Dr. Ball is a researcher, traveler, and explorer of ancient sites.
After a life altering NDE in 1990, Kathleen began a career as a professional artist and art professor which spanned thirty years. Prior to retirement, she discovered a Templar Cave in Brazil while exploring the back country in the Chapada National Reserves. Kathleen then set out to create her film The Brazilian Templar Mystery which is the story of her discovery of this cave hidden in a remote area on the outskirts of a small Brazilian town, Alto Paraiso. A cave carved by the Knights Templar which has provided evidence of early Templar travel to the Americas. She then published the back story of this discovery, which became a quest and involved a series of initiations by fire, water, illness, and several dark nights of the soul.
Kathleen has done extensive research into the history of the Templars and backtracked their trail through Portugal, France, Turkey, Scotland and England in a search for the true purpose of the order and what that means today. Her ongoing research trips include Malta, a return to Portugal the UK and France, Spain, Italy, Jerusalem, Ethiopia and Brazil.
Dr. Ball is committed to revealing the true agenda of the Mysterious order of knights, known as the Knights Templar.
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And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tals. I'm your host, Brandon Wright to night's episode, where me joined by my guest Kathleen. Kathleen has been investigating the night's templar down in South America if she made some interesting discoveries. Looking forward to having her on here tonight and talking a little bit about that before we bring her on. If you've ever had an experience and you'd like to be on an episode of ten foil Tals. There's a couple things you can do. You can either go to tenfoiltales dot com and go the contact section, or you can send an email to tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com. Either way it works for me. Just make sure to reach out and get a message to me and we will get some of the schedule for a future episode. If you'd like the podcast out, please share it a round. Word of mouth is one of the best ways of helping the podcast out. You can also leave a five star rating and review wherever you listen to tenfoiltales at so just make sure to click the five stars and it helps me with the rankings. If you're like me and you don't like hearing ads on the episodes, you can go over to the Patreon and become a member. Over there, you get early access all the episodes and they're all had free. There's also some exclusive content available only on Patreon. It's one dollar ninety nine cents a month, so it's worth checking out if you're interested. I do have a PO box an a phone number where you can reach out to me or e mail me some stuff that you think is weird that I might find interesting. You can find more information about that in the show notes. Make sure to following around on all the social medias. We're going to go ahead now and bring Kathleen on and dive into the conversation. So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Like this sign and welcome my guests tonight. Kathleen, thanks for coming on here and talking to me. You're very welcome. I'm excited to be here tonight. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? Oh? Sure, yeah, Well, I boy, where do I start. I had an dye in nineteen ninety that sort of precipitated all of this, everything preceded everything that I'm doing now. And I came out of that experience with just a real, I guess, almost obsessive obsession to delve into history dig in. I had already had a background in researching like Leonardo da Vinci and esoteric belief systems and spiritual belief systems and Masons, and you know, I was finding some connections, but it wasn't really I wouldn't say that it was really my priority. In nineteen ninety, after the near death, it became my priority. I had a very interesting experience, and it involved being in a dimensional reality, what anybody wants to call that beyond physical reality, where I got to see glimpses of what I believe for a possible future for us here on this planet. And I decided to then commit to that, to participate and come back, to come back out of the near death and return and complete my mission or whatever you want to call it, my path, my destiny, to sustain in anything any way that it could bring about. You know, this very beautiful future that you know, very promising future that we have available as to available to us to mankind if we make the right decisions of choices, you know, which that's debatable at this point. So you know, in our decisions and choices, you know, we we seem to have really excelled in our technological advances, but we haven't maintained a balance with our spirituality and our connection with this planet. We've really become untethered, if you might, that's probably a best word, untethered with nature and our natural process. I mean, you know, we're now we're now considering AI from consciousness into robots, which is just insane. You know. It's just from my perspective that is completely insane. We're removing ourselves from nature. In the meantime, you know, we're not doing a whole lot for our planet anyway. So our bottom line came out of the New Death experience. I started doing all this research and you know, all these years later, I ended up with a double bachelor's, double masters, and a PhD in metaphysical sciences and discovered a Knight's Templa cave in twenty fifteen. Fast forward to that, which was a complete shock. I had no intention, That was not my intention for being in Brazil. I didn't even know the Templars had been in South America at that point in time. You know, I knew it was templar presence and then in throughout Europe and England, the UK, Scotland, and possibly I knew that there was very