stood up and put his hands on a healthy tree and pushed the tree in the river at his boat, and it shot up the river bank, and it scared him so bad, he said he got hisself together, blacked his thoughts, and paddled up, went back under the ridge, went to the bank, jumped in his truck, left his john boat and didn't go back for its downe in years. Well, the first time he went back was with me, and I told him about what happened in there and what I saw. He said, well, what I saw was about pretty much where we grew up at. And I said, well, let's go back. And I said it might do you some good to go back there, because he would have to go through this area to get to work, and so instead of going through this area, it would go about eight miles out of his way to go around the area. He just didn't want anything else to do with it. So this was the first time he went back and he walked me Shroyer and still to this day when he talks about the hair on his arms will stand up. And if you go the bank YouTube and you see a story which the audio was that Jae because we're still building their channel, but I mean the hair on his arms still was standing up when he was telling his story. So we started thinking, that's why I really want to go see and try to experience what I got, what I saw, because what I didn't tell you is a couple of months. No, yeah, probably a month or two after I saw what I did in that culd de sact, one of my friends called me and she still worked in a law enforcement and she was a detective. When she called me, she goes, hey, can you do me a favor? You know, kind of on a downlow. She said, if you go down the street, there's a grease recycling plant right on the river. Something was in the woods screaming and they're refusing to go back to work. She just can't go down there and see if you see anything. Because you know, I worked animal service. You know, I don't know what she thought I was going to do. I'm not going to go in there and grab something with the catch poul, you know, but it was my job, so I said, calgo. So I go out there to the Greece recycling front. There's bamboo that didn't hit the river. And I mean it was dark and there was nobody there. Why didn't see anything, didn't hear anything. But I know a few weeks later I went up and that place was lit up, like there was lights everywhere. And I guess that's what they had to do to get the employees to come back. I don't know, I never you know, in contact with the business. I would just went out there as a courtesy. Well a year later, this was after you know, me and Richard started going out and doing our little you know, hiking in the woods and if we could see signs of what we had encountered, and we basically whatevery, you know, the beast of Blade and you know the things that happened when we grew up. We were like, let's just go back to where this the area we were raised, and see what we can get. So before that happened, I was on my way into work and I was crossing the railroad tracks and I scene so tree brakes, and I just called it, like, you know, just a corner of my eye, and I'm like, that's really interesting. But those railroad tracks went behind a subdivision and you would have to go in the subdivision and get that part of the woods. So later day when I got a break, you know, I just patrolled through there and I was trying to look in the area where I saw the breaks from the road near the railroad tracks, and so I went down the road. Then I come back again. I was going really slow, and the soldier walked out because we're right there for Bragg. The soldier comes out and he says, what are you looking for? And I said, well, what should I be looking for? He says, well, we've seen something strange, and you know you were animal service, so you might be looking for what we saw. You get the report and I'm like, no, but what you got going on? Well, I actually recorded this audia because he left me because it was so similar to what I saw, and I have like two three minute videos of him just describing it. So him and this other soldier don't know his name, didn't talk to him. They were outside about midnight, just hanging out, and they looked up the hill and they seen this big black doll there and they said it was just abnormal, and it says something was just off about it. And they described German shepherd ears and the muzzle and he says, you know, ma'am, there was just something off about it. He said, So we said, well, something's off about it. Let me go in, give my firearm because it comes out here it's sick or whatever. We're going to have to dispatch it, which was reasonable. So they go in, get the firearms, come out and it's gone. They're like, well that's strange. So they go into woods just to track it. And they said, and so they we'd go to where they could hear it at and when they would get there, like they would go to the three o'clock, it would end up at the nine o'clock. So as they were tracking it, it was tracking them. And you know, but why he described was exactly where I saw, and I needed that for validation. So I can't those videos just every time I start to sink it, guess myself or I will let someone taught me. You know, you really didn't see that maybe it was this or that. I can't change what I saw, And I just I can't format it to see everything else in the dog man world the way they describe what they saw. And you know, and I'm not saying they don't see these big, overgrown dog men. