Ep. 147: The Pukwudgie Whisperer

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this. Thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. Night. We're gonna be joined by my guest, Susie. Susie is also known as the puck Wedgy Whisperer. She has a lot of research out in the Bridgewater Triangle area looking into these weird little creatures or whatever they may actually be. 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So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Susie. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. Yeah, thanks for having me. We were just talking a second ago. We've kind of been in the same circle of people for like the last six or seven months, but we've never actually spoken before, so looking forward to talking with you. Did anyone like warn you about me or anything? I never heard a single bad thing. Nope, great, great. No, I now the people that we know, like I said, they're good guys. So I haven't heard anything. And other than I see an occasional post of you out wandering through the woods sometimes, So other than that, I don't know a whole lot. Yeah, I do that a lot. I actually take the summer off from my own YouTube channel and get out in the fields every weekend and try to talk to people, little old men that are fishing, firefighters, just local people in different areas, and also try to have my own experiences. So yeah, I end up in the woods a lot in the summertime. What makes you so interested in the stuff? Like, was there something that kind of triggered it for you or was it just something you've always been interested in. So the joke in my family is that I was I was born a few hours short of Friday the thirteenth, the day before a full moon, during a thunderstorm, and I was born still in the amniotic sac which I guess is supposed to be some kind of sign or omen or something. So I kind of grew up. You know, it's like a self fulfilling prophecy. You're You're always told you're the creepy one, and then you know, eventually you get into creepy stuff, right, but puck wedge specifically, because that's what you know. My main area of research is my dad is from Fall River, mass which is on the southern tip of the Bridgewater Triangle, which is a high strangeness area in southeastern Massachusetts. And when I was a kid, my dad would use puck wedgies kind of like the Boogeyman to scare us, and you know, he'd say, like, don't go down to the pond, the pluck wedgies will get you. You don't go too far out into the woods, the puckwadgies will get you. And I always thought it was something my dad made up until it was twenty thirteen. They came out with a Bridgewater Triangle documentary that talked about puck wedgies and I said, hey, wait a minute, my dad wasn't just making that up. And so I started looking into it. And you know, immediately when you start googling things, there's not a whole lot of information, but the information that is out there was very contradictory, and some things would be like completely out of left field, like where the heck does that come from? So I was not satisfied with the results I got from just googling. And you know, my son was young at the time, so I didn't have too much means to get out and do much, but kind of, you know, it was like a hobby at the time, just you know, kind of trying to deep dive it. And you know, now my son's older, I can get out. I can you know, drive to Boston Library if I need to look something up, or you know, get out and talk to people more. But I you know, that's how it. Started, is that you know, one little thing from your childhood that just comes back later in life and you just can't let it go. And I also. I spent a lot of my childhood with my grandmother, who she was an interesting person, and she'd take me out for walks. In the woods. I grew up in the middle of nowhere, by the way, if that isn't obvious, but she would take me out for walks in the woods, and she would always leave some kind of food out on this one spot in the stone wall, and she'd say, you know, that's an offering for the forest spirits. So you know, that was the kind of thing that I grew up with, you know, and it all kind of snowballs out of control, and then you end up with me out in swamps looking for little people when I'm forty years old. I don't know if i'd be out in the swamps. I'm I'm not very big into the woods and everything. I'm not an avid outdoors person. I guess I'm not a city person. Ei there. I live out in the country, but I've never been the most I go out into the woods to be if I'm out discofing. I don't go out in the woods too much. I'm not a hunter or anything like that. I'm just like the woods not for me. That's how I feel about like. So I've done, like you know, gohost hunting in old buildings and things like that. I've never ever had any experiences inside. All of mine have been in the woods for whatever reason. I've done both once or twice, and I don't know if we actually had anything real happen or not. I know that the outdoors when they had flashlights supposedly turning on and all, so something was communicating and their meters jumped. I'm very skeptical. So I'm like, I don't know if I believe you. And then the other time we were in a building and their meters were flipping craziness, like, well, this building was built in the eighteen hundred's, the wiring is original, so I'm assuming there's a lot of weird magnetic fields and EMF stuff going on here. That's not necessarily spirits. It's probably just bad electromagnetic action going on up in here. But yeah, I'm not a big fan of any kind of equipment. I've kind of, you know, messed around with some stuff. It just it doesn't I don't connect with it. It doesn't resonate with me like it doesn't. It's not too exciting when an EMF detector goes off to me. It's not the kind of. I always say it's it's experience is over evidence, and it just doesn't. It doesn't do it for me. For me, everything with them was paranormal, paranormal, paranormal, Like I'm going to try and write everything off was explainable before I'll ever go and say it's paranormal. That's just my mentality. I'd rather rule stuff out before we jump down that. Well, this was a ghost communicating with us, Okay, whatever you said. My first what I was willing to admit was a paranormal experience. Was I saw an orb like a spook late type thing out in the woods. The first thing I did was I googled the humidity level and if there was any seismic activity in the area. So I'm like, I'm going to rule out everything it possibly can before I say this was anything here. Recently, and I already debunked some of it. But around here someone had mentioned that they had seen something glowing and I don't know what they saw. I didn't, but we had something glowing in our backyard at one point too, and then my kids decided that they were going to see and they kind of freaked out, and I went out and investigated. It was a cord that's plugged in in the tip where you could actually plug into the extinc cord it lights up orange. So what they were seeing orange blowing was actually the electrical cord. Yeah. Yeah, So I was like, there, trust me, there's nothing out there creepy. It's