Ep. 174: The Erie Clacker

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned. Me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle noose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact with this thing. And don't like death. Welcome back to Stanfoil tells Today we're going to be joined by Todd and Nate. Local Indiana residents here that are joining me live in the studio. They've had some weird activity rounds some properties. They wanted to come in here today and talk with us. So, guys, thanks for coming here and talking with me. Yeah, thanks for having us. Nice to be here. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Well, we, as mentioned, live here in Miami County. We moved to where we're currently at in twenty eighteen, and since we've been there, we've had different odd things happen. Some of it's Bigfoot related, some of it's other things that have happened out there. But the story of the Bigfoot aspect of it, I guess, starts much earlier than that. My wife's brother, the home in which we live belonged to my in laws, and my wife's brother claims to have witnessed and seen a bigfoot in the woods there at their at their property when he was when he was young, and I would have guess that would have been in the late seventies, So that's kind of the beginning of that. And over the years we've kind of joked about it and hooked fun at it and whatever. But I mean, I've always personally been kind of fascinated with you with the big foot, bluckness monster, all those types of things. It's just been something in one of my book reports as a kid in the fifth grade was about the luck and as monster. I've always been interested in it, but until we moved out there, we never give it a serious thought. But then things started to happen that that were very strange. And I've always been a skeptic of this stuff up until last year. I still am, and I've had my own experiences. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna give you an example. Something very strange had happened right after we moved out there, got moved in, walked into the living room area and found a small pile of little pebbles piled on the floor, just around two or three inches across, maybe an inch or two high. Of these small, little round pebbles piled up on the carpeting in the living room. No idea why or how in the world that would have gotten there. And then a week or so later, the same thing occurred behind the dining room table in the dining room, and I mean, I could think of no logical explanation for this. So I did a little bit of research looking online, trying to say, is there any stories out there anything related to little piles of pebbles being found in a house? And the only thing I come up with was onearticular spot, And I've gone back and tried to find it again, but they haven't been able to find it since. But they they talked about that related to Indian folklore, right that Indians that was a sign of protection from Indian tribes. That's something of that nature. And I but that's the only thing I've ever found related to little piles of pebbles being found inside a home. And it was just very odd, I mean, not unexplainable. So they're actually inside your house. They were inside the house. That happened two different times. That is very weird. One in the living room and one in the dining room. I've heard people fight it them like out on like logs or out in the woods or on your property or whatever. I've never heard of anyone actually find them in their house before, So that's a different one for me. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think what you're talking about is like big stones kind of stacked. Yeah, they've had little ones too that have been stacked, but. Well, this was just like a little heap of of like almost but all the rocks seem to be the same color, almost a whitish colored. Little tiny pebbles just piled like if you poured it, you know, poured a pile of something on the floor there, about two or three inches wide, maybe an inch or so high, you know, just poured there, Like it was poured there and no way, what would do that? Right, that's weird. I don't know. I don't want to turn it into stuff that it goes on here, but like, we've had weird things happen here, but nothing like that. So we've we've found random teeth in the house before. Oh no, right, you start checking your own mouth on that. I guess, yeah, I'll tell you guys of all about the air off air, But. Well, what other things have happened? Nate? So in that same woods where we had a lot of the stuff we're going to bring up here in a minute, happened maybe two thousand and nine ish. My brother and I were maybe ten, I was probably ten, nine to ten. What happened? I've been listening to different episodes of yours and you've mentioned that a white wolf is part of folklore around here. Is at Okay because. The white wolf of the walbash. So when my brother and I were kids, we went down into the woods where our campsite'es at. We've got a campsite down in the woods, and we saw a white wolf on the hill that looks over the campsite across the creek and It didn't look paranormal in any way, but it was just weird. And my little brother pointed it out and he pointed to it, and I looked up and saw it and it was just standing there watching us. And then once I looked at it, it looked at me, and then it turned around and meandered toward the field. Well, it's funny because we don't have wolves here. What I'm going. Yeah, they say we don't have wolves, but not supposed to do. They also we don't have big cats. And I've seen a guy I used to work with had a like a puma on his trail care. Oh man, wow, yeah, it look like a normal mountain lion or whatever it would be. But they claim we don't have those here. I didn't hear it. But you want to bring up a cow bell? Oh yeah, that's another odd oddity. And I've heard it multiple times when outside working in the yard in our wood and then it's not that far away from me. It's like it's down in our woods. I would hear a cow bell just ding dong dong, and that would be it, and I wo, I would worry is that coming from It's not I can tell by hearing it. It's not that far away, right, and I would go down in the woods and look nothing around. I'm like, what would cause this? And that's happened two or three different times over the years. First noticed it, I guess right, I say about in twenty eighteen we first moved out there. I'd be outside working doing something and then plunk, clung klung. You know, just dum dung, don't you know the cowbow sound like it's playing around a cow's neck, and then nothing and no, very strange. This whole area has a lot of weird activity. I think, yeah, like if anyone's familiar, and I don't want to beat the horse death that's already dead at this point. But if you go around this area, it's all used to be tribal lands. We had the Shawnee around a further north. We had the Pottawatamie, you had the Miami Indians, you had Laware on the south side of the Walbash River, and then you had other little tribes here and there, and none of all of them got along. So you have hundreds of years of inter fighting between the tribes. Plus in eighteen twelve the Army Games, they're gonna started putting them on the trail of tears and forcing them to leave or killing them all. So all this area has had a lot of bad history when it comes to Native American stuff. So is the area quote unquote cursed or a lot of supernatural elements going on? Like, I have no idea. Yeah, we have found arrowheads in right there along our property, right, so there was age in the area. But yeah, so this whole area that all used to be a little Indiana. It's got the name from all the tribes used to be here. Yeah, Okay, so we started to have weird stuff that we were finding. In twenty twenty three, we did like a short little camping trip in the exact same spot where my brother and I saw that white wolf. So my dad and I were walking the creek bed and we found footprints like two or three. Yeah, very faint footprints. We have one that we brought along a picture of that that was taken at the time. Yeah, most of them were very faint, you know, but they looked like washed out footprints, quite large footprints, you know, not nothing that you could tell. The one that we have the picture of, you can tell you can see toes on that but most of the others were just more of a washed out because the creek was dry, and I just happened to be walking down through it removing brush from it, because you know, all that stuff washes down through there and it kind of plugs it up. So I go down and try to clean it out every so often. So I took Nathan with me. I said, look at this, and I marked with three different spots, right, found stuff And we looked at him and he says, yeah, kind of looks like a foot print to me. Right, did you think of what was your first initial thought when you saw footprint? Well, I mean the size of it wasn't I mean, if it was a human footprint, it would have had to have washed out to a bigger size, because it was it was bigger than you know, my feet or so I don't. I mean, of course, like I said, we've been teasing around about the idea of Bigfoot for ever, so anytime anything like that pops up, you think, ah, bigfoot, you know, and then we laugh about it. Yeah, And at this time I was still fully bigfoot is bull crap camp so I thought he made the footprint. At this point in twenty twenty three. That's the typical reaction to most people. Though we kind of said that before, like, it doesn't matter what type of evidence you present somebody, if they are automatically a skeptic, it's automatically going to be you made it up. Yep. Then we found a where I found when I was mushroom hunting back in the same woods, a tree that was snapped off and it was at a ninety degree angle. I mean it was a it was a direct break sideways found it back heading back into an area where I used to mushroom hunt. I took a picture of that as well. Started taking pictures of things before. We never I mean a lot of the clacking and things we don't have total records of. There's more. They're more numerous than what we have on our sheet here of things that that we've taken pictures of and recorded timeframes on. But we just started looking at stuff, you know, a little closer. Once you start hearing things or seeing things, you start looking a little closer. And but you can see the picture of the tree snap It may be nothing. It could be a deer, you know, maybe a deer snapped it off where there was no sign on the tree of any antler or scraping on it, but it was just a direct ninety degree snap. And there was nothing around it that fell on it because we looked okay. And then in November of twenty three, you heard the howl. Yes, that was something. I was deer hunting on a deer hunter and I go out and drink shotguns season and I have a deer stay and two man ladder stands what I use. And I was out there and this was on the twenty fifth of November, and it was almost