Ep. 167: Paranormal Bigfoot

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to ten Foil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode, we're gonna be joined by my guest, Toby. Toby's a researcher out in Oregon, Washington area. We've kind of got in contact here recently. 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I'm originally from the Willamette Valley in Oregon, Eugene Springfield Cottage Grove area to be exact. Circa you know, two thousand and five, my son and I found a muddy footprint on a pretty well known hiking trail, barefooted track going into the BlackBerry bushes. Got us asking questions about hoaxing or the real McCoy. Turns out that, you know, we really didn't come to an answer as far as that footprint meaning anything. But we start interviewing Bigfoot witnesses pretty much immediately after that, and we had them kind of all around us we never really knew. And so here we are in twenty twenty twenty four and we have boy three documentaries out of fourth one coming all under the banner of the name A Flash of Beauty. And then I wrote a book about a paranormal hotspot where Bigfoot is kind of the foundational issue of you know, the paranormal side of things, and that's called the ALM Lab. So we can go down any road you want. I am good with whatever you want to talk about, but the documentaries peak me lately because that's something I'm currently trying to do. So We've been doing some filming here and there, getting things lined up with actual eyewitnesses my area, because I actually live in an area that has a lot of high strangeness, not just encryptid relative, but there's some paranormal in a lot of EUFO activity. So for me, it's if you want to talk about that. I mean, I'm cool acause I'm always trying to pick the brains of people that knows what they're doing. Gives me some ideas to help me out. So I'm doing everything DIY, so it's kind of learning as I go. Yeah. So for me, I was invited into a film crew that it was already established, and they had heard from researcher Ron Morihead, who is a friend of mine that also lived in the same town as me, that I was an act of researcher and slash peripheral witness to bigfoot type activities. I was sincere about my quest to have a sighting, really and it ended up in the little town of Cottage Grove after all these years of searching from two thousand and five to twenty eighteen, that's when the story the al Moonlab really kicks into gear and takes place, and it's you know, the film crew found out that we were having ongoing activity on the property of the Adams family that was their real names, Darryl and Cindy Adams, were having bigfoot activity at their house and they were in a very well known cryptid hot spot, a place that I kind of grew up around hearing stories. We cast a bunch of footprints out that way in twenty twelve and Darryl happened to live boy right in the conical valley of one of the main that was a hotspot for bigfoot and UFOs and ghost and so I was like, oh boy, you live in a hotspot, dude. And so he invited me to come move out to his property. And you know, I pretty much warned Darrel. I said, listen, I've made up my mind about what's going on with this issue. I don't have the luxury disbelief that this is just a biological you know, man, monkey science is not going to explain this. This is like a type of magic that's happening around them. And I said, if you hang around me, you know your name may be tainted in this community. So you know, how how deep do you want to go down this rabbit hole? And so we just kicked off into gear right after that, He's like, I don't care. I just want to go out and do stuff. I'm retired. And so the documentary crew found out that we we had stuff going on and that we could back it up because we would invite people out to this living laboratory to experience the supernatural. Because because yes, it was starting off as a bigfoot hotspot where knee impressions were cast with anomalous hair at plus fourteen hundred pounds, you know, human like animation, and anatomy to the patella on these giant knees that we cast out of hydrocl Giant man like handprints, you know, twice the size of my own, greasy, wildy handprints that would reach up to thirteen twelve feet. Squeeze the rain gutters, pull the fences down, try to attempt to kind of like hide or obscure their view. We assume underneath the ease of the garage, which was kind of connected to the house, and then the weird gifts, odd things, things that we had just spoken about would end up in the most mysterious of places, in the most mysterious of ways. Middle of the day, you'd be talking about something and if you don't know what a apport is, an apport is an item that appears out of thin air. That's where the whole idea of pennies from heaven come from, because the idea of pennies or something shiny is highly connected to the world of the Poltergeist. Well, this is this is where Sasquatch lives. He lives in the spirit world. This is what the native Americans have been telling us is that they are supernatural human like being and they come and go, they live between the veils. And so this is what the documentary you know, intentionally was going to be about, was about this paranormal hotspot to one degree or another. And then we just started interviewing witness after witness that I knew some of these people, I set up the director and the producer with them, and when they saw my ability to be able to, you know, talk about reaching to the witnesses world in a way that they maybe couldn't because they didn't have the boots on the ground. They just had me, like as a consultant. And so I became a co producer and so that's where the flash of beauty Bigfoot revealed, and the flash of beauty paranormal Bigfoot came from HM. Now, when it comes to bigfoot stuff, for me, I'm more of a u preide walking canine person just because of my own personal weird experience. But I've always been a believer in bigfoot, even though everyone laughed, oh that's not real, this isn't they For me, it just it made more sense because we had creatures, did they talk? And I'm not saying a gigantic but because it was a bigfoot. But we at least know that a primate a