just the cord. Yeah. And that's the thing is people are so scared to go and investigate things like that, Like there'd be a lot of people that wouldn't have gone outside to check out that cord, and they would have thought it was something because everyone is so scared of the paranormal and assume everything is paranormal first of all. But if you're always scared of it, always think things are bad, you're never going to be able to look at things objectively and you know, dig deeper, get a closer look. If you're assuming everything is out to get you, and you know you're gonna get attacked by a dog man if you go outside right, you're never going to be able to do good research. In my opinion, I think fear gets in people's way a lot of the time. I know, if dog man ever comes back out after me, I'm punching him. But I always say that I will probably die trying to pet a dog man. I'd like a dog man or something. I have that that, you know, middle aged woman thing where I don't have a safe fear of animals. Well, random tidbit here. Before I came into my studio area outside, I kept hearing a noise in the cornfield, which is literally like twenty feet from where my little barn cabin slash studio is, and I can hear something mewing, so I kept calling for it, and a little baby kitten came out, so I brought it into the garage. That was a disaster. So now he's back outside under my truck because he didn't want to be inside. He was freaking out. But he's still out there meowing, So I don't know what to do. I gave him food, but I was like, he doesn't want to be inside, but he doesn't want to be outside of this, So I was like, sorry, buddy, I don't know what to do for you. Yeah. We actually we have a local cryptid here called the Gloacus, probably a lesser known one, and it was I believe nineteen twenties nineteen thirties in Glastonbury, Connecticut. And when I first heard about that, I started looking into it and one of the things described about it was this horrible noise that it made. People said it, you know, it sounded like a baby being tortured. Well, one of the animals we have in the area occasionally. They're not super common here, but they're. Fisher cats, and it fits both the physical description and the description of that sound. And also during this time of the sightings, there was livestock getting attacked, which fisher cats are it's a cute name, right, they are. They're terrifying animals. We had one near my old house and it would be silent when that thing was around because all the other wildlife would just hide. I'm not sure what that is, so I'm trying to load it on my phone, but it's not worrying. I think they're related to like badgers. Don't quote me on that, but they're they're kind of badger like, like a cross between a badger and a ferret, is how I would describe how it physically looks. They look like, yeah, that's the does look like a fair does look like a badgero. And it's also got like this picture makes it look like a bear. Yeah. Yeah. When you have free time, like go on YouTube and look up fisher cat sounds. They are the most They have the most frightening sound ever. It is just horrible. And you know, this Glacus thing was happening before the Internet and you couldn't look up what a fisher cat sounded like. But I think, you know, I'm always skeptical when I get videos with strange noises in the background because of things like that, because you know, I don't want to, you know, say I got evidence and find out that, you know, it's just some animal that I'm not aware of, and that's, you know, kind of one thing that makes investigating outside a little bit more difficult. There's a lot more going on, a lot more noises happening. Rather than being in a controlled environment. Yep, exactly. I actually had someone reach out to me the other day and I'm they're a vocal person that I know, and they gave me some audio that I'm supposed to be cleaning up. And I've had a chance to sit down and mess with you up. But they've been doing EVP sessions and they thought they caught some stuff, but they asked if I could try and clean up a little bit of it. So at some point I need to sit down and try. But I'm not an audio wizard or anything, so I can do a little bit here and there, but there's a lot, like an eight minute long session, so it's gonna be hard to try and pinpoint noises in the background. But yeah, exactly. I one video that so far we haven't been able to debunk. And there were things that I was hearing at the time, like I heard a plane, I heard a dog barking, but then in the video you can hear something else. It sounds to me like kids playing. There weren't kids around when this happened. I was like in the woods on. A trail at an archaeological site, and there were definitely not kids playing there. But it's so hard with audio when there's like there were cicadas in the background, there was a plane flying over, Like who knows what that could be. I feel like when it comes to the audio and someone I have an episode that came out I think back in like January maybe, but he had an EVP and he was in this old hospital. He worked in this area hospital. It's not really open, and he was in there talking to something and you can hear what sounds like a little girl's voice. I was able to actually clean it up and I put it in the episode. It is kind of creepy because from where he was saying it happened at, there should have been no one else there who's only went in there, so it does sound like a small little girl's voice. Stuff like that is always kind of it gives me like the creep vibe to it. I don't know why, but like, especially when it involves kids, which is like. Little yeah, little kid stuff is always the creepiest, like the Twins from The Shining Twins. Little kids, it's like ten times worse. I've got my own kids and they creep me out half the time anyway. So it's they don't even have to be doing something creepy and in general of like spookiness, so they're just there's creeps in general. But now far as like with puck wedges and stuff, I'd honestly never even heard of that until I actually started doing this show. And it's funny because they're after finding out what the word was, we've referred to them as other things around here. There's a place not too far from where I live, and we always call it hobbit Land. And everyone said they used to see a little human hairy, little human looking people running around out there. Well, these were also the back roads where everyone did the roadies on. So I never took a lot of it seriously because like, on course you're seeing some shit out there, because it's I know what you guys are out there doing. But it's even like the older people like I'm forty and I people are older than me always talked about hobbit Land and then come to find out where I started digging into doing the show and I found out what puck wedges were. There's a lot of people that have actually said that's what those are. They're having experience with puck wedges. And a little bit further south, there's a place called the Mound State Park. YEP. There's a lot of activity there too, So yeah, apparently we have them around this area too. I guess I didn't know