strong evidence for their presence in North America, but I didn't know anything about their presence in South America at that time. So it was a real shock to me. When I was hiking with the girlfriend and we had a guide and he said, you want to go into this cave? After this long story that he asked us if we wanted to go into this cave and it was very, very hot that day. We'd already hiked about five kilometers and straight down the mountain and in the middle of nowhere, there's nowhere, there's nothing there in wilderness. And he asked us if we wanted to go in there and, you know, drink some water, have our snacks, and take a break before we went hiked back up the mountain. We said sure. So we approached this which you couldn't even tell it was a cave. You couldn't even tell that it was there. It was just bushes all in front of this sort of nound that looks like it looks like a small hill, and he lives up the bushes, And I mean, I was just absolutely flobergasted. And I just said to him, and I said, my god, what is a night's templar cross doing out here in the middle of Brazil. Anyway, he rattled off a bunch of stuff and broken English and Portuguese mostly, which I had later translated, and he really didn't have any idea why. I went inside at that point, and I started investigating some of the graffiti that was in there, and I became more and more convinced that it was a templar site. But I just I didn't have any information. I had no background whatsoever on this, you know, on this location, nothing, having no connection to the templars that I was aware. So this, you know, this presented an opportunity and I decided right then and there that I was going to do something to bring this to the world. You know, this was a really important history changing discovery. So when I left Brazil, nine days later, I got home, and nine days later my house burned to the ground. I had been a college sir. Yeah, in the Butte Fire, northern California in twenty fifteen, September eleventh, my house went up in flames and went about less than three minutes. It was just thirty eight hundred degrees and everything was incinerated, including all my curriculum, all my art supplies, everything that I had been using for teaching art for twenty years. So my career basically went up in flames. And shortly after that, about six and a half seven weeks after that, I had a leverageunce plant which I had been putting off and putting off and putting off, and frindly, I had developed some really serious council tumors in my liver and I needed to get this done. So I agreed to the operation, to the surgery, had the liver transplant in November fifth, and when I came out of that experience, I needed to make some decisions about what I was going to do with the rest of my life. So you know, I decided to just take a year, and the college was after me when I'm I'm going to return while this. They wanted an answer, and I just couldn't give them one until I really was sure about the direction I was heading. So one of the reasons that I had been hesitant about getting this liver transplant was because I don't handle medication as well. And when you take when you have a transplant organ transplant, typically you required I take anti rejection medications, immunosuppression for the rest of your life, and they caused other damage in the body. With me, within about three to four years, I lost almost one hundred percent of my hearing. So now I wear a cook lear implant just to be able to hear. And so you know, by the end of the year, I'd already lost so much hearing caused my nerve damage from these immune suppressions, and I had to tell the college I wasn't going to be able to come back. I had to take a disability lead from work because I couldn't hear good enough to even interact with my students. So then it was okay, so what am I going to do with this discovery. I've got to do something with this discovery. So I decided to go back in twenty seventeen into Brazil and see if I could rediscover the cave and film it. So I talked to some friends over there that I had met, and they introduced me to a videographer, Trajano Bayva, and he he had had you know, he had done some work for Jacques Cristo, so I was pretty sure, you know, it was going to be a pretty decent photographer. Anyway, we got over there in twenty seventeen, it was a huge fire right surrounding the whole area where the cave was, and I was then able to get in to you know, it was impossible the cave. The fire raged on for about two weeks, and you know, I had to finally leave to come back. So that was that was a disappointment and step back. But in twenty eighteen I persevered and you know, Tejano and I decided. We agreed that we would meet in July of twenty eighteen, and sure enough, after several days of trying to rediscover this cave because all my landmarks, everything had been destroyed right by the fire of the year before everything. I mean, I basically rediscovered it by intuition, but I did rediscover it. It was filmed right after that. I came home two thousand. The end of twenty eighteen, we started creating the film, putting footage together to create the documentary The Brazilian Templar's Mystery, which has been out on Gaya now for about four years, and it's just now actually we shopped it with film Hub and it's now going to be coming out on Amazon Prime and possibly some other networks too. So anyway, so that you know that just developed, that happened. One thing led to another and I was introduced to some people that you know, we're efficient in film documentary. We won like sixty five awards for the film, so I accomplished that, and that led me to from Brazil to Portugal because I wanted to find it out where the Templers came from, what year the cave was dug out why they were there? Why were they in the middle. I mean we're talking in the middle of nowhere in Brazil, it's like twenty five