Ep. 200: It Keeps Calling Me Back

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. Welcome back to tin Foil Tells tonight. We are joined by my guest Jesse, and Jesse has been on the show before, but I wanted to come back on here tonight and talks more about some things she's experienced. So it's all welcome Jesse to the show. How you doing. I am doing fantastic. Thank you so much for having me on again. I've been excited to come on again. I've been listening to all your episodes too. You've been getting some cool people on here. So yeah, I've had some interesting stuff happening lately, and I just kind of wanted to get it out there and talk about it a little bit more because I don't know, it makes me feel like it's almost more. I can accept that a little bit better when I talk about it, and then it gets my story out there more to see if other people have had the same type of things happened. For anyone that's not familiar, would you like to let them know a little about yourself. Yep. So my name's Jesse. I grew up in like southeast Illinois, right around the Indiana border. I grew up on an Indian burial ground. I found that out kind of in my high school age or area whatever. Started having experiences when I was about five. I experienced a little et bean in the back of our yard. I experienced orbs floating around the woods because we had like two acres of woods. We had like Poultergeist type activity happened in the house and around me. And then lately, since I've been open about this and doing more research throughout my life, I'm finding out that either I'm pretty sure that I had a I guess you could call it an attachment throughout my life. We also had eight to ten foot tall. Shadow figures with red eyes pop up in the woods all the time. They would throw rocks at us, So I don't know, maybe it was could have been a sasquatch since it was a wooded area and they're known to throw rocks and be very big black figures with the red eyes, so that's possibility too. I don't know, never saw any prints, but with all the research I've done it that would it would be interesting if that happened. Depending on how your opinion is of certain things. Some people call sasquatch not actual physical beings anyway, so some could say the shadow. Yep, that is true, because they would appear do something crazy like throw a rock or break a branch, and then it would disappear. And then like just seeing the I guess you say, the looming darkness with the with the eyes in the woods was definitely creepy feeling like like if I go hiking, like I'm not supposed to be in here, like I'm so uncomfortable and just booking it out of the woods. And now with some of the scientific research a lot they're finding that that could possibly be infrasound, which I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it was that too. You walk in the woods and you know, I'm just going hiking because I mean, middle of nowhere country, what else am. I gonna do? And then just like pitting your stomach uncomfortable, like I need to get out of here. Something, something's wrong, not supposed to be in here. I feel like I'm trespassing, and then you just book it out of the woods. I've never been one to go into the woods that much, so for me I and it's not that I've been afraid of woods, it's just I've had no interest in it, Like even as a kid, like we had this ditchline in a gully or whatever. I used to think there's a monster that lived in it. But maybe that's my irrational fears as to why I don't like them, because I think there's something in the woods. But right, I've just never really cared to be out in nature. I guess I'm not like it from a big city. I live in between Cornfields. I grew up in Cornfield area, So for me, it's just I don't know. I've been surrounded by woods and just never had any interest to go in them. Yeah. I mean that just depends on the person. But also if you think about it, maybe so have you gone out of state and been curious. Maybe it's just the area. I've been out of state. We were just in Tennessee and it looks amazing, like in the mountains and everything. But it would look fun to go out there and like hike. But I got thinking about it, I was like, no, because I'll get lost or I don't like bugs, so Lord knows what type of insects and stuff will be getting on me. And I always find reasons not to go. Yeah, that's funny. That's how my fiance used to be. And then I don't know what happened. He just started enjoying going hiking and stuff. So I'm like, Okay, that's cool. Like when we go out to Massachusetts, that's like I want to go here. Let's go here. This place looks cool. And we're gonna be going to Kentucky for We're gonna be going to Waverley Hills mid June this year and we're going to have like a four day little just hang out in a little cottage with like a hot tub that's on a lake, and there's a lot of hiking trails around the area, and that's pretty much what we're gonna do, So go hiking after let's see, from seven pm to four am is when we got Waverley Hills. So that's gonna be a long night. Probably go back to the cottage pass out and then get up and possibly go for a hike to see around the area. Because he's never been to Kentucky. It's really pretty down there, so I'm excited. We're exactly as Waverley Hills in relation with Kentucky. It's towards Louisville, isn't it. Yes, it's I believe it's a little bit south west of Louisville lou I think that's what it's. How you pronounce it. But yeah, it's not too far from like the downtown area. I think it's like maybe fifteen or twenty minutes from the downtown area. I'll be down there in October, I think, because there's goat Man Festival. Oh okay, yep, I know about that stuff too. That's interesting, so I'll be down there for that one. So I thought Waverley was close to that, but I wasn't one hundred percent of shor. I never I've drove through Louisville, but I've never actually stopped. Yeah, I know much about the area. Yeah, I'm finding a little bit finding out more about the area. There's actually we're gonna be about a little bit over an hour north of Mammoth Cave. So I told him the last day that we're there, that we're there, check out the Airbnb, and then go drive down to Mammoth Cave and you know, mess around in there for a little bit. He's never been there. I haven't been there since I was like eight, I think eight or nine or something. My mom's got a picture of me and my little brother with the gigantic st leg tights and everything. I'm like, well, we're going to be around the area, let's let's go. You've never been there. I've been dying to go back. I can't wait because I know that Mammoth Cave is known for, you know, spooky stuff as well not just being really cool. I just think of the movie that is Scent. I don't know one. Yeah, that's that's the thing that always comes into