Ep. 185: Sinister Sisters Paranormal

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us, and one. Of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. They're basically like. What are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. I like to think this time and welcome my guest tonight, Rachel and Jin thanks for coming on here talking to me. Yeah, thanks for having us, Thanks for having us. Not a problem. It doesn't matter to me which one goes first, but whichever one would go. Would you like to let us know a little about yourself? Yeah, absolutely, we cans. A good good for Rachel. It's all you, It's all me. Oh boy, no pressure, no pleasure. Well, originally from San Francisco Bay Area, moved to Nashville where I'm at now in twenty nineteen, right before everything went crazy. But yeah, out here I was able to find and connect with a paranormal team. I've kind of been interested in the paranormal basically my whole life, and it wasn't until I came out here that I just by I don't know, I don't call it chance, but it seemed like a chance meeting meeting someone who was on a team and she said, Hey, we might be looking for team members. If you're interested, just like reach out and and so I did, and you know, I was a part of that team for a little over two years. And uh then I work with Jen here and I've been telling her about some of the investigations we had, and you know, she was like, wow, you really do that. Yeah, yeah, And we just kept talking about it at lunchtime and and you know, and I it's kind of like, well, I'm not really happy where I'm at, and I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to do, whether I wanted to join another team or to go out on my own. And you know, Jen was one hundred sound supportive of like, if you want to do this, we'll do this. And she's like, I'm all in with you, and so kind of here we are. That's kind of how Sinister Sisters Paranormal came to be. And uh so, yeah, I'll turn it over to Jen. Yeah, so I am. I'm from the area from well, I was born in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, which is about I don't know, forty five minutes away from Nashville, but grew up in the military, was military brat, married into the military, so just you know, traveled everywhere pretty much until about ten years ago when we settled here in Tennessee. And yeah, you know, like I've always been interested in anything paranormal, anything spooky. I always attribute my love for creepiness to the old school Goosebump books by r Stein. You know, Scholastic book Club, what is it, you know the book fairs? Remember, Yeah, yeah, like that was like to get your Goosebump books. And it just really grew from there. And you know, met Rachel. She's actually my manager, boss, the boss dating and I mean even just during my interview with her, we just we clicked. We just had this instant connection. And the more we got to know each other, the more we discovered we had in common, and you know, co workers grew to friendship. Friendship grew to now we have a paranormal group. So yeah, it's crazy. It is crazy a lot of what's happened the past year. So it's the paranormal world has a way of bringing people together. It does. I didn't even know. I didn't even know there was a paranormal community until I met Rachel. So it's been it's been a really interesting experience and you know, I've met just through this journey, you know, in such a short amount of time, I've met some really really great people passionate about it. And it's kind of cool because like you know, when you're meeting somebody, they already like the same things you like, So it just makes that connection and it's just so much easier to talk to people that you already know you have a commonality with a right, Yeah, yeah. What are some of the topics you guys are wanting to discuss here tonight? Usually the format of the show is the experiences you've had. Oh we can share, Yeah, our experience for us, Yeah, it's been like a wild ride this this past Like it's not quite been a year, but like woof mm hm, we've had We've had some crazy experiences and so yeah, some cool, I say crazy, but it's crazy cool. Yeah, trade it for the world, you know. It kind of we kind of like started like our first sort of maybe pre investigation was was like with another team and they had like their event, and like it started, we connected with we got put into this group with these other two people who are now like we consider them kind of like our mentors. They're very you know, in touch with like the their spiritual side, which is kind of like helped open me up a little bit. I think I always knew I was I was sensitive, but I didn't like really know to like degree. I think that for a while I shut it down, you know. And you know now that I've you know, been in the community and out investigating and you know, I guess more open to it, I really kind of like leaning in on it. So but yeah, at that location it was in it was in Kentucky. It was called the Old Stone Jail, and it was also the Historical Society, which is like two buildings or ones right across the street from each other. And we had the opportunity to investigate both locations. And I think we started out the investigation like upstairs that the Historical Society set up like a museum so people could go in there and take tours and they have like you know, little sections showcasing things about the town and and then just periods of time. And it used to be like the building definitely has some history to it. It was like a auto like auto parts manufacture at one point, and then and then it became like a textile workers like plant. I guess they used to manufacture all different types of textiles. So the building definitely has history. And uh and that night it was just it just happened to be popping. Yeah. Yeah, I think like our first experience happened like we were upstairs and uh, we kind of had in this little small group that we were put in. You know, we had like we had some cat balls, a rampod, we had like spirit talker app going, which is kind of like the spirit box like for your phone, and you know, we just started like trying to open communication up. And I think the first thing that happened that night that we kind of like kind of skipped over to the good part. But the first thing was that rampod. Do you remember that rampod. It was kind of like it was being activated so much. We had to change the big because. Batteries kept dying in the rampod. Yeah, after we put brand new batteries in it, like did that like three times that night in that one building. It's just like that whatever energy was there really was like like that die for some reason. Yeah, but you know, we were kind of like starting to open communication, and as we're starting to do so, like both Jen and I heard this, like it sounded like a music tune that comes from like the sound of like a jewelry box music tune. So it's a tinny little tune that played, and it was nothing but just a few notes of the tune, and I think we looked at each other and. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I just thought, I was like, there's no way I just heard that. And I looked at Rachel's face and I like immediately I was like, did you hear that? Yeah, it was like, yeah, I have music. And then like only a few moments later, like we heard it again, but from a completely different end of the building, and we tried invested, we tried to bunket. We were looking all over that floor to see if we could find something anything that made that kind of sound, that could make that sound. We found like old radios, we found like you know, like I think there was a piano or an organ or something. Yeah, And we even asked the guy who is like running it for the for the evening that was there. You know, we could like asked some questions and stuff and we're like, do you have anything that would make like that kind of music to him and it was like, I can't think of anything that would do that. Yeah, it was nuts. It was Yeah. I was like I can truly say that was my first legitimate paranormal experience that you know, I couldn't explain. I just couldn't explain. So we had that that was just recently. Huh, that was just this past year basically. May, yeah, May. May have last year, Yeah, I think it was May. Yeah. Yeah, So it was cool. It was neat and definitely you know, it gives you the the the urge to want to keep going. You know, you're like you get that rush and then you're like what next, you know next? So yeah, it was it was. Cool and that wasn't really the only experience that night. I beout that night. Beginning. I was just the beginning. Yeah, I had another. I had another experience. So across the street the jail, the it has a jailer's residence, you know that you know, the family would live in. And we were in the like I guess the I don't know bedroom, bedroom, the bedroom where the family would sleep. And you know, we're all on the floor and I think we had the spirit box, you know, in the middle, just in the rampod. And we were asking questions and there was a tap, Like so I was sitting in front of this cabinet that had like a glass pane, and and the tapping was happening inside the cabinet on the glass as everybody was asking questions, and I was in such denial, such denial about it, and I was hoping nobody, you know, I was just like, Okay, I'm not going to acknowledge this, like this isn't happening, like it's a total fluke. But it was like it was pretty like I mean like there was no denying that. You know, you could hear it. We all heard it. Yeah, yeah, I think you said something or Justin said something. Yeah. They were like do you hear that tapping? And everyone's like yeah yeah, and I'm just sitting there like, don't look at me. And I was like, from your area. She was like it was freaky. It was freaky, it was cool, and it kind of freaked me out. But after I like chilled out and really thought about what was happening, I was like, Okay, let's go at this, like, let's do it again. You know, it's it's it's just ready, I'm ready, you know, because then you start wondering, well, why, like what's causing it? What's there? You know, where's it? What's really I mean, who's trying to make contact? You know? And you just now then you start wanting answers to two questions. So after that night, I was in in it for life. Like so you got your official like jump in like you're you're part of the gang now, yeah, yeah, yeah. How many different places if you've investigated so far together. Do we have? I'm like, let's see, we did Stone, we did oh, we did oh, and we did the funeral home and before. Oh and Lynchburg, Yeah, Lynchburg, and we did the jail in Lynchburg too. Remember because it's the funeral from jail. Yeah, the state brush. Uh, Thomas Thomas, Thomas House. Yeah, Thomas House. Yeah. We also did recently, we did Smith County Smith, I don't know, well at like. Nine and then well we kind of did that mini investigation downtown Historic Springfield Jailer. Yeah. Oh Memphis. Oh, we can't forget Memphis. We can't forget I can't forget the cemetery. We'll never forget the cemetery. We'll never forget the cemetery. Eleven eleven. Eleven in less than a year, less than a year. Yeah, yeah, it's quite a bit. Yeah. What I was going to ask is, I know, for around here people there are certain ones that they go to, but sometimes they have to pay. Oh that's is that something you had to do too? Oh yeah, I think always had almost every location. Yeah, I think that's kind of strange in a way. I get it to an extent, But at the same time, it's like where's the money going. Yeah, a lot of them, like like for example, Oldstone Jail in the Historical Society. That money goes into the historical Society so that they can keep sort of their museum and keep the buildings and everything, so they keep history alive. Essentially, it houses all the town's like records and everything over the years, which is pretty kind of cool in itself. And it's kind of the same thing. Oh, I think we forgot one else that we've hit twelve. We forgot Octagon because we did Octagon. We did Octagon. Oh and Justin's thing too when we did it, Oh thirteen. Ah, what was the. Name of it? I did, say, a metropolitan hotel. Yeah, yeah, so we did thirteen thirteen. Geez. Okay, So I think I've done too in my entire life. You've done too. Only two there to be gone. Yeah, they were just places around here locally. I'm