that. Yeah, every almost every culture that I know of throughout the world has some little people legends. I mean, you know, in Europe you have the fay and fairies and brownies and elves and gnomes. You know, in South and Central America you have Dwenda's Philippines. They call them Dwende's there too, And they're all like physically a little bit different. There might be like. Nuances with the behavior in different areas, but they're all known to be mischievous. Like I don't want to say tricksters, because that word is now associated with like a little bit more serious mischief than you know, puck wedges you're talking or Dwende's too, you're talking about like the hiding your keys when you're late for work still. Yeah, that kind of mischief, not like you know, tricking you into starting to call and ruining your life type things. Actually, you know, I'm going to backstep a little bit. Duen days if you destroy their homes are known to ruin your lives, but that's you know, retaliation. They're not adherently evil in the sense of just coming here to earn things. Right, And you know, you have to. Humans like to think we're on the top of the food chain, right, and we tend to look at everything that's annoying to us as bad or evil. But if you take a step back and you look at it from their perspective, you know, you're encroaching on their territory. You're destroying where they live. So is you know, is it that they're bad or that they're defending themselves? What would you consider them to actually be. Are they a spirit type of a thing or are they they're their own little It's kind of an open ended question because a lot of people say they're from their own little realm like, so it was like, well, if you'd go out round, then you can go the whole loose side and say they're interdimensional means, because it's the same topic that a lot of people like to throw out there. Yeah, I like to describe them as more of like an elemental type thing. They seem to be very attached to nature. They're also known to be around sacred sites and burial sites, and not just Packwigi's here, but you have the same lore in England of little people around graveyards and things like that. Pacific Northwest also has little people around burial sites, so they they seem almost more like guardians that are somehow, you know, attached to nature. So the word elemental kind of fits that the best. So that's what I've gone with. But you know, you have people out there saying that they're demons or I heard a little while back someone saying that they were nephelim. Okay, hang on, this is going to maybe offend somebody, but everything is not a demon or a nephelim. And I feel like it's a podcast trend that has made it that way. Like it it's made for clicks and views, and it's a very trendy topic nowadays. And for me, I could fall into that realm because I talk about stuff like that too. But I'm at least smart enough to say that I don't think everything is a demon. I don't think everything is enough one. I don't even know if any of that is even real. Like, I'm not going to label everything the same, like people have been labeling the connection with aliens now grays as demons, Like what happened to the good old days where aliens are coming down here and abducting people in pro Bilm and then taking off, But now they're demons there harvesting souls and it was like holy times have change in the last twenty years. Yep, yeah, it scary stuff is what gets views. And you know there's buzzwords too. You know, Phil m is definitely one of those right now. But you know, we don't have all of the answers, and you know, maybe sometimes there are new things. I was just talking to a couple of friends earlier today. There are these things that I see some I don't normally talk this is so, this is I've only recently started experiencing things in the past year or so, so I'm not used to talking about it. I'm used to talking about other people's experiences, so just be patient with me. But I started seeing these things near trailheads or entrances to sites that were always in the trees, but they were like kind of like heat waves off of pavement or like you know, like the predator camouflage. Yeah, that kind of thing. And like you get the sense that they're not friendly per se, but they aren't bad either. And you know, I've been talking to people and you know, trying to figure out what these things are. And you know, I've asked some indigenous people from the area today and they were like, well, you know, we don't It could be something indigenous to the area, but I don't know anything about it, or it could be something new I don't know. And this person works security for one of the tribes out here, and he's like, well, from what you're describing, you like, it kind of sounds like a cop, because you know, cops aren't mean, but they're not friendly either. Or he was actually talking about like security guards. I think I said, Okay, well I'm gonna call them tree cops then, because they're guarding. They're like near entrances all the times and kind of stand offish like a security guard would be. So I'm just gonna make you know. I don't know what they are, so I'm going to make you know my own terminology for it that fits. I've had a few different people talk about this, and one guy, his story was one of the first episodes i'd done, and he had admitted that he only saw these things when he was originally high on methamphetamine, So that kind of loses whatever credibility there was to what he was seeing at that time. But then when you talked to other people, they claim that's how you open your mind up to be able to see these things. I'm like, well, I don't know. I don't do drugs, but I don't know about math. Like I've heard that with like mushrooms and that you know mushrooms like can change synapses and stuff like that, I don't know about math. Going to be honest there. But someone else had also, like another interview, right after she'd mentioned something that wasn't even what the topic of the interview was about, and she'd just nonchalantly mentioned walking her dog and seen one of these things by a vehicle. She described it as the predator. And then in I think It's one of the Missing four one one documentaries, someone that talked about seeing one of these things in a tree and they use the term like a predator every person I've ever talked about it always uses that cloaking by the predator as a way to describe it as almost like prison me. How they are camouflaged or whatever, And I got some hair brained idea of I'm not saying that they're not from here or anything like that, but like I know, military wise, they've tried to make stuff like that. I'm not saying they're random some random persons out there testing out their camouflage, but you can't roll that out at this point of them at not being normal. But it seems very strange in that sense too, So I don't know if it's I don't I don't say it's an alien. I don't want to say it's don't. I have no idea, But I've heard a lot of people on their shows too mentioned the same thing. So it makes me wonder what everyone's seen, because it's strange that everyone is now saying they've been seeing