Ep. 129: Creepy Crawfordsville

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode, We're going to be joined by my guest Chris and Christina. They are a couple of investigators from Crawfordsville, Indiana. They're hosting the first annual Crawfordsville Paranormal Convention, which is the thing that I've talked about of where I'm going to be speaking at on October twenty sixth, coming up here pretty soon. They've written a book about Crawfordsville and all the weird things that have happened there so with cryptids, to UFOs and paranormal activity, and had their own experiences, so I thought it'd be a good time to have them on the show. Got to talk about some things promote the upcoming convention, and I'm definitely looking forward to diving in there talking with them. But before we do that, if you've ever had an experience and you would like to be on an episode of Tenfoil Tells, there's a couple of things you can do. You can either send an email to Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com, or you can go to tenfoiltals dot com and go to the contact section. 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Like take this time and welcome my guest tonight, Chris and Christina. Thanks for coming on. I don't want to thanks for having us. Thank you. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? So we uh wrote the book Ghosts and Legends of Croversil in Vienna. We also were the founders of Carverzil Paranormal Society and we. Have created the the the I don't know what do you call it exactly, the company Legend Lore and Hauntings where we do ghost tours, we do talks on the paranormal. We do investigations and we published books through that. Awesome. What kind of got you into that? For me, it's sort of a family thing. My family has always been fond of what we call porch sitting, getting together and sharing stories. And there are a lot of paranormal stories throughout my family's history, so we were always getting together and passing them on and sharing them with each other. And that's kind of where my interests peaked in that. And then when we started dating, we found common ground in that because he's always been a big cryptid fan. Yeah. I was runn up in a really religious upbringing, and I fell in love with the idea of giants in the Bible being still existing in reading about giant skeletons and things like that. Knowing that I read an article that giant graveyard was discovered just on the edge of Crawfersville was a huge thing for me. And then when I read about the Crofisole monster, it just took off from there. And so I've just been down the rabbit hole of cryptids ever since. So thirty years I've been studying cryptids pretty much, and I just I'm totally obsessed with it. So with my love of cryptids and her love with the parent normal, we kind of were an easy matchup to talk about. That's kind of how I am too. I love the cryptid stuff. I've loved paranormal stuff, ufo stuff. As a kid, I was always into all sorts of monster stuff. So for me, doing this is almost like not so much what I wanted to do in life, but it gives me the opportunity, I feel like to talk with people about some of the weird things that I always was interested in as a kid. Well, and when you grew up in a town like ours, a community like ours, where there's a lot of weird and a lot of strange, it's easy to fall in love with it. And it's it's easier to be in love with it, I think, than to be scared of it because we are people here are so open about it. But it is very a big thing to your upgrad upbringing, at least it was for us, of all the people who would talk about it, and the urban legends of the area and all the different creature sightings that you know, your your grandparents would tell you about, your uncles and aunts would tell you about. Not to mention the ghost sightings and things like that that have been seen in the area. It's some of the extremely scary places that we've had over the years in our town. Several of them have been renovated now and are still pretty eerie, but you know, we've got some pretty creepy buildings in this town. It's not very many people that you run into that haven't had some sort of experience here in Crawfordsville. And even though it is a really religious town, they it's not religious in such a way that there are against the idea of the paranormal or against cryptids or things like that, as as you can see in other areas. And it wasn't something we were worried about when we decided to first start doing this publicly, and it was in not just being a private thing. Was what kind of pushback would we get, And we've never received any. We've always found that people are always open, they'll enjoy talking about it. We get invited to all these public groups to do talks, the places I would never ever suspect that they would want us to come to a talk at, but we get talked, we get invited in all the time, We've got talks lined up constantly throughout the end of the year. Yeah, with educational groups, different historical societies, different philanthropic groups ask us to come and talk about paranormal stuff. We've we even had a church advit us to come in and speak to their youth group about it. So, I mean it was very i would say, one of the more strict religious churches in the area. So it was very interesting to get to, you know, the way it's so open here. And of course when we wrote the first book, we were like excited, but on pens and needles for any negativity, and we've never had any negativity from the public in the area about it. We do have a lot of people driving me a little crazy about the next book. They're really excited about it, and I'm like, I need time to finish. We find out a lot of people are just really interested in the history of these these stories and these creatures and stuff like that in our area, and that's something that we are very passionate about too, is like the history of it as we believe that kind of personally that you know, those stories and stuff that you grew up on, that's what shapes who you are and shaped your community, and so we love that. Everybody is like, tell us more, like, we want to know back two hundred years where's the first sighting of this creature? Where did that happen? You know, tell we want to know all the history. I'm gonna have to look more into your book and some of your research because with me being also here in Indiana, it's also one of those things where I don't get a whole lot of opportunity to go out and look for things, but if it's not too far away, it might pick my entry to just to go out a little bit and snoop around. Yeah, and in this area, I mean it's so easy too that we have a rotary jail down the street that literally you go to it and very few people walk out of there without a sighting of something or a feeling of something or a sound they heard that they couldn't explain. The the woods around here, Shade State Park, Turkey Run, those places are famous for bigfoot sightings and dog man sightings and and things like that. That agere not dear. Yeah, you know, it's it's a it's a very vibrant place. Uh. We have a lot of fairy sightings in the area. We have stories about family that we investigated because the fairies that were haunting their house. Fairy circles are known to pop up here everywhere like crazy, you know. So it's a it's an interesting town and community, you know. And I feel like anybody who likes interested in this field, you can come here and find something that will intrigue you. I've been to Crawfordsville a few times. I've actually been there a lot recently just because of work purposes and my job kind of took me a little bit all over the state. But six years ago we stayed. We camped at a creek I forget think it was Sugar Creek. I think that's not too far from the Crawfordgill area, right. We went floating down the river. I didn't see anything that I noticed, But. I find Sugar Creek's an interesting thing in town because we don't have a lot of stories about Sugar Creek, but the woods that are off of Sugar Creek, in all the little areas, you do hear lots of stories about sightings about different things out in those woods, but you don't hear much on Sugar Creek itself, except for there is a legend of a silver mine somewhere on Sugar Creek in Montgomery County down by about Hinge area, that there's a lot of silver mine down there. So that's an interesting thing that people like to go and investigate in their canoes and stuff like that. See they find it when they're going down Sugar Creek. Sugar Creek, it's not encryptid because we can prove we can prove that it exists. But Sugar Creek is known for its crinoids. Crawfordsville is one of the heaviest places you can find crinoids. You can just walk down Sugar Creek on any given day and just find handfuls of crnoids. And you find the full flow, the full flower creatures, fossilized heads and everything of them all throughout Sugar Creek. And we even have two or three species that you can't find anywhere else in the world. You know, we have one place called Corey's Bluff where when you go buy it you can literally just see them in the side of the rock wall, the the carnoids. It's it's a very pretty pretty sight. I'm not really familiar with what a chronoid is. They are not called this so much, but probably when you were a child, they were referred to as Indian beads. But they're just these little stems of flowers that they would break apart and they would have holes in them, and Native Americans would make a lot of jewelry out of them, and so that's why they were the beads. But they