large primary of the walk like as was at least an existing primary for you, and then you just you kind of hit on it. But are these things physical to you? Because obviously they leave impressions, they leave footprints, they do this, and they do that. But I talk with a lot of people, and especially even with around morehead now there's more of a different element to them. Is that how you kind of align yourself? Yeah, so they walk between the two worlds and they can sometimes it seems like they have to abide by our natural laws here and then they can kind of flirt with them and change them and modify them. That's where these you know, the lack of evidence behind this mystery points to something else going on that people are ignoring. They've included and disqualified and censored a whole data set of mysterious encounters. You realize now that you go to a BFRO convention or camp out or research gathering for for or five days at seven hundred dollars apiece, mind you that now you're going to a paranormal conference because Matt Moneymaker has just come out. See this is after years of just kind of driving this down that we're only going to talk about Gigantipithecus Blackie, that we're only going to talk about really commented. We're going to follow behind, you know, the steps of Newtonian science and where Meldrum you know, does his research. But people are stepping up. They're getting ahead of the issue here because now the versioning of the UFO UAP contact is here, and it explains so much of the Sasquatch issue because there is this compartmentalized information or data set with the UFOs, very much like the Bigfoot issue. And we're finding that, you know, when we go to conferences, people reach out to us. We go to a conference like Phenomicon. If you ever get a chance to go to any conference, you know, go to vernal Utah in September to Phenomicon. Pay the money. It's a four or five day conference right outside of Skinwalker Ranch. And when these you know, physicists walk up to your table after they see your documentary and you know, they go into skiffs and talk to you know, higher ups about the UAP issue, and they walk up to your booth and tell you that we have the science right that tends to mean something. And it is not just the fact that someone once or twice said that at a conference. It's the countless hours of talking to people and hearing the real story because it takes, you know, it takes a while for someone to talk about a sasquatch story. It takes a whole different type sometimes most of the time to talk about these other hidden events that change your worldview and your spirituality degree that not just Bigfoot does. And so you know, that's why I started doing podcast at bars back in two thousand and eight nine, and I've done a couple of different iterations. I'm doing a new one here in Port Towns in Washington called Olympic Strange Days lives. Once a month, people come, have a drink and some food, They get a little tipsy, and their inhibitions die down and they're ready to talk about the stranger stuff after an hour or so. And this is what really sold me on it is that these people were telling me the same earnest eyewitness stories of sasquatch, but they were saying, Sasquatch follows me home. They were saying these disappearing tracks disappeared in a fresh snow drift. They were saying, gosh, it cloaked in front of me. That's an obvious one. And on and on, Sasquatch hops and board UFOs and is abducted like humans. That's something I heard from Linda Moulton Howe. So it's a fascinating theory that they can do this, and maybe fun and seems fake to most people, but this is the damn truth. This is the way it works, is that we're talking about an era that doesn't believe in magic anymore. They've been robbed of it because, in my opinion, the upper echelons of the one percent know the whole deal. They know that magic's real, and they've given us this compartmentalized, kindergarten version of science. And that happened probably during the New Mexico atomic Bomb time, where we took away the spirituality from science and we just said, oh, evolution is it. Science is it? And these are all calculations and beakers. Now we're talking about some very old I mean, the idea of Bigfoot goes back to pagan traditions in Eastern Europe. This is not a Native American issue. It is, in part a story of the first nations people. But it is all over and it goes back eons. There's been reports of these type of creatures on every continent. I'm aware of it from me, like Antarctica obviously, but everyone has their own hairy man story. Yeah, that's very true, pretty much. I think there's like over two hundred names in America for the phenomena. I traditionally call them sasquatch just because it's bigfoot. Sounds ridiculous, and everybody's got like a bigfoot coffee and bigfoot this. But we got to know them to a degree. This group that came down that I ended up seeing from the knees down behind my jeep. The property owner saw one running through the power lines behind the house. The fertilizer farmer behind us saw a blue eyed bear advance on him at two in the morning. Everyone had a story about the blue eyed bear. Right, this is what they this is how they dealt with it, the upright blue eyed bear, glowing blue eyes. Right, and so, but we got to at least I came to the coclusion conclusion that these things are a type of land spirit, and land spirits are tricksters. That's you know. By the nature is something like a ferry or alf or something like that. They they never give you the full truth for whatever reason. Sasquatch is the same. But you know, one of the videos that we have up right now on our YouTube channel, a Flash of Beauty the podcast and a Flash of Beauty the YouTube channel. We have a gallon named Sarah Harris who's in part two. She was the town psychic and Cottage Grove very skeptical over and very non interested in the Sasquatch issue. But she just ended up showing up at the bar. I was doing a podcast out of in Cottage Grove, and she was the town psychic, and so i'd talk her to come up and read you know, my future or talk to me about ghost or whatever. And I invited her out to the property and immediately I was