this predator quote unquote being out here. It's scarier if it is some kind of like reverse engineered military technology then if it was just you know, a tree cop. Like my theory, I'd rather be paranormal than. Some creep yep for sure, that's what I was actually thinking too, is like it's actually even worse if it is humans, because I know humans are dirt bags. Yeah, anyone creeping around and camouflage are gonna be doing up to no good stuff just because they can get away with it because no one can see them. And I do think paranormal entities can be dirt bags too, Like if you believe that ghosts are human in spirits, people aren't always great. So you know, when you have a haunting, the ghost is kind of being a jerk. That's just that's human behavior. And I think the same thing can happen with like elementals. They can get. Angry and then you know we're we're calling them evil because you know, everyone gets creepy vibes in this one place. Well maybe it's because there's graffiti all over the place and people are litering. You know, there's this one place in the Bridgewater Triangle. It's called a Sonnet Ledge, and one of the stories there is that people feel compelled to jump off of this ledge. It was an old quarry, so there's a ledge that's pretty high and a small pond at the bottom, and there are a lot of documented deaths there from people going over, but like you go there. The last time I was there, I pulled up to the entrance and there was a literal garbage bag full of junk that had been ripped open. There's graffiti all over the place, not even you know, just on signs, but it's on like the rocks and the trees, and you know, if there was some kind of entity there that would make me mad if someone came to my house and did that. I've watched videos and I kind of crack up because I'm reading what the graffiti on the walls are saying, and they're in there at like asking all these questions and being serious, and then you see some nasty stuff in the background or some usually a lot of racist stuff too. And I don't understand people at all, but that, Uh, I was like, how can you take this seriously? Like in the background, I'm seeing like some pretty keenus stuff from almost spray painted on walls. Yeah, it's always penises for some reason, I. Don't understand that either, but and maybe it's my immaturity, but when I see it, I have to giggle. It's just it's like an instant reaction just to giggle at it because it doesn't matter where you are and you see the random penis and you're just like, what the fuck? Yep, yeah, it's like where it's waldough But. Yeah, right, it's I was. For what I do for work purposes, I always have to go out and I do construction stuff. So we do highway paving and we do like redoing bridges and all sorts of things. So I've had to go underneath the bridge, brand new bridge that we had just built, and someone went up in there and had to write a very racist N word and of course next to a penis. Of course. Yeah, those were the two brand new, nice graffiti markings that were up under the bridge. This was twelve thirteen years ago. But I was like, man, it's not even like a couple months old and they've already put up in here and started spray painting it. I don't get people at all. And then there was about seven years ago they just paved the road, brand new paving, and someone out there with orange spray painting, spray painting like a thirty foot long unit, Like Jesus, I don't how do you have time to do that in the middle of the street, But they did. Yeah, my. Adventure slash research actually takes me under bridges quite often. It's just under this past weekend, I was under at least two and there's actually some amazing artwork on the sides of bridges sometimes. And seen anything we could harness that. So I'm not seeing anything down here that's all that fascinating. But I see stuff on trains when they go by, and I don't know how I have the time to paint those books. Some of the stuff on paint, like on the train side walls or everything are there's a lot of good detail to them. Yeah, but now far as uh got off topic here as tom bio graffiti and penises apparently. But back to the puck wedgie stuff. I know of a few people in this area that have talked about stuff at this Mountain State Park, and my in law used to camp down there and I been down there. If you I never knew anything about this was a couple of years ago. I was like, Now afterwards, I'm like, man, I will shout a notes ide it went out and try to find something. Yeah, the the pucklogies there are a bit different than what we call puck wedgies here. So the Pucklogies. Here, they're you know, generally about three feet tall, and they're humanoid looking, but they have it's usually described as like a chipmunk like face. They kind of have these big cheeks and pointy ears and the like. Traditional description that you'll read will say they have porcupine like quills on their head in their back. However, none of the people I've spoken to that have had experiences reported quills. They've all said they had like fur. The ones in near Mountain State Park, those are described basically like miniature humans about again about three feet tall. But what I've heard there is they are seen with blonde hair that's always like in a bowl cut. They still have the pointy ears that kind of stick out of their bowl cut, and they're usually sighted wearing blue like it's usually described as like a blue like smock. So they have like actual clothes there. The ones here when my favorite description was, you know, a woman was asked who had seen them, if you know it was wearing pants, and she said, you know, it's belly hung down solo. I couldn't tell if it was wearing pants or not. So they have a. Bit of a beer gut so and it's interesting the differences, but also when you get into the similarities from like different parts of the world. That kind of is what made me think there was maybe a little bit more to it than just, you know, it being like a cool local folklore, which is what I thought it was when I started looking into it. I interviewed someone last year actually interviewing try Spot two different topics, but this one topic was it was in Florida. I think it was around Jacksonville maybe, but he saw him and his cousin had saw this little humanoid thing, and I'm pretty sure he said it was brown in color, but he said the way it ran, it's almost like its legs were up towards its shoulders, like it was very like squatty looking, and it ran off that way, and it wasn't super tall. But he actually has pictures of the footprints and he sent me those, and I've always thought they were weird looking because they do look like little footprints, but they don't I don't know what they would actually be from, but they don't look like animal footprints, look more humanoidsh footprints, but they're not marmal sized footprints. And I don't think they had five toes and there's only four. Huh, But they saw this little thing is hiding. It looked like I said, it was covered in dirt or mud. Is it? It's like brown color, like trying to blend in with the grass and everything. And it maybe only been about eighteen inches tall. But it ran