are fossilized parts of an ancient creature that used to exist that look like a giant flower. It was very interesting because it would, uh it would. That was when this area was covered in water, and so it would dig its roots into the soil under the water. But the water wasn't very deep, so it'd be like two feet three feet deep, and this creature would grow its stem up until the flower part would sit above the water and it would catch bugs and other things that eat it. It's almost basically like the venus fly trap tunictit. Exactly, but they actually called it an animal and not a plant. That's interesting. I never knew that. Yes, we have a display of it at our local library for those who want to go in and actually just check out crynoids. They have quite a few specimens there for people to check out. Now, if you want to get into the cryptids along is it a Long Sugar Creek the Giant. Yes, there along the Long Shugar Creek there is where the Giant graveyard is. But you can see the bluff where the gravegard was found as you travel down to the Share Creek. But it is on private property. Yes, I'm hopeful it comes spring. I will finally get some time to go and talk to the landowner about doing some work on checking out the ground and see what might still be there, because it was a large site that was uncovered, and so it would be interesting to see what got left behind because it wasn't done educationally so much as they just dug up some stuff, thought it was cool, threw that on the ground and let anybody who wanted to take a piece of it, and they even took the bones back the feet of the local dogs. I've always heard stories of giants, but I've never I've talked with someone recently from around here, and there's been stories of giants in Miami County. Yes, So I'm trying to wait to see if anything gets turned up from that, But even here there's been We have a very strange history around here too, and I think it's all tied to the rivers and the Native American lores and everything else that was through this area, and I'm assuming it all at one point, like even with the Crawford's Crawfordsuil the only but an hour and a half away from here, Roughly, this whole area of years ago, I'm sure was pretty populated by Native Americans before the white settler came over. There were a ton of tribes. I actually saw a map a while back about all the tribes in Indiana, and I mean it's a ton of tribes and there were regular battles between them. Shades State Park actually is called the Shades of Death. One of the reasons why there's multiple One of the reasons why was because of all the Indian deaths that took place there between the battles between the Miami and other tribes. So, I mean, it's a very it was a very populous place for the Indians, and Sure Creek was a very in some of the other rivers and stuff in the area made it easy travel through the state of Indiana to go to different areas. And we do find we were talking about this on a podcast not long too long ago, that you see more cryptid sightings around areas with more waterways and caves. And there's caves everywhere. In this area alone, I can attest to what I had seen. I live not too I live between the Walbash River and the Ill River. So the Ill River is only about two miles north and the Walbash is about three miles south. And you're familiar where the Miami County Fairground Road is. It was on that ben Yeah, so that same roads where I had my run in with got me doing this whole show seventeen years ago. Yeah, that's a that's a you know, one of those things where I'm hopeful to come get a sighting of some type. I've never I've never seen anything like that myself, but I but I believe it. I've got some friends who've seen some things out in the woods. They couldn't explain. Me and a friend we. Had a near encounter. Yes, we honestly have no idea what it was. We were out at this little spot. One side was surrounded by a cornfield, the other side was surrounded by wood in this area. We were sitting outside the car, just hanging out. It was in the middle of the night, and then all of a sudden, everything went quiet, except we heard this giant animal of some sort like come charging through the corn at us, and we jumped back in the car and got out of there. Like I mean, there was there was. Some type of noise that it gave off that It's nothing I've ever heard. And I'm an avid hunter. Me and my buddy, we go hunting for everything in the area. And in the end, you can go hunting for a lot of things. Dear turkey, you know, small game. You know, we almost I almost hit a turkey, just a little bit to go running out of the field right. And then after we after we heard that and we left, we were probably about a half mile down the road and he turns to me and he's like, we have to go back, and I said, I'm not going back. He goes, we have to go back. We got to see what I said, There's no way, and I have never been back to that area. I'm going back. But it was interesting because I mean, I've heard coyotes forever and that would be the only thing that we have locally that I would say would make any kind of noise that would be even resembling to this. But it wasn't loud enough, it wasn't deep enough to be a coyote, And just the way it ran or I assume was running and charging, the noise that was giving off as it was going through the cornfield was almost more like a truck coming through the cornfield than than any kind of animal coming through it. You know, in kyote or a deer or anything like that goes through a cornfield, you don't even hear a noise. Even dogs make very little noise unless they're trying to make noise. So it was very eerie. When you said it made a strange noise, I was kind of thinking to myself, did it sell metallic? No, it sounded more like have you have you listened to this ear sounds? Yeah, it sounded more like that. Yeah, as I actually just interviewed Ron Morehead recently. Yeah, it actually sounded a lot more like that the way those those sounds are. And I mean it all the hairsted up on my arms. It was I've never heard of anything like that. I was raised in the woods, spent every day in the woods my entire childhood, and I can't think of anything else I've ever heard or seen in the woods that would even make me scared. I mean, I've been bit by snakes, I've been you know, I've been in there was just about everything you could find locally, and and nothing terrifies me about the woods, but there was something there that was not friendly in any way. And I don't know what it would else it would be because I cause we can't trying to figure out like a horse, but there's no horses near there. You know, cattle, but that's not an area where we have any cattle in the area. We literally we tried everything to debunk what we were trying to We just can't it out except go back, except go back. Yeah, she won't go back. How many years ago was this, Oh. Well, about twelve. It's probably close to twelve. Yeah, chances heart's probably not there anymore. Yeah yeah. Do you think yes, do you think like the noise or whatever it was actually like trying to scare you all for Do you think it was actually running just to We felt. At the time like it was trying to scare us off, because as soon as she put the car in year it stopped, like all sound of it completely stopped as soon as as the car started moving. And that's one reason why I wasn't, so I was keen on going back because I felt like it wasn't trying to come after as so much as it was just trying to make us leave the area we were in. And the thing is is I had been in that area a million times. I called it my thinking place. And one night I told him, I said, do you want to go? I want to go show you my think. This is my thinking place, Like it's so peaceful, it's so serene, it's quiet, and it was the first time I had brought him out there. And then that was that's it's no longer my hanging place. I know. This was back I think in twenty twelve, which I should have about around the same time frame. I think she was twelve years ago. Yeah, where I used to work at I was down around Carroll County, and someone locally from there had caught on a trail cam what appeared to be a mountain lion. So I don't know if they're really around here or not, but they were showing people to work that they caught that on their trail cam. We regularly have them in the area. Mountain lions bobcats are seen in our in our town in the little towns around Montgomery County. We've even had bobcats come all the way up in people's yards small towns, so we're really familiar with us. I've actually been out on a deer hunt and had a mountain lion comes through the area while we were there, so, you know, I I think if it was something like that, we would definitely we would have I would have recognized it. I think only because of the fact that I have been in the woods with them before and they're not They're not something you know you edge away from. But I'm not really scared of them because I've been around them quite a few times, and you know, and I'm familiar with their pattern of movement, and you know, as long as you stay away, they're not going to come at you too quick. You can usually back away pretty fast if you're paying attention. Now, Buddy and Ida had why come all the way up to his tree, staying and staying underneath it for a while, and that was a little scary. He wasn't happy about that, and uh, but you know, that's one of those things where you don't want to have that. We do have those regularly. I have heard of people thinking that they might that bear might have come back to to the to the state