Ep. 189: The Bone House & Ohio's Lost Giants

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact with this thing and don't like death. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tels. I'm your host Brandon Tonight. I am joined by my guest Joe. Joe is from the two to two Paranormal podcast. You want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself where we dive into it. Yeah, first off, thanks for letting me on the show. This is great. I know we met before and we had a good conversation, but to actually do a show with you, this is awesome. I'm really proud to be on the show. But yeah, my name's Joe short Rich. I'm the co host of the two to two Paranormal podcast. I do do it with my sister Jen, and we've been on the air for nine years now. We've done over four hundred and some episodes, and we get the honor of traveling around the country doing conventions and also traveling around the country doing ghost hunts and finding interesting places to go with relation to the paranormal and all kinds of other strange things. I know we'll touch base on it here in a second, but I feel like there's always a reason why people start a podcast, especially in this sort of realm, Like there's always something to put you in that so is that's something you'd want to talk about how you guys start at the show of like we're influenced you to do it. So I was always into listening to podcasts. I you know, at work, at work in a factory, and you get a lot of time to listen to different shows. So I was listening to a bunch of different shows, and one of my favorite ones was Mysterious Universe. I'm still one of my favorite shows and back. You know, years ago, I had a situation with my best friend Jackie that propelled me into trying to learn about the ghosty side of it and the afterlife side. I was always into UFOs and stuff like that, but I was never into really ghost hunting and stuff like, you know, on that side of it, learning about the afterlife and stuff. And my sister was ghost hunting with the crew from Ghost Adventures at the Ohio State Reformatory. It was one of those things where you paid to hunt with them, and she did that and she loved it. It was amazing, she said, And she said, it is Zach's character crap hour because he was provoking a lot and getting extremely loud. And she came back and she's like, you know you like podcasts, and you know you had the thing with Jackie. Why don't we start up our own podcast? And I'm like, all right, So I did some research, got the equipment, and that's what was nine years ago now. But I had a thing with my best friend Jackie. We were really like psychic friends, almost say, like soulmates, but not lover type stuff, but best friends. And I actually had to share death experience with her, and it made me want to pursue you know what happens when we die, you know, ghost stuff like that. Because after it happened with her, I had tons of communication with her through music. She used to love Ario speed Wagon and she used to play this song and just drive me insane. Well now it's still driving me insane because I'll walk into places thinking about her and a song come on. Or I had a good example. I was at work and I'm writing a book about shared death experiences and mainly about her and mine, you know. And I was at work one day and I'm like, should I go home work on the show or should I work on the book. And just as I said that, or thought that in my mind, about five machines down from mine, I hear one of the guys radios to play Ario speed Wagon that song. You heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend, And I'm like, all right, all right, I'm going home work on the book. You know. Another good example is I was doing a float session. I do float sessions, which is sensory deprivation tanks. What that is is you it's a mind. The one I get into looks like a big egg and it has about a foot of water in it, and it's salt water and so thick with salt water that you actually float. Now the water is the same temperature as your body. There's no light at all, and it's completely dead silent, so it's it's so relaxing. It's like sleeping for a week in an hour, and you have different experiences. And there are also a lot of people will experience dreams while they're awake. They'll see colors, stuff like that. But I was doing the float session and I came out of it and I see I had a message on my phone and my sister's said come over to JoJo's, which is a local bar slash pizza place here. So I go over there and one of our friends, you know, god lover. She's a sweet girl, but she likes to tell the same stories over and over and over. And I thought in my mind, I'm like sick and tired of the same old stories, just as I thought that the jukebox pops on the Areo Speedwagon song. So if you're tired of the same old story, I'm like, okay, Jackie, I'm leaving geez, you know. But you know, communication like that through dreams, phone calls, from the dead. I've had a couple of calls where my phone rang I looked down and it was her cell phone calling me, and she's been away for years. I've had you know, just I wouldn't say there's two types of dreams that you have when you see someone that pass. It's either them telling trying to tell you something, or just normal stuff. And a lot of our dreams are just normal stuff and she's in them. But so anyways, short story long, that's what got me into the paranormal, which got us into doing the podcast. So there's always something I feel like that always influences someone to go down this route. Yeah, it's amazing because, as you know, doing the show, you have to learn something different every week. Basically I am constantly which I love to learn. I constantly have to learn something. So I always say I don't know everything, but I know enough to get by. You know, you know so many little things, and every time you go down and look at one thing, you're always going down these rabbit holes get tons of other things. And I know later on we're going to talk about the Moulins, and that's one of the things is you know, the correlation between the mounds and hauntings and stuff. But you know, we talk about ghosts a lot on the show because that's the main thing, but we also cover you know, bigfoot and alien stuff, and we interview people and also do where we just talk. You know, it's like a hybrid show. So you were one of the I think you were actually the first time I ever publicly talked about whatever I experienced. Oh really, yeah, so we talked of that pair unity of it. I literally just started this show like maybe two or three weeks prior, and that was the first time I was actually out talking about the show, trying to get the word out for it, And then I sat down and talked to you about the thing that I experienced on the road, just a couple of miles from here, and I never spoke to anyone publicly about it. Like people around here knew, like my friends, my family I've talked to half years ago, but like you were the first time I'd ever actually publicly spoke about it. Oh well, you know you think about it too. Is That's one thing that when we do these conventions, Me and my sister have done oh close over probably one hundred conventions now because we were doing conventions every single weekend for a while, and when you're on the road like that, I mean I I usually am on either on the road with our show or with the band, and its the point where you're like, what city are we in? You know? And we got that way after a while, we cut back a lot. But at these conventions it's awesome because it's a place that people can go and talk to, like mind people about their stuff. Because so many people come up to us at our booth and say, you know, I've never told anybody this, but and you're like, well, why did why did you come up to us and talk to that? Talk to us about that? And it's usually well I feel more comfortable here, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, I think it's more accepted because other people in the area have had similar experiences, or it's more common for them to talk about it because they don't feel so taboo because you're just in a random spot talking to people you don't know. It's like, how are they going to react if you talk to