off on the two legs, but its legs were like up towards its shoulders when it took off running like almost like it was hungered down and it ran that way. Kind of strange. I don't know of any other stories about puck wedges that they don't seem to look like that. But you mentioned with the big belly and everything. I wonder if maybe it was that it looked that way because it had the way the gut was or something, and you couldn't really tell the difference of how where the legs were or not. But have you ever heard anything similar to that before? No, I can't think of any. I say, I'm picturing like a cross between a puck Wedgy and a Fresno night crawler right now. Yeah, yeah, I haven't heard of anything that sounded, you know, quite that deformed. Normally they're literally just like little people. But you know, maybe they have like the big pointy ears or their faces aren't as human like. Yeah, I've definitely never heard that. That's interesting. I used to think, like when you mentioned faith, people will always talk about goblins and they talked about trolls, which for me, as a kid from the eighties and early nineties, I think the trolls like the big colored hair and like the little charm on their belly. Yep, but that is what I thought trolls were. I don't know what the actual descriptions of trolls are like. I think they changed throughout, Laura, I know them like some of the things are some are big and some aren't big. But when it comes to like goblins or whatever, obviously you have the Kelly Green men story that can tug you got whatever you want to call them, they're like little humanoid things too, but they have a big ears, but they don't they don't have the hair right, and I think they're may be a little bit bit. I think they're about three feet tall roughly, but I've been there. Was there was a a UFO spotted in the area during that time too, Yeah, which you know, if you're looking at pack wedgies and the Bridgewater Triangle, there are a lot of UFO sightings, but that isn't necessarily related. But what they what is associated with little people sightings is orbs. Here they call them type wonkas, you know in Europe they call them will of thesps. And I'm mixed feelings on that. You know, you can because little people are spotted in swamps a lot, so you you can't roll out swamp gas sometimes, but you know, swamp gas doesn't behave the way that witnesses describe these lights. And I think in Mound. State Park they're associated with fireflies as well. I've read those stories. But one of the people I talked to that had a sighting in the Bridgewater Triangle, I had asked him, you know it was anything else strange? Did you hear anything, smell anything, see anything? And he said, you know, I didn't. I don't know if it's related, and I didn't, you know, think of it at the time, but there was a lot of fireflies out that night and he had he didn't know what a puckwagy was, definitely didn't know about like the Mountain State Park Puckwaji lore. So that was an interesting connection there. I don't know much about the whole lords of puckwage. That's not something I've really looked into. More of a I guess you would say it more of a bigfoot type person or dog man to the extent of why I do what I do. But this is all more new to me because again I'm very skeptical on a lot of things. I never took a whole lot of stock in this stuff up until it started doing more into this, because I've always just tried to write things off for some reason. I don't want to believe it. I want to believe, but I guess I don't. It's weird to say, but nowadays I'm a lot more open minded to stuff and I kind of want to experience things. It's weird to say that people because when they have experience and a lot of people are traumatized from it. And I've always said, if I'm the idiot that sees a bigfoot, I'm probably gonna die because I'm gonna chase after it. Everyone else is like standing back a hundred feet away trying to record, and all he sees blurry bushes and they red circle everything, and there's bigfoots, Like I think bigfoot. That's a tree. I'm gonna go after Bigfoot, so if no one ever sees me again, I don't have any more episodes coming out. I probably found Bigfoot, but I'm sure that'll piss somebody off because Bigfoot don't Bigfoot doesn't hurt anybody. Okay, But anyways, that's my mentality on things is I'm not going to run away. And I hear a lot of people talk about things and they're terrified of it, like I don't. Maybe it'll be different if I'm face to face with something again and it's not I'll react, But in my mind I know what I'm gonna do. If I actually go through with it, I don't know, but I feel like I'm going to go after it. Yeah, And I think if you're approaching things with fear or a negative mindset, you're going to have a different experience, just like with people, Like if you're out in public and you're just you know, stressed out and terrified and nervous, you know you're not gonna have good interactions in public. If you are out, level. Headed, you're gonna have better experiences. And I think, you know, you mentioned like people being traumatized from experiences I do think that trauma is part of opening yourself up to experiences. For me, I so I have PTS. I was attacked. It was nineteen years ago. I'll like spare the details, but that person went to prison for attempted murder for eight years. And it wasn't until it was a little over a year ago that I finally found you know, treatment and therapy that helped get my PTSD under control. And it was after I did that that I was able to open myself up to having paranormal experiences. That's at least what I attribute it to. And you know, people that have known me before and after that have kind of co signed on that theory. So and that's not to say, you know, if you have trauma, you can't experience the paranormal. But like you know, for me personally, I had shut myself down for even you know, experiences with other humans. I just like you know, closed off that part of my brain. And I think I closed myself off to the paranormal when I did that. So you know, it's just like how kids seem to be more open to things. As we get older, we start kind of shutting down parts of our brain to protect ourselves. A little bit. That is just my personal opinion on that. From my experiences. There is something I'm gonna I'll talk to you off air about it, but it'll it kind of relates to what you're just talking about. But far as like with paranormal and stuff, my kids, I feel like see things every once in a while. My kid is three years old and last year he started saying ghost. He just turned three in June. He can barely speak like he speaks more now, but back last year, it's almost a year ago. Now he starts saying ghost. Well, he couldn't say anything hardly, so that's a very specific word. And he was afraid of and he kept pointing at stuff and when none of us seen it, but he was terrified and kept saying ghost, Daddy, ghosts. That bothers me because I'm like away, I was like, what am I supposed to do? Because I want to protect my child and he's afraid of a ghost that I don't see. So I'm going around going to go punch air because stop looking at my