hundred to three thousand kilometers from the coast, So why were they? How did they get there? I had all these questions, and so I went to Portugal. I inter read first, I interviewed across Templar cross expert who basically, you know, he told me that the cross was definitely Templar related cross above the cave, and I didn't have good footage of the graffiti inside the cave until two thy nineteen because there were spiders and bats in there. At one point in twenty eighteen, I tried to go in to really, you know, photograph these these symbols, and I was I looked down and I've got I've got spiders all over coming out my boots, and so I had to get out of there. And we decided that we were going to come back and try it again later, which we did, and I was able to finally get in there and get some good footage of that. And you're braver than I am. Yeah, later in the yeah, later on. But so Portugal has been a wealth of information. I mean, just absolutely a wealth of information. I did discover that the Templars definitely came from Portugal into Brazil, and everything that we've put together, I've worked with fellow other researchers on this, everything we put together, it appears it looks like the cave was dug out sometime in the twelfth to early fourteenth century, talking about before thirteen oh seven when they were rounded up by Philip the Fair in France. And I later found out, of course, in twenty nineteen also that the cave was a gold mine. Is a gold mine. There's no gold in it now, it's been completely mined, but it had been mined by the Templars for many, many years. And that, interestingly enough, helped to explain why the king in Portugal at the time of the Templar's demise and the rest of Europe was still had plenty of money. He was building all sorts of things were happening in Portugal. They were sailing all over they had a full naval fleet, you know, I mean, they had money. All the rest of the monarchs in Europe were broke because of the Crusades. Their coffers were completely drained, but not King Denis in Portugal, so that helped to shed some light on that whole thing. And since then I've also discovered that they were very likely also in Peru bringing back silver, so here they are probably bringing silver, and I know they were bringing back gold back and forth. And I recently in March of this year, went back to Portugal again as from my fourth trip, and I found the actual port where they left from with the help of a fellow researcher. Over there, I was able to discover two commanderies and a possible school, a nautical school there in Paniche on the coast of Portugal, and it's just phenomenal. There was a small church in the adjacent town in Poniche also that within the the interior of that church were the exact same crosses that I had discovered inside the cave. The graffiti was exactly the same, and that church was built by the Templars between eleven and forty or excuse me, ten forty and ten ninety, so you know, I was really am really starting to get somewhere in terms of possible dating. Also, I photographed all of the graffiti in Dome, France, where they were held until thirteen ten and also in Chinong, France from thirteen ten to thirteen fourteen when they eventually burned the state, they were brought into Paris and burned. And yeah, I find the same crosses in both Dome and Chinong where the templars were held. So what I've established so far is at any time between ten forty or ten ninety, I would probably say say anytime between ten ninety and thirteen fifty, the templars were over there mining goal back and forth. And that had a piece of property there that I discovered that was just below the cave in a little town called Moino, and it looks like they had they had some type of sluice box set up which looked like very much a sluice box that we would you know, use for mining goal set up alongside the hillside just below the cave. There was also a millwheel that I found one. I found one actually in Tomar in the castle the Convent de Cristo, and I also found another one in CenTra in the museum that were almost identical to the one that was there on this property. So yeah, so I'm really starting to put some facts together and some evidence together, and you know, and then this latest piece was how the Templars got there was they hooked up with the Amazonian tribes because apparently they had some similar ritualistic initiation processes that they both understood and both knew. This also happened in North America, according to Timothy Hogan, who's the crown Master for the Templars, and I've can We've talked about this atlantic and I you know, that's why they got along with the Native Americans very well here in the North America as well as because they had many of the same beliefs and their core beliefs and their initiation processes. You can find Templar crosses throughout North America on Native American pottery stars and I'm still looking for that. Evidence in Brazilia haven't discovered at this point. But the Native Americans there, the Amazonian tribes there are that do come in to Alta Bariso, which is right where the cave is. Just Ry I discovered this cave and they have been coming in to all the Bartiso from the Amazon jungle, migrating for their spiritual risk rituals in Alta Pariso every year, and they have for hundreds and hundreds of years. So when I went in to interview them in the Amazon Jungle in twenty twenty one. They do have stories of intermingling with white men and white robes and you know, not that specific tribe, but there's you know, talk of this. They don't keep records like we do. It's all oral transmission from generation generation, so but they do have an understanding that there was interaction with some type of people that came in from the coast. So anyway, so that's you know, I've pretty much answered all my questions at this point. I'm just continuing to look