in the middle of doing a documentary and actually some of these locations were supposed to be in the documentary, but one location is no longer available. Someone was murdered out there a few years ago. Now they've shut it down to where you're not allowed to even go out there. Oh wow wow, Okay, Yeah, that would have been a good documentary. Is like true crime and yeah, paranormal there's two of my favorite things. I still may make my way out there, I just gotta be careful about it, going gorilla style. Yeah, exactly, rolling there like a nature Make sure you have a decoy. Twin. The area is part of the local Native American tribe from around here, and one of the tribes members got permission to be involved with the documentary and talk about some of their local stuff, and he said, this land used to be there. So the excuse is going to be this is their old burial lands. How are they going to tell them they're not allowed to be on their own lands. So I don't know if that's going to work for the people to say, we're not supposed to be back there, but that is it was part of their old lands. So yeah, yeah, that's sad. Yeah, even I can't tell I've been told you can't come back to the place that you've called home. They've they've barricaded the road off. It's an actual road itself. If they don't allow you to go all the way down the road anymore. Wow, weird place. Yeah is it? Where is it? Exactly? I mean, where are you at exactly? I'm in Indiana. It's been uh oh okay. Yeah it is in north central Indiana. The documentary I'm doing is about the weird stuff all around this local area. It's not just paranormal, but there's a lot of weird cryptid stuff too. Yeah, a lot of UFO stuff. And I've done a lot of research into it. I've mapped out stuff, and everything seems to be all centralizing this one location. So it's kind of strange within like a fifteen mile radius, there's so much activity in this one spot. Do you think there's anything about that land in that fifteen mile radius that could be attributing to that type of activity. Yeah, I'll talk to you off air about everything. I don't want to. We're like we're ready to dig into that. Yeah, I'll fill you in about a hair off their Okay, okay, Well. We have our theories about stuff. So yeah, because we find out that in a lot of the locations that that we investigate, there are you know, quote unquote haunted that it seems more than likely it's not just the building itself, that there's something under the building in the land that it may be either retaining the energies or amplifying the energy. And whether that's like stone meaning like a quartz, granite, limestone, or and or i should say water that has something to do with it. Yeah, because we'll just say the water is very prevalent in what I'm researching. Yeah, because isn't even like an osph Isn't there like a natural spring? There is? Yeah under yeah yeah, and even octagon. Isn't there something octagon I feel in that area? Yeah? Yeah. Like I said, so we have our all we can talk like, we've got theories. So and we have the gift for gab. Yeah, definitely, definitely happy gift of gab. So, out of the thirteen roughly investigations you've done, what's the one that stands out the most to you? Oh, I'm gonna have to say, o sph. You know what else we forgot? Martin Walton House. Oh that's right. How can we forget that? I don't know what we did that was because and the reason why I remember. It's like, what's probably your most memorable I'd have to definitely say they recent visit to the Martin Walton House and then OSPH. So yeah, yeah, both were. It was nuts, absolutely nuts. Yeah, yeah, to care to share what happened? Yeah, I mean Osph, it was just like the whole building. It was like so many of the floors were active in different parts of the building. I think like the very first thing was like down this one hallway. So OSPs is old South Pittsburgh Hospital. It's kind of like right outside of Chattanoo that Tennessee in in the town of South Pittsburgh. And uh, you know it used to be it wasn't just it was like a hospital, but it was also then after like the hospital sort of decided they were going to expand and they wanted to move the hospital to a different location. Then it was kind of like turned into like a psych hospital, I guess, or psycheboard. So and that that was mainly like on the third floor of the building. And so we had activity like on that second floor. We were down we were in this hallway and there are all these patients rooms on each side of the hallway. And I. Was using a thermal camera and what we picked up down that hallway was it looked like there was it looked like the outline of people outlined in blue. Like you know, if a person's if a person on thermal camera, if it's a person, like a human being, it's usually what you'll see is it be either like bright white or like like a reddish white to it. So because the heat that's coming off the person's body. So this was blue, which indicated that it was cold. It was much colder than anything around. And what we noticed was that there was a there was one of these in front of every patient room, kind of standing in the doorway of every patient room, down both sides of the hallway. And so one of the investigators that was with us just and he's he's very gifted and sensitive, and you know, he went down that hallway and he was like, you know, I think their children. And when you could see, like, cause you can actually use the thermal camera. You can use either and take still photos or you could take videos with it, and so I did a bit. I did both, but you could see, like in the video and in the in the still pictures, like he's in the hallway and they move from being in front of the patient rooms to where they're like surrounding him. And they're much shorter than he is. I mean, he's a tall guy essentially, but but they were much shorter. They were shorter than me and I'm five to two, so that's pretty short. And you is like saying it was childlike energy, and you know, he was like I can feel he was actually where his hands were he was like, it feels cold around and legitimately you could see that those energies that went around him were much colder than the surrounding. So