Ep. 136: The Occult Detective

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. Tonight we're gonna be joined by my guest, Bob Freeman. He's also known as the Occult Detective. He's joining me live here tonight in the Nice studio. Definitely looking forward to talk with him, dive into a lot of things here. 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When I was younger in my twenties, I had the opportunity to help out the local dn R on a few cases, and then I worked on a case with the police in Muncie after a there was a homicide and the killer had left a mark on the window and they didn't know what that was. I was at Ball State University at the time and my specialty was witchcraft, magic and religion, and so when they came and asked the anthropology department if they knew what the symbol was, they had me check it out. And so, yeah, I guess that's kind of how it all came to be. And I write a cult detective fiction as well, so it just seemed to stick. This is something even been doing for how many years now? Oh, I mean really my whole life. But I formed my first paranormal group in nineteen eighty. Three, so yeah, quite a few years. Ouber forty now, the year before I was born. Yeah, right. We started it in high school. Junior in high school when we started, and I mean, unless you want to go way back, we had a we had a ghost hunting group in elementary school. We called ourselves the Monster Squad, and we used to go around sneak into abandoned houses and old barns, just looking for ghosts and monsters and all that kind of stuff. So I just grew up with it. You know, there's so many like urban legends and stuff around where we live in the here and the you know, the the Midwest, you know, north central Indiana. In the cornfields exactly. And I mean it's just like so when I was growing up, it was the seventies, right, and so the Exorcists had come out Rosemary's Baby. It was just the occult was everywhere, and so whenever you go to a babysitter's house or whatever, the teenagers were doing seances, wed you boy, all that stuff, and you know, you're a little kid, you're right, and just you're sucked into all that stuff. So I was just obsessed at a very early. Age and just an insane attraction to magic, the occult and all those kind of strange monsters and such. You know, it's kind of what we're talking about alf airs. How as a young kid I was with Godzilla and and Gong and everything else, Like there's certain things that interest you, and then when I grew up, I just had a love for all sorts of monsters. I think that's why I'm a big fan of looking at a cryptis, because just the weird attraction to them from just at a young age. And I think in a way that that early attraction that you have when you're young, like that just the way the universe works, you end up attracting that sort of stuff to you, right because you just you know, synchronicity has just worked that way, and if you put yourself out there in the universe, than the universe answers. And I've begin to start to realize that some of the things that I do may have impacts on some of the things that I see or do too, because I think once you start looking into things, they do kind of i'd kind of look back and exactly. Yeah. Someone warned me about that when I first started this show, that when you start looking into things, sometimes the things start looking back at you. And I was like, well, that's kind of like quoting Nietzsche or whatever it's pronounced as. But yeah, I think there's some truth to that. I think there is too, and that. I mean, I've spent so many years, you know, ghost hunting and such, you know, and you just you know, you'll go to a site and it's almost like the you attract the spirits. Like there's this place I host ghost houts at, and I'll get everybody started. I'll show them around the place, tell them all the stories, and then I cut them loose and I'll stay downstairs while they're investigating on the floors above me. An hour might go by and then they come down and say, it's dead, nothing's happening, that's all all right, hang on. I go upstairs and within five minutes you start hearing knocks that struck moving around. They're comfortable with me, and they they'll come out to play and then okay, there you guys go and then it'll be crazy act of the rest of the night. So yeah, I mean some people just kind of have that appeal. And well that's another thing. I guess we're just gonna bounce all over the place here. One of the things I think that most paranormal investigators you know, kind of. And air at, is that. You can't really bounce from on the location to haunted location. You know, like a like a weekend warrior kind of thing. You really might need to settle down in a place like this place I'm talking about that I host that I've been investigating there since two thousand and six, almost every weekend, and so that's how you get to know what's going on there. Otherwise it's all just superficial. So is that the place that's I don't want to say to town, but like, well I used to live where you live at. Yeah, that's the most commonplace I hear about from you exactly. We're not allowed to discuss that it's a confidential location, but you know, anybody can reach out to me. Again, you just have to agree not to Ryan. I mean, you can take video, you can take pictures. You just have to make sure you're careful not to give away the location, right. No, I've heard about some stuff when we lived there, kind of about how that place was supposed to be haunted, but I never looked into it because I've never been an avid hunter. I guess you want to call it like I'm I wanted too, but at the same time, I've just never i'd done it because I'm still somewhat hesitanting about the whole thing because I'm apparentoid type of a person. So it's not that I'm afraid of something bothering me. I'm just afraid of bringing something back with me. Sure, I mean, there's there are things you can do to protect yourself from that, but yeah, I understand completely. Some people just are ready for that, you know, because I've brought stuff home with me before. I can remember one night I was sitting now. I had a shack, you know, similar to what we're sitting in right now, and I had a full of books and it's where I used to write my novels. And I'm sitting there one night and i hear the door open behind me, and I'm still typing away. I'm assuming it's my wife, maybe my son. It's one am and then I feel breath on the back of my neck, and then I feel a hand on my shoulder, and then I'm sure it's my wife, and I turn and look and there's nobody there, and so I go, Okay, I brought something home to go to work, trying to you know, send it back. But those things happen, and that's just been my fear beforehand, Like before I was had kids or anything like it, I didn't really think too much about stuff like that. But now that I have a family, it's kind of like, eh, I don't want to press that button these days, right exactly. It's the last thing you want to do is is put your family in harm's way. So sometimes spirits can be you know. That's why I moved out here to get out of the house because sometimes I'm thinking that some of the weird things have happened. Maybe it's because I've talked about things or opened up something unintentionally and brought it around, So who knows, Sure, keep it keep it here, all right. The other day I was I have security cameras set up in here, and they're motion detected, so they'll start recording there's something, and I wasn't at home but my phone goes off and it picks up a shadow moving, but it also picked up that shirt on the wall started to move, So I'm thinking it was because that must have kicked on the air conditioner. Maybe if kicked on, okay, but it's never done that before or after. I mean, so it's just kind of strange that it's only done at one time in the last three weeks that I've had all this set up out here, Right, you would think that every time that kicked on, it would do that. Did that react, right, And it's never done that. Yeah, so it would lead me to think that. Yeah, So for me, it's just like I'm going to write it off