Ep. 205: Humanoid Encounters and UFO's Over Maine

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Tonight. We are joined by my guest Nomar. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Sure, I'm an author, researcher, sometimes investigator with all things paranormal. I do have a specialty, or more so a fascination with things of the extraterrestrial nature. But besides that, I'm truly fascinated by all things under the paranormal umbrella. And just a few side things. I also have a podcast, and I write books, and I've made a couple of documentaries, all having to do with things that are strange. I can't seem to get enough of it. What is your podcast called? Oh sure, it's called I Want to Believe, Okay, And you can get it to all your you know, podcast catchers. Awesome. You mentioned documentaries too. That's actually something I've been working on as well. We're supposed to be going on this weekend and filming some more stuff for it. Very cool. Yeah, the I love. I went to school for like video and multimedia, and so I love working with audio and video. But these days, at least for me, documentaries are can be a rich man's game. And uh, just because I just want it to look so good and I want it to sound so good, you know. So I I want to try to use the best equipment that that I have available to me. So for the two documentaries that that I did do, cameras were borrowed and rented and and you know, so I was pleased with the way that they came out, and I haven't been able to do that again since, so I haven't made anything new, but I'm always down to, you know, try something new. So you know, our phones are getting really good as well, so who knows, maybe I'll do something with that. I don't know. That's actually what we've been using is these new iPhone sixteen pros. But we also have some other cameras stuff too, for like night vision, and I got a full spectrum and all sorts of stuff. So we're mixing a little bit of everything. But the way technology is today, like even shooting with your phone, it actually looks just as good as with an old camera could look. Yeah, yeah, yeah there the cameras are getting ridiculous. And I will say I love how full spectrum camera video looks. I have some full spectrum footage in one of my documentaries and it's just it's it's really pretty. It's it's you know, night vision, and it's I think it's uh it turns like the subjects a little bit pink or purple. Yeah, I don't know. It has a really great look. Yeah, we're just going out into the woods and looking for weird things. So who knows. I love it. I don't. I don't expect to find much. But it all fits into what we're doing for this documentary because of all the weird stuff around here. So and so we got to get boots to the ground and actually go out there and see what we can kick up, if anything. And is that Indianapolis? Is that where you're at. I'm north of Indianapolis. I'm about seventy something miles north of Indy. Oh wow, so you're are you fairly rural then? Yeah? I live in the middle of nowhere. Nice. Nice, Yeah, I'm pretty rural where I'm at. I wouldn't want to live in a big city. M same, I enjoy I have a couple of acres of ground and like I do have a neighbor that's kind of close, but I don't want people right on top of me. Yeah we're noisy here. Yeah, well I completely agree. You know that the less people around me, the better. I'm terribly terribly introverted. And when I because I do a a lot of public speaking, believe it or not, and so I have to put on like the no more mask, you know, And and I've done pretty good with like building that separation between me and people that are that are watching me. So but anyways, it's a yeah, the less people, the better for me. That's how I honestly am. I've I used to be a vocalist in a metal boom, so oh wow, and I've always I've had to be on stage and I interview people. But I'm not a very outgoing person. So if you see me in person, I'm probably not going to come out of my way to come talk to you. But if you come to tell with me, if I'll speak to you. But I have to get up there and give presentations because I've been in some of these things. I've been speakers, so I can do all lot. It's not a big deal, but I'm not going to go out of my way to come talk to you. Yeah, we sound very similar because I'm currently like a musician and I do hip hop music and for years, you know, I performed down in the city here in Maine, and it's taking a back burner because of the books and things. But anyways, like so, being on stage, being in front of people, and then speaking in front of people about the paranormal stuff, it's all well and good, but you know, you get in a room with me, you know, in person, and I'm like, I'm pretty awkward. Ye see, it must be something. It must be something about that these could like us, that these type of people, because I know some other ones are the same way too, that are the podcasters, Like it must just be our outlet. Yeah, yeah, it's got to be something like that. But yeah, you're right, I know some people too. Interesting. Well what got you into all of this? Well, it was an encounter of my own when I was a child. I was like four or five years old, and I can get right into the story if you want, I will turn it over to you, and I try not to interrupt, So you just kept talking and if I have any questions, I'll ask at the end. Okay, So my mother had put me to bed and I had been sleeping for a while, don't know how long, but a loud bang or noise woke me up. So my eyes are kind of