that was like that Saint Paul. He also had the cap ball, yes, in one of the rooms, so like he went into just a room and you know, it was like a conjoint. There's two doors, but it's one conjoined room. And we're in the hallway as he's in there, and out of nowhere, we hear something hit the wall hard and the cap ball rolls out of the room lit up, and Justin's trying to process like what just happened, and all of us are like, oh my god. He's like, what was that? Were like a cat ball? He's like, no way, and he's like that was insane. So and the cap ball still stopped and then it started rolling again, and that cat ball got thrown so hard that it's one of the cap balls that are you know some of them have the little any Audi button to turn them on. Yeah, yeah, well the button to turn it on is like permanently stuck so hard against the wall. And he said he didn't know what flew past him, but he heard it was like right past him and he was like, what the hell happened? Yeah, you know, and we're just spassing out in the hallway because we didn't know, Like we're like wait a minute, We're like, did it just get thrown at you? And he was like, uh, yeah, I think I got thrown at me. It was like, okay, it's off the hook. And then we were in front of the nurse's station, right, because that was where the nurse that was her Betty or something that yeah, yeah, that died in the ship. There was like a nurses station and she went into the restroom that was behind the nurses station and she she had a heart attack and died there. And so we were kind of like sitting in that area and we're just kind of like trying to talk communicate with something and see if anything would communicate back. And I think that's where we caught that the evidence of like the voice that was heard. Yeah. Yeah, So we were talking about and we were just all together like talking and we started, I think you started saying, are you hearing that? Like you're hearing like like soft bangs, and and then we heard what sounded like footsteps. Was like this weeak of like tennis shoes on like the floor, like almost like maybe nurse's shoes, you could say. It was just it just sounded like that. And I was like, are you hearing footsteps? Are you hearing noises? And there? And then everyone's like, yeah, yeah, I'm hearing it. And then there was a voice I heard whisper something. I didn't know what it said, but I was like, because I said right after the whisper, I was like, did somebody just whisper? You know? And we caught on our digital recorder and it was a voice that's it's just in a whispery voice. We were able to like crank the sound up so we could actually hear it, but that was that was pretty crazy. Yeah yeah, and then we still had like I think throughout that night we had like different shadow figures. Remember down in like the er area. There was that one that was like against the back wall that was huge like tall m and uh. We had that, and then the little one that looked like a little boy with his mom in the waiting room. They were sitting on the chair and it was making like it was making like one of the I think it was the rempod too. We get over there it was making it go off. Yeah, it was just a lot. There was a lot that night. There was a lot that night it was. And then the third floor was with me. Yeah, that third floor was where the psych floor was. And also I think before it was the site ward up there it had like where the nursery was for babies that they mean being born, and so we went over kind of in that area. And when I wanted to do like I bought like I think I have about what we have like maybe twenty twenty five or something like that, cat balls, Yeah, and my whole thing was I wanted to take them and like line them down like the hallway and see where we could get like to go off, if we could get like them to like go multiple in a row, or if we could say, hey, can you light up the one in the middle or the one at the end or that kind of thing, and just see if anything would change from that. And so we decided to do that right in front of the nursery, and that was I think there was like three of us, you mean Greg, that were out of the nurse outside in that hallway, and then there was like how many of three or four of them? Kaylee justin Alyssa five five yeah, yeah, yeah, five in the in the nursery, yeah yeah, and uh, you know they were like saying, you guys got to come in here, you know, we gotta we gotta, like you gotta feel this energy. But I was like, but the cat balls were just starting to go off in the hallway. But it was interesting was that it was the ones that were the furthest away from us, and I was like, you know, the light up the ones closer to us, and it wouldn't do it. And maybe it would come like light up one closer to the end, but it wouldn't like come closer to us. And I was like, well, maybe we do just need to go into the nursery and see if we can still get them to go off. And I think it was in there. That you could see in the hallway while you were in the nursery. So yeah, so that like you know, when babies would probably be in there and then people could like through the glass view the bay. But we were in there and like people started getting what feeling uncomfortable. Yeah, Sad wanted to cry, you know, just heavy. And one of our rules is, you know, we want you to be safe we want you to feel safe. We you know, if you're uncomfortable, let us know, and you know, we'll we'll go to a different spot, you know, we'll remove ourselves from that particular area and get you in a place where you know, you you feel safe. And one of the investigators there, she was just like, I can't, I can't do this, you know, it's it's too much. And I think it was Justin, you know, Justin was like, well, there is an energy here, but I think it's not. I think it's trying to it's portraying to be something that it's not. He says, I think it's trying to come off as a child, but it's not a child. And I think I can't remember what he asked, but he was like, I think he said something to the extent of, you know, if you're not a child, you know, will you turn will you make the cat ball go off? Or something? And all of the cat balls in the hallway lit up at one time, and