people in this sort of paranormal aspect. They're not going to look at you and think that you're crazy, because look around you. We've all had some sort of crazy. Yeah, you got to fit in with the group of crazies at this point. So we were at a convention in Pittsburgh. It was the move On UFO Convention, and the convention hall that was it was huge and it has these huge windows. So where we were sitting where our table was, you could see out these big windows. And there was a guy that came up to us. And when we do conventions, we take our equipment with us. We interview people at the conventions. That's one of the things that we do. So we had all the microphones set up and this guy comes up. He's like, oh, those on. We're like, no, not right now, but you know, if you want to sit out, no no, no, He's like, I don't want you to record me. I'm like okay, And he's at a UFO convention, you know, and he's all fidgeting and all that. And we set it up where we had their local news crew coming in for the you know, the morning showed good Time feeld stuff where the going places and interview people. And I see the news people walking up and he didn't see him. They're walking up to our table with their camera and everything. He turns around sees them and literally ran out of the building, you know, down the escalator down, and we could see him out outside the conventions that are running down the sidewalks away from the building. It's like, dude, you right, a convention, you know, you're you're you're talk to talk about aliens and stuff, you know, right, but who knows he was just afraid to be on camera or something and literally, excuse me, literally ran out of the building. I actually had heard something similar to that before from someone else that Uh, I don't know if it was on my show. I might have just heard it on something. But they had some guy come up to them and he'd freaked out because of something that they'd talked about. And then he'd reckon like they had something out there whatever, there was something that they drew or he'd seen, or the guy had talked about. It freaked him out so bad that he ran out of the building and just kept writing it won't even be in there anymore because that's something that was going on, freaking him out so bad. Yeah, we were at a bigfoot convention down in Ohio and this guy come up to me and he was talking to me for a little bit about his experiences, and he was talking about this UFO that he saw and he described it and everything, and some other guy comes up while we're talking just all the blue and sees that, you know, our stickers and it says too Ohio on him. He's like, oh, you guys are from Toledo and we're like yeah, yeah, you know. So we opened the circle up basically, you know, everybody's kind of moved back, so we're all in one big circle now. And this guy starts talking about his UFO experience and it was the exact same thing the guy was telling me about his. It was like the same night and everything. And I'm like, come on, you guys know each other, don't You're like, no, we don't know each other. It was I mean, it was so interesting to have two people come up and say the same story that apparently didn't even know each other. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, without derailing the conversation. I actually had spoke at a convention back in the fall, and I had two supposed psychics come up to me at different times and both told me something very similar about something that I had spoken about. But I didn't I didn't feed into it. I didn't really say a whole lot about it or whatever, and I'm not going to mention about what they talked about. But like I thought, it was strange at two different ones, at two different points had come up and told me something very similar. So is there something to it? Probably, but I just like I said, I'm not going to dive into any of that. But yeah, it's the psychic thing is kind of is it's kind of I don't want to say weird, but that to me, it's just strange to me because there are a lot of fakes out there, and you know, I get probably two to three people a week saying you want to be on the Sho Show and they're like, well, I'm a psychic, you know, and I'm and I shouldn't be this way, but I'm my BS meter comes up, you know, Right, Yeah, I did it. But to have something like that, I had the same thing happened to me at a convention. I had two psychics say the same thing and I'm like, okay, you know, and then I forget her name, but this one was here in Toledo and she was doing like gallery readings. And that's another thing that when I see psychics and they say I do gallery readings. I expect them to come out and say, I sense someone here had a great great grandparent that passed away, you know, something like that. They'll be so general. But this girl, and she's been on a few of the shows, I can't remember her name, but she was saying stuff that the people that, you know, unless it was planted, they would have no idea like the people's dogs, names and stuff. Right, So you know, so I can't you know, I get people on the show and I have one guy that said that he was the light and you know, when you pass away and you see the light. He said he was the light. And I'm like, yeah, but a thousand people are dying right now, why aren't you helping them? You know, my BS meter was full throttle that night. And you know, I can't really say him because if that's what he believes, that's what he believes. You know. I had someone tell me they were God. Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't interview, but he told me he was God. But I always say, I'll be damned if when I pass away, I'll I'll turn and look at the light and he'll be standing there right. Well, if you would like to dive into your experience as we can get rolling with it all right. Yeah, So a few things happened to me. Like I say, one of the things is everybody always says that you don't get scared. But I've been to a lot of different locations. I've ghost hunted in old prisons, you know the you know, the whole Gamuth the prisons. This the Sane Asylum's actual cave down in Illinois. There's a cave down in southern Illinois called Cave in the Rock, Illinois And if you ever get a chance to go down, and I recommend it. And this cave was it was a bar at one time. There were pirates on the Ohio River that would live in there and they would actually kill people in the cave and stuff, and that was interesting. We got some responses out of EVPs and stuff like that in that cave. It's very interesting. But I always tell people I don't get scared. We were in Pennsylvania and there's a cemetery there called the Black Cross. Now the Black Cross is back when the railroad was being built. The migrants were working on the railroad, and I believe it was yellow fever came through and a lot of these immigant passed away. The Catholic Church wouldn't allow them to be buried in their churchyards, so a farmer gave them a plot of land that they could bury their dead in. And it's not that big, but it used to have a giant black cross, and that's why they called the black Cross. And the cross was actually two rare road ties put together. Now, if you go there, it's just basically a five gallon bucket of cement flipped over and that's the marker. But there is a historical marker up by the road. We went in the woods and like I said, it's not that big, but you could sense that the trees were looking at you. You had most eerie feeling in this. We heard babies crying, which is a common thing in the paranormal. Yeah, we had just sound stuff like that. But the weirdest thing was there's a tree stump and it had a red bow on it. And I look at my sister, I'm like, Jen, look at this. I turned look at it, I turned away, look at her, and I turned back and I see this apparition of this guy jumping out of the woods at me. And he had the old style flip it hat on. He had his skin was ash color, had a red shirt on, and he had gray wool like woolen pants on. And it was just a split second, but he was jumping out of the woods at me, and my sister said, I jumped about three foot off the ground, and my adrenaline was pumping. That night, I could say that was the only time I've ever really got scared. And we talked about