Ep. 204: A Hovering Dark Entity

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this. Thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon. Tonight, we're going to be joined by my guest Chris. Chris, thanks for coming on here and talking with me. Hey, thanks for having me. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. My name is Chris. I am forty six years old, live up here in northeast Indiana and Allen County. Got three kids, all teenagers, just live in our little slice of the dream here and dipping my toes into the strange and unusual when I have time and I do little bits of field trips when I hear about, you know, certain paranormal things if I have time and just kind of do it for my own curiosity. I don't know what influencehould do get into this, but there's usually something. But before we bring that up, I wanted to mention that I appreciate and enjoy talking to fellow Indiana residents. So for all the Hoosiers out there, I get a lot of comments from people from Indiana that are always happy to hear more stories from Indiana. So definitely appreciate you coming on here talking to me. Oh, no problem. I love hearing about things that are in our state and especially close to home. That is the one thing that I do enjoy the most is when I get to talk to people that are fairly close just because it resonates more with me. I'm like, well, I'm not the only one from around here seeing. Stuff, so yeah, yeah, I agree. It kind of drives at home and makes it more relatable in some way. To some people, they claim it makes it more real. They don't like that I was like, well, for me, as like, it just confirms it. I'm not crazy. I might be crazy, but not in this instance. Yeah, well that's fair. I mean, some of the things that some of us are seeing and experiencing our you know, for a lack of a better term, they are crazy, you know, because we were always taught some of these things shouldn't exist. All right, What led you down the path that you're on now? Like, what got you into all of this weird activity, all this weird stuff. It probably started out when I was little. My mom was really big into horror movies, and honestly, I think the first quote unquote scary movie I can remember watching was Legend of Boggy Creek, and you know that, you know, at seven years old, just freaked me out beyond you know that that was hard to wrap my head around. And it kind of just kind of trickle into a fascination from there. And then you start hearing about ghost stories, and then you know, eventually you're my dad, let me watch The Exorcist entirely too young of an age, and uh uh, you know, and it's just my curiosity just got the better of me when it along the way, you know, the pre Internet, the best we could do were the library and if you were lucky, you got to get the Mysteries of the Unknown time life books or something like that, you know, and uh, which we did have growing up, so you know, that was a good resource. And then you know, those things just kind of suck in and once, once the internet became a thing, you know, it just made it easy to start finding more stories and you know, oh, hey, this happened here, that happened there, And you know, next thing, you know, you're finding about stuff that happened down the street from. You, right that the stories that you hear from down the street. Then you start to creep you out a little bit more. Oh absolutely, because you're like, hey, I walked by that house you know, ten times a week or whatever, and you know you had no idea something like that happened there. Yeah, it's wild. Well, what are some of the things you've experienced that you'd like to share with us tonight? Well, excuse me. The the first notable thing that I can remember happening to me, and this was, you know, I'm probably fourteen fifteen years old, I would say neighborhood friends and I you know, we kind of got into the whole Wiji board thing, which you know, hindsight being what it is, that was a terrible idea. But it always starts with the board, right. But I can distinctly remember one instance we were messing with it, and you know, I flicked the bic and the other guy he said, you know, hey, if this is real, make this flame shoot up. And you know, sure enough that things shot up about eight ten inches and freaked us all out for the night. We were done. But really what that led to was I was laying in bed one night having trouble sleeping, and I noticed this figure standing over me, skeletal face, just absolutely terrifying, and like it was so big that if you ran, like you imagine the flats of your shoulder blades going across. It was hunched over, but its shoulder blades were flat against the ceiling, and I would close my eyes, and every time I closed my eyes and opened them, it would be two inches from my face, and then it would slowly recede back up to the ceiling and it would just stare at me. And this maybe went on for fifteen twenty minutes until I could actually manage to fall asleep and The only thing I could take from it at the moment was that it was just it was evil, it was just I don't know what its attentions were at this point, it's been so long it would be speculation. But I remember the next day pulling my sister aside, and you know, she's about a year younger and I am, and I told her, you know, this is what happened. This is what I saw. You know, it was pretty detailed, and she convinced me that it was like, yeah, it was a dreamer was this and him? And I said, okay, you know, and I kind of wrote it off, but the validation to it came, you know, a couple of months later, I had went to my mom's for the weekend and one of her girlfriends spent the night and slept in my room, which I didn't know about until I got home, and my sister pulls me out. She's like, I kind of all freaked out. She said, you're not gonna believe this. And I said, what she says, you know, so and so saw the exact same thing sleeping in your room, and it did the exact same thing to her that it did to you. And you know, that's when I proceeded to tell my sister, you know, like, see, I told you it wasn't crazy, you know. And the same thing is just it just evoked fear, it was, you know, right, I. I just I've always chalked it up to being something demonic. That's what I felt in my heart. That's what I felt in a moment. And uh, I'm absolutely positively sure it's because we were messing with that Ouiji board and you know that, and you know, being an emotional teenager with doubts and this and that and whatever else, like we all did that back then, you know, I think it just fed into it. No. I when it comes to wigi board stuff, that is the one thing that I have never messed with, and I don't have any intentions of messing with. I don't know if it's just because of my upbringing, but I never thought there's anything good comes from aig board. I mean, we didn't have any We weren't a very religious family. There wasn't weekly trips to church, you know, right back in fact of the matter is, growing up, the only time we went to church is when somebody got