darting around for an explanation, and I start to hear light tapping on my window, so my eyes look over there and then I see the skylight up and I'm like, oh, it's rain, thunder and lightning. I bet thunder woke me up. So I sat up in bed and watched and looked out the window at the storm, and so I could see that it was raining, and every once in a while the sky would light up, and every once in a while I would see the little, you know, lightning bolts. And I lived right on the Saint John River at the tip of Maine, and the Saint John River is what separates Maine in Canada, and I could see the river raging below. And after a moment, I saw this really disturbing bolt. And it was like if I were to ask you to draw a lightning bolt, you would draw that jagged yellow line, and it was stuck in a cloud or in the sky, and there was like a halo around it kind of, and there's electricity coming off of it, and there was booms associated with it. And I even knew at that age, you know, like four or five years old, that lightning, you know, you saw very quickly, you know, like in an instant, less than a second. But this was staying there and it was stuck, and I don't really know what happened after that. I woke up the next morning and I went to bed, and as I'm leaving, I'm sorry, I went to the bathroom, and as I'm leaving the bathroom, I'm walking back to my bedroom and I can see out the windows and it's still there. So I ran downstairs to get my dad and brought him all the way upstairs to show him, and by the time we got there, it was gone. So I was him about the storm and the lightning bolt, and he was like, yeah, yeah, like kind of pat in my head, like you know an adult does. But I think I got really animated or maybe frustrated or something, because he had to like kneel down, get on my level, put his hands on my shoulders, and he was like, buddy, it didn't even rain last night. I don't know what you're talking about. And I think I thought that was weird, But you know, I'm like five years old, So the next shiny thing catches my attention and I forget all about it. Right A couple of weeks later, my dad wakes me up in the middle of the night and he takes me downstairs. And when I say the middle of the night, like you know, I'm five years old, I don't know if that's nine PM or three am, I just know it's dark, and so he takes me downstairs, and I can see my mother shoving my sister into her winter clothes and she takes her by the hand, and then, you know, I get my jacket and hat and mittens put on, and my dad scoops me up and we all walk up outside. I don't know what the hell is going on. And as soon as we hit the outside, it was winter in main so it's cold as hell, and I immediately bury my head in my dad's chest. And the whole time we're outside, he's like, oh, doi, you gotta look up, you gotta look up. So I finally do, and I see these ribbons of color and it was the Northern Lights. It's the only time I ever saw the freaking Northern Lights. Happened one hundred times, it seems like, in twenty twenty four, and I didn't get to see any of it. It was always cloudy over here anyway. So I see the Northern Lights and I'm like, you know, wow, that's crazy. And I think those two incidents happening so close together at such a young age, created like a core memory or something, and it told me that strange stuff happens in the sky and you should probably pay attention and I kind of been doing that ever since. Yeah, and that's that's the catalyst. Everyone has something that puts them on the pathway. And I don't know everyone's story, obviously, everyone has their own unique way of going about it. But I feel like there's always that one, like you said, catalyst that puts us on the pathway that we've become fascinated with things, and I know why I do mine, but I've always been interested in this type of stuff prior to that, So I don't know, even from like an early age, I was always interested in like monsters and Bigfoot, yeah, and all stuff like that, Like that's just something that always has been my favorite things. Yeah, hell yeah. So and aliens, like I've always liked the idea of it. At the same time, it's like, do I really like them because everything projects them to be like these things coming over and abducting you and taking over. But yeah, ET was really popular when I was really young, so that's I remember ET. But then you watch all these other things and you're like, uh, oh, I'm pretty sure a Fire in the Sky kind of traumatized me about it for a little bit. Yeah, and you know, you know, ET holds up man, like the first the first like half hour forty minutes of that movie. It's a scary movie. Yeah, it kind of is for a movie back from then because it wasn't meant to be scary. But that's old Spielberg for you. Yes, Spilberg man. He put kids in precarious situations and made you know, innocuous situations, you know, seem scary, really well done stuff. So some of the things that you've been looking into, I know you've done more like with UFOs and stuff recently, and you want to talk about any of that. Yeah, last year I put out a book called the UFO's Over Me tenth Anniversary Edition. So back in twenty fourteen is when I put out my first book, UFOs Over Me, and it had like twenty five stories in it and some we have a couple of you know, famous or legendary stories from me, and then there was a few kind of ancillary things that I found. But the tenth anniversary edition, you know, I went from twenty five encounters to like almost four hundred. So I kind of like