my mind when I think of caves as the descent yeah, I've always been a apparently I'm just afraid of everything. But I've never been interested in the woods and caves I've I say I'm claustrophobic because I really don't like being in areas where I don't very small. Yeah, I'm a bigger guy in general, so for me, it's hard to fit in things, and I have to crawl into a crawl space or I've got to crawl through something. My old job, I had to crawl through a lift bridge, which is one of those bridges like that you can lift up to make it. I had to go in there and grease things, and I had to crawl and there's vehicles driving over my head and I thought I was having panic at texts in there because it's like graded so you could see them as they drove over, and it's just. Oh my god. Yeah, that would freak me out. I felt like I was having panic attacks. But it got done. I'd deal with it. Couldn't do much about its. My job, right, Yeah, I don't blame you. I know you're You're definitely a bigger guy. So that that would be you know, like, okay, am I gonna get stuck? Like? That would be going through your head the whole time. I don't think we're going to be doing any uh, anything too small because of how huge, how huge the cave is. There's like like walkways and stuff, and it brings you through like these like waterfalls and then certain areas of the cave and everything. So I don't think we'll be huge musheted. We have a waterfall that I found. I say I I didn't personally find. I'm sure some of the one else knew about it. But where I used to work, this was probably thirteen years ago, like right, we were building a new highway basically, and it was off the right of way, so it's out in the woods a little bit. But we kept hearing something there was like a little stream, and we followed it back and we actually found a waterfall coming off the edge. And I thought that was pretty cool, Like who knew there was like a local waterfall that was probably buried back here that no one really even knows about because it's not really out in the open. Yeah, I think that's Uh. There's an area in. Kind of western northwestern Massachusetts called Tannery Falls and I was just zooming in on Google Maps looking around the area and I'm like, oh, that's this And from what I've heard from my friends out there, it was pretty unknown. Not a lot of people knew about it, mainly locals, and now it's becoming more known. So they're literally like when we went there, they literally had an area blocked off because they were starting to make a parking lot. Because it was just this. Like one car road that was towards like the top of the rolling hills of the area, and it's like driveways and this one like not even really road going into this huge wooded area. And Stiff's like, uh, are we supposed to be? Like can we be driving down here? Like I feel this feels weird, like we're like intruding. I'm like Notah, this is where we're supposed to go. There should be like a little clearing off up here, and sure enough, little ways and there's a couple parking spots and then we go and we'll start walking and you can see like this big area that they cleared out to make a parking lot. So it's becoming more popular. It's kind of funny how those things happen. Really where this is, there's no way for them to get to a parking lot. So yeah, okay, Yeah, they've been clearing the woods and stuff over there. Yeah. So this is still right off a highway, so there's you cross a creek and then there's it's off in the woods a little bit. So I'm sure anyone local that may know who I am might know what area I'm actually referring to, but I'm not. Gonna say probably, I'm. Not going to say here because I don't know how many people actually really know about it. I don't want people out there trespassing on people's property. That's very true. Yep. That's another thing that thinking about when we were going hiking and stuff like that, making sure that there's you know, you're supposed to be there, and the more wooded area, there's times where it's like, uh, should I go down this way or not? Make sure you look for no trespassing signs? You know, you never know, right, That's the other thing. When I was down in the mountains, I was like, I remember Deliverance. I've watched wrong term. These movies have stuck with me, so never know anymore. I've always loved movies, but I think they've traumatized me. Yeah, well, I think that's what they're supposed to do make it scared. So like where when we had the wooded area, we did have a couple like no trustpassing signs up, and there's more now, I guess because so ever since I became so, I guess you could say I came out of the paranormal closet November of twenty twenty three, I think, yeah, November of twenty twenty three, I had my first interview because I decided, you know, I want to start talking about this stuff, like I would love to go to the paranormal expos and conventions and speak at these or vend or do something like. I didn't know there was a whole community like there is, so I guess you could say I put that out in the universe. I'm like, oh, that would be so cool. And then got interviewed for a podcast, and then I was a host on one for a little bit left there, probably around October of last year. And I go to the expos and paranormal conventions and stuff whenever I can, vending or just to attend. So November twenty twenty three is when I came out and stuff just started like lining up, And then I had somebody ask me if so. I originally contacted him for like a TV show that he was talking about that he was going to be filming, and we talked on the phone for like an hour and I was kind of just telling him all the different stuff that has happened to me, and he was like, Jesus, this is a lot. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know. I don't have like one or two experiences. I have like fifty. And he was like, Oh, would you be open for like a documentary on you and everything that you've been through? Can you get to that property since you don't live there anymore? And I got me thinking, and I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I know I got bought, but I don't know who bought it. And it's literally still abandoned. Like they started to redo it, like they made it a two story, but there's no siding on it, there's no walls inside of it, so it's like they stopped. So I found that interesting. Uh So, around December of last year, I guess you could say I got the bug up my butt and I was dying to know who owned the property. And I haven't really thought about it until, you know, like the end of last year, Like, it wasn't like a second thought or anything, and so I was just thinking about it. I'm like, I wonder who owns it? You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I can find out online. So I joined this like