because we don't have bear in this area. But we have had some hunters talking about that. They're not sure if it's a bear or what they're but they are seeing signs of some big animal in the woods in between Montgomery County Park, County Fountain and down into Putnam County. I know, go ahead, as I say. In this area in the past, we have reports of people seeing giant skunks that are the size. Of a barn. That's a pretty big skunk. Yeah. Of course that was back in eighteen forty five. Yes, I don't remember the exact year, whether they had the beast of bus score or whatever. That was. The giant turtle. Yeah, I want to get up over a turtle day. We actually talked about going this year and then do it. That's an interesting story too. You know that giant turtle up there in that pond. I would love to have seen something like that because I just because they can get that big if if they if they you know, aren't messed with right that I got. Turtles can get gigantic. Even a staffing turtle can get quite quite large. We've come up across a few in sher creep when we're efficient, But you know, the creatures do seem to grow large in this in this state. I think with to go back you mentioned the bears. I think that recently I saw something that northern Indiana supposedly had a black bear. And I don't remember how long ago this was, but I've always wondered, like when people say, oh, there's no bears not here anymore, wolves aren't here anymore. We don't have mountain lions, do they do the animals have a sense of where the state the imaginary state line is that they can't cross into Indiana. How do you know they don't come back in here? During the quarantine, there was a news story about the bears were crossing over the bridge from Kentucky into Indiana. Well, you know, and I think a lot of times with you see those stories only because people haven't seen them. It doesn't mean they're not here. You just have seen one, you know, and it says someone sees one, they want to claim, well, they're not here anymore. But you see that with a lot of things. I mean, I remember hearing stories when when we had deer kind of getting few and far between the county when I was little and they were really restricting us on how many we could take out of the woods, and people were saying, oh, you can't find a deer in this part of the county anymore. Well they were there. They were just you know, we weren't saying them. You know. That's just one of those things that if you don't see it, everybody assumes that it's gone. But that doesn't mean nothing, because I won't think it animal has any idea where it's supposed to be supposed to be. That's kind of where I've always been with it when it comes to people seeing, and I don't want to write off cryptis just misidentification because I hate when someone says, oh, you didn't see a bigfoot or adult you saw a bear. You should be able to know the difference between a bear and something like a bigfoot. It's just I understand, like if you only see, like if it's on all fours and it's walking away like sure, But if you're seeing like with the silhouette behind me or whatever, like, that does not look anything like a bear to me. So I hate when people try and write that off to someone. They're like, oh, you didn't see this, well, were you actually there right? Well? Did you see what I saw? You have a lot of other things that get added in there, like the smell. There don't have a horrible smell and every you know, a lot of people who come in contact with a bigfoot like creatures talk about the smell that it stands out to them drastically. The smell, I mean a lot of people talk about that they smell it before we see it, as well as the footprints. You can kind of well, when it's a bigger footprint. I mean, as someone who's been tracking and hunting in his whole life, you can't. You can't. I can't go out in the woods and see a bear track and not and think it was anything but a bear track. You know, if it if it's something that looks that's not as big as most big foot tracks have been recorded to be, there's no way it's a bear track. Even if they walk in the same footprint, it's not going to come up with that ag I mean, it's it's it's kind of a one of those situations where even if even if a person tries to say, well, you might not have noticed what it looked like, there's too many other things that you know about it. The way they sound, you know, is totally different the way they operate because a bear, if a bear's close to you, a bear's probably coming to you, not going away, versus sasquatch or bigfoot is more likely to walk away from the stories. Yeah, I I just get annoyed when I hear people trying to rational and I understand, like, scientifically, there's no evidence to cryptids, that's why it's considered a cryptied, but. We thought Cela camps were extinct for years. Yeah. Just because we don't know does not mean we know everything. And I think that's where it gets confusing for some people because just because science doesn't say it's here, everyone else writes it all. I was like, well, I didn't know a lot of things before end either. Oh yeah. Very similarly the Crawfordsville Monster, if you're familiar with that story, two guys after it was seen by over one hundred people in town, two guys came out and said it was a flock of killdeer, that it was just birds. And so the media took a hold of that and was just, oh, it's just birds, it's just birds. Crazy Crawfordsville saw birds and thought it was a monster. But the one hundred people who saw the monster, they came back and they said, we know what birds look like. We're not stupid. We know it wasn't birds. But that's not widely reported. You have to go back and read those newspapers to see that the populace was upset that everybody was going, oh, it was just birds, and they said, it's not birds. We know the words are what was the actual description that the witnesses had given for it. Okay, so they do. They do slightly differ, not much. Mostly it's just the size of the creature, but almost every sighting is the size is eight feet long, twenty eighteen feet long, eight feet wide, eighteen feet long and eight feet white. Sorry, and then it's got some type of red eye. But the eye but it had no visible head or tails. So what they say it's a red eye, you kind of have to think about it. Rollong lines that it could have been anywhere on the thing because of the fact that they did say it had no readily visible head or tail. It had the. They said it looked like it was white floating drapery, right, and that it moved through the air as if it had fins, and that it gave off a heat, and that when it came near to people, people felt nauseous when it came close to them. And the way they described the way the heat and the nauseous a lot of times it makes you think of radiation, how you feel think it up next to radiation or extreme heat. But yeah, they said it floated, that it didn't move in any like straight pattern, that it floated up and down vertically, That it moved in kind of a weird pattern, not like a deer or something else, I apologize, bird or something like it was swimming. Yeah, it was like it was swimming through the air, but it was having like it was having trouble they talked about, like a mechanical noise, almost like it was in pain. And the other weird thing is is it showed up at the exact same time two days in a row to them, almost the minute. The first night it showed up between one and two am, and then and the second night it showed up between one and two am, which is very strange that this this thing just shows up at that time. For no Some people were terrified looking at it, but other people were not terrified at all. They just watched it kind of with awe and were fine like it. So some people were scared, but other people were not scared looking at it. What year did this happen in? Eighteen ninety one, September fourth and fifth. It sounds to me a lot like almost like a UFO if you go like with the radiation and everything else. Like to me, it's almost like one of those old UFO stories. And if you based off the description or whatever I've seen things recently. They called it the squid, the thing that was floating through the air like back in anywhere they released the footage or whatever, and it almost had like weird shape looking tendrils to it and everything else like when you were describing, and for some reason, I just kept popping in my head and before you even got to the whole radiation part, I was like, almost like one of these weird squid like jellyfish UFO things. They've got the right, and it. Is considered the very first UFO in the nation because it was the very first one one they ever wrote about in a newspaper, and so they made a big deal about that that it was the very first ufo ever written about, but it was a fascinating subject. The articles, I mean, the interviews still exist from the time period in nineteen ten nineteen eleven. Somewhere around there, a gentleman came Vincent Gaddis, came to Carlozol and he did interviews with the people who were still alive who had seen it, and he went on to write an article about it in the Doubt magazine for the fourteen Society. But those interviews still exist. We're attempting to get our hands on them, but it is not easy. Fun fact, Vincent Gatis, who did those interviews and read about the crofts of the Monster, coined a term we're all familiar with, and that is the Bermuda triangle. He came up with that term. You don't really hear a lot about the Bermuna Triangle anymore. Yeah, well, it seems like all. The strangers kind of