for more evidence and then my reason. I also discovered that there's more caves that have temper markings in them very well, maybe additional gold mines as well. So I'm going to be going back to Brazil in February, just next February, and see what else I can find over there. It's interesting to me that the timeframe of that that they were already over on this continent before it was quote unquote discovered by Columbus. So oh yeah, that's a. There's some interesting stories that are coming out about Columbus now too, which I don't awhere, but Columbus has recently been as DNA has been recently done in and they have discovered that he was not indeed Italian or Spanish. He was Portuguese. And I happened to interview one of his descendants and when I was there in March, and I got a very interesting story which will be coming out in a documentary next year. I'm going to be producing that film with all her genealogy and footage and the explanations behind that. But Pistopher Columbus, his name was not even Pristopher Columbus, so he was of a completely different family. And there's a whole lot of I have a great deal of evidence that I'll be bringing out to the world in the form of a documentary very soon about that. So I'll about to have to look for that one when it comes out. Now, when it comes to the Templars, they originated more for the Middle East, wasn't it. Well, they they were in the Holyland, Yes they were, and they were there for nine years before they were active in the Crusades, and they went right straight to the Temple mountain, to the stables. And here we had these men were from affluent families, and you know, it's it was always it kind of struck me odd that they went to the stables to set up camp and you know, instead of going to the castle and staying, you know, with the king there. It really made no sense to me until I realized that I made a connection with the Nine Nights, some of the names of the Nine Knights, with an order of knights that were created during the time of Zara Rubable, who organized this order of knights to protect the builders of the Second Temple. Now, if that is correct, then it's very possible that these same families passed down this information of you know, where the temple noun was. They would have known exactly where it was, what was underneath it, and you know, because they began excavating immediately. They were down there underneath the stables and excavating, and we still nobody really knows what they found. But talking with Timothy Hogan again, he's a wealth of information. He's been a great resource help with me assistants. They also discovered osuaries of Jesus, Mary Magdalen, their children, John the Baptist, and one of John or one of Jesus' brothers, and his mother. So they were doing a great deal of excavating while they were in the Holy Land long before they ever got involved heavily with the Cusades or protecting pill rooms, which I don't really see any evidence for them having protected pilgrims. They later developed a banking system to keep people from being robbed by giving them a note that they would take into Jerusalem give to their templar brothers, and while the money was held in France typically or Portrabal or wherever their you know, the departure place of origin where they departed from, and then this note was given to them and which they gave to the templars in Jerusalem, so that minimized, you know, some of the theft and robbery and things that were going on. But you have to also remember that Templars were not the only ordered knights there at that point in time. They had the Hospitalers, there were numerous other orders of knights that were in the area fighting the Crusades. So the Templars didn't really get active for quite a long time. So what were they doing, you know? And according to timothga and they were excavating, and they now have possession of six of the ten arcs of the Covenant and numerous documents that date way way back, you know, just all sorts of information. And I haven't personally gotten to see this stuff yet, and I'm hoping that at one point I will be able to see it with my own eyes. But I do know that the Templars originated in Greece. From my research. They originally banded together in Greece. They were looking for esoteric information knowledge with their original intent. In fact, I believe it's still their intent is and was, do you bring about an age of enlightenment and a world of peace and harmony and quality amongst all people, religious tolerance, et cetera. And they did accomplish this in Portugal, actually created a nation it's now according to Freddi Silva, a Templar nation, which I believe it was where they had they brought in the Cathars when they conquered when they originally conquered the Iberian Pensul before it was ever even Portugal. They conquered the Moors, they conquered Islam, and there were also Lusitanian indigenous people there. And once they conquered these people, they invited into stay. They gave them lands, and they gave them means to make you make a living, to be able to survive and then they leader when the Catholic Church decided that you know, the Jews were heretics, the Cathars were heretics, the Druids were heretics, the Celts were heretics. They brought them all into Portugal. Many people don't know that there were thousands of Cathars that survived Monsignor. They were brought into Portugal and they were given land, and they were given the means to build their resistance and building castles, building buildings. They were even farm lands. And I've discovered path our crosses in numerous places on churches, the backs of churches, and the ruins of castles all throughout Portugal. So this is what they were doing, and this is what they began in ten forty, which they eventually traveled into Constantinople, which was the spiritual hub at debt time in history. That's where everybody