counting clerk thing, and I was able to unlock the name, the name of the person that owns the property. And I literally, excuse my friends, shit my pants because it was somebody that I went to school with that was a couple of years older than me, and I was like my Facebook friends with him. So I go on Facebook and I look and sure shit, I was so and I'm like, we okay, this is getting interesting. And then at Christmas, so this I found the owner out, like maybe three days before Christmas. Christmas, I make, you. Know, a happy Christmas post, you know, blah blah blah blah, and this person literally commented, Merry Christmas, Jesse. And we have never interacted on Facebook. Not once I dig into the property find out who it is. I haven't said anything to anybody aside from my fiance. Nobody else knows this. And he comments Merry Christmas, and I'm like, what the fuck, Okay, this is really interesting. Okay, And then a couple like a week or two pass and I'm just like. I don't know if I should message him. Should I message him? Like what if you think I'm weird or psycho or something like how am I gonna? How am I going to bring this up? And I finally got the kahonas and I decided to to message him. It was pretty much like, Hey, you know, I used to live there. I grew up there until about twenty twelve. I've been curious about the property, you know, I've driven past it a few times and I wanted to know, you know, who owned it and everything. So I saw that you own the property, so I just wanted to put it out there. You know, is there any way that I could possibly come by there? Because my dad technically died in the driveway and I would like to go there for said kind of spiritual reason. He gets back to me pretty quickly and says that he believes in all the spiritual and he's very spiritual, and he believes in the paranormal. He added me on Facebook because he saw how spiritual I was with the reiki and the sound healing and all the paranormal stuff I do, and I shit my pants again because I'm thinking, how am I going to bring up, like, Hey, all this weird shit happened to me? Can I come over? And he pretty much just put it out there like, hey, I'm very spiritual and I believe in all this type of stuff, and so I just like paragraphs some of the stuff that I went through there. And he said he feels like he can feel my dad there every now and then, that he feels presences. He says that he's been growled at on the property and he's like, in me being me, I just grawl back at it. So I was like, oh my god, you're serious right now. So and then he tells me that he has been he doesn't know why, but for the last year he hasn't been able to get me out of his head. He thinks about me a lot within the last year. Well, when he said he started randomly thinking about me was when I came out of the paranormal closet about November December twenty twenty three, and I'm just like, what, So, that's when I just started popping in your head. Was when I started talking about the property. That is that is very interesting. So how long has he owned the property for what'd you say, how long has he owned the property for? Twenty twelve? Okay? Yeah, And I saw like on the county clerks thing like the date that it was sold, how much it was sold for and everything like that. So he's that's how long he's had the property. And the whole reason he got the property was he he's always had a dream about building a house with his dad, So that's why they bought the property, was to you know, build what they wanted on it, because I mean, technically the house that I grew up in was falling apart at any new foundation and a bunch of stuff. That's why my mom ended up having to sell it and you know, foreclosed on and everything. And uh so I asked him, so, the last time I was there, I noticed, like there's no sighting on the house and it doesn't look like there's any walls or anything. And he said that. It has been probably, Uh one of the hardest things him and his dad have had to do is getting like the permissions to site or the citations or whatever it is when it comes to like building stuff on properties. And I don't know the correct wording, but they just got got the the site sites or whatever permissions for the garage, not even the house yet, and they've been working on that for a decade and I'm just like, holy cow, I wonder if that has anything to do with the property itself, because it's an Indian burial ground and they're like, no, you need to get off of our land, like we don't want you here because when we live there, my mom added to the land. She put trees and flowers, raspberries, tomatoes, you know, stuff like that. She added to the land. And then when they got the property, they kind of tore up a bunch of stuff, Like a whole section of woods is just gone. We had like privacy bushes on each side of the yard gone, a lot of the flowers and everything that my mom planted and everything are gone. So I'm like wondering if the property's mad at them. I'm like, hey, I mean, you guys are kind of tearing shit up over here. You're not allowed to be here. Yeah, I've noticed with stuff like that, it does seem to have an effect on the surroundings, like when the burial ground in general, that's typically considered bad juju when you mess around. Yeah, that stuff anywhere, But when you go through there and you start messing up with nature, and you start messing up with other things, and messing around with the lands, especially something that could be considered sacred, like a holy land was for them, for like where they do their burials, Like you're going to get some sort of weird activity most likely yep. So it's just like, yeah, I've been racking my brain over this for the past couple of months, like it's just too too many synchronicities too quickly, like not knowing who it was, then really wanting to know who it was finding out who it was. We know each other. We went to school together, he comments on one of my posts when we haven't interacted ever. And then he believes in spirituality and paranormal stuff and he hasn't been able to get me out of his head for since the whole time that I've been talking about this, Like this is getting interesting. I don't really know how. Like I've had people tell me that the house is trying to call me back there, which I don't know how I feel. About that, but I mean it had there. It's been a poll since I've been talking about this, Like like I need to close that chapter of my life or something. I need to go there at night time and just like try to close what all the trauma that that place brought in my life, because that's uh, one of the whole reasons I decided decided to start talking about this stuff is because shit like that does happen, but you can overcome it, as you know. When I was actually interviewed a couple of weeks ago, they