dark, and I was starting to put my stuff away because it was, you know, too dark to hunt anymore. And siren was going down twenty four and it was loud enough that it apparently set off coyotes. So to the north I heard a group of coyotes. There was a pond not too far from where we live. I kind of hang around back there. So a group of coyotes started yipping, you know, going off because of the siren they heard on the highway. And then after that to the west, straight to the west, probably I'm going to say a quarter mile or or between a quarter mile and a half mile away, another group of coyotes did the same thing. So we had two different groups of coyotes in the area sounding off to this iron and then I heard this howl and it was a lot closer to me. I would say, within between an eighth and a quarter mile from me. That was it was. Whatever it was was loud enough that I could feel it in my chest. I mean I could feel the reverberation of it in my chest. And it was a long, drawn out, straight howl that went on for probably I mean, I'm going to say four to five seconds before it. I mean I could kind of give you an idea what it sounded like if you want to know, But if you don't want that, that's fine. But it went off for four or five seconds and then just trailed off, and I can't It didn't trail off like a dog would trail off or a coyote would trail off. Have you ever heard the Ohio howl? I don't know that I have or not. Yeah, I can play some audio for you here in a second. But that's Matt Moneymaker from finding big Foot. That was his claim to fame back in the early nineties. That was recorded in ninety four, wasn't. It something early nineties earlier? Ninety one ninety four. Yeah, it's it almost sounds like a siren. Well, that's what I first thought when I heard it. I'm thinking, what, here's another siren going off because it was so loud, you know, I'm thinking, of all, where is this coming from? But I could tell as the direction was coming from. It was coming from the woods. It was coming from the northwest. To me, and the direction he heard this is going to be important in a second. Well, it came from the northwest. And like I said, it was just a long drawing out straight out And I can't really describe it to you other than that unless I unless I try to make a sound that sounded like. There are right, I have an idea of what it sounds like. I'll play some I'll throw some clip in here for the audience to give them an idea. Okay, but it was amazing because it just I could feel it in my chest and that and I usually don't sound you don't feel like that, right, but I could. I could. I mean I had heavy hunting clothes on and I could feel it like it has hit me in the chest. It was that loud and I'm just sitting there. I've tried to pull my phone out. I'm thinking, well, I need to record this, and then I and then as I was doing I'm thinking, now there's I mean, there's no way by the time I get this out of my pocket, get my gloves off, flip through to hit find the record, and do all this, it'll be over with. I'm just gonna sit here and listen to this because it had just amazed me that much. It did sound like it was closer further away. It was close. I'm going to say, like within between an eight and a half eighth and a quarter mile, not too far away from the the edge of the woods, which is probably about an eighth of a mile from me northwest across the field. Okay, so I've heard people talk about feeling it in your chest. They call out like when tigers do it, like get hit from infra sound, and a lot of people sasquatch has this, which again who really knows, but right, yeah, that's usually if they're up close. So if it's off in the distance, it's still pretty powerful if you can actually fill the reverberation from it. Right, Yeah, I would I would recommend. I would say that it was probably either at the edge of the woods or on that woods that you go in probably about one hundred one hundred and fifty yards. It goes straight up on top of a hill, and whatever it was could have been on the top of that hill facing me. Yeah, but it was somewhere between the edge of the woods and the top of that hill. Of that area of woods back there, but it was coming from that was just a little over a year ago. Yeah, that was in see it was November twenty fifth of twenty three. Okay, yeah, so not terribly long ago. You've had tree knocks, Yeah, the wild tree knocking. We both heard those. Yeah, the one on January is listed there is January thirteenth of twenty twenty four. I just went outside on the back deck, walked out there and then just turned two loud knock, knock, and it was in our woods, that was on our property. It was that close. I mean how it was that close because of how loud it was. And then I stood there and listened and listened, and it was really cold that day, and it was really cold and windy and snowy. And. You can hear things. I think better when it is cold out. So for some reason, like I always feel like when you walk outside it's really cold, you can the air is different, the quality is different. But I think so because we can hear the train tracks from where I live. The train tracks is a good several miles away, but you can hear those whistles and then driving like right down the track, you can hear it. But in the summertime you don't because you have all the growth on the trees and everything. But when it's it all down, you can hear everything else. Oh yeah, that same knocking. A day later, I heard it through the glass door in the kitchen, so I was in the house when I heard it, but it was the same same thing. And then in February is when you had your knocking session? Was that where you weren't camping then where you were just you wouldn't were camping, Well you were camping in February, yep. Wow. So we had planned out a backpacking trip in late August of twenty four and so leading up to it, I was buying sleeping bags and tents, all sorts of stuff to take on this backpacking trip. So in February I decided I was going to set the tent up, sleeping bag, sleeping pad all that stuff, get it all ready, just to make sure the sleeping bag was rated to temperature was supposed to be like twenty degrees that night, so the thirteenth of February. So I set everything up in the daylight, maybe two three o'clock in the afternoon, and then and that night stayed out at the house. And then when it was time to go to bed, instead of sleeping in the house, I just went down in the woods. And I had a Deet's oil lantern that I had just bought, so I decided to take that with me to light the path. I thought that would be neat, so I took that down there with me and got in the tent and it was probably twenty five degrees out, I think roughly, And got in the tent and got my sleeping bag zipped up, got in it and was laying down and just got ready to go to sleep, and I started to hear this noise coming from maybe a mile away three quarters of a mile away, and it sounded like something smacking something, but like in patterns, it was like bang bang bang, bang bang, and with maybe four or five second space in between. So I laid there for probably ten minutes trying to figure out what what this noise was, and I'm like, what in the world. Well, so I jokingly thought to myself, I'm like, oh, it's a big foot, you know. Well, then I'm and then I consciously thought to myself, I'm like, well, it can't be a tree knock because for something to swing something out of tree and then bring it back and swing it and smack it again, it can't. It's not gonna be able to make a bang bang noise because you can't swing something that fast. Right, I'm like, well, what in the world will be making that noise? So I kept listening to it and listened to it. I mean it was loud enough that it was carrying on the wind from where it was coming from, same direction that he heard that howl from. And as I'm listening to it, it occurs to me that it's rocks being smacked together, and you can tell that's what it is. Once once I realized it, I'm like, oh, what in the world. So it's like they're clacking yeah, rocks, big, I mean big rock. So I got out of the tent, I'm getting on the sleeping bag, unzipped the tent and I'm going back up to the house. The house is maybe what would you say, one hundred and fifty feet away from the campsite. Maybe a little bit farther than that, but probably a. Little farther than that. Yeah, but it's not not too far from the house. So I'm coming up out of the woods getting the house. He's asleep, and my mom she's awake watching TV and she doesn't believe in Bigfoot at all. She thinks it's all bunk. So I told her, I said, you need to get your coat on right now. There's something in the woods clacking rocks. And she goes, what I'm like, Yeah, I'm not going to sleep down there tonight. So I took her outside. This is probably five minutes later since I've been in the house. We come back outside, we get about halfway down to the campsite and we stop and it starts again, and we're listening to it clack click clack, clack clack clack, like like something communicating, almost like a It wasn't Morse code, but it was kind of like that. You know, we had three or four different patterns it was using. Didn't you say that it came from two different directions. Yeah, So it was like something would clack directly from the direction where you heard the howl, same exact direction, and then maybe forty five degrees to the left of it, something would respond maybe four or five seconds later. And so we stood there and listened to it for maybe ten more minutes, and then I got back up out of the woods, got in the house and woke my dad up and I'm like, you got to listen to this. You're not gonna believe it. And he's like, wow, like there's something out in the woods clacking rocks back there where you heard that howl. And he's like, what you know, he's all about bigfoot. So he jumps up, gets dressed, and we go out there. Well, so this is another five ten minutes later. We get back outside. My mom she's still standing outside. She goes, it's still doing it. So it's still clacking. You can hear it as we come out of the house. So we start headed down in the woods. We go all the way to the campsite. Now the whole time we're moving, it's silent. It doesn't make any noise at all. We get to the campsite right where the tent's at and we stop and we go totally silent, and maybe ten seconds later it starts again, doing the same thing, clacking rocks back and forth, and we're listening to it, and we took two different videos on our phones, and neither neither phone captured it on audio because it was so far away, but you could hear it carrying on the wind. And so we stood there and listened to it for what, what do you think? Maybe ten minutes? About probably another ten minutes. And so I pointed the flashlight at the fire pit next to the tent, and I go grab a couple of those rocks and clack back at it, you know. So he grabs two of those rocks, I mean big fire pit rocks and smacks them together. Well, they're