disappeared. Well yeah, well, you know, you don't really In the last few years, we haven't really heard a lot about any of the triangles. The Dragon Triangle, to be Media Triangle, the Alaska Triangle, they've all kind of seemed to be hibernating because we haven't heard a whole lot about any of them in recent recent days. We did about lock Nest the other day though. That was interesting for the first time there was a recent sighting or something. Yeah, someone has a recent sighting, and I mean that's an interesting is there. It's been quite a few years since we've had anything like that come out. In about that has been my goal is to interview someone who's actually had some sort of a lake monster encounter. I've had a couple of people say they've seen something and I've reached out to them about doing an interview, but I've never actually confirmed anything. They never get back with me, so it's still on my bucket list. I want to talk to someone that's had like a lake monster encounter. Yeah, yeah, well, And that's always frustrating in this deal too, because a lot of people will like postings on Facebook, yeah I saw this, and the message over they're like they never answer you or email you back, and it's like, come on, I want to know more. I deal with that every day because I'm always reaching out to people though message are our website or those message or Facebook, Hey, I've had a sighting in mc every County. Oh great, give me the details and I'd never hear another word. I'm like, come on, I need to know this stuff. We're trying to build an archive in which people can't check out. If they ever go to the cars the Public Life Right, they could ask for Deli Cray if she's working, and she can pull out the archive on the Haunted News Street mcgamery, County Carls that we've been slowly building for the last ten years. We have I will say so, we like to take any story, any story anybody wants to tell us. We're here for it, and then we will do further research and we'll go to that area, we'll look at it, we'll figure out what we can and we actually we had a person contact us about a story once and they gave us like a detailed description of this creature that they had seen, and they told us kind of what had been going on that night. We know that they were partying a little bit when they saw it. They told us where it was, and we went out to the area and in the daylight, the exact description they gave us of what this creature saw. There is a bramble bush that looks exactly like what they saw. So we think that they had been drinking a little bit maybe, and they saw this and was really scared. Because that's actually a little scary. Any when we first went by there, it was dusk and we're like, what is that? And we drove back there the next day or in a daylight to actually take a look at it, and it literally looks like some kind of scarecrow person standing out there along the road, And if you just get a quick glimpse of it, or you see it in the dark, it's terrifying. So we like those stories too, But we like to hear anything and we will research it as thoroughly as we can. We always like to. We always likely we find something we can't explain, like we have an EVP from an investigation we did. We locked it. We went in and we locked the house. I'll make sure every door, every window, everything was locked. We took the family out to dinner, we came eve back, and when we came back, we took the distal reporter they've been running the whole time, and we listened to it and there was just so much going on while the family was gone. The dog, who was elderly could barely walk, never barked, almost couldn't see or smell anything. Went nuts for thirty minutes straight. There was somebody on it to say talking, and there's nobody in the vicinity, and you could hear like a pin drop on this recorder. You could hear me leave the building when I locked the door, and I'm saying, hey, I'm leaving. You hear me leaving the door closed, So if someone had come in, they would have heard the door open. But that's not on there. But you hear the cabinet doors opening and closing. Even rapidly opening and closing in succession. And they're magnetically locked. They're not only magnetically locked, but they had child locks on them because they had small children in the house. But you can hear all the cabinets opening and closing. You hear someone running or something running up and down the stairs in an area the dog can't even go to because the dog there was a gate. The dog couldn't even get there, and something or someone is running up and down the stairs and you hear that. So it was a very interesting EVP. It was probably the best one we've ever caught because we just couldn't explain any thing. Oh, let's say, yeah, EVPs are always weird for me because I don't know what it's picking up, Like it's strange to think, like you're hearing all these things and like and try and I always try and write things off explainable at first, and if you can't rule out it what it is probably common stuff, then look at it as paranormal. And for me, when I hear the really really creepy things, I'm just like, oh, because you just you just don't know. Yeah, we were real, really diligent when we do that to try to control the field as much as possible so that there could be nothing contaminating it, as well as trying to make sure that like we can explain everything going on, like if if the furnace turns on or a fan turns on or something. I want to be able to explain that, and so we check I check everything out ahead of time. It's thoroughly as human as possible. And I go through these vps, I'm like, well, that's nothing. That's nothing. That's nothing. If it's even something that I could pull into something, I'm like, no, that's nothing. And this was like the one time I'm like, I don't know what to do. We a reputation is kind of like Debbie Downers, because people would come in and they would be like, this place is so haunted, and then we would go in there and explain every bit of everything away and they would be so upset with us. So when we do have those little moments of like, Okay, I can't I can't tell you what. Was going on there. I don't get it, that really is exciting. Yeah, that's the type of stuff that I would do too, because I've only been out on two investigations with a local paranormal group and I don't remember what they're called. If I did, I wouldn't bring it up anyways. But this was I think back in probably about fourteen years ago, fourteen or fifteen years ago, so it's been a while. And we went out to if you're familiar with Miami accounting, you've ever heard of Okey Pinocchi, like they claim that's like one of the most haunted areas or whatever. I've camped out there twenty years ago and I never had any weird experience other than we heard noises and we lit it up with a paintball gun end up being a duck. We hear a ducks start squagging off and flying away. I was like, well it wasn't a demon or whatever they claim is I here, But we were out there and they were getting all these little readings on their meters and everything that was paranormal, paranormal, paranormal. And the other place we went to was the old circus building that's out that way, like we used to keep the animals and everything else. Well, that place was building in eighteen hundreds, so you hear creeks and everything, and everything was paranormal. It was like, no, it's just probably wind and settling because this building is ancient. So I had that at my workplace. We have the I work at the local college here and we have one building that's the one of the oldest buildings on campus. It's not technically the oldest, but it's the oldest on that campus because two other buildings were brought to the campus from the original campus, but that building, because of the way it was made in the age of it. Now, when you walk up and down that building during a day time, you won't even notice it because of all the sounds in the building. But if you go through that building at night, you'll hear a lot of noises and what those noises are are you before you got there, So like if you walk down the hallway, you'll hear your footsteps from the other side of the building. They have just now released out of the wood. And we've proven it over and over again because a lot of our security guards back in the day were scared to death of this building at night because they I always hear the foots like someone's walking behind me. It's like it's you. It just catch it up to you. The reverberations finally coming out exactly. And it's a very interesting building. It's a beautiful building. But it's very funny that that happens because it's it's funny because that Billy doesn't have very many stories about it, the none actually I can think of off the top of my head. Uh. And several other buildings that are newer on the campus have some horrible ghost stories, and so it's it's interesting that the oldest building, the one everyone's scared of, doesn't really have anything and it's all just because of the wood and the way things were built back in the day and and things like that in the age that actually is creating that sound that scares everyone. Yeah, that's kind of funny. Yeah, I would be. I'd be the one that hear the foot stamps would get creeped. They like to play a game with new people, uh, and they like to take them in there at night and be like, Okay, we're gonna have you clean this building and we're gonna leave, and they'll stand outside the room and wait till you're like freaking out to come in and try and talk to you, and he's like, no, you're