wrote the book I really wanted to write ten years ago, you know, and I uncovered so many things and what really keeps me going is that I can continue, or anybody can can continue to uncover stuff that I've never heard of yet that's never been published. And case in point, just in twenty twenty three. The book came out last year twenty twenty four. In twenty twenty three, while I was still writing it, I came across a story from nineteen sixty five and there was newspaper articles about it the local area not too far from where I live, maybe about an hour from where I live, and I'd never heard of the story before. And it's a story that took place during the day at an elementary school. It was a third or fourth grade class and they were in session and there was this kidnamed Paul, and he's kind of doing his work and he starts to hear this beeping sound outside and it's kind of driving him nuts, and so he just decides to get up in the middle of class and walk over to the window. And the teacher kind of, you know, she doesn't notice at first, but when she does notice, she's like, excuse me, like what is happening, And before she can really like tell Paul to like go back and sit down, he gasps at something and so the whole class gets up and walks towards the window, and so does the teacher, and what they see is like this small black circle in the sky, and there seems to be this beeping sound associated to it. And this small black circle keeps getting bigger and bigger, and it turns out that it's heading towards them, that's why it's getting bigger. And as it gets closer, they see that it's actually this silver oval craft and underneath it, it's got this black bottom, and that was like the black circle that they were seeing. So it gets closer, they see that it's a silver the silver oval, and there's some sort of antenna or something pointing out the front of it, and then there's a light on top of it, and the light's blinking and every time it blinks, it's making this beeping sound. So this craft gets so close it literally goes right by the window. All the kids and the teacher are seeing this thing, and it's actively descending like it's going to land behind a house, and it actually just disappears behind a house and they don't know if it landed or not. So the kids are going nuts. The teachers like, oh, what's happening. So she goes and gets the principal. The principle is immediately interested in what's happening, and he's like, we got a sequester the kids. Let's try to get them in different rooms, keep them from talking to each other. I want to talk to every one of them individually. And he does, and they all tell a similar story, just everything that I just told you, and then he asks them to draw it, and so they do, and every time they draw it, he erases the chalkboard. Next one comes in and it's very similar. So he calls the local newspaper and he's like, hey, has anybody reported a UFO today? And they're like, yeah, like a half hour ago. And it turns out there was this railroad worker outside about twenty minutes from where the school's located, and he heard a beeping sound as he's working outside, and he looks up and he sees this black dot fly over. He hears more beating a couple of minutes later, looks up and there's a bigger black dot. This happens like fifteen times, and the last time that he sees it, the beeping is much louder and this thing is much lower. He can see that it's a black dot with something sober above it, and to him it looks like the bottom of a tea cup. That's how he described it to the reporter. So the principal gets that information, he's like wow, okay, and the reporter that he's talking to, they ask if they can come to the school and talk to the kids, and he said sure. So the reporter comes, the kids talk to him, not all of them, but you know, six, seven, eight of them and tells the same story that I told you. And he also gets them to draw their UFOs again on the chalkboard, and he takes a picture of each child next to their UFO chalkboard drawing. And Paul's picture with a couple of classmates are the ones used in the paper, and it didn't get much fanfare when when the story got published. It was published on a Saturday, I believe. I don't know if the Saturday edition was a popular, you know, reading material in sixty five. But right next to the UFO article was a meteor article that meteors had been seen like the previous night, something like. That, and convenient. I don't yeah, I don't know this for certain, but I feel like skeptics or passive enthusiasts read that, they're like, oh, that must be what the kids saw, even though the story just told you sounds nothing like med years. But I feel I kind of feel like that's why the fanfare. There was no fanfare for it. But yeah, that's that's the story in full essentially, And I was wildly fascinated to find like this elementary school class saw this UFO in the middle of the day. The teacher saw it's crazy. Right, you don't really here too many daytime ones anyways, Like sometimes you do, but like not with a bunch of people and not with at a schools that stuff. Yeah, and you know all those witnesses that low you know, there's even sound associated with it. Pretty crazy, right, Yeah. That's a lot of a little different than which normally here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I just thought it was cool that, you know, I've been doing this twenty five years or so, and it's the first time I ever heard of it, and it's just from digging and digging and digging, you