Ep. 141: Bigfoot & The Journey to Belief

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us, and one. Of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode, We're gonna be joined by my guest Stacy Brown. Some of you in the Bigfoot community may know Stacy. His father and him had a clear image video that became pretty popular a few years back of what could have been a sasquatch. 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I also like to make movies, something also I've been doing since I was young. But it was cool because I was able to, you know, kind of blend the two together, you know, I can I use all my stuff I've been doing for a while, you know, and make content, helps you, helps you make content. But slowly trying to get out of the Bigfoot content realm at least, you know, I want to go more like movies, you know what I'm saying. So as a kid, that was something that I always wanted to do, was make movies. I always wanted to be the director. I wanted to film videos, make movies. And I used to have the old camcorder and I'd go out and I used to take my toys and make stop motion stuff. Oh yeah, same here, bro, But no, I've always been fascinated with the monsters and everything too, So it's just kind of must be something to do with us about that same age time frame and everything else, Like that's what we're all interested in making movies and Bigfoot. Yeah, you know, my dad had been in some like film school at some point, and he had all this you know gear in these books and stuff of wanted to do what daddy had done, you know what I mean, even though he never pursued it. He went. He also is the reason I got into Bigfoot and stuff because like Unsolved Mysteries, you know, that was that was it for me, you know, That's what kind of hooked me. That's kind of where I was too. Like I used to always watch Unsolved mysteries. The creepier ones used to scare me as a kid, but those are the ones I always. Liked, bro. They scare me so bad. So, like you're probably watching it in the early nineties, you know, like I was somewhere probably ninety three ninety four. Do you remember the show's sightings. Yep? I remember sightings. Yeah, they had the Elvis Presley like people were seeing Elvis. I don't know if you remember this, but they had all these Elvis sightings, and I had this lady they were interviewing and Elvis. She like taking a picture of Elvis sitting on her like porch, steps on her back porch, you know, and they did some computer generated image of his face. They're like, this is what he would look like now, and it looks scary as hell with me, you know, he's this old, withered man, right, And then we ended up. As soon as that ended, Daddy took us up to the convenience store. And so, like we lived in the middle of nowhere, there was a convenience store by the high school and they rented movies and this old ice cream and stuff. But went up there, got us ice cream and I think a video game, and come back to the house and uh we the dad parks the car, my sister gets out, and I'm about to get out, and my dad goes what's on the roof and bro I slammed the damn door and screamed, and my sister's beating on the door trying to get in, trying to get into my my Dad's like, whoa, whoa, what is going on? He's freaking out now, and I'm like, bro, I thought Elvis was double yuse like that show scared me so bad. But in that moment, I legitimately thought when he said that, my first thing, you know, was Elvis, not the cat, right like that that made the most sense. But like in seven year old Stacy's mind, it was Elvis Presley on our double wide and Crosfodville, Florida. So I grew up. A lot of my family are huge Elvis fans, so a lot of them are all about it. So for me, I just I don't know. I guess if I thought Elvis was out there, everyone would have been excited. Oh yeah, my dad was a huge Elvis fan, and you know, I probably would have been excited too, had it not been for that damn image that they had up there. I don't remember that episode, so. Yeah, you had to look it up. Man. But there was some There was a movie and it had like dan Aykroyd and I think Chevy Chase was in it and some other people. But dan Aykroyd was this old like fat man. It was kind of a gross movie, but they lived out. He was like a judge. Yes, nothing but trouble or something like that. Yeah, so that's what Elvis looked like when they showed his face. I was so it was like seeing dan Akroyd from that movie, and I was like, no, bro, I don't want to see Elvis. You know, was please stay away from here. That's a very obscure movie. But dan Akroyd wrote it and directed, and I think I was like one of the only ones he ever wrote and directed because it didn't do that great in the box office. But I actually liked that movie as a kid. That movie was great, dude. I see, it was cool when you were a kid and you didn't have to worry about everybody telling you the movie sucked, you know, or like the box office was bad. So now when you watch the film, you're gonna, you know, be kind of bias one way or another. And you know, you just got to watch the movie as you should, you know, when you were a child, and then so you could hear it was great. You know, you can see it was great. I don't really get hung up on box office stuff. To me, I don't care if people like the movie. As long as I like it, that's all that matters to me. Yeah. Yeah, Well, so like a twenty four makes a bunch of films that are really like visually stunning. And I seen The Lighthouse right, and it was a twenty four film, and I was like, oh wow, so their films must be great. And then I watched another one. Can't remember what it was, but it was really good. Oh Midsummer it was really good too. And then so I'm like, oh, all these people are talking about The Green Knight when that one came out, how good it was, how good it was. And then you watch it and it's like, what did y'all see? It sucks so bad? And then lamb, like that movie was awkward. I think the lady in that movie was accusing her husband and having sex with that goat. Yeah you know, yeah, there's this little goat baby born like goat man thing. And I missed the first probably minute of the film because I had to pee real bad. And I got in there and sat down and I'm like, oh man, I got a pee, and then a ren peede came back. I missed the first little bit, and in that first little bit you see what kind of looks like the Pope Lick monster. These dogs are attacking it, right, and these people live out in the middle of nowhere in this little village, and this man of woman and this damn like goat boy, sheep boy or whatever is born right a little lamb and uh, that lady was like putting off vibes thinking her husband, you know, fathered that child. I think it was kind of it was weird, but it was all these reviews were so great and everybody was telling me it was so good, and the movie was like two Like it was absolutely terrible. Well it was not like a European movie too, like from Sweden or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seeing stuff about it, but I never watched it. Yeah, well, good for you, you know, because that was a damn waste of probably six hours, because I watched it a few times to see if there was something I missed that would make more sense, you know. But the movie it was just terrible. And then like with The Green Night, when that one, they tell you what's gonna happen at the beginning of the movie, and then that's what happens. Like I watched the whole movie waiting on something else to happen, you know, So I'm like, uh, some just like random thing. No, it's exactly like how they stated was gonna happen at the beginning of the movie. I was like, this sucks, dude, Like damn, I wanted a damn twist in there or something. I don't know, And maybe I'm in the wrong here, but when I watched The Witch, and I think The Witch was an age twenty four movie too, Yeah, I wanted to really like that movie, but I just was so bored with it. Oh same here. You know, everybody was like, it's scary. You know what part was scary? I never found it was scary. I literally almost fell asleep trying to watch it because it was just so boring to me. Yep. The only thing I liked was how they shot it right, Like it looked really good. The music was really good, but it was okay. Like it had a creepy vibe to it. But it wasn't that everyone made it out to me. And I think that was the problem is I'd heard so much things about how scary and how great it was, and I watched and I was just let down. Yeah, and that's that's the masses, dude, that's the problem. It's like, do y'all really like this or you just saying you like it because somebody else said it was good because you know Tho's people like that, and it's in every facet of everything. Like I unfortunately have to hear a lot of Taylor Swift, right, you get it. But dude, like I would blow my brains out if I listen to that music all the time. Like a lot of it is so sad. She's just writing these sad twos And I'm like, my daughters are in their room, they got the mood lights on and this music playing that I come in here, I'm like, damn, who died? Bro, Like, you do you actually like this music or is it just because it's the cool thing to do? You know? I got caught up with that. You know, I was into Limp Biscuit, so I'll admit it, you know, yeah, but that was the one and only, Bro, that was the only time they got me on that. Looking back with him Jinko's and it, you know that chain wallet and stuff. Nope, So you and I were the same age, so we had come up from the same era. But no, I can definitely really I had the Jinkos, I had all the new metal shirts. I had the big chains hanging off my pants were like fifty inch bell bottoms at the bottom of you trip over them as you walked. It would suck because it rains so much here, the bottom of your jeans would get wet, and then you're just like this cold, nasty, dirty jean is touching my leg. It was just setting me off. Every time. I'd be like, oh, just grossed out. Back in the old days, I had my air walks, and then they turned into Etne's and everything else. But like, those were the shoes, the jeans, the big baggy shirts. Oh yeah, when we were kids, it was the pump up shoes. Yeah, the Bo Jackson and the Emmett Smith, the La Gear, all them shoes. You just pumped them up. And like you if your shoes didn't pump up. Bro. And I was small too, so you get the shit beat out of here. You get pushed down. You know. It's like, I don't know what brand they are, but they are blacktops. I think they were. I don't think they're La Gear, but I think they were maybe I think Rebox Rebok black Up. I still have a pair that I found like ten years ago in a random flea market setting, and they're bright purple with like pink on the inside. They're like