okay, there's nothing in here. We're just playing a strict on you. I'm not one that gets creeped out very easily. But there's certain times where even where I live now, like if I go out back and there's no light and I have to go back to where the animals are, like sometimes just there's an eerie feeling when you're back there in the pitch blackness. So I always if I get that, i'd pull out my phone. I'm just kind of look around with the phone mixture. But for the most part of like I says, for me, I'm not one that's afraid of the dark. I like sitting in the dark. I don't mind the darker like when you go outside, and especially like right now, next to me is the corn and I'm always thinking, like I step out of this barn now, and right next to me as a cornfield, and what's on the other side of this wall waiting for me to come out coming out of cornfield? So I've always got that little bit of paranoia in the back of my head sometimes, like I don't expect something to ever come out after me, but like my luck, I have to talked about so much crap out here and all those other things that I've manifest to these old my own paranal in my head. So I never. We uh well, I always had that because I've always been a big skeptic of the paranormal side of it, you know, a huge cryptic guy. But I've always been more skeptic on the other side. And have you ever been a Hotel Attica back in the day before they tore down? No, okay, so Hotel Attica. We went there for our Hontingmoon. That's how crazy we are about this stuff. And you know, it supposed to be was one of the most haunted hotels in Indiana at one time. And we went in that place and it terrified me. I could have swore that some woman walked into our room right through the door, and to this day, I don't know if I was dreaming or awake, and I want to try to claim I was dreaming, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't. And I got literally pulled off a bed. I'm a three hundred pound guy, and somehow I went off the bed feet first, over a couch onto a floor. And I'm not sure how it happened, because there's no way I ca I could have physically moved myself in that direction, but I could have swore this lady pulled me off the bed, but I was terrified. I woke her up because I was freaking out. I was having the best night's sleep of my life. And then I looked up, but he's just sitting on the edge of the bed, like shaking, eyes wide, and he was like, I don't know what happened. I don't know what this was, and he's like, I know that she she came right through the door and she grabbed me, and I was like, I was slept. Good, and I've always tried to play in office. Maybe I was sleeping, but I mean, it was just there was something too real about it, and I don't know how I got off the bed in that way terrified me. But I found it interesting because of you know, all those years of me saying, oh, there's nothing, it's nothing, you're you know, I'm trying to be the skeptic and trying to to trying to debunk it all, and then all of a sudden, the whoops, Now I'm scared to death. That's kind of how my mentality has always been, as I'm always more skeptical about everything. But it's same time, it's like when you've had experiences. It's hard to be a skeptic when you've experienced some stuff that shouldn't happen, right, Sorry, it changes your whole mood open. To that. Because I have a member of my family that has a little bit of clairvoyance and she knows when people are going to experience something traumatic, and she'll hear voices when it happens, and she'll immediately alert everybody, say I've heard the voices. They've called out to me, everybody needs to shelter in place, and sure enough, something terrible and it's usually in death in the family comes immediately after that. So because I've grown up with that member of my family and she has never once been wrong ever. I've always been more open to that kind of stuff, and so to me, I'm just like, yeah, this happens, it exists. Even if I didn't experience that, I absolutely believe you if you tell me you did it, because because I've experienced that with my family. Of course, I don't know how she couldn't believe it, because she has the creepiest little sister on the planet, and her adopted little sister is like I swear that girl astro projects or has a demon that balls or something to the point that she would go to her grandma's for visitation and be gone all the weekend and we would still see her running around the house. It was really creepy, and it's the creepiest kid I've ever seen in my life. She's almost sixteen now or something like that. Fourteen, well I never know other ages, but and she still like creeps me out. She's my favorite person on the planet, but she still creeps me out. And there's just something about her that is special. Well, it's just because one time, when she was about eight years old, we caught her talking to the wall and we said, honey, what are you doing? And she just very slowly turns around, and it's almost like her head mood without her body moving. That's how slow she was turning around. And she just smiled and went nothing. He can't get over that. That would creep me out too. I don't like creepy kids. Creepy kids scare me. I don't want to hear creepy kid's story. I creepy doll. I'm creepy dolls. I'm out creepy kids. I'm out. Yeah. She doesn't like Checkie, especially when I put the doll on the front porch when she moved in our new home, walked into our house for the first time at night and saw him sitting on the porch. She didn't like that. I don't mess with dolls. Well, when this would be a good segment or a segue into talking about the upcoming conference, because I'll be speaking at that and you don't like creepy kids stories or whatever, Well, I've definitely got my own personal one that I can share to creep everyone out because it's stuff that we still deal with today. That'd be good. Yeah. Yeah. The Conventions October October twenty sixth, from ten to four is open to the public free to the public. I guess it's all open to the public. We've got a lot of people coming that have already RSVP'd. We've got thirty vendors currently. We do have a small facility, so we're trying out to go too crazy, and we're trying to get people plenty of space to walk around. We have four authors, five podcasts, one bookstore, two Haunted locations, and seven investigative teams so far, all planning to attend. Oh yeah, and move On. I forgot to put moufon on there. Move On will be there. I actually I've been promoting it on most of the recent episodes. I've been promoting all the ones that I'm going to be coming up on. So I've got the Bigfoot Conference, do another one that actually just got canceled, So for anyone listening, big Foots and Bruises is not happening. But there was that one, and then there's the Pair of Unity one here in Miami County, and then. We went to it last year and we had a blast. I'll be there this year too. I'm supposed to be speaking of that one as well, So I figured for the Miami County once it was on the same road where I had my running with the Weird Thing in the Road, and I will talk about that, since it's literally a mile down the road from where the Great Thing is. And then for your guys of stuff I figured out, talking more about some of the paranormal stuff that I've dealt with. Awesome, it'll be a lot of fun. I think we have two investigative teams. I can't remember, I've got that schedule. We've got two or three podcasts talking, We've got move On talking, and we've got an investigative team talking. One of the podcasts though, is I don't think they're talking about their podcast, They're talking about their book they put out recently, Haunted Deerborn County. Is I think more what they're gonna be focused on. But so it seems like it's gonna be a lot of fun. And then we are trying to partner up with some different locations in town for people to visit afterwards, like what we're doing ghost tours downtown ourselves because we do that on Saturdays anyway. And then the Rotary Jail they I'm not sure what they're doing. They're discussing putting on an event that night or just allowing people to sign up for an event later in the month or or something not one hundred percent sure of what they're doing. I haven't got a chance to talk to them. I've been a little bit busy. We're having another committed fair that we're hosting, so I've been extremely focused on that because that's coming up in two weeks, so we're I'm trying to get that over with so that I can get more focused on the October one. But it seems like it's gonna be a lot of fun. We're gonna have a costume contest, so me. Some door prizes, and a couple of big things that we'll be giving away. With the door prizes are some investigations, so a couple of the groups are going to give away a spot on their investigation teams for certain places. Yes, so all all free for the person who wins. Yes, it sounds like a great time. And then, like I said, are you going to be at the Miami County one too? No, Unfortunately this year we are not going to be able to because we're already booked to do a talk that day. We didn't we didn't, we knew, we knew it was going to be happening. But when someone local was like, hey, can you talk that day and that's the only day they could have us, we were kind of like, we can drive up there, or we could talk local. Let's talk local. Just because we do have a local book, it is a little bit easier to sell our book whenever we do these talks. So we were disappointed in not getting to go because we have blasts. Last year when we went, it