married or somebody died. Yeah, And and you know back then, you know, just like today they sell weugy boards at Walmart, you know. And in fact, the one we were using, my grandma had at her house. It was stacked in the closet with her all her board games. So you know, we thought, oh, well, grandma got it. They can't be that big a deal, you know, So we we would get it out and play it, and you know, if we knew she was going out of town, we'd snag it for the weekend or something. And you know, I think we probably spent the entire summer doing it, you know, almost definitely weekly, but sometimes three four times a week. Yeah. I just. For even at forty something years old, now, I I'm still too superstitious. So well, sperience and some other things have just taught me to that, you know, these things aren't good and that you know, you listen to some of these other guests on other podcasts and they'll swear there's nothing wrong with it, and you know, more power to them, and you know, I'm glad that maybe somebody's having a positive experience with it, but I just I would never dare consider touching money. And in fact, I've told my kids growing as they've grown up, you know that, you know, don't don't mess with these It's just there's nothing that good's going to come from it. No, So not to hijack anything. But I recently got a bunch of paranormals, like some cameras and some meters and the other thing I got for this documentary as a spirit box. And one of the rules that I've always heard is you don't do any of the stuff in the place you live in. And I turned on the spirit box and I made sure it was scanning, and then I didn't say things, so I turned it off. And then my son asked me, He's like, is that the thing that like the ghost talked to you through? So I said yes, my wife didn't want me to mess with it, and he said try it out. I was like, okay, So I turned it back on and I asked as like as anyone out there. Within five seconds, we hear hello in a lady's voice, and I just instantly clicked it off. I was like, yeah, this is why you don't try that stuff. At home, right, yeah? And you know, and really, until you were telling that, I hadn't really considered that those things are basically just digital wigi boards. Right, that's kind of when you were talking about wigie boards, Like this is literally the same concept that you're asking questions, and now it's just saying things in frequency voices. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I'm guilty of it. I've played with them, you know, I've downloaded the apps and tried them at home and tried them at work, and you know, I don't know what kind of the I don't know how good the ones are that you put on your phone are, but they're definitely interesting. Right. So this one just scans the radio frequencies like a little handheld radio thing. So I don't know right the concept behind it other than it just scan through all these frequency ranges for like radio stations. But it's just weird enough to me that it's I'm not going to mess with it. I'm going to take it somewhere else and use it, but I'm not going to use it at home. Yeah. That's uh, probably a good idea that that's one of the reasons why I haven't ever go feet first into the field like I've wanted to, just because I've always been afraid that I was bringing I would bring something home and I didn't want something to come home and attach itself to my kids. That's exactly the reasons why I don't do anything like that. I'm already leary enough to go out into the woods to do this documentary and hopefully whatever we potentially get interactions with doesn't want to come home either. But I've got preparations to quote unquote bless us and protect us and stuff like that, so we will go out and hopefully not have to worry about any of that. Well, that's a good thing. I hope it works out. But more back to your experiences. What are some of the other things that you've dealt with. Well, the first experience I talked about, I think really was kind of like a springboard, and I believe I had an attachment due to that, a negative attachment, because off and on for years, well into adulthood. You know, I would see shadow figures out of the corner of my eye, this dart and over here, that dart and over there. You know, you hear the occasional knocks you some, but eventually things would start to progress, and for me, I would start hearing heavy breathing, like very deliberate, like you know, a deep inhale and a strong exhale, just like on a steady clip. That's how it went. And that particular set of circumstances culminated. I was living in a small town just outside of Fort Wayne called Monroeville, and you know, it was a kind of a difficult time in my life, a lot of emotion due to, you know, my marriage kind of falling apart. We were new parents, our kids were young, you know, they had all those stresses and same thing. Going to bed, it was late August, so it was warm, but it wasn't like blazing hot. So I opened the windows up and had the fan on and I laid down and I typically going to sleep, will lay face down, and then I start hearing the breathing, which at this period of time, I had been hearing it more frequently, and I was trying to ignore it. And then something different happened. And this is the first time I'd experienced this. And what had happened was it was so strange. It was kind of like on some of the movies you see. And I don't know if it's because they got it right or they just chance, but the total ambience of the room changeing. It literally got cold. I wouldn't say, see your breath cold, but it was noticeably cold, like a good ten to fifteen degree temperature drop. And I'm like asking myself, like, you know, like okay, I start to get up, and that's when I feel a hand grab the back of my head force it down onto the bed, and then literally right behind my ear, I hear this growl in about that time I shot up, and about the time I shot up, temperature of the room went back to normal. I couldn't hear that breathing, that deliberate breathing anymore. And I'm sitting there and I'm literally talking out loud to myself, going nope, nope, no, nope, but like this did not just happen to me. And I get up, go to the bathroom. I'm just trying to shake it off. I come back, I said, you know, forget about it. I lay down, and it starts all over again, the breathing, the temperature starts to drop again. And about that point I didn't give it much more time, and I just got up and I said, no, I'm sleeping on a couch at tonight, you know. And that was that was the extent of that particular experience. But that was that by far, which probably the most terrifying one I've ever had, like to have something, you know, I believe in these things. I even prior to this, you know, as so many of us do. You don't necessarily experience these violent these violent things, and yet when but we choose to believe because you hear the sincerity in somebody's voice and you see the emotion in their eyes when they're telling it, if they're willing to tell you, and I'm it