as explainable, but at the same time it's not really I can't say one way or the other. All right, Well, you know, keep an eye on it. And I got a notification yesterday and it was just again, it picked up a shadow moving and that was it. There was nothing. The air conditioner hasn't been on. It wasn't because of that, So what made the battle? Right? Yeah, Like, there's no there's no light right in here to speak of now, so I've got pretty much curtains up on the window, so I don't know what have made the shadow, but you can see the shadow just gets like the right here on the corner of the desk. It just gets brighter like the curtain and moved. But that's not been on because it has the needs to be on. So out of curiosity sake, what was the show you did right before that it happened you remember, m Yeah, it was. The the. It's actually from Cocomo, the rural Ariel, my friend Ariel. She said she used to live in a haunted house in Cocomo. Okay, And the very next day, I'm getting that Okay, yeah that so, yeah, that's why I said, this is why I come out here because of things that we talk about. I don't want it in my own house. Yeah, I understand completely. I think you made made made a wife's decision on that. So but no, we talked last Sunday about her coming out and she talked about how she grew up in this haunted house. She called it the the Hall House or the demon house on Boulevard. Really. Yeah, so I actually know exactly where the house is because I have family. My daughter ironically went and stayed at my aunt's house, who lives not too far from there, just a couple houses down. As I got strange, we're coincidence. Yeah, that is strange. So does somebody live in the house now? Yeah, I don't know. She's never talked to any I'd give her the suggestion to maybe write a letter d mail of the letter. I said, if you don't want to go in person, mail of my letter, see if Familia Bag give him an email address to Emilion. I mean, I'd love I'd love to go check the place out, you know. Yeah, tunity came up. I mean, it's kind of what I do now when it comes to local stuff. I'm always curious about it. But at the same time, it's like, I don't know, I don't want to push the vibe too much. Yeah, sure, just because like I just meant, I don't want to bring something back well, you know. And I can remember one time I had a novel out and I was doing the book signing tour and I've set up, you know, signing autographs and such, and and this woman walks up to me and she says, do you do extra systems? And I'm like, well, I can, but I mean I need to know more about what you're talking about. You know what's going on with you. And so she starts telling me a story about her husband who's behavior has changed, and you know, she thinks he's possessed. And I said, well, look, i'd have to speak to him, I'd have to have permission, but you should probably look into a psychiatrist first. I mean, you need to go down that avenue. Don't just jump to the conclusion. So this went on. I had given her my number. She called me and asked me could I please come, And so I said, I'll come and I'll talk to him. I'll just have a conversation with him, you know, nothing more than that. So I show up on their doorstep, and you know, I asked if I could come in. He said no. I said, well, your wife was concerned and she thought maybe we could have a talk. And I'm not interested in speaking to you. Okay, nothing I can do there, all right, So I leave and, like a couple of days later, commit suicide. So I mean that was, you know, gut wrenching for me because you second guess everything. Right, should I have done more? Should I have done? Lets us right? You know, I just I mean I didn't discuss anything supernatural with the guy. But at the same time, this woman was reaching out for help, and you know, this was you know, twenty years ago, but that's always in the back of my mind, just you know, what could I have done differently? And you know it just yeah, that's one of those situations to where you're always going to wonder if you could have done more or less or anything like that. So right, I don't want to dive into a new ad on air, but there was a situation that I felt like that happened years ago that could have been maybe a little different if I would have done something. I don't know. But at the same time, it's like I wasn't even around, so I couldn't have prevented certain things to happen. But at the same times, like you kind of feel like one of the last things you said to somebody and then a few days later they're not here anymore, and you're just kind of like, man, he had all that regret After a long time, my brother passed away, you know, last year, almost exactly a year ago, a couple of weeks away, and yeah, well I beat myself up over that quite a bit because I could have done more there, I like, but then again that the other person has to be receptive. So now it's one of those things like there's not much anyone can do about it at that point, and then you just as much as it sucks, it's just kind of like one of those regrets that you're going to have. Right. But I know when we talked in person back in I think March, for the in one of the local UFO meetings, you'd mentioned that there was some weird instances happening not too far from here, because that night I took my son and my friend and we went out looking for these flying humanoids I've mentioned on in a couple episodes that someone had told me about them. So I went to those areas. We drove around, and I obviously didn't say anying besides a bunch of deer raccoon. But that's the one instance that I wanted to go out looking for him. I told my eleven year old, like, Hey, I'm gonna usually as bait tonight. He's like, what it's like, I want to have you get out and you stand here, we'll see what happens. He wouldn't get out of the truck. That's great. Yeah, it's you know, being what I do I get calls and uh, in fact, I just talked to two people here in the last week over things. So the instant that we had discussed was, you know, the it's been a year ago, just or not quite. Maybe it was in the winter. And yeah, two separate women within a week called and reported these. Well, the first woman said she was driving across a local bridge and she saw a figure standing in the middle of the She thought it was a man wearing a trench coat, and so she slows down and he's not moving, so she stops, and then the coat opens up and it kind of looked like wings, and then he just flies straight up in the air, and so. I, okay, that's released. That's interesting. So I've driven across that bridge one hundred times since, you know, right, But uh, And then like a week after that, another woman calls it said she was driving near that same area and as she's driving by, she sees what she thinks is a man standing against a tree, just kind of leaning up against it off the side of the road, and then all of a sudden, he's kind of slides up the tree. No wings or anything, but just like he slides up the tree like he's you know, levitating up it back against it. So yeah, that's odd. And then. Just this past week, I had somebody who was out in another area, again not too far from that bridge, but in west of where that was, and they saw a figure out like one of the little hunting trails they were back on. There was a guy out scouting around trying to decide where he was gonna hunt, and he saw up just a dark figure in the woods watching him and like red reflective eyes this way he described it. And then it kind of made itself bigger, and he got the impression that it had these big wings. So again, you know, it's like, okay, it kind of ties into that other. And then the other call I got this a few days ago, was a woman and her husband and son were out at one of the most sacred sights in this part of the country. They were out there for a hike and they saw these little people. She described them as squirrelmen, okay, short little gray furred people. It looked like the fur of a squirrel, and they started throwing rocks at her and her son, and so they kind of got freaked out, and she's like moving along the river bank trying to get away from them, and