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying what I saw was not anything like that. It was similar, but it was smaller it. It was just something old about it. And when I heard these two professionals, you know, I mean, you know, they go out and they protect their country. They you know, are trained. They described what I saw a year earlier. So I kind of needed that because you get so much negativity out there. You get people saying, oh, you're lying there in no way, you've seen dead, or you're a hoaxer. Well, first of all, I don't need the world to police me, because I policed myself hard enough and I'm hard enough on myself that I saw what I saw and opinions changed that. And like I said, going back in the community, people can be pretty horror on you. If it doesn't fit their idea of what you should have solved, that it didn't happen. If you didn't react the way they thought you should have reacted, then it didn't happen and their lives a problem. So after that, me and Richard started going out in the woods. We started going out where we were raised up and we go out in the woods and we started having the most the strangest stuff happening. We got out one day and this was really weird. We went in, threw a fire break. Everything got quiet on us. I don't know if you've been in the middle of the swamp, but the swamp don't get quiet. It does not get quiet. There was no crickets, no nothing. The only thing you heard was way off in the distance was a single crow. And I said, Richard, did you shot her about? He says, I hear nothing. And then we got this over and the over was almost like stagnant water or like a wet sand, but it was just there then gone, and it didn't linger, it didn't slow down. It was like there in Donald and we're you know, we're both still learning. We don't really know what the signs are, but it's like our first time out. It's like we just stepped into madness. And when I did get a little bit of this silence, if you go to my YouTube pages, there was one there with Richard total silence. Nothing there. You don't hear nothing. I did get, you know, like thirty seconds of that, and it seemed like they were more tuned in to Richard. And when I said what, I don't know if these were what these were, but it was it was CRYPTI that's all I can say. Because we had gotten something on the tape we did. We didn't even know we video taped that. And every time I showed this it was, oh, you hoaxed that, Like, no, I tell you what, you go pick someone out to give me a polygraph. If I passed, you drop out of the community. Never come back. If you pass, which you won't, I'll say, you are right. And that's just where I stand on it. But I was holding the phone. We're walking down a firebreak and with me being having a canine officer background and stuff, and you always help your dog when your dog gets tired, you start man tracking. And I'm looking at these little game trails that's cutting in through the hutsuvine and I had my phone on that was in my hand. We a little walking and I said, well, look there's a little game trail right there, and I just take my phone and I just wanted to short of game trail and we're still walking and I was wanted it back, and you know, I was like, we sound like elephants out here and we're laughing and giggling. A year down the road, I was about to delete it. One of my friends in England wanted to see what I researched. Jerry looked like, so I sent it to hid because you are not going to believe what's on this. And there's this thing sitting in the Cudzouit vine. And when I turned my phone, like look there's a game trail and we're laughing, and I don't turn my head with the phone. I'm just like, look there it is. I turned my head and start back talking to Richard. This slender like it looks like it has shoulders thing is sitting in the cudsou vine. This thing is behind it, but it's like got reflection off the cheeks and it turns its head and it just looks at me. Never seen it there, don't know what it was. But when you take that and you tie into everything that's ever happened in that area, tells me it was something cript And she sends it back to me and I'm like, this is crazy. I send it to Richard is like, oh my though, I'm like, I felt that what it is? I said, it's not a bear? Yeah, he was like, well it looks keene on top. I'm like, oh my god, you think it could be the beast of Blatant or blade bur And It's like, well, that's right down the road from it. I don't know, but it's really freaky. And here's the weird thing about that. We would have something strange literally every time we happened there, but just enough where we couldn't say what it was. So the day that we caught this thing on tape and we didn't know what, we had the odor in the silence, and you know, we were like rookies in the field. We're like, yeah we should go yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna find us a bigfloot. Well, we felt something, we just didn't know it. So we were getting a little freaked out, right, So we're like, oh, man, let's just go eat, get yourself together, and let's come back. You know, we're like excited, we're out of the house doing something, and we thought, yany we're in the big flot world. We're researchers yang and we grabbed something to eat. We come back and when we start to go into the woods where you break into the woods and you go down like a little path and you hit a fire break and it just goes straight by this creek that then turns into the river. Well long when we start to enter it the swamp again, something had took cyclones from each side each side of the entrance to trail. They took those sidelines from the left side to the right side, and in the middle of the trail they wove the saplings together to where it blocked the trail, and we got a photo of that. And right under that was you had some pine straw and some leaves and dead brush. Something had it looked like it took its fingers and fluffed up the natural debris around the cyclone like six foot wide, into like a large use