obnoxious shoes, and I bought them because they were my size. I don't ever wear them, but I have them in my closet and I don't. It's like this is just a childhood things. I used to have rebox blacktops back when I was a kid, and then I never seen them again. It's been like thirty years, and now I've seen them. I had to buy them, Yeah, I did one day. You're gonna have to break them out. Man, when you turn fifty, you gotta wear those shoes. I've worn them a couple of times. They don't They're not very comfortable, but it's kind of hard to. And I always wear obnoxious colored clothes anyways, Like my hat's like super bright green, like my wall and everything else. So to me, the colors don't really matter, but it's just hard to. I want to go out wearing some bright purple tennis shoes or whatever. They don't really go with anything. Right, Well, back on a topic here for the audience. Were kind of got off topic here reminiscent about the old days, But would you like to let us know a little bit about some of your bigfoot experiences. I know you made like a Bigfoot documentary too, we can talk about. Yeah, so I'll just kind of give a cliff notes real like a recap, and then we can get into a few things if you want. So, me and my dad sometime around two thousand and nine, I think started going bigfooting quote you know quotes, because it was more or less a way to get out of the house. And you know, like my sister wouldn't want to go with us, you know what I mean. Nobody would want to go out to the swamp. So it was guy time and we'd go put up trail cams. We never thought anything about no Bigfoot, especially in Florida. We'd heard about the skunk cap but we thought that was in the Everglades, you know, nothing up this way, because we're in North Florida, right, We're about we're about an hour and forty minutes from the Georgia line. Yeah, and. We ended up finding Bigfoot came out and their second episode was in Florida, and they had a lady who had a greasy handprint on the inside of her door, right, and they put the ladies' name on there, and so I looked her up in the phone book and called her and she's like, yeah, y'all can come out, but come out in November because you know it's hot right now and the snakes are bad. So we waited till November. My dad ended up getting sick and he couldn't go, so my bass player went with me and we were just gonna write some tunes, you know, and you know, just do the the Basically, nobody believed in bigfoot. We just thought it was cool, right. But we get out there and as soon as we're coming down the driveway, it's like black image just kind of steps into the tree line and I seen it from about like waist down right, So I thought maybe a hog or something. But we stopped there and me and my buddy like, no way, no way, we just see a bigfoot, right. But you could hear it walking down into this ravine, and so we went up there. The people she drove us, her and her husband drove us around on this like Kawasaki mule. It's like one of them utility ATVs. And they were showing us person saw it here, A person saw one here, And she took us and showed us where these little like structures were. And now they weren't some of them were about as tall as maybe eighteen inches, you know, and then some of them may be waist high, but nothing like these big structures. It looked like something she could do, but they were kind of intricate, you know what I mean. And so whatever, she drives us around to this cabin I say a cabin. It was a we call it the Stabbing cabin because it looked like something out of the Jason Vorhees movie, right, something like on of Friday thirteenth. And it was down this road one way in one way out down. To this. Like a little turnaround. You drove through these like planted pines and there was this turnaround and the shack was right there, and you're on a hill. So the the creek is all probably about one hundred yards downhill in three sides, right because your backsides where your the road is and the tree farm and you're going out. So we get there and she drops us out and says you are the first people to ever stay here overnight, and gave us her number and like Bill's sell and was like, yo, if if anything goes wrong, please call us, right, and which was kind of freaked this out because I was like, you know, the BFR had been here like seven years, but none of them had stayed the night, which was kind of odd. You know, I would think if you're doing Bigfoot research, you. Know, you think you'd spend a little bit more time out there, if you're trying to actually do some real researching. Yeah. Yeah, I especially if you're like you know, because their most active at night. And so she left. We farted around there playing guitar and whatever, and then we walked to the spot where she had the little structures. It was on the top of this huge hill. There's a circle like trail around it, a little like road you drove that cart on. And so we're sitting there and there's this ravine, so like we're sitting on the side of the hill. So it goes down and it's into this ravine and then it goes back up. And that's probably only thirty yards, right, but it goes way down and comes back up, but you're really not that far. And so we're sitting there and the hickory nuts are falling. It's November, but they start falling uphill right like like they're being thrown, and they're bouncing up the hill towards us, you know, so I looked at my buddy, I'm like, dude, He's like, ain't no way. Somebody just threw that. And then another one come by, and then another one, you know. So I had this little like electrical thermal for like looking at wires and stuff. You know. It was a flear, but it's a handheld unit. It's got about three inch screen on it, you know, Electricians use it. And so I was shinded across the scanded across over there in front of us, and there was this little grouping of trees and they couldn't have been maybe two inches in diameter, maybe three inches. They were small, right about the size of a pool queue, right, but there was this huge heat signature behind them, like this thing was trying to hide, you know, And so that we were like, whoa, what is that? So we were scared right from that, but we were a little nervous, I should say, weren't scared yet. Well, we left and we walked back and out from the walk from the camp to where we were setting was probably a little bit over a mile, right, because you had to walk these trails, and they had a bunch of property. But have we known what we ended up finding out later is that we were right by our camp. We were just like two hills over right, So this thing just went right over to our camp. And we're there at camp and we're hearing stuff because the leaf litter was thick, and we're hearing stuff walk around and shining the light. Don't see nothing shining the thermal, don't see nothing. Every now and then you're hearing like a stick snap, like a branch break, things like that. And it got to the point where I held the spotlight on where I heard the footsteps. And I'm serious when I say I waited ten minutes. I mean I waited ten minutes. I just held that light there, and then you start doubting yourself, you know. So I'm like, whatever, turn it off. I walked back up the hill and as soon as I get back top of the hill, it starts walking again, right, I hear the noise again, and like Jesus, So it got to the point where I was like, leave us alone, you know, get out of here. If you're messing with us, leave us a loan. And I at this point I made sure that I was brandishing my firearm right like you could see it. It was a ruder Redhawk forty four magnum, a pretty big pistol. But the reason I bought it was if I ran out of bullets, I actually still use it as a weapon. And so now you you got to think, like, if somebody was messing with us, you can see that chrome plated firearm, and it's shiny. Bro any light hits it, it's it's shining off of it. Are you going to really scare a couple of rednecks? You know? Is that? Is that a good thing to do? You know? So if you're messing with somebody. But so we sit there and we're sitting around a camp, and this is the weird part, And I didn't think about it till a few years later when we started experiencing other things. We were having a conversation and then all of a sudden we heard like a breathing and we turned and looked, and this thing was standing at the tree line looking at us. And it's probably only five seconds it turned around, walked back into the woods. Like the feeling when it happened, I guess it wasn't really a fear per se, you know, like if I was to see a snake, I'd be like, oh shit, right. You know, I'm so scared of them. You know, I don't mind them, but I surprises, you know, I don't like that. But it wasn't like that. It was. It was more of a like when you get that call and somebody's been in a car wreck and it's bad and they're on their way to the hospital. It's that feeling, that helpless feeling. You know, there ain't shit you can do, you know what I mean. And that's what it was. This thing is so big brother that that firearm I had wasn't gonna do nothing. I mean it would have done something at all. Yeah, yeah, you know, uh, And you're in that moment, you're you're at the will of it. Whatever it wants to do is going to happen. There's nothing you can do. You just had to ride it out. And so the thing walks back away, but it doesn't really stop the noises and stuff. Matt ends up going to the tent and going to sleep. Now, in all fairness, we had two tents, but we slept in the same tent. Okay, it was just after that there wasn't no sleeping by yourself. But I wasn't gonna go to sleep. I was like, nope, I am staying up. This thing ain't coming up on me, you know. And I fell asleep sitting on a cooler. I like, I like fell to a knee, right, and I was like, okay. I went and got in the tent, and it was getting a little chilly, and which I think it's in the sixties, but dude, in Florida, if it gets below sixty, I'm in a bad way, right, you know. I start layering up. So somewhere at four o'clock, five o'clock in the morning, it couldn't have been too long before the sun came up, maybe an hour, but I wake up to Matt screaming the top of his lungs. Bro It's like whoa, you know. And when I opened my eyes a tent it's like right in my face. It's one of them dome tints you get from Walmart. Right, you can't stand up in the damn thing. But it's still three and a half foot tall or something, you know. The top of his tent is right in my face. It's saying is pressing down the top of the tent, and those were in there. Yes, it doesn't know what it is. And then it takes off running through the woods and it sounds like something just drove a dowmn s ten off straight off into the woods. You know, no road, you just