was so much fun. Yeah, it was. It was a great, great time, and it's just like we were really looking forward to going to the Big Bigfoot convention down to Nashville, and now we can't go to that because we've got other commitments. So that was disappointing as well because we really wanted to go check it out because it looked like a lot of fun as well. So we're hopeful that we'll get to go some conventions outside of our town soon. We are planning one in September to go down to Evansville. But you know, it's just when you get into this and you should get on the back end and you start being the host and doing those kinds of things, it makes it harder to get out and yeah, visit. Them I've only been to the two here in Miami County because again, I live like four miles from the area, so it's not that hard for me. It's like one road up and then a couple of miles over the The Bigfoot one in Nashville's probably my longest track, and then obviously coming down to Crawfordsville is a little distance. Was not nearly as far as Nashville, right, But no, I've signed up for several different ones. And I tried to get on Monsterfest over in Ohio and it was already completely full. And I tried to get on another one down in November it's and I think Louisville, and it was already they didn't choose me as well. Whatever, well, and it's well those things where it like they it's so I tried to reach out to specifically Indiana Podcast because I really wanted the guys in Indiana to be able to get other people to know about their podcast. We might not know. But it was really fast with booking up. It was the first two weeks after we announced it and put out the application. Oh my lord, all the people was coming out of the woodwork to have a booth. So next year, we are going to try to play on a much bigger venue so we can have a lot more people come because of them. This year we were kind of testing the waters to see how many people would want to come, what we would have, and we just kind of wanted to show the community that there's an interest in this. We just hope to keep getting bigger. Yeah, well, it was shocking, Like you know, We've had so many people r SVP that they're coming that are not vendors, that are just people wanting to come and check it out. I've been amazed because I was like, oh my lord the first year. Honestly, the first year I thought, oh, we'll get a little bit of people coming in the door, the die hard fans, but we may not get a whole lot of others. But but the amount of people talking about it and looking forward to it and hitting us up on hey, what is this happening again, it has been amazing. So we're really hoping for a really good turnout, a lot of fun. I'm hoping it doesn't get too big. You wanted to be big because you don't want it to be so big that people want to stay it outside the lines all day. But you know, it'll be a lot of fun. I'm really looking forward to it. We're really looking forward to planning the future ones. I've already got some groups that couldn't make it this year that are interested in coming next year. So I definitely want a bigger venue because I don't want to I hate discluding people. I hate telling people sorry, I don't have a space for you. I want everyone who wants to show up there to be there. And of course, I feel like, you know, being able to have podcasters and YouTubers and and things like that, people who you can meet and then go back home and listen to their stuff is like the coolest thing in the world. Especially networking with each other and having the different podcasters from the different sections of Indiana come together and be able to meet and interact with each other if you haven't already, because yeah, you might know a lot about what's going on in your area, but you don't know what's going on in this quadrant of Indiana. So being able to share those things back and forth a great opportunity. Yeah, and you know, and we've heard, we've heard from some others about hey, we should maybe start to start thinking about putting on these conventions and other parts of the state that don't have anything for those who can't make it all the way to Carbonzol or all the way down to Evansville or or all the way up to Fort Wayne area, you know. And so that's been something that's been an ongoing conversation I've now been seeing between different people when they've contacted me about Hey, we should. This is really something we need to get started in more than just one area as well as people wanting to get together. We might end up if we can get a video large enough, we may end up next year having to do panels where people can get in and really really go out it and talk to people and go on the full nine yards because it seems like something big enough and well received enough to need it. I come back like I come into this from a background of playing in bands, so I don't want to be Deabie downer, negative or whatever. But when I feel like there's a lot of the inventions going on, and like oh there's one here, and oh there's another one like forty miles away, I feel like people start to be like, well, I don't need to go to that one because I can go to the next one and then like yep, that's how it was when I played shows, like well, I don't need to go to watch your band this weekend because you're playing somewhere else in two weeks. So like it's that's the mentality I have about it. Like if it starts to be overdone, then people stop losing, like they lose the interest in it because it's not something anymore. So it's a fine balance of there has to be enough shows to keep people entertained without going crazy, and be spread out enough so that people can get to it without driving five yeah hours. Yeah, anytime you get about two hours, it starts becoming difficult for people to get there. So the hour long fifty to sixty mile radius is probably about the farthest that some people will go. But even I think with it being free, and that's what the one that they do here in Miami County, it has always been free. To my knowledge, I think that's what attracts so many people because they're curious, so they don't have to pay out. Yeah, like the Bigfoot conferences or whatever, they've been doing ticket sales, which I understand they they got to cover their cost or whatever. But I think that's part of the reason why some of them might struggle, because not everyone wants to fork over forty dollars for a ticket for the day. I guess that's kind of expensive in my opinion for something, but. Yeah, exactly, and we know there's good you know, we have a lot of vendors and a lot of people that are coming will be selling their selling their books and selling things like that, and we would much rather people come in and spend their money with those people then have to pay to get into the. Venue, right, And we were very careful about that when we set everything up. We wanted to make sure that all the costs would be covered without having to charge an individual. You know, that was very important to us was making sure that everything was cheap for the vendors as well as free for the people coming in. Is that just at the end of the day, was the most important thing, was I want people to go come in and have a good time. Yeah. So I don't have a whole lot. I've got a couple of shirts and some of the little book that I wrote, but other than that, like I'm bringing my recording stuff. So for anyone that's pops blind has something to talk about they can sit down with me and record a little segment. Yeah, and I'm sure a lot of people will want to do that because a lot of people like that kind of stuff, you know. They want to be able to talk about their experiences. They want to be able to get those things out there and feel like someone's listening to them and not just always the same people they talk to. And I think people are really going to enjoy it. I think you will see a lot of people who have never been to anything like this before that'll show up. They won't know exactly what they expect, so we're really hoping that they'll have a really good time and they'll get excited enough that they'll want us to come back and do it again next year. Yeah. Well, if it looks I've creeped around on Facebook and I've looked at the event, nice see all the people interested in, all the people saying they're attending or whatever. So if you even get like half of that, it's a good turnout. Oh yeah, So. I'll keep my fingers crossed and it ends up being really good. Because everything so far that I've seen for that one and all the other one, I'm supposed to be it looks like they're all supposed to be very well attended, so well, yea, And I. Think that was you know, that was a lot of hard work to get people aware of it, but it was definitely worth it to us to make sure people knew about it and they knew that it was going to be free, that they were going to have a good time, that we were going to differentiate between the cryptis the paranormal UFOs so that we had different things for each person who wanted. Yeah, that's probably the best route to go with. I know, like they've been doing local go FO meetings here and my talent that first happened, I was like, why I'm rude having a UFFH meetings kind of strange. But I was there back in March, and I was up in the one in Fort Wayne as I spoke at both of them, and you just meet a lot of people, Like I've talked to several different people. They come up and told me about the stuff that they've seen or whatever, And I feel like for a lot of people, it's they're not able to go out to go to work with the Hey man, I