kid. Whatever you are, like, I don't know, right. Do you have any animals pets? Yeah, we have. We had two dogs at the time, one actually passed away in March, and now I got a new dog. He uh, we inherited a dog, but I didn't really want another dog. But now we have a puppy and we have a. Cap You gotta get the one or the other to be the ghost detector for the kid. Well, I'm pretty sure the the shepherd is very family protective. She is our guard dog. And there's some stuff that always happens in my daughter's room and that dog doesn't like going in there. Here's what's an interest, Like, we're talking about little people, and I don't like talking about my own stuff on these episodes. Heuse everyone's probably like I'm tired of hearing any guy's stuff. But back in January, I saw a shadow running down the hallway to my daughter's room. And the shadow was maybe fifteen to eighteen inches tall, not very big, and it was on two legs. I can't tell you what it was, but I've seen it going along the edge of the wall down the hallway. I went out, like one in the morning or something. I was getting to drink and I was coming back and we have a little night light in the hallway, which would be on the north side. So the reflection would be over on the south side of the house, but it was running towards my daughter's bedroom, so I all asked down the hallway and go right into her room. I don't see anything. She's sound asleep in her bed, and that always is the same room. Like we get random condensation in the corner of her room. And we've always had weird stuff, and she doesn't like sleeping in her room. She has bad dreams. And she used to tell us that her friend Chloe lived under the floor, her imaginary friend that ended up. She told us when that being a ghost, so very creepy stuff. And for this thing, I'd seen it go down the hallway. The next day when everyone was gone, I tried to make the dog go into the room, and that dog dead wait at me at the door. When I had to drag her in there, she would not go into that bedroom. And as soon as I like go over, she ran out. But if my daughter's in there, the doll will go in there. Yeah. I will trust a dog over a human when it comes to the paranormal anytime. Yeah, But far as far as that goes, the dog has also brought us too random teeth that looked like the same exact tooth, which we're actually pretty sure is the same exact tooth, and they looked like little child teeth. So there is a lot of creepy stuff that goes on in my house, and my house isn't even that old, so I don't I'm assuming it's with the land. I want to say, I don't know, but we have no idea. So my wife, actually we had the tooth, and then I found that the dog was chewing on it showed my wife thought it was weird. Apparently she threw it away. And then a couple months later, the dog was chewing on a tooth again and it looked like the same tooth, And then my wife turned white as a ghost because she said she threw it away. So I took the tooth down the road and tossed it into a field towards a name house because neighbors are kind of a holes and they can have the bad juju. I don't want it, So I tossed it in their cornfield and I talked with someone else and they asked me to go find it because they wanted me to mail them to tooth so they can inspect it. I was like, man, it's out my field and there's corn I'm never gonna find this tooth. They told me to take the dog because the dog found it once or twice before it'll find it again. It's like, I'm not walking through a cornfield look for a random tooth. But I have photos of you. I can send them to you after the episode. But yeah, there's just random, weird things that have happened around here. Yeah, and it's it's weird that it was such a small shadow. Did your daughter say, Kurt imaginary ghost friend was a kid? Yeah, she was purple and I asked her why she purple and she told me because she's dead. I mean that checks out. Yeah, that's when she was like two or three. Again, when it comes to kids stuff, my kids are creepy. I don't understand what they are because they don't watch stuff like this. I don't talk about stuff like this around any of them or anything like and I'm they don't know what I do talk about. So it's just weird that this stuff happened, and that stuff was happening before I even did the show. I've been told by people that I'm the cause of all of this because I'm doing this show, so I'm bringing in all these evil spirits in the house. I was like, well, first of all, this happened before I even did the show, so thank you. And I have. My son is sixteen now, but he has, you know, been exposed to like ghost stories. You know, I'm he's not you know, watching the Terrifier when he's a kid or anything, but he has you know, definitely been exposed to you know, ghost stories, bigfoot stuff like that his entire life. He has no fear. We went to like Eastern State Penitentiary, we've gone to we say, to the Lizzie Borden House. He does not not care, has never had a paranormal experience at all, probably. Doesn't really believe in him. He kind of. Like thinks it's cool a little bit, but just kind of like he's not really like into it. I don't think my older kids really care. I think they've probably think I'm weird. And then. I know that my steps on the last me stuff about whatever, and I always We lived by the place where I had my run in with this upright walking canine and we drive through there. He's like, I'm gonna see dog man. I was like, I'm running m over if he comes out, my mind's stopping. So they make jokes, but I don't think they take too much stock into it, because last year they decided they were going to try and do a singing ounce in the basement with their friends, and dad came down and breaked out and started screaming at them about bringing in stuff. They don't even know what they're messing with. One of the friends, one of their friends that's never came back. They probably went home and told their parents that that guy's crazy. He was screaming about demons and portals and opening up things and I'm going to be chased by spirits the rest of my life. That's over protective dad mode scared of the kids. So they don't mess with stuff they don't know what they're doing. Yeah, absolutely, I think you know a lot of I remember we did it. You know. I was in middle school when the craft came out, and it was like, you know, every slumber party as a feather stiff as a board, and then like homemade weed ge boards because none of our parents would let us buy one stuff like that. Mm hm. I never messed with any of that stuff. I've been too superstitious. I grew up in a very religious household, and like not just my house, but like my grandparents used to be My grandpa played piano for the church and they remember. So it's like that was my growing up things. So obviously Ouiji boards were the devil, like you're talking to the demons and everything. So everything in my family was demons, demons, demons. There's no such thing as ghosts are all demons. I'm like I was never that way. Like I believed in ghost I believed in Bigfoot, I believed in aliens. But I'm also the odd ball of the family too, so there's that. Yeah. I I grew up watching