shape. And I've never seen that, And I've asked people, have you ever had that happen to where something took its fingers and just dug a youth shape into the natural debris, And they're like, well, no, Well, so we went through the actually we didn't go through the side ones. We're like, let's just leave that the way it is. And go around it and fludder we'd got the lored. We would find where a cyclone was taken from this side of the firebreak on that side of the fire break, and they were twisted and woven together, and we kept finding those and kept finding those, so we would start going out and tingling. And during this time we still didn't know we got something on the video. And then the hurricane come through, the hurricane Matthew come through about that term I think it was Matthew's the one after that, and the whole area was flooded. Why had a friend that had just retired from North Carolina State Highway Patrol and he used to pick on me so bad about my big foot stuff and you know, the dog man stuff, and he was just, you know, he was like, there's no way I've been in those swamps all my life. He was just one of them country boys were to go on. The spacebook has pictures of him holding a rattlesnake out with swamp and sold them. They're like, oh when I got you, you know, released it just comfortable. He's like, I know everything in the swamp. Well, he said. When the hurricane was coming through, he called me and made it the point to tell me this. And his brother was standing on the back deck and they heard a scream coming out of the swamp. He told his brother he had never heard anything like it. It was almost a dreadful, just pitiful, just he said, I've never heard anything like it. And when he told me that, I called Richard. I said, Richard, I just talked to Sew and said this is what he heard. I'm like, you know, he don't be doing the dog man and the big firstuff because see thinks we're going to go to hell for doing that. I said, well, listen, this is what he said. I said, I wonder if they survived. And sometimes you know that things are there, you don't have to see them another there, but there had spent plenty of times they couldn't hemmed either one of us up, because you know, we would bounce in there by ourselves all the time. And there's a history there. The same you know friend that you know retired from the steak. He would tell instance where he set up a camp back there one day and he would go hunting and come back tent was torn apart and threw in the swamp and everything else, and you know he feared some ages. That's what his camp. But he was in the middle of nowhere there and I was out there and I said, hey, you reckon. They survived that because half the county was underwaterer it. It was water all over this county. I mean, factor trailers were covered in water. It was just devastating. And when the water started setting back, is this thing we should go out and see what's I said, I would really like to. So we go out there and the water's still high, and like a couple of days before that, I had went out there by myself and I couldn't get back there because the water was still standing at the road where we put in. And I saw this deceased doll on the side of the road, and you know, working with animals, I said, I said, it's got a collar. Owner maybe looking for it. Least I could, you know, bag it up and take it back to their owner and they could bury their dog. And I went over there, and I had a head injury and you could tell where there used to be a collar on it. And it was like a medium size, a smaller dog, and you could see where there used to be a collar on it. And so I said, well some way identified. So I just left it there and when one returned back that A couple of days later, I went back with Richard. The water had went down a little bit, but we still couldn't get back there, and I said, in the middle of night, and it's really dark out there, dark dark, dark. We're standing on the side of the road at the edge of the water and we're here a jingle And I looked at rich I said, you hear that? And you know, we're in the middle of nowhere, strolling by water and we're hearing like jingle bells. I said, that's crazy, that's the richer. Are you missing with me? So I frizzed him. I mean I literally grabbed him, checked his pockets. I said, don't mess with me. And there is nothing on him that could jingle. So we're standing there again and a jingle happens again. So he starts patting me down. He says, no, you're you're messing with me. I'm like, I'm not a dude. No, where is that coming from? And we realized it was coming from in the water, like under the bridge where the water was going under the bridge. I said, dude, that's coming from the water, and I could only surmise, and I could be wrong. But the only thing that would make sense knowing everything that happened in that area is that missing doll. Tag had been taken off that doll. The collar probably had bells on it, and something down there was shaken it trying to get our attention. And if it was a person, then they're standing in the middle of the swamp and water, snake and festive water in the middle of the night. There was no one there on right. A few weeks later, the water kept going down, kept going down. I kept thinking about what my friend said about, Hey, you know you heard that really god awful cry scream coming from the swamp. Let's go see if the words back down. So we go. This time the water is down and I won't wearing my snake boots. We go down there. He cuts to the right and the fire break. I go to the left. Still didn't know we had the thing on video tepe. And this was the crazy part. I don't have a snake boot, so I know there's water, moccasins, copper heads out