just I couldn't even talk about it for a few years, and it was it just really kind of changed everything for me because like I like I believed it. I went from yes, I believe it's real too, I know it's real, and that's such a powerful thing. No, I get it. That's that's the struggle I think a lot of people have is actually accepting the idea that they things are real. Stuff that you've experienced is actually real. As much as we try and write it off or not want to accept it, you sometimes just can't you come to terms with it. And that's where the struggle actually begins. Right because nobody in my family believes these things like I do. You know, even my mom who was always into the spookier side of things. You know, I tried to talk about to her about it once before she died, and you know, she's like, oh, you just had a dream, and you know it was trying to get me to write it off. Is it? It was nothing? And you know, it's not till you start really having a conversation with somebody that's been through it that they go you start to feel like you can open up to talk about it because they've experienced it themselves. And that's really what it took for me to get comfortable with it. Right. Yeah, how old were you when this happened? Oh? I was probably mid thirties, thirty four to thirty five. Okay, so about ten fifteen years ago. I think you said you're forty six, forty seven. Yeah, I'm forty six, so about ten years ago roughly. Yeah. Yeah, And it was about that time the place I was working, not just where I was working, it was everywhere I went. It was the grocery store, it was any department store. I was seeing shadow figures everywhere I went, And it was i'd total movement out of the cordam right eye a knock, you know, right as I passed a certain spot and it was that was a really dark dark time for me. And like I said, it was, I chalk it up to the emotions of my marriage falling apart and having young kids and you're trying to navigate that part of your life and the stresses of paying the bills and everything else. And I just think whatever that I believe attached itself to me Yell in years prior was feeding off of my doubt and my fear, and it was if I didn't know any better, I would say, I think it was maybe demonic oppression. I wonder this is just me spitball. But you talk about like an attachment. I wonder if whatever it was it was looking over your bed isn't the same thing and it just has just been falling like it's been attached to you. I've wondered that myself, and I don't know. I mean, it would make sense, But the best honest answer I give you is I don't know, right, And I guess maybe because it's when the other things have happened, like being held in my bedroom, like I was absolutely terrified, But the fear I saw when I saw that entity when I was at fifteen, fourteen fifteen. That was it, just it was kind of a different kind of fear, like the thing I saw standing over my bed. I feel like it was it was with me for the sake of grewing with me. Like it was like getting off on it, you know what I mean, like feeding off that fear. I was emanating that did that thing that was looking over you, did you notice if it had any sort of definitive like shapes or anything like that that you could pick up. It absolutely had a skeletal face. It was like I'm not going to say on like a like a a traditional skeleton look to it, but kind of like sunk very dark sunken ice sockets and everything else was kind of grayish black, and everything around it was just black to a certain point, you know, within maybe a foot or two of it. It was just the darkest dark. And yeah, that's I mean, that's what I remember of it. It's been so long, you know, you know, it's not one of these things I talk about super frequently because I mean, it just doesn't affect me like it used to. Were you able to move it all or you kind of like almost I want to say frozen, but almost like sleep paralysis with it. You know, I don't know, simply because I've never really thought about that. The lead go ahead, the leading over and like looking at you type stuff reminds me of very like a lot of hat Man. That's why I was asking about the shape if did you seem like a hat type shape to it. A lot of the hat Man stories that I've been coming up, like stuff I've researched and things that people have told me. Usually they feel like their body can't move, and the thing's usually looking over at them, it's close to their face, and there's a lot of similarities with that. So when you were saying that earlier, the first thing I started thinking about was I wonder if it was like a hat Man type entity. I don't know what they are. I just know many many people report a lot of similar characteristics as to what you were describing. It very well could have been something like that. I don't recall seeing a hat, but it could have been because I was just so stone cold focused on the face that I just don't remember one. So yeah, I mean that's a very real possibility. Yeah, I have no idea what they are. I just know that a lot of people report like I think I may have had my own too, But I don't know if they're evil. I don't know what they are. I don't know anything about them. I've talked to people have different opinions, but I don't honestly think anyone really knows. So it is just kind of a guessing. Game, right, And Yeah, I've often wondered how many experiences that individuals have where maybe that we think something's evil is maybe it's not. It's just because we're so scared because we've never experienced anything like that before. I think, and this is not to alienate myself from a lot of people, but I think what our interpretations of evil is could vary differently from something else. So let's just say these things. We're given guidelines to our reality as to what has been put in front of us of what's good and evil. So we interpret things as good and evil based off of what we believe is to be good and evil. But what if these other things are out there and they're not necessarily good or evil. They're just indifferent because they're only what they are, So they're no longer in the same guidelines that we've set upon our own selves. So we think these things are coming around here doing evil things, but yet look at We'll just use the animals for an example, like, so there's a pack of wolves out there while the wolf hunts and eats a deer, Like, does that make a wolf evil? If these things exist and they come here and they feed off of us, like our energy or something, a lot of people say, Oh, they're negative spirits. They're attaching to you, they're feeding off your energies, they're eating, They're like parasitic. But that's just their function. Does that make them evil by nature? Or is that just them surviving no different than when we go out there and do what we do to survive. Yeah, that's a very fair question. And perspective is definitely everything, because what I've noticed a common theme between people who have paranormal and different cryptid encounters is the one thing I hear a lot of people say more