then she almost runs into a guy right in front of her in full Indian dress and you know, long hair, weathered, dark skin, and she says, oh, excuse me, and he held up his. Left hand. And nods at her, and she steps around him and when she looks over her shoulder, there's nobody there. Her son was a few yards in front of her, and he stopped and said, hey, are you okay well, and she goes, yeah, yeah, and he goes, what are you talking to? There's nothing there, So he saw the whole thing, but he didn't see the Indian figure. So that's weird connection. Now. Of course that area is known for well what the Miami Indians called the pasa, which are like little people, and some people call him uh puckwodgeez or that's what I was thinking of what you said, Yeah, exactly, so that's what. There's a place not far away from that the kids called. Hobbit Land right bene that a few times. Yeah, hobbit Land is just a magical place. I've been going out there since I was a kid. When I was really little, like maybe eight years old. There were these guys in Converse where in the tower from uh who had said they caught one and had it in a bird cage down at the local trailer park in like a garage that was down there. So we're like, oh, you didn't we what they caught one of the little people. So we go down and the guy who was say, hey, you got a lot to see this thing. So, you know, the guy takes us out there, opens it up and the bird cage is in there, but it has been ripped to pieces and said, oh it escaped, you know, So you know they pull on a little kid's leg or did they catch one? I you know, who's to say, But I've always wondered about that because and I've mentioned it on recent episodes. But when I was about eight, there was something that was down in the ditch line between my parents' house and my grandparents' house we always called the gully, and my cousins and I went down there, and for whatever reason, they wanted to throw rocks at this mound we found and this little thing of her rudy out. I don't know what it was. I just seen somebody running and I ran and we all ran in screen because we were like little kids. They swore it was a goblin and I don't know. I just know I thought as I got older, like it had to have been like an animal, like a small brad or a musk grand house swamp, but a muskrat or apostle, who knows what it was like. They were adamant it looked like a goblin, all right. So during the pandemic, probably the biggest thing in High Strangeness was hellier m all right. So for me watching it, it reminded me very much of my childhood growing up. You know. The way they were going out and investigating things. The weird stuff that was happening reminded me of when I was like late teens, early twenties, same kind of stuff. So they start talking about these goblins. They start talking about Somerset, Kentucky, right, and goblins around Somerset. And I'm like, and there's a summer set right out here with goblins, right, you know, it's just like a weird connection. So I'm talking about this with one of my friends in England and I'm mentioning Somerset and goblins and he thinks I'm talking about the summerset in England and the goblins there. Right. It's just like it's a weird synchronicity. The Summerset that's around here, that was the actual town that was under the now lake, wasn't it. That's the town they had to move. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so the Summerset that you know is yeah, it's just it was transplanted. I wondered, did they transplant the graves and stuff too, or they leave those under the water. They supposedly they moved them, but you know they didn't move them all now, right, And when the water's down out there, that's the best time to go out and explore because there's caves out there that you can go into. What's the waters down and you see the foundations of the old building. You can go out to where the old graveyard was and yeah it's then there's the you know of a stray marker you'll see now. And then that to me is the heart of all the high strangeness in this area. You know, Somerset was always a place where, you know, it was like an almost like an artist's community, right, so people would come there during this fall. Poets would be writing poetry about the area. You know, Painters came out and painted to all that area. So it just attracted people because it had a mystical quality about it, and there were you know, all kinds of psychics and stuff that that moved in and around that area at that time. And then yeah, well what was the reasonings, like the official reasoning as to why they wanted to basically relocate it so they could build the dam and flood it over because of flooding Peru basically right Uru would get flooded out, and so they built the dam to protect that seat. When that they build the damos the sixties was sixty six, I don't remember I was born. I don't really ever hear about flooding in town though, well not now, well like even like before then, like unless they've done stuff that they don't talk about. But you never really hear about a lot of floods in Groom if you, if you did deep, you can find it. There were a couple of big floods. But still. I hate that they did it. The weird thing is is where they built the dam. They build it on top of seven Artesian wells that were in a row, this holy magical place where they there were, and they build it right on top of the dam or right on top of those wells. So the dam is a mess because that water is still coming up, right, and it's slowly eating away at it, and that dam is going to come down at some point because of it. They're going to have to completely rebuild it. But I always wondered did they do that on purpose? Was there some mystical trying to rap it off? Yeah, trying to stop because this is an area of extremely high strangeness. I mean, it just it is. You've had experiences here. I've had experiences here. You know. I could talk about the you know, the werewolves that we ran into Alvaloud Goose Creek, the weird hevens that used to be in this area and perform all kinds of strange magic. You'd run into them at times, and they were pretty sinister, you know. And this was back during the Satanic panic, right too, Right, So just so many things, and I just always wondered if the government did that on purpose, trying to quell whatever was going on here. I just know from people that I've talked to that were older, and by older, I mean they're probably in their eighties now, right, they talked about during the fifties and sixties, there's a lot of crazy stuff that used to go on around this town that they said because with the base being closed and then they had the train tracks or whatever. Like they said, there's a lot of weird things that used to happen, especially just on the south side of town, they claim. I think this is even back in the the era of when prohibition. Supposedly somebody from Chicago's like mafia thing had a house just on the south side of Peru, right on the other side of the river, and that's where they used to have all their liquor. They used to be smuggling through there, and they used to smuggle a lot of stuff. And I know exactly where the house is because they're supposedly hidden trails that go through the woods that come out to the back of escape hatches for where the police would come out and raid. So there's all sorts of weird little lores from mo town just to tie into that. Not too far away from there, you know, like out in the oak Upanoki. Yeah, that's where the Chicago mob used to come down and bury bodies, right, they come, all, we'll be down here, bury them all in those woods. So you know which ok is literally just about five miles from that whole location too, right. We actually talked about that on a recent My moth Man episode, that you can't even get back there anymore. Yeah, they've got it all. They had that random murder that was back there twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen or something. Ever since then they'd shut it down, which I used to go camping out there. Well yeah, sure, yeah, but I remember. See, Okay, I'm old enough that you know, I predate internet