impressed with the information that she had that she shouldn't have had. And these were things that were happening, you know, within minutes of future event about to unfold, and so I was impressed by that. But she's right now, she's got like five hundred and fifty thousand views on our YouTube channel out of ron Moorehead, out of Meldrum, out of all the guys. Is this little gal that works at the dollar store, Tara Harris, the town Psychic with a five hundred and fifty thousand views. So hey, that tells me people want authenticity and they know something's up, and this gal's hitting on a lot of you know what I would call possible hidden information about how they do what they do. I don't get those kind of numbers, especially on YouTube. I just get banned from there every once in a while. Well we don't either. This is a total see that you can't predict any of this stuff. But what I'm telling you, Brandon, is that people now have turned this corner to where they just want They don't want any pre production. They want things that look beautiful if possible, you know, on mixed media. But they don't want anything but authentic conclusions right now, and they, in my opinion, the smart way to go is to lean on the something else answer, because you're gonna have to eat a lot less crow. And I don't like turkey, and I don't like chicken. I probably would like crow, And so for me, it's it's very easy to say, this is a supernatural conclusion that I've come to because I've had these impressive supernatural experiences in their company, and and I write about that in my book The Alman Lab, a Paranormal Experiment, which is, you know, a book put out by Doug Hichek of Monster Quest. He's Hangar one Publishing, and he had the mind to put QR codes in the book itself, so as you read the chapter, you can go into each page and you can scan each page with your phone and it will take you to the actual archive, video and audio experience. This is something else we found out too, is that this phenomena absolutely is a precog. It knows what you're going to do before you do it. Generally, this is kind of just like a rule of thumb is that sasquatch as you're coming, don't try to trick them, just be open about the fact that you want to do cameras or whatever. And so we you know, here we are all these years later, from two thousand and five now to twenty eighteen. I kind of know what my game plan is if I find a place like this, and now I have it. We can't put out cameras unless they start pissing us off. And so we set out recorders because cameras seem to push them back. And it's more than the IR. It's way more than the IR because you can hide a camera, you can you can do all sorts of stuff to say that you're going to you know, camouflage or turn off or use a different flear system without an irbeam. They know that you're setting up cameras and they don't like it. They seem to like audio, and so that makes the skeptic go, yeah, right, of course love audio. You can't get a damn picture of your fictional man monkey loser. And I'm like, well, I didn't write the rules, and you haven't done anything to disprove me. You just sit here and you make, you know, assertions that whatever. So we we had fourteen hundred hours worth of audio that we recorded, and you know, I was working two or three jobs at the time, and so when I would get back to the house, I would go into this garage, this giant carport next to the house, and I'd turn on the floodlights. And sometimes it'd be one in the morning, sometimes it'd be twelve in the afternoon, and me and Daryl would scrub audio, him from his parabolic, me from my task cam dro five and man, oh man, did we walk away with a data set? And I think that you know, we we we helped move and evolve the conversation about what happens auditorily, and we did that with the help of David Ellis out of the Olympic project. We did that with the help of of course Darryl helping me retrieve my own audio when I couldn't make it back to the house. And we you know, we have this thumb drives and thumb drives full of audio, but we also walked away with the video and that was usually after the fact, right like we got we got tracks bigfoot fourteen and a half fifteen inch bigfoot tracks in the gravel. And if that doesn't sound like impressive, well these pinched and pushed and vibrated down the gravel into the hard pen, including the toes. So there is there's no truck in the world. Man. I mean, I used to drive semi truck and when you drive on a gravel hard pin loop to park your truck, you do not drive graveled down into the hard pan unless you burn rubber. And then it's going to show that. But what this showed is that something was penetrating gravel rocks down into the hard pan, and it did it with the silt and the sand and the big rocks and the small rocks. And it was just right between my trailer and the truck, where the handprints were, where the sightings were, where the conversations were had, between what sounded like an elder and a small one. We you know, tons of hair were extracted and taken from different physical samples. There was a time where they leaned up against like a seven and a half foot eight foot window and blew a snot rocket that was a wild and then there was all this EVP stuff that would turn up. And so this is the problem is now you're dragged into these different paranormal investigations. You become, you know, a sasquatch researcher to a ghost adventurer. And I was happy to embrace both at once. But it did get overwhelming, and you didn't know if you should. I wanted to pay attention to all the strangeness, but you know, it would have been nice to have more people there that we trusted to say, Okay, you're the sasquatch guy over here, you're the ghost person, you're the UFO girl, and you know, there's a lot of things we would have done different. I talked to someone this past summer and they'd written a book about sasquatch encounters basically being like poltergeist. If they happened inside your home, like the stuff that happens with people out in the woods, you would basically say your house was haunted for the poltergeist. But because it happens on the woods, we call it bigfoot or sasquatch or whatever they