so big that he drops them as soon as he smacks them because he can't really get his hands around him. Same exact noise, same exact pitch. Everything. As soon as we do that, we hear clack from the forward direction where he heard the howl clack from the forty five degree and then it stops. And so from that point forward, I have been researching, doing everything I can to figure out what in the Yeah, and so yeah, after that, after that day, I would not consider myself a skeptic because there's not there is no animal that can I mean we're talking a mile back in the woods, probably ten thirty at night and twenty five degree weather, and I mean the only explanation is that it was a person. But why would there be a person three quarters of a mile back in the woods. I mean, and it's really hilly, just crazy elevation. Back there is there back there? Yeah, there's a creek that runs through it. I know certain animals that could be one hundred percent round, but I thought raccoons break clamshells or whatever. But that's too loud for the yeah to carry. Oh no, No, this was huge. I mean you could tell it was big rocks being smacked together. Because where we went for an area for this documentary, we went to a spot that's actually not too far from the area, like it was around rich Valley. It was right along the Walbash River and there was a big pile of shells that they all were busted right on the edge of the river. And we just kind of said to probably raccoon, right. But. Now that you're talking about what blackened noises and everything, who knows. Does that's creaked meanders back through this woods lowland, back through there, all the way up through our area where our woods is. It comes through our area too. I've never seen any clam shells or anything like that in this creek. I don't think it has that kind of life. So the very next day, of course, I'm like still freaking out about it. Very next day, we go out back in that woods to look for stuff, and so we find what we think are footprints. We've got pictures of them that you could see, but and then we found like two different tree structure looking things. And the thing that was most interesting to me was the area where we found these footprint things. It was in a low lying area where kind of two hills come down into like a valley thing, and there were rock piles in there, of big rocks about the size that would have been making this noise. So that was interesting. So then occasionally every couple of weeks we would go out and investigate and we found i mean, several footprints, structures, more tree breaks, trees bent over and pinned to the ground. We've got through four different occurrences of finding that. I don't know what it is about. Our woods, but there seems like in our woods and the woods behind us, there's lots of trees that look like they're pulled down to the ground, just bent over, but nothing holding him on the other end, like nothing that's fell over on him. There's no. Other tree laying there that's fell onto it. Is if something just stuck it in the ground. Yeah, they're very weird. We've got a picture one of those, I think, and yeah, we're ready to see there too as well. Well. When well, with all this stuff going on, we decided we're going to start. We're going to investigating investigator, We're going to try and see what we can come up with. So the first thing Nathan did, he's always going to take an apple out and leave it and anything. So I want to mention something about the tree structures we found. So when we say tree structures, it was two different trees that had stuff stuck and interwoven into it. And the stuff that we found stuck into it was old like logs off the forest floor that were almost rotted away that had been propped up. So it was not stuff that fell out of a tree. Because we know for a fact one of the areas that one tree structure has been back there a long time, and we've always called it the tree structure, you know. So when we started investigating this, we found a second one right next to it, and the second which was before right the second one that popped up within the last year, has all this stuff that you could tell is like ten plus year old dead crap that's just laid on the forest floor and about rotted away, and something has picked it up off the ground and set it inside this tree in all sorts of different directions. So that was weird. Yeah, So the apple experiment. Well, you took an apple out and yeah, and just took it out by our. So at this point, I'm listening to Sasquatch chronicles, you know, and somebody had said something about leaving something for them. So I just took an apple and laid it on the ground. There's a bridge that crosses the creek right where that campsite's at, so I walked across the bridge and set an apple right on the ground, just directly across the bridge. So then the next day after that, mid February, we go out again to investigate. Of course, the apple's gone, you know, and raccoon whatever could have taken it. So we're looking at, honestly, if we can find this apple, if anything's ate on it. And it was totally gone, and we found large footprints in the leaves. So at this point there was a cover of dead leaves on the ground, a not just one, a track line of footprints left right, footprints leading directly up to where this apple was sitting. I mean, these footprints went through the leaves. They're not they're not like calling bareground footprints. And you could just tell they were impressions, you know, they were deep impressions. And we stepped into them with our own feet to get a gauge of how large they were. And I said, look, Nathan, how large. Put your foot in here and feel this. And he put his foot in and fold it and it was quite large. And we tried, if we could, to try it right beside it to you know, try to jump up and down to create something simple. You know, see if we could even create something. We didn't have the weight it would take to make that. Those prints that deep into the ground. We couldn't even make an impress Yeah, yeah, we could make an impression. So we repeated that several times. I did a second, so I did it again the very next day. I did the exact same thing, set the apple on the exact same spot. Now that time I found it eight and on and it was still laying there. It had been moved, so you could tell a raccoon or a squirrel whatever it gotten into it and munched around on it. So we thought nothing of that. So we decided we'd move it up to doing the apple thing and gambling we were going to move up on top of a tree. So then we started using trail cameras with the apples. So we found a We've got a stump back there, and it's weird. It's almost like an altar looking thing, but it's perfect. I mean, it's like a stump that comes maybe five feet off the ground. It's got a back to it. So we set two apples up on that and we pointed a trail camera at it, and that sat there for probably two weeks. Well, it wasn't that fall, it wasn't that long. We set that up on the twenty fifth of February and okay, they went through the third We set them up, put the trail camera on it, and nothing touched them for at least a week. They set there all the way to the second of March. Yeah. On the second of March, we thought, well, we red read about how well if they don't like trail cameras, so we thought, well, I we'll take the trail camera down. I'll leave it set there. See what happens. Take the trail can of. Course, I said, well, as soon as we take it down, the apples are going to disappear. So we took it down. The next day, apples were going yep. So we thought, okay, we'll do it one more time. So we did a third time. On the fourth we went back out, put the apples back up, set a trail camera on it, and let it set for a few days. This one was a long one. This went from March fourth to March twentieth. Yeah, it's set for one and we. Let it set for for several days. Nothing touched it, nothing touched it, nothing touched it. We thought, well, maybe they can see this camera. We'll move the camera. So we took the camera down, put it in a more obscure location, looking at it from another direction. So on the then on the nineteenth of March, it was there. Nathan come out on the twentieth of March, they were gone. Yeah, I went out and checked it every single day, just to make sure we weren't, you know, skipping time and losing track of win exactly what day they disappeared. We try not to get into the trail camera. We'd stay up back away from it, so we weren't triggering the trail camera. But the day that he walked out and the apples were gone, he triggered the trail camera, right, but there was no trigger or prior to that. And you'll see that in the photos. It's weird. But so I found the found the stump with no apples, and I walked around it for ten minutes looking for those apples. And we still had leaf cover on the ground so you couldn't see super well. But I mean I sifted through the leaves, kicked up bald spots, and there those apples were gone. So I took the camera to yeah, with the expectation that we were going to see what took the apples, and it was We had weird light anomalies is the only way I can describe it. On the camera two different times, I believe, one or two times the night before the apples disappeared, and then that morning they were gone, but it didn't capture what took them. And they, like I said, they're four or five feet off the ground, and. They almost looked like an almost like a round, like an orbish shape. Yeah, in the pictures you can see those. We've got copies of those that you can see. But yeah, that was very strange. It just looked like it almost looked like there was something in the foreground next to the camera. And then then there were these round circles. They looked like orbs. That's what it kind of looks like in the picture. You can look for yourself see if you think it looks like orbes. But that's what it looks like to me. For some reason, a lot of people report orbs around Bigfoot. Actually, yes, so if you get into the WU side of Bigfoot, actually have an episode coming out here soon. But they think Bigfoot use these orbs like it's their energy. So the reason they disappear from people seeing them where they're not getting picked up or whatever, like they turn into these balls of energy. It's some out there stuff, but that's how people trying. Topla wins up with our timeline of the apples this spring. But basically you'd have to believe that Bigfoot is an intermensional being or a supernatural right, bean, Yeah. And I still don't you know that all kind of cumul and that all kind of comes to. Then the event that led us to finding the good footprint that we had found my son, my youngest son. He stays up very late and plays video games we into the morning hours, and usually lets our dog out before he goes to bed. And he said that he went out, and this was March seven. He went out about two thirty am, opened the back door, and he heard something wrestling large, he said, wrestling