Ep. 140: Black Widows

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright tonight's guests. We're going to be joined by Bob and Brittany. You may remember them from their podcast Tells from the Dark. They're back again to discuss their newest book, Black Widows, and a little bit more about some of their experiences. 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But now we're gonna go ahead and bring Bob and Brittany on and dive on into the conversation. So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Like think this time to welcome back to Tinfoil Tell Bob and Britney from Tells from the Dark. Hey, you guys doing doing well? How are you today? I'm doing great. Sometimes I say I'm doing okay, but today I feel great except for my eye. I think I kid poked me in the eyeball in my sleep or something last night, because it's been bothering me all day. You gotta need to wash that out. Yeah. I told my wife was like, hopefully I don't get pink eye or something from him, like farting on my pillow. Who knows. He's a three year old, so we don't know what he does at nighttime. And man, pink eye is no joke. I've only had it a few times in my life, but it's like some of the worst. It's just it it's not that it's pain, it's just it's a constant annoyance from like the time you wake up the time you go back to sleep. So let's hope you don't have pink eye. My son was like I just got home for football and he got in the truck or whatever, and I was bringing him home and I was telling you go get in the showers, Like why are you looking at me like that? I was like, I happen to keep stretching my eye open because it hurts, Like I'm not giving you like the stink guy or no than like I'm literally just looking at you, but my eyes bother me, so I have to keep like, Brian, it open. Now you're giving him the crazy eye. Yeah. Well, we talked a few months back and it's great conversations. I'm glad to have you guys back on. But you guys just recently had a book come out, So if you'd like to let the audience know a little bit about it before we dive on endo the conversation, you can go for it. Yeah, absolutely so. We actually, uh, since since we've talked last, we've done I think fewer podcasts than normal on our end, but we've filled that up with a book. We were lucky enough to be approached by Beyond the Frey Publishing who they have a bunch of amazing authors, which if your listeners are into high strangeness and the slightest, I highly recommend checking out Beyond the Fray on Facebook or Instagram. They have a ton of posts about their ut quing books, what's out right now? They're authors that sort of thing. I know. We're good friend Cody Richardson from Mystery Archives. He just released a book as well, it's Haunting Stories Tales from the Archives. Volume one is out right now, and they approached us and so Brittany last year the year before, two years ago, she launched a true crime kind of branch off, The Tailsmith Dark Tree a little bit and she covered black widows, which I had never in my life even much thought to, you know, female serial killers, let alone black widows, which admittedly I was a little bit of a dunce. I didn't know the difference between a black widow killer and just a female serial killer, and there is a difference, which Brittany dives do in the book. And she did Tales of the Dark True Crime, and it was a very bittersweet thing for me because it sounded better than the original show, and that was very frustrating. The audio quality is better. The score that she did for the show was phenomenal, The artwork was great. Shit our artist do full custom artwork for her podcast art and it went really well. It was very exciting to kind of see her do her own thing. And then all it was great for me because I just had to do a end of season recap with Brittany. So we did that podcast and it was received fairly well. You know, a lot of our listeners are more into UFOs, goes scripted that sort of thing, but we had a small amount of're asking for more and more true crime and that kind of scratched the itch. And she did the first season, which I said was Black Widows, and then well maybe Beyond the Fray. We had a discussion about turning that into a book, and that's the first book. It's Tales from the Dark True Crime, Black Widows, I think is the full titles that, right. Brittany Tails from the Dark, Black Widows, Tale. From the Dark, Black Widows. It's available on Amazon right now. It kind of surprised me. We were in the top couple hundred for true crime books, which again I had zero idea with such a saturated market, which I probably should have known given the amount of true crime podcasts that are out there. But it's been received really well. We covered twenty cases, yeah, right, twenty cases. Where we go we go pretty pretty deep in detail, from the life and the death to the childhood of the Black Widows up until where some of them either died or they were sentenced to life in prison. It's definitely one of those kind of reads that I wouldn't recommend folks, you know, right before dinner. It's not it's not a good read. There's a few of them that are that kind of did go into my neck of the woods. We had some supernatural aspects to a couple of the stories that she covered, and it was a lot of fun going the book route versus the audio route, because more we're doing podcasting, we can rant, we can make jokes, that kind of thing. But with a book, it's everything has to be perfect and has to be perfect the first time, and then we send it to the editor and then they give us seventy five notes, even though we thought it was perfect the first time. But it was a very exciting time for us because if you'd asked me, you know, when I was a kid, Hey, do you think you'd be a published author, I'd be like, no, I'm going to go play in the dirt. That's what we're gonna do. And Brittany, you know, she knocked out of the park. The research was done. It was exceptional. I have It's one of those that you kind of look back and it you know, I'm sure you've dealt with this kind of some imposter syndrome a little bit where it's like, did I actually write this book or did someone else write this for me? And I'm just taking credit for it. And that's you know a lot of Tales from the Dark in general, where Brittany kind of if it wasn't for Brittany, we wouldn't have Tales from the Dark. She's done me job of keeping me a on task and be stopping me from saying the dumb is stuff umanly possible because half half of Tales from the Dark would be just kid rock historical facts. That's uh, that would that? Would you know? That is my forte. I'll talk you about biscuits and gravy and kid rock. That's that's my that's my jam. But uh, he's a national icon, yes he is, in fact, but yeah, tells some dark true crime. It's it's uh. Season two is going to be coming out soon ish, hopefully, Brittany. She's dropped some hints and I guess, uh, you can drop another one. The listeners will know historical significance of blank. That's gonna be the next season for Tales from Dark True Crime. I'm not sure if that I'll go into written form yet. We'll kind of see how that goes progressively. But it's exciting. It's exciting to see the workflow from the opposite end because I get to, like I said, sit back, relaxing my feet up while Brittany is doing all the work. Sometimes I get jealous of people that have a co host I've done, Like I have a co host for my Patreon stuff, but I'm the one that does all the editing and all the marketing and all the other stuff for it. So sometimes I wish I had someone to spit ideas off of and that would help out. So I do get a little bit envious sometimes when you guys have like a working relationship with someone, I'm like the only one doing things. I'm a little envious to people that have a co host and a partner. No, I definitely get that, and it's for me. I'm very grateful to have Bob, and not only you know, in our relationship, but also in Tales from the Dark and in the content that we create in general, even if it's a way from Tales from the Dark, because we do do some other avenues as well, and recently I've been doing streaming. We're now authors. I mean, it's it's kind of crazy, but it is. We definitely keep each other sane, I would say, because especially in the field of high strangeness, when you're researching and going to these places and having these unexplainable experiences can make you feel like you're going crazy, and you probably should check yourself into an asylum, but having someone there to help you stay grounded is amazing. I mean, it's really it's I'm really thankful for that. Yeah, And I do want to kind of piggyback of something that you were just saying. You know, the extra work that goes into creating a podcast, So something that listeners don't always get to see is the behind the scenes in the office in your case, the in the shed, in the bar, in the bar, and footage. It's one of those things that there's a lot that goes into making a show. It's not just coming up with a cool topic, reading it offline and hoping for the best. You know, you have to fact check a lot of this stuff. Especially in our field. There's for everyone, i would say, factual bit of evidence out there. When it comes to the paranormal or UFOs or cryptids. There's a thousand people who just want to get clicks or want to do something like something sensational. So I'm kind of glad that you did bring that up because there is a whole avenue that folks often don't get to see. That's, you know, before the podcast actually hit Spotify, Apple or wherever. They're listening. There's a lot of work that goes into things that no one seems to understand. And I see people we're talking about this off air, but people complain about the random ads a lot. To me, I don't like them either, Like I understand the frustration. So for anyone out there that says the podcast has too many ads on, I one hundred percent agree. But there's also bills that have to get paid, and that's how podcasts basically sustain themselves. Otherwise you're just losing. Basically, when I played music, you're always buying equipment, You're always spending money to do band stuff. You can relate to this. There's no money in music. It's kind of a money pit. It's like podcasting. There's not really a lot of money in podcasts unless you're in the top one top point zero one percent, and then maybe you're making some money. But other than that, everyone's just jockeying for breaking even No. I mean, you're you're absolutely correct. I mean, the biggest avenue we've had ever for revenue has been our merchandise sales. And you know, even that was one of those things where we were very cautious when we got into T shirts. For example, we had looked at a few local samples. We didn't love the quality. And again we're not knocking any local shops, but for what we were looking for, you know, putting a mount rushmore of cryptids on a T shirt has to be done a very specific way for us, and I mean Brittany went out and we bought all the equipment to make our shirts ourselves. For years, we were doing all of our merchandise and house our stickers, our T shirts, everything. I mean, heck, when Telson the Dark first started, Brittany was knitting, you know, five foot crocheing giant snakes because we have this long running joke about a cryptid that Tyler Terry, a good friend of ours, and he helped produce Phantom Farm. He made up a whole story about his own CRYPTI called hay Snake, And so Brittany was literally spending hours for our listeners crocheing giant snakes. And you