ghost honey or TV ghost honey. And growing up where I did, we didn't have cable or anything, right, so I didn't know that stuff even existed. Really. But I'm out at ok Pinocchi one night, you know, going out to do my thing, and there's the two guys out there, and I said, hey, how's it go on? You know, what do you guys do? Or we're hunting ghosts? Oh yeah, yeah, well it's I never ran into other ghost hutters anywhere but a taboo back then. Yeah, and there they've got these strange devices. What it was that, well, this is a K two meter, you know, you know, like on ghost hutters. What the hell's ghost hutters? So they say, yeah, it's a show that's on TV. Is how they hunt. So okay, well that's weird, all right. Two weeks later, I'm out at hobbit Land doing the same thing that I've always been doing, and there's like four people out there. It's like, hey, how's it going. What are you guys doing? We're out on ghosts and they've got k k two meters and stuff. Also it's like, oh, okay, let's you know, and now you can't throw a rock and not hit people that hunt ghosts. Yeah, they're everywhere. It's become more commercialized. Yeah, I mean like TikTok and you too, and it's just full of X sort of thing, you know. And some people are forthright and you know, fighting the good fight, and some people are in it for money and facing stuff, and so it's a it's a weird mindfield that you've got to go through. That's kind of how it is. Was. I think everything at this point, like even your cryptied people, your UFO people, like everyone's got their thing to sell. Yeah, sure, I get it. You love something and you want to try and like make money off of it, right, it makes sense, you know. That's what they always tell you. Find out what you love, make that your career. That kind of thing. But some people take it a little far. And you can tell when people are disingenuous. And it's yeah, for me, any money I make off the podcast is literally covering, rightments, I don't make money. I'm still like in the negatives. Yeah right, Well, look, I've been doing this, you know for forty some years. I'm in the hole, a deep hole, you know, that's okay. Uh, It's like, what the all the equipment I've invested in for just recording purposes, that seven thousand dollars barn that I'm paying for, like and all the extra stuff I've had to put in this, Like, I'm in pretty deep. Yeah, but you know what, it's because you love it, right, you know. Yeah, so I never I try not to worry about it too much. What I don't do is I don't I don't pay to go hunt places. You know. That's like people are always saying, hey, you should go to Waverley. Yeah, that pvice is really haunted. I said, well, I've been to Waverley. Back when we used to like snake our waist through the fence and go into the place back you know, before it. Was a location. You know that people paid for that same way with, you know, like all these places and now charge money. It's like I've been there, you know, but back before it was a thing, I was like a cottage industry. The first time I ever heard Waverley, I was thinking they were talking about the little town over here. Oh yeah, New Waverley. I'm like, there's a lot of place over there. And then I was like, oh, Waverley Hills down on It's Kentucky, isn't it. Yeah. Yeah, And but there's a lot of places I've seen on those TV shows and everything. I was like, I'd actually love to go there, but I don't want to go with a bunch of people, right, it defeats a purpose. Okay, like the location that that I host thinks that we're there one night and I won't meet the group. But they're a large organization and they had booked it for the weekend and they said, I said, how many people? Skep, No, we'll probably have ten fifteen, Okay, all right, we can we can deal with that. So they show up there's like four people, right, Okay, again, it doesn't matter. You know, we didn't charge the money, but so that we started investigating, you know, and they were talking about how they just had a meeting and people were, uh, they didn't want to come out, and well stuff started really ramping up, I mean very serious. Uh, And. Within forty five minutes, I had thirty six people there because they called, got on their phones, called, hey, don't believe what's happening here. They got all their members. They all just flooded into that place. And you guys are ridiculous. You're not gonna get anything every I mean, with that many people walking around, you're not gonna get any EVP. You're you know, you're gonna scare off whatever. But so many people I've always thought they're gonna get noise pollution exactly. It's it's always I've always thought three people max were the best. You know, if you're just wanting to have a good time with your friends, you know, six eight, ten people, you know, okay, fine, but don't you're not You're not there collecting evidence, You're just there having fun. Now, the shows that have like camera crews of follow them and everything, I'm like, you're having so many extra people out there that you're literally contaminating things just by having the extra people. Right, It's and I get it. I like it. When they do it where they're they're their own cameraman, then you at least you know you know. And I've watched so many of those shows now I can tell you which ones you know, I you know, I I believe in Which ones I know are just kind of. I think a lot of it's made for TV these days. Yeah, and it has to be it's a video, they're they're in it for entertainment purposes. That's where I've struggled when it comes even with this show is I have talked with another podcaster and the explain like, regardless of how I see it, Like the whole monetizing the podcast, It's basically like when I was in a band and I'd go and play a show, did we get paid? Like, well no, I was like, we're supposed to it. We didn't have the time. But he said, you're still performing at a place. You're a form of entertainment. You're providing people something to listen to. Even though you're seeing as differently, it's still a form of entertainment. So it's hard for me to accept that. But like when people listen to these shows, they hear these random ads. I hate the ads. Yeah, Like I hate the commercials and everything. But like just as people watch TV, you see commercials, you hear them on random radio stations. Like it's just it's the way it goes, right, you're not your own radio staate. So those you know, those people, they have to make money. It's like when people complain about ads on YouTube. All right, they they've got people they got to pay, you know, they've got those massive servers that are hosting that stuff. They've got to make money somehow, right, And the way people think now everything needs to be free, right, there's nothing free? How can there be? I mean how you know it's it's we were talking about bands. How do bands make it today? Yeah? I mean there's no record record sales. It used to be okay, they'll get the you know whatever, you know venue. You know, they're taking money at the door, they're selling merch. But now the quote unquote record labels are demanding a cut of all. That, right, I don't I don't know how they do now. Venues My other podcast while we're doing it was the music related one, and venues today are taking merch cuts. Yeah. Like that to me is like you didn't pay anything from getting this stuff designed, printed, selling it, and now you want to take twenty percent of a merch sale through that. Yeah, no, that's yeah, that's I haven't done music stuff since the pandemic, and I miss it, But at the same time I don't just because of how it sounds. It's gotten to the point of being like it's more of a headache than it is. That's why I do the podcast now, like I have to have some sort of creative outlet, right, it's a it's a good avenue for it. Now you mentioned the werewolves. We talked a little bit about this before, but definitely when I'm let the audience hear about that. Yeah, okay. So there's a place called Goose Creek and when we were kids, we used to go out there and perform Magic Richards And it's this road that used to go across and up this