asked me a question that I had an epiphany and realized the answer. They were like, well, if you had an attachment, do you know when it actually stopped, like when it left? And at first I said no, I don't think so, like I I don't know when it left. And then I just it hit me and I was like, oh my god. It was after we were closed on the property when we moved to the new house, because twenty third ended twenty twelve, twenty thirteen was when I started being more like positive minded and I think positive, positive things will happen to you, and I never really was like that ever in my life. So another correlation to where house forecloses on has new quote owners and we move. It's only like five or six miles, but we move away from the property and then my mindset changes, and then that's when I put that puzzle piece together that I really truly do think I had an attachment because I, uh, oh, well, it's not video, but I dug through some I dug through some old photos, and any photo of me with like a boyfriend, there's a big black mass over me. It's like it's it's creepy and back then you know with the wind up cameras, you know, you click and then you wind and then you go with Walgreens. And gonna print it out. Yeah, it was. It was those types of cameras and there's there were a bunch of black masses in front of only me. So again with the research I've done over the past few years, that I that's like quote another symptom of like people that have attachments dealt with something dark. So more and more things just keep adding up that that's actually what I went through. So it's it's really interesting and also kind of creepy at the same time. Does that not make you a little bit nervous to return back to the same place if you could have had an attachment from there? Exactly? That That's another thing I've been thinking about. But I also think that with everything I know now, I know how to fully protect my I guess, well, everybody. Has different views. I think if you say hail you know a hail Mary and our father, nothing can attach to you. Me. I feel if I have like black termaline on and I rubbed my feet in black selt before I leave, it'll push anything negative off me. So I mean it all depends on belief systems as well, but I feel I could protect myself more so. But yes, I have been wondering is the house calling me back so it can attach to me again? Like is it like, oh it misses me or something after all these years and even so I feel like I need to close that chapter of my life in a way, like I want to go there. I went there, I've gone there twice. But I went there, well, not really walked on the property, but drove past the property at night with with Steve, with my fiance a long time ago, like almost ten years ago now, and I saw one of the big black tall things standing in the field that is right next to the woods of the property, and I slammed on the gas because I got like that uncomfortable feeling. So nighttime. I saw that daytime was there with my. MO and it didn't really have a negative aspect to it, like it was just weird being there and seeing the changes. So I think I can go back during the day nighttime, though I don't know yet. I need to get rid of all that fear before I try to even tackle that. I'm not an expert. We've kind of talked about this a little bit ago. I don't think he was an expert, but I feel like when it comes to places and if there is an energy there, this is just my way of thinking. I feel like, if there's an energy there, I don't think all of them are necessarily there by choice. Yeah, And then I think that there are some that are there because it's their way of feeding. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know how you would distinguish something that's good or not good, and it's up to interpretation because I guess. I know I sound like a rambling idiot sometimes, but in my opinion, I don't think things are good and bad. I think things just are what we perceive is to be bad and evil. What if that's just their way of surviving. That's true. If we look at a lion, and a lion attacks and eats a person, all we got to go put it or anything in general. Yeah, it's just doing what it does because that's what it does, that's how it survives. But we look at it as though it killed a person. What if the things that we consider dark attachments are attached to someone because that's their life force, even though we don't understand what their life is because like a spiritual ethereal type of thing, we don't understand it. Yeah, we put a label on as a being bad, but it's only doing what it does to survive. Yeah, that's true too. I think I've heard you talk about that before too, and I was I remember thinking that too, like, oh, that's a good point. Like we don't know, like I mean unless I sit there and be like, hey, why did you do that to me when I was growing up? Like what was the reason for it? You know? But like because the the veil isn't thin enough, I don't know if I'll ever get the answer. But that is a good point, which is why I'm trying to be like, there's nothing to be afraid of. I don't know what it was when I was younger. Yeah, I was terrifying getting shit thrown at me, and how I was very hateful and very violent during the time that I lived there, And like I have over two hundred scars on my wrist because I would cut myself because I didn't feel anything. It's like I was numb and that made me feel better. I also tried killing myself. So all this shit happened to me when I was at that property, and it's I mean, I feel that it was negative, but like you said, we don't know if it was, like what why that truly happened? And then when my uh, when I was fourteen and I put a pendulum board in the driveway thinking I was talking to my dad. Then that's when things got really bad because I guess you could say I opened up a door and then that's when it started coming inside. Before it was only outside. And then after that happened, it's like I invited it inside by accident. How old were you not dinner? How old were you when your dad passed away? Ten? And then start to happen with your change after he passed away. So I experienced stuff before he passed. I wouldn't go outside at night time when I was a kid, slept with my mom until I was well. My mom and my dad until I was thirteen. You know. He died when I was ten, but I slept with my mom for another three years because I couldn't sleep by myself. I was too scared. And then my mom says that. I would she when my brother was a baby, she would find me in his crib in the morning, and I remember being scared and seeing something looking in the window at me, and I'd get scared and I go in in his crib. So I wouldn't sleep alone. But after my dad died, I kind of had I don't remember much when it comes to really anything, and it's probably because of the