through the leaves along the side of our he got sideyard in the woods. He said he could hear something wrestling through there, and then he heard a clack. And he told us about this the next day. Rock clack, rock clack. So he thought, well, I will go out and see if we can find any evidence of anything out there. So I'm on the PlayStation with him the next day and he goes, Hey, he goes, I was letting Benny out at like three in the morning, and something clacked a rock and like ran off from the woodline right next to the porch. I'm like what, So of course I come out, you know, because well now we got to do another investigation, you know. So I get out there and we so he's telling me where he heard it, and you just get home from work, and so the three of us go into that little strip of woods looking for stuff. Didn't see anything in the woods, so then we check on the other side of the woods. There's a field right on the other side of it, and in that field we found seven or eight footprints, large footprints like a track another trackway, but we. Couldn't I mean, the one footprint that we actually ended up finally casting looked much fresher than the others, And I don't know why that would be, whether something had been down through there earlier. And then where the where there is where it had stepped was was in the dirt of the field, but it was right on the edge that field track if you ever look at it as he keeps it mode around the edge of the field, so it's pretty hard solid ground there, But where it had stepped was just to the left of that. So I'm guessing whatever was walking there stepped over into the soft into that soft spot and then got back up into you know, was in the grass to walk on back farther. But that's the print that we ended up initially and finally casting the next day. Which it of course rained, so we had so to protect the print. I took a I think a Walmart bag or something, I don't remember what what trash bag I think, and pinned it down with rocks to keep it from getting rained on, because you know, I'm parent. I'm like, it's going to get rained on, and my Dad's like, oh no, Well, of course it rained and. The rain ran on top of the bag and from the bag down into the print, so it basically collected more water and run it right down into the So. We dabbed it with a paper towel so we could cast cast it with the plaster. I had to clean it all out, try to clean all the water. Yeah. I know I'll get commented about this, but how did you guys learn how to cast her a footprint? Only thing that I would know was by watching like different bigfoot shows like Explore, you know the ones that are on television. Plaster of Paris. So I told Nathan he said, we need to cast I said, well, we don't have anything to cast anything. With he said. I said, I think they used plaster Paris. He says, why could get some on my way home from work tomorrow. I said, well, if you want to, you know, because I hadn't even given any thought to cast it, right, he's I said, if you want to go ahead and we'll try it. And we were able to get it done. Yeah. I mean literally are we do is mix it up, poured in the I mean, because it's a it was a deep footprint, poured it into the footprint and let it dry, and then I think you pried it up with like a crowbar or. Something, pried it out. Yeah. I mean, there wasn't a huge process to it. The skeptics always say that for people to have a casting, They're like, well, how they know how to cast? I was like, well, it's the internet era, Like it's not hard to look online to figure out how you make a cast. We just mix, yeah, plaster of Paris and pour it in there. Like I said, I've always been a fan of the subject anyway, So I watch all the the shows and you know that are related to it, and they cast prints, and I mean I knew that they would use plaster Paris. What else he would use it. Something sets fairly fast. And I don't know anything about casting. I just know that when I do episodes, people believe comments always always negative. So that's what I've When you come out and you talk about stuff like this, you need to be able to accept the criticisms of people because everyone wants to say you're lying for whatever reason. That's and it's the main reason why we have not shared the story right with anyone. I mean, the guy I work with, we talk about everything, but he knows nothing about this. I mean, I've told him little pickets of things about hearing people, the rocks clocking together, and I've told him certain little things, but but I've not talked to him about it. I don't want even thinking. I'm oh, I talk about it every chance I get, I can relate. I'm still in the Bigfoot's actually real camp. So when you have something that changes your whole perspective, it's hard to talk about with people because unless they have an experience, they're not gonna be able to relate to them. Yeah, someone I work with she saw one at Messina Wall across the road at hog Back. I've never been there. I don't know exactly what the terrains like in that spot. But they saw one cross the road on its running on its knuckles back in the nineties, eighties or nineties. I think you're the second person in the last couple of days of have mentioned hogback, and I'm not sure where that's at. Really. She gave me a pin drop to it. I don't know if I sent that to you or not. I think you did, but I think I may have. Someone yesterday's mentioned hog drop or hog back, and I'm like, she called it hogback. She said it's closed now. I guess the bridge washed out or something. There's a couple of different areas out there, like Goose Creek and now this hogback. I need to get out through those areas because once they bring the dam back up, you can't get to them, right. It's like you can only access them when they've drained it all. So she described it as reddish orange fur about five foot tall, down on its knuckles. It ran across the road did basically like a summer salt across the other side, and then as soon as they pulled up to it, it was an open spot where it had ran into and it was gone. It just like it vanished into thin air. And then in one of the most recent episodes of Sasquatch Chronicles, there was a guy that was telling a story I believe from Kentucky, and he described the exact same creature, same color, a little bit smaller, but running on its knuckles. So same exact and that to me. So one of my personal hobbies is I like to study history, like medieval history, and it's difficult when you have reports of something that supposedly happened. How do you determine what really happened and what somebody you know, invented a story about and you have to take reports, I oppose it, eyewitness accounts, icronography, you know, things that people drew, illustrations of things that you find in the ground that you can date to that period to try to draw a complete picture of what really happened, you know. And so that's kind of the process I use with this as I'm always listening to, I mean, all these different podcasts to try to find consistent information. And it has blown my mind how consistent some of this stuff is. I mean, I've heard seven eight different times at least that their knees sit lower on their legs than ours do, and that's from you know, all over the country, several different podcasts worth of information. I've heard things about how they're built. That's consistent across the board. I mean, it's very consistent. I mean from what I would look at as far as like something that I would believe is being true from history. It's it's very similar to that. It's very consistent, which is something I look for when I'm studying stuff anything. It's so weird to me, though, that they've have so many reports of these things for hundreds of years, even dating back with the DA America. Yeah, but yet we don't have any quote unquote proof, Like you have your Patterson Gimblin film, which is like the holy grail of bigfoot footage. But right today people say that's just a man in a suit. Even though they can't replicate it. They've tried, well, some of the latest if you look at some of the latest attempts to clarify those images and the videos itself, and they've done some amazing work with that. And if you look at. That, I mean you can see the muscles, right, you. Can see the muscle movement both. I mean, it's I always thought the same thing growing up that that was probably somebody in the suit that they'd hired to do this, And you know, that's what I had thought that after seeing, especially in the last few years, the different things that they've come up with to clarify that, and it's amazing. You can see the tendons moving and everything in the newest. My thing about that is this is back in nineteen sixty eight or sixty nine, the suit somewhere the suit was better than Hollywood quality suit and they made it female. Like, if you're gonna make this thing, why would you make it a female? Like you would to me, that's I guess if you're going to be a hoax, that's an outside the box way of hoaxing things because you're like, I'm gonna make a female I'm gonna at breast on it. But even in today's standards, like it holds up better than what people recreate. Oh nowadays, and with the clarified video, I mean, there are things about the anatomy that I mean, for example, the bounce, I guess I'm gonna formil to the bounty. They couldn't replicate that. And the guy that supposedly claims he made the costume for them, you know, and that peronymous fellow that wore it and all this Their costume was. No way, it didn't look anything. Yeah, of achieving the kind of movement closer and nothing like that. So I think that's more of a hoax than the they claimed. Patterson said that on his deathbed that he faked it all. I was like, of course someone's going to say that were they in there? And I don't believe that. But like you said, I mean, if somebody is persuaded that this stuff is not real, I could take a video of a dead sasquatch and cut one of its fingers off to prove that, hey, this is a real thing. And somebody's going to say, oh, well, that's a dummy that you you know, created a look like a corpse and you packed it full of animal intestines, you know, And. That actually happened about twenty years ago. Someone did that. I was all excited about that, the one that they had, and that you're talking about, the particular one that they had in the freezer. The freezer one. Yeah, I'm thinking they finally got one. They finally got one. And this guy was certain, you know that these fellas had you know, provided him with it, they made money off all they made money off of him and everything else, and then of course it turned out to be. A bunch of guts, some like raccoons and possum and other things. I don't know that. That's why you get a bad rap when it comes to this field, because you get the hoaxers that are out there doing that stuff. So legitimate people that do have experiences are afraid to come forward because you're gonna get lumped into like the rest of these people