was, the Soupies, the Seekhs, the you know Hindu's, the Gnostic Christians, all the Gnostic Christians. There were numerous sects of Christian belief. They were not canonized. They were pride. Well, actually they were canonized by constant Time in three hundred and something eighty thought These were the remains of the Gnostic beliefs. The people that had these Gnostic beliefs, they they settled in Constantinople because these beliefs were not Christian per se. What Jesus was preaching and what John the Baptist was preaching was not called Christianity. It wasn't even called Christianity, so you know, and I found evidence in darren Couu, up in the Cappadocia area in Turkey, where there was up to twenty thousand people that were living undergrown They had numerous little chapels throughout these these you know, this area by they were all separate. They're all different, their narratives were different, their crosses were different. They all lived apparently in harmony together. But these were people that were fleeing Holyland after the Crucifixion. And these people, you know, they remained in it's now Turkey, but in that area, Anatoia area, and you know, and then during the tenth century, all the way up to the twelfth or thirteenth century, Constantinople was this huge spiritual hub, not just of spiritual belief systems but also education. You know, they had universities and it was just a It was a real intellectual hub. And the Templars went there and they gathered information from the Drus, they gathered information from the Sufis, from the Sikhs, Hindu beliefs, and they brought all this back into Portugal and by you know, by the early eleven hundreds before they went and now you know, they were in the Holy Land and they established the country of Portugal. Their idea, what they wanted to do, what their intention was, was to bring this information back into Europe and bring about and you know, a time of enlightenment. And they had hoped to be able to disperse this knowledge throughout Europe. And you know, at the same time we have the Cistercians, you know, Bernard des Clara, who assisted in the development and the establishment of the Templars in eleven nineteen, and he was trying to you know, he was trying to overturn the corruption in the Catholic Church. So you know, we had what appeared, what appeared to me at that time, we had an attempt at trying to sort of undermine the power of the Catholic Church, at least in Portugal. They did it, They did it, they accomplished it. All the way up into the fifteen hundreds when the Inquisition finally made its way into Portugal. But it was the last country in all of Europe that the Inquisition managed to get their hooks in, you know, And and they began their reign of terror, you know, but the Templars kept that, they kept that country alive and well, and you know, they had a tremendous diversity, and I mean it was almost I look at it as a prototype for what later became the United States of America, which was also inspired by Templar principles, so that I you know, I really believed that they had hoped to bring that same idea and spread it through Europe. And when it was looking like things were not going to happen in that way, I think at that point they headed to South America, no North America. They were looking in other areas for lands that they could eventually, you know, bring about that dream, that ideal, and you know, and it was eventually accomplished in the United States. So now, well, the stuff in Brazil you said they were mining for gold, you believe do you think that they were also bringing over some of the artifacts and relics that they had seized at one point. Well, you know, I've had a lot of people think they've told me that they think I'm going to find temporary treasure over there. I don't know. If that happens, great, I mean, I'll turn it over to the templars, but I want to photograph it first. I want to be able to get photographs of everything, you know, And that is a possibility. I mean, it makes sense that they would disperse whatever they did discover in the Holy Land into numerous locations just for safety purposes, you know. And according to Timothy Hogan, they have already uncovered several of these locations. I mean, it's highly possible. I don't know. I would love to, I mean, I would love to be able to come upon that type of discovery. It would be awesome, it would be amazing. But you know, but I don't know. I never know what the future's got in store. All I know is the story just keeps unfolding for me, you know, day after day, year after year, and I keep following it. My second documentary is going to be coming out, hopefully before the end of the year. We're almost done. We're at the final editing stages with episode two so we'll have some more information. And we've already filmed episode three and four, so we'll have some more information for everyone the end of this year and all through next year. Next year will be a really good year for bringing this information to the public. M How when you're doing your doc entries and everything, because I think that was originally contacted back in August or September, and I'm pretty sure they said you were overseas were you filming now? For the documentary, I filmed. The first documentary in Brazil and Portugal both, and the second documentary takes place primarily in Brazil. I do have some scenes from Portugal in there. I'm also going to be taking people through the ayahuasca process that I went through. Now, I mentioned that I had a liver transplant and I was on immuni suppression and they were causing a great deal of damage to my body. Well, when I went into the Amazon jungle, I had a very interesting spiritual experience with the chief and the people there, and I was invited into a ceremony. And ever since that date, which was in July twenty twenty one, I have not had to take inn of rejection