know, again, yes, whatever is find the revenue. And some folks, you know, like you said with the ads, they might not love it, but you know that's the only way we can continue to continue to do it. We're doing because I mean, when I look at my studio setup for ourselves, it's just between our audio interface or two microphones. That's several thousand dollars right there. And for most shows that maybe break fifty dollars a month, that's several years worth of work. And by the time the first microphone is paid off, you have to replace it or upgrade. So and the other thing I want to add real quick to is just when it comes to ads, because I mean, we've had to talk about this with streaming too. When you're on certain platforms, there are like minimum requirements for ad placement, whether you're doing like streaming, whether you're doing podcasting, YouTube videos, the platform itself does have minimum requirements for the ad placements. So and unfortunately, on certain platforms, like if you're on a podcast host or streaming it, they can take away some of your access to their features if you don't adhere to that policy as well. So it's not even just a money thing, it's that you do have to adhere to certain policies to make sure you're staying within optimal range to keep your access to your whether it be your plan or or your status. Should I say yeah, Basically, the gist of it is they expect a certain level of revenue from you two. Yeah, and they want you to be on their networks or on their things in the hearsting stores. But yes, they're making money off of you just because they're having advertisements on there. Nothing's free in life, and I've tried to explain this to people, like I do it as a hobby. I don't care about making money. But you can always hit the fast forward button, like absolutely, there's a little thirty second button. Just click it. That's what I do. Yeah, now you're you're ond a percent, correct. That's uh. I hated it. I never wanted to have ads on the show. I've literally felt like a sellout when I had to do it. But at the same time, it's like I'm spending over one hundred something dollars a month just to do the podcast last year before I ever decided to allow ads on it, and now having this lofted cabin, barn shed, whatever you want to call it, I have a monthly payment for that, so I'm like, well, just another money pit. I keep buying new equipment for it. In here, I've spent thousands of dollars on equipment and everything else. It's like it never ends. Hey, but it does look nice. I did see the picture of something Facebook. Yeah, I was litally about to say it was. It was really neat to watch you go from just a you know, bear bear shed to a full podcast studio. So kudos to you on that. That turned out amazing. There's some stuff that still needs done, but for now it does the purpose of what it needs it to do. I got tired of dicking around with it. I get it, man, now. I can't remember last time we were on the show. Did we discuss our potential running with a with something while we were at Skinwalker Ranch. I believe you mentioned it. I don't remember how much we actually dove into it though. Okay, it's weird for me when I talk with people. I don't listen to my own interviews really like. I do the interview with people, and I hear it when I'm editing, and that's about the last time I listened to it. So it's hard to keep track of everything that was talked about. No, I completely understand that. But we'd love to tell you the story. If you want to hear it, yeah, go for it. Okay, So this was two years ago. I believe exactly two years ago, because you took this trip around your birthday. It was just your birthday. Yeah. So when I when I turned thirty, I haven't done much traveling outside of Ohio in my adulthood realistically before it tales from the dark. Yeah. Yeah. So we made the decision that well we I mean I made the decision I wanted to go to Denver, Colorado, like really really bad. So we make the track out to Denver. It was beautiful. I loved it. I was overritten like two days, but I had taken off I think ten days work or maybe a little longer, and I was like, you know, we're out here. We did Rocky Mountain National Park, we did. We drive a couple of fourteen ers. It was beautiful. We get to see the Stanley Hotel, which you know has has an amazing paranormal history as well as just regular history. There's it's it's an incredible location to see over Inesta's Park. And I was like, well, let's go out to Mount Shasta. Let's let's go all the way to California. I've never been to California before. And we made the decision to start driving as we usually do on a whim. So we had to drive through Rocky Mountain National Park as in the dark as the sun is going down, and you know, for the listeners who are from that area, they're like, oh, well, that's nothing. Well, I'm from Ohio, where we don't have hills. Quite literally, I'm pretty sure the highest point in Ohio is a garbage jump in Bellfountain, Ohio. I don't I don't think I'm making that up. I'm like ninety nine percent sure that that's factual. So I had never you know, I've been through the Apple Aatchian Mountain region quite a bit, so I'm used to You know, when you're in Appalachia, you kind of just get used to the fact that the roads might not always be real roads. Sometimes they are more pothole or they are more drop off to your death, and you kind of just accept that fact. But when you're in the Rocky Mountains specifically, you know, these are fourteen thousand foot mountains and they're constantly traveled, so the roads are in great shape. But it's is it is a little spooky. You're just so much higher up than you are in Appalachia. Yeah, and I mean so much higher up than like your average drive through Appalachia. It's actually insane. I literally had to go to sleep on the way up about had a panic attack. Because I'm not super scared of heights or anything like that. It's not dehabilitating, but sometimes it gets to me, and that day it was getting to me. And so what happened was we decided to go to the Rocky Mountain National Park and we booked our ticket and went up and actually went up on Mount Henry, I believe, all the way to the top. I think it's like a fourteen thousand foot Yeah, it's one of the fourteen ers. Yeah. Yeah, went all the way to the top, went all the way back town and back to the hotel. And once we got to the hotel, this is when we decided we were just going to drive up to California and go to Mount Shasta. And once we got to the hotel and looked at the route, well, it turns out we had to drive the exact same way that we took in except minus one road to not go on top of Mount Henry. So we had to retrack all the way back through the Rocking Mountain National Park to get to the other side to go start heading towards California. Yeah, so I went to sleep and our route was blocked by the biggest elk I've ever seen in my entire life. It was terrifying. I grew up deer hunting. I've never seen an elk in person before until tell that trip. Yeah. Tell, It's like eight nine pm, the sun's going down, and here's this giant looks like a grizzly bear with horns coming across our pathway. But as we're looking, I'm like, you know, we're going to go right by Skinwalker Ranch as we want to Mount Shasta, like we we're gonna go see what all the fuss is about. And we make the trip there. We get to u Utah. It's probably midnight, close to one o'clock in the morning. Yeah, yeah, it's late, and I decided to stop it at a gas station in town. And because I love to stop at small gas stations, and I asked the same question, Hey, have you ever seen anything weird around here? Well, in this instance, you know, of course the woman had because it's it's right outside of Skimwalker Ranch. And I explained to him, like, well, you know, we think about driving up a skim Walker ranch tonight. We're only in town like now. And she said, oh, well, that's kind of funny because I'm currently watching a Facebook live of a friend of mine and he's out looking for UFOs right outside a Skimwalker Ranch. I'll tell him you're coming and just flag you know, he'll flag you down. I think she said it was like in a red jeep or something I can't recall. Old. Yeah, so I'm like, okay, awesome, I'm gonna go meet a strange man in the darkness in the desert in Utah. Nothing can go wrong here. It's gonna be great. And we make the trek out. We could not find this guy. I hope he did not wait for us, because we looked. We could not find him. We said before. He probably dipped out when he heard the two weirdos. We're willingly driving through, like passing through the town and coming out to skim Walker Ranch at like midnight. Not locals, not anyone familiar with the area. We were just full scent. Yeah, so, uh, you know, we got out the skim Walker Ranch and the first thing I noticed was the property is so much smaller than I had anticipated on TV. Now, you know TV and documentaries. They have a way of making things look you know, it's I called the cinematic sunrise because it you know, it's gonna look more beautiful. It's to look more broad, bigger, more scary through the cinematic lens. But we realized rather quickly that this is a pretty small I don't it's not a small ranch, but it's a lot smaller, you know. I was under the impression this is gonna take like an hour plus to get. To the around that edge of it. Yeah, and we were able to drive the entirety of the fence line in probably a half hour maybe. If not last time. I mean we had to go slow because we thought there were animals. Yeah, and we saw a couple of things something like that. But yeah, it was very that was very eye opening to us. And when you get to the entrant to Skimwalker Ranch, there's like sixty cameras and I can send you the pictures because I love showing these pictures to people because it it's insane. And there's like a giant sign that's same warning you are being recorded, don't trespass past past this point. It looks very official, very government, but it's not a government sign, and I'll kind of let Brittany take over from here, because this is the part that I don't recall very much because when I'm in these locations, I just want to get out of the car, I want to walk around, I want to be there in the moment, and Brittany's usually my my anchor is saying like, hey, you're going to die soon if you continue this nonsense. Jesus, don't make me sound like that. You made me sound like I'm some oracle coming in from the depths to tell you, Hey, this is your future, and then I just dip out of existence. I mean, it's pretty pretty close. Sometimes you did literally sleep in a haunted manner while we did a paranel investigation. So I mean that fan may just sleep. Anyways, when we had driven up to the gate, you could you could go back into Skimwalker Ranch because they had the whole thing like fenced off, and even on the other side they had a black mailbox with a camera in it that literally told us do not stop here, you are being recorded. So of course we stopped and took a picture of it, and we went back to the entrance. But all the way in we had seen a dog. This dog was aggressive, territorial and it was like biting at the tires. And to make a long story short, growing up in Appalachia, I've seen a few dogs like this or unfortunately, my family members had a couple of dogs like that to protect the property. And that seemed to be what it was. But we had driven back and forth to the gate a few times at this point, and it was like every other time we had driven back by that house because that