that are out there screwing around. Even after casting a print and I don't know what it is about casting a print and holding it in my hands and looking at it, I still have to say to myself in the back of my head, this can't be real. That there's no there's nothing like this. It's never been found, No one has ever produced a body. No, I mean, this cannot be real, even though even though you have something from them. We kind of withdrew from investigating for months after we did that, because, yeah, it almost became too real. Yeah, it's almost like it. It became like I don't want to mess with this. Something I wanted to mention too about that is a lot of people, I think, take different shows that almost make fun of the subject as proof that it's not real. And I could say, as somebody has been legitimately investigating whether or not this is a real thing, that as a mode of entertainment, I wouldn't trade something like Mountain Monsters for anything simply because it it kind of helps keep it from becoming too real. You can kind of relegate it to the realm of just entertainment, and it allows you to keep it from bothering you in a way. I guess. I don't know how else to describe it, but it's that's how I feel about that. I've watched a few of the episodes. I actually met some of them at cryptocon back in November. I love to meet those guys. They're good guys, nice guys. Yeah, that shows not real. Oh yeah, yeah, it's obvious. It's obviously right. It's obviously fake just for entertainment. But I don't see that as as a problem with with the bigfoot community. I think it's something that I I mean, I enjoy it for entertainment value, and I think as long as you understand it, it's just entertainment. Even finding bigfoot to me is entertainment because a lot of the things that they're out there doing, right, it's more or less stage that way. Like they go in there, they do their setups, they do all their other things. They investigate for one night and then they leave. Yeah, you're not going to find anything on your first try. You've lived in this area for how many years? And it takes how many years to get like random things to happen. Expedition Bigfoot seems to be a little better as far as on the show Expedition Bigfoot, it seems like they that they are doing some serious work there to try to to try to find something, but it's the same thing you're talking about. They'll go multiple episodes and they keep building and keep building. We're getting closer to it, and we're getting closer to what we need to find. Well we got to leave, yeah, or well, you know, the bad weather's moving in now, so we can't do any further, or well, you know, I mean if I was finding things that was that that was that important to me in the telling this story, there's no weather or no deadline gonna stop me continuing to look. We're looking for footprints and why to reweather The truth. Of the matter is when it comes to shows like that, when you're searching for these things, once you find it, you don't have a show anymore. That's absolutely true. So they're only gonna find a little bit here and there to keep surely more seasons coming back, because again, once you find Bigfoot, there is no more finding Bigfoot. Bigfoot Found is a really short show. Right, which we'll talk about it here in a minute, but we'll finish up with the things that you've experienced, but I'm gonna ask you a little bit of about some Bigfoot related questions. Yeah, so once we kind of took a break from it after that casting we started, we really didn't make any more efforts to investigate, but we had so many more things happen that we kind of I mean, we just documented the times and dates whatever, and. Yeah, yeah, they're just multiple. I mean, like we found a dear kill site, you know, where there was a lot of bones and in that same area there was a couple of there was like a child's boot and an adult male shoe there was there in the same area of these bones, and that was kind of creepy, you know, may it's feel kind of creepy. I mean no of this may it may even have any relationship to the subject at all. There was a time in August to August twenty first to twenty twenty four we heard another tree knock pattern what seemed to be happening in three different locations. That lasted for about three minutes. So that was another probably the most major thing I had made. I cut down a sapling in that woods maybe in July, and I was gonna make a walking stick out of it for that backpacking trip in August. So I cut that down, and no, they weren't home. They were in Walbash, I think shopping or something. So I came out to the house and was sitting on we've got like a sitting out in the yard and standing on that walking stick to get it smooth so I could grip it. And I heard it wasn't clacking. It was tree knock, like wood on wood tree knocks. But it came from it went back and forth for about two minutes, and it came from three different locations, so it was like knock knock, and then to the left of it, maybe thirty degrees knock, knock knock, and then to the right of that ninety degrees knock, knock, knock, and then the center original point knock, and then to the left of that knock knock, I mean, and it went back and forth. And so I sat there and listened to that, and so that, like I said, that went on for maybe two minutes. I don't think we recorded the date of that. That was something, like I said, sometime in July, I think early August at the latest. But yeah, I mean we heard tree knocks all throughout twenty four. Yeah. Then the only other major, the only other major thing that was kind of odd that happened was in September of twenty four where my son was out swinging and he heard loud clack directly behind him in the woods. And I got home from work. I get home about two two thirty, and I got out and there's this strong odor, I mean almost not like a dead animal was there somewhere close. Yeah, I'm like, what in the world is a smell? And it was awful. So I went down in the woods looking trying to find out where this order could be coming from. And I could never but he would teach me, says y'ah, I heard of clacking. I said, Well, you did, and he didn't even really mention the odor. Jacob is kind of an odd right. I had been out, I had been out to the house a day before he heard this, and I smelled the dead thing, and I just assumed it was a deer that died in the woods. We've had that happen before, so I assume that's what it was. But I smelled that smell. It smelled kind of like a dead animal, but a little bit off, I don't know how else to describe. It, almost kind of had more of a skunky, pungent kind of smell too. It been, But the order went away at five forty five forty pm. That order was gone and it never come back. Right after that clocking. Yes, after I had gone down and tried to find where it was, the order went away and never came back. And usually when we've got a deer that dies down there, that smell lingers. For at least a week, so the instantly go away. Right, No, No, but that's the bulk of what I mean. There's been other times we've heard things that we haven't documented and so forth. So then we went rabbit hunting here like what two three weeks ago, and walking through the woods and it had snowed, so there was a light cover of snow on the ground. And we found gosh, probably close to a dozen deer beds back in this spot, and then maybe fifty feet up ahead of them because they were all clustered together. Fifty feet up ahead of them, all by itself was this big bed like three times the size of these deer beds, and they were all the exact same size, same shape. This thing was like like shaped long ways. It literally looked like a person had laid down in the snow. So we're walking up on this thing looking at it, like what in the world. I said, well, maybe two or three of them bedded right now, next one. It's possible that's what it was. We get to looking at it and there is literally at the foot of it, like a headboard. There's a sapling that's been twisted off, like something grabbed it and just twisted it and broke it completely off. We got a picture that as. We got a picture of the stump that was the stick that was sticking up that was twisted had been twisted off. Yehm. So whatever this was, it bedded down there did it within a day of us finding it because it had just snowed and these were fresh beds on top of this snow, so it was I mean it was recent. How big was the sapling around. Like that? So it's not really. Inch inch and a half? Yeah, about an inch or so? Yeah, about an inch in and half? Like what twists? And it wasn't twisted and twisted all? Yeah, we have a picture of that little thing you want, but yeah, what would you twist it? That we were snapped? If it were snapped off, you know, you could see it was moved, but that you can tell by looking at the patently it's twisted. It only looks twisted. Yeah, it was something turned it. So all those things say together there is why we we kind of built our story and we refer to it. We referred to him as the Eerie Clacker just because of the amount of rock clacking that has gone on all you know, all throughout our and and it's very very strange. I don't have an we're still getting we're still getting activity as of three weeks ago. That's what I said. I would love to be able to come out there, even if I don't use it for the documentary. Yeah, just because. This is what I'm looking for right exactly. I mean, after hearing your story, I don't blame you a bit. It all falls into why I do what I do because I've had a lot of people reach out. I've already interviewed like six or seven people for the documentary about all the weird stuff that goes on around here. And it's not just here like the way I have it set up. It just it's more local to us. Yeah, but it's not just this local like it's the whole area, Like there's everywhere you go it's weird stuff. But like for some reason, for such a small little area that we're in, there's a lot of high strangeness activity around here. Remind me. When we're done here, I'm going to bring up a Facebook video that I want you to take a listen to. A friend of mine on Facebook posted this asking her friends what it is. And it's a sound and it is the oddest thing I have ever heard. And it's in this area too, but it just the oddest sound I have ever heard. And she took up she took an audio of it with a video. You know, there's nothing on the video, but she took an audio of this sound. And it is so so strange. I don't know exactly where she lives. I know she lives within the Preu area, but I don't know exactly where she is. But my boss said he heard the same sound. I played it for him, the guy I worked with, and he says, I heard that same exact sound come over our house. Later. I see, it would have been in the summer. This was this just happened a month or so or two ago, okay, But the one he heard was earlier in the summer. He said, that came right over our house. And my son said, well, he looked up and saw this