saw some crazy stuff the other night, Like you're looked at like they're crazy or funny or something you know, like right, But when you're able to go somewhere and actually sit down and talk with people that have an open mind or something like in this situation, they're more apt to listen to like someone's going to listen to them, and they feel a little bit better because sometimes people don't get to talk about this stuff, and that's all they need to do is get it off their chest. So that's why I do what I do. We have a monthly meeting at the local library here in Crawfordsville. It's called Mystery of History Club, and we get together and we talk about all of the odd and weird things that come through history. Like our first one of our first things was on Atlantis. We've talked about Oak Island, We've done the Bermuda Triangle. This month we're doing Bigfoot. And we're just going to get together and talk about everything that, you know, all our own personal research or thoughts and feelings on it and so and it's it's growing, it's getting bigger and bigger. People just really enjoy talking about these things and meeting like minded people and. Not feeling ridiculed, you know, because you do go out and you say something about you had an experience and and someone's like, oh, you're off your meds. But being able to talk to like minded individuals who are at least open to what what you've experienced is very important in any aspect where on this paranormal or we're not, it's coming totally different. You need that group to be able to talk to. And I feel like, especially locally, this is going to give the people here who may not have knew that, hey there was other people in town who was also into the stuff somewhere to go and talk to and meet each other and you know, and make a bigger field. And it's people from all backgrounds. We have former teachers, lawyers, and all kinds of people are a part of this club. Yeah. That's uh, That's one of the things I I wish that I was more involved with, Like I need to look more into like going out and meeting with people and stuff. Like I'm very anti social. It's stranger as I host a podcast and I talk to people both outside of that, Like I'm not a very talkative person. Like I go out and I do things here and there, but like I'm not a very outgoing person. To just go strike up a conversation with complete strangers on the street. I totally understand that because I am extremely anti social, I have agoraphobia, and I literally won't leave the house unless she makes me. And so doing these conventions and doing these talks like she's got one schedule for me to do one hundred percent by myself, which never happened. She always is right here beside me to keep me calm. Is like the biggest thing I'm afraid of for the entire year. But it also has been so fun to do and meet people that I would have never talked to in my life, because I would have never had the courage to walk up and talk to them just because I've missed not that person. Even to the point where I work, there's a lady there who is a huge Bigfoot fan. She loves Blurry Creatures, the podcast. He's obsessed with it. And I would have never known that she was into this stuff. But when we wrote our book, a lot of people in town met, you know, knew our names, and they're like, hey, so and so wrote a book, and she stopped me and started talking to me about it, and it allowed me to have a conversation and a friendship with someone I would have never spoken to. And I literally she had worked here for over a year. I never talked to her the entire time because I just that type of person. I'm extremely anti social, but this field definitely brings that rare. I mean, you can you can meet people and talk to people and still be in your own little bubble at the same time. And i'd share podcasting helps with that when you talk through a computer and I'll have to be face to face. Who thought bring us all together? Well? I actually the reason I did this. I just did one Sunday, but I'm actually doing it in face to face interviews now in this little studio. So there's a few people from my local area that I somewhat know them, and I'm going to let them come over. But I'm not going to random strangers off the internet and know where I live. Oh yeah, definitely nobody wants that, you know, what could happen. That's why you need a nice public venue. For If I didn't live where my studio area is, then it would be a little different if I had like my own little off the wall place and sure, but no, this is still where I live. I don't want everyone knowing where I. Live, right, Yeah, that's always one of those things where you got to protect that. You don't want everybody to you, just because as soon as you get one person that finds out they got to troy you. We've had people contact us and ask if they could buy a copy of our book off of us, and then I've had to stop him from giving out our address and tell him, how about we'll go meet them someplace. Don't tell them where we live. I forget because in the community, you know, a lot of people know us because she works at the library and I worked for the local government for over twenty years, and so a lot of people know us. So I forget, Oh, not everybody knows where we live. We shouldn't get that race. She's just out Willie Lilly, and it's like our phone number. She's like, don't give our phone number out except to certain people. So I was very hesitant on like, oh, should I give my phone number out to the vendors or not? And I recently I think I sent everyone in my phone numbers. So just because I'm like I should do this. I got business cards made up and I was almost tempted to put my number on there. Then I was like, you know what, I don't want to give out business cards and random people calling me because I don't know who they are because I'm terrible with answering the phone. But that's one of those things. It's like, how do you like for me? I have all these cards, I had like a thousand cards printed up, but I'm not the type of person who walks up to random people and like here have a business card, Like this is like not what I do. So we put them on our table and a lot of people come might pick them up. Of course, ours just has our website, our Facebook, and our and our personal the email for our our group to get a hold of us, and we get a lot of messages that way, and a lot of people pick up the cards there. We also put a card in every one of our books that we sell that we sell ourselves, so that they have our card that way, And you know, just one of those things where it's hard to do it when you don't want to just get stuff out to people. She's better at that than I am. She's much more like here's my card, and I'm like, don't talk. To me, or you know, if you're trying to schedule something with somebody, instead of saying, hey, let's do this on August twenty first or whatever, say I'm gonna write that down for you, and write it down on the back of your card. And my card's double situs, I don't really have anything to write on. I made the mistake. I have a QR code on the back I want you can see it, but there's a black dot over now because I apparently when I made the card and the QR code that takes them to my website, they expected me to pay ten dollars a month for that QR code to work. Well, that's crazy, So I. Didn't pay it. So it started taking them to like the domain place for them where you're supposed to go in there and pay for it. So I just I've had to go through a thousand business cards now and put a black splotch over the card because I refuse to pay ten dollars a month for that to be active. I feel your pain. I printed our first business cards and I put the wrong email on them, and it's not even the email we have. I some reasons that I put gmails out of Yahoo and so I had to literally go through and buy a whole new box of business cards. Just because I did that. I was kicking myself, like, I know they're not that expensive, there's still money I wasted. Yeah, so I'm almost finished, Like I think I probably will have to restock on some of the larger sizes of shirts because for some reason, everyone wanted like extra larger two X or three X. I was like, I didn't. We're very well, we're like two three x's and I've been asked for like five people that wanted three xs. So I sold out of them like in the first week. So I was like, I got to restock on stuff before I even go out to these shows because I don't even have a lot of the sizes that I was going with. Well, we found in this field from talking to different people who do merchandising, the the XL is the most popular size and two X is the second most popular size. Yeah, and I guess we're just all fat. That's why I wear a two X. But so I've I've got a couple of two x's left, but I don't have any three X And someone asked me if I had a four X. I was like, I didn't even order one of those, because those are they're like thirteen dollars just for the shirt A loan plus printed on so. I feel your pain. I wear a four x S. A lot of people will upsize of a few dollars that if you if you go higher this. Well, actually a lot of now a lot of places have gone over a two X. They'll charge an additional fee for up to a three X and charge of another fee to go up at a four X. Where I order my shirts from, anything over a extra large is up charge. So there's a couple of dollars for two X, there's a couple more dollars for three X. Like it just every size up is like an additional two to three dollars. Yeah, I've noticed a lot of people will they'll transpose that over to the customer in that