call it. Yeah, my girlfriend came up with a term. I think she came up with a term. She's also a witness. We actually met at a big Foot conference, Aaron Jackson, and she calls them a wilder geist instead of a poltergeist, And I think that's kind of a clever way to talk about what we're looking into. I call them a land spirit. Wildergeist is a crazier sounding name. Maybe I'll start using that one. But yeah, this is how they do. What they do is that they bend the rules, right, They cheat on what we call physics. They don't have to run from point A to point B. They open up a space and erase it and bring it kind of like in a you know, if you have a dot on the edge of a paper over here, in a dot on the other side of the paper over there, and you fold the pieces together. Now it's a lot easier to get from point A to B. They seem to be doing that. Most of the witnesses told me early on sasquatch look like it was skipping through time, and it was floating, and then it disappeared running behind a tree. So it would run behind a tree, like a thin pine tree or a small rock, or it would just be a blur and disappear, pixelate out of you kind of deal. This is where the whole idea of cloaking and the predator effect happened. Now, the interesting part of it is that gosh, doctor j. L On Heineck of Project Blue Book also had a guest appearance as an extra in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Was not a proponent in the sixties. He was trying to debunk UFOs, and it turns out he became one of the greatest advocates. That's why he's in you know, Spielberg's film, Well, his son, I believe it's I don't know, I think it's Jay Heineck. He got an Academy Award for inventing this visual special effect for the movie Predator. And so it makes you wonder, like with his dinner conversations with dear old Dad about what UFOs can do, do you get to a degree where you kind of do this soft disclosure in Hollywood about what is actually happening, what the witnesses are saying. I think you do. We actually had a chance to ask him if that was the case, and he denied it. But we wanted to show him some footage done by a friend of mine, Barb Shoop, And so Barb Shoop had an iPhone touch. This was like boy over ten years ago, the you know, the iPhones were garbage and this was just like it didn't even have a cell phone on it. It was just like a camera. And so she put a walking stick mount on top like a tripod mount on top of a walking stick, and then would carry that iPod touch and film this before GoPros I guess. And she saw a black, little black blur shoot out from the woods with a group of friends in her bigfoot research area, and what she ended up recording befuddled the main scientists. Eric Bard at Skinwalker Ranch, He's in part two of our film. He looked at the footage and he goes, this makes me wonder if sasquatch is just an avatar of what they really are. And this is something that people are talking about more and more, is that you're getting what you're looking for. So you're looking for Bigfoot, Well you don't always see just bigfoot when you're out in the woods. Sometimes you see these other cryptids, or you see balls of light and those go behind trees or suddenly become sasquatch. We have two witnesses and our Harold and Cody at the end of our movie, a real brain melter. They're on their way home from work. I'm sorry, no, they're on their way to a job. Off to the left side of the road. They see a bright orange orangutang looking sasquatch drop down to kind of the fetal position and then float upward and it turns into a box of light, a yellow light brighter than the sun, and then it shoots off into the field like an or like a shaft of a ray or lightning bolt. It goes through the power lines, which I think is kind of fascinating too. But this is what also Ron Morehead describes to a degree at the Sierra Sounds. And so that's why our third film, Voices in the Wilderness, which is about the Sierra Sounds, will be coming out next year. We just got back from the Sierra Camp with one of the Johnson brothers and spent five days up at the now burned down Sierra Camp. And the real story is is that this is kind of like more than a Bigfoot tale, more than language happened up there. And you know, Ron alludes to that when he talks about this light saber that him and his wife Carrie saw when they were up there, kind of stroke, you know, gliding past the trees out there and the granite rocks. And so this happens right like I've seen this happen. I've not seen like the lightsaber, but I've seen the orbs of light explode and spark and approach you. And we've got photos of them at least on three occasions. Sometimes it's very quick. And then you have sasquatch involved with this, because when you have orb activity, you secretly are having Bigfoot activity. For the for the novice or the skeptic out there. This is what you're having is you're about ready to get your avatar. Maybe Sasquatch is an orb of light and they're giving you the avatar you know that you need. I don't know. I think they actually aren't giving you an avatar at that point. I think they're you know, coming into view into existence somehow through frequency and vibration. Like Tesla said, I've wondered myself and I've related this to people to see like these shadow people type things. Maybe what people are seeing are these beings from I'm not gonna call them ghost but maybe what people consider ghosts and everything else they're actually from this other exists. Is this other reality the bleeds in here you're calling like an avatar. And I understand that concept because without sunding, like someone says, we live in a simulation. Imagine if someone was able to. Come into our world. And I relate this to video games to some people, like if you're in a creator mode, you can you don't have a character, but you're just like a ball of energy. You can move around your whole map, you can see things that you're looking at or whatever. Maybe sometimes when we're seeing that, that's what these things actually are. But they're coming into our world and then they take a form. So sometimes they take the form of a sasquatch to take the form of a shadow for like we can't fully see them