this on a show I did last night where we were talking about attachments. And after this happened, you know, we packed up, went to the restaurant and I'm at the restaurant, I feel something on my hand. I look down. There's a tick on my hand and I'm like, what the hell, So we you know, kill it. And a few minutes later there's another one on my other hand and I'm like, I look at the way. I'm like, check. Please. We got out of there and got back to the hotel and I scrubbed, you know, and all that. But we talked about attachments and then and that you could get attachments whether they're living things or dying or dead things, you know. So that story went into where we were at the West Virginia Penitentiary and my sister had an attachment there. She called me one night a couple of weeks later saying, you know, she just called me and she's like, I'm so passed. I'm like why, She's like, I don't know, but I'm passed. And we ended up going to a convention and there was a shaman there and he actually blessed her and got this out of her. So, you know, West Virginia Penitentiary is very haunted location that we investigated, and it does have the correlation with the mountain across the street. But we've been to so many places and so many haunted locations that was very interesting. One of the other places here in Toledo is one of the most haunted locations we've been to, and it's a house we call the Bone House. Now the bone House is if you look it up online on the maps. It's at two oh one Newton Street here in Toledo, and it's just a little house and this guy bought it to fix up and resell, and he started having things happen in the house. Every time he would pull a board off the wall, bones would fall out. And it turned out that every single floorboard and board on the wall had bones raining out of them. So we ended up on Haunted Toledo. Haunted Toledo came in and went to do an investigation. And the first night there, and we weren't there at that time, but the first night that Haunts Toledo did their investigation there, someone was killed out front. Someone was shot out front of the building. Then things would happen in this house. A board was ripped off the wall and thrown across the room in the upstairs. But like I say, every wall had bones behind it. So the corner came and they took a lot of bones away and they actually said that they were canine and chicken, and I believe that, but I also saw some pretty big bones there. Now, twenty four News came in, so if you ever want to look up on Channel twenty four WNWO the Bone House episode, they were there this house. It was just the strangest place. There were so many, so much activity in this house. You know the K two meter, right, so the device picks up electro magnetism in the air. That thing's useless in the house. You can stand on the front porch of this house and the K two would just be on you hold it inside the door and it would go all the way to red. Now there's no electricity in this house, there's no running water, but yet that K two went red and would stay there. It's the strangest thing. We were there one night with Haunted Toledo and my sister saw an apparition of a girl kneeling down upstairs against the wall. There were drawings on the walls that we couldn't explain. They found letters hidden in the walls. They found women's underwear in the walls, you know, all kinds of strange stuff. So we did some you know, Haunted Toledo's great with history. They looked into this house and they found out that it was a mecca for the neighborhood. That the neighborhood would go there and practice the religions called Santaia, which is a Mexican religion, and they do sacrifice chickens and stuff like that. So I think that with as many years as this happened in this house, that's where all the bones came from. But it's so interesting. You know, the guy that owned it would wake up at the middle of the night, not even get dressed, just get in his car, drive over there and start digging under the house. So right now, if you see the house, the outside looks fine, but the inside is completely gutted all the way down to the dirt in the basement. There's no floorboards. There's rafters that you can stand on, but the house is pretty much gutted now. Because he would just go there the middle of the night. It was like it called to him. It was like an obsession for him to go there and dig on the house for some reason. It's like something was pulling him to it. Yeah. I was there the one night and I the owner was there. I'm like, come on, man, every board seriously. He's like, yeah, watch and he took a hammer and pried a board up and underneath the board. I should have sent you this photo before, but he we poured ride this board up and there was a little bone that was carved in the like a face into it. And if I didn't see him pull that board up, I would have been like, come on, man, you planted this. You know. It's almost as if did he just pick a random board or I was gonna say, sometimes maybe they have something planted in there that they don't know the specific board to go to. But yeah, if I would have saw him peel that up, I would have said the same thing. Yeah, but there was a lot of crazy stuff that went on in the house, you know. And then about two months ago, my sister did an investigation there. I was at the Spaghetti Warehouse downtown and she was at the bone House, which is about a mile away, and we did investigations that night, and she says that she went in there and there was nothing. They didn't get anything, not a K two hit, not a EVP, nothing, She says. The house feels empty. It's like all the spirits are gone. Did they remove all the bones or there's still some in there. That's what we were thinking. We think that they removed all the bones. You know, we never know for sure, but that's what our assumption is. Yeah, that's the paranormal stuff. For me. It's not that it doesn't interest me, but I think it's because it's got more of a creep factor to it. So I don't want to really get into it that much because I don't want to bring something back. I already deal with enough weird stuff as it is. I don't need to bring anything back with me. Yeah, and that's what a lot of people ask me, They're like, well, how do you protect yourself? And you just tell them, you know, I don't really say a prayer per se, but I just tell the spirits you can I do not allow you to come home with me. You can't come home in my equipment, even though we've been asking you to touch you all night long. You know, we just it's basically your intent. If you tell them do not follow me, do not come home with me, we feel that you have the power over them. And it's worked so far. I've ever had the following me home. I know. With what we're getting into for this documentary or going into some certain areas that are very high potential for paranormalm so and my buddy that's doing some of the filming for it and editing is very superstitious. Yeah, so we're going to have to figure out ways to make sure that we say something or whatever, so we're not bringing anything back if that is a possibility, because I don't want to bring anything back. I'm not sure I'll know that he does not want to. Yeah, And that's what I say. It's it's it's an intent thing, you know. It's just like anything else. It's people say, well, you know, like our dousing rods and all that, so all the intent that you put into it, and you do have the power to tell them that they cannot attach to you and stuff. M you know, it's it's if it's all belief thing. If you believe, then it will happen. Yeah. I try to go in the areas like and I don't do a whole lot of this, but like I go in not expecting anything. That way, if something does happen, like it's I don't want to give like false pretenses or go in there and make something manifest because I'm thinking it, you know, I want to see if something happens naturally. Yeah. And that's like me too. Whenever I go into a location, they're always like, why do you want a tour? You want to where all all the hot spots on, And I'm like, no, I don't, because I want to experience it myself. And there may be times when you go into something, go into a place and you get nothing, but at least you had that opportunity to