craft over the house that had two big things hanging down below it. He said, are they orange? I don't know. I'm going to talk to him next time I see him, okay, and see if I can get him to tell me exactly what it was he saw. Yeah, because there was reports of a lot of things flying around here, especially lately with these drone sightings or whatever. But back in October, there was a bunch of reports of like these orange double orb looking things, but they were flying together, and there was two of them, the little there's two things with them. Well, you had a weird ufolks. Oh yeah, we never mentioned the uf experience we had when you were a long time ago. Oh my goodness. You were probably eight and your brother was five. We were coming back from the house we live at now because it was our in laws at the time, coming down twenty four head intoward Peru, because we lived intown in Peru, and you get to the top of the hill there before you crest recrest the hill to come down, or the flashing lights at the bomb the hill where you went into the backside of Peru, they're not there anymore. Yeah, yes, yeah, we were heading that. We were cresting that hill, and the entire sky lit up like heat lightning, you know what heat lightning looks like. The whole sky to the west just lit up, and I thought, wow, I'm like, what what's this? You know, Well, as we're traveling down that hill, a something started to appear like it was coming out from behind something. It was it just like it looked like it was coming out from behind something. And it was a perfect orange circle, this flat orange and perfectly round. But it appeared like it had was coming out from behind something. So we're looking at that. My wife's seen it. I saw it that the boys were too young to really remember, but I don't really And then as we're traveling down, a second one appears next to the first one, So now there's two. By the time I'm almost to the Bomb of the Hell, a third popped up next to that. So then there were three. And they all kind of started to go away the same way they came, like they were tucking back behind something. You know, they were gradually getting smaller, like, you know, like they were tucking back behind something. We get to the Bomb of the Hill and I pull into the media and I put it in park. She says, what are you doing? What are you doing? I said, well, I've got to get out. I've got to see this. I've got to see So I get out, look up at the sky and I can see the stars. I can see nothing. I mean, no sound, no nothing that would have that would have created these. Probably about four or fifteen months ago, we saw a very big orange orb straight back and it was THEO. I was just hovering and I honestly thought it was a flare, but then it went up over and goes. We watched it for ten minutes and I've literally made comments like why do people watch these things and everything to film it? I never once taught the film. Yeah wait, I yelled for my wife Y. We were looking at it. Never once did anybody think about recording it? Yeah, the kids. I mean this was twenty plus years ago. People self, you know, you didn't really have the technology then, yeah, to do it or anything like that. But it was the oddest thing. And during that same timeframe, other people had seen in this area amberg littles like that. And my school teacher that I went with, he's dead and going on. Mister Winters, he saw the same thing over his house. Him and his wife were laying there watching television. They had sun lights in their family room area, and this light come across the top of their sun roof, and they got up and walked over to their or sliding glass doors and one of these orange globes positioned itself right above their pond and they just stood there and watched it. And then it just shot right straight up and was gone. And he was a school teacher man that that I actually taught me in the seventh grade. It was my teacher too. M small world, mister Winters, yeah, small town, small town. He was my mom's teacher at one point too. But yeah, focus of mine has been trying to expand is last year, trying to expand our technical capabilities of catching audio of something, video of something. I've just got a laptop for storing pictures and going through audio and stuff. So we've got a parabolic microphone now with a recorder that we can catch audio with. Probably never hear another thing now. Yeah, that's what I've been working on, trying to get the fund I've set up a Kickstarter for the documentary and I didn't really need it. Everyone kept asking out of help, so I was like, all right, I'll make a kickstart or whatever. So I want to get a night vision camera. I want to get like a Flaer camera. Yeah, and I'm gonna go out to some of these areas we're gonna investigate. I've had multiple people ask me if they can come along. I said no, Like, that's me and my cameraman. That's it. Like, I don't want a bunch of people out there, because you're gonna get more contamination you're gonna get and I'm just gonna sit out there. We might sit out there all the way long and nothing happens. But that's part of it. Does it always happens when you at least expected. Right, Ye, if you go out there expecting to catch something, you're not going to. Like a lot of the times when people have these experiences, you don't they're not actually out there trying to have an experience. Now, I recently talked to someone from I don't know where they're from now, but they had an experience out by the old Battleground. It's over by you can't think of the name of the town, the fountain, like where they did the Battleground reenactments. They talked about seeing. They were out there for ghost hunting, paranormal stuff. They happened to run into a big foot, like they said they saw it whatever. And I'm pretty sure the connection I make with this was about six or seven years ago. But it was gray, it was colored gray, and it was at nighttime. They heard it running across the river like after it saw them, it ran away. Just around the beginning of December, someone reported on the Bigfoot Mapping project another bigfoot in that area, like less than a mile away. So kind of strange that people are seeing the same thing the same areas, Like I've heard several different people have had experiences around that, and again it all ties around the Mist Cinema, all the Wabashed rivers, like, it's all in the same general region, and people are like, oh, Indiana, you don't have big foot there. You think they think of Oregon, Washington. Yeah, that was something that I kind of we discussed earlier in the year in that, like you said, a lot of people have an idea that you need these large wooded areas for these things to live. Well, if you've got a place like this woods where we've been having all this activity, it may only be a couple miles of territory, but if it's a place that nobody ever goes back into that's essentially inaccessible, that is, in my mind, a better spot to hide than a place like Yellowstone where you've got thousands of people traveling in and out of it all over the place constantly, because there's not going to be anyone there to catch anything. My thought process about this and this my tenfoil hat for the time. Why did they decide to build the dams where they built them, Because you have the one up in Solomony, you have the one in miss Senewa. I understand they said it used to flood Peru. That was their whole reasoning. But all these areas around here, it's all the same location where people are having all these experiences, are seeing all these things around these areas that are now government land. Well, let's add let's add to your one the thing that you're talking about right now, the area that we're in there is a section of d NR owned property. A few people are aware is there and why exactly. And it connects to the woods where we've yes had all this stuff happen, found all these footprints, heard the clacking, heard the roarings, all the white wolf. I mean, this is all the same woods. Right, and it probably ties into where the rivers are, which ties into where the miss Sinewa is, and it all kind of somehow connects to each other one where or the other. And it's all government owned land. And the area that my coworker saw that sasquatch run across the road, it was closed down. You can't get back there anymore with a vehicle, isn't it. They? Yeah, Missina Walls all Army Corps of Engineers. Yeah. I've always thought that was weird that the Army Corps of engineers is involved. But yeah, that is weird. But so they gated that off, and that's something so when I talk about like consistency of reports and finding evidence to support eyewitness accounts, things like that, that's something that's happened several times on her and on people that's gone on Sasquatch chronicles that after they see something, if the right person hears about it, the area gets shut down, it gets closed off, gated off. They the typical reaction if you were to go to a d NR person and you report something like this, they're not going to tell you it's a big foot. Right, we live in Indiana, so they're not going to tell you it's a bear either. So I don't know what they would actually say that people went them there like this is again, they're just going to write it off. They're not going to give you any sort of information. But I thought it was strange that another area that's had a lot of weird activity is Okeep and Okeep, but now you can't go there either. Oh really they because that guy got murdered back there six seven years ago. Oh yeah, now they barricaded the whole thing off and it's all government land again. I used to go camping back there when I was in high school, but now you can't go out there. So again, that's just more land around the rivers that you're not able to access because the government's and DNR has taken over. The strange thing, too, is how many people see or have experiences with either a bigfoot or talk about the UFO phenomenon earlier that never reported, never never tell anyone. And I know that's the case because once I saw that, what I saw in the highway that night, those those orbs, I told everybody I could find at work. This is back when I used to work for Treilliborg Automotive. I was in there. I think you won't believe what I saw, And I told everybody, and you wouldn't believe the stories that were told back to me of experiences that they had had some point in their life that I said, you're serious, Oh yeah, And I'm like, did you ever said? Well, I know, we don't talk about it, but the number of stories that I was told about that just astounds me that how much stuff is going on that no one ever hears. Of what I told two people about cast us casting that footprint before I had an eyewitness account of a bigfoot two people, and she's like, oh, yeah, I saw one. I didn't ever want to tell anybody. But it's not really bigfoot related, but it is related to things that people experience that they don't talk about or dn R doesn't