drove off through the woods. All that noise. We get up the next morning, there ain't no sign of noise. There ain't no branches broken that we can find. We don't even say anything. I call my dad and tell my dad and my dad had got cancer. And he's like, you mean to tell me you've been looking for Bigfoot since she was five years old and you found him, and now you're gonna come home Because we were gonna leave. I was like, no, we're done. We're not standing out here two nights. And he goes, yeah, if you come to the house and we'll punch you in the face. I was like, all right, okay. So me and Matt right up into Chattahoochie there to get some breakfast. We go to the the Hearties and once we get our food, we're sitting at the table. Matt says, well, they didn't get us. Do you want to stay another night? We hadn't talked about it yet. I didn't know how to bring it up, you know what I mean. It was like, did it happen, and Matt had had, you know, stuff to drink at that point when when it did happen, because he drank, you know, and so he had been drinking solf. I didn't even know if it was gonna you know, like and how it was going to come out. But I was like, well, you know, it didn't. I guess we could stay in another night, you know, but it did. It did mess the tent up, like that's something we really want to do again. And I remember the reason I said it was about an hour or so before daylight because Matt was like, I'm going to sleep in the truck and I'm locking the doors, come on, let's go. And I was like, no, I didn't want to wake up and that thing be looking at me through the window. Yeah, I don't think in that moment I could have stood to see it again. So we don't tell the owner. We don't even hardly speak to her through that day. We spend the whole day walking the property, and so she had I think thirty acres but it was backed up to like fifty five hundred acres that we had access to of just hunting lease, you know, So there were roads and trails and stuff. We could walk, but nothing happened. During the day, we found some cool things. We did find some areas where it looked like, you know, something huge had run through, but nothing happened. We didn't hear nothing weird and feel like was watching us. Nothing. As soon as it got dark, it all started up again and that went on. Didn't see nothing. But that went on for a few hours, and somewhere around midnight, it screamed. Okay, so it was about honestly don't know, but it was probably about fifty yards away, right, That's what it sounded like. This damn screamed. He was down into the ravine, down by where the creek was. I assume he was standing either in the creek or right next to it, and he screamed, and I mean, you felt it. But that wasn't the thing that bothered us so much. It was like thirty seconds after he screamed something about what could have been half a mile, could have been a mile, I don't know, in the distance. It made the same call back. And at that point I remember looking at Matt and I'm like, bro, you know he just called Larry and the boys, cause you know what I mean, Like this ain't good. But then it all stopped. So I'm assuming he went to the call or she, whatever it was, went to whatever else was out there calling back. But it was at that moment that we realized, you know, it dawned on me that we're in the damn aphin closure. We've came to the zoo and got down in there with the gorillas and popped ten up, you know. So I was sold on it. I made a YouTube video talking about the encounter and it had six plays, and a producer from Howard Stern was one of them, and he called me. I thought it was a joke, hung up on him a couple of times. Time. He screamed at me, you know, and he's like, if you you want to be on this TV show because like, okay, I knew enough about Bigfoot that I knew who doctor Meldrim was, right, and I also knew who Howard Stern was. And he's like, I'm gonna put you on this show. You're gonna be doctor Meldrim's field his field expert. You're gonna go follow up on all his encounters. I was like, whoa, I mean, I'm from Stop Choppy, you know, I mean from the swamp dude. So it's it's like, you don't, uh, what is what is this guy doing calling me telling me all this stuff? But uh so anyways, he I got the email, he put me on a plane. I went and spend a week with Meldrim uh and I was sold at that point, like Bigfoot was was. I was gonna find this thing I had gotten on back then it was called Bigfoot forums, and I had gotten on there and from coming from the coming from the side where you've hunted other animals, you know what I mean, and you know how to hunt and stuff. You could tell by reading this message board that none of these people could go and hunt a real animal, let alone a bigfoot, right like bro y'all couldn't go out and kill a turkey right now if you needed to, you know. So I was like, all these guys are idiots, dude, I'm gonna have this wrapped up in no time. And I mean I went hard at it was. I quit my band, switched my job to twelve hour shifts, sold my good truck, and kept my Beaeder truck, which didn't set too well. But I needed to have all this equipment and all this gear, you know, and this money to keep going and going, and I was going all the time. And my dad had seen that, and he sold his boat and did some stuff around the house, but he ended up buying a thermal camera with it. So because he's seen I was serious about bigfooting and that he believed. When I quit my music, he realized, all right, Junior ain't messing around, you know, he's he believes what he's saying. So that following May, my dad had just gotten over the cancer surgery and stuff, and he was doing better. He was cancer free, and he had hit me up. I was at work and he was like, Yo, do you want to go squatching the night? It was a Tuesday, So I was like, sure, man, grab my backpack, swing out here to pick me up from work. Man, We're just right out, and so he did. It. Had aimed a little bit that day to rain, about inch and a half I think, but it was like rain for like five hours, but just a little bit of rain, you know, it's like a you know, just a drizzle for a while, made everything wet, you know, cooled the forest down temperature wise. But we're out there camping, you know. Went to Terrea State Park and We're about a mile down in the woods, this Rock Creek Primitive campground. And. My dad I was like, Yo, they're here, they're coming through. You know, this is what we hear. And he's like, oh, whatever, you know, you don't believe it. And we hear some more and I'm like, dude, we need to get ready. We need to get out there and see if we can capture one of on this camera. And he's like, he's like nah, putting it off, and he ended up saying, all right, if it happens again, we'll go out there. As soon as that comes out of his mouth, you hear like a you know, it was like a grunt and like a knock, you know, like it really put all its force into it. And I was like, I looked at him. His eyes got big, you know, and so we turned the radio up. Uh we've been listening, like I've been listening like White Zombie and stuff. So we had cranked that up. We snuck down a trail. We really kind of had the perfect storm, you know, so to speak, because the palmettos at this time were about head high, so you could leave out of this campground and not be seen. So Daddy had a. We had a headlamp, but it had a setting where it would go red. So he put that in his hand and he just like put his fingers, you know, put it in his fists, close his fist so he could like move his fingers in a little bit of light would shine out if he needed. But we walked down that trail. He's down that trail and I might holding on to his back. He's walking forward with the thermal, and I got a little handicam because back then I told you I was I was all about it. I was like notebooking stuff down, you know, looking for patterns. I was audio always rolling, video was always rolling, you know. And we're going down the trail and the cicadas were super loud, but you could still hear. Once we got down the trail, you started hearing something running, but it was like you hear it on the left side and it's like heavy footfalls, and then you'd hear it on the right side, you know, and it's thinking back on it, I think they were playing, you know, I think it's about four of them and they were playing. But Daddy had a thermal set to black hot. Because when he looked at the ground, the trail appeared white, almost like there was snow right there, so he could see the trail. And we're really worried about snakes, you know, moccasins and copper heads. We didn't want to have to you know, nobody wants to get bit. So we're walking and we hear it coming down the from the Blue trail. We think we're on the Blue trail, but we hear it down here, and so we make the left, which I said, we thought we was on the blue trail. It was just on a game trail. I'm guessing maybe the deer or maybe they were using it at times, you know, because it was well beat down and it comes down this ridge and you're here like boom boom boom boom boom boom boom, and like it stopped. It saw us, right, and so Dad's like, oh, I see it. I see it. And he's looking at it with a thermal and he thought at first it was a coon because it's just sticking out of one side of the tree. And now you're hearing like a scratching sound on like on the tree, like maybe it was a raccoon like scurrying up and down the bark. Well then it's sticking out of the other side too. It starts sticking out of both sides, and he's like, yo h, this is two coons, you know. And then I don't know what happened. I think he stepped forward on and like kicked a palmettow or something, and this thing shoots off in between this gap, right, And that's the footage that my dad got. But he turned and I didn't see it. I just heard it, right, and he turned. He's like, get your gun and get you going. We gotta go, and he's freaking out. And so you gotta figure my dad was an army ranger. I had never seen him really shook like that. And I know, if you know in the past when he had told me, you get your gun, there's somebody in the yard, you know, or something like that, somebody was on the property. Yeah, it wasn't something. It was just ever came out of his mouth, you know, So I knew it was serious. And the camera goes dead, which was odd at the time. I didn't think nothing of it, but they were brand new batteries who literally put him in when we got to the campsite. But we get back of campsite, camera won't turn on the lights. You know. We have a little bit of headlamp or our our headlamps, and you can't see ten feet into the woods. And my Dad just kept saying, it was looking at us in the dark. You couldn't see your hand in front of your face. Brother, but this scene was looking at