because they're not still within our own frequency. Yeah, I think that's probably a good theory to lean on. It's certainly something to test and see what evidence comes your way. You know, there's there's so much to say about this and how this may work. There's some footage in beyond Skinwalker Ranch where the CIA specialist and the other news reporter guy are out with some First Nations people doing it ceremonial drumming at night and it drops down to like thirty degrees in Utah right at night, especially this time of year, and they're all wintered out, you know, wearing their car hearts, and the guys are sitting there drumming and they have infrared focused on them as they go into ceremonial drumming. And this will go into the consequence of the altered state. And come back to your point, is that within a matter of minutes, if I remember the footage right, and people can go watch this if they want, the ambient temperature goes down. It drops, like I believe, like ten or fifteen degrees within a matter of minutes. As these guys start drumming and they think it's a glitch, so they ask them to stop drumming. Well, the temperature goes back up to normal, the same temperature around the drummers, and like go back into ceremony. Drum don't, don't, don't dum. Temperature drops. Well, what do we hear about ghosts? Temperature drop, that's the first thing we hear. But this also happens, and this way, you know, we had to have a scientist in our case, an author doctor sociologist Simi and Hein, author of Dark Matter Monsters, talk about a new theory but which is basically an old theory that ghost and everything else are basically building blocks of the Big Bang that evolve differently than us, and that they are basically like ball lightning, which is also very mysterious and a lot of it classified actually, and understanding what happens when you see something like ball lightning also has some of these consequences of the supernatural equipment, does crazy stuff, temperature drop, strange anomalies around the area, almost like a precog condition with some of the stuff, but more than often I always tell people to say, once you see the lights and proximity to Bigfoot and you deny that, then you know, I don't know how to help you anymore if you don't want to see those lights, because it upsets the fact that you're Roman Catholic and now you're hunting a you know, a Nephelim or something like that. I guess I understand that because I don't know the nature of the beast here. These things don't seem to be nefarious all out, no more so than us. There's very varied personalities to most of them, but the one common thing I found is this curiosity, a sense of humor, irony, and interest in certain individuals more than others. And they have families. And the last time I checked, I don't know of too many outright phenomena that seem to have family groups. These ones absolutely do. And it can't be established in the way that science wants it to be. But you know, it can't even be discussed by the religious philosopher. These are These are all philosophy questions, by the way. These are not scientific questions, you know, full stop. These are philosophical quests about the nature of the beast. That we're looking into and going back to what the green Man was, and going back to things like pan and the nature spirits and looking at you know, the We've just found out that one of the gals, it's actually pretty sad, Sonya Zohar, passed away. She was a lesser known researcher up here in Washington. She died last month. But a week before she died, I went out to her place and she showed me what she was working on on her laptop, and she found out that Mother Mary, Catholic, mother Mary Jesus's you know mother, by immaculate conception that Mary. There's a whole bunch of artwork, statues, stained glass, oil paintings, full statues, small statues, pictographs of what is known as the Redhead Harry Mary. And so this is a this is crazy fourteenth century proof that there is this different story about Christ's origin through a redheaded giant. And there's no way to deny these images. Like now that we have her interview up on YouTube and we talk about the Harry Mary phenomena that she was exploring with some of our other guests. Actually I'm getting image after image of people that are researching this like I found a new Harry Mary. I found a new Harry Mary, And so how would that be? How would who would ever come up with the idea of making a fully naked Harry, redheaded giant Mary? You know mother? It's crazy? Yeah, yeah, So this goes as wild as you want it to go. Like, it upsets religion, it upsets science, it upsets your wife, it upsets everything, it upsets your schedule. It's very This is the stupid thing to get involved with that I think about it, But it's also a lot of fun. And so that's what I've tried to do is manage the addictive quality of this mystery because for whatever reason, man like, I feel like I'm supposed to do this, Like it's not for obviously, for anything other than the adventure. Because this is the Bigfoot curse is if you let ego go before the fun, then you're aft. And the Bigfoot curse is that you're gonna hunt this down. Your ego is gonna take over all a lord of the rings. No one man can stand the power of the ring, which is basically these godlike powers Sasquatch seems to exhibit. This goes in other you know, phenomenas as well, including the UFOs and uh you know, the Poulter guys community as well. So this is this is something I've watched with bigfoot researchers as them slowly turn into a holes and go berserk, like you know, I've seen like really well known bigfooters openly go into tears with me, like you know, I was shocked that these are these are people that have spent their whole life doing this and they're miserable, and I don't you know, I don't push, but I have a feeling that this is probably too much to handle if you're I mean, because you're including all this data and you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Money, that's really it. Right, Money heals a lot of wounds and and accolades, and that's not enough, Like you have to love doing it. Like I was listening to the co producer of pulp Fiction