hill. But because of the reservoir, it's it's most of the time it's underwater. Right, So about October, all the waters down the road's still there. It's exposed when. The water drops, and there used to be a bridge ridges gone, so it's like this big chasm. So we'd go out there and. And there's these dead trees sticking up out of the water that just like look really creepy. It's just a great place. So one year we went out to revisit the place, and this was back in b D seven maybe. And. We're out there on that road where we had once, you know, had a big magic circle. We're looking back from the way we came and we see these like red lights in the woods, low like reflective, you know, and there was a full moon out right, So just what the hell is that creeping us out? You know? So we started walking towards it, and if we get closer, we can see these hulking dark shapes and they start growling, and he knows and holy crap, a pack of wolves, you know what here? You know, it's like And so of course I'm gonna tell you Ray, stay calm. Let's just move up the road and get away from him. And then one of the guys we're with, he just scared. He bolts running, and those figures they come charging out of the woods at us, growling, right, So we'd all turn and we're running up this road and you can hear them right on you you don't dare look back, and there's a barricade at the top of this road and we're jumping over it, running, climbing in the car. Curer, there's nothing there, but it was to all of us. They were wolves larger, you know. And so they'll tell you that there are no wolves here where we live, but we know better. We've seen tracks out along the trails. I mean, they tell you there are no big cats either, but people have caught them on the trail on the trail cams. And a guy with the DNR told me, well, wherever there are mountain lions, there are wolves because the wolves will come in follow the big cats around. Cats will take a kill, and then they'll move in and try to steal a kill from the cat. And that's just he said. They go hand in hand. So it's funny because they actually caught a wolf not far from here, and it had a tag from Wisconsin. Right. And just like they'll tell you there's no. Bears, I was driving out near that bridge we were talking about, and a freaking black bear ran right across the road in front of me. I called the DNR. Then no bears. A week later, a bear got hit on the interstate by a car up there Fort White, right, I remember that. Yeah, So it's just like, that's what I thought was. I think I mentioned that too, is like animals don't know state line boundaries. They do not. Someone says there's bears in Michigan. I was like, we're only like what eighty miles from Michigan to say, they're not going to just travel on down. They migrate right, They're. They're following food. And it's like, Yeah, there's all kinds of things that they'll tell you are here that are now, which leads you to the people that'll tell you that they've had bigfoot sightings around here. There's been a lot of those here recently. Yeah, I've gotten the Bigfoot Mapping Project app and there was a recent siding I think two years ago, just up on sixteen between Denver Broilium. There been a couple of sightings here, you know, in the Tokemo area. And of course, you know, Miss Cintle, I get. I hear people all the time. They like to send me pictures of trees that have been over right, and if you walk any of the trails around here, you see them all the time, you know. There. I took a bunch of pictures of them today. What causes that? I don't know. Do I think it's bigfoot. I would really love it if it was right, you know, But but I don't know. But my son and I we'll go out there and we'll start, you know, whooping and knocking and and sometimes we hear stuff coming back. So yeah, I feel like some of the trees that I see bent over, I know I've seen it before, like if in the winter times were the heavy, heavy, wet snow will pull some of the little sapling trees over, bend them in a certain way. But when you get the actual formations that are really big, heavy, solid around and they're all stacked almost like a weird cross pattern, if it's not done by a person, then what's done? Because naturally I don't see it falling that way. Yeah, but you know, it's it's fun, you know, it's a it's a it's a fun you know, distraction. I'll listen to anybody that's got the story. You know, it's like I'm you know, I'm. You know. And that's mainly what I do is I like to collect stories. And that that comes from my childhood, you know, when when people used to tell me all those stories. I grew up on a like a sixty acre horse farm. Right. My grandparents were sulky. They had sulky horses. And uh, just like less than a quarter mile from where our trailer was was this old graveyard. And I would sneak out at night, go up there and crawl up in this oak tree and watch for ghosts because there were all these legends surrounding that place. It used to have like a fence all the way around the property, and in the corner. Was a gate. And as the old timers told it, if a woman approached the gate, the gate would open and let him walk through it. If a man walked up to it, it would open. And as they started to walk through this and it'd swing and hit him. So they ended up taking the gate down because people were getting hurt. So of course, you know, I thought, okay, this place got beyond it. You know, that's what everybody tells me. So that's where I saw my first apparition, you know, as a little kid, and you know, I was hooked then. Now fast forwards, you know, six seven years from then, and my mother and my grandmother had this falling out, so we had to move off the farm, and so my dad bought this house in the little nearby town, and I hated that place, but we move into it and I find out that house used to. Be where a church and graveyard was. So when they when they closed down the church, they moved all the graves from there and started that little cemetery that I used to go out to and hide out in. And I was like, that's a. Weird synchronicity that, you know, I moved from that graveyard to where the graveyard used to be, and our house was haunted. You know. My dad used to get some furious you guess we're making all kinds of noise last night, you know, keeping me up. We were own dad, you know. So yeah, I've I haven't experienced enough to know if it's not just we've had weird stuff that happened since we moved here. But this house is a knew her house was building seventy nine, and no one's ever passed away here, so and we're like maybe the third or fourth people has ever lived here, So you wouldn't think there'd be anything weird here, but we've had some weird instances and just recently, and I don't know if I've mentioned it on air. I think I may have already be like before I moved out here, one of the nails on the coffin. I'm wanting to come out here. I just talked on an interview on someone else's show about some of the weird things that go on in the house. I said, but luckily we haven't had anything weird going on. The next day, I'm down in the basement editing this stuff, and I started to go outside, excited to put the chickens up out back. I come back in and I made a mention about this bug. Earlier there was a fly fly and I noticed because I only had half of that, I didn't have the other half yet, there was twenty seven dead flies on my desk that were not there. And they were only on my desk. Oh wow, yeah, that's it's weird. So I had photos of them. I actually kept the flies. I put them in a little jar. I put a little and put them out in the barn or out in the garage. And I just asked my wife last week where the flies go. She said, I threw those out. You're crazy. She threw them away. And then the random teeth that we found that they'd come back and right, So so. The thing is you know, you say the house was only built in seventy nine, but you don't know what happened on the proper right, right. It's like the place that I told you where the guy had committed suicide. Right. So they came in. They tore that house down, which was a fine house. There's nothing wrong with the