trauma, because I saw his body and everything. When I was ten, I didn't he I didn't know that he passed in the driveway. I thought he died at the hospital because that's where I saw that. And then around when I was fourteen, I don't even remember how it came up, but my mom told me he actually died in the driveway, and I was like, what, Oh, well, maybe I can talk to him, you know, like if he passed in the driveway. So I got a pendulum board and talking to him, and then that's when it got more violent and more I don't know. Take take took me over a little bit more, I guess, you could say, because I was already depressed and going through enough being a teenager, having lost my dad, had you know, friends of mine, well they used to be friends make fun of me because I didn't have a dad anymore, you know. So I was going through all of that crap. Yeah, and so it's like all of that probably together it didn't add up for anything positive. But after I decided to try and talk to him, I know, that's when things got more personal, I guess, and stuff would happen in the house more. But also the. Whole hitting puberty type of thing that some researchers talk about girls that I've had traumatic experiences and they hit puberty and then a psychokinesis shit happens. Because stuff did move around more when I was upset, So it could be that too. I guess I'll never truly know. But again, this is why I call myself a paranormal researcher, because I look at all these different aspects and studies or different experiences and see how it correlates and if it correlates, and it's interesting to me now more than before, because before it was just like this is messed up, this is evil, this is dark and negative, negative, And now I'm trying to take a different aspect of it and learn more. I guess a lot of it does sound and this is the stereotypical way of going about it, but a lot of it does sound negative just because of how things play out, Like if someone feels the setup would be there was some traumatic stuff, but you were seeing this thing prior to that, so whatever it was was outside and by you going out there in the driveway, you invited it in. But it already took a liking to you, so it was already wanting that interaction with you, and by bringing that in, it does seem like it had some sort of a negative aspect. But again we're seeing it as negative, and it could very well be negative, but it's just doing what it does. I'm not saying like probably I think it fed on fear, right, And. I'm not saying they're good. I'm not saying they're bad. I don't know. I don't think anyone truly knows. And then people get all religious about it and they're like, oh, it's demonic, it's evils. Well, that's just because they're putting a label on it. Yep. At the end of the day, no one truly knows, like and anyone can argue that if they believe, they have their belief and they have their faith, that is awesome. I'm proud of them, I'm happy for them, but that is still not proof to me. Yep. No, you're right. I mean that's originally what we thought it was too. What I thought it was was it was demonic because that's what we were taught. I went to freaking Catholic school for Christ's sake, you know. And then my mom even had one of my friends, his stepdad was like a Methodist priest, so she even had him come out and blessed the property line to hopefully help me feel better. And it lasted about two weeks. I felt okay, and then it all happened all over again. So if it was truly demonic, I don't know if it would have been able to quote cross that line again. But again, we don't know. It's just it's just something interesting that I mean, I'm gonna put all of this in a in a book. That's the plan. Because the more that I'm thinking about it, the more I'm finding things out, and then hearing other people talk about similar situations and everything. That's the whole reason I'm I'm talking and I want to write a book is so other people know they're not alone if this stuff happens to them, you know, because I was nobody. Everybody thought I was nuts. So being the. Only person that I knew of that had experiences like this and everything, it isolates you. So then that definitely doesn't help with your mental health either. Happen to know the history of the house before you guys lived there. Yes, uh so the house itself was technically an old schoolhouse for a while. It was it was a one room schoolhouse with like a fireplace and stuff, and then the people that had it before us they built onto it. Nobody died on the property from what I looked up. From what I know, but it is part of the Indian burial ground that was also across the street, which is a golf course. So it's like this big section of land. Most of it is this big golf course and then there's a little portion of it that it was the house and the fields that were around that side of the street. And then ironically also the only I've been zooming in on like Google Maps and stuff in the area if anything's changed and shouldn't be like, oh I remember that area, but zooming in on Google Maps, it's still the only section of woods that's that's that big for miles. So I find that interesting too. That's the only section of a big wooded area. Everything else has been getting developed or clowed down for stupid soular stuff or farmland or something, but except for that section. So it's interesting to me, to say the least. Well, it being an old school in a single school. You know when the school was. Built nineteen it's either nineteen ten or nineteen oh one. I remember nineteen and a one in zero, okay, So within that time frame. It's old mm hmm, with the land, the old building, the school building, and then whenever it is converted into a home. So there's a lot of different things, a lot of different people that have passed through there, a lot of different things have went on around there, Like there's all sorts of different energies that came through there. And I know it sounds weird to say it, but like back in those days. If you ever go to a cemetery and you look at the older tombstone's a lot of kids back then seemed to get sick, and we didn't have that, so a lot of kids were dying off through there. So if their memories are of the schoolhouse and their energies at this, like there's all sorts of different avenues that they could play into this to where anything could be around that area. Yep. Well something else that I actually I did not talk about last time because I forgot about this. And my. Well, he's my friend. We were engaged for a while way. Back when I was like eighteen nineteen. He experienced a lot of this crap with me. He was the first person to one hundred percent believe me and experience it with me. So I was like, Hey, just so you know, I'm going to start or I'm getting interviewed for podcasts, I'm going to