there everywhere. So I would take a step, look, look, look, take another step, look, look, look, And I did this all the way back to the area where we got the thing that we didn't know we had on video. And I went by there like fifteen feet and the whole time, I take a step, look, take a step, i'd look, take a step, go past that area about fifteenth feet, and I'm like, the heck with this, I'm gonna get bit by snake and I don't do snakes. And so I turn around and I'm coming back. Put my foot down. I look, put my foot down, I look, and the same spot that we got the thing on the video tape, and we did not know we had it on the video tape, but the exact same spot. I looked down and there's a snake skin in the path. The snake skin is drywer the grass as wet. It was laying only grass, not in the grass. And me not liking snakes, I saw the snake skin and I let loose some profanity that my mama would have washed my soap. My mouth out was soap. And I ran past it and I went up to Richard. I was like, oh my god, oh my god, it was a snake skin. Blhah blah blah, and I'm like, you know whatever, here's the thing. That was the last day we ever had activity out there. And when I looked back and I think, and I don't know, I think did they genuinely because we had been out there so much and we have always respected the land. You know, I only took one person back in there with me just because she had activity on her proper and that's how I met her. She became my best friend, and we never disrespected the land, we had any attached material land. I wonder if this snake skin and I didn't think about this till like months later. I'm like, why are we not having activity? Where are we going to have an activity? But that says what if they left the snake's skin there to say just to say, yeah, we're still here where Okay we survived the storm. I don't know. Sounds crazy, he said out loud, But I think my mistake came is when I didn't pick it up and leave with it, because that was the last time we ever had a children that. I do kind of want to go back a little bit here before we wrap things up and ask about the dog man stuff or I know you don't like to talk that I don't either, But basically, what you saw. Can you give a description, coup. It's very similar to like what I talked about on your show, like did you see like the pause or if it had a tail or anything like that. I did not. I did have someone sketch it. Basically, all these sketch was probably the opera body and the head. And the reason I had them stop there is because I cannot swear or stand by anything else. I just know the poret of it that I saw, and that would probably be midway back up to the head and probably down where our elbows would be. I would just remember seeing like the massive like the arms were almost like a person's arms, but they were reached out stretched like it was in stride like a you know, anatom on four legs, but it was like it was pulling the ground to it. But the head was it was a big head, but it was portionate to the body. It didn't have a long neck. It was kind of the neck weren't like a long like a German shepherd, but it wouldn't be short like something like a you know, a boxer or something. It was just a big head. The ears were like laid back, but the snow was like an akita and it was. It was like the the it was a body that the upper body was almost like a body builder, but it was like toned down muscle, not like you see in the thumb nails, if that makes sense. I don't know. I really don't know. If it was the hair was thicker around the shoulders that made it look like it had a little bit of a homp back there, or it had a homp back there, but you could tell there was like a rich back there and it kind of went down at a slope. But no, I didn't see a tell. I couldn't tell you if it was feed or pause. I can't swear to it, so I can't say it. Yeah, that's the one thing that I always circle back to my own thing is basically I remember when it was standing there that it didn't have with a lot of people describe as like those fingers and humanoid looking hands or whatever. It still had a normal animal dog looking in canine pause. So I've always asked that question when I talk with you, either on or off air about it, like is that something that they'd notice, But most of the time no one ever really paid attention, or they say it had like humanoid hands. Well, when I see the thumb nails of a dog man like on YouTube, it beg like scary creatures. I'm not saying that they're not out there and people don't see them, but I can only talk about what I saw, and it was not like that. But it wasn't normal. I just don't have the words for it. It It's one of those things that's hard to wrap your head around, even after years of trying to figure it out, Like it's still a struggle to try to wrap your head around this thing and process it. So I understand. Completely, Well, well, here's the thing about the community though. With the community, if they can't wrap their head about it, they start to open ship and it gets so an excuse you know my language, But it gets tiring because I'm not going to modify what I saw the fit their narratives. And that's one of the reasons like my like my YouTube show, I kind of keep it lighthearted, so people do kind of open up a little more. And I, even though it's a serious subject to me, I try to take the approach that none of us are perfect, none of us have the answers, and none of us are experts. And one of the reasons I started my show is that there's so many there's such negativity out there, and I'm so for from perfect that if anyone was looking for a normal, everyday person that has walls, that does not try to present a perfect show. I mean, I do the best I can, but I don't