the cat ball in the nursery, and that's when all of us were like, I'm out, Like that's it, I'm good. We were freaking out, like we could not. Believe Alyssa is like having a very emotional she was like and she was like that, and we asked her, is this like, are you truly feeling sad? And she was like, I don't it's not me. It's like it's like I'm emotional, but it's not me that's feeling this way. I feel like it's something that's making me feel like sad. And she was like, I don't like it. I don't like it. And we were like, okay, you know that's you feel uncomfortable, we'll grab our things and we'll go downstairs. And as soon as we did, like everybody felt so much better. I think we were all kind of feeling I don't know. It was just like just a weird energy, just a very anxious energy, very you know, overwhelming, overwhelming feeling. So yeah, that was that was os p H. That was crazy night. Hot night too. What I think it was July? No, No, all I know is it was hot. It was hot and damp and dark, and but we had no air conditioning, no air conditioning, no lights, right, no lights except a lot in the main area where you walked in and a few and like the you know, the hub, but I want to go back. Yeah, I think that was my that was at least that was my second time with the back Okay, yeah, so and I think like the first time I was there had activity, but like from like from then to when we went, it was like, oh my god, it like like the energy just went a little crazy once again. You know, our philosophy behind the people that you're with, the energy that your people you're with, you know, positive juju brings a lot of stuff. So yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's always that's always how like from the get go when we when Jen and I were creating kind of our how we do investigations and how like we wanted our team to investigate, we were always like, this is what what we wholeheartedly believe in, is that we believe in positive like intention that we just want to want when we're going into a space, it's like we don't want to provoke, we just want to we want to encourage like communication and say like we respect you. We just want to hear your story. You know. That's all we're here to do is just you know, talk to you. And yeah, it's it's like worked. I mean like like every location we always have, you know something some experiences that are positive. So I had a couple questions, yeah, and not going to say they're loaded questions, but they could be. What is it about the paranormal that brings people to want to look into the paranormal? Like, I understand the excitement of it, but why is it exciting? Oh? I think it's almost like I think you actually described it like that night that you had your first experience that you said it was like a roller coaster that you didn't want to get off. You were like after the roller coasters over there, like let's go again, you know, because it's like you're adrenaline or something like. I think if the possibility it's because I feel like we're in, you know, in our society. It's like things are black and white, you know, it is what it is, and the possibility of the gray, you know, is so intriguing, and it just it just makes you want to learn more. It makes you want to try to find proof that there's more to what we just see in front of us, you know. And I think it's like the big question that is like, well, it's probably a twofold question, right, It's kind of like why are we here? Why are we here? How do we get here? Yeah? Why are we here and what al what happens after this physical existence and you've died and you want to know? So it's like a Scooby Doo mystery. You're kind of like, I want to solve this, you know, You're kind of like I want to get to the bottom of it. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I think that's what keeps us go back. Yeah, that was going to be the follow up to it. It's like. All of the paranormal stuff, what do you think it actually is? I think it's energy. Me personally, I think it's energy. And I think it's energy that's just still just here, you know, from from where's it go when you're when you're physical beings? You know, if you think about like what is h is Einstein's theory that. Energy can't be destroyed? Correct, Energy can be created, but it cannot be destroyed. So yeah, it's not like that's what I think. But I also have like because I like co host another podcast and we've talked to two people who like experienced like it, have had and investigate UFOs, cryptids, like paranormal all of it. And what a lot of people are saying is the same thing is that they're feeling like that there is a multi dimensional aspect to some of this phenomena of this happening, and that maybe like yes, one our spirit or whatever leaves this body is just on another dimension that coexists at the same time as our physical one, and that you know, sometimes those intersect at certain places, in certain places of power, and maybe those places that's why they're so significant, is because that's where that energy can be like amplified so that we can then sense it pick it up. So the whole other parallel universe interdimensional. That's like You've mentioned that it gets thrown out a lot, but I've actually considered it in the sense that without trying to go off on a tangent, okay, basically it makes more sense to me personally if that was the case, rather than saying someone's spirit was still haunting this place or whatever. And then I always hear people say, oh, that great, the cemeteries are haunted, and I'm like, why would the cemetery be haunted? Well, you got all the dead people there. I was like, yeah, but that seems really strange that they're gonna haunt cemetery because think about how many hundreds of people are there so I get to know what spirits want. Why would they be haunting that place? What's significant to that cemetery them other than were their bodies buried? M So. I don't know the ins and outs of the paranormal aspects. I don't think anyone really does. But I've always wondered that maybe the things that people are seeing, like these shadow people, what if they're just something on a higher frequency, a different plane that it's