than anything is that it shattered my belief structure. Well, those of us that have had experience or seen things or seen run across the big foot or a dog man or whatever it is. Once you have that experience, I mean, your belief structure has completely changed. And the you know, I've always told my kids, you know, like my oldest daughter has always been really fascinated with all the paranormal stuff and sasquatch and dog man stuff, and I've told her, I said, kiddo, I said, you know, you got to watch what you wish for. I said, because it's like, once you're that third eye or whatever it is, it gets open to that. What I've my experiences is once you've experienced it, it's hard to not see it. It's hard to not experience it. I don't know if that makes sense, but there's just something about that. I agree, because most of the time when I talk to people, if you've ever experienced one thing, you start to find out that they've experienced more. And I've said this many times. At this point, I used to never believe when people said, oh I saw a bigfoot, well I saw ufo, I saw orbs, my house was haunted, Like, how's one person having all this activity? They have to be making this up because there's no way someone can be experiencing all these different paranormal weird experiences. So they got to be full of crap. And then. It's very common. And the more I've dug into, the more I've thought, and even things that I've experienced myself is basically I feel hypocritical sometimes because I've seen things I've had. The when I actually started to think about some of the things that I've personally went through, I'm like, maybe there is something to this. Because the more I talk to people, the more I've discovered that a lot of these things are common, which has led me to believe and I think all the stuff is somehow connected one way or the other. And when you start experiencing one thing, it opens you up to experience more. So once your mind is open, I think that's why you experience more things because it's now able. You recognized it, so now it's looking back at you like it recognizes you, if that makes any sort of sense. But like it's the old thing, like when you stare into the abyss, sometimes the abys stares back. I think that is very true when it comes to this type of stuff, Like if this is the abyss, we looked into it, now it's looking back, and that's what all this stuff is. Oh absolutely, Uh, you know that's the the whole thing with the you know, like, hey, I figured out the pattern for your camouflage and now I can pick you out ord no matter where you hide. So once you do that, it's you know, the game's over, at least to a degree, I mean at least yeah, I understand what you're saying there completely. Once everyone starts to pick up on the weird wavelengths of what goes on, I I truly believe that's how we are able to experience more stuff. So when people want to go out looking for this stuff and they don't have any sort of experiences, I think it's based off intent too. So if you're going out there and you're trying to cause things, you're trying to rile things up, you're trying to find stuff, most likely you're not going to because you're purposely trying too hard. Like, the most I've ever heard from people to me are the ones that aren't out there doing anything and they just so happen to see something, something happens to them. They weren't out there trying to find anything. They weren't in a haunted house, they weren't out in the woods hunting big Foot. Like it's the random person driving down the road and something walks across the road. It's the person that lives in a house and they like, man, my house is haunted because literally my cabinet door flies open and a dish comes flying out at me. Like that's the type of stuff that seems more believable to me in the sense that these people are just everyday people, not out here trying to instigate this stuff to come out, but they're experience in it. Oh yeah, absolutely, I've noticed that myself, you know, like I love going out and going into the woods, and you know, so and so said they saw this here, so I'll go check it out if it's within you know, forty fifty miles of the house, or I'll go camp there for the night. And you know, typically I don't experience anything or see anything that I find I feel like is odd or even even could be considered circumstantial evidence towards the subject at hand. But it you know, the when I look back through the experiences that I've had or when I've seen something, it's every time I'm absolutely not looking for it, and then I'll suddenly it's right in my face. No, that's to me when I think when you're not thinking about it is when your mind's more open to it, which is weird way of saying it, But I think that's how it kind of works, is your mind's more open when your mind's shut off. So if we're just out there doing something, not thinking about things, we're just focused on what we're doing this and that I think that makes it to where we experience more stuff because the more we try and zone into that pattern of what's out there. I don't think it works that way, right, which, right, I don't know what I'm talking about. So for anyone listening, you think that old Brandon has all the answers, I have no answers. This is just me being myself and how I rationalize things that I am one never going to say this is how it is because I don't know. Well, yeah, I get what you're saying. I I don't know anything. I just know what I've experienced. And you know, some people will hear me talk about it and go, oh, well, wow, that's that's crazy, or some people might go, you know, he's full of it, and you know that's okay too. You know, I'm not trying to convince anybody. I just know that this is what I experienced, and you know it's and kind of to your point, that kind of reminds me of those I like patterned posters they used to sell back in the nineties, where if you stared at them long enough you could see like a boat or whatever. Yeah, I know what you mean. I think what they're called. But it's like that, you know, you focus so hard on seeing the one thing that you don't see anything else around you. And that's when I think we miss a lot. I think there are plenty of people out there. I can almost say majority of the world has had some sort of interaction with something different. And I'm meaning it in the sense that could have been in paranormal They could have seen something and something I don't know what it is, but they've had some sort of strange instance, and I think it gets ignored. I think it gets rolled off. I think it's just like, oh, that was nothing or something. They see something on the coroner I they look at it's gone, Oh it's just nothing. That's just my mind playing tricks on me. But what if in those instances it's really not and we just write it off because I think that's human nature is to write it off because we don't understand it. Yeah, I think that we're so focused on the world that we've created around us, that we've we as humans have lost something