write a book and everything. Are you okay if I use you know your first name? And he said, yeah, that's fine. I don't really go by that name anymore anyway. So I'm like, okay, cool, And then he's like, hey, make sure you put all of this, like, talk about this stuff, and it was a bunch of shit that I forgot about. So I brought this up the past couple interviews. Okay, how do I word this right? So obviously, being in the middle of nowhere, there ain't shit to do. Ride bicycles, i'd go frogging, I'd go in the woods, you know, country living. And uh. I was hearing grout like I was in high school, so eight seventeen ish, I think I was seventeen maybe eighteen. I was hearing about this graveyard that people would go to because nobody could see you because it was in the middle of the woods. There was a. Path you had to go to, and you know, we go smoke weed, smoke cigarettes and drink there. I'm like, oh fuck, yeah, cool, you know when you're that age. So I'm like, oh, okay, So it's gotta be over this way. So I'm riding my bike around and I noticed that there's this kind of hidden path, like it was really like the grass was really high. I guess you could say you can't you wouldn't see cars going down it, and there was also kind of a fence. I'm like, huh, I wonder what's down here? Start walking down there? And it is kind of a wooded area. There's a gigantic mansion actually on one side of it, but there's enough woods to where if they did look at my direction, they wouldn't be able to see me. And so I started walking and I came into this cemetery and it was, uh, I don't know, not too huge, like maybe a couple hundred feet big circle. And I noticed that the gravestones were really old, like you could tell by the weathering and the color, and it was really hard to see anything on them. And then I got like that that feeling like get out, and I got really uncomfortable and I was by myself, so I was like, yep, nope, I'm leaving. So I took my tail. And ran out of there. And then I told my boyfriend at the time, Bobby. I told him about it, and so we're like, oh, you know, let's go check it out. So we went and checked it out during the day. Uh. There, this is so messed up. There were graves that were dug up. There were piles of tombstones that looked like someone took a sledge hammer to it that were in piles, and it formed a freakin pentagram and in the middle were two tombstones stacked on top of each other with wax on them. So we're like, what the f this is? This is what you know? Like, cause we're I. I didn't know anything about that type of stuff, like I don't know necromancy, double worship, whatever. I didn't really know much about that stuff. So it was just like a this is really freaky. This is messed up, Like what the hell is going on here? And so we were like, yeah, no, we're not sticking around, We're leaving. So we left. I don't know, like a few weeks later, we were talking to two of our friends about it. Of one of our friends, he was in the army and stuff, very very very skeptical, like if I can't shoot it and kill it, it doesn't exist type of person. And then our other friend was kind of open minded but was skeptical, but not as skeptical as our other friend. So the four of us started walking down the path and this was at nighttime because we didn't want to get caught. So we started walking down the path at night and you could hear something next to us, like crunching along with us, like maybe five feet into the woods from us. And my buddy's like, what the hell? Because we would stop and then we would hear one or two more footsteps, and then it'd be quiet and we'd start again. Those footsteps would start again. So my one friend being you know him, grabbed his flashlight, grabbed his big ass like knife out of his pocket, and went into the woods, you know, like, who the fr are you? Come out? You know, name Colin and everything. I'm not going to say all that on here, but and he comes back. He's like, I don't get it. I don't see anything. I hear somebody in here, but there's nothing here. What the hell? And we're just like, oh, I told you, dude. And then we keep going and then we get to the clearing of where the cemetery is, you know, big circle woods on all sides, and he kind of just shot off into the into the cemetery. We didn't. We're like, what where did. He just go? Okay, and he left and started going towards the end of the cemetery with the flashlight. And knife out. Comes back to us and it's like, I don't know what the hell I just saw, but I don't want to be here anymore. But we're I don't want to Let's go, like I don't want to be here. And we're like okay, yeah, we're all uncomfortable. So we leave and again as we're leaving, we hear footsteps like behind us, and except the creepy part was they were getting faster behind us. So we were walking pretty fast and you could hear like crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch behind us, and we would stop and you hear a crunch, crunch, crunch, and then it would be silent. And we're looking with the flashlight and. Nobody's behind us, and it was like right behind us instead of on the side like it was chasing us out. Almost we get in our cars or well one car, and we book it out of there. Within two weeks time, all four of us almost died via accidents, like car accidents. My army friend was writing his car rocket and there was a pile of pallettes just in the middle of the road, so he had to swerve around it, and I think his bike got totaled, I can't remember, but he got some road rash but was fine. Our other friend was in one of his cars driving and this is all in the middle of nowhere country. And shit where you know the roads, like I'm sure you know, like you know, okay, after two stop signs, it's gonna teeth, and then after three stop signs, I need to go right. Like that's how it is. Our one friend was in his car and there was a pile of like two by fours in the middle of the road, like it was on a truck and it just fell off the truck or something. He wrecked his car. And then me and Bobby we were leaving that friend's house one night, and again country we know the area. He didn't live. Too far from my mom's house, like maybe twenty minutes. We're driving and I've got one of those gigantic, you know, Steedy books in my lap. You know, he could put like five hundred cities. So I'm like, you know, looking for music and shit to throw in while while we're going home, I hear Bobby go oh fuck, and then he speeds up and then I hit the you know, the seat, and then boom, and the ceady book goes up into my face. My head snaps back, and I'm wondering what the hell's even happening, and I'm like out of it, confused, don't know what's going on. He's like, holy fuck, are you okay? And I'm like out of it, and he starts calling our friend because we technically weren't far from his