try to come across like you know, I'm a newscaster given a narrow broadcast. It's like, you know, we're everyday people. Let's just be comfortable, and I'm not perfect, You're not perfect, Let's talk about it. And that's one of the reasons I know did what I did. The whole community itself is awful. And I say that not in like the terms of being better than anyone else, but like literally, they are some of the most heenous things that they do to sabotage each other, just to argue and fight because they all have different opinions, and you hit the nail on the head. There is no such thing as an expert about creatures or anything that they cannot prove that it even exists. But yet we have so called experts podcasters that think they know everything, and if you don't agree with them, you're basically getting their cancel. Culture by telling their fans to come and shit all over your shows. It's not like I know what I'm going through now. Yeah, there is a very specific group out there that do that, and I don't care if they get mad at me or whatever I do my show. I don't worry about the negativity that goes on out there because they're not worth my time. You're not going to please everyone. I do what I do because I do it the people that listen enjoy it, and if they don't enjoy it, that's cool too. Like at the end of the day, I do it for myself, as as selfish as that sounds. I literally do this because I feel like I have to have something to do and this is what is calling me to do it. For the people that out there that I talk to that help it also helps me. It's kind of my own little therapeutic way of going about life. So I'm going to keep doing it. People can hate on it, people can love it either way. I used to play in a death metal band. I'm used to people not enjoying. What I do well. I used to be a law enforce so I was probably the most aided person in the universe. But I had a good heart. And let me go back to that. When I woke up in that hospital, there's seventeen years of service. I had about three hundred and saw letters of people that sent cards to me and my family and told me things that I did that was good and made an impact in our life. That to me was something minor, but to deal meant all the world. And when they saw me on the news and I was, you know, on the prayer chains going around, they remembered me, and they remembered a moment. And when I sat down and I read those cards, I read every one of them. I realized I did something good for somebody, even though I never saw it, and I always forget to mentioned that, but I did something good. So I hope by having my show, I can do something good for someone else. And as far as the community, you can meet some of the best people in the world. But there are some people out there that will sabotage you. I've had people that have come on my show and they have looked at me and he says, you know, I really like you and I really trust you. Only for somebody out there to have an ax to grind. Maybe I stood up to them maybe I wouldn't take a show off because they had a problem with someone and they wanted me to delete their show and just just sabotage that report I had with that person. And that is what you deal with. But the people that know me, they know I'm good at heart, and they know that I care. I try to include their spouses in that. When their spouses want to, you know, or in the background doing something, I always acknowledge their spouse. If their dogs back working in the background, I'm like, hey, put them up here on the you know, the monitor, lest let's meet Koojoe. You know. But maybe that's my way of just saying, hey, there's still good people out here, and I agree with you. At the end of the day, I'm not monetized. I'll work my you know, I told you tonight when we were talking. If my computer goes out, you know, you know it it's on this last leg. So my money goes into everything. And I don't get a dim from anyone, and I do the best I can with what I have. But I take what I do have and I try to make it very relaxed and very enjoyable and sometimes comical. But I'll tell you this, I have some of the best chat people in chat ever, I have some of the best people. They are so sincere and kind to the guests. They ask really good questions, they don't try to triple up, and they have the sincerity about them that really keep me going. And just so people know, if you don't mind me plugging my show, it's the Not So Perfect Bigfoot Show. I'm on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, Not So Perfect Big Floot Show. Go check me out, like and subscribe. I'd really appreciate it. And if you know somebody that you know wants so laid back, easy going show, you know, let me know. I'm not trying to take you people from your Brandon but not so Perfect Bigfoot and I hope to see you there. What made you want to do the show? Like, of all things to do, like for me, it was what I had happened to me and then drove me. The curiosity I wanted to talk to others is that basically we drove you to it. There's a couple of things. I'm one of those people in my mind can't stay still for long. I just just silence. I don't like to sit still because my mind just the other thing is I do not want someone to be treated the way I was treated by some people. And I think it's very important that if you I'm so far from perfect, if you go back and you look at some of my shows, it's just one goofle up after another, but we keep rolling. And if the person you're talking to about your experience, if you know they're not perfect, and they don't try to hide their flaws, it makes it a little bit easier for someone to say I can relate you in your imperfect ways, in your quirky nature and your lack of being able to pronounce ninety