that maybe our ancestors were more in touch with. And I think that, I honestly believe that the Native American cultures is a perfect example of that, right. Yeah, I think they were very in tune to the world, and for some reason, and I don't know, maybe this was by design, when we came over here. By we, I mean like my ancestors, whatever, we pushed them out of here, like we claimed these lands, and we did all these bad things, and we looked at the or they I keep saying it wasn't me, but I think they looked down upon them because they didn't consider them as civilized as all these new people coming over here from Europe. So they took the lands and everything. But I think the originalative American for very in tune to everything around here. We didn't see them as civilized people, so we pushed them away. But yet I think the civilization that we are is blinded to a lot of the real truth of reality. If that makes any sort of sense in my big long rambling there. No, I think it makes good sense. I mean, I think the Native American cultures we're in tune with their environment and with nature and with the creatures of their environment, especially the creatures not just the known ones, but the ones that you know we talk about like Bigfoot or dog Man or whatever else that's out there, wind goes or you know, do they exist? You know, it's they believed it. And you know, when you've got a culture that has so many different words to describe the same thing in there, you know, showing them respect in this and that, it just makes you wonder. And I've heard a lot of people try to explain it away, you know, with this that or whatever else, and you know, try to say, oh, well, it's a genetic memory of a you know, a giant ape or whatever that used to exist. You know, I just don't buy that. It's you know, I don't see something that's not present and making itself known to you in some way, shape or form, having such a powerful presence in your culture. I think. I know a lot of people are in frank camps when it comes to cryptids, like especially Bigfoot, Like a lot of people think that it is very much some sort of a primate type of creature. And for the longest time I was on that band too, but nowadays, I don't know. I get like, at least footprints and they've found this trace evidence, but it's still never been proven one way or the other. Yes, you have the Patterson Gimblin film, which to me, I think is if there is a real Bigfoot. I think that is probably an actual bigfoot in that because I don't think it's ever been replicated and to the extent that it was back then. But I struggle with believing for the fact that there's never been any actual evidence found, as in a skeleton or any sort of thing like that, to prove that these things exist. Because if there is a population of them out there, they have to have a breeding population. Therefore there must be more of them around. So where are the bodies at? I feel the same way with any. Cryptid, like, yeah, that's a that's a that's a very fair question. Is long as we're still thinking about them as flesh and blood animals for sure. So that's like you. I used to stay in that camp that bigfoot was like an ape, and as time has gone on, I guess I'm getting a little bit more woo woo about it. And you know, the the theories about these things being interdimensional. It's kind of like making a lot more sense to me. You know, that's the pathway that I would guess I would lean towards. But then when I talked to some friends that are straight up still on that flesh and blood camp, they don't see it that way. But I don't know which, I don't know where to go with it. I'm just saying is if I'm believing in flesh and blood, then there has to be some sort of skeletal remains somewhere. There has to be something proven that these things were around or still around it them. We don't have that. So if they claim that, people go to wo side because they can't be explained, so they just automatically jump to that because that that solidifies their belief because they can't prove it exists and they can't prove it doesn't exist. I was like, here's the problem that I see about it. You I can say, yeah, you can't prove it doesn't exist. But I can say that about anything. I can literally make something up right now, say there is a eight foot tall walking Ostrich mant out in the woods. Prove it doesn't exist, you know what I mean? That's that's a dumb way of saying, yeah. Well, I think the one thing that I've learned just being objective and really and I mean really being objective when it comes to this field is that I think when you take a long, long look at it, and I could take I might catch a lot of flak for this, and that's okay. But to me, and then to a lot of people, more and more, I feel like we're starting to understand that more than one thing could be true simultaneously. So I'm kind of in this mindset where when it comes to Bigfoot or dog Man that, yeah, I kind of think they're inter dimensional. But at the same time, when they're here, you know, I think maybe there's a maybe, for lack of a better term, you know, a solidification process where they become flesh and blood while they're here, and then in order to go back to wherever it is they're coming from, you know, there's the process is reversed. You know. Again, I don't know I'm speculating here, but I mean, to me, that makes sense. If these things are truly exist and they have the ability to come in and out of our planet existence, it would make sense that they would have to have the physical attributes of what we have here. So basically we live in the three D world, so they would have to manifest themselves into a three D creature. So if they're from a different plane of existence, like a different reality, like the fourth dimension, their laws of physics in the fourth dimension are different than what we have here in the third dimension. So whatever shapes and stuff they are there in the fourth fifth, whatever they're from here, they have to be in our three D world. And I make video game analogies a lot, so for people that don't quite understand what I'm saying, imagine the old Mario game to where it was a side scroller. It's just two dimensions, and then now you have a different Mario, there's three dimensions. There's actually something you can see all the way around, like three hundred and sixty degrees like most modern video games. That's basically like what we're seeing right now, the three D world. So imagine being a two dimension side scroller and then you see this three D thing coming in there. Well, we wouldn't understand it because all we know is two D. So when three D comes in there, we see it as what they're gonna see as the three D is just because they can't see anything because they're like a flat So imagine something whatever the fourth dimension would be. Well, I can't even imagine where that would because I see everything in three D. So who's to say these things don't come in here and they turn into three D like us. I don't know if anyone's able to understand