house. So from what what Bobby says, and I know he's right because I didn't see this either. It was raining, and like I said, we know the area out of nowhere. There's no stop signed, no no warning sign, no nothing. It's almost like we like portal jumped or time looped or something because we're driving and then in the out of nowhere Tea intersection, no signs, no warning, no nothing, just Tea intersection. And he said that he was like, I either. Slam on the brakes and we possibly go nose first into this ditch, or I slam on the gas and we go over the ditch. Well, he slammed on the gas and we went over the ditch. I got a concussion from that, and so we don't know what happened. Like it was just because you know, I'm looking at the CD book, looking outside and everything, and you know, trees are just going by me. I don't see any signs pop up, nothing. And we still had at least a couple miles to drive before there. It's going to be any tea intersection, So I don't know what happened. His car was a little messed up, but we were able to fix it. But after that, needless to say, none of us went back to that cemetery because it's just a little too freaking weird. We go there and then within a two week span, all four of us almost die via like car accident. Like that's that's weird. It's similar to something that happened to me. I've mentioned on them episodes before, but I can tell you all fair, Okay. I always joked that my buddy and I were cursed because we were the only ones that touched a coin that he found on a headstone, And oh shit, I think I've mentioned it at least on here once or twice before, but I'll tell you about it all fair. Because yeah, you're like, everybody don't need to hear this for a twentieth time. Yeah, but you this to say, it's a similar situation. A lot of bad stuff happened to both me and him when we were together. Right after all that, so. Wow, Yeah, I also came to find out that there's we had an experience where it was me, Bobby, and then our other friend. We were driving around and I don't know what was going on with me. It was like something was like ripping my insides apart, and I was in a lot of pain, and we were trying to figure out what was going on. And we were getting more activity at my house than usual, like big rocks getting thrown at us, hearing like chanting in the woods, drums in the woods, all types of weird shit, and we were trying to figure out what the hell it was. And I don't I don't remember. I don't remember a lot of this because I was in pain and in the back seat. But according to Bobby and my friend, they were down this one road and I remember I mentioned to them that I saw, uh so, you know, school bus whatever, we're going to school. I looked out my window and there was this I've seen this house a million times. The kid was on our route. White house, blue shed, black barn. Blackbarn had an upside down panagram on it, and I was like, wait. What the hell? And before I could it could even register, we're driving off again. I'm like, all right, I need to I need to remember to look at that again. We go back the next day, the Pentagram's gone. So I'm like, am I going crazy? I swear I saw that. So I was telling them about that, and so they were asking me where the house was. And so we were going down this one country road. My friend stops the car and we could see like fire in this like kind of field. It was wooded, but not very wooded, and we were trying to fit figure out what the hell that was. And we're looking and it looks like there's at least seven or eight different like quote fireballs, Like well, they were torches, is what we came to. After we left, the area looked like torches, and it was raining, and then lightning struck and then I hear both of them go what the f like really loudly, and then my friend slams on the gas and we leave. According to both of them, I was in the back seat laying down. There were like footed figures around that area, so it was like they were coming towards the car and they had these torches or some shit, and I was like, wait, what the hell? And then as soon as we left, my friend had me, uh, what was it? Something with salt? I can't remember what he had me do, and then all the pain that I felt went away. So I don't know what that was either, but it seems, after, like I said, putting all of these memories together, like there was some type of cult like activity out that way because of all of the uh, the spots that happened to be weird messed up shit. And then the first time I actually heard EVPs was I was record. I couldn't sleep, I had insomnia, and my therapist told me, oh, go record nature sounds. So I'm like, oh, okay, there's a creek I like to go to and you know, water birds, whatever, So I go, I record nature sounds and as I'm listening to. It, I hear weird stuff. On it, I'm like, what, why are their voices? I was alone, I don't know why I hear why are their voices on this? And I'm rewinding it and figuring out and it sounded like some type of chanting and then somebody screamed and then the chanting stopped. And that happened I think twice, two or three times, lots of weird chanting. Somebody screams and it's almost like like a drowning scream. It was very mumble muffled or something, and then it was gone, and then you hear birds and creek and stuff again. And then a little bit later, same thing would happen on this recording. And then I brought that up to one of my friends and they're like, oh, that's EVP. I'm like, what the hell is that? And so I don't know what I captured, if it was a time loop, if it was a spirit going through something like, I don't know what I captured, but it was freaking weird. So's that's another thing that led me to wonder if there. Was cult like activity in the area. I don't know. But again, I'm researching and I'm figuring all this shit out, and it's it's getting more weird than it is not weird. When you start looking for answers, you come away with more questions and you do answer. That is yep, pretty much. That's exactly what's been happening. And it's all due to me becoming more public about this, Like I'm talking about stuff more and more memories are flowing back to me, or I have people telling me, hey, remember this, remember this, remember this, And I'm like, I didn't remember that, but now that you said it. It's like the memory came back in my mind. So it's really weird. It almost brings back that. I know. There's people that will say that they're implanet memories because someone gives you the idea, they put it in your head and then you recall it. But it's actually not something that you actually experienced, but because someone else put that thought in your head, then you think about it, then you think that you had that memory. I'm not saying that that's not an actual thing, but to me, that doesn't seem like