was the other weird thing. This isn't a desolate area. I mean there are like houses scattered all around the property of Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, I'm gonna jump in real fast. So the signs said as it's a giant red stop sign, white sign with a giant red stop sign on its does stop only authorized personnel beyond this point. This is a private road. This property is monitored twenty four to seven by security personnel and multiple surveillance systems. If you proceed beyond this point, you'll be side of for trespassing. And then there's several sign to say space Wolf Research, private property, keep out properties in your surveillance, twenty four to seven, no stopping anytime, do not stop here, so on and so forth. Yeah, So we had stopped, of course, had to take our pictures, but we didn't get out of the gate because I mean there were like twenty cameras in that area alone. But every other time we had driven back and forth to the gate, this dog would like appear, bite at the tires, bite the car, chase a spark, and then it would disappear. Then like it would just be not like vanish and thin air, it just wouldn't be around. Like by the time we went down to the gate, which would be like five minutes in this time span, drove all away gate, took some pictures, turned back around it was it was gone. It had like ran behind the house or we didn't hear it or see it. So we had done this a few different times, just kind of looking at the area, and at one point we went further down the road, back towards where we came in from, and we actually stopped and looked at the sky and there were some weird lights, you know, some lights moving in the sky but could be satellites. They were pretty well it was hard to tell, nothing like too crazy in the sky. But what had happened was on the last time that we had turned back up from the gate and go went back towards see the entrance of this road. There was two dogs that showed up on the hill and so they kind of ran away. They didn't follow us or anything. We checked our mirrors, checked on the car, and no one followed us. And as we were standing outside looking at the stars, kind of looking around the area, I heard something barrel down the hill behind us on the driver's the car. It's a pretty large hill and it sounded huge. I mean, it sounded like a freaking bear running down that hill. And so I told Bob, get the f and the car. We're leaving, like we're gone. So Bob gets in the car and he starts to drive, and then as he's driving away pretty fast, we start seeing the dog start chasing the car. And he hadn't left like the property area as far as we'd know before, but he chased us for like a mile and a half two miles. He chased us out of that road. He chased us down the main road, and then by the time we turned the wrong way we turned right instead left back to go back to town. We turned right, chased us a little bit down that road we were going that way probably had to say about another five minutes, and by the time we turned back around, it was still trying to chase after us and followed our car the other way. Once we drove by, there weren't really any in the road, so I'm not saying like it knew that that was our car, but it rechased us once we had disengaged and came back the other way, so we finally get away. This is probably about the skinwalk range was probably a few miles outside of town and down this main road. We get to a stop light and I'll let Bob take over from here. Yeah, I had just made some remark of you know, we were stopped at the stop light. Yeah, it was more of an off the cuff common you know, a joke like, oh, maybe that was a skin walker. And like as soon as I said it, we heard this, like, ex this is when we heard the howl. Yeah, the howl in the barking. Yeah, we heard this howl that was like extremely loud and again, you know, I've been in the woods quite a bit. It was definitely higher pitch than a coyote and much louder and then just barking and it just you know, we sped out of there. We got out of there instantly. And it's again, I'm not saying that we encountered our skin walker, but I'm saying that that was an extremely bizarre experience. Yeah. Yeah. And then from there we made a wain to Mount Shasta, which if anyone's ever been, that's it's it's beautiful. It's it's a very beautiful town. It has one of the one of the best metaphysical shops in the continental of US. We visited. We've we've been to a lot. Yeah, it's like a metaphysical superstore. The woman was. Metaphysical store. It's so amazing. The woman was extremely nice. Been there for like thirty years. Yeah, just slowly she was like slowly taking over the downtown. She had bought like three different stores and just like tore down the walls to make it bigger and bigger and bigger. Yeah, I'm pretty sure when we left she was like, yeah, I'm looking at buying the next one next door. Yeah, well, she had said next to me is coming here, I'll have my next the next extension expansion open. I was like, Jesus woman, how, I mean, good, good on you, but like monopolizing metaphysical in Mount Shasta. I'm here for it. But uh yeah, Mount Shasta. It was gorgeous. And you know, we we've heard all heard the stores of the loome Arians of Mount Shasta. The well, I actually hadn't before I went to Mount Shasta. Really, yes. So the the TLDR of Lumerians is there's this alleged group of depending on where you look, some say the Venusians. Some people say that they come from Atlantis, or that they are a like a breakof tribe from the Atlantean Some say that they came from Venus and the Venusians. There's a handful of different like rhetoric when it comes to where these people came from. But basically there's the legend goes there's this entire civilization deep within Mount Shasta and these stories. There's a few alleged beginnings or these stories. The most notable one, I think someone was hiking and they saw one of these things and they took the person inside. Now, it sounds a lot like Campbell's Hero's Journey if you're familiar with that story. It very much resembles a real life rendition of the Hero's Journey. But Mount Shasta has a very unique culture there. Because we went to a bar and grill in town and I'd asked, I think we asked the u bartender and I said, you know, is there anything weird I hear? And she's called apart from the Louomerians, and she can't you know, kind of wrote that off like it was a normal thing. And again, if you if you live in it, it is a normal thing. We talk about that a lot over on our show. But she had just thrown this like weird off the cuff comment about this cult leader that had come to town, had a cold out in the woods. They were blue people, they were there were blue people. And she died because she was injecting uh silver n some kind of silver in her veins to cure I think a cancer that she had. And I don't I believe they like never found her body. It was a very weird thing that she just like said as she's handing me my cheeseburger, and I was like, okay, thanks, don't love any of this at all. And then we we spent I think a night or two in Mount Shasta. I have a very cool recording I'll send you of of some locals that were singing and dancing. They were doing some sort of like ode to the Native American tribes that are in the area. When we were out on Mount Shasta, and there's something different about the California sky that I apart from a very deep Appalachia, you don't really see the galaxy is breaking apart. It's the very little light pollution. It is absolutely gorgeous. We spent our time over in Mount Shasta. Then I'm like, well, let's go out to Vegas, because that's what you know grown ups do. They go out to Las Vegas when they're on a random trip across country. And now mind you like, we drove this. I drove from Ohio to Denver without stopping, like, no sleep, no stopping, nothing, and I think I drove from I'm pretty sure I drove to Mount Shasta without stopping as well. From Denver. Well, we had thought about staying the night and the town where Skinwalker Ranch was because we were tired byt that point. And then after all that happened, We're like, yeah, there's no way in hell we're staying in this freaking town. Yeah, the adrenaline dump was real, and we went out to Mount Shadow. We went from Mount Shasta out to Vegas, and we we got to go out to Area fifty one, which is really cool. I'm gonna say something controversial here and your listeners can crucify me for it. It is not worth stopping at the little ali again. It's just it's not worth it. It's not worth the extra hour, it's not worth the headache. The the people there were nice enough, but it's just I understand it's place in Ufo Lore, I really do. I understand. You know, John Lear's done speeches there, bobble Zar's done speeches. I understand completely. But I will say personally, it was not worth the trek out there. But we did get throughout the area fifty one. Nothing really cool happened out there. I was hoping we're gonna get chased off or something. But I will say when I was out of Area fifty one, very similar to the time I've spent at Right Patterson in Dayton, Ohio, it felt very much like, oh yeah, there could definitely be Aliens here, like for sure something happened. It feels alien area. Yeah, Because when you're driving, I mean, it's hours of nothing like if you're going from Vegas Area fifty one. It's there was one really cool like pop up tourist shop that I bought an alien head full of tequila at. I don't think it's sitting on the shelf right there. Yeah. But apart from that, like there's there's no gas stations, there's nose. I think there's uh, you know, as as you enter the Extraterrestrial Highway, which I have a photo of me out there, I'm pretty sure it's like next gas one hundred something miles or something ridiculous, there is literally nothing. Yeah, if it's a barren wasteland. Oh we did. What's funny? Is my first introduction to Vegas. We passed a I think it's called the Cat's Head Brothel and it's an alien themed brothel outside of Vegas. I wish I could make this up. It's a giant alien because again, you're you're in the desert, you see nothing, and then all of a sudden you come around this curve or over a hill and am I saying old? I mean I'm talking like sixties porn neon lights like you can tell have not been clean since they were installed in nineteen fifty seven or something ridiculous, And you see a giant alien head in a tavern and it's like alien brothel. Turn left. So of course, you know, we had to pull in and see what that's about. And it's it's just it's a brothel in the desert. That's alien theme. There's no I thought I was gonna like when I went in and got a drink, because you have to you have to stop. I'm like, oh, the girls from the dress is aliens. No, it's just like women, which is fine. I like women, but like I wanted them to lean full into the gimmick like Star Trek, Star Wars. I wanted to see alien gar but three in the morning, nothing, it was just uh yeah. He was like, I'll give you a disc. Guy He's like no, you were like, no, I I gotta. Go, I gotta go. I'm not actually here for the brothel. I just want to drink. Please. Maybe it's I'm going off the rail figure with it, but maybe it's a place where people go in there to get probed. Oh no, oh no. Yeah. That was our last cross country trek. And you know, since living in Missouri, we I just had one of my employees tell me about a what's funny is I saw it on Facebook, and then an employee mentioned it to me that there's an alleged like rip in reality in Marble Hill, Missouri, which