what I'm referring to, but that's it makes sense to me. Oh, I'm an old Nintendo guy. I get it. Like the advancement from side scrolling, jumping Mario to what video games look like today, like as a huge leap, right, So that's where I'm saying, Like if our world was the old school Nintendo and these things come from the PS five, it's a completely different world. And yeah, if their world is different than ours, like they have all this cool three D realm and then we're in two D land, so we don't understand what three D world is. Maybe that's how they have to come here and adapt to our three D world. It makes sense to me. I mean, I mean, that's the only way you can come here and survive. And again, I don't know what I'm talking about anymore than anybody else, Just like I always try to drive home to. You know, I don't feel like there's a there are experts in the field. We're just out here making our best guess and trying to sort it out. But you know, it's like I always liking it too. Photos that people post on social media, bigfoot, you know, they're outlined in red and go see it right there, And then you know, I try to be as nice as I can be and say, you know, hey, you know, like I get it. I'm never going to tell you that what you're seeing, what you said you saw isn't there. But what I'm trying to tell you is that your photo doesn't prove anything, you know, And that's kind of like what you're talking about there. It's like you're taking a three dimensional object and trying to make it show up on a two dimensional thing, and it's just it's just not translating. I have the biggest scripe, and paradolia is a real thing and for a lot of people. And I'm not just like you just said, I'm not going to argue with people that they're not seeing or they claim they're seen. I just personally don't see it. And I know a lot of people that don't see it, But just because you put red circles on a blurry photo does not make it an actual bigfoot or a dog man or whatever the hell you're claiming it is. But when you say that to someone, not even like say it nicely, like hey, I'm not seeing this, and then they get defensive over it. And then social media has made it to where certain groups you can say things like that, but a majority of them, because we want people to come forward, we embrace that. But in my stances, if we continue to embrace every single thing without any sort of scrutiny or any sort of logic, are we really doing anything good or we're still just doing more harm because now we're letting people that are literally just making up shit out there to put and say, oh look at this, look at this every five minutes, posting photos of nothing, and then people going along with it and feeding that person's I don't want to say delusions, but sometimes maybe people really do believe what they're seeing and it has become off of delusions and or just feeding into it, and then it's spreading. So I feel like even with my show, and I feel guilty about this sometimes, like by doing this show, am I doing more damage than good. But that's just being my moral compass struggles. I guess, well, yeah, I mean, that's that's and I mean it's honestly probably a good thing that you're questioning yourself like that, because you know, if I'm I mean, because realistically, when we step back and look at is the amount of fraudulent posts or bs zero? Well absolutely not, there's absolutely that going on. Just like I feel like whatever percentage you want to say it is, you know about this siding or that experience or whatever you could say, Let's say, even if it's let's say sixty percent of them or bs, that still leaves forty percent that's okay, what is it? Because if you know, it was that old saying and I can't remember exactly how it goes, but you know, if if you can't, if nothing that you apply to trying to figure it out is explainable, that that only leaves the unexplainable. So I know, I think majority of the people that I talk to, I tend to believe that they believe what they're telling me. And that's not me saying I don't believe them, but I try and remain ground it and skeptical in this because that's just how I have to operate, and I try and look at everything from a rational standpoint. So, oh, you told me you've seen this entity above you. You could be on making that up and why. I have no idea, But that's just something that people could, like I'm on a podcast and make up a story. And then I get people sending me emails saying that this guest is full of crap, blah blah blah. Well, how do you know? Were you there? I don't know if you saw this thing or not, but I believe that you believe it, you know what I mean? So so where's the line. And that's I'm not going to tell people that know, you didn't see that because I wasn't there. And I hate when people do that to other people. Like. I get what the absolutely I get with the photo aspect to it, because yes, you're presenting quote unquote evidence and people can't see your supposed evidence. So this is where I think it comes into play, is I encourage people to come forward, but by coming forward and producing what you suggest as evidence, it's not actually proving anything. And then they're coming off to other people, especially to people that are already skeptical. You're not going to change their opinion based off of a blary photo of bushes with a red circle around it. But if you come on a show and say, hey, I was out in the woods I saw the shadow shape moving in the woods or whatever, I'm going to believe you probably saw shadow shape moving in the woods. But that doesn't mean what you think the shadow is is actually what it was. The shadow could have been anything, but now you've turned it into a story of it was a ten foot tall dog man with red glowing eyes, but you just said you saw a shadow, and then the story start progressing more and more and more. Like that's when I start to start and question things when people's original story start expanding and they get bigger and bigger and bigger. And I was like, okay, but. Well, yeah, that's the old uh, that's the old fishing story, you know type of thing. You know, you caught a six intrumento and all of a sudden, sudden, it's a five pound bath type of thing. You know, I get it. It's and I understand that, you know, like, not everybody's gonna necessarily believe what I'm telling you. I saw and experienced you know. But for me, the affirmation came with my sister's girlfriend, without any kind of provocation or prior knowledge to me, seeing this sleeping in my room like a month or two later or whatever it was, and her telling my sister, man, I saw this in your brother's room last night, you know, and describing exactly what I saw, and my sister, you know, telling me this agoing and I even asked her, did you tell Amanda or you know, did you tell her what I saw? And she's no, you know, so you know that that to me was my validation. And it's okay if people don't believe me. You know, sometimes things just don't sound quite right to some people, and you know, that's okay. But