it could be. It doesn't make sense to me that someone can tell me, hey, you remember when you come over here and you smack me in the face. No, I don't. I think i'd remember that well you did twenty years ago. No, I didn't. Like it's stuff like that. I don't see how people could that's an implanet memory from that, Like, I'm not just like it's I don't necessarily buy into some of that. I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but I don't think people can just automatically program a memory into someone's brain. Because they Yeah, and like what he sent me wasn't details. It was like remember when you me so and so and so and so went to that one cemetery and then we all almost died. And you could take that and run with it with like a hundred different examples, and then yeah, I was like, holy crap, Yeah, no, I remember exactly what you're talking about. And then I remembered everything, all four of us almost like almost car accidents, and like I remembered, uh, I remembered our car accident, but I totally forgot that it was in correlation with going to that cemetery. And then it was. Like, oh, yep, yep, that's why that accident happened. I forgot about that. So there's a few things that always stick out to me when it comes to like aaronormal activity. A lot of it is based around trauma, yep, And just from some of the things that you've mentioned and talked about, like there was some traumatic stuff that happened, And I don't necessarily know if things like that is what draws in these types of things, but like we were just talking about, like something's being negative, something's not being negative, just in my own opinion, which means absolutely nothing. I would be very leary of going back to that place. Yeah, I'll Believe me, I've been thinking about that too. I think it's the part of me that's like I needed to conquer my fears to get over all the bullshit, you know, all the trauma that I've been through, like that type of thing. I think that's why I've been thinking about it. I completely understand that too. Yeah, but it's probably not too much of a good idea. Like my one friend was like, well, because I've never investigated the the that section, you know, that area. I didn't know that that was the thing, you know, growing up and everything. And then after I started investigating, it didn't come to like I should investigate the property that's fucking with my life. It was like, no, there, let's go to cemeteries. That's where ghosts are. I've always thought it was weird too, that we all instantly think that there's gonna be ghosts at. Cemetery cemeteries exactly, like. You're everyone there, the whole place would be just invested with spirits because that's where all the bodies are buried. But that's not how it actually works. Yep, exactly. I found that out too, you know, after all these years, but when you're young and dumb, you're like, oh, there's a ghost at the cemetery. For a lot of us around here, there was. I think there's one everywhere, which you mentioned was similar to here, because there's a certain cemetery that's off in the woods and there's not up the beaten path, and we used to go up there and do the things that teenagers used to do, and nowadays you can't access it. It's been kind of which is strange. But there's a road that used to go up there is no longer there. But I don't know. It seems like every area has that, and there's always, at least from our generation. I've had this conversation recently with my wife that today's kids are not like what our generation was, and it's our parents didn't know the stuff that we were doing, just as their parents didn't know the stuff that they were doing. But if I feel like a lot of our kids today are screwed because we're still in that age aspect to where we knew what was going on. We still know what's going on, but kids today aren't really out doing some of the dumb shit that we used to do. Right They're all inside wanting to be on their phones doing stuff on there. They don't want to go out and do the experience of world of going out and party and doing dumb things. Steven his one body always juggle with each other like, man, if we had like cameras and phones like they do nowadays, we'd be famous with all the dumb shit we used to do. And Steve's like, I'm glad there's not a record of that. Yeah, a lot of the stuff will probably be too incriminating for a lot of people. Right. Well, we've been going for about an hour and I was going to set this one up to where it will come out before June seven. So it'll probably come out June third. Oh sweet, because you and I are going to be at the same festival outside of Chicago, if you want to talk a little bit about it. Yeah, for sure. So my friend Jack Chavaz has a paranormal convention that he puts on in Countryside, Illinois. It's at like a little like an actual convention center of like a hotel or conference center, whatever Donna call it. So I'll be there doing Ricky and sound healing treatments. That was there last year. It was very very busy. There's gonna be so many different types of artists, vendors, speakers. A bunch of stuff. So if you're into anything like supernatural paranormal related, then it would probably be a good idea to go. I don't even think it's expensive. It might be like five bucks if anything. Okay, Yeah, so like I said, yeah, it's not expensive to go, and yeah, everybody has a lot of fun and it goes I think from like noon till seven, so it's not like you got to wake up at seven in the morning and it's it's a big convention. There's gonna be I think at least fifty different vendors there, so it's gonna be fun actually meeting you in person. Yeah, that's this is one of the ten different events that I'm actually gonna be out in person. I was just at the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Festival this past weekend, so I met some people there, which by the time I record this, that'd been a couple of weeks ago. But for anyone out there listening, if you're around the Chicago area or in the Midwest and you want to come out and meet me or meet Jesse, make sure to come out to the convention. It's only one dollar. I'll have some cool stuff for you. I've got stickers and shirts, and I'm sure there will be a lot of other cool vendors out there too, so I don't want to plug everything. But there are a bunch of different events that I will be at this summer, so I will probably plug them on other episodes. Yep, for sure, I'll be you can find me. I'll have my totally tumbled crystals and healing banner up and pretty much everything's purple, so I should stick out. She'll be purple. I'll be green with aliens in Bigfoot. I don't know how many people out there are going to have aliens and bigfoot stuff, but that's how you find me. 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