talk on Joe Rogan today and he's like, man, I sold my soul and sold I sold my screenplay to Beowulf to Georgia Zamechis And he's like, I did it for a lump of cash and then all this bad luck happened to me. He's like at the first time I turned away from like true. Artistry, and. I totally get it, like you have to kind of this is a philosophical, kind of artistic endeavor of self exploration. And you can pick up cool stuff along the way, like bigfoot prints, and you know, always carry around like a DNA forendsic kit with you and a fleer and I have my go pro on looping and it records every ninety minutes, and I do all the things and the stuff, right, but I'm always like, well, who's going to make me laugh in the passenger seat, you know what I mean? Like, what kind of beer are we picking out to sit on the tailgate tonight? Well, nothing happens because generally you're just cold and wet and nothing's happening, right, Yeah. That's my biggest fear in trying to dive into this little endeavor is I don't want to film stuff for the sake of filming stuff, and I know that ninety nine point nine percent of the time you're never going to catch anything on film. So it's it's a fine line of trying to produce something that's not going to be just random people sitting out in the woods. Because I find stuff like that not very entertaining personally, right, So I'm I'm trying to do a little bit different avenue with the whole thing. But I'm also not a woodsy person. I live in Cornfield, Heavens, so there is some around here, especially around further south, but for me, it's just I've never been one interested in being out in the woods, especially when it's hot. And where are you located. I'm in Indiana, so well you're not too far from the drone issue. You could be like boots on the ground in your sedan with a pair of binos, not in the woods, getting us the shot man. Come on, be the drone guy. It's attack of the drones right now, Well the drones. This is funny. We actually had a few months ago a mass sighting of but everyone was calling a UFO. There was glowing orbs, orange orbs, and they were almost in like patterns, like there were two of them and some I think we had three of them. So I kind of like a quick little live session about it. But we see stuff like that around here all the time. I've actually seen one out back just recently, and I saw one about a year ago. It's hard to explain what it was. But just last week I had my wife come and look. We could see one and then it looked like it was just a normal airplane maybe, but then it was gone, like a normal airplane wouldn't just disappear like you would like the word of the lights, you know what I mean. The lights don't just disappear from an airplane. So I have no idea what that was. But again I don't ever try and record them anymore. Half the time they don't. You can't tell what is when you're trying to record, especially when it's that far away. But I have a video that someone sent me from the summertime. It's actually a really good piece of film. But I plan on including ad in the documentary. And that was film just here in my towne. But we get a lot of weird stuff. But we're also right by the Gristal Air Force Base, which is a deactivated base. It's not an active base. Supposedly it hasn't been active for over thirty years, but doesn't mean they still don't do some stuff out of it. Yeah, well, you know, you can't. You can't rule out certain things. And this is to the chagrin of myself is that people that lean on everything being something mysterious and awesome and weird and valuable, you know, is to the chagrin of the WU crew, the wax Shack that has kind of gotten lazy, right, But it's not all that way, Like, you know, we try not to be lazy at all with any of the research and our filming, and you know, there's a sense of responsibility of raising the bar to a degree, and you're not always going to get it right. Things are going to get debunked no matter what. And that takes sometimes that takes hours, minutes, seconds, Sometimes it takes years to debunk something and you just have to say, oh, man, I got it wrong. I know how we got that wrong now. And so that's something that if I make a claim, then I will, you know, try to talk about how I got that claim wrong, just as earnestly and openly as I did about, you know, the idea that I had some honest to goodness evidence at one point that seemed to be pointing to truth in fact, and it was just error. And so that's it's okay to make those kind of state mistakes and be wrong. But this is the you know, the fools er and the folly of generally the male ego. They just absolutely will never apologize or say they're sorry or you know, say they're wrong about something. And these are grown men, Like I get emails and messages from grown men that you just you would never believe that this is like a fifty five year old man talking this way, like a guy with a family talking this way on the on the backs of bigfoot research, Like how embarrassing. And these guys thinks they're going to get like on Joe Rogan right, Like they think that they're like somebody because they're little pool of importance. They've you know, put them sells in this little ecosystem of patting themselves on the back and that's all they know. And they think that the world revolves around that. Well, it doesn't. Nobody knows their story. The Yeah, the amount of times I've heard Bob Gimlin or Ron Moorehead's story told wrong, the names mentioned wrong by you know, supposed important people in the podcast world is ridiculous. And you know, so they definitely don't know your story. They definitely don't care. Most people want to, you know, hear the same story over and over again, unfortunately, which I think is just really bad for this this community, because if you go to these conferences, you're gonna see the same three guys show up almost all of them, and that's really bad. Right, Like, there's other conversations that are being had, but they're being had after the conference with the people in the audience that can speak way more in depth about the phenomena. These you know pioneers a Bigfoot research and their power points. A lot of them, you know, just have