get into an old building or something. Because that's one thing I say too, is being a ghost hunter. And I'm not really a paranormal investigator. I'm a ghost hunter. I pay to play, you know, I'm There's a big difference between a paranormal investigator and a ghost hunter. You know, a paranorm investigator will spend like Haunted Toledo and Toledo, Hio ghost Hunter Society spend a month or two researching before they even go to a location. But I don't. I pay to play right to it. Yeah, but there's you know, forget where I was going with this, But there's different locations where if you go to them, you really do have to have the intent of, you know, don't follow me, that kind of thing. So I kind of forgot what we were talking about. But basically, for anyone listening, if you want to be a paranormal investigator, you want to go to some of these areas, always make sure to try and protect yourself because I feel like I try and lean more skeptical. But I say that I think that's just to try and reassure my own self. I'm more of a believer than I am a skeptic these days, but I still get weirded out at the fact that if I go somewhere and something happens and I can't explain it. Then it's going to creep me out even more. And then I'm like, well, what is it? And then is it following me back? And I'm gonna be dealing with it. That's why I don't really go anywhere, because I hope I'm an overanalyzer. I overthink things, and then I'm just like, I'm just not eve gonna mess with it. I had one night here and my studios at my house, you know, the studios in the back of the house and I have the art gallery and then the rest of the house out there, and I was laying in bed one night. I got woke up for some reason and I could see a seven foot shadow figure leaning over me and it had its hand on the bed and it was like leaning over looked at me, and within two seconds it vanished, and just like you would do. I spent the next three hours looking at the house going okay, if a light came through this way or this, you know, trying to analyze what I just saw. And it's like I couldn't really figure it out. So was it just in my mind or was it an actual thing? Who I'll never. Know, right, Yeah, it's seeing shadows and everything else. Like I have my own kind of ideas of what stuff is. But again, I'm just a guy with a microphone at this point, I don't know what the help we're talking about. So yeah, but the more you dig into this stuff, it's we always say, the more we learn, the less we know. Right then we go in with an idea of what you think you know, and then you find out you don't know anything. Yeah, and you know, a lot of people they'll talk to us about being ghost hunters and that, and they'll think that every investigation is like the TV shows, and you know as well as I do that it's not like that. No, you know, I know that a lot of the bigger ones, and we'll go into a location and they might spend a week at a location and leave, come back two months later, film some more there, you know, for one episode. So they're going to these places multiple times, but they have continuity people that make sure that their hair is the same, that clothing is the same, you know, all that, so it looks like they've been at that location like two nights instead of two months. You know. So there's a lot of times when you go into an investigated place and you're gonna sit there all night long waiting for one knock and you may get stuff and you may not. But I've been in locations too where the second you get out of your car union activity, so you never know. Yeah. So I've heard stuff from various people, from things that they've experienced, but like, other than a few things I've had happened to me, Like I used to write it off as it wasn't even paranormal, because that's just how I was. But now that I've thought about things that have happened in the past, I'm like, well, was that paranormal? Yeah, And I'm very well a couple of years ago, had someone told me that they had this happened to him, This happened to him, and this happened to him, like you've saw ghost, you've saw a cryptid, you've seen UFOs, and be like, oh, you're full of shit, because how one person had all these experiences and when you start to talk to more and more people, it's actually kind of common. Yeah. So I've changed that stance, and then I've thought about my own stuff. I was like, well, I have seen weird lights out back, and I have had weird stuff happening in the house, and I have seen it freaking encrypted. So I was like, am I one of the same. I'm a hypocrite now because I've literally said stuff like that doesn't happen, And now I'm sitting here thinking of like, well that's happened to me. So it's like, so I said, I've started as a skeptic, but now I'm like, I'm not really a skeptic anymore. Uh huh. And we found that a lot of people, Okay, let's say someone will have a big foot encounter, those same people will now start having lights yep, you know, like orbs. And I'm not talking to camera orbs because we know what those are caused by. You know, I'm talking like visible orbs or poultergeist activity, right, you know, Or somebody will see a UFO and they'll start all of a sudden they'll get a big foot encounter, or they'll get that poultrygeist activity happen. It It kind of all matches. I know that there's so many stories of people seeing blue orbs and all of a sudden they'll see a bigfoot yep. It's almost like the story on Mysterious Universe one time they were talking about bigfoot encounter and this lady who was driving down the road and all of a sudden, this bigfoot comes running out of the woods, stops the middle of the road, looks at her like run human, and he takes off, you know, keeps going through on the other side of the road, and then a blue orb when it passed and followed him. You know. So you wonder, are the blue orbs the aliens coming down to pick up their bigfoots? You know, I've always wondered. And again, no one really has a definitive answer, because anyone that does or says they're an expert, they're yeah, they're not. But what is the correlation to all of this, because just use your example, bigfoot in the orbs, why are those connected? Now, I've interviewed someone who wrote a book. He's wrote several books with This past summer, he wrote a book and it's about bigfoot being the forest poultergeist. Because he said, if you have a haunted house and all the sta activity you have in the woods with bigfoot, if this happened in your house, or you say your house is haunted with a poulter geist, yeah, because it happens in the woods, you call it bigfoot. Yeah, because when that quote unquote bigfoot poultry gust happens, you're not actually seeing a bigfoot. You're seeing this footprints. You're seeing broken you know, twigs or whatever. You're seeing trees that are pulled out of the ground, flipped it upside down and shoved back in the ground. Some people are looking at habitats, right, you know, you see all this stuff, but you don't actually see the bigfoot itself. And that's why it is sort of like a poultry gust activity. You hear the noise, is, you hear the banging of stuff, you see the trace evidence, but you're not actually seeing the bigfoot. Now the rare instance when people do see them, it's a little different. But again, all those noises, all those knocks, all that stuff falling over all those things and broken. That's if it's in your house, your house is on it. Yeah, exactly, it is. I never thought about that till I talked to him. I was like, he he's right. I mean, so, yeah, you got people going out in the woods and making whoops. How do we know those whoops aren't a mating call. I guess someone day they might find out when I'm going out looking I'm not gonna be doing any whoops. I've already said that, like, I'm not banging on trees. I'm not gonna go out there and yell and whoop and do all that stuff like this is my thing. If these things are out there, they're gonna know that I'm not them. Yeah, and they're gonna know you're there a lot, a lot sooner than you're gonna know. What they're exactly. So going out there and acting like an idiot is not going to draw them closer. Gonna look at me, and they're gonna be like, this is an idiot, and they're gonna