us and didn't need no light, right, And so Dad so freaked out. We tear everything down. He's like, I'm leaving. We'll get the f out of here. And we walked back up this hill. It's a long ass trail and it's, like I said, it's about a mile and a half downhill. So going back to the truck was all uphill, and these things followed us out. They followed us all way, Like once you got to the top of the hill, there was a boy scout camp and then the parking lot on the other side. Right when we about got to the boy scout camp, they stopped. So I still hadn't seen what we were running from all I just heard it. It was big, man, it was big. It's looking right at us, you know. And we get in the truck and I watched the footage for the first time, and I'm like, bro, I'm I hold on, big dog. Remember what you told me. You're gonna punch me in the face, you know, because I left us like we finally found bigfoot. Now we're gonna leave it. He's like, hey, smart ass, here's the camera. The best of luck to you. I'll be right here in the truck. And at that time, at that time, I was still terrified of these creatures. So I left or I didn't. I didn't go back out there. I was like, we left, We went to the house. I was like, now we're good. And then so now we have this footage, right and Dad didn't want to do nothing with it. He didn't want to put it out. He's like, nobody's gonna believe it. It's us, you know. He's like, we're from you know, we're redneck. As it gets dude, nobody's gonna who are we? You know, how do we even show it to anybody? And I was like, oh, let me get some people to at least look at it, you know, cause like at first my dad was all in, this was a bigfoot. But then you have and skeptics do this when they're I guess paradigm gets shifted, you know, in their brain they they start denying it, you know what I mean. Like he's like, yo, trying to justify it in some rational sense. Right, And he's like, who did you have out there? You know which one of you buddies was out there? I'm like, Dad, I ain't got friends good enough that have followed me into the woods on a Tuesday night at midnight and run butt naked in front of us with no light on. Now, you can't run through these through this forest in the dark. You really can't. I mean, you can only go so far. You're gonna eventually hit something or some vines or something fall in a damn hole or something. You just can't do it. And this thing did. And I was like, think about what you're saying, you know what I mean. So I sent it to five people. Derek Randalls was one. Daddy respected him, so he wanted to send it to Derek. See what Derek thought. Send it to Meldrum Facebook find Bigfoot was the thing back then we sent it to them, and then we sent it to Cliff Brackman, and then I can't remember who the other person was. But anyways, I my dad said we need to have an investigation done on this. But we cannot do it right. He's like, if we do it, damn sure, nobody's gonna believe it. Like we got skin in the game. So Cliff offered to do an investigation on it, which worked out for us. That's what we were looking for anyways. But so he did an investigation. We went back out to the site getting numbers for him, film, film, video, take pictures of stuff. And we did that from probably the end of May through November. And now this wasn't a close place to our house. It's about hour and thirty minutes away or so, you know. And we went out there several times, several times for Cliff to get his to get everything he wanted, and then he ended up coming out and doing the numbers himself, just a double check. He called us one day he got his report done. He gave it to us and what his findings were. He thought the creature was about eight foot four inches. He had flear the thermographers there that he knew from the show. He had them look at it and to make sure it was a real animal. I guess he had somebody made sure it was in CG or anything like that. And the film actually premiered at the Fleer International Conference, but we ended up releasing it man and we waited till his report was done, so it could be kind of a because the footage is the footage, right, but like you don't get an appreciation for it if you don't read the numbers to everything, you know. And so that turned out really well. We ended up doing Finding big Foot. My dad did not want to do Find a big Foot. Cliff gave him his word because my dad was worried that they were gonna get on there and like moneymaker or somebody was just gonna, oh, they're hoaxing, YadA, YadA, YadA, And my dad didn't want to be made fun of or nothing. And Cliff was at of me and he's like, no, listen. He's like, we actually think this is a real bigfoot and that this is possibly the best thermal footage ever taken. Right, Like my dad didn't understand really kind of how good it was, and you know, so we did that show. It was fun. After that came out, I got hit up by a Spike TV to do their Bigfoot Bounty show. They wanted me and Dad on that. Dad wasn't gonna do no game show. Once hereed it was a game show. He's like, no, I'm out, And you know, that show was fun. It was a reality show. But they took us all around the country tested our DNA samples. We had to go through that whole grind of like a survivor type show. But we won one hundred thousand dollars research grant, So it worked out for us, you know, as shit is the show was. You know, it was good for that because over the next couple of years, that's what I did with the money. I just paid my bills so that my nine to five was in the woods and it wasn't really my nine to five. I would go for like a week and then have a week off because I still had kids. You know, I still had a life. You just couldn't be jumping out in there in the woods full time. But I go as often as I could. You know, I actually spent the money on that what it was intended for. And during that time, we started seeing lights right well, I guess we had started seeing the lights a little bit before, but we didn't pay it no mind because at first I remember the first time we saw the lights. Now, you got to figure the whole time, I'm thinking bigfoot is just a gorilla or something, you know, a primate. But I remember the first time we seen the lights, we heard knocks on the other side of this ravine, and we knocked, and then it knocked back, and it was closer, and each time it knocked it got closer. But once it got down to the bottom of the ravine kind of sitting right across from where we were, it stopped and we had done kind of gotten wise to the we have more activity if we don't have guns on us. We have more activity if we don't have any electronics on us, Like if we're filming, it's hard pressed or the cameras go dead, and there's just something about it. It's like, man, honestly, I thought it was just me being an idiot. And you know, ah, those aren't the new batteries. That must be old batteries and you've got them mixed up. I'm making logical reasoning for why this is going doing that same thing we were talking about earlier, and we ended up that that thing stopped on the other side of that creek. Stop knocking, and me and David are probably setting yards apart, you know, or so, and he just says, do you see that light. And I was like the one in between us because this red light showed up and it was just sitting right about our chest level and we're sitting on our butt legs out in front of us. Now, the weird thing was if you look directly at it, you wouldn't see it, but if you look back forward, it was there. And so looking forward and we're talking about it and then it just goes up into the air. And so that was the first time. But we never really thought nothing about it. They just thought it was odd, you know, didn't put two and two together. But then it started happening more and David came up with the bright idea that he could call them in, and he's like, we could call these lights in. And we had done it successfully, probably a handful of times, right, just me and him. We at the time, I had a lot of eyes on me, right because like we got the footage, I won Bigfoot Bounty, I was voted Bigfooter of the Year by the so there was a lot of Like Internet, I had a great deal of people who hated me, So I knew that I had way more people that liked me, right, I mean, bro, there's just like pages dedicated to trashing me. That seems to be pretty common within these crypti communities. I've noticed these people are insane. Brother, Like, I'm gonna be honest with you, it's there. They're nuts, dog that there. A lot of them are very sad existences. You know, they live very very tired lives. I guess I don't know, but God bless them. But anyways, Uh, we had we been seeing these lights and we didn't want to say anything about it because of that. We didn't want to give no more ammunition to somebody thinking we was, you know, because we already looked like Stoner's you know everybody that was a joke. Oh they're just out there smoking dope. And we wor you know what I mean, but that marijuana don't make you see shit, you know what I'm saying. Uh, marijuana don't make you record cool shit. Uh. But we we didn't say nothing about it for a while, and then, uh, my girlfriend and we had we had a large group of people at the property and my girlfriend we had just started dating, you know, it is fairly new into our relationship, and her and my buddy's brother Monroe, we said, hey, come on, we'll let's walk you out here and show you these lights, right, And so we walk up there and we tell them we're like, listen, this is gonna sound crazy. We're gonna talk to the woods and ask for lights to appear. Y'all, don't laugh, don't make joke about it. I promise you. It's happened before. Y'all. Just bear with us, Okay, we might get to experience something really cool. And so. At this point we sit down. We're under these arches. It was arches in the woods. It's usually the spots will try for like singing bowls and to talk to the woods. But we're under these arches, and we talked to the talk to the woods. And I'll never forget. It was like twenty six minutes went by. I was sitting there looking at my phone. When before when when David goes, what is that? Look down my phone? Twenty six minutes there's a orb off in the tree line. So it's a little ways away and it's coming towards us, and now David's coaxing it in and it's kind of just like the Forrest Gump feather, you know that feather and Forrest Gump. How it just kind of floats. Yeah, yeah, doing the same thing, right, And David's like, come up in here with us, Come to us, come to us. And so it comes up into the area we were sitting in and so now we're all kind of circled around it, and it goes to go away and Jessica sticks her hand out and it goes to fly into her hand and she gets scared and screams and jumps