is like I looked up Marble Hill. It's a town of like three hundred people. Maybe it's like a super small little village that is rife with like tragedy and just weird like they have like the Marble Hill Monster that I've never heard of before I started researching that, so I'm gonna try. We have us some friends coming into town at the end of the month, Cody and his fiance from Mystery Archives. I'm gona try and get them to go out there with me, because when I'm looking at this area, it's just I mean, like brutal murders have happened. They've had hangings of witches in this town from what I was reading, They've had multiple UFO sidings, cryptid sidings. There's been bigfootesque creatures like running through the center of the town. There's there's glow worms like you would see in a cave, apparently just like living the creeks there. For some reason, it's a super like weird town. But people on line described as a rip in like reality, so of course I have to go there at three in the morning, like we have to see what's happening not too far from where we live. I think, like the only time I've ever been out west has been a couple of times. But when we went to Vegas, I wanted to go out the area fifty one. We didn't end up going. We didn't have a vehicle and I didn't want to have to. Pay Uber to drive me all the way out in the middle of nowhere. But I do regret not doing a whole lot when we went to Vegas, so I know We're gonna have to go out there again sometime soon. But I do know you can see art Bell's grave, which every podcaster should have an ode to art Bell, because without art Bell, we wouldn't have ten Foil Tails or Tales from the Dark. I don't want to say something without it. Hopefully I should have it by tomorrow across my fingers, but I have new artwork being made, so by the time this is actually released, maybe the art work will be out. I don't know yet, but it is very art Bell influenced. I'll just leave it at that. I'm not drawing and I haven't seen it, but I've commissioned it out and I was told what it's supposed to look like, and they said, you're using an art bell type of a theme to it, so we'll see how it turns out. I love that you need to send me pictures right away because I'm very interested. I grew up with Coast to Coast, like inadvertently, I didn't, you know, And I tell people this, and I kind of feel like sleazy by saying this, but I didn't really listen to Coast to Coast and tells like a night shift security guard. I was flipping through the channels and I'll never feel channel ninety five to seven. When I was in Ohio and they it was like two in the morning. I was struggling to stay awake. I used to like smuggle in Duck Dynasty DVDs and watch them on the CCTV computer there because it just it was something to keep me awake at night. And it was one of those things where I was like, I'm gonna turn the radio one. It was like the weather radio. I'm sorry, it's just a Duck Dynasty. Well, look, it's little bits of storytelling that that's how people know, Oh, this guy is serious. Yeah, nasty for me. I mean I watched Duck Dynasty with mamall, so I can't say, like, but you were so committed to the bit. Yeah, so I used to do it. It's called American Trim and said they Ohio. I was a night shift security yard there for about six to eight months, and there's a Walgreens like within you could, if you were had a good arm, you could throw a baseball from American Trim hit the Walgreens. And I used to stop there because it was the only place open at night apart from the Speedway. And I hated going to Speedway because it was just like drug addicts and people in Basalt. So I just avoided that at all costs. But I went to Walgreens say that they had a dollar bin of DVDs, and like, I don't have a DVD player, but I'm gonna buy Duck Dynasty on DVD because that's what you do. And it was like two seasons. I watch those two seasons at least fifty times. And that's that's the extent of my Duck Dynasty knowledge. But I was I was flipping through the radio, the weather radio, which they specifically said do not touch do not use this except for emergency. So of course I'm like, I'm going to listen to the radio because I was a really good security guard back then, and I I'll never forget it was. It was such a it was my real introduction to synchronicity. And I've never really put it together until just now telling the story. But they were discussing black eyed children on the Coast to Coast that night, and I was like, Okay, well, I don't know what this is. I don't know what you know. I like ghosts, though, so let's see what this is about. And you know, again, I have to do rounds, which you know, basically it's a patrol of the facility. This was a night where there's no one working, so I'm going through a pitch black facility. After just learning about black eyed children. Don't recommend zero out of five. They gave us like the crappiest dollar tree flashlight that you could see three feet. It was very much like a five night at Freddy's Horror Game, but in real life. And what was funny is I I you know, I'm writing about black eyed I'm just like writing on the incident report sheet about black eyed children. So I could look this up. When I went home, and we had a gentleman named Terry. And this this guy, Terry, he had been with a cleaning company for like seventeen eighteen years. He worked like seven jobs, and he his wife was on disability or something, and you know, so he basically had the household. They had like thirty children. It was. It was like a small village. Is how you describe his household to me and shout out to Terry. I'm sure he's still working seven jobs, but I hope you're doing good, Terry. Yeah. So, but this guy, he was always extremely serious, like, you know, he if he would crack a joke, you'd have to think like is that an actual joke or is he telling me a real story? And I'm not supposed to laugh, Like he's one of those those kind of guys. And he comes into clean one day and he sees the next day and he sees that I wrote black eyed children on the instant report form and he stops and he looks at me. He goes, Bob, what do you know about black eyed chilling? And I said, Terry, what the fuck? Hang on, sir, excuse me, And he tells me a story about how he had a run in with these black eyed children, how he was terrified of them, and it was one of those things that I'm like, Okay, people have stories now and maybe this is not as crazy as it once was. And then I put it in the back burner until he started to tell us from the dark. I mean, this was I think before I even met Brittany. This was years, hours, years ago. But it was one of those like eye opening times. Because again I've told I tell everyone the same thing. I grew up in the TAPS age of paranormal investigating, so I was blessed enough to not have to sit through ghost adventures and take it seriously as paranormal media. Now I know, people of Zach Megan's I'm sorry, it's okay to not have good culture. It's okay. I understand. I cannot stand up. Yes, I know I can't, and I will die on this hill. But I grew up, you know, during the TAPS era, and I have distinct memories as as a child of knocking on people's doors saying, hey, do you have a ghost? Can I help? I'm here to help you. I'm here to help me in your house. Now, you know, as a very. Mom said I could, I could come and explore your basement. Look ghost, Yeah, Mom said, it's my firm with the ghost. Yeah. And now this has continued into adulthood because this was just a couple of years ago. I was with Tyler Terry and Sydney and there is only one real like serial killer that ever happened in Sydney, Ohio, where we grew up, and it happened to occur us probably seven eight years old when this happened right around the corner from my house. And we had heard that this house is now haunted, you know, we I've actually talked to some of the victims since then. It's a very weird thing, which why I bring this up. I'm sure in a week I'm gonna want to write a book or do a movie about this, because that's how it usually goes for me. But Tyler and I decided to visit the house where where it happened. And now, you know, Tyler is a really good looking guy. He's uh, you know, he's the boy band Construction. That's description. He's the boy band. Yeah. I mean he was in Phantom Farm, Yeah, he was in Fantasy, The Luscious Locks and everything going on for him. He's literally the boy band. Meaner yeah now now, but I will say Tyler has some stones on him and he's incredibly intelligent. When I met Tyler Terry the first time I had uh I had dated his sister briefly in like fifth grade. I had forgotten that that even happened until he here reminded me. But the whole time when I met Tyler, you know formerly so I was in a hardcore band for years. We were playing a The shows we used to play in Sydney was like they would just get as many bands as they could. They'd started like two o'clock in the afternoon and go until ten pm. And uh, I was in a hardcore band, and Tyler played you know, emo music. He was an acoustic act. You played emo music, and that was his He's a self described you know emo artists. Now it's indyear, I'm not even sure what we call it now, but I always gave him props. So the kids got stones because it would be fifteen hardcore bands and then Tyler singing about how someone broke his heart, and it was always an amazing thing to see. So Tyler and I stayed friends for years. But we were at the Lawrence Michael Hensley home and the woman who lives there is pretty against folks stopping by. So Tyler and I stopped by and she's out on the front porch and we're asking it if anything where ever happened in this house. She goes, well, you know, you know the history of the house, and she didn't really want to talk to us, and I'm like, can we go in your basement? I just cut Tyler off made he's you know, he's showed a smooth talk this one, like, we go in your basement, just take pictures, and she's like, no, get away from my house. Now, I was like twenty I was like twenty seven or twenty eight when it it's not like. Yeah, it wasn't before you definitely though, since then have learned to have more tact than that. Yeah. I usually I'm like, hey, can I buy you supper? Then can I go in your house? Like yeah, I have learned the way of talking to folks. Back then, I just I had no filter. I'm like, yeah, well, now, back then, I was like, you know, everyone is as into the stuff as I am, so they're going to feed my addiction. No don't go to strangers houses and ask you can go in their basement. Just that's that's my ode to your listeners. That's my advice for the day. It's a it's a bad idea. Can you learn one thing from this podcast episode? It's that right there. Yeah, but it's it's an interesting thing. And the the if any of your listeners are interested in true crime, if you want, if you want to Doozy Lawrence Michael Henley Hinsley, Sidney, Ohio, look into that and look at how many people drop the ball and how how how much the town has gone and pretending that, like, how how many steps the town has gone through to pretend that it did not happen. That's a big thing for me that we've uh, I've slowly unearthed over the years is like there was a lot of mishandlings. The crime could have been prevented. I can say we're not in Ohio anymore, so I can actually like, yeah. We can actually talk about this. I can be a little less cautious because one thing I learned researching this is like, don't do it in the town. It's a really bad idea. The police want this this on. It's as close to a cover up, as you'll see, like