normal for them. What if we're the shadow people to them? Correct, Yeah, but if we're the ghost, what if we're the ghost you know on. Their planing existence. Yeah, a lot of people have that that feeling like shadow people aren't like ghosts, but they're a whole different different things. Yeah, a whole different thing. Like the shadow people is a whole nother thing. And every time that we've experienced like the shadow people, it's always like they're standing away and they're observing, and they're not really interacting as much as they're like curious, like hey, you know, what are they doing? And then they'll draw back, and if you kind of advance towards them, they back away, like it doesn't seem like they want that direct interaction. That's just yeah, I've heard a lot of people talk about shadow people, but you never hear of the shadow people doing anything to them. Correct. But I've heard people talk about polter guys, but they're not actually seeing things. They're just seeing objects being thrown at them, or cabinet doors opening or all sorts of weird stuff happening, but they don't actually see anything. And then you get the residual stuff where people see the same exact thing all the time in the same exact location, like it's a timestamp. It's always doing the same exact routine. And actually, Jen and I are going to do a couple of workshops shops at Para cons that were scheduled to go to and we're going to talk about stone tape theory and place memory, and that's essentially what the residual is. So again, that's kind of tying back to something that is causing that that energy to be stored there a lot of times it's within rock. The white stone tape theory is acting like it recording the information. And the courts is a very good example of that because we use courts within computers to store memory for like computer chips, and so you know why can't store other forms of energy, right, and just like play it again under the same like circumstances and you get this like residual haunting. A lot of times it could be something traumatic, like a murder happened and it's replaying. That over and over. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, or or just like sometimes like a civil war would be a good one too, where they catch like soldiers just going about, you know, like they're marching with everybody else and they're not really they're not interacting with the people, the physical people around. They're just going about their business like they did back in the day. So yeah, I've heard stuff from other people where they've had investigations where you hear the footsteps of something walking above. Oh yeah, we were just at a place and I can't talk about it on air because we've been sworn to secrecy. But there's a local place that we've been to just kind of scouting out for the documentary, and a lot of people have told me about just having an easy feeling in this place. But I went in there and I didn't really think much of it. To me, it just seemed like an old building and I don't know, it's not that I'm not in touch with the paranormal because we have a lot of weird stuff that happens here in my house. But maybe I'm just immune to it at this point because I'm so used to it, like it doesn't really fayse me, like, so I just typically ignore a lot of it because it's okay, Like, yeah, I get a it's. Just like another day. Yeah. I have cameras out here now, and every once in a while, my camera gets tripped because it picks up movement. But this is my studio. There's nothing out here but me, and I'm not out here, so it's recording and it picks up shadows moving, and it picks up things moving on my wall while there's no way that should be doing that by itself. So I have those videos, but I'm just like, I can't explain it. But it's like I am not saying it's paranormal either, because I don't know what else it would be. But I never go right to paranormal. I always try to rule out anything I can before you jump into the paranormal aspects. When random stuff happens. I mean, like even with this past week, Rachel, like your calculator just kept going off you know, she's got one of those old school you know, do do do do do? You know prints out on the receipt paper, and it just kept going off. By itself and we could figure out. I was like bang, I mean like banging next to it. I was like, what the heck? Yeah, Like, why is in this randomly going off? And then like you said this this morning my computer, You're like, Jen, your mouse is moving and I'm like. Like I can see the cursor like somebody's using the computer on the screen, and I'm like, you know, so I'm like, oh, I think I just saw your mouth move from like the top of the screen all the way down. I was like, okay, yeah, you know. And which funny thing is Like even Kendall mentioned it in the in the chat that she and and Kaylee both have seen something they thought was like a shadow of something in the office. Yeah, I believe it is this. An older building that you're out of. I don't know. I don't know I think it. I mean I don't. I would say it's probably ninety at least now. I was gonna say before. That, in the eighties. Yeah, I was going to say somewhere around like maybe seventies eighties, Like, so it's not like terribly old, but yeah. My house is fifty you know, it's ancient. Oh god bangs, say my house isn't much older than I am, so I can always say a whole lot. But yeah, well again, maybe it's not the house. Maybe my house is built on. Yeah, that's where I kind of lean into. I think it's this entire area because again we are in the specific region to where there's so much strange activity, So I think it's all tied into a lot of the stuff from just in general location wise. Yeah, I think they call it like it's kind of similar to like skin Walker Ranche, like where they're like high strangeness happens, like there's so much activity and like I can go down that road of tangent, but I'm the tangent myself because I just love that find that so intriguing. But yeah, I ultimately that there's probably probably a portal there that that kind of buttons it all up. All the activity the skin Walker, the the paranormal, like they were getting like ghosts and in the