house. It's an ice house. But they tore it down. They build a new new house on top of it because they wanted to get rid of the That doesn't change anything. If that place was haunted, those ghosts didn't go anywhere, you know, tearing down the house does not. You know, they're not the house. You know, the house, it's not the ghost, you know, the location is I mean proof of that. This woman called me up one time and wanted me to come and investigate her place because they were seeing a full bodied apparition and they would see it come down the stairs, pass through them in the living room, and then go into the kitchen and then go through the wall and just keep walking and then it'd be out in the yard and then would disappear. And it was like a you know, kind of an old woman. And so we go out and I investigate the property. And I'm looking into history and stuff, and so it's like the house used to have an extension on the back, and you know, that was the kitchen out there, and there was a fire and then you know, and they tore that part of it off and just closed it off and right, and so that ghost, it doesn't know that the kitchen isn't still there, So it came down the stairs and went out to the kitchen like it always did. You know, it doesn't know that the building's. Not there anymore. That's like residual haunting, as you'd think. Yeah, that was, Yeah, that was a situation that couldn't communicate with. I say, it's almost like it's just an imprinting time where it's doing the same exact pattern over and over and over. Yeah. They call it stone tape, right, And we just talked about that on all the reason I hadn't never heard that before. But no, for me, it's like, I like, if there is anything around here. Over the fact that I literally said, we haven't had any things for a while, and then all the dead flies just on my stuff where I record, I was like, that's not like a sign of I take that to heart and letting you know, that's why I've noticed this bug. And next to this bug, there's also a looks like a moth. So I'm just gonna let my collection of bug stay here and see if I end up coming out here one night and there's just like a whole bunch of dead flies back on it, right, because but why there? Yeah? Why not on the floor? You know, it's literally right where I'm working. That's why I know they weren't there Earlieruse I've already been down here working on the desk, like looking on my editing stuff, and then I come back and there's just flies everywhere. The only. Explanation I could possibly scare up on that is that you're there, you're working, you're dropping you know, skin residue and babies. They're attracted that trying. But why are they dead? Right? It doesn't make sense. I was saying, maybe because of the green lights. Maybe the light attracted them. Sure, but they're not on all the time, right, No, But again with how did they all show up and die within five minutes? Yeah, that is the one thing I thought was of all the weird stuff, like we've had some weird, weird stuff, that is the one thing that I don't know how to explain to how they showed up so quickly. I would recommend put a ring as salt all the way around the building, see if that might keep them out, might keep them in too. Yeah, that's the other thing. So when it comes to the house, I went through it done. I don't know what you would call it. My attempts at vanishing things or whatever, and sand things aren't welcome here. So again it's been calm. But like I said, now last week I have random security footage top of the that thing moving. There was a haunted location down around Indianapolis. This has been a few years back now. But what the guy did was he bought this old farmhouse out in the middle of nowhere and he wanted to make money read it out to people to say it was haunted. It wasn't haunted, but he needed activity. So he got this guy who was into magic, had him come in there, had he performed rituals to attract spirits, and then they salted all the doors and windows, salted around the house, and then had people come there and haunt and he made up all these elaborate stories on why it was haunted. But people got all kinds of activity. There was it because this guy some of these spirits in there, like you know, the rumors were or is it that sometimes people are haunted. Some people just attract spirits and you show up because you know they're out there in the eather. You know, I know the location that I talk about, you know that I that I run. We're very confident most of the spirits that are connected there are not from that location, and they even come in from different places and got kind of trapped there. So that's you know, part of the adventures trying to find out their story and figure out how how this came to be. Mm hm. I've thought about finding one or two other people, Like I know, my brother wouldn't help me, but like and do like my own little investigations into certain things. Just having the kids and the family and all the stuff, the way to the sports, I just don't ever feel like I have the time to do it, especially doing this show. So it's like what little free time I have is always wrapped into out here, right Sure, So it's hard. I mean, it's hard to find time to go out and investigate. And it would be a lot easier if like my son was into it. He loves the paranormal from an intellectual, scholarly pursuit, but he has zero interest in going into a haunted house right and kicking the tires. Yeah, I don't like anyone in my family are interested. My kids are younger, but my wife, I don't think she's interested or once to even attempt any of that. Yeah, and I don't think I have very many friends that are interested in some of that either. So I know my brother and I used to watch some of the hauntage shows on TV or whatever. But he's busy. I'm busy. It's just hard to Well, I'll have to have you over you, I'm not too far away. Just next time I have an investigation over there, you got some pre time. You don't have to stay all. Night, just come over for a couple hours, check it out, right, see what happens. That's been something I've been kicking the tires on as I would like to do my own little investigations and stuff, just because I feel like I do my investigating back here behind a microphone, right, so I want to get out there and do things. I was supposed to go out and do one of these big foot meetings they had out at a miss so Wall. But my kid had baseball games, right, so I was like, I my time I done the games and try and go out there. I was like, I don't want to leave my wife home with the other kids. It's it's like the UFO group, you know that that they It just never was convenient for me to go to those. I mean, it's right up my alley. I love that sort of thing, and you know, I love to be surrounded by people who think the same way or at least adjacent. And uh, I only made it to one meeting, you know that the one that you were at, And uh yeah, time is time is definitely a factor. The one that I was at. I think it was one of the I thin. I did like one or two more in Peru, and I don't think they've done any since then. Yeah, they ran into some trouble, you know, scheduling and such, so I decided to take the summer off. You're going to start back up again. We'll see the four Wayne groups starting to have issues. So yeah, it's hard to manage things, especially when you have multiple people involved in it and have to schedule with other things. Yeah, that's again part of why I don't do music anymore. Is because I don't have to rely on it. I have to rely on guests, which sometimes we talk about paranormal stuff. You talk about ghost of a lot of guests ghost me. So there's that I was supposed to do an interview tomorrow night, you know. The person asked me to remind them, and so I reminded them, and now they're double books so they can't do mind like, la, You're schedule on mine first, but whatever, right, yeah, Luckily you have a kind of a back catalog right now, so my schedule gets pretty full. Yeah, so I imagine. So it's sometimes I say it's a blessing. I'm not going to say no, like I don't want to interview people, but it's