if you're talking like with a movie, it very much reads, it reads and sounds like a movie. When you start looking into the case and you find like the what was crazy is the The most common article you're going to find is from the Guardian in the UK discussing this small town in Ohio. That was to me as a researcher, like, oh, well, that's a red flag. There should be a million you know, Sydney Daily News. That's that's a local newspaper. There'd be a million articles about this, and there's not. It wasn't talked about. Yeah, then it's okay, well why is that? And then everyone I've spoken to that's an adult or it was on the police forces, the town wants to forget. Don't remind them. The town just wants to forget. And then I'm like, well I'm gonna remind them. Let me look into this some more. And then you find out like, oh, everything from like police mishandlings to a potential cover up occurred with this murder, and it was. It was a terrible, terrible time for our city. But that was also my introduction to the satanic panic, which if you're willing, I'd like to discuss the Satanic Panic briefly on the on this episode go for It. So I had no idea what the Satanic Panic was. I had never heard that terminology at all before. And basically for the listeners who might not be familiar, this happened mainly so here in America. It's kind of it's kind of a difficult place to start because some people say it started with the Manson family murders. So a lot of people grew up, especially if you grew up in the Midwest, you grew up in a household that didn't lock your doors. I remember as a kid, we never locked our doors. That really wasn't a thing until after the Hensley murders occurred and the Satanic Panic. It definitely wrapped its greasy hands around the American public in a way that when I was a kid, I remember that you didn't really have to like we didn't have a be home by time it's dark. It was always be home for supper. That was always a thing that you know, when I was a kid, it wasn't like, you know, when it's dark, the demons come out and something switched in smalltown, Ohio, and the nine nineties going into the two thousands, where this terrible thing had happened, where you know, these young ladies were killed, and all of a sudden, the town went from this really nice place to live that had a lot of industry was growing up. You know, when I say Sydney had industry, I'm talking six seven major factories, several steel founderies. Ten miles away is the Honda plant, one of the biggest Honta plants in North America and Ohio. It was a very it was a place that you wanted to live. You know, you wanted to be in Sydney. It was a great place. If you had a job there, you know, you knew you were doing fairly well. It wasn't uncommon to see a single income father have you know, two vehicles, three to four bedroom home. That was very, very common when I was a child, and a lot of churches Catholic. We had a very strong Catholic blood running through the city. And the murders occurred, and all of a sudden, it was demons everywhere. Everyone was a pedophile, everyone was a murderer, everyone was there's a demon behind every door. And we started hearing stories when I was younger, and it was weird because as an adult I reached out to several classmates. This is a few years ago, and some of us, like, you know, we weren't the same clicks in high school. We didn't really talk. You know. As adults, that kind of stuff goes away. You know, you can start to talk to folks that we would never talk to in high school. And no matter what background you had, or what click you were in, or even what year you were in school, we all are the same story that out on River Road there are cultists in the woods that are sacrificing animals, children, They're killing people. It's bloody, it's it's it's a terrible thing. There's cultests, there's doing witchcraft, black magic, the whole nine. Well, up until a few years ago, we were never able to really prove that any of that was happening. And then, funnily enough, fact, you know, fast forward a few years later, we are the cultists out in the woods doing weird stuff. No, no sacrificing, you know, but no. But but I've often wondered, like. But it's one of those stigmas that when someone sees someone doing something that's even remotely magic related or a cult related. They automatically assume it's evil and yeah, satanic evil and that. So it could also be a gross exaggeration of someone who does practice magic in a proper and safe way. But it was very specific. That's when Bob first told me all this. It was a very specific scenario. Like it's not like a generality where they're like, oh, there's there's evil people out in the world. Well, yeah, of course there's evil people out in the world. You had the good and the bad. But this was a very specific area, specifically River Road, Like this was a actual road that connects Piqua in Sydney, Ohio, and it is weird at night. I can see that from experience. But they had a specific stretch of the woods that was talked about too. With these it's like it's like people had actually seen these horrible events happening and that they were retelling it and warning children and who were growing up in this area, like this is happening, Like it was factual for all these like parents. Yeah, and again it is this just a gross oversimplification of one person saw something and then the mob mentality. And when I say mob mentality, what I strongly recommend people do if they haven't already. It's it's not the most recent Halloween movie, but the one before I think it's the second most recent one, where it's The Evil Dies Tonight, where quite literally this mob was created because one person was extremely upset they were taking along to their own hands, and then they had this mass hysteria generated very quickly because they said, we as a town are going to take over, We're going to kill Michael Myers. I've seen that happen in real life where literally, like like I said, as a kid, there was never a problem staying at someone else's home, there's never a time going to visit new friends from school. Nothing, Then the murders happened, all of a sudden, evils behind every doorstep, and it's something that we're still seeing today, and I think it's even it's weird because it's exacerbated more, but it's it's way better hidden because of the online presence of creators. And it's a very interesting juxtaposition to find yourself in where you know, you have a show like ours where we discuss these things that the mundane person, the uninitiated may consider evil or demonic or what have you. But when I when I hear about dog Man, I don't think, okay, well that's that's a ward of satan. I think, oh, well that's as that might be something we haven't discovered yet. This could be a creature or you know, an actual cryptosological creature that's just undiscovered. Or maybe it is something that's extra dimensional or ultra dimensional or extra terrestrial in nature. You know, you have these different ways to think about these things. And kind of going back to Sydney a little bit, it was just weird. So we all have the same exact memory. But when some of these folks went ask their parents where they had heard it, they the parents knew about it, but they didn't know where they had initially heard it. And it's okay, is this just a you know, is it a sixty minutes thing? Because because during the Manson trials especially, you know, there there was this new wave of fear that small town communities just didn't have before. And living in Ohio, you know, like like I said, we we didn't lock our doors, we didn't have this fear, and all of a sudden, I'm sorry, all of a sudden, something happened so close to home. So then the fear was is it rationalized, does it realize, is it amplified that Brittany just said, or is it something else entirely? And where are these ultra specific things coming of this one stretch of river Road. They're Satanists, they'll kidnap you, the whole line. And you know, I've gone as far as reading you know, the Finders Cults research notes that had been submitted. So there were some sects supposedly in Ohio. Nothing was even remote they were in Cincinnati. The coult scene in Cincinnati was a lot bigger than folks actually realized, but there was nothing in Sydney, which is an hour and a half north. I was never able to really lock down any singular this is for sure happening here. And you know from what I hear now since we've moved, you know, Sydney is kind of fallen at a stage of disarray with the crime, but still no evil cult to stuff kidnappings that are happening. There's some people wearing you know, robes in the woods, terrorizing a small town. And that's where I think the Satanic panic really was shown to me at a young age, and I kind of bottled that away until we met Marco Visconti, who he wrote the Alista Crowley Manual and he discusses the Satanic Panic briefly. We had him on our show and I got to see the way that this is a worldwide phenomenon, like it's it's not just here in the US. I mean he's over in the UK. I think he's from Italy initially. Yeah, and he got to see this first hand through the OTO, which he was a member of, and it was a very interesting, you know, conversation we had on that front. But it's just weird how interconnected we are as a species, even if we're not on the same you know, continent. Really, So that's my sheel off the Satanic Panic. Not everything's a demon. We need to stop pretaining it, pretending it is. We also need to stop circling dust on Facebook and saying it's an orb. I can't, I can't anymore. I had to throw that out there. You're just you're just putting all your heels that you die out there today. It's not just the orbs, it's literally Bigfoot, it's literally any type of cryptid. I just see red circles and paradolia. Yeah, Now, admittedly, you know, we we did an episode, a random Nautica episode, and I we do a lot of interviews, so I apologize for you if we told this story before. But we did a random Nautica episode and all have Brittany tell the whole story. But we were accused quite a few different times of faking some evidence from this story that we we had, and I'll have Brittany kind of jump in and tell the story. But to your to your credit here, I that's the love hate I have with me a podcast host, because folks send me stuff pretty frequently. Hey Bob, what is this? What kind of demon is this? Is this really mothman? I'm like, you didn't that's a streak on your windshields? Yeah, or you didn't manually focus your your camera properly. I'm sorry. And it reminds me there's this meme of this guy who was extremely stone and he took a picture he had a banana on his dashboard and he posted on Facebook. It's like, holy shit, the moon is huge tonight because it was a reflection of the banana on the dashboard. That's what a lot of this reminds me of. Like, you know, there's a probably a very logical explanation of either A. With the rise of AI, it's fake and there are you know, I am a strong supporter of AI. I am as long as it's you know, proper regulated. It's in moderation. We're not using it to present new facts. But with AI getting as good as it is, we're not far away from another Patterson Gimlin film, you know, we're really not. And there's one gentleman I follow on TikTok, and I apologize for not knowing his name, but he has been he kind of way to manute play AI in a way that looks fairly real. And he has this this I think it's called Appalacha untold or apple latcha after Dark untold. It's something along