in the homesteads and they were getting UFO crafts just seen all over the place, going into the mesa disappearing into something, you know. And yeah, I've always wondered if they've ever done like any sort of like not so much excavation, but like trying to figure out, like drilling down so far unto the ground to see type of materials underneath all of them. They've tried to drill a bunch into right now there, they've been trying to drill into the mesa and everything. Every time they're they're keep hitting something and they have like they've gotten the spoils out of that from digging, and they've gotten like metallic stuff, and that's and the drill bit is supposed to be like one that should be able to easily penetrate the rock of that mesa, and it's like hitting something metallic and like they can't go past it. It's something so hard that the drill can't get through it. And in fact, like I think the very first time they drilled it broke the drill bit. It was that hard. And then they tried to do it again and they can't. They keep bumping up against something where they think it's dome shaped in there. So a lot of them lean to saying like maybe it's a craft inside the mesa because they've seen where there's like UAP stuff just flying from the sky into the mesa. Is like where how are they getting in there? Like how what is happening? You know, it's just it's weird. Stuff like that makes me put my tinfoil hat on, like there you go ahead, my little head behind me with a tin foil hat on there. Yeah, but that, Uh, I would be afraid if they ever did come across something like that if I was those people actually out there and they knew that they were drilling into this and they don't know what they're drilling into, what they end up unlocking when they bust through. Well, I don't know if you saw, Like there was a guy that that works I think he's like manager or something of the ranch, and uh, they were drilling like directly into the ground and he got like really sick that he went to the hospital and he ended up having like this swelling happening into in his brain. And they actually did like a whole like CT scan and you could see there was like this weird you know, bubble on his head in it. And so they say they don't like to drill because something bad always happens to somebody, and you know, so they were like they tried, they did drill another hole in there, and when they were going, like when they first started drilling down into the straight into the ground, they started getting like people were saying they were tasting like metallic in their mouth. And the astrophysicist one there was kind of like, whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody stop because that tells me there there might be radiation or something. So he goes over there with like a guy your counter and and there's like radiation and there's also electromagnetic that they're picking up, and he's like, we need to stop, like because this may not be safe for people. But like, what the hell is in the ground that they're getting You're getting radiation readings and you're getting like electromagnetic readings that are going off the chart. It's like, what is happening in this place? Like very weird. There was something definitely strange about it because of who owned a prior in the military's. Involvement to it, Bigelow. They don't look into random stuff, like there's reasons they go to these places, so there was already something that drew them to that location. Yep. And the natives were there, Like the Native people have said for a long time. I mean, they're the ones who kind of said that's the skin walker that's here and the whole history behind that. And they really still say they've had, you know, the Native American that lived, they've lived in the area. They've brought them out and they've actually done some experiments with them there. And but they say that the stories go on for generations, that this there's a portal here, that's what comes and goes. Why they've always say spaceman you know, has come and gone from that area for generations and they just coexist with it, right, they just learn like, Okay, this is here, this is what we've lived with. But like they're more they're very much more are like you know, I think spiritual in that regard, Like they always know if they came from the stars. They always like, that's the tales that have been passed down. I don't know which tribe lived in that area, but I know the hope they were out I think in Arizona area, and they always talked about star people. That's where they came from, was the star people. Yes, I think they had that what an a Sazi or something like that. Where the the people. Yeah, I think that the ones in I'm trying to remember the ones in skin Walker because I know the whole. There were like two tribes that were going kind of warning against each other, and I think it was one tribe kind of curse the other with the skin Walker and said, you know you're the. Whole skin Walker thing. Was it a Navaho? Yeah, yeah, Navaho, but they were I want to see if it comes up and s see if I can remember the whole. I actually met one of the guys from the show a while back, and who was it. It was Thomas Okay. Yeah, he's the one that had the his brain swell, Thomas winterton Yep. Yeah, I talked to him a little bit. I might actually reach out to her about doing an episode. I'm like, I find it interesting, but you know that I'm not as educated on that. I watched a couple episodes, but I don't think I think, you know, I don't know. I watched the first few episodes when it came out, and then we ended up moving. This was back in twenty twenty, and where we moved to for two months, we didn't have access to basically high speed internet or anything to actually watch on TV, and then we moved into this house and I've just never caught back up with it. It's something and I need to actually look into I just. Know, Oh Will, I think you'll be fascinated by it, because they really try to do experiments and see if they could really like something, you know, and. It's I used to love all those shows, but I always I feel like nothing ever really happens. I've donated so much time to all these seasons of different