leave. But if you go out there and you're not showing the intent of what you're doing, you're just out there, they might come up closer just because they're a curious of what you're actually doing. M But I've heard of more people seeing bigfoot when they're not looking for them than when they have. I've heard that too, and I believe it because the most plausible experiences that I'd come across to the people that weren't looking for things and have these experiences, the ones that go out and claim that they went out and they found bigfoot here and they did this, and they go out in the woods all the time, they're coming up with new evidence, new evidence. Why are you finding it all? But everyone else that goes out there never has an experience. Because one person is constantly having experiences as I that seems a little sketchy to me. Yeah, there's a girl on my Facebook page that's constantly posting pictures and you know, like I said, if she believes that, she believes it, but every single one of her pictures is so blurry that you can't even see. And you know, she says, look, those are eyes right there, and this is the big one instead of like red circles, you saw a bigfoot every day, every single time you went out and you saw that bigfoot, you would be on every news channel in the world. You know, I mean, come on. I wonder if and this isn't a dig at anyone that does this, But like, are they seeing the things that we're seeing, or is it they actually see something in their mind that they're seeing something that we're not capable of seeing. Because that's what I was. Someone argued with me that there was something in that photo. I was like, I don't see something. They're like, well, you're just not open mind enough to see it. I was like, I literally see blur with a red circle, Like, I don't see what you're showing me. But they swore there's something in those photos. Extreme para where they see they see it all the time because because they're fixated on. It, they want to see it, and for me, I want to see it too, but not to the extreme that I'm going to say everything in these circled photos is a bigfoot or whatever it is that they wanted to I've still got that from a realistic perspective, like if it's a blurry freaking photo, it's a blurry freaking photo. I'm not going to say it's a big foot because I can't tell. But when you say that to someone, they get offended if you don't agree with them exactly. And then there's certain groups out here. Not to go off on a tangent, but now I'm riled up. There's certain groups out here that if you say something to someone, if they post a picture and you question them, you're automatically getting attacked by every single person there because you're a non believer and you're just a troll. I was like, it's a legitimate question, Like. I get that a lot because I actually teach a class on orbs and why you get what you get with your cell phones, And I explained to people that, you know, you got to look at your cell phone. The camera is right next to the flash. The lens is the size of a ballpoint pen. So when you take a picture and you get a white orb, that's dust in front of the lens, you know. And there's other people that have showed me pictures and it's like a line, a white line on their photo and they're calling them plasma beans now, and I'm like no, because how digital cameras work is called rolling shutter. And as you take a picture, the line of pixels, depending on the darkness, depends on how many lines of pixels are open at one time. And it's a rolling shutter. It rolls from the either top down or bottom up. And let's say you take a picture and there's a piece of dust, and I'm talking, you got to remember, like I said, the lens on that camera is almost a sizeable ballpoint pen. So the distance between the top of the lens and the bottom lens is nothing. And if you have a piece of duster, that going through there, and as the shutter is working as a rolling shutter, it's going to pick up that dust all the way down, which is going to make a line which looks like a plasma bean, they say. And I get that all the time, where people will send me a photo and I'll explain to them this is this or this is lens flair, you know. But I mean, there are there are pictures that I can't explain. But if I tell them, oh, this is this is lens flare because you can see this bright light in the corner here, and you can see that they're a different color of lenses because there's blue and green lenses and stuff. And then they're like, no, you don't know what you're talking about because that's my grandmother or something, you know, right, It's like but it's all subjective. And like I said, I have actually seen I was at the Collingwood Art Center here in Toledo, three in the morning, sitting in the main auditorium watching blue and red lights float across the stage. You know, that's not cameras, that's visible orbs, you know. So, I mean, there are real things called orbs, but it's just you have to understand how things work. You have to understand how your equipment works. So the other night, I don't know if I've even mentioned this on an episode yet, but I got super excited because out back I saw two green orbs moving around the fence line, and I got my phone out because at this point, when I've seen stuff before, I've not thought about grabbing my phone. Well, this point, I had my phone, so I started recording. I yelled for my wife to come look, and she's like, I'm pretty shouts neighbors dogs. I'm like, shit, she's right. The neighbor had put like green lights on their collar, so they were moving up and down the yard next door along the fence. But I just seen movement of green light. Really black dark out there, like there's no lights. I just seen these lights moving, and I was like, that's not the first time I've we've seen like orange orb sloating and stuff like up in the sky. Like it wasn't obviously an animal because they're up above our barns and stuff, but like, this was the first time I seen something on ground level. And I was getting ready to go get my boots and run out there to see what this was. But then she said their dogs. I was watching how they were moving, it was like, yeah, their dogs. But I'd never seen it before, so at first I was I just got super excited thinking. I was like, I'm finally getting some stuff filmed out here. Yeah. Yeah, all this time I've been trying and find that I got it. Yeah, but it is it's that the ten percent of stuff that we can't debunk that really keeps us going. I've tried to say this too, for like doing what we're doing, like this documentary interview, people were going to some of these locations, but like, I don't want to go in there with the idea that we're going to catch something because that is a very snowballs change in hell of happening. But I also don't want to go out there and be disappointed. And here's this documentary where we got nothing but us walking in the woods. But that's pretty much ninety nine percent of the time what happens in these things. Yeah, so I'm kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Yeah, it's the expectation. People want that expectation. What's going to happen? You know, what's going to hapen around that corner? Well, and as you mentioned, like these paranormal shows, they've set it up to where it's expected for something to happen because these TV shows are for entertainment purposes. So the most minute little thing happens and it's blown out of proportion on TV because you've got to make it entertaining for the audience. And I'm not about that. So I hear a tree snap, I'm not going to freak out like, oh, there's a tree snap. I'm gonna be like, you hear that, and That's about the extent of my excitement. I'm gonna be Okay, let's let's investigate that, but let's make sure that it's not just a squirrel or something. Right, I'm not gonna instantly go to bigfoot or paranormal. It's just there was a noise. Yeah, but all these shows instantly go to what they're out there looking for. And like you said, yeah, it's it's entertaining. And I I know probably eighty percent of the people that are on these shows, and even they'll tell you, and you know from going to the conventions too, you talk to them, they'll tell