meds. Ever since then, So I'll be talking about that also in the second documentaries, which will be hopefully at the end of this year. For anyone listening and knows kind of how I feel, I don't really I don't enjoy the modern medicine literally pushes all these different types of metic pills on people. So I think there's natural ways to go about things, but I don't know, not a doctor. Well, we were much healthier as a species, you know, up until modern medicine. We've just you know, we've really done a great deal of destruction with our bodies out of fear fear induced you know, western medicine, and we really need to we really need to depart from that and get back into more nature are sourced remedies, because otherwise we're going to push ourselves right to the door of AI, will be so physically incapacitated that we'll be asking for AI. And I think it's kind of I think it's already kind of turned in that way. Yeah, that's where we're heading. That's where we're heading, and I don't want to participate in that. And there's a lot of people that a whole lot of people that agree with me are finding other modalities. As a matter of fact, I just went to a meditation. This was what was it. I can't remember how they entitled it. It's light using light source meditation. And I used it for a shoulder injury that I've gotten in Portugal and it worked. I'm not feeling this. I was thinking I was going to have to go into and go into the doctors for that. I haven't been to the doctors in over two years. I try to avoid I try to avoid doctors. But anyway, and it worked, it worked. It solved my problem with my shoulders. So there's there are modalities out there. There's several modalities out there and that are being developed every day that we don't hear about because they're kept under the rug. You know, our news stations don't cover these things, and unfortunately we have to discover them on our own. We have to be take responsibility, that's the big word. Take full responsibility for our existence. We can't depend on our government, we can't depend on our medical we can't depend on education, we can't depend on anyone else. We can't give our power away to anybody else besides ourselves. To take responsibility for our existence and our health. So that's my personal belief anyway, and it's worked for me. I agree. There was one thing I wanted to ask earlier, and I don't know if you touch base on it, but this was actually relating to and you said your house had caught on fire, did they determine what caused it? The NDE. Was that the question what caused the fire to your house? Oh, the fire, the fire inue that was caused by negligence from a from a utilities company here in California that was also responsible for five other fires. Then there was also a tremendous amount of damage. There was sixty five deaths in one of the fires, okay, and they were also responsible. The same utilities company was also responsible for the big fire, and they tried to cover it up. They tried to blame it on a man who's actually there trying to put it out, and he got They got caught, and they in court and they had to admit that they lied and that they were you know, they were actually responsible for not maintaining and repairing certain lines that had fallen into into a tree branch buried in some dead you know brush below and anyway, and then you know, apparently they're representative that was there, and the fire department called him and asked if he needed help with the fire. He said no, and so the fire spread and the neighbor came in and tried to help with the whole thing, and they tried to blame it on him, which was just unconscionable. But anyway, it's all. It was all overturned in a court of law. They did. Finally they had two witnesses that saw the whole thing, so it was uncovered and many of these people did receive compensation. During you know, for the Baug fire, there was that it built, It burnt sometimes ninety thousand acres. I mean, it was just it was just unbelievable. It went through amateur cannon all the way up into Calaveras County and clear up into big trees. I mean it was. It was a really, really, very very hot fire. When I talked to the battalion boss, Cowfire helped me go in and get my goldfish out of the pond. Five days after the fire, he said it was the hottest fire he'd ever worked in his life. It was thirty eight hundred degrees and it melted, well, it didn't just melt, it vaporized. I was an artist, was I was a figurative sculptor, and I used bronze with you know, play and then the lost wax and poor bronze. And I had like twenty seven bronzes in my house and all but one vaporized. They didn't melt, they didn't There was no bronze slag, there was no metal pieces, nothing remaining. They literally vaporized, turned right back into the elements. The only bronze, which I thought was kind of interesting, The only one that survived was a bus that I had done a Willie Nelson. That is a hot fire, because that's almost three times the normal temperature of what about average fire would be, right, And. It was taking hundred degrees hotter than the melting point of bronze. Right, some over here thinking was like, what would have made it so hot? That's strange, Well it was. It became a firestorm and it was pulling oxygen as it was moving. It was burning the oxygen that was ahead of it, and it was just in like this tornado. When we saw the fire coming over our ridge. There was this ridge that had a whole bunch of trees. I lived down in the middle of nowhere. In five acres, I've always pretty much lived out in the middle of nowhere. But anyway, when we walked outside, because our nephews showed up, thank god, be the scalfire didn't even know that it had come that far too. They didn't even know that whole leg of the fire had come our direction. They didn't even know about it. Anyway, when we walked outside, the fire was I mean, I