back. It turns around and David goes, you can land in my hand, buddy, and it lands in his hand and goes out. We immediately turn our lights on. There is nothing in his hand. Brother, It's what, no bug, nothing like that. Everybody's like geeked out about it right now. They're like, wow, I can't believe that just happened, because this took This was a couple minute experience, right, It just wasn't five to ten seconds. This was lasted for a little bit. So we sit back down and we're like, hey, can you bring the bigfoots? And I don't see no more lights, but we hear this growl just on the other side of us, like just right where it starts going downhill, so maybe twenty yards away. We hear this low, low growl, and we're like thank you know, very appreciative everything. We hang out probably another hour, right, and we go to leave and Monroe says, hey, Dave, you're gonna let that or about your backpack? Are you gonna take it home with you? As soon as he said, the thing flies up off the top of David circles us like four times, goes back over to where we were sitting, and goes into the ground and goes out. Everybody is floored at this moment. All right, we're talking about it, right, we're talking to the owner about it, and it ends up becoming a thing right, Like we're there to what we were there to do originally, hunt Bigfoot has now turned into these interactions with these lights. It got to the point to where their trail or a trail through their property. We had lined up with camping chairs and we've got neighbors and the landowner's friends and shit. They're bringing like drink, alcoholic drinks and stuff, and we're all setting in camping chairs and we're calling the damn lights up to them like it was it was a thing, right, and it was it was basically every time we went we may not have no Bigfoot activity. But we can call these damn lights up almost, you know, on command every time. And that kind of started changing my outlook on what these creatures may be, what people are experiencing. You know, when I was on Bigfoot Bounty, there was a pair a team of Native Americans on there, Dan and David, and they talked about their tribe. They believe when Bigfoot traveled, he traveled as ball of light, right, but could take physical form. And I've been out on the Sahalis Reservation with some of my money. I went and you know, got invited to this Indian reservation to do research, so out in Washington State, and they had the same thing, you know, and there was another one another reservation, and they said the same thing. So we started thinking, hey, maybe we're overlooking it, you know, maybe it's not. Maybe this explains the camera's going dead. And then it kind of dawned on me that first encounter I had, there ain't no way in hell that thing walked up that hill without me hearing it. There ain't no conversation we would have had. I was already on alert. There was no way that that thing got to where it was standing, and it wasn't standing there the whole time, because I had done walked right through there, right, and I walked down there and shine in the light and stuff. And maybe that's not how it got there, you know, but it's the only explanation I have right now in my mind, you know, is that somehow this thing got up that hill, through all that leaf litter and did not make enough noise to alert me and Matt. This damn thing was huge when it ran off from pushing our tent down, it run off and made all kinds of racket. So I think it was kind of around that time where I just stepped back, where I was like, I don't know what these things are. I know enough that I can't tell you that Bigfoot is primate, you know, Neanderthal, or that it's some hell. It may be an alien, you know, it may have some connection with the UFOs. I know enough to know that I don't know, right, And you gotta figure. When I started out, bro I knew it all. I'd be the first one to tell you. I told everybody. I was like, ya, I'll quit going and wasting your money, Bigfoot and just sit back and enjoy it. I'm gonna do it for you. Actually said that shit, you know what I mean, Like I was bragging, nocious bro, because I was like, you know, what are you talking about? Y'all ain't seen a big pot. I was ten foot away from it. Didn't he know what I was doing, you know. And it's it's weird, you know, because I went through this whole time there or I wasn't afraid of these things. Now I'm kind of a little more cautious than I was. But I would go out there and just camp on the ground, and we're like hoping I would wake up with one standing over me, you know, like, Ah, they're not gonna hurt me. They're not gonna hurt me, you know, and then go to a new spot and have a kind of a few different encounters and then now you're like, yo, I gotta protect myself. But my whole outlooks changed on it. And that that's where where I'm at, after all my years of research, I'm to the point where I don't know these things are anymore. When you mentioned the lights, and you mentioned like batteries and everything else, there's a lot of similarities between that and what people experience when they go into these haunted locations. Supposedly their batteries drain on concent and they see these weird orbs. Sometimes they get picked up on cameras or whatever. I'm not saying bigfoots of ghosts, but there seems to be some sort of a connection between that and then what people experience when they see the same things with Bigfoot, like what you've seen, what the orbs and the batteries. There's some sort of a connection. I don't know how to describe it other than is it a certain type of energy they're feeding on? The energy do they manifest through these lights? Like? Right, I know that's the wu side that people don't want to talk about, but there's a lot that goes on with that. See, people need to pull their head out of the sand. Okay, there's not a side. There's the truth, right, and you don't need to be vested in one side. It doesn't have to be black and white every single time, you know what I mean. It just has to be the truth, the absolute truth, whatever it is. Like Cliff Barrackman, my good buddy, he won't even think about this stuff. You start talking about the other parts of it. But when you like my dad passed away in twenty eighteen and I got into the paranormal. A's that right. I was looking for assurance that my father was okay. Brother. There's so many similarities. Like when you're in a house, what happens You knock on a desk and it knocks back. Where's the term knock on wood come from? Y'all should look that up. Go dive down that rabbit hole. People used to go out to the woods. They would knock on trees, hoping that the spirits of the forest would knock back and grant them whatever they needed. Like, Bro, the smells people talk about the sulfuric odor. It smells like death. That's when a demon is around. That's also when a bigfoot is around. Yeah, the batteries going dead, like you said, the orbs. The shadows, that's another thing. I've heard people talk about the lights in the woods. I haven't heard people talk about the shadows. Shadows are and the ones I have heard talk about it, I don't think they realize what they're looking at. They'd be like, oh, it was just darker than dark. But it was this image, and like, yeah, bro, that's that shadow. You know what I'm saying. It's the same thing people are experiencing in the paranormal and there's it's just weird the similarities. I don't think Bigfoot is a ghost. I just don't think we understand our reality the way. It is right. I did an interview with A. W. T. Watson. He wrote a book recently called Force Poultergeist. We didn't really die too much about what he wrote about, but basically in the book he wrote up the similarities between bigfoot experiences in what people experiences, like the activity in their house. They say it's a poltergeist activity because you just in the wood knocking, the sound, the smells, all this other stuff that that all happened in someone's house. They would say the house is haunted by a poltergeist, but it happens out in the woods and they say it's bigfoot. So it is strange. Well, like, we've rented the Conjuring house for a week and went up there and made a documentary and we're having bigfoot activity on the property. One of the ghosts that was with us, this guy that worked on ghost Hunters or whatever, the Zach Bagging shows Ghost Adventures. Yeah, this guy's name. God, why is that? Why am I blanking no, uh, Justin Justin Uh. He was like the tech guy for years. Justin. Geez, why am I forgetting his last name? Anyways, great dude, but he's been with him for years, every location doing all things. He was usually there before they would get there, you know what I mean, take equipment down and stuff like that. A Spurrier, Justin Spurrier, that's his name. But anyhow, they're out there in the yard and they're hearing knocks and they're filming him and his son, and they're like, well, that's what they talk about when Bigfoot is around, you know that. And they're hearing this mumbling they think his voices right, And I'm like, dog, y'all had a damn legit sasquatch in the yard at the conjury house, and you got a house full of bigfooters and you didn't think to come and wake one of us up. Like this is the time we get up, you know what I'm saying, right? But yeah, I think there's I think in a hundred years, when we understand our existence a little bit better, this won't be paranormal. It'll just be normal. I feel like within the last twenty years, maybe a little bit longer, but I think people are more open to this type of stuff. I know there's like people the shows that I like what I do. There's obviously a dime a dozen. But why is that? Because there's a lot more people interested in this type of stuff. Twenty years ago, if you talked about stuff like this, you're still labeled as a freaking crazy person. Like if you said you went out and seen a bigfoot, you'd already mentioned it earlier. About smoke marijuana, that is what used to be the thing that people, Oh, you're on drugs. These people are on you're drunk, you're on drugs. Have you ever had someone get on drugs and they have mass hallucinations that are all the same as other people. To me, that's very strange. If you're with multiple people in your own witness, seems the same exact thing. That doesn't happen if you're high. No, no, I mean even if you're doing mushrooms, it's a it's a completely different experience for every single person that said the same thing, like the couch ain't gonna feel like that to everybody. The people that say that, like, I've never partaken in some of the more hardcore stuff, but anyone that's ever done something should understand like, that's not how that works. Nope. A lot of people lately have