know, just to keep looking. Now when it comes to some of the other things you've looked into, is there anything else, like I know, you said anything on the whole paranormal aspect. But have you ever looked into like the connections between with these UFO sightings, and because I know a lot of people that are bigfoot people claim that they see a lot of UFOs after they see a bigfoot or these weird orbs or something you look at anything. Yeah, first of all, I feel like that's a pretty fascinating aspect of bigfoot sightings. And you know, researchers of Bigfoot that are into the the flesh and bone of the creature really hate this aspect of it. It seems. Yeah, yeah, you know, this has nothing to do with bigfoot. Yeah. Yeah, So and you know, tw each their own. That's fine. You know, I'm not gonna hate on somebody, but you know, but you can't ignore like there's literally thousands of stories of bigfoot and lights in the sky or some sort of cryptid or creature and lights in the sky, and you know, they're also becoming associated with pale crawlers or dog men. And there's a particular dog man story from from Main that started with balls of light. This family had moved into their and to this new house on a farm, and the husband had recently been disabled due to a work accident, and they needed kind of like a larger area, a larger house for ease of him to get around, and so they rented this farmhouse and it was on a bit of land and they're unpacking one night and it's him and his wife and his adult son and adult daughter and his daughter's boyfriend and he's putting a box away. He just finished unpacking something and he broke down the box and was throwing it down in the basement, and he walked by one of the windows and he saw these balls of light kind of bouncing around in the trees down by the tree line, and he's like, what the hell is that? So he watched it for a second, and then he told his wife to come over and she checked it out, and it baffled him. But when she saw it, she was like, oh, no, like poachers or are people on our land and they shouldn't be, you know, they don't know. They just kind of moved in. But they were both concerned when she said poachers. They don't you know. They didn't want people on their property at night hunting. So he asked his son and the daughter's boyfriend to go down and check it out. So they did, and even on their walk from the house to the woodline, they didn't see any lights. And once they got down there, they didn't see any lights. They didn't even really see a trail or what those lights could have been following or walking down or whatever if it was people. So they weren't sure what to make of it. But you know, so a couple of weeks went by and they're unpacked, they're settling in, and you know, this gentleman and his wife. They're an older couple, and they have a routine even at their old place, where they would put a pot of coffee on after dinner and during the nice weather, they'd sit outside on the porch where they were pretty happy to have this really nice outside area to watch wildlife at this new house. So they decided to sit on the porch, and the wife bought this high powered flashlight so she could like really shoot it out there because it was a really big area in their backyard and she wanted to see the skunk and raccoon and deer and you know, whatever else was on their property. So they're out there and there's a man made pond that's not too far from the house and there's a fence in front of it, and they can see some eye shine. There's something drinking water from this man made pond, and they're watching this eye shine because they think it's a deer, but something seems off about it. And then it stands up erect. In their opinion, it was about seven feet tall. There's a shed nearby, and they thought the shed was seven or eight feet tall, and it was about the height of the shed, and so they were disturbed. She turns on the flashlight and it illuminates this crazy looking creature and it's, you know, built like a really big strong man, and it's got short brown fur, and she's kind of going up the body with it, and when she gets to the head, she can see that there's a snout and two ears on the side pointed up, and they're like, what the hell are we looking at. Before they can even really you know, process that, two more on either side stand up next to it, and it seems as though the flashlight is bothering them, you know. And this is all happening within like, you know what, twenty thirty seconds. So the flashlight seems to be bothering them, and they scatter and the couple's like, oh no, like, where are they gone? So she's kind of darting the flashlight around and she can't see them, and the husband thinks that they ran around the other side of the house. So they're freaked out. They go inside and call the cops. The husband feels as though, after, you know, while he's talking at the cops, that they've gotten this call before because they told them listen, we're not coming out, but lock your doors. You'll be fine. He's like, and they go, okay, you know you could call the game wardens too, and he's like, wow, okay. So he gets off the phone with the cops, tells his wife what they said. She's like what. So he gets on the phone with the game organs and so, you know, they got to look up the number, you know, where the hell's the phone book. It's you know, it's pretty chaotic, but he finally gets the game wardens on the phone and something similar happens. They're like, listen, we're not coming out, but