bring up. Just down the roads, the county line, you go back there, and there's that old factory that's back there. Behind that old factory they called a rattlesnake. Dn R identified it as a rattlesnake, even though they say we don't have rattlesnakes. Yeah, and I saw the pictures that they took of this rattlesnake. But if you look online, we don't have rattlesnake up here. Probably don't. So what other things are out there that aren't supposed to be here? Like I said before, we don't have wolf, we don't have bear, quote unquote. It doesn't mean they're not around, but I don't think that's what people are experiencing or seeing. And I see kind of a logical fallacy in the issue you brought up about people regardless of the evidence you provide, they're just not going to believe it. In that they say, oh, well, for me to believe in Sasquatch, I would need evidence. So you provide the evidence and they say, oh, well that that footprint's fake. Okay, Well then what do you need for me to. Give me something they're going to need? Then the body's fake, So what would you need? All we need proof? Okay, Well here's the proof's fake. You're not going to convince anyone unless and. So if you're just in the position, well this isn't real, Okay, then how is it? Because a bear didn't leave those footprints? There's not a person back in the woods at eleven o'clock at night clacking rocks in twenty degree brother for forty minutes. Where is I mean, without giving too much detail, where is the closest neighbor to where you live? Right across the road. So have you ever talked to them about No? I, Like I said, I spoke with the gentleman that owns the property. He lives down the next road. If you look at these houses, probably ordered were a little bit more a mile away from us, down another road. And he's he's one of those that think that there's a possibility of it. Now, he had never had any experiences. I don't think himself that he that he had, but he's always wondered, he. Said in term. So I don't know if you ever talked to a neighbor if they've ever heard anything or ever seen anything or everything like that. Again, it's taboo to bring it up to a neighbor because they're like, oh great, my neighbor's crazy. But it's just one of the things I was thinking about, is like, I wonder if anyone else around you's had heard the clicking, the clackings or not that. I'm aware now that we're aware of, but I mean our neighbor that to the our neighbor to the west of us. She swears that she saw a flying saucer back in the nineteen seventies fly over the power lines that run through the area. He said it, she says, I saw, I watched it, and she says it was it was amazing to me. Since I started posting online locally, some of these local groups about information, looking for people who have had experiences, looking for it's like I'm trying to do the documentary. I've had a lot of people reach out to me about UFO stuff. They don't want to talk about it because again they don't want to be labeled as crazy, but I've had like ten different people talk about recently seeing UFO stuff, which, again, the day and age we live in, there's a lot of things in the sky. Oh yeah. So I'm not saying everything's an alien or anything like that. But I'm almost at the camp now to think that Bigfoot, how must I mean, there's those that say it's tied to the UFO, and you almost thinks almost has to be, because otherwise we would have found a body. Otherwise, you know, there has to be something that they they're either taken away and we're you know, where they're not. They come down for a short period of time to do whatever it is they do and the way they go. But I have friends that are die hard flesh and blood believers, and maybe it is, but there's also a lot of weird activity. But then they can point out to where people never talked about any of this stuff until this point. Well, also, yes, I can see that that's also illogical in the sense that maybe it's just because no one reported it at that point, no one, Like we live in a day and age where things get reported more because we have the technology and communication capabilities but that doesn't mean that people aren't out there spreading a bunch of crapp either, So yeah, you have to take everything with a grain of salt. I see a lot of people posting stuff online and swear there's a big foot here, and they one hundred percent believe there's a bigfoot. But when I look at the photo, yeah, I just see a tree, like I seen, there's like a red circle or something around it. Like I don't, I don't see what they're saying there. Oh there's face here. I was like, well, that looks like paradolia to me, Like it's not. The increased amount of technology and everyone carrying it camera in their pocket now basically makes it harder for me to accept that they're here. Because with that many people, with that many, with that much technology in everybody's hands every day, you would think by now there would be more conk you know, the Patterson Gimlin film would not be the only concrete thing to look at. That they claim. Again, there's someone always has the scientific explanation as to why this is possible. But because everything's digital, they can't be picked up on digital because there are a different frequency wavelength than what we are so their vibrations don't get picked up. I was like, Okay, Patterson Gimlin used the old crank. There was no electronics to it, so that's how they got picked up. Well, we'll give it a shot with digitals. Well, maybe go get the old school crank crank film, get out on camera, get out the old crank film and see what you can find. Because supposedly the whole technology fields here doesn't do that. This camera over here, I have a hopax. It'd be constantly going off. But you can get those at Walmart for twenty bucks. So it's charity camera. They got night vision, all sorts of stuff on it. I was going to say, if you had a way of rigging it to where you could set up apples out back, but that's not in a location where they could see it. That has a pretty good draw to it. So I wonder if you did it from your house and you set it out towards the back line, if it pick something up. Yeah, I'm always looking into new things that we can. Like I said, the parabolic mic is something I bought just this last month. I mean trying to trying to find better ways to try to capture audio of it or a picture, or because I would love to have the clacking on an audio. When was the last time you heard clacking? I think the last clacking we heard was probably when my brother heard it when we found the footprints in the field. I believe it's about a year ago. The last time I personally heard it was that time in February. Well you've got one here in September of last year. Oh no, well that was yeah, that would have been the last one, Jacob, That would have been the Jacobs. Ye what I'm saying, Yeah, you've had the wood knocks, but the actual like rock. Cl rock clacking, yeah, doesn't seem to be as common as the tree knocks. The tree knocks we've heard a lot all throughout the year. A lot of people say tree knocks are woodpeckers. I was like, well, you can tell the difference between a woodpecker and them, right, yeah, knock on a tree. Again, everyone has something to say of how explain things a weigh? Yeah, to me, a tree knock is when you hear a bang. I mean, just you know, it's not it's not. Especially if it's bang bang bang bang bang. I mean, you're not going to have five limbs fall out of five different trees in secession that and that's kind of my biggest thing is like, how how do you take the fact that you find footprints, that you hear rock clacking, that you get patternized wood knocks, that you get reports that span one hundreds of years, thousands of eyewitness accounts. I mean, I can't. As somebody that studies things in that way, I can't. I can't discount that as being fake because that's too many things aligning for me to say, oh, that's just not real. But just because I don't want to believe it, right, and I don't, I don't see that as as a logical place to go to with it. Yeah, I don't. There's a lot of things that don't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah, I mean, you're not going to have that many things line up if it's just a bunch of people keeping a joke going, you know, throughout the years. They use crop circles as an example. There are so many intricate crop circles that appear in a matter of hours, and we're supposed to believe that nerds went out there with ropes and boards, ropes and boards and made all these intricate, gew logical looking or geographic looking things. There's no way in my mind that the couple guys did all this in a matter of three or four hours. Exactly the same with the cattle mulations, the same thing. Yeah, some of the pictures I've seen of some of the wounds on those cattle, you know, I mean almost if you almost have to look at it real close, almost say, a little zigzaggy like burnt patterned. A lot of the cuts, I'm like, what in the world. A lot of them say they've been like carterized hot cuts and there's no blood. There's no blood on the ground. Well, that's weird. If you cut an animal, it's gonna bleed. You're cutting where They're like, well, they're just being dropped off there afterwards. It's like, so you're telling me that some random person takes a cow out, removes a certain organ, drains all the blood, then drives it out miles away from civilization just to drop it there, just in case someone's going to randomly go out there and find it. That makes zero sense, exactly. I mean, that's the area is that a lot of that happens where where they find a lot of those just I mean there's no yeah, there's no populace out there. There, there's no fields there. There's no tracks or anything for anyone driving out there, so they'd have to be flown in. Well, something gonna bring a helicopter and lift a cow up, just like it's stupid. And that that was where I got to with the sasquatch thing. It's like, once I reached a point where the supposed rational explanation became considerably more ridiculous than just sasquatch exists, That's when I was like, well, yeah, of course it's real, Like there's not so there's a I mean, there's so we just have a guy in our woods that clacks rocks at night only sometimes and when it's really really cold outside, like a mile back in the middle of nowhere, and then he leaves weird footprints three months later. And then, like. I've tried to rationalize it in an explainable sense, let's just say it's not a big, hairy, bigfoot like thing. But let's say it's a descend enough man, like we had different evolutionary you go out route, like we had the Deanderthals all those other things. What if this was another offshoot and Bigfoot just what happens to be one of those things that still doesn't explain what people are seeing, right, that's. Kind of something is like, so just because you don't want to find an explanation to how something happened does not mean there's