tried to convince me to try DMT, which I'm not going to, but they claim you have out of body experience you can communicate with some of these entities from the other side. Just so I was like, man, I don't want to, so like you should see every Hey, yeah you should. It won't last long, but it's you'll no physical effects like on your body or anything like that, but you should. You should do it just for you or if you could do like. Them. There's this thing the Monroe Institute Monroe Institute, however, people say that, uh, they have these tapes online you can listen to and it's like binural beats basically, but it will give you the same feeling m hm. And it what it's supposed to be doing is like HEMI sink in your mind, you know, because our brains are in two different hemispheres, and so the theory is that you can sink them to the same one, and if you're in between four and seven hurts, according to the CIA, you will then leave your body and you will go to a place called the absolute. This is where the past, the future, and the present are all one. Every single thing is all at once, And I really hope that's what it's like when I die. No, I don't know how we got off on this hand. Yet, when we went to the Conjuring House, we had this guy, Ja Prather. He runs IDC devices. He remade the Gateway project that the CIA had classified for years. Like I was just sitting there at my house one day and he calls me up. He's like, yo, I got page twenty five. It's out, and because they had this whole document talking about it, but there's one page missing for years. And then he's like, I got the page, I got the pay blah blah. Makeing an experiment. Let's do it. You want to do it? Like yeah, And then like right at the same time, my buddy owned the Conjuring House. He's like, Yo, I'm selling the Conjuring House. If you want to come up here make a documentary, now's the time. And so I was like, oh, all right, cool. So I got Jay Corey. We went and did this damn experiment. He calls it the worldgate And I'm gonna tell you. We stayed there a week brother. But after the second time we did that experiment, the house come alive, dude, Like I'm talking about like lights, a woman screaming. They were chasing the sound of her voice, and it was just always in the next room, always in the next room. And but it was crazy because he had this tape that he played and we were in a sepasseymbol throughout the house. We were in a you're like, you're position in the experiment depended on like the uh jumatria or jermatria or something like that, like universal math. I guess like your name means so much means you can set up this location or something like that, and it also could mean that you're not allowed to be in the experiment. But he had everything dialed in like based off of how I guess it's a rough way that the CIA was doing it. But the difference was is that we were doing ours in a haunted location. And I think that's where I think that was. I think that's the issue, right, I don't think you should do it in a haunted location because when we were doing it, we're laying on cots, right, and we got sleep masks on, and you it ends up like your eyes are open and you don't even have the mask on. Like I had to keep touching my face, or at least I thought I was touching my face to make sure that I was wearing a damn mask, you know. At one point I felt like I was being shaken, and we watched the footage. I don't do nothing. I must have been asleep or something. I don't even know. I just laid still the all time. But I ended up seeing all kinds of what I tell everybody is I went my past, my present, and my future in forty seven minutes and then made us stop by heaven and hell because there was one part where you just I felt all this love right, and then there was another part where it was just absolute hell, you know. But I was able to see my girlfriend in Florida, like what she was doing. I hit her up on camera as soon as we come out, What do you do? Are you sitting in my spot on the couch right now eating something out of a can? My kids like when I when I come out of it, my kids have been blowing my phone up because they had seen this mist go through the house. And I'm like, are y'all at uh man Man's house, which is their aunt. Yeah, we just wanted to stay over here tonight. I'm like, that's cool. I don't care. I just like I seen y'all there, you know, And it was having confirmation on these things, and then like three of us all seen the same shit. So it was it's different from like, you know what they say, ah DMT trip is like, but if everybody was to do it, it would absolutely change your life, like your mannerisms, the way you act, the way you view things. You almost like have that ego death because it shows you who you are, what you really are, what all this is. I think the negative part of it was because we were in a house and I made the mistake of not reading the report before I did the experiment. I was just like, cool, I had so much to do, trying to plan the movie and stuff in the experiments because we were running a series of experiments. But in the report it says you can become untethered from your body and not come back. You know. It was like and when I ended up reading it, I asked Jay, I'm like, where the hell was that information at. You know, He's like, oh, well, I thought I told you. I'm like, no, no, bro, that never that never come out at once, not that I wouldn't have done it, but I'm definitely a junkie for it. I would do it again, you know. I think with that experiment he's got there. I think there's something that can be learned about existence or like possible places if you could just I feel you had to do it multiple times so you can get your feet under you, you know where. It's just not all so much because it was so much like it took me hours to even remember some things, you know, was that similar? Do you think to what people say the astral project. Yes, okay, I would think. You hear some people and I don't like to I don't like to publicly say that people are full of crap, you know what I mean? You can always kind of tell and maybe because maybe it's not the same, but some people talk about astral projection and they don't talk about it that way, and so I wonder. If there's a little difference to it. To me, it's like if you're leaving your body, your consciousness or whatever is your mind is leaving your body, and you travel down through these planes and they meet these different entities, they see these different things, this and that I interviewed a few people that say they ask for project. Actually got a couple more scheduled later on down the line. But the same thing that people said, like when I mentioned the DMT that, oh, you leave your body? What is your consciousness? I know this is completely off topic of Bigfoot or anything, but like, what is your consciousness that you're able to leave your body? Like everyone says that your consciousness would basically be like but your soul would be your energy whatever you want to call it. That's what's actually leaving. But where does it go? Like where do these planes go? Like the things that you're seeing, Like what part of reality existence is that? I know it's more not an answer for you. I'm just say like what I think about, like as a rhetorical question, like where the hell does it go? Like you said you might you might lose the tell you might never come back. Well, where the hell are you going to be floating around that for the rest to exist stance or whatever it would be? To me, it's just that's that's just the things I think about. Yeah, I guess if I had to explain it, it would it would almost be kind of like the upside down or you know, maybe that place where Eleven went and stranger things, you know, where it's like she's walking around in water apparently, but then there's somebody there, you know, and this is abyss. It's kind of like that. You know, I wouldn't have come back from it had I have been asked. I know that now. It's I've heard people talk about something similar to that too, But to me, it's like, if that's actually a real possibility, then maybe some of the things that we do experience, like paranormal bigfoot or whatever, maybe they're actually from that side that somehow bleed over into ours. Yeah, maybe that's the veil you know people talk about. But I have no idea. I just know it was one of the coolest things. And if you ever get where you got time and you can lay down in your bed uninterrupted for an hour listening to them Monroe tapes on YouTube, you know they're well worth it. I'm going to be in a motel here next weekend because I'm going to be at the first annual Bigfoot conference they have here in Indiana. Okay, by the time this airs, that'll are to be over, but I'll be in the motel room that night so maybe I'll give it a listen and see what happens. I don't Yeah, if I don't show up to the convention tomorrow, I'm still tripping out somewhere. Right the vegetables somewhere. Yeah, you gotta have some noise canceling headphones because it's like one ear is playing one frequency and one ear is playing the other, and it's to sink your mind. Right. Uh, it's an amazing experience. I may look into these headphones I have now are noise canceling, so be interesting. I guess if anyone comes to they never see me again, and there's never any more new episodes. I'm still lost. Someone out there, just turn your ads off because, uh, you know, say fight repair, say fight replaced. Isn't a good thing to hear when you're in the zone, right. Well, do you want to talk a little bit about your latest documentary you've done. Yeah? Yeah, So it's called Bigfoot the Journey to Belief. And I've been doing this outcast paranormal thing for a few years. And the cameraman was a skeptical guy of everything, you know, and he wanted He asked me one day, he goes, hey, dude, when you going to prove to me that Bigfoot exists. And that kind of just like kicked the light bulb on for me, you know, And so I set out to prove to him that Bigfoot is real, but under the under the agreement that, hey, I cannot provide you a body. You have to be able to look at all the evidence and you tell me what you actually think. And the thought process was that because Joey is a Reddit troll, like legit reddit control, and if I can prove if I can make this guy a believer, because he's gonna shoot me straight on every single piece of evidence I put in front of him, if I can make this guy a believer, you know, I'll be able to make everyone a believer. So I lined him up fifteen interviews, and I asked him, I said, what's what you need to see? And he's like, you know, some type of documentation may help you know, that may help me out. And so during these interviews we're doing, there's