getting to the point now to where it's like, I'm already booked out over two months and advanced, and I start feeling bad because I have people record with me and there's my episode coming out three months from now. Yeah right right right. So I was like, that's why I started releasing two episodes a week because I was getting such a big backlog. I would prefer don only have to do one a week, but I do so many interviews and I'm afraid if I don't consist, like keep up with interviews, and I'm not going to get people wanting to come on the show, and then it's going to be even worse since it's. The kind of thing where you know, you do almost want to do it live, you know, sort of like Coast to Coast, right, and then it's like, hey, tune in, you know, and it's live just there it is, works and all, but then you have the problem of that they don't show up. Yeah yeah, right, and then well, luckily, you know, you could always call me, you know, right, okay, yeah, but uh yeah, and you could. Do a call in show. That's what I've been trying to do with the live call ins. But the few that I've done, very few people have called in. I've had the number up there for him to call, and I've had like a couple of people call I'm supposed to be doing another live at the end of this month, so we'll see how that one goes. See like that, whenever people do those things, I'm always oh yeah, and I'll put it on account, you know, yeah, and then I'm busy, you know, argue with like you know, how do you how do you find the time for everything. I always try and do the last Thursday of the month. That's when I've been trying. I haven't done one the last two months because I took the whole month of July off and then I had a normal interview. This passed into August, so I just didn't end up doing the live because someone else has a bigger show was doing live at the same time. And then I'm other podcasts that are bigger took the name that I was using and using it for their name, so I'm like, I'm probably going to remark at what I'm doing and not even though I've had that name first, I'm not going to try and right and I don't know. That kind of rubbed me the wrong way, but whatever, Well, yeah, you hate. To read brand, right, you know that's what I remember, Like, you know, one of the first things I did was grab a cult detective dot com and I could not tell you how many people have content. Hey, I won't buy that often. No, you know, no, I'm not. I'm not letting it go for any amount of money. You know, it's just because it's it's what I do, right, and it's yeah, but then you catch people that are, you know, doing variants on that. You know, like if you go on Twitter, you'll fight people that you know, I'm I'm at a cult detective everywhere you know, Facebook, Instagram, So they'll be like, they'll have my name, you know, it'll say a cult detective and then but then the the the U R L they'll like but with like a squiggly mark or whatever, and it's like, just come up with something else, you know. I'll tell you the strangest thing in that regard. I'm sitting there and I get this email, you know, because you know, I search my name in case, you know, interviews and stuff pop up. Whatever. So there's this movie out. You can go onto YouTube, look it up. There's a trailer for it. Bob Freeman. Uh what was the. Paranormal Exterminator or something like that, right, So you watch a trailer and this guy, Ah, my name is Bob Freeman, and I'm an a cult detective, you know. I go out and I hunt, you know, and it's like, yeah, the guy's got better hair than me, you know, but he's got the goatee and he said there and it's sort of like a Sean of the Dead kind of show. So I'm like, what the hell? So I contact them, I say, well, what's up with this? And they say, oh, we just thought the name sounded cool. And I'm like, you're quoting my website. The lines he's saying are right from my website, you know my tagline. You're using my tagline, you know, like, I know you had to get it for me. Now, the movie didn't end up, you know, making a lot of money, but it's still is like, are you kidding me? Right, it's my name. I recently found out by searching again my podcast name. I've been finding people have been taking my episodes, like the audio and making videos on their own channels, not even the people have been doing the interviews, right, Yeah, I found again the conspiracy stuff but like kind of comes with the territory. But they took one of the flat Earth episodes that we'd talked or I'd talked to someone about and they put it up on their own flat Earth dedicated channel. But they took my audio and they've gotten a lot more views on their YouTube video than mine ever did. Oh wow. So I'm like that's kind of shitty. But I've noticed other people too of like, hey, can I have this can I have that? Like, if they're a guest, I don't mind giving the audio to them or whatever, like sure, like it's your interview, I don't care. But when you take it without asking and upload it on your own stuff. And I've had someone reach out and be like, they want to come on the show, but they didn't want me to release the episode. They wanted to release it on their own stuff. I was like, why would I do that? Now, what you should do is you got a YouTube channel, just put it in your playlist, you know, so that you're the one getting the hits. They go to your playlist, they watch it, but you're getting the hits, not me. No, that's yeah, that's ridiculous. So no, like I said, I posted something about that the other day because I just noticed, and I'm like, typically I don't care. I'm not one that worries about the money situations, but I think it's kind of shitty when someone's making money off something they had nothing to do with, right, Like they weren't the guests, they didn't edit it, they didn't do all this. I did all the work, and so I' much just going to steal the audio and put it out there. That's kind of weird. It's you know, you look at like AI and all that stuff, right, you know, it's it's the same thing people trying to not do work now and make yeah money from it. Right now. That's that's the thing that I I don't even really wrote like the thing that I wrote last year, because I used I wrote all this stuff about the little book that I wrote, but because I used like Microsoft word and then I used grammarly and then I ran it to format through like a I think it was the AI interview that I did. I used the same thing to like format everything and like book form because I don't know how to write as a book or right. And then after I didn't go back and like proof read everything. But after I did it had to print it. I started reading it, and it changed the words and stuff around some of the ways I said, like I did. It made things differently, Like now to me, it looks like I didn't. It's not authentic to me anymore. Because the computer, the art official intelligence or whatever. Right when they went in it made it a little bit better. It edited it for me, and it changed wordings, but it made it say the same thing like fifteen different times, but I read it, so yeah. So for me, I'm like, I don't even promote the book at this point because it's like ninety percent what I wrote and then the rest of us whatever the computer decided it wanted to change it to. So I'm like, that's stupid. Yeah, but of course, you know, sometimes those mistakes happened. You know, I've got I've got a novel called The Send It and pretty I think did all right, but I was trying to add out the word can. And so I always keep these little snikelets of things that I've written and then I'll just bring them into a story and make a scene from it. Well, I did this in the book, but I didn't realize. I didn't remember that I had done it earlier. So it's the exact same scene almost, but you know, you kind of rewrite it a little bit to make it fit this. And uh so, like when I when I caught that after it was published, I'm, oh, oh my god. But then I get a review on it, right, and somebody said that was brilliant the way that I did those two mirrored scenes, you know that, you know, and like, uh no, you know, I didn't do that on purpose. But