percent of the words in the English language. And we have some serious moments on the show, and I do believe it's a serious subject. But for all of the assholes out there that treat people like crap, that talk to them and tell them if you get and react this way and getting happened, or if you're a narrative don't fit my narrative, well, we don't have to fit into what you think our experience should be like. And I don't have any expectations when anyone comes on my show. I just preferred them to tell the truth. And if you get to have an experience just say hey, I want to talk Bigfoot or dog Man. I do have a show where nomos come on and actually can have a Q and A with the researcher, and you know, we just we have fun with it. And I did it because I don't want people to be treated the way I see so many people treating out there. And I think you're a really good guy for doing what you're doing. Your podcast is awesome, and you're just awesome. I would eventually like to go into the kind of down a rabbit hole. You know. I'm working on you know, remote viewing and in the big Foot few and you know, stuff like that for future shows. But I do it for the people, probably the same reason you do it, so people could be comfortable and help the seOne that you know it's going to give them a little bit of dignity. I will give you a warning from my own personal experience. I'm looking at your channel right now, and you get a lot more views on episodes than I do. I recently became monetized on YouTube and it took me almost two years, but my channel has gotten warnings because some of the episodes that I've put on there, because of some of the topics that people want to talk about, especially when you go into the conspiracy realm. I don't know if I'm shadow band, if that's the correct term, or if they just don't promote my show, but we're having over one thousand subscribers. My latest video that came out today had thirty three views. That's ironic. I'm going to go look at it right now, but. I would say you're on your naughty list. Yeah, like currently for right now. My latest episode, which I said thirty three, which is ironic if okay, now it says forty two, so the thirty third parallel, which is a very like Downloads on my actual podcast have been really high. For the downloads today, but the YouTube itself, I've had forty two views on my latest episode. Your episode that came out two days ago had like five hundred and something. So you're getting a lot more views on your channel than when I get on YouTube. And I know it's because I've already had episodes removed from YouTube because of the content I violated their guidelines. Yeah, man, you're lucking over pro level and I'm like on the rookie level. So yeah, I think you've probably got to issue with YouTube? Are you all and wrongbel I am not. I've actually thought about going over there, just because. I don't rule. I don't mess with YouTube in the sense like my hosting service or the podcast sends everything to YouTube directly itself, so I don't That's why I've told you I don't really use the video because I don't do anything with it. It generates a video for me and automatically uploads it, so I don't really do anything with it. I just upload my edited audio into my podcast hosting service and it it distributes it to all the podcasters and the into YouTube. It makes a video, so it does all the work for me and I don't have to do anything and I just keep doing episodes, so it makes my life a little bit simpler. But the YouTube, I I don't understand it. Like I get subscribers here and there. But like it's. It's like I have subscribers, but no one's watching the videos. So I don't know why they're subscribing to the channel. Well they are, I think you kind of know they are watching a videos. It's just you're in a platform that ying are not allowed to be free with what you want to explore and that that's the world we live in now. No, I'm looking at it right now. I have channel violations and warning. So I'm not stolid, but you keep going. Has anyone ever told you you still want very what? No, I haven't heard that. I have been told several times. I have a radio voice, so. I don't know. I won't be shot one day if I turned on your show and you got a little very white in the background singing the tune. Man all right, I don't know if I'll have that, but I oh, well, I can't wish well for anyone that's interested, I will make sure to link your channel in the show notes. So for anyone out there listening, if you'd like to find out more information on Victoria's podcast, go to the YouTube or go to my show notes and you can check it out there. I was just on an episode earlier, so that should be up on there here relatively soon. Absolutely, I think we can go ahead and wrap this up. I want to say thank you because I do appreciate you coming on here and talking with me. We've been talking for about three hours now, so between your show and my show, I do appreciate you taking the time out and talking with me tonight. I appreciate that. You know, you're probably the last podcast I'll ever do. I did tell mcgil his show, thank you, probably are going to be the last one I do, and that just says a lotfuler. I think about your Brandon, and I hope to check in with you a little down the road, and I will be following you and just keep doing what you're doing, because you're doing something right, brother. I appreciate that. Well, Victoria, it's been a pleasure, but I'm gonna let you go. I've got work in the morning, so guy, get off here and get to bed, all right. You take care, Brandon, you do too. Good night, goybye, and that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. 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