those lines on TikTok of all these creatures from Appalachia that he is using AI to bring to life. And there's a few of them that look if if you had just woken up in the morning and someone said you that link, like, oh, that looks real. And then when you start to really you know, analyze, okay, well that has three fingers and this one doesn't make any sense at arms backwards? What what have you you know, the typical AI tropes, but there's a handful of them that are like this is pretty good, like this is this is pretty big, very good, and you know, I often have to remind folks, this is the worst AI will ever be. And if it's already looking pretty good or pretty real, and these deep fakes are starting to pass. I mean, the Taylor Swift stuff in the politics lately was terrifying to see how realistic that looked. We're not far off from you know, a lot of these. Uh. I think our field is going to hit a very strong wall here shortly of what's fake and what's real. But I want Brittany to tell the random Nautica story because that's one that we got accused of faking. And I was there in person, I saw this, and I'll be able to tell my you know, the hill I dial with this one at the end. But Brittany, please go ahead. Yeah. So Randon Nautica, just a brief brief summary of it is basically this intention app where you don't really input anything into it. You sit there for a second. It generates random coordinates it does have access to, like your location, and that's how it picks coordinates near you. But other than that, that's as far as I know, it's its only function is to generate coordinates. Now, I haven't had the app for a few years now, so I don't know what updates they've made or anything like that. But at the time, it was basically a practice and intention setting and you don't even tell there's no communication between you and the app, Like if you're saying I want to see something blue, the app has no way of knowing that that's what you want to see. Yeah, And I think it even says like to sit, meditate, and I'm pretty sure even has like a noticing do not say it out loud, because that and issues a lot. What a lot of people thought was happening was you were saying, Okay, well I want to see a red house, and it heard red house and that found something off Google Images. And I'm prety sure at least back then, there was a precursor that was like, don't say it out loud, think about what you want to see, and then I think you have to hit a button and then. It'll be generating while you think about it. So the absolutely job is just to give you coordinates. So we had decided to make a video on it because kind of going back to the Satanic panic, there was a lot of those aspects when it came to Randomnanica. A lot of people thought it was evil, had malicious intents. There were a group did find some dead bodies. Correct, There was a group of kids, a group of teenagers who who had found a couple of Jane Doe's at the time using the random Nannica app Now that the coordinates themselves didn't put them right at where the body was, but it was pretty close and it was kind of on the way to where the coordinates were going. Now, the Cordins took h it took us to took us to a few different locations. One was in town, one was out of town. It was like this old abandoned schoolhouse. And then the last one it took us to was the Tip City golf course, the disc golf course Tipsity, the disc golf. We have been corrected about this so many There is a difference between golf and disc golf. I mean that there is a difference because the disc golf course. So these coordinates in particular in Ohio. So in Ohio, there's not really like a vast forest in most areas. I mean, if you go to Hawking Hills, they have a pretty widespread of forest. But typically it's like. A rectangular spread of trees. Yeah yeah, in between fields. Yeah, you separate the properties. Yeah. Now you will see some you know, some woods as you're getting close to West Virginia or Kentucky. But even then, actually when you're crossing into Kentucky, it's just Cincinnati. Yeah. You know, you see the best stadium in the continental US. That's what you see before. Yeah, yeah, I knew that one was coming. But yeah, there's not like necessarily a vast stretch of woods like there is, you know, an Appalachia, But in this particular stretch of Ohio, it's it's they're connected. Like there's no way a creature or something could run like straight through and just stay in the woods the whole time, if that makes sense. Okay, perfect. So the the Cordons himself were in the actual disc golf course and they were in a similar stretch of woods. Now this was s summer summer. Yeah, it was either late spring, early summer. Yeah. Yeah, And the coordinates themselves were in that stretch of woods, like I said, and the thicket was very thick, I mean briers all over your legs, like cutting you open if you're not careful. So we had gone through and we had kind of followed the disc golf course until we got like right across from where the coordinates were in the woods, and we actually had to traverse into the woods. And we saw right as we entered into the woods, we saw a couple of clothing items. I think like a pair of panties. Yeah, it was a dirty underwear. Yeah, maybe a crop top or something. I think a bed sheet too. Yeah. And now for your listeners that are gonna go to the Tails mid Arch YouTube channel and find this. This was shot years ago on a Canon T seven I. This is the only thing I will ever fault Tyler Terry for was telling me to buy a Canon T seven I. I was pretty convinced it was a good video. It was not a good video camera, Tyler, you knew it wasn't. You just want me to have the same camera as he did. So the video quote it is, it is what I say. It's fine, it's it's it's better than a cell phone, but not by much of that time period. But please, Brittany continue. So Bob was kind of cattiwollbus to me, but he was ahead of me and he was holding the camera. He was in front, so I wasn't like obscuring him or anything. And as we're walking through the briars, Bob filmed something seemingly run through the woods, and I'll have him kind of describe what he saw because he got a better view of it than I did, because you know, Bob was taller than me. So yeah, So when we arrived initially at the you know, the dirty panties and stuff like, oh, well, this is our our because I think I think the the inspiration used with something ghostly, yeah, something along those lines. I'm like, oh, well, you know that's pretty ghostly, you know, dirty panties. Sure, whatever, And then Brittany was like, well, no, we're not actually at the coordinates. And I'm like, eh, we're close enough, and she's like, no, we're not actually at the coordinates. Like okay, well we'll go through. And like Brittany said, I'm kind of like walking through. I'm filming with one hand. This is before I knew what a gimbal was, let alone had a gimbal. So it's not the most stable footage when we're getting into this location. And to preface this, I'm six five. Back then, I was probably a little closer to six six. I've had some knee issues where my height's not what it once was, unfortunately. But you know, I'm about six five three forty three fifty. I'm a pretty large individual. So I'm not accustomed, especially in the woods. Like I said, I grew up hunting in this area, not in tipsity specifically, but in you know, yeah, that general area. I'm not accustomed to see many things in central Ohio that are larger than me in the woods. And I saw something run by that was it was a black mass is really what I saw. But I knew two things. I knew one thing, I was terrified, and two it was larger than me and extremely fast, fat. And again I've I've seen deer run. I've missed my fair share of deer. I know what to look look like when they run. I do. And I have to preface that next. Everyone who sees this videos as the same, they could have been a deer. Well show me that deer, because that's that's the trophy of all trophies. This is a you know, we're talking a ten foot frickin deer walking around on a tind legs like it was massive. This thing runs from the right side of me to the left side of me, and it's just gone, like you blink, you miss it type of deal. And I took the footage because because I was so convinced, like, no one's gonna believe us, because we're I don't think we had the podcast at that point. Now this is before the podcast. Yeah, I'm like, I'm an up and coming channel. I had like seven hundred subscribers at this point. Maybe I'm like, I'm covering, you know, weird case. I think I can rely the Ohio tell me the history of wage of boards and a handful of small like eight to ten minute UFO clips, you know, and some internet arg stuff, and I'm like, I'm up becoming I have weird. No one's gonna believe this I captured on film. This thing is huge, like I said, and did we did. Eventually we visit. We found a small, like nest looking area, perfectly circular. If you go far enough back in the tailsmand Dark facebook group, I'm sure the posts are still up. I never deleted any of them, but this thing was huge, and it would moved faster than anything I'd ever seen move. And when I say fast, I mean like you blink once or twice. It's it's literally gone thirty feet maybe further. And I have sent this footage out to several people who were at the time studying design work to work on like television shows. The one thing I got back was this thing moved so fast the camera berry barely caught it frame by frame. And they also were able to say it was not doctored. It was not edited in any way, shape or form. And that was huge for me because again I wasn't necessarily proving this to anyone else, proving to myself like that I saw what I actually saw, and I'll let Britney kind of pick up what happens after we see this creature. But I do want to tie it to in Lima, Ohio, which is about thirty five forty minutes north. If anyone's watched The Missing Form when the Hunted. At the very end, David Politis kind of ties the missing for one cases potentially and very loosely to this predator like creature was the mirror Man. You know, it looks the camouflage like like a predator. And you know that happened like forty five minutes north. And I know you had Austin Lawrence on the show. I think Austin's actually spoken to the woman or her husband. I think she worked at the local school or something that Austin went to. But I know he's very familiar with that case. But it was one of those things that we were It shocked me. But I will remember the terror as long as I live because I was frozen, and I am kind of known for not being afraid in these situations. I'm very gung ho. I'll go into a cave two miles underground on New Year's Evil. I'll do whatever. You know, We'll go hunting for coltas out out in summerset. We'll do. You know. I'm very game for a lot of stuff. But this middle of the daytime froze me in my tracks. And when we had revisited it during the evening, I was I recall it, being extremely nervous of what if we walk up on this thing at night? What are we going to do? But I'll throw it back to Brittany, let her explain what happened after we saw this creature because it makes it all synchronistic but also more unbelievable than what had happened up to this point. Yeah, so, I mean, basically the creature had run. I didn't really I heard movement. I kind of feel like maybe I did see something, but for the most part I was looking down trying not to get stuff by briars, and Bob was frozen, and I think you even said, like, what the fuck was that? And you