but the reviewer just loved it, you know, like, Okay, sometimes you get lucky, you know. But I've thought about going in and re editing it to where it removes all the stuff that it added in there, right, but the and I'm like, I've already had these books printed out, So what I supposed to do with the I guess their first edition? You're right, yeah, well you know what. Hey you look, it's a but it's to me, it's just I did it out of borderm. I wrote it over a weekend, right right, sure, And I was just like, okay, I'm going to run it through this Like I don't know anything about how to format things are, right. I was like, with technology, they claim it can help. So I threw it in there and it was just giving me this many pages bag this. So I just just taking a copying it, putting it over there. I didn't read the whole thing over against. I knew what I wrote, right, so I just assume that it was going to leave it be. Now people are writing whole novels with it now, you know, like you can go in there and say, write me a scene in which this, this, this, and this happens and make it, you know, ten thousand. Words, it'll kick it out. It's craziness. Yeah, and then they'll tell you how great a writer they are. Can read. It's it's not work, you know, it's not great, but it's you know, it's passable. Yeah, and it's like okay, you know, and it's it's like the art. You know, that's like they think they're an artist because they typed in a sentence in a program and I like a lot of it. You know. It's yeah, yeah, looks great. Well that computer knows how to steal. Yeah, I'm steal well, like my artwork that I use right now, I use AI to make it because I'm pretty much DIY. Yeah, So I gotta do what I gotta do. But I have a they look great. Easton who did all my artwork. I asked him to design me actual artwork for the podcast artwork. So whenever that gets done, I'm gonna switch over and pay him just too. So he's in Wallbach, Yep, he lives in Wabash. But he is amazing artist. He does a lot of stuff. He just did a he's involved with the The Frogman movie that just came out recently. Really yeah, it's like I haven't watched it yet. I've been wanting to, but basically was like a found footage movie of frog Man. Yeah. Now they're doing a sequel. Nice, that's great, But no, it's the interviewized that it came out the other day. But he I've known him for a long time because he's also been in bands too. So the other guy that I interviewed here, I used to be in a band with the girl that I had interviewed, Ariel. She has engaged to my friend Braid. Whew. I was in a band with some of most of the people. This seems to be the all band related. You'd be amazed at how the connection between the paranormal and music, right, you know, Like, I'm sure you know John Tenney, right, he's a you know, he's a paranormal lecturer. UF. I've heard the name, I think, but I don't know. But he he was he was in punk bands, you know. And yeah, it's just so you know, when you talk to you always end up talking to me music instead of Yeah. Now it's I've seen a meme recently and I never felt more attacked ever. It said a middle aged guys also middle aged white guys either once they hit their middle age or whatever. I forget how it was actual where a basis says you one of two things. You either get a fascination of smoking meats or you start a podcast. I was like, well, I've done both, because I've bought a smoker and I'm doing a podcast. And I was like, well, damn it, I'm the typical meme. I guess this middle aged white guy doing a podcast and smoking meats. Is there anything else you would like to talk about. I'm sure you've got tons of things you can, but we've been going on for almost an hour and a half. Yeah, I mean good. I'm right now. I'm working on. An occult detective role playing game. My son and I. Right, so we're taking all these cryptids and fay and you know, classic monsters and stuff and putting it in a game format where you get to be a paranormal investigator in like a you know, sort of like Dungeons and Dragons kind of thing, you know. And it's it came from we used to do this. Every Halloween. We get together and we play a game scenario, usually in a haunted house, and say, you know, I drop it on them Okay, we're playing this game. You only have what you have on you, you know, and you only have the things here. And then we go through and I make up a story, you know, for them to adventure in. And so yeah, so we're. Putting this game together and it's got its own deck of tarot cards. And all this kind of stuff. So it's kind of fun and kind of gives something to do with a family. Is there any events that you're going to be out here in the upcoming months. I'll be pair Unity and you know, so uh, and you know, I'll be on a lot of podcasts. That's the thing now right the Halloween season she held my busiest time of year. We're always reaching out and and so yeah, I'll be all over the internet and I'm at a cult Detective dot com. I think I'm mentioned here. I'm at a cult Detective on all the different platforms. That's the one thing that I wish I would have been able to do on a lot of my stuff. So I am on most of it. But there's the other Tenfoil Tales that a lot of people apparently find that's the Australian one. Yes, yeah, And I have tenfoyltales dot com. My Facebook is tenfoil Tales of Twitter's tenfoil tel most of it, but like Instagram, I couldn't take it. So it's ten foil Tales podcast, right, but you know it's plus. I wish they would just stop being a podcast. I know that sounds bad. As far as I know, they're still active. I was like, but I started mine first. Yeah, hang up your hat, boys, it's not the artitlee of Google Search, you know, and see that there's somebody else out there now it's I think we both started in the same timeframe, Like I think I started just a couple weeks or months maybe earlier. But just the random name and timing of everything is just right. And I also listened to another Tinfoil hat m Yeah, I listened to her sometime. There's also, uh I mentioned it before, but like Sam Tripley does the Tinfoil Hat with Sam Tripley. Yeah, he's like the most biggest podcast out there for conspiracy type stuff. And I wasn't a podcaster, so I didn't know anything about podcast really, so I didn't do a whole lot of research when I thought of this name. Because I thought of this back during the pandemic. So I'm just like, hey, I come up with this name. I never had this idea and I just never done anything with it. And then finally when I decided I'm going to do it two years later, I already had the name. I a reason kind of rolled with it, and then I started looking more into podcasts and found out there's more peoples in this type of stuff. It's a it's a great name. And you if you got Tinfoil tails dot com, that am your you know your gold all right. I actually just got my renewal in the email, as I claim, I had to pay for that again, so yeah, I did you mentioned people are trying to buy it. I got offered something for not this one, but another website that I had, but I'm not even renewing that website. So I'm like, I might just sell that one because yeah, if you're not going to renew it, yeah, get some yeah calling. But well, Bob, it's been a pleasure talking with you. But if you're for me as well, I will see you at Paara Unity and I'm sure i'll see you around here soon with some other stuff. But we're both going to be at per Unity I'm speaking apparently this year it's par unity. I'm speaking at the Crawford's Bille paranormal thing they've got going on there. Nice. So I was supposed to be at a Bigfoot thing in Michigan next week but it got canceled. And then the first Annual Bigfoot Conferences at the end of the month and it's sold out. That's down in Nashville. So hoping that one turns out really good. Yeah, good luck with it again. For anyone out there listening, make sure to check out a could Detective dot com for more about Bob Freeman. And thank you for listening. We're gonna wrap this one up, so thanks to Bob and thanks for listening. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. 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