like you said, I'm not going to ever tell anybody you didn't see what you saw because like again, I wasn't there, you know. But then again, you know, in the the reality we live in and the world we live in, you know, I've heard stories about one person saying, hey, man, we were standing there right next to each other and I saw this and they didn't. So you know, I think. I think for me and I want people to come forward talk about the things they experience us. Why do this show? I want to give people a place that they can feel safe, come on here and talk about everything that they've ever experienced. It's weird that you can't normally go to and be like, hey man, that I experienced this last night, or this happened to me before. I want to give people that opportunity in a place to where they feel comfortable to do this at because I know what it's like not being able to do that. So my intense is to give that to people. Like to try and help people, because I know sometimes you talking about things actually makes people feel better. And then people out there listening, they might not want to talk about it, but they listen they can then relate like I can relate to that. Now I kind of feel better about it. So I encourage people to always come forward. The best advice I could give to people, though, is don't get hung up on the fact if people don't believe you, because that seems to be the struggle with people not wanting to come forward is because they they don't want people to harass and they don't want people say in their liar. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks. I know that's weird to say, like, because everyone has to worry about what other people think, but it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day, you know what you experienced. Those people weren't there. So anyone's saying that this didn't happen, that's their opinion, and it doesn't Their opinion shouldn't matter because you know what you experience. And I think that's why I get so hung up on things, and I don't want to try in something like a white Night for people. But why do people want to tell someone they didn't experience what they say they experienced, because again, were just hovering around like they weren't there. They don't know. So don't worry about if some random person on the computer that you're never going to know doesn't believe you, because that person doesn't matter. Right, And you know, on that same topic of conversation, I got to tell you thank you because honestly, when you reached out to me initially, and I don't remember exactly what it was, I think it was late last year, but I had been on sabbatical from the paranormal and cryptid feel just because I had gotten so fed up with the drama and the infighting that comes with some of these groups. And there's a lot of really great people and doing a lot of really great research out there. And you know, I tried to tell some of these people who are I was friends with that you know, you don't have to address everything that comes your way, and I, you know, it just it turned me away from the field. And it really wasn't until you reached out to me and I started thinking about again, and I started listening more, and I'm listening to your show, and I start listening to catch it up on a couple other shows that I used to listen to because I hadn't participated in the community for at least two years and maybe longer. And it's just I had just got so fed up with the such harsh scrutiny that people were giving to each other. And it's like, you know, let's stop with the fighting. And you know, I thought this was about advancing the field through research and through experience, you know, And so again, thank you, because you know you reach it out. It's kind of pulled me back into it. And I'm glad I have gotten back into it to the degree I have, because I mean, I do love the community and the subject matters. So I appreciate you. I'm just a guy with a microphone trying to give people a place to talk. But I'm glad we're able to get in touch. But yeah, I was going to ask, is there anything else you want to talk about? Well, I had an experience. This was about seven years ago in New Haven, Indiana, and so I'll tell you the story that I'll get into it after the particulars afterwards. So at the time, I was staying in New Haven and there was a pool out in the back, and a lot of times I would go out really late when everybody was sleeping, you know, twelve one, two o'clock in the morning, and I'd go float in the pool and turn on a podcast or something and listen to it. You know, I've always kind of thought that was relaxing and fun. During this particular few evenings, I had noticed that won't hear any frogs, no crickets, no nothing. It was just quiet, which is kind of unusual in the summertime, you know, in mid late June, and it just seems you know, knowing what I know, I was like, that's weird. But I didn't think nothing. I was I'm out there I'm trying to relax. Well, where I was staying is there's a sizeable ditch that was once part of the old Wabash Aery Canal system, and that actually goes all the way down and hits the uh Mammie River about three quarters of a mile from where we were at. And uh so I'm out there one night and the backyard has got a privacy fence around it, but however, portions of the fence have came down in a storm, and we're laying flat and through the quiet. The first night, I heard a couple tree branches break, and you know, knowing what I've heard what I've heard, I got curious. So I got a pooled tried off and I was hearing a little bit of movement. I couldn't tell where it was coming from. But as soon as I cleared the fence to where I was exposed and could be seen, it just went hush. I was like, oh, that's weird. And I stood there for you know, five or ten minutes whatever it was, didn't see any movement, didn't see anything. I says, okay, whatever, maybe it was just whatever. Go back in the house. Next night, I come back out and do the same thing, and I had another tree snap and it was a loud one. So I go back out to where the end of the fences and step past where the fence should have been, and there's a cluster of trees over one of the neighbor's yards that's maybe twenty foot in diameters filled with weeds, you know, And I get maybe thirty feet from it, and I hear this growl and I felt it. It was loud, very basy. I don't know what it was. I didn't actually see anything. I just it frightened me and I just stopped. Didn't have a flashlight or anything they could reach over there for me to see anyway, as I had was my phone with me, and of course I didn't think to pull it out and hit record or anything. But like I froze, like it was like kind of instant fear, Like it was kind of I interpreted it as like you need to stop, don't come any closer. And I've kind of went over this, however, many times since it's happened, and again not knowing, not seeing anything, you know, maybe it's was my imagination. I don't know. All I can say to you is that I know I heard the growl. I know I felt the growl, and my gut makes me feel like it was maybe a dog man, But I don't know that. And the reason I say that is because through all the stories and the research and the listening that I've done, you know, you always hear about them next to waterways or close to cemeteries. Well, this ditch goes right past the cemetery, not three hundred yards from us, and then connects to the Maumee River, which is, you know, pretty major river up this way. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, all I know is that's that's what happened. And it was kind of freaky. I almost, you know, part of me wishes I had seen something so I knew what it was. I just know that I wasn't getting any closer to that clump of that twenty foot diameter clump of trees that just it was instant froze. And after sitting there for a few minutes, I just backed away until I got back inside to where the fence would be, and then once I was about fifty yards away, I just turned them what went back to the house. It's hard to know exactly what something is, especially with just a growl. But I feel like for what I've talked with other people about, again it's me just spitballing. But when it comes to a lot of the cases with dog Man, you're overran with a sense of fear. I don't know if that's them projecting that on you. A lot of people say they feed on that type of stuff, which again I don't know how anyone really knows that, but but all the stuff I've ever heard about dog Man are usually they're evil. They usually around waterways, around cemeteries, again, like you'd mentioned, and a lot of the time they feed on human fear, which might be true, might not be true. Who knows. But when you're hearing something. We live in Indiana, so a lot of people are like, oh, it could have been a dog, could have been anything. But I feel like for most people, you can kind of get a sense of size of something, especially from the growl. Now, when you heard a growling, did it was it more of a like a low rumbly growl or how what was it? Yeah? It was. It was very guttural, like it wasn't just audible. I felt it mm hmm. I could feel it rattle my chest a little bit, which is what gave me pause and made me scared because I was like, that's I mean, I'd literally been chased by the neighbor over there's pitbull or mastiff, you know, a couple of times when they've gotten out, and that's a nice sized dog and I've heard him bark and growl, and it was nothing like that. So and especially at like one o'clock in the morning. So but again I go back to there were no insects, There were no there was nothing. It was just quiet. And you know, you just don't get quiet like that in June in Indiana. Yeah, usually there are some sort of noises, especially out at night time. Here. I can hear frogs, I can hear crickets, I can hear all sorts of things. And I don't think have everyone outside had not heard something. So the complete silence, I think is one of the creepier aspects of stuff, is when everything just goes dead silent. Yeah, and it wasn't. I think that was the last summer I lived over there, because I was staying with family at the time before I bought this home I live in now. And I've actually asked them since then. I said, how often do you go outside, you don't hear anything, and hardly ever, but there's usually about two weeks during every summer since then where they're like, it's always quiet for a couple of weeks. They don't like, you know, they don't know why, but you know, and like my sister, she don't believe in that stuff. She's like, she'll listen to me and she goes, oh, that's interesting, and but you know, you know, even she was like, yeah, she goes, oh, it's kind of weird. She goes. Sometimes you know, for a week or two, you just don't hear anything out here. And I honestly so I don't know if it's like a something that's coming through it a particular time of year or what you know. And again I didn't see it. So maybe hearing and feeling that I'm just putting two and the puzzle pieces together based on the things that I've heard, and you know, maybe it's me wanting that to be a dog man. I don't know. I just know that's what I experienced, and it was very it was kind of unnerving, you know. But again, you know, on top of that, I'm also objective enough and willing to listen, if somebody gives me an alternative that makes sense, and I, you know, I might go, yeah, well that makes more sense than what I thought it was, you know. So, but it was just it was pretty bizarre, not anything I ever expected there, and you know, and little old New Haven. Yeah, I, like I said, it's hard to ever know unless someone actually sees it particalarly walk out. In front of them or. Something like that. It's but the feeling of the rumbley growl and everything that's very telling in the sense that that's usually common with like Bigfoot and dog Man type encounters. So it could have been either one who knows. It could be I'm open to that possibility. Yeah, that's you know, it's just again with like anything I ever experienced, I just, you know, like we talked about before, like I wasn't looking for it. I went out to float in the pool and listen to a podcast and try to relax, and you know, something presented itself to me and I don't know what it was exactly. Mm hmm. I think that's the mystery of life is sometimes we'll know and sometimes we never will know. I've been searching for answers for eighteen years, and I have a feeling I'll never know, and that's what drives me crazy. But that's why I do what I do too, always searching for answers. Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm the same way. I don't know if I mentioned it before. I get into this stuff to satisfy my own curiosity. I could care less about presenting it to the world and becoming famous, Like, you know, I want to experience these things because it's I want to know, you know. And again, like I said, my sister doesn't believe in any of this stuff. And then she asked me a question that I thought was a great question that nobody had ever asked me before. She says, she says, you go out in the woods and you look for these things, and she says, what are you going to do if you actually see it? And I never thought about that before. And my honest answer to her was, I said, well, one of two things are going to happen. I said, Either I'm going to put the subject down and I'm never going to touch it again, or I'm going to go deeper down a rabbit hole. I don't see any two options besides that. Yeah, it's one of those things like once you start going down, it's hard to get out of it. Well, we've been going on for about an hour, little over an hour and ten minutes now, So is there's anything else you'd like to talk about? We can or we can go ahead and start wrapping this one up. Oh no, I'm good. I think we've covered a lot. Well again, Chris, it's been a pleasure having you on here. I always enjoy talking to fellow Hoosiers, so that's when only want to say thank you. Well, thanks for having me. 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