X files and in search of with my dad, and then I had the you know, the hippie ish grandma leaving offerings for forest spirits. Yeah. I always wanted to be Foximle or not. I didn't get to do that. But I feel like, maybe just a little bit now, I'm just living out that childhood mentality that I wanted to explore. I wanted to believe. So this is the extent of it. Behind my computer and microphone. Have you do you feel like you believe more now through talking to people being very intelligent and sane and hearing their experiences than before you started doing the show. A little bit more. I feel like I know from what people are talking about. Like, I don't believe that everyone's just on here bs and er making up stuff or insane. I think people are experiencing a lot of the stuff they think they are. It doesn't say I believe one hundred percent of everything, but I think majority of the people that I talk to believe what happened to them actually happened to them. Does that make sense? Like, I'm not saying like this person was actually they saw big foot. I believe they saw something, but I don't necessarily know if what they saw was what they think they saw. Right. You believe in their experience, but maybe not their assessment of it. Right, just because I've even questioned my own I've done everything I can to write it off as something explainable, but I always come back to and I can't. So that's why I get hung up on it. Yeah. My one of my co hosts on The High Strangest Factor, Andy Mercer, he's a psychotherapist, and we were just discussing alien abductions recently, and he brought up that, you know, a lot of these happen when people are sleeping or at. Night, and he went into kind of. Not exactly sleep paralysis, but you know, like the how people will see the hat man or the old hag. There's you know, there's he can say it, you know, much more eloquently than I can. But parts of your brain can kind of malfunction and cause you to have these experiences. Doesn't mean you didn't have the experience. Though. It's funny when you mentioned hat man and sleep paralysis, because I never even knew what a hat man was up until a couple of years ago. But I swear on everything. Back in two thousand and four, I still lived in my parents' house and I'd woken up in the middle of My throat was burning. But when I opened my eyes above me, I called it the Cowboy. I just saw the black silhouette of what looked like someone wearing a cowboy hat over top of me and choking me, and I couldn't move. My body was like frozen, And finally I was able to break free and I went and got a drink. My throat was bernie, so I always wrote it off all dreaming because my throat was hurty and I needed a drink, and i'd recently watched this old It wasn't old at the time, but the movie had come out called Bubba Hotep, which was Bruce Campbell playing Elvis Presley and Ozzie Davis was JFK. But somehow they died his skin to be a black man, and they were in a nursing home and they had to fight as a mummy that came back that was sucking the souls out of people. A very screwed up movie. But I just watched that that night, I think, so I decaid, well, I had a nightmare. I was thinking of Bubba Hotep coming to get me because Bubba Hotep wore a weird goofy hat like that. So for twenty something years, that's just for almost twenty years, I just said, that's all it ever was. When then I started hearing other people talk about hat man and sleep paralysis and everything, I was like, wait a minute, I actually experience that. It's just weird. Yeah, nightmares are weird. I had some reoccurring nightmares a few years ago that like set me down this wild goose chase in the dreams that I was back in my hometown, which immediately is scary because I'm from like a very small minded, small town, backwoods farm. Town, and. I was helping this you know, older woman, probably like sixty five. She reminded me of like Auntie em from the Wizard of Oz, helping her on her farm. I go to leave, and the transmission is missing from my car. It's just dream logic. It's just gone. I don't know how it happened. And then I so I go to the woman to ask, like, can I use your phone to call someone? And she starts screaming at me that I can't leave, and I'm stuck there, and I go to try to run away and she has her farm hands grab me, and that's kind of where the dream ends. But it was always at this one specific house that was an actual house in my hometown. So after having this dream it was like three times over two weeks, I called my mom and she says, oh, yeah, that's the house your grandmother grew up in. And I had never known that, and she, you know, I'm describing the dream to her and she says, that sounds like your great grandmother. And she ended up sending me. A couple of pictures that she had of her and it was you know. That woman. And I'm trying to think of, like, did I ever see these pictures as a kid, And it just stuck in my brain and then decades later, my brain pulled it out while I'm asleep. But come to find out, my grandmother was disowned by her mother because she got pregnant a few months before they got married. And my great grandmother was apparently very religious and also very mean according to my mother, And I found some old newspaper clippings where her husband was sued by his cousin because she had signed the deed to that house from my dreams over to him with the understanding he would take care of. Her, and then he didn't. And the newspaper clippings say that the bone of. Contention was. This great grandmother that's yelling at me in the stream and trying to keep me there. I went crazy trying to figure out why I was having these nightmares. Ultimately I got fed up with it. I ended up going to the house. Finally. I had been scared to go there. I finally got up the nerve to go. I pulled up and I kind of sat in my car, didn't. Want to get out. At first. Then I got out and I smelled smoke, and there was like an outbuilding in the backyard that had it looked like it had been collapsed for years. No one has lived in this house for probably about a decade. The outbuilding in the back, like an old shed or something, had caught on fire, and so I ended up having to. Call the fire department. But it's a small town and it's a volunteer fire department, so they take like forty five minutes to get there. So I went and grabbed the neighbor put it out, and I said, like, there, there's nothing good is coming from me trying to figure out these nightmares, and I just decided I'm going to ignore it, not pay any more attention to it, and. It finally stopped. It was I probably had those nightmares for about two years on and off, so and it kind of drove me crazy, like trying to figure out why why I was having these nightmares. But ultimately I just decided, like it's it's no good reason, like nothing good's coming from this, I'm just gonna leave it alone. I don't ever recall ever having the same dream. I've woken up and then went back to sleep and went back into the same type of dream. But I've never had more than that same Like, I don't remember ever having a dream and having the same dream again, or being involved in it after that, after the same sleeping