you'll be fine if you just stay indoors. He was kind of dumbfounded by that. So he gets off the phone, tells the wife what happened, and he's like I gotta go get a gun. His wife did not like having gun in the house. They were kept in the shed outside the shed that was like near that pond, and she's like, no, don't go to you know. He doesn't move fast, you know, because of the accident. But he's like, I gotta go get a gun. Their adult daughters asleep upstairs, and the wife is like, all right, you go do what you gotta do. I'm going upstairs to tell the daughter what's going on. So now he's outside and his back is leaning against the front door and it's pitch blackout. He's like, crap. So he starts moving slowly and he's going step by step down the front porch. Just before he reaches the last step, he's bathed in light and he's and it scares him. He's like, whoa, what the hell? And he realizes that it's the motion detecting light that's on their shed and it had gone off because it it picked him up, and he's like, oh god good. And as that went off and it scared him, he could also hear like scurrying or you know, footsteps or something nearby, and he was afraid that it was these creatures. But he felt better now that the light was on, so he's like, sweet, all I got to do is keep the light on, get to the shed, and I'm good to go. Well, as he's having this thought, boom, the light goes back off. He's like, oh crap. So now he's waving his arms like a madman, trying to get the light to come back on, and he can hear footsteps or their noises getting closer. Finally, the light comes back on and he knows he's not going to be fast enough to get to the shed, so he turns around and goes back inside, locks the door. The wife comes down. She's like, no gun, and he's like, I couldn't do it. They're still around. I couldn't get to the shed in time. So she helps him up the stairs. Now they're in the daughter's room. They're telling her what's going on. She's like, what what the hell are you talking about? And they look out her window and they can see these creatures looking up at them. So they tell her to get up and come over, and she looked down and sure enough, there's five sets of eyes and wait a minute, there's actually six sets of eyes because they noticed another one kind of on the back of one of the larger ones, and for a second they thought two of them were like having sex or something, but they finally figured out that it was probably like a juvenile or a young one on its mother's back looking up at them. And then they scatter, and for the rest of the night, these creatures are wreaking havoc outside the house. They're banging on walls, they can hear scratch marks at one point, they can hear walking on the roof. But it seems to them that these creatures either don't understand how doors and windows work, you know, you can kind of just smash through them, or they're into terrorizing and they know exactly what they're doing. But never once did they try to like break in. It was just kind of like all this madness and scariness going on, banging around, and so they get so tired. It gets so late. It's like, you know, three o'clock in the morning, they all fall asleep, and you know, just a couple few hours later, sunlight starts coming through the window and they wake up and you know, the madness has stopped. They look out the window, they don't see anything, So they go downstairs and they step outside, and you know, it's pretty clear that these things have retreated to whatever, and they see all of these really large, scary footprints with claw marks all on the ground. There's claw marks on the sides of the building. And it took them about a month. I mean, you know how hard it is to move into someplace and then to turn around and move out. That's hard. But they did it in about a month and got out of there. That's basically their story in a nutshell. And my girlfriend and I it did that area last winter, and the farmhouse is now a business, so we didn't want to get on the property and you know, mess with people or anything, you know. But there's this weird, you know, old wooden church that's like next door and it's got like this really crude cross like nail to the front of it. It's like the perfect like Stephen King's setting or this for this area. And so we're on that property and I'm taking like telephoto pictures of the farmhouse and the woodline and the pond and all this stuff. And when we're in the area, we noticed literally across the street is a nature preserve and we had gone there in the winter and there were these large two sets of large tracks leading from the side of the road into the woods, no obvious path, no obvious destination to the woods other than just going into the woods. Now, it could have been hunters, a have been whatever, you know, with snow melt making the footprints look bigger. But just knowing the story and being in the area and being next to that church and now seeing these two sets of tracks, were like, whoa, this is crazy, but that's the story of the Werewolves are dog men that are supposedly in Maine, and it started with those you know, balls of light and you know that's kind of part of dog man lore in some stories where you're seeing orbs of light and sometimes they're described as their eyes at first, and then you see the rest of the body or there are these balls of light and that's the entity and then they more for turn into this dog man or something. You know, what do you think these things actually are like that people are