you it's entertainment. We have to keep the we have to keep something for next week every episode. Yep. I guess if when my documentary comes out of it's the only time I've ever done a documentary, then it's I was like, at least, I'm honest, never do another one. We're doing so you may not get something, but you're at least covering history, and you're also covering legends and stuff, right. So we're just out there to talk to the people that have had these sightings and these experiences, and we're trying to put like the locations out there and do our own little investigations, and if we actually catch something, that'd be awesome, but we're just mainly just doing it to be like, hey, this stuff was happening around here. Mmmm. It's sort of like me with the mound stuff, right, I've been so interested in that and I've been doing a lot of history with it. And one of the places I go to all the time is Newark, Ohio, and that's by Columbus. It's just east of Columbus, and Newark used to be a mecca, like the Mound. The whole city were mounds, whether they're effigy mounds or if they were what we call road mounds where they're mounds, but they're just like go this way type mounds, you know, so people can know where to go for the other aspects of the mounds. There's two big mounds there right now, the Great Circle Mound and that one. There is a twelve hundred foot round mound. Okay, the walls of it are only like fourteen feet, but it's a giant circle. And in the center of it is the Eagle Mound, because it's in the shape of a bird. And sometimes I think it's not really a bird. I think it's more where people would lay down, you know, or something. But who knows. But that was interesting because they found a lot of stuff at that mound, a lot of Indian stuff, and there are a lot of the stuff they pulled out there is in a museum in koshocktan Ohio. And there was a guy in eighteen eighty eight called David Wyrick. He was one of the amateur archaeologists of the year. He was a surveyor, so he did amateur archaeology. And the one day he was digging around the mountains and he found something and he calls it the Keystone. Okay, now I have it here, and but this is obviously a replica the real ones in Koshotan, Ohio, and these are called the Newark Holy Stones. Okay, So what this is. It's a shape of a keystone and there's writing on it. So he was like, oh, there's Native American writing all over this this rock. Basically, so he knew stuff stuff was around there. And he took this down to Cincinnati, and one of the guys that he took it to so, no, that's Hebrew writing on this rock they found in Ohio, So he knew something was there. Now, there was another mound called the Great Stone Mound, and they they went and they took ten thousand cartloads of stone away out of this mound to build the reservoir that's there at the lake. And then they put Route seventy right where the mound was. But before they built that, they took all the stones away and there was a clay basin, which is very odd for a mound. So David Wyrick got a bunch of people together and they started digging into this clay. They ended up finding a giant coffin, okay, And inside the coffin was a giant skeleton. And when we say giants, You know, I talk a lot about the giants. We're talking eight to ten feet tall. We're not talking thirty foot tall. I'm not like you see on Facebook where there's a skull that's thirty feet wide. You no, no, no giants. Back then, we're around eight feet tall on average. But they were giants because they're bigger. Now, this giant that he found, they took and opened up the casket, and the bones turned to dust as he touched them. So it was there a long time. Okay, there's two stories. There's one that he found a little casket on top of the of the skeleton, and other ones say it was underneath the skeleton. I don't know it was either or he picked this up. It was a rock little casket and there was something in it he rattled, so he broke it open and what he found inside was what they called the decklog stone. Now, this is a stone that is probably four and a half inches tall by about two inches wide and about an inch and a half thick. There's a carving on it, and the carving is a person, and above it says Moche, which is Moses. And just like the keystone, all over this stone there's Hebrew writing, and what it ended up being is the Ten Commandments, all in old style block Hebrew. So people are like, wait a minute. They're finding stones one made out of black alabaster or something in Newark, Ohio in giant skeleton mounds, and I'm like, yeah, but the thing is, that's where we go with the mountains is we don't know who built them. They think that it was the Adenas that would build them, or the Missippium people they call them. They're not sure who actually built these mounds. And I feel that the giants built the mounds and then the Native Americans came in and used them, because if you talk to any Native Americans, they always say, no, the mountains were here before our ancestors. Okay, So finding something with Hebrew writing on it in Ohio kind of really made people think. Now. There was another stone that they found in Back Creek, Tennessee, and this stone had writing on it and it's real small stone, It's only like three inches long. They took that put in a museum. It sat in the museum for years and one day someone came in the museum and said, why is that upside down? And they're like, what do you mean or say that's upside down. That's Hebrew writing. It says with him on it. So I think that it's my belief that either the hit Tits or the Lost Tribe of the Israelites came over and settled in the Ohio Valley area, because you know, Higre alone, there were over ten thousand mounds at one time, and pretty much all of them are gone by now. You've got Miami's Burg, you know, stuff like that. But a lot of the mounds are gone now, and a lot of the mounds they find giant skeletons in them when they excavate them. And I think that the giants were actually either the hit Tights or the Lost Tribe of the Israelites who came over here thousands of years ago. So a lot of people say, you know, no, it's a hopewell culture and that no, it was a lot of the Native Americans said that those mounds were there before they got to the land. They just used them as burial mounds with you know, their settlements. So I love looking at the mountain stuff. A lot of correlation between the mounds and hauntings, like you've got West Virginia Pennitentiary, has a mound right across the street from it that's very haunted. Downtown Toledo had two mounds, and the locations of those, the buildings that are there now are very haunted. So it's really interesting. But going back to Newark, Ohio, you have the Great Circle Mound, which is the twelve hundred foot mound, but you also have a thing called the Octagon Octagon Mound. This is an octagon that covers about fifty acres and what's interesting about this is it's set up in an octagon shape for the eighteen year moon or lunar cycles. So every eighteen years there's a lunar cycle where the moon will rise at one of those points. Were set at one of those points, so it's almost like they had to take and every eighteen years they put a spot. This is where we put it, you know. But the interesting thing about the Octagon Mound is if you were to go over to Egypt and take the Great Pyramid, pick it up, and go to set it down in Newark, Ohio and the Octagon Mound, each one of those points on the pyramid lines up perfectly with one of those points in that mound. It's the same size and we found that a lot of people thought that the pyramid only had four points in it, But the pyramid, the Great Pyramid in Giza, actually has six points. If you look down straight down, you'll actually see that the walls of it actually tilt in a little bit, so there's actually six lines on it, which would match up with the dotgam Mound. Also, the Octagon Mound, the entrance to it to true north is the same exact angle as the Great Pyramid from the bottom of the top, you know the angle, it's the same angle. So I think that there's a correlation between the people that built the pyramids and a lot of the mound builders here in the United States. Do you this wouldn't be tenfoil