shows like this, and then I'm always disappointed. Because like the first of Oak Island, Yeah, yes, yeah, I still love Oak Island, like Twesday Nights are Oak Island. Yeah. I have hope for them. I do. It's been like twelve thirteen seasons now, thirteen years they've been doing this and still fine. Like it's interesting what they pulled out of the fine around them. Yeah, I don wonder how much money they've spent doing this to where. I think the show itself is what's helping to really fund it. Like I think initially it was Marty and Rick like putting the the money in. But you know, I always thought it was Marty because Rick just seemed to be the tag along because his brother was the one that runs his big winery billionaire. Company or engineering company or something. It's his partner. His partner, Craig Tester too, is like Marty's partner, and he's kind of in on the show too. He puts his money and so I think it's been they call it like the Fellowship of the Gigs. So I think it's a bunch of them at this point, like put their money in. I think they own most of the land now too, except for like a small section of them. Yeah yeah. And then I think they're going to have legal issues if they actually were to discover something. I think the historical societies up there is going to want their cut up. They're not a locate, yeah yeah, because they're like, okay, everyone wants. A piece of something that. Oh yeah, I always say everyone's got their hand out. Yeah. I think that's why they're going on to like a whole like bringing in the school, like having like Lairdnip and who's like the archaeologist. They're having like that whole team so they can say they're doing things by the book and they're trying to make sure they get the appropriate permits and everything to follow everything to a tea so that they don't get into legal trouble down the road. But you know, it's still gonna be the same thing. People are, like you said, they're gonna come after it. There's really they find like two tons of silver down there is going to be like yeah, okay, yeah, or cut. I've always wondered though, if they can't get to it now, whoever put it down there was never going to get back to it either. So if there is something down there, it was never meant to be found found or there's nothing there in the first place, and they just keep digging. But some of the stuff that they originally dug out like hundreds of years ago, you can't always believe what was said on years ago. Like there's all sorts of myth and legends, So who's to say that some of the stuff that they've said they've recovered and how it was set up, it all could just be a big I want to say, a hoax, But like, you don't know how it originally originated. So everyone's been devoted to trying to find this stuff since like the seventeen hundred, So who knows what's even there or how it was even about, Yeah, you know, we've been going on for almost an hour. Is there anything else you'd like to talk about? Oh, we could talk all night long, Brandon, No, I mean. Yeah, I think yeah, we kind of shared. I mean we got Yeah, we can talk a little bit about what we got coming up. Like, yeah, we're going to be at a like I said that, they mentioned we're going to be at a few para cons doing some workshops. I think we're doing the one in West Virginia. Forget what that this is like April you have your thing that is, and then I think we're doing. April twelfth, April eleventh and twelfth. Yeah, that's a West Virginia. Yeah, West Virginia Penitentiary. Yeah, West Virginia Penitentiary para con. I will make sure to have this release before all that. I'm usually about six to eight weeks ahead of release schedule, but I'll make sure this one falls in March that way, and anyone listening can come out there to that. Thank you, yeah, and then we'll be up at it. Yeah, we have an investigation here in Tennessee. There's a non investigat well, there is an investigation with it, but it's the Shadows and Spirits para con and that's May third, Okay, May third, that and at the Thomas House, which is a it's a hotel, but it's haunted as well, so they're going to do an investigation like along with that para con. Yeah, and then we're going to be up in Rock Island, Illinois doing the Esoteric Expo, and then we're also doing the Women in Paranormal Conference in August in August, so we've got all those going on, and we've got in between that, we've got our own investigations we're going to be doing locally. We're going to do Truesdale. There's a historic home that's a Truesdale place. We're doing that in investigating that in March, and then in April we're going to be at the Eurashrine, which is in Bristol, Tennessee, and that's we're excited for that because that has a lot of different a lot of phenomenon, a lot of areas to explore there. Yeah, you know, and then we've got some some bigger stuff. I actually will be on Facebook on Saturday Saturday night going Facebook Live with the goat the group Ghosts of Tennessee. Because we're going to be investigating with them and a few locations for an upcoming a few episodes of a show that they're working on. So we're excited about that. So we'll be going to a couple of bigger locations. Well, we're starting with a funeral home in February and then and then we're going to uh hopefully we'll go into Brushy, yeah, Frushy Mountain State Penitentiary and in June and that it was the other place, so we talked about Waverly, We. Talked about Waverley possibly trans Alleghany. Oh yeah, you're trying to make trans Alleghany. Yeah, asylum. And then we're also going with Nightmare Explorers. We're going to Ashmore estates in UH, Ashmore and states in Illinois, Edinburgh, edinburgurgh manor in Iowa. So we're doing that as well. So we're collaborating with a few other teams and exploring outside of our region. M hm. So I thought I had a lot of stuff set up for this year. I know one of our goals was that we wanted to start traveling, and bye, gosh, we're doing it. We're like all in. That's us. That's how we do it all or nothing. Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you. Yeah, you as well. We're having us not a problems. Yeah. 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