not an explanation. Something left footprints, something. Something left rocks in your house, that that. Did it get in your house? This is an excellent example. I had somebody tell me, so we had an Indian in our house? Yes, for something to leave rocks in the house, yes, it had to be in the house, correct teleport there? I had everything, do we have a h did I leave the garage door open? And did all? I don't know what animal get in the house, and is it wandering around and here at night? But then if it is, why would it have a pile of pebbles with it? I mean, I was trying to think of every logical explanation I could as to how a pile of little pile of stones would be on the carpet on the floor in the living room, on the carpet on the floor out in the kitchen, behind the dining room table. I could come up with nothing. I'm trying to rationalize a way to explain it. But there's no other explain There is no explanation. If you had mud on your foot, you'd drop clumps. You wouldn't be dropping right rocks. So that's a weird one. Do you have any have you had any more like things happen in your house that you've noticed? No? No, no, you're talking like just weird, weird happenings. Anything you ever find things come up missing, anything like that. You know now that you mentioned that my work bench downstairs, of course belonging to my father in law. He's passed now. And there are times that I go down to that work bench looking for something and it'll be right there, and I swear it wasn't there before, hanging on that particular spot. I've had that happen to me more than one time, to go down and want to get into I'm going to work on something. I'm thinking, you know, wonder if and then find or not necessarily a particular tool. I need something to fix this. And I'm kind of a divory kind of guy, and I'll find items that you use to repurpose to fix something, and I'll be looking for something I need. What would really make that happen, is this. I'll think that in my head can go down there and there it'll be laying on a shelf. Have you the work bench. You're not going to find anything right now. It's kind of a mess, but I've had That's the only other thing I could say that's ever happened at our place that it's a little odd to me that I would seems like things show up at that workbench. That without yeah, going into a whole lot of it. I know this area has a lot of history of what the Native Americans call little people. Are you familiar with like a Mound State Park in Anderson, No, there's lots of reports of little people, and they also call them punk wedgies. Out by miss Soinewall, they claim there's a bunch of punk wedges. They're like, look, they call them faith of basically like little They called it hobbit Land for a long time, but basically a little fairy looking humanoid things. It's again this is it's the wu side. But you have to understand, like there's been depictions of these things for hundreds and thousands of years across Europe. The Native Americans talked about them here. All the legends talk about these little creatures like they're almost like elemental spiritual type things. A lot of them are tricksters, so they claim that they can bring stuff in to gift you things, or they take things away from you to screw around with you, depending on how they act. Like a lot of people report a lot of their silver stuff come up missing, like silverware, money. I'm like, yeah, well, people can just missplace things. We've had that happen here though, and then all of a sudden we've got more back than when we ever had in the first place. Like we have a whole bunch more spoons than we've ever had, and I don't know where they've came from. Like a lot of them come up missing, and all of a sudden they came back with more. That's weird. You're growing spoons, yes, So. Yeah, I can't explain that to me. That's that's weird. But that's why I was asking I've had anything in the house, because from what I've been talking with other people, when you start asking questions, they actually, oh, yeah, like you just brought up the thing. A lot of people have these weird things around. Here, So I can't give you a specific item. But I just know that there's been times that I look for something that I didn't even wear, that I even had, and then you just show up right in front of my face. I'm like, that wasn't there, or I would have seen it. But usually if I'm looking for something, i ever find it in the first place, yeah, or if I end up finding it's completely in a play place where it never should have been. But I also have four kids in the house, so. And I've had a lot of like general paranormal experiences. It wouldn't necessarily fit into like Sasquatch territory. But me and my brother in Columbus, Indiana, when we were kids encountered this thing that was probably two and a half feet tall that we call the clown demon, and that that still this day we both remember it. But I thought it was a dream for the longest time. Well, you mentioned the size of it. That already fits the size of what I just was talking about. But it looked like a clown. Now, tell me about tell me about how it how it came. Well, that might be maybe that'd be another episode because it would kind of tie into the paranormal theme more so than Bigfoot unless you want to hear it. I mean, you want to talk about it. We can talk about an hour. We can talk about another time. So we've been going on for an hour and a half so far. If you want to wrap this one up, we can wrap this up. You can always come back another time and we can talk about more of the paranormal aspect. Yeah. I suppose we could do that. Yeah, because that's an interesting story. That was crazy. But yeah, well, guys, is there anything else you want to talk about before we wrap this one up? I don't think so. I, Like I said, the subject always fascinated me. And I don't know whether it's just the subject of the unknown not knowing, but I think it's because it's not knowing what it is that always intrigued me, whether it be UFOs, whether it be the Locked Desk Monster or Bigfoot, any of these things. The fact that so many people have seen it, so many people have experienced it, and it always fascinated But I never was a die hard believer in it, you know, I wanted it to be true, I suppose, just because of the sheer sake of fascination with it. But everything that we've I don't know where to move from there. Like I said, when we cast the print, it changed my. It became real. It became real in a way that was a little scary to me. Yeah, because now you have to you like the idea of it, but now knowing that this thing is out there, it brings up primal fear of it. Yeah. You know. The funny thing is, I'm not afraid. I don't. I don't feel fearful to go into the woods. I don't. I don't have any of that. It's more along the lines of I have to accept it in my mind that this is probably real. I don't have a problem believing that it could be real. I just have a problem with why they don't want us to know that it's real. Right, someone that somewhere has to know these things are out there. Yeah, and it makes me want to know why they don't want people to know about it is weird. I don't know how life would be impacted any different from now than what it would be otherwise. Other than I think a lot of different types of DNR activity, Like you can't do a lot of going to the park, you can't get down all these trees, you can't live here, you can't do all that stuff because like if they considered it like an endangered species. But other than that, like one thing, some would say that it's religion right, that the acceptance of such creatures or aliens or whatever it might be would throw the beliefs of a lot of people into question. Yeah, my mother was big on that. We used to talk about extraterrestrials a lot. In My mother was a huge, huge Christian, studied the Bible, and she would tell me that it's not no, We're the only human beings, were the only life forms that God created. And she would tell me why, And I would tell her, I'd say, but mom, God is so powerful and so capable, why would he not put civilizations elsewhere in the universe? Why would he not I said, Now, whether or not even allow him to come here? It might be another question, but I never discounted it because of that. And then kind of something I've thought about as far as Sasquatch goes, like you said, being a link evolutionary wise, what I think the problem is with the government, so to speak, for lack of a better term, telling people that something like sasquatch is real. Is the general consensus the scientific consensus is that we came from apes more or less. And I think that if we were to have definitive proof of a sasquatch that it is a separate creature from a human we did not descend from, because it still exists today, would prove that concept wrong. Yeah, And that's something that they do not want anybody one hundred percent knowing for sure, because that would, I mean, that completely destroys the idea that we came from apes. That the thing that we supposedly came from is still here, so we didn't come from it because it still exists, you know, in the same way that we didn't come from gorillas because we still have gorillas, you know. And I think that's a huge I. Think our DNA is what ninety eight ninety. Something person ninety six or seven, Yeah, like. For chimpanzee, right, so, but. It's still a very clearly distinct creature from what we are. That's what I was getting at, Like if we came from chimpanzee, but they're still chimpanzee and there was other evolutionary things be from the chimpanzee, Like how come mm hmm. I've asked this before, and I got lectured for being stupid. We're not seeing the evolution in the animals that we see in humans. Like if you look at our time frame from the last two thousand years, we've come a long way. Animals are still animals, like, they're not evolving. Yeah, what is special about human Well, that's. The function of DNA. The existence of DNA prevents something from turning into something else. That's what it does. I mean, you have for a gorilla to one day wake up as a human being, it has to have a watershed moment where it's DNA goes from gorilla to oh, I'm a human being. Now, there has to be that moment where it switches over. And that's just not how that works. It can't because it's DNA dictates what it is and what it will be, and it will what its ancestors will then turn into. In the same way that an oak tree is never going to produce a palm tree. That's the same that exists to prevent that from happening. And yeah, I think I think the existence of sasquatch is something that proves something that the government doesn't want proven. I think is my thought on it. I think there's a whole lot of guesswork because none of us have the answers. But at the end of the day, I think people are seeing something. You guys are experiencing something. A lot of people have experienced something. 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