a common theme, and the common theme is we've we've reported it to the FWC, which is fishing Wildlife in Florida, or we told the Sheriff's department, or YadA YadA. But they made some report of these encounters. And so we get about halfway through our interviews and Joey sends a public records request to this Florida Fish and Wildlife and he asked them if they have any emails or any reports pertaining to the keywords sasquatch, bigfoot, skunkcape or swamp ape. And so. They tell him we have zero reports. So when he tells me this, I've already spoken to him about three reports that I'd known of where I two of them had been there when the FWC officer showed up. Another one was one that they had posted. I had officers, names, counties, dates, all that jazz, and so we knew there were three. But they said they had zero. Okay, and they said they had seventy three thousand, three hundred and eighteen emails pertaining to those four keywords. Well, they wanted twelve thousand bucks for those. Well, So Joey, when he ended up telling me about this, I was like, well, okay, hey send him this report and ask him to see the file, you know, ask him for more info on this one about in White happened in Walton County. Lady saw a bigfoot, they took a picture of a guy in a gorilla suit and the officer's got his net over the top of him, like making a joke out of it. And as soon as we asked about that report, they cut off all information or like cut off all communication with us and closed our file. Right And now through this whole time, every piece of evidence I was showing Joey was Oh, that's just blurry footage, could be anything. That audio, We don't know what that is. You know, he's given the logical explanation for the the same explanation that your uncle tells you on Thanksgiving, you know what I mean, Like, Oh, it's crap. But then he gets this, you know, little nugget of truth here, and he says to me, he goes, you know, if you want it to look like a cover up, this is how you act. And so now the gears are turning in his mind. And so we ended up doing like a boots on the ground. We went to a place and did a uh you know, to get him out in the woods. That was the last segment of it. And we had some weird stuff happen. Found some tracks. There was a handprint on the house or like on the railing, when we got there. Pretty crazy stuff, but none of that really did it for him. I mean it was a little bit, you know, in changing his mind, but the but the the emails and the the hiding of the reports was one thing. So we contacted a lawyer. The lawyer told us that we have a case because in Florida, the public records, like the state here prides themselves on transparency, you know, so it's a pretty big deal when they do something like this. And right before we go see the lawyer, the Orlando Sentinel has a article that comes out. There's an FWC officer in it and he's talking about, yeah, we get reports all the time, and he talks about like I think six reports and call your county, you know what I mean. So it's like a complete contradiction from what they told us. And so with all that information we went to the lawyer. Lawyers like, yo, we'll take them to court. So we're raising the money right now with the with the sale of the DVD rentals, and we have a GoFundMe to try to raise the money for the emails because maybe there's something in there. Maybe that's the route we have to go. At the end of the day. I know Bigfoot's reel. I saw one, But no, that's not going to change your mind. But however, when I go to bed at night, I know they're real, and so you have to think about it. If I know they're real and thousands of other people in this country know they're real, are we foolish enough to say that the federal government doesn't know about these things? You know what I mean? Because I'm not special. I'd heard something the other day and I forget where I heard it from or who said it, or what it was I was watching or listening to. But it was mentioned that the government knows about certain things like UFOs, cryptids, paranormal stuff. They don't acknowledge it or they don't talk about it because they don't have any means to control it. So because they can't control and have power over things like that, they just kind of bury it. To me, that kind of sounds plausible, like. That makes more I see. That's the thing. I can't understand why they would cover it up, you know what I mean. But in the age we're living in now, like you said, it's not the same as it was twenty years ago, where the disclosure stuff happening with the UFO thinging right now, this is the time to strike, right, you know what I mean, on some type of documentation, Because in the documentary you'll see we interview a guy named Joey Bruce, and he lives across the street or his his area where he's had sidings is across the street from the Lower Swanee River Management Area. And now in their hunting brochure for that area, it says, under the hog hunting regulations, no harvesting of skunk apes or swamp apes. Now this is an official document. If they're not real, why would they put that in there? Why are you putting it in there? Like you don't just throw around jokes in this because like the things you're listing, if people break these laws, they go to jail, they lose their guns, you know what I mean. So, like it's not the place to insert a little funny one liner. Right. I saw something the other day. It was actually given out to local police agencies for UFO slash UAP stuff. It's like eleven It's like an eleven page handling of situation document that local law enforcement has been given out this year. If those things aren't real, why are they giving those the law enforcement exactly? You know. And like I said before, I jumped into this thinking that I could trap one of these or kill one of these things. But there's there's people who are really good at hunting. They do it for the job and they do it all the time. If they tell you they're gonna go out and kill a deer today, they're gonna go out and kill a deer today. But they ain't killed one of these things, you know. And I think I think the bigfoot community, all these people that go bigfooting, I think you're just spinning your wheels, you know. I mean it's enjoyable, you know, you get to hang out with the boys or whatever, you know, your crew, but at the end of the day, you're not getting anything. You're not getting no. Further, every time we get hair, it comes back unknown, or it's contaminated, or it was human, you know, something like that. Why not put your efforts into pressing the people who already know about this, because I promise you, if I know they're real, they know they're real. Right, Like I said, I'm not special. So that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to raise the money on our GoFundMe to get the emails so we can publish them on our website, put them out there and let people go through them, because that's another thing. I don't have time to go through twelve thousand emails, but the public can, you know what I mean, people that are interested in it. Maybe there's something that they didn't expect us to latch on to, you know, they didn't expect somebody to ask, because them lying to us about it is is a pretty big deal. I'm kind of a conspiracy person in general. Obviously, the name of my show's tenfoil tels, right, Right, there's a conspiracy element to it. But if they were hiding something in emails, wouldn't you think that eventually they would just erase any sort of email trail, any thing they could if they wanted to. Yeah, I mean you would think so. But at the same time, this is the federal government. They dumb shit all the time. Yeah, sometimes I wonder if they don't do things like that to really just throw off, like they leave breadcrumbs here to throw off the trail of something else. Right, So that's I just don't trust the government one way or the other. Oh yeah, I'm in the same boat with you, you know. But I think if pressure is applied, you know what I mean, at the end of the day, only thing I want out of all this is there to be a damn sign or or something that says, hey, you may encounter a sasquatch here, and just let people know that you could run into one of these things. We don't have to have a body for that. If you've got seventy three thousand emails, and you got to figure that's that's obviously from some time in the nineties on, because they didn't really have email back in the seventies or nothing, so and you're hiding the reports. But if you've got if there's something in them emails, where these are people you know, telling you they've seen these things over and over again, don't you think it's worth looking into. Don't you think it's worth like putting the law in the hunting regulations, Hey, don't harvest one of these things? Like how hard is it to put up a sign, you know, I mean, we got them for bears and stuff. How hard is it just to acknowledge it that it may be out there? Right? Do you think they would have anything to do with like uprooting the national parks and like some of the hunting and preservations and everything that they have. If they were to admit that these things exist, people would stop going. But at the same time, you also have to look at if they're considered maybe like an endangered species, they'd be labeled as so it screws up the foresting far as like the lumber mill, little log you know, maybe there's maybe there's a money scheme as to why they're not mentioning it because they don't want to ruin the market of making money. Well, ultimately, the US government they don't do shit if they ain't making money, right, It's all about money with these people. So my mind wants to go to that logging industry thing, especially when you know that I think it's ninety two of the logging you know, land in this country is owned by the US government. They just lease it out, you know, So yeah, it would, it would. It could possibly destroy their their cash cow. You could also be looking at that it's another human species. Maybe it's maybe it's Neanderthals, like I honestly believe if it has to be something biological like a relic commony, I believe that's what it is. But you if you've got to know the human species out there, now, they're afforded human rights, and so that's a big uproar, right, it's probably, you know, a dead dog up under the house that nobody wants to get up in there and drag out. Yeah, that's kind of where I went with it for a while too. I always just thought they were a flesh and blood thing, But over the last few years, I'm kind of leaning more that they're not. But you take to get out there and experience it. Like, if people just go out there and just go to the woods, they're gonna have these encounters. It's too easy to