couldn't believe it. It looked like it was about one hundred feet above the trees. I mean, it was just this massive wall of fire tornado that was coming towards us, and I mean we went into immediate panic mode. We had fifteen minutes to get out of there, and we barely got out of there with our lives and our cats. And that was it was unbelievable. That's that's one thing that scares me. We actually had a fire just down the road a few weeks back, and there was a massive fire building it caught on fire, and then strangely enough, a couple of miles down the same road on the other end, the field caught on fire all on the same night. So it was just weird that this place, but it was down wind, so where the field caught on fire, the wind was blowing the opposite direction. So I don't know what to cause the field to catch on fire, but very weird timing of the whole situation. But that's the one thing that worries me is them surrounded by fields. So if they were to ever catch on fire, is going to come one way or the other's going to come my direction? Right? Yeah, Well, you know, California's been a tinderbox. It was there. I mean, we've been having unicorse the last few years, but prior to that, we went for about seven years with very little rain. You know, most of our likes, our water sanctuaries were you know, we're drying up. I mean you could see they were. They were like two three hundred feet below the normal level everywhere in California. So all the trees were just like natch sticks. It was. It was just primed for a fire, you know, just it was perfect, perfect conditions for a fire to become a racing through and it went through Lake County. I had a girlfriend who lived in we'dn't know each other since grade school, and she was in Lake County. She had to evacuate twice from the two fires that were in Lake County. One of it was also the same caused by the same utilities company. And then she moved up into a bit of the Paradise area, and she moved to Grant's Pass, Oregon, and she had to evacuate from a fire there or just chased her. And then she moved into mcgallia, which was right next to Paradise. When that fire she had just moved in, they just moved everything into the garage, all their belongings, everything, all the building stuff to remodel that. Everything was in that garage. They just moved it in and that night at three am, they had to evacuate and they lost everything. I mean, the fire just took out everything, and they had a heck of a time getting out because there were people that were on fire as they were leaving. I mean, they witnessed some really really traumatic stuff. That was probably the worst of these California fires was that Paradise fire. At least I'll knock on wood those like so at least where I live, we don't really have those. Like I live in Indiana, so there's never been like mass fired. But like I've seen stuff on the news about there's always yeah, forest fires in California are up in uh I think it's like a Wyoming had some recently and just crazy to think about how much of the land's being burnt like last year, and a whole bunch of Canada's around fire. Right well in Brazil. It's interesting in Brazil is you have many of the indigenous people that had later become ranchers and they have cattle ranches all throughout. Brazil is a beautiful country and there's just a tremendous amount of land. Very little of the land in Brazil has been modernized where you see businesses and things like that. Mostly these little tounds that dot along the highways with maybe one hundred miles some fifty miles in between. I mean, they're just it's just a tremendously beautiful country of open land. Beautiful. So, but what these farmers do they have you know, for generation after generation come through their oral traditions. They still believe in this, you know, burning. They burned the properties, rash and burn to fertilize. It fertilizes the soil, it's one of the things it does. And they also get rid of a lot of brush that way, unnecessary brush. Well, some of these fires, though, get out of hand, and that's what happened in twenty seventeen when I was there to try to get back into the cave again, was that this fire that they had started had gotten out of control and it was just burning, just out of control all over. I don't even know how many acres had burned, but it was a lot of lamp. I've never left the country, but I've always wanted to, and Brazil looks like well of the place I'd like to go, but I also want to go over to Europe too, maybe someday. Well Brazil. Brazil is a little bit like like the wild wild West, and you know a little bit. It's it's not quite that, not quite the same, but it's pretty darn close. You still have your caballeros that you see them all over in all the little towns and little areas, and all the bodies that there up and down the street, you know, especially on the weekends. You know, the cowboys they call them cabarieo. You know, they come into town to get a beer or whatever they're going to do, and they're riding their horses. They don't have cars. They there's you know, thousands of people in Brazil they don't have vehicles, they have horses. They still ride horses, and there's a lot of rodeos and there's lots of that kind of celebration, you know, the cattle ranching way of life. It's still very it's very much live and well over there. So you know, it's it's it's got a certain term though, because it's it's it's got this. You have indigenous cultures there that are live and well, you've got these you know this ancient No it's not ancient, but it's older culture of cattle ranching and farming, and they're still very, very very connected to the land over there, and it's it's very appealing. All the Badiso, which is interesting, is a small town all the bodies, so means high paradise, which I also found very interesting that that was the name of the actual area where the