tells here without a little conspiracy, But do you bring on do you think that there's a reason they're hiding meant like the giants because the stories are the Smithsonian or whoever like it DIDs these things, and that they claim the giants aren't real. There was never any big skeletons, and and what's the point of a. Lot of stories of the Smithsonian come in and taking them. Yeah, I'm fortunate enough to be friends with the girl that lives in Aruba that talks about the giants lot. She even says that her grandma was a giant. And in Ruba they don't hide it, so they're on display and they do have the giant skeletons. But the thing is, I think that they don't show them here in the United States because in academia, if you go against what the standards are, you're you're called like a sister or you know, a heretic. Yeah, And it's just like David Wyrik. They really went down on him because they called him an amateur archaeologist because he wasn't a professional. He didn't do it like they did, you know. And it's like that if you don't go with the mainstream, you are out of your mind or whatever. And I think that's why they do it here in the United States, why the Smithsonian came in and took most of them instead of just saying, yeah, there were big people here, you know. I mean there's still big people here. We just call all wrestlers or basketball players. Right. That's where I was getting at, is like we still have people that are considered tall. Or yeah, giant for the like, we're not talking twenty five foot tall people. You know, we're talking to eight foot, you know, nine foot people. But there were some. Okay, they have found skeletons. Good examples in here in Toledo, about four miles from my house. Here is the Tulido Yacht Club, which is very haunted. Next to the Tulio Yak Club is the Coastguard station. In the eighteen hundreds, in between that location, when they were actually building the Tulido Yacht Club, they actually found skeletons down there by the river. There were giants. They found eight of them. Now, these had the double rows of teeth. Okay, so the skulls, and they said that the skulls were so big you could put the jawbone over a normal person's head. And they had double rows of teeth. Now, the ones that they found down in Mamme, Ohio, which is probably ten miles down the river, had six fingers and six toes. Now people think, wait a minute, oh my god, double rows of teeth and six fingers, six toes. People are born like that now it's just not as common. Yeah, it's a birth defect is what they call it today. Yeah, exactly. And if someone was born with six fingers at birth sometimes they just cut them off. I know it sounds gross, but they do. And the double rows of teeth, there's I forget the exact term for it. It's a huge word. But it's a common thing. I mean, I shouldn't say common. It's a thing that happens. People were born with double rows of teeth. I mean, have you ever seen a X ray of a baby's skull. They're very, very creepy looking. Yeah. So the Giant, like the red haired giants of love Rock Cave, love Lock Cave or whatever it's called, Out and Out West, same descriptions. They were red hair, two rows of teeth, six fingers, six toes on each hand, foot like or I know. There's some people and some listeners and other podcasters they all want to go back to the biblical aspect of this, and they claim all the giants were actually neffeling. But also in the Giant, you had the David and Goliath story, there's a bunch of other giants. Yeah, in that, but they were all supposedly from the fallen angels breeding with humans and then you had your race of giants. But then the story goes that most of them, or supposedly all of them at one point were wiped out from the Great flood, But then then why are there still more evidence of them or supposed evidence of them afterwards? So apparently they weren't all wiped out. Yeah, you know when they say the world disappeared or the whole world flooded, are we talking their world? You know? I mean back then the writings were different. It was very centralized to their locations. Yeah, exactly, they weren't their whole world was there, Like it wasn't the whole planet. Yeah, you know, every religion has their floodstory myth, but they're they're all different, but yet they're all the same. My scientific brain would say that a lot of the flood stories may have been because of what happened ten thousand years ago. They claim we just came out of ice age. So if that's the truth, and obviously I could see waters rising because of things thawing out, but it wouldn't be that dramatic. You wouldn't think it'd be so instantaneous. If something had to have happened to influence the story. That's literally been passed around like on different religions, different continents, even like there's been stories of floods all around the planet. Yeah, I think and is his name? I forget his name. Man, my brain's mush tonight. But he talks about the flood was actually caused by a meteor hitting the ice sheets, and there's a lot of Graham Hancock. Yeah, there's a lot of evidence that shows that something like that happened, because you have you know, when you look at a small river, all the ripples at the bottom of it, you can actually find those different places in the United States that are three miles wide and stuff. There's a there's waterfalls that are undercut, and the only way that can happen is if it's a sudden onset of a ton of water that erodes it that fast where it undercuts. Just yeah, there's so much evidence that there was a catastrophic flood, but yet every Religi talks about it. And I'm wondering if there was Let's say there was a meteor hit the ice sheet and it was a giant melting in the floods, how do we know that they didn't see that and say, well, God created that and then wrote about it. Yeah, because if you believe in in a god of some sort and you see something like that you're going to say, well, God did that, and that's what they write down. That's why every religion has that story. Yeah, that's kind of where I've always thought, like something had to have happened, because again, even with local legends and like even with Native American stuff, like any aspect of things that you get these stories from, I say, is because they've actually seen it. Something influenced these stories, Like yeah, they didn't just make stuff up. Yeah, so something had to give them an influence to write about these things. So I feel like something happened. I don't know what caused it, but it could have been something hit in the ice and mass flood. Now I'm not one that is against the Bible or anything, but like I don't necessarily believe that Noah build an arc and put two of every species. Uh huh. That's impossible. Like I know they say, well God help, but like, think about all the insects that we have, think about all the different animals that we have, Like it's just doesn't seem at all plausible. But I'm not saying that that isn't true. I'm not saying he didn't build something and brought to of what he could get on there. Yeah, but two of everything. I mean, they don't know of everything at that. Point exactly, so you know, maybe it was just two of everything he had in his area or something, right, And the Noah myth is goes right back with the flood stories. Every flood story has a person that is that there's going to be a cast, traffic, something happening, so they have to build a ship or a boat or a you know, an arc or something and gather up with their family or all these animals and get on there. The flood happens and they're the survivors and they repopulate the earth. You know. That's how every story goes, and it's every religion has that and it's basically the same story. I feel like a lot of the stories, though from all religions, all tied back into the same principles for the most part of all religion stories, which makes you go back to believe like they all have. Like I could be one hundred percent wrong, but I believe like the Muslim God, the Jewish God, and the Christian God is actually still the same god. It is. Yeah, That's how I feel. They just don't see it in the sense of how They go about like the Jewish culture does not believe in Christ, which is why you have the Old