have these encounters for yourself, you know, because we're able to have them all over the country, and it's not every time we go. That's the one thing that the skeptics like. I'm a skeptical person too, so I don't necessarily believe every single thing. I think a lot of things could be explained, But when it comes to all these people that are having these experiences and sightings all time, I see photos in these groups and everything, and they're always blurry. I see like a little red circle. I was like, that doesn't help anybody that doesn't necessarily believe this. You're not going to convert anyone. They're just gonna say you're fucking crazy because literally all your you're circling bushes that are blurry and I don't know how. At the end of the day, the Bigfoot community is not trying to prove it. They're just looking for like confirmation bias. They just want other bigfooters to come and fluff their nuts, that's all they Yeah, they don't care about actually proving it to the Reddit trolls or to the world because when you step out there onto that plate, you're gonna get tore down quick when you come with those circled bushes, you know. Or even the Patterson Genlin film. Nothing My Station was something, they were still ripping that thing out, like it's been watched sixty years now and they're still tearing it apart. Oh yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a real Bigfoot, but the skeptics, I'm sure don't. And and that's all I wish the Bigfoot community would step back and be like, Okay, first of all, a we need all work together. We need to form some kind of national group to where we can all put our encounters and the things that are going on into some database. With AI the way it is now, I'm sure there could be some type of migration pattern or at least uh, you know, best times of day in a certain area to go look for these things, because the the AI the way it is to pick out patterns in the in the midst that we're that we're going to overlook. And then you know, they they so they need to work together, but they they also need to except what it is they're trying to tell the world, and then they need to figure out how to cross that bridge, how to get more people over here to come to this side of it and be more open minded, because the time to do it is now. The reason it's not the same as it was twenty years ago is because some of them older guys, older people are dying off. It's just like how they used to say they were going to bring communism into America. They're gonna do it through the youth because the older people that you know, lived in the fifties and stuff. Communism would have never floated here if they would have lived forever, but they passed away, and all you had to do was chip away at the youth. If we can get Bigfoot and it's setting in a pretty good light right now, will finding Bigfoot in other shows like that being big and it being such a pop culture thing that the politicians who are ten right now, those kids you know who are gonna end up being politicians, they're not gonna think Bigfoot such a silly thing, right they get up there in office, going to be more open to it. And so if there is any files that are in the government these ten year olds right now, once they're forty fifty, however, they may, they may open the books to everybody. If we can't get it done by then, I hope I live long enough. To That's what I was getting ready to say. I was like, I hope in my lifetime that I'm able to actually get some sort of disclosures on Bigfoot, on extraterrestrials, on anything that they could possibly talk about. I would like force some sort of confirmation that I'm the things that a lot of people experience, and some of the things that I've experienced myself are we're not just freaking crazy people, right. I highly doubt that I'll get to, you know, see that, But I'm hoping, you know, because I think it's I think at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, we're going to kind of figure out there's like these maybe these things that are crossing over to interdimensional beings. You know, they may not be the UAPs and the UFOs, but they may be from the same place. I did notice, and I've mentioned it before, but back in I think January, one of the senators that was helping push the UAP disclosure stuff, she straight up mentioned interdimensional which is a very strange thing for her to bring up. So I was like, that's already them planting seeds. So yeah, you know, with the honestly, with the whole UFO disclosure thing, I can't get with it. Like I don't believe the main whistle blower. Which one Rush Rush Alissando, you know what I mean. Here's the deal. If if the government is, if the Pentagon is allowing you to say certain things, you're not a whistleblower. You're a spokesperson's. Puppet that they allowed and gave you this information to leak. If they wanted to keep something secret, you would have already been never made public like they would have already gotten rid of you. Yeah, you know. They And then you have Steven Greer, who he's like, oh, I'm one that knows the way. I've got seven hundred and fifty whistleblowers and all this, that and the other. They paid ten thousand dollars to sit down and have a dinner with him, cause that's what he charges people. Yep, you know. And how many of these rick doties are out there? Yeah, right, And there's I believe that's also in the Bigfoot community. I believe the government has has people talking about it, like there's one researcher, Robert Krider, who believes that, uh, doctor Meltrim is a government planned and is to throw everybody off of the whole inter dimensional thing like that and keep pushing this biological creature his his argument for him. I seen him speaking a conference on it. It's pretty compelling. I know, Meltrum. I don't think it's true, but it was. It was an interesting, you know, point of view. I'll say that, you know, because it made sense, you know, because why are some of these experts in this field so against it being something else? And and I love how they say, well, we do it, we do it. The scientific way, buddy, Science changes every every day. I feel like with any more, science stop being discovering and trying new things to be and it's the old way and this is the only way because we know science science. You you don't know everything. Right, and that we're always and it's that we know right now with sorcery one hundred years ago. Right, it's to me. And don't want to say something here and get my video banned again because I always bring up something that pisses off YouTube. But they always say trust the science. Well, anymore, you can't trust the science because a lot of the science people out there are not really doing the science. They're only doing what is the old way. They're not advancing, they're not trying to learn new things. They're not trying to do new that. They're not accepting of the possibilities of stuff. It's it's annoying. It's also who's paying for it, right, you know what I mean? Like all them all them studies that showed that vape was safer than cigarettes. Who paid for those studies? The company selling the vape, that's who pay for them studies? You know, So of course it said it was. It's like that you know any now they're saying they're worse. Right, so you you you have to look into it, like who's paying for the research, because they're going to find what they're looking for. No matter what it is, they're always going to find something that basically covers them for more money. That's the that's the benefit of It's making them money. That's all they care about. That's it. That's the end of the day. That's all they want to do, in which I don't understand. I really kind of wish money didn't exist, you know, because it turns people ugly, and it turns us into what we shouldn't be right, you know what I mean. They say it's the root of all evil, and sometimes I think maybe they're correct. Yeah, well, we can probably wrap this one up. So I want to say, they're going on for almost two hours, but I definitely appreciate talking with you. Yeah, but hey, I appreciate you having me on and anybody that's interested. Y'all can rent the film at the Journey to Belief dot com. We got our GoFundMe on there. You know, if you if you can afford to kick in some money so we can get these emails, we'll be posting them as soon as we get them, you know, and we're probably gonna get them in bashes. So when we get enough money up to get you know, one thousand of them or so, we'll throw that out there and then you know, keep going. I know it'll be brought up er question whatever. Why you're basically paying for the lawyer to go after them, right. The lawyer's fee is thirty two hundred bucks. The other twelve thousand is for the emails. We're going to pay the lawyer first because he's going to try to get that price. He thinks it's successive on the emails because we're not asking for actual physical copies. We're just asking for a pdah. But they're like, we got to go through and redact stuff you have it. At the same time, we're already paying you to do your job. Why do we have to pay you again? Yeah, I don't, So what are they going to redact? That's the thing. They're going to redact thing that they did hot released. Yep, exactly, And I mean that's I mean, it would be great if they would just give us to information, but if they got a punch of stuff hidden, that just allows us to put more pressure on it because it makes them look worse. So they're kind of in a situation. Do they let the cat out in the bag or do they look worse? And then they just have all this noise created about it, you know. So at the end of the day, I hated that they told us there were zero reports, even though we knew of some. But it's the best thing that could have happened, because now it's like, oh, wow, y'all, Hey, y'all actually are hiding something, you know, because I never gave that much that conspiracy of old the government's covering up Bigfoot, I never really gave that much attention. But after getting this, you know, I think that's actually it's changed my whole way of attack on this thing. Well, make sure to send me links and I'll put everything in the show notes for anyone listening so they can come check it out and maybe help donate see what we can't get done. Sure, Bud, I'll get right on that, man. But hey, like I said, I appreciate everybody checking it out, you know, and all that jazz. Yep. I'm definitely have you on here tonight too, So for have anyone out there listening, make sure to check out the show notes. We're gonna roll on out now. So thanks to Stacy and thanks for listening. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. 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