a blow hard personality when you meet them, and they become so stifled about their career and about their evidence that they don't allow anything in. They kind of check who you are, act like they it's just this whole thing that happens. And so this is why you got to be weary to a degree about you know, hanging onto every word from someone at a podium. I would always suggest, definitely go to conferences, but hang out in the hallway and stay after the show and go to the pub and listen to what they're saying on the smoke deck. This is where the real stories they're being told. M H. I was at I was a cryptod con a few weeks back, and I've been at a couple different whoys at the Endiam Mickfoot conference and I was boothed up next to some different researchers. But it was afterwards we kind of talked like I had a beer with a couple of guys. I'm not gonna name I'm not the type of person the name drops people. There's other people that like to do that, but that's not me. And uh, but we talked here and there. And it's weird because I know a lot of people, Oh, you see these people on TV, so everyone's like, oh, they're celebrities or whatever. I'm not trying to sound like a turd, but like the average person, if you saw some of these researchers, you don't know who they are. Like, the average person's not going to recognize a lot of unless they've seen them on a TV show. And for me, it's just like there is no aura to that because I know they're just a person. So being out there having drinks with them this and that, you see that side of them that most people don't get to see, that they're not just characters on the television. Right. Yeah, No, I totally agree. There was one guy though, and I'm not, like I said, not going the name names, but he did not seem to enjoy people that did podcast and all he did was rip and rip and rip and rip. And I don't understand that notion because I guess we're not boots to the ground out in the woods doing all that stuff, but we're still letting them have the opportunity to come on and talk about what they're actually doing. I know a guy, I know a guy that won't come on a podcast unless you read his books plural, his eighty dollars books from front to back, and you're well versed on the research in that way, full stop. And that's you know, you just can't ask that from a podcast. A that's growing and the people that are your fans, right like, these people are paying attention and they are funding your operation by sharing your stuff, and to have that kind of attitude is just you know, I just separate myself from the A holes. There's a lot of them in the world. There's a lot of them in this community. And you know, like my girlfriend, she doesn't like to go to bigfoot conference. There's maybe one or two of them, and here she has a bigfoot researcher put on expeditions, a witness, friends with a lot of well known people, blah blah blah. But she hates going to conferences because of all of these d bags out there. And I don't blame her because the stories I hear are just so crazy what these people are willing to do to sell their own soul and friendships down the river to get an edge on someone or to you know what, I mean, to needle somebody. And so bigfootsnod into that, by the way, like they like to mess with people that have this attitude in the woods. They can feel it, they maybe can even smell it. And you're hose, dude, you are totally hosed in the woods. You're never walking back with the corpse and delivering it, you know, to pokatel Idaho from Meldrum to you know, worship at your feet. It's not going to happen that way. I knew that long time ago, just based upon the fact that I felt myself, you know, starting to kind of feel the temptation of like, oh gosh, you know, now I have a little bit of a name in this community, or people recognize me, there's a paper being written. It's just like, you know, luckily, if you have really good people in your life that remind you becoming an a hole. And so for me, I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm getting a little too ahead of myself here, and activity starts slowing down for me considerably, and it just it wasn't fun anymore because I'd lost the beauty of it. It became about me and evidence and ego. And so if you can get yourself out of that way and kind of just hang out, that's what I always suggest when people, you know. The way I kind of wrap up my summation of how to elicit activity is to follow the advice of now deceased researcher Henry Franzoni, who's also in our documentary, who's a scientist on the Columbia River Gorge work with the Native Americans, and he wrote a book called The Spirit of Siatco, which talks about place names and the importance of place names on maps, old maps, paper maps. You can find them on Google maps. And those place names that are scary sounding or sound like native names or strange sounding, those have those names for a reason, like Devil's Creek or Satan's Butte or you know, Ghost Mountain or Baboon Creek. They have those names for a damn reason, and so that's how you have your experiences. You go to a place like Baboon Creek and you drive thirty minutes off of one of the main highways with a couple of buddies and keep an open mind and try not to be an ass and just sit there and wait and give it, give it a good year. Go often, you know, as you can, to the same spot and just enjoy the beauty of the woods, and you'll find out why they called it Baboon Creek. We don't have any places with those cool names for me. I'm in the cornfields. So the weirdest place we have here is something called Oki Pinok, And I've heard variations as to why it's called that, and then the truth be told, it's not even really named after what a lot of people think it's named after. It's just kind of just a made up thing. But that area has a lot of weird activity, and it's one of the hot spots that I would like to be able to go to. And it's only a few miles from here. But now they've shut it down, which makes it even more interesting. You're not allowed to be there anymore. It's on federal property. But someone was murdered back there about seven years ago, so now they don't let anyone back there. Have you ever heard