Testament, and then the people that believe that Jesus have the New Testament. Yeah, to go along with the Old Testament without going completely biblical on it. But I feel like the God of the Muslims or whatever, I don't know, is it Allah, I think it is with it. Yeah, I still feel like that's to me, it sounds like the same God. It's just a different interpretation. Of things exactly. That's all I was going to say. They interpret it different and within their writings and over thousands of years, it basically morphs into this different styles of religion. But again everything from that ask for that versions of their gods all stand in that same centralized location around Egypt. Yeah, but you also had all of Asia, you had the Native American people over here in America. You had the people in South America didn't have the same beliefs in that they had believed in gods, but it wasn't that type of a god like some of them believed in the sun gods, like that's what the Agent of ge Egyptians believed in. You had there's all different variations of different gods that they all worshiped. But I feel like most centralized religion when it comes to like what we have for modernized at least in America, like Christianity, it all stemmed over in the Middle East, which which why there I don't know. I don't know, but like it's it's just weird how things played out, and there we are a couple of thousand years later and we're discussing them. Yeah, isn't it like the Temple Mountain. Wasn't that three different religions that have spent time there. I think it's Catholicism, Judaism and something something else I want to say, is all that's why that Temple mount They say that the next time it is destroyed is when Jesus is coming back and stuff. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I do know that again put on that conspiracy hat. A lot of the I think a lot of the stuff in the Middle East falls at least I'd have to talk to my friend Brad about it, but he is very big into lay lines and the thirty third Parallel. A lot of the weird stuff that goes on the world happens to fall on that. He claims that, which I could look it up, but I think like that whole area is somewhere within the thirty third parallel. Okay, Yeah, I'm not sure about that stuff. That's one thing I don't look into yet. Yeah, I have an episode about it, and there's a there's a lot of interesting things that happened along that, like historical events happened, like JFK's assassination was on thirty third parallel, like all sorts of weird things that go on, Like if you just keep following around the world, Like there's a lot of big cities that fall into that area. There's a lot of big events of all in there. I think the mount I was about to call the mountain sign, I don't know how to pronounce the name, but like that in the middle, it falls over in there too, Like a lot of just weird locations and fall within that line. Yeah. You know when you think about two is like here in Toledo, there's a road called Tremainsville. My sister lives off of it, and there's a lot of haunted type stuff that happened there, and we call it five Points and it kind of ramps up and goes back. You know, but what this path was was from Tecumsey, Michigan, down to here in Toledo and then down to downtown where the mountains were. There was like a path okay, and there's pass all over like the Anthony Wayne trail, which they say Anthony Wayne used that trail to his for the the wars and stuff. But you think about this way, how these how these trails and roads all became. At first you animals that followed the path, and I think it was because they followed magnetics or like birds do, and you know, they follow a path or migration paths, so they the war the ground because they're walking on that same path all the time. And then the humans come along and they follow those paths too, and then later in years the horse and buggies follow the same path, and then cars do. So I think that it all goes back to the reason why these trails and that seemed to be always the same. And they say they follow lay lines or magnetic lines. I think it's because the animals started doing it and they use them, and then the humans would. It's just like when we're up snowmobiling and all of a sudden you're in a snowheel path and a deer's running in front of you. Well, they're using that because it's easier than running through the woods. And I think that's how these lay lines and you know paths that lie like the thirty six are the the thir all these certain things are on that because I think that's where the trail started, so they started building more stuff on them. I don't know, that's just my thought. I think a lot of it is something to do with like the actual magnetic fields of the earth. And again that's how birds migrate, and again that's how animals probably sense that. And again you're going to follow your food sources. So if we're a hunter gatherer people, we're going to be out there following the food. So again I believe that, like I think that something drawls, they follow the trail of what they need and it just so happens to be in that. That's why there's a lot of stuff that goes along that. Yeah, So because there's. Also full moon thing. There's more motorcycle accents on a full moon because there's more people out riding because it's brighter out. They claim on full moons, hospitals always have more people to show up. Yeah, and I don't know if this is all just bs, but like and then you hear there's more rest on nights of full moons because people are doing dumb things on full moons. It's like, is it because of the full moon or is it just because, like when you said, it's brighter out, some more people are out doing stuff because of that. It's not because the moon makes them do it. It's just gives them more opportunity to go out and be an idiot. That's what I'm thinking. But I guess maybe people go out and think they're wear wolves. I don't know. I don't know. Well, is there anything else you would like to discuss? We've been talking for a little over an hour. Yeah, not that I can think of. I mean, you know as well as I too, that once we start talking, we just keep going down these rabbit holes. So we'd be here for four hours if we did. Yeah. I definitely enjoy talking. But would you like to let everyone know where they can find your podcast out in any events that you're going to be at here soon? Yeah? Like I said, we're the two to two paranormal podcasts. Anywhere you get your podcast from, We're on all the outlets. We're gonna be at some live locations we really like, so we cut back. We're gonna be at the Ohio State Reformatory in may or a paras icon. You have to look that up. I think it's the first week of May, but I'm not positive. I have to look on my calendar. We're gonna be there. We're gonna be in the Festival of up in Michigan. But there's a lot of locations that we're going to be at that we are just going to visit. I know in altern Illinois is the parent how does it help? Man? My mind is must joint. But the American Something Paranormal Convention in Alternate Illinois, and I'm gonna go there because right next to there is the Mounds the there's huge mounds there. That's yeah, my mind just went playing. But anyhow, check out our website. We're going to be all different bunch of different locations. Website is two to two paranormal dot com. I've updated it to have the location so we're gonna be at. So we're gonna be at different conventions all over the country this year. I'll make sure to put the link in the show notes for anyone listening. Yeah, I'm sendinger trying to think of where we're gonna be in my mind. Just went to mush but it's late night. I've been up since five in the morning, so I. Feel so I've got well. Ten after five is when I got up. So well, Joe, It's been a pleasure talking to you. If you'd like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com, or go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me around on all the social media is and just remember truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay the price? I've heard a story late last night about something alert along the wood line, strange in the sky. 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