were just complete, like I'd never seen you like that before. And once I kind of snapped you out of it, we kind of tried to follow its path and tried to recreate where it ran, and we had visited the same exact area a couple times afterwards. But yeah, there was like a looking area of like damp leaves. For me, I'd watched that footage quite a bit, and I know that something Bob doesn't talk about often, but we we do. We did take the footage also down to some good old boys down in apple Atcha in eastern Kentucky, and there were a couple of contacts that we made with our extensive time we'd spent down there. They had hunted all their lives, spent a whole bunch of time in the woods, I mean lived off the lands kind of thing. The one gen when we spoke to he literally owns like several acres in the woods in Kentucky. He had told us his own grandfather's Bigfoot story. He's he's what I call a skeptical believer, where he's like, I don't believe until I see it. Yeah, Bigfoot's real goblins are real ghost and real Apart from that, it's all nonsense. He's one of those kind of goal But those those are the best kind of guys because they're gonna they're going to approach everything with a very health rational and a healthy level of skepticism, but also with a rational mindset. And yeah, yeah, so Brittany, we showed him the footage. Yeah, so this is obviously after we had filmed it. There's still some more stuff to the story. But we had taken that footage to him and his brother as well, or cousin or something. They're two good old boys that we talked too frequently, and they had we took it on an iPad and we were we let them. Like scrub through it, zoom in, uh, look at it. And there was one thing that he saw that I also saw, and I did not tell him about it. He pointed out himself. When I watched that footage, it's very hard to see. I could specifically make out what look like an elbow. There was a gatorade bottle that got flipped in the air like someone flicked their wrist, had it in like their thumb and their pointer finger and flipped it up with their wrist as it took like whatever it was took off, and you can make out the crease of an elbow, as if someone's pumping their arms. Yeah. I will never forget that day in the vape store where these two gentlemen work, because Britney felt so vindicated bey I did because I was being told I would it's crazy, and she had brought this up. I think on the podcast later that something's pumping its armed. We're told no, and then he that's the first thing he points out, and he's like, well, it ain't a deer, And I said, how do you know. He's like, is deers don't pump their arms when they run. And I was like, fuck, okay. Well momb wasn't gasliny or anything. But you know, people who had seen the footage, uh, you know, I mean that's with anything you release that you know not everyone's going to agree with you. And that's totally okay, and that's necessary, especially if you want any kind of scientific movement on something as weird and crazy as high Strangeness. Now, admittedly, the footage, if you're watching on a small phone screen, you can't see it. It's next to impossible to see. So I think we even have a precursor, maybe it's a pencomic sayings like please watch this on an iPad or a computer screen, because you if you're watching on a phone, especially with the way that backlit screens work, it's very hard to see. We did add you know, the stereotypical YouTuber circle, because I just you blink and you miss it. Yeah. So it's one of those things I tell folks like, if you're gonna watch it, please watch it on a large enough screen to see what we're talking about. Because we had a comment like two days ago saying, hey, stop pushing people to this BS, there's nothing there. I've watched it six times. I don't see a single thing. But then there's a comment like two below. I'm like, I have no idea what that is. I see what you're talking about this is terrifying. So yeah, and you know, if it was just footage, like if we hadn't seen anything with our own eyes, this would be a completely different conversation. It would be something that would be most likely shocked up to you know, just well, a weird glitch in the camera, because that's something Bob is very very familiar with. You know so much about that, especially because of the paranormal background that you have. So yeah, well, I am kind of like a There are folks that listen to our show that hate sending me stuff because I. You are the residential debunker. Yeah. Well, because I've seen so many clips over the years. I've been to so many locations filming. I do know what camera's do in the dark. I'm very familiar with it. And I'm also familar with people that love to get attention and validation through their clicks. So I'm very cautious when someone sends to be a brand new clip, especially if they themselves did not film it. And this is one of those that we actually we went back and forth like or we're even going to put this up because it's so unbelievable and it's so convenient that were these up and coming people that are in the paranormal community that you know, captured something ridiculous, but you know, thinking back on it now having several years in the film, like, yeah, well, it's just like if you go to a dog park every day, you're more likely to see a dog. Yep, if you go to a supposedly haunted location over and over and over, you are more likely to capture something, you know, unexplainable. Yeah. So the last part of that story is we went to the coordinates, which we're further in, funnily enough, where this thing kind of ran to was further in we had tried to recreate. Bob had me stand exactly where he was standing, and Bob tried to run through the thicket. He could not. It was impossible. It was very thick, untraversible, like if you were going in a high speed. Yeah. That's also how we gauged how tall this thing was because I stood up exactly where it started running from, and I'm like, oh, this thing is you know, like I said, I'm six five, I would maybe be at its belly button. With how big this thing really, I mean it had to be. I wouldn't say that's quite that I'd say at least chess. Yeah. I Like that's how we we were able to determine how tall this thing was was by me standing exactly where it took off running from. And that's when I'm like, oh, I looked. I think I looked up like National Geographic, like how tall are deers on their hind legs? Okay, well this thing was taller than a deer on its hind legs. And there are no bear in this part of Ohio. Yeah, and a bear couldn't have gone that fast. But we went to the coordinates, didn't really see anything weird at the coordinates. It was kind of more of an open area and the woods, which was weird considering like how much thicket we'd traverse to get to this. We came out of the world and there were a couple old men that we had ran into on the way in, and so we kind of stopped to stopped him and said, hey, you know, have you guys seen anything weird here? You know, the typical line. And one old man just was not interested. He was mad. I'm assuming he lost his disc golf and he just was like no and then went off. But the other one was chatty, and the other one proceeds to tell us that there's been a couple of sidings a bigfoot around that area, and one of them, in particular, there was a man he come, well, this gentleman who we were talking to came to the disc golf course frequently, and on his way in there used to be a man who would sit right on the bank across from the park area in a chair with a gun. Apparently I think he did say he sat with her with a shotgun, right I was. A lawn chair with a shotgun like every day. And one of the days he kind of stopped and said, hey, you know, what are you doing out here? And this guy apparently told him that he had seen a bigfoot out there at one point he was gonna stop him. He was going to catch him, and he was going to stop him. So we thought that was super weird considering what we had just seen, and we went home did research. I did some research on BFRO. Turns out there's three different cases that happened around that same area. One of them was I believe like fifteen years before, like during this time, so probably I think two thousand and five. A woman and two small children were walking right where you drive your car in, very close to where the coordinates were, and Bigfoot came out and scared her and her family and they had to run away. So there's a history there as well of this strange, strange creatures. And there's also a pretty major river that ran through directly through that disc golf course as well. So yeah, and for your listeners, you might not understand the importance of a river. I would challenge most people when they look at the majority of like very high profile, high strangeness cases where we can say ufo, we can say crypto, we can even say uh I string up paranormal cases, I would be willing to wager there's a major river either extremely close or right on the property. Some kind of major body of water, and even even funny enough, large aqua force underneath the earth have also been the underneath the top soil that has also been attributed to some cases of high strenges as well. Yeah, water seems to be a conduit. Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, I know, we discussed Andrew Gold last time I was here, But I mean just look at the moth Maana Point Pleasant I mean, right on the Ohio River. The Ohio River Valley is rife with high strangess cases where you're talking Ashley Kentucky all the way over to Point Pleasant. But I know we're run out of time here, but I did want to bring up one funny thing that happened to me relatively recently. So I'm sure a lot of your audience has watched the show Hellier and the New Kirk State if they if you haven't, they did an amazing deep dive into just the Kentucky weird is the best way way to put it. And for me, that really like set us on the path we're on today. Now now we've gone, you know, pretty pretty far astray from Hellier. But one big thing in hell You're that they discussed was they thought that they had found the location of injured Gold's home, which, funnily enough, Brittay and I had ran out a separate UH Instigator investigation and we we Andy Colevin, the gentleman who edited Flying Saucers with the Center of Your Mind, which is a collection of works by John Keel, who is famous for the Mothman sidings of Point Pleasant. Andy Colevid, I give us an. Address to that we went to in the middle of the night. Yeah, we we just we just within an hour of talking. This is word. I'm like, okay, we're going right now. And so we just like up and left to find Injured Colds home. But in Hellier they think that they found, you know, indured Cold's home. Based off the book Secret Sideher the Youth Euphonauts, written by Alan Greenfield. Now, we've been lucky enough to kind of befriend Alan as much as you can be lucky to befareen Alan Greenfield if you're familiar with his work, if you're not, he is the embodiment of the trickster element that we seem to see throughout all of these high whether you're talking euphological right down to these hauntings. This guy you can ask them for advice and I'll give it to you. But he's gonna give it to you in a string of riddles and odd statements that you have decipher him. Yeah, and he'll never tell you if you're right or wrong. But it has just Look, if you could see him face to face, he'd probably just look at you and just shrug and be. Like, well maybe it could be, could be. Yeah, Alan's a fantastic author. He's