of the term geomancing? You know what that means. It's a form of moving geological configurations rocks, dirt, water and trying to amplify like a tuning fork for the spirit realm or the paranormal, to coalesce for ceremony. So like stonehinge geomans. Right, these are power spots, So everyone lives next to a power spot. Now you've got to go find And those are also place names, right, and they're all over right, because whatever is happening here before the First Nations, it seemed like it was pretty wild and crazy, and it might have come from the Black Sea, for example, up through South America to North America, proof that the Vikings were here building strange monoliths and such, and even the First Nations people and so these old geomants, megalithic, petroglyphic even cemeteries or rock quarries, power lines, gosh, nuke facilities. Like if you live next to a military base, that's when you just start looking at night, especially when aircraft are getting ready to land and you just start filming aircraft landing near runways or military sites. Right now, this is where all these spheres with boxes and boxes with spheares orbs UFOs, all these things cryptids. You know, the strange thing that's happening in New Jersey right now is happening in that pretty well known forest where a lot of stuff has happened out there. The Jersey Devil is known for flirting around the New Jersey area in the forest where a lot of these sightings are happening. And I think when you get the UFO phenomena, you also get these other cryptids or harbingers or land spirits. I think it's all connected somehow. I've said this a lot, but even from interviewing people, if they've seen a bigfoot, usually if I dig a little deeper, they've probably seen a UFO or they've had some sort of paranormal activity too. It seems like the more people are open to it, the more experiences they have. Yeah, pretty much everybody has had some kind of uf or ghost thing, or they've had deja vu right, or they've had a lot they have a pre cog dream right, their mother calls on the phone, and they were just thinking everyone has something like the phone rang at the right time, and whatever, the event is some kind of weird pre cog thing. Perhaps one of the strangest is having some kind of Oh I just forgot what I was gonna say, I'm having one right now. But anyway, these kind of pre cog things that happen in our daily lives are also a way to weave the tail of accepting the supernatural, because you know, let's just call it an unknown science, right, maybe that's easier for people to deal with. Okay, fine, this is an unknown science. We're learning as we go. It hasn't ever happened before, and we don't have a rule book for it. I don't believe any of that. I think the rule book's been hidden from us. And we're dealing with magic, right, like magic with a K like this is like crazy magic. And that's that's my quest right now, is to understand why the magic is increasing, why the sightings are increasing, because they're absolutely increasing in the sky and on the ground. And you know, we live with a government that would love nothing better than us to never ask dangerous questions and censor the hell out of us and we just can't do that. We have to be the ones that are, you know, asking the hard questions with a smile on her face and never taking ourselves seriously and following up with questions and pushing yourself, you know, to be cringey a little bit like I've I've definitely stepped in front of a microphone or two and made a crowd cringe. I made myself cringe in front of microphones. But that leads you to some interesting places where you may get some really interesting answers down the road from people that heard you ask that cringey question say, hey, you know, not so cringey, like there is some meat on that turkey bone that you threw out there. So anyway, that's my two cents. I would like to keep on talking about. I know, we got a little bit of timeline here, so we can probably wrap this one up before we do. Where can everyone find the documentaries of your book and everything else about you? Well, if you want to help out our film prospects, we have a flash of Beauty three in works, which is all on the First Nation's only experience, and so currently the director and producer are on location near you interviewing some first nations people that have ongoing activity on their property trying to get the shot. But you can find our work over at YouTube A Flash of Beauty, Bigfoot Revealed. We'll bring it up. We also have a weekly podcast, A Flash of Beauty. The podcasts where we take the witnesses from the documentary or the experiencers or experts and doctors, and then our podcast each week we go deeper with them on video and see what else we can squeeze out of them. And then if you want to take a look at my book which has you know, all these cool QR codes for you to scan away and you can check that out over at Amazon under the l Moon lab a Paranormal Experiment, right, you know, leave a rate and review and that always helps. Awesome, Well, Toby, it's been a pleasure, So for anyone out there listening, make sure to check out the documentaries in his book. We're gonna say thanks to Toby and thanks for listening. We're gonna wrap this one up and that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. You would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltales dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good night, everyone. Seems on sales and the headphones. Yeah, it's turns rock. Got a story about a crypty creature. Let's take a walk big foot. Ummer. They're out there in the talk, but the truth is out there liking it as fuck. UFO Signings got the whole world. Show conspiracies on phones like a story in a book. Me console sign a kid, We're all gonna use them a line. In history. They don't want. Us to know the secrets that hide, since they will show Donnada Society. They keep us in chase, but send in Time's time to break the reins control, trying to keep us fine, but I won't. People are gonna. Use a mine. In history. They want us to know the secrets that hide since they will show Donnada Society. 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