way, they're not eating it in their profit, and. I think most people are used to that. Yeah. We figured that out with our books real quick. When we were selling our books. At first we were we were under selling them, and and then depending on the time of the year, when I buy the books from the publisher, they change in price, and so I figured out real quick, oh, I need to just sell them for what the book says. Otherwise I'm eating money. Yeah that I need to get a copy of the book from you guys when I'm down there, because people that I've interviewed, I'm trying to get copies of all their books and I'm keeping them all here too, And like you were supposed. To receive one. If you've not got it, I will contact the publisher. All the podcasts that we've done received we're supposed to receive one from the publisher free charge. Yeah, I've never gotten anything. Yeah, I will. I will reach out to them and make sure they send it over. I'll have to get your information again if I don't have it. Do you have a box or anything like that. No, but I can send you my address to the email. It's not a big deal. Yeah, because all the podcasts are supposed to have it. I might have overlooked. It's been crazy, but yeah, because that was one of the big things is with our publisher was great. Was is any media that we do. They automatically get a free book from the publisher, which is great because it's like, yeah, they should get our book. Yeah. Now, I never received anything far as I know, Like I get the mill every day, and I've never gotten anything, so but I have got I have gotten a few books from some of the people that I've interviewed. I've actually they send me digital copies. I prefer to have the printed version, just because me too, I'm the type of person I'd rather have. It's like, can sit here and see it. We'll make sure that that gets done so you can get a copy of it. Would you like to let every everyone know a little bit more about the book before we wrap this one up. Yeah. You can pick our book up on Amazon, at Barnes and Nobles. Look Indiana stores. A lot of them have it in stock on the shelf, but if you don't, you get on their website. You can get it pretty much on any book selling website. If they sell books, they have our book. We'll have books at the convention that you can buy that will be signed if you want them signed. Some people don't. I don't know why, but some people don't want them sign but we were happy to sign them for you free of charge. We don't charge for signing. But our book is about all the legends and the ghosts of Crawfordzill. We really made sure to document everything so ninety five percent of what's in that book. You will see an article or a book or something related that I have referenced in the book so that you can you can actually see that this is documented evidence. This isn't just somebody telling me a story. I literally have the documents from the newspapers from the eighteen hundreds, of the early nineteen hundreds of these sightings happening. And as well as we did a real good job of trying to get all the local legends to Conferenceville, all those urban legends that we were terrified of as a child, We put them in there, and you know, gave every detail we could about the stories kind of thing. So it's been a lot of interesting because for some reason, some of that stuff hasn't translated to the new youth of Crawfordsville, so they've been fascinated with all these stories that we grew up with. It is two hundred years of history of Crawfordsville. There's a couple stories of some of the outskirts of Crawfordsville, but it mainly hits just the city. The next book, we're going to focus on more Montgomery County and tell that the outer areas but also as a deep dive into the history of spiritualist. I'm here in Montgomery County because it was a very big thing and it thrived in this county, even when surrounding counties it did not take off. And so that is what it is. It is a history of spiritualism, paranormal cryptids, and things of Crawfordsville for the past two hundred years. I will make sure everyone listening to include a link to where they can pick it up at. We appreciate that. Well, if there's anything else, we can talk about it. But if you guys are good, we can probably wrap this one up. And they're good. I think we talked about a lot. Now. We're looking forward to seeing you down in Converge so soon. Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to being there. If you haven't looked into it yet, I think they're still looking for vendors for the twenty twenty five Evansville Horror con So I know that's kind of far away. Yeah, it's pretty big. It's it's in a giant convention center. Yes, so they had several thousand people there. We go there a lot. We go to the Raptor on the horror because it's just amazing the people that are there and all the different people who are talking. And last time we went down and met Jason Hawes from Taps. Yeah, and so that was a lot of fun. We went because ve Neal was going to be there, and I don't know if you know who she is, but she is an iconic Hollywood makeup artist. She did like the makeup for Beetlejuice, Okay, Pired to the Caribbean and stuff like that, and I just absolutely love her. She just to have a show on the sci Fi channel called Face Off. Oh yeah, I remember that show. Yeah, So we went down there to see her and then, yeah, it. Was it was huge. Beetlejuice is one of my wife's favorites. So I can't wait for the new movie. She's super excited. It comes out right before her birthday, so I know what I'm doing her birthday weekend. Hey, that's an easy birthday. Well, I also just found this out before her birthday. By the time this sends up, Aaron should be right around the same time, but he's wearing a Colts hoodie. I'm wearing a Colts had. My son plays football. He's in sixth grade, and we found out that he's going to be playing at Lucas Oil Stadium again this year. Awesome. He didn't they played last year like every so many years, they let the kids come in there and play. But he broke his wrist last year. Oh so Risk got broke during football, so he didn't get to play at Lucas Oil. He was there, we took him, but he didn't actually get to play. So I'm hoping he don't break anything this year and he actually gets to play at Lucas Oil because that's a cool thing for him, because he loves football. He used to love the Colts and everything. Now he's a Ravens fan for some reason I don't know. My niece plays soccer and her freshman year as a freshman, she was the first and only freshman in her school to be invited to play on the varsity soccer team. She is She's amazing, she is so good. One week into school, she broke her leg, so she did not get to play. So she is very excited this year to be playing. Yeah, he broke his wrists in the second game last year and then I felt bad because I told him, suck it up, get back out there. You're fine. No, his wrist was broken. Oh I know how that is. I blew my shoulder out, ripped my shoulder completely in half, and my dad told me to get back on the on the court and literally put my shoulder the sock, put the socket back before me on the bench, and taped up my shoulder and put me right back in the game with a torn rotor cup. I just just dislocated that shoulder. You know, we grew up at a time where that was likely to happen. I've got scars on my legs and on my elbows and stuff that probably needed stitches, and I never went and got stitches. And I remember I broke my arm and I cried for about seve an hour forever got taken to the doctor because I was fine. So that's just that's the era that we grew up in. Is like, no, rub some dirt on it. You. My father broke his leg bowling. He went to go throw the ball down the lane and forgot to let go of the ball and just threw himself down the lane and he ended up breaking his leg. And he finished the game and went home, didn't It wasn't until the next morning when my mom saw it and she's like, why did you not go to the hospital. He's like, I thought I was fine. You know, it's definitely a different age, you know what it is nowadays now being in the hospital for every little nookie. Yeah, there's there's always something going on, especially this house. But I got four kids, so there's it's it's chaotic. I'm the oldest of seven. Yeah, it's a mess. Well, guys, have a good evening. Thanks for having. Yeah, it's been a pleasure. And again for anyone listening, make sure to check out the link in the show notes forget a copy of the book. And on October twenty sixth, if you're around Crawfordsville, Indiana, if you want to make the trip up, make sure to check it out because it's free to the public. Sounds great. Well, thank you guys, and I hope you have a good night. Yep, we'll see it. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoiltels, remember to send an email to Tenfoiltales podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth, lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make. Stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Goodnight, everyone turns hot tails and the headphones. Yeah, it's turn to rock. Got a story about a cryptic creature. Let's take a walk. Big foot talk. Then they're out there in the dark, but the truth is out there liking me. It's bark. Ufo sightings. Got the whole. World show. Conspiracies and phones like a story in the book. Me control trying to. Keep us by. We're all gonna use the whole mind. In history. They don't want us to know the secrets they hideth they want show, so they don't society. 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