Templar cave that I discovered is, and just below it is Moina and San George. Saint George was of course, you know that the story of Saint George is very met related to the Templar narrative. Anyway, in alt Barizo Mono Sant George and Cavocanche, those areas that are right around the cave, ironically are made up of people from all over the world, very similar to what the Templars had created in Portugal. And you know, I find it just fascinating because you walk down the street and I stay in Alta Barisa. When I go there, you walk down the street in Alta Barisa and you meet ten people in They're from ten different countries. You know. It's it's it's typical to sit down at communal dinner one of the little restaurants there and you're speaking to someone from Germany, someone from India, someone from Russia, someone from France, someone from the US. People from all over the world come there and co exist right successfully. Maybe that's something we can all learn one day, the coexist, you know, I be beneficial. Pardon so I think it'd be beneficial if we all learn to coexist. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's uh, you know, I wonder if if somehow, you know, the Templars may have done some type of initiation process there that just draws these people in, because people, if you ask them, why are you here, why did you come? Why did you settle in all the bodies, and they all tell you it's just I came here once and and I can't leave, or it just drew me. I mean, people say the same things over and over and over when it doesn't matter where they're from. There is something special, there's a feeling there, there's something there that is it's magical. I really don't know what else to call it, because it's it's very magical. We can probably get close to wrapping this one up. Before we do, I would like for you to let the audience know where they can find your documentary and your book and everything else. Well yeah, okay, Well I have a website and it's www dot templars in Brazil dot com, and you can go there for updates, you know, and anything on the films that are coming out currently. Like I said, the first documentary is just recently been licensed by Amazon Prime, so that'll be coming out on Amazon Prime. I don't our any day as soon as they get it into their queue, and all the information will be on my website. You can find anything you need to know where I'm going to be speaking. I'm going to be at Conscious Life expir in February. I also go to several Masonic lodges and speak all around North America. At this point it's just North America. I also speak in London, several parts in England and Portugal around the world, but you can find all that information on the website. I have a tour that's coming up on October twenty twenty five with Hamilton White from The Lost Relics, and he and I have put together a really phenomenal tour, a grail Quest that's going We're offering next October, October twenty five, and so you can sign up for that. And my book is a grail Quest and Discovery of a Mysterious Night's Temple Cave in Brazil, and you can get that on Amazon. Also, you know, if you want to he and me the messenger. My Facebook page is Temps in Brazil, so the Templars in Brazil. Also, my other Facebook page is Kathleen and Ball and you can message me and I will send you an autograph copy of the book. So there's there's a number of ways. I'm on TikTok right now. I'm doing the grail Quest, a series of levels of how you enter onto a grail Quest of your own. What are the steps. What are the stages? How to work through certain blocks, there's you know, all those things that come along as you're moving through your grail quest. So I'm doing that on TikTok right now, or up to level eight at a level nine. Excuse me. I just completed level nine of that and on Instagram templars in Brazil, and I think that's about it. You're a lot more active on social media than I am. I don't even try and mess with TikTok or any of that stuff. I have one, create a one because everyone said I had to have one, but I don't. I don't mess with it. I don't know how to use it. I don't know anything about it. Oh TikTok Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty easy. It's actually pretty easy. I don't I don't subscribe to a lot of the other pages. There's a lot of political stuff on there right now, and unfortunately, but there's some good people. You know. There's Gal Dana. I'm trying to think what her last name is, but she's talking about plasma. There's a couple of really good researchers on TikTok oh. I also have a YouTube page. I forgot about that. And I have several YouTube episodes on YouTube. I think we're up to the fifth or sixth one now, so you can go on now and the Grail quest on YouTube, so there's there's that too. I will make sure to link your website and other information in the show notes for anyone listening. Okay, great, it would be awesome. Yeah, if you send me a link to the show, I can also put it on all my social media so. Okay, yeah, I can do that once I get it all edited and figured out when it's going to come out. Okay, that sounds wonderful. Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you. Yeah, I've really enjoyed it. Thank you so much. Thank you. You have a good night, you too, Bye goo bye. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night everyone, See on sounds in the headsaws, Yeah it sounds rock. Got a story about a cryptic creature. Let's take a walk, big foot talk. Then they're out there in the dark. But the truth is out there likingly it spark ufo sightings got the whole. World shook, conspiracies and folds like a story in a book. Me control trying to keep us by. We're all gonna use the whole mind. In mytory. They don't want us to know the secrets they hide since they won't show so they know society. They keep us in chase. 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