time frame. I've had similar dreams repeat. When my son was a baby, I kept tabbing dreams that the brakes in my car would go out, but each time it was a little bit different, like it'd be in a different spot. Is that something you were actually concerned about. I have. Yeah, I have a lot of car anxiety, so I think that's probably what manifested those dreams. And like you know, your first kid, when they're little, you're nervous about everything. Right, I was terrified with my daughter. And as far as the car anxiety, I think it may just be a lady thing in general, because I feel like my wife has pressed the emergency passenger brake and steering wheel all the time. Anytime I'm driving, someone could be stopping a mile ahead and she's over there slimming on an imaginary brake. I'm like, don't worry. I've never had a wreck. It's been twenty five years of me driving. I think we'll be okay. Yep, I did the imaginary break as well. I'll admit it. Yeah, I said it. I think it. I've never been with a guy that I've ever noticed you, and maybe it is, but like I know, far as I've ever rode with girls, it seems to be that they're always slamming on their feet in this imaginary break if it, whatever, whatever works, I guess. I found out recently that cars, like the safety equipment. And cars are made for people that are a minimum of five foot five. I'm five foot two. I am. I forget what percentage it was, but I am much more likely to die in a car accident because I'm under five foot five than someone of normal height. So maybe. It's a leap, but I'm trying to defend us here. Maybe because seat belts don't fit us right and are, you know, basically decapitating us, we're a little bit more nervous about getting a wreck. I hadn't heard that before, so maybe that is subconsciously everyone's afraid of the seat belt cutting their head off. It does make me a little bit nervous, and you know, I'm just picturing hereditary now, so that's not helping. So I made my my wife and I have been together for six and a half years, and that was she was pregnant with our daughter, and I brought that movie home. I rinsed it, I think from like one of the red boxes, which I think those are out of business now, which is strange because they put all the movie theater or the movie rental places out of business. But anyways, i'd rent at that. She didn't know anything about it, and she asked why I bring home stuff like this to traumatize her to watch. She thinks because she's not she likes scary stuff and she's very much afraid of stuff, so she doesn't enjoy it that much. But I do nothing about it other than, like everyone says, a good movies, I wanted to watch it, so I brought it home. I was like, oh, I didn't expect that. Yeah. I was not mentally prepared for that movie either. Now I've never watched Midsummer but I did watch what was the other one that he did? The director had done another movie. Maybe I'm thinking confusing. No, I'm the guy that did The Witch. Everyone said The Witch was such a great movie, and I kind of found it a little boring. But then he did The Lighthouse and I actually liked The Lighthouse, but now he's doing Nosfaratu. I'm kind of a movie nerd, so yeah, I. Like the Lighthouse as well. I don't think I've watched The Witch all the way through, so maybe that's saying that it's not too great if I didn't make it the whole way. I just felt like it was boring. I don't know why, like I just had just it disinterested me, which is weird because I'm usually into like stuff like that. But for some reason, that movie just did not click. But it's neither here nor there. Well, is there anything else you'd like to discuss. We've been talking for about an hour now. No, but I did want to, you know, put out that. I think that as a society, we're kind of getting a little bit better about being able to talk about things like Bigfoot or UFO sightings. I think that it's still very stigmatized to talk about little people's sightings. You can't go to work around the water cooler and be like, hey, I saw a gnome in the woods over the weekend. Like you'll get locked up if you do that. But from my experience with talking to people, it's. Not that uncommon. And if any of your viewers just need to get it off of their chest. I have a blog, it's puck Wedgies dot blogspot dot com and there is a contact form on there that you can You don't have to give me your name if you don't want to. I'm not going to try to talk into doing a podcast if you don't want to. If you if you want to come on a podcast, you can talk to Brandon and tell your story there. But if you just want to get it off your chest to someone that won't think that you're crazy, puck Wedgies dot blogspot dot com, hit me. Up talk about it. I'll make sure to include that in the show notes. So whatever you'd already sent me, like your link tree, is it in there? It is in there, yep. So anyone listening, it'll be in the link tree. So go to the show notes and you can click that and you can get in contact with Susie. I want to say though, it's been a pleasure talking with you. Glad you were able to finally get connected. Yeah, thanks for having me. I had a great time. You know, as a listener, it's always nice to get to talk. To the hosting person once in a while so it's a nice treet for me. I didn't know you listened, because I feel like ninety nine percent of the people I've ever talked to don't listen to the show. Because I get asked a bunch of questions about the show, I was like, well, if you knew about the show while you're asking me about it. I listen out of order, and I know that infuriate some hosts, but I think it works for you. Yeah, there's no sequencing of how I go about things. I literally release them in the order that I record them. So some people have seasons like how does that work? I just I don't know. I'm not that organized. I don't think that far ahead, so I just record things. Like right now, I'm going to be out of sequence because I'm planning a Halloween show and I have to record those episodes and put them in line with this, so this actual will come out after Halloween. But I haven't even recorded the Halloween episode yet, so I'm OCD about stuff. So I'm already tweaking out because it's not going to be in order. Because I like to have everything in order. I keep things somewhat in order, and now that i'm doing it this way, I'm like, man, I can't number it correctly. I'm just jumping back and forth. So yeah, I've been stressed out about it for the last two weeks. Yeah, it's the little things sometimes it is. Well, you hang on here because I want to talk to you off air about some stuff. But I do appreciate you coming here and talk with me tonight. And make sure for all the listeners out there to check out the link tree for Susie and if you've ever had a puck Waldgy experience, make sure to reach out to her. But on that note, we're going to roll out. So thanks to Susie and thanks for listening. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good night, everyone, see sounds in the. Head soon, Yeah, it's time to rock. Got a story about a cryptic creature. Let's take a walk, big Foot talk. 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