been, he's been if you have had him on your show, I'd highly recommend reaching out to him. He's been doing this since the sixties. I mean, this guy is he's the real deal. He's an amazing, amazing figure in the magical community as well as just the the UFO field. But they had used Alan's book to kind of decipher, you know, the wagon Wheel restaurant, a bunch of other weird things. And I've always, for some reason, even before we had gotten into doing investigations of our own, I had kind of thought, Man, I don't think that Ashland is right now. Ashland, Kentucky is an extremely, extremely bizarre location. And when I say extremely bizarre, I mean it has the same feeling as point pleasant. It feels like you're in a dream. You can tell live, Yeah, you can tell that there's weird stuff happening here on the regular. But the Wagon Bool restaurant, I was like, man, I don't know about that whatever. And not too far from Brittain and I live now, there's some mountains and we've been trying to go to this this this state park that has these mounds in it for literal months, and every time we get there, they either just open just closed, or the last of me went Google said they were open, but they had opened like like what the week after. Yeah, and I had never really gone past that location, past where these mounds are. They're paid attention to it. Yeah, there's an amazing barbecue place across the streets. So you know, my brain goes to barbecue. And this happen a little while ago that it happened again while I was out that way for work. As I'm rounding a corner, I happen to see this, this old, kind of decrepit restaurant right around the corner from these mounds. So you know, mounds have a major historical and historical significance. I apologize with high strangers in general. You know, things weird things, weird lights in the sky happen around mounds. It's a very weird phenomenon, to say the absolute least. And I think it's Tom Dudding has written a bunch of really good books about the mound doors. But as I'm heading that way for work, I round the corner and I it's it's the nighttime, and I see the wagon Wheel restaurant, and I think Britney and I had found this previously, and we'd like, oh, that's crazy, and then we just never really did much. Yeah, it just it's one of those things that you just you put in the back of your brain like okay, whatever. And again, you know they had used the wagon Mill restaurant in Hell you're to kind of figure out where in dred Cold's home was. And again we've been to Ashland. It has never really sat right with me. And funnily enough, here I am and you know, the whirl town in Kentucky, and I find the wagon wheel restaurant right next to the biggest mounds in the area by far. I start to do some research, talk to some of the locals. Okay, well there's UFO phenomenon like crazy in this town. There's haunted locations. There's a church that sounds eerily familiar to the investigation the hell your crew is doing, you know, like a block away from the Wagonweel restaurant. All the signs kind of fit. And the intersection of the two rivers, yeah, it intersects. I think it's the Ohio River in the Mississippi River. Yeah. And again you have all these this this perfect trifecta of nonsense for all the things that we love to discuss in one central area. And that's why I tell a lot of folks. And my point of telling the story is just because you've heard the history of something, when there's a mystery involved, take the time to unpack it yourself. If something doesn't seem right to you, your intuition might be onto something, just take a second look, especially if you're if you're blessed enough, if you're in a position that you can go and investigate these things yourself. Take the ten minutes, like go outside, try and find this stuff on your own, and you'll find a real love and enjoyment for satisfying that need for one but also doing it on your own and getting to actually have that experience. So that's where I want to leave us. Like, I know, we probably want a little bit over on our time, but that was an interesting thing for us, and that's something we're currently unpacking, you know. Funnily enough, mm. Hm, So I wanted to before we wrap it up, I'm going to go back to the thing prior, Like what you saw did you think it at first? Like the crypti thing? Do you think it was a bigfoot? Like if you had to say right here, right now, like, would you think actually it was out there that you caught on film? I would say yes, and I think, well, I don't know if your opinion has changed, because I'm more leaned towards yes, and I think bobling towards no. But we also kind of like gaslight ourselves a little bit because like the the the community that was the Bigfoot researchers at the time, that we had reached out for help because we genuinely wanted answers for that, for that footage. We wanted help. We wanted answers if anyone had seen anything like that. A lot of people were very unkind, and that was during the early times the Tales from the Dark, So I would it's been a minute since we had actually reopened that kind of investigation, but I mean it was a bipedal looking creature, So if I had to classify, I would probably say, yeah. See for me, if you asked me a year ago, I'd say, yep, bigfoot. And that's where that's where I would stop it. I would say that we captured something that we as of right now have not discovered. And I would say and my problem was saying it's it's a big foot, for example. Is our minds have been opened up to so many other cryptids that really do match this description. Now, if I had seen a hairy ape like beast, you know, I would say bigfoot. But the problem is I I didn't see the So you know, we're we next time on the show will discuss our time and hunting for the Ohio grass Band. You know, that's that's the Ohio Bigfoot that most folks's familiar with. There was no sense. There was no you know, terrible smell, no sulfur, no rotting flesh that was that was absent. But I'm trying especially hard now in twenty twenty four to get away from putting these things in a box because I think it's unhealthy and I think that that's actually hindering research as a whole. And we're saying that this is definitely a big foot because you know, we found we saw what I thought was a deer many by Loveland one day, this giant like Native American type creature that I've only heard reference in Ohio folklore of no that was on our way to Tennessee to Nashville. Maybe. And this is the problem is we go to too many places. We constantly are doing something. But yeah, we went out one night, we tried to find the Loveland Frogmen and we found a castle. It was that's a whole other story for the next time we're on the show. But I don't want to put it in a box, but I will say that we saw something strange, and we saw something that's right up ra ally. That's what I can say definitively. And again, it was bigger than me. That's not common for me to see in the woods. And again this isn't common to see in general. You're a very tall man. Usually when I see someone taller than me, I'm like, oh, your knees hurt, you're gonna die soon. That's the first place that my brain does, You're taller than me by like two inches. There's not too many people I ever run into that are taller than me, So yeah, exactly. But again, it's one of those things like it isn't like a hyper mach you think, oh, I'm such a big guy, but it's more of I'm a large individual, and something substantially larger than me and way faster than I could ever hope to move, ran in front of me. And you know, I like to think, Okay, well, I'm just that intimidating that I can scare stuff that big. It's probably more of just like, hey, you walked in my house. Yeah, I mean, if someone walked into my house, that's my size, and I'm not expecting I'm gonna run away to that's my first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna run. But but yeah, so that's where I would land. I would say, we definitely saw something that fits the calendar what we discuss on our shows. But I don't know that it was a bigfoot because I don't know enough about bigfoot. Then you would think, after you know this many years, several hundred episodes of our show, i'd be an expert. But we go back to no one's an expert in the spiel and anything. I hate the term expert because it's at the end of the day, like, Okay, you're an expert in bullshit. That's what it comes down to. That's the truth of it is. No one is an expert. Everyone is an expert in their own mind. That's about it. We're all still students exactly. Well, guys, we can wrap this one up. So I do want to say thanks again. For coming on here, but before we blows out, I would like for you to talk about the book one more time and where everyone can check you out at Yeah. Absolutely so. The book that just released on Tuesday is The Tales from the Dark Black Widows is currently on Amazon. You can get it for Kendall as well, so you can either get a physical copy or read it digitally. And yeah, I think it's thirteen ninety nine on Amazon, so pretty pretty affordable. And we would love for you guys to read it. And we put a lot of effort into that season specifically, and I personally had a lot of a lot of fascinating things that I learned while writing for The Black Widows. And they're interesting ladies, I can tell you that for sure. But also if you do, if you do buy it, please leave us a review. We would love to see you guys's thoughts and what you thought of everybody who joined us for those cases and yeah. And for the actual podcast. We're on every major pod, every major and most minor podcast platforms. Just search Tales from the Dark, you know the four separate words there. We're also on Facebook. I highly recommend you guys joined the Facebook group. It's just tails from the Dark. Over on Facebook, it's your logo we do. We do a lot of interaction with the audience, especially when we're doing investigations. We want to get everyone's opinion because we love We do a lot of live streams now as well over on TikTok. What I tell a lot of folks is when it comes to research of high strangeness, you can't get keep We're gonna get there a lot faster with the three thousand members we have in the group than if Britney and I to sit down and trying through this on our own our row. And so if you're interested in joining us for an investigation, join the Facebook group. That's a number one way to do it. We have a discord as well that we haven't updated in some time, but there's still folks and that are still talking, sharing memes, having a great time as well. Awesome. I'll make sure to include all that in the show notes for anyone listening. But Bob and Brandan, it's been a pleasure talking with you again. We'll have to do it again here soon. Oh absolutely, any time you got time for us, you just let us know. Yes, thank you so much. Yep, not a problem. You guys have a good night, Ye you too, And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltel dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone. Seems on sounds and the headphones. Yeah, it's turns rock. Got a story about a cryptic creature. Let's take a walk, bigfoot up. Then they're out there in the talk. But the truth is out there likingly as fuck. UFO sightings got the whole. World show. Conspiracies on phones like a story in the book me consol trying to. Keep us by. We're all gonna use the whole line in history. They don't want us to know the secrets sa Hi, since they will show Donna society. 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