seeing? Like when it comes to cryptids like dog Man, Bigfoot, these pale crawlers and everything, what do you actually think it is? I don't know. I wish I knew, I really do. I think even with Bigfoot, because I'm not convinced on the flesh and bone. But even Bigfoot, pale crawlers, dog Man, they maybe some sort of interdimensional They can up skip and jump between worlds or you know, they've adapted, you know, maybe the r flesh and bone, and they've adapted to their environment, and so they have a cloaking ability. You know, there's insects and stuff that have cloaking capabilities. Even owls complain into a tree and which is a form of cloaking. You know. So who's to say that they didn't evolve, you know, to be able to live among us, you know, I don't know, So I don't have a good answer, but you know, maybe interdimensionals, maybe cloaking creatures, I don't know. I always find it interesting that within the last few years I've been hearing a lot more like interdimensional because and I don't want to attribute this to podcasts, but I feel like it was more or less podcasting that's opened my mind up to it. But the for me, it's always like Bigfoot was always just an unknow and primate, and then dog Man stuff like who knows, But I never really put a whole lot of stock in any of this stuff. But then I was like, well, if this was real, how come there's no bodies? Why is there no bones? You know what I mean? Like, how come we've never found these things? And then we started listening to the podcast about five years ago and they started mentioning like interdimensional and I'm an old Ninja Turtles fan, so I'm like, oh, dimension X, yeah that's from Like where's Krank the little brain. Guy running around? Right? But now though, with these recent like the UFO hearings, where have they've been mentioning interdimensional? Yeah? Crazy? I think is strange. So I don't know what to think. To be honest, yeah, say man, like I think I told you earlier. I've been doing this, like, you know, twenty five years, like professionally, and you know, an interest since childhood, and I have zero answers. I feel like I almost get dumber, you know. Like it's fun, like I've talked to interviewed hundreds of people and that's great and I love getting all these stories and stuff, but I don't know what the stuff is. I don't know what a dog man is, you know, and it's not interchangeable with were wolf, but it's you know, you know, I don't know because there's there's like luke Garu history in our state, in a lot of states, you know, and is that something that was truly a thing or something that was misinterpreted, you know, the turn of the century or whatever. You know. So I don't know, I don't know what any of this is, but I'm truly fascinated by it. And honestly, I'm not even looking for answers. I'm looking for people to share their stories as like a matter of historical records. You know, what you're doing, what I'm doing, what a lot of people are doing. We're documenting the stuff there. There isn't you know, something that's there isn't a governing body that's dedicated to documenting all of this stuff, you know. So I think we were doing what we can, and it's I do think it's important. I started off looking for answers, but the more I've been digging, the more questions I have. So I've just I've decided that I'm not going to get the answers I'm looking for. But the further I keep going, it's like I said, you just keep getting more and more questions. Because nothing, nothing seems to make a whole lot of sense anymore. Yeah, and it's easier to go from bigfoot and flush and bone to like using interdimensional as a possibility, you know, like stuff like that kind of gets easier as the deeper. You go, right, And that's where I struggle with because again, I have friends that are not on that whole loose side, and they can explain how the whole wose side came about out how it's not real, and like they so, but I lean more towards that just because it doesn't make any sort of sense that we haven't had any sort of physical proof, as in, again, any sort of remains if you think about how everyone has a phone these days, all these all the security cameras, these trail cams, and then everyone's like, oh, well they can see them, they know what it can Well, how the hell do they know what a camera is? Right right, you know, And they're saying that they can see the the infrared or whatever, and you know, who knows what it looks like to them. But you know, if I'm in the woods and I see a bright light, I'm probably gonna walk the other way, right, you know, if I'm an average person in the woods at night, I would hope as an investigator, I check it out and take some pictures, but the average person, you know, should should walk away. I just don't. I feel like there's too many convenient excuses to write off explainable. They're trying to explain things that isn't even proven to exist in a rational manner, and I don't think you can be rational in that type of aspect. Yeah, I agree, it's you know, it's ridiculous claims. Dare say irrational claims, and you know, irrational explanation isn't going to cut it in most cases, you know, so what are you left with? You know. I'm also not saying that every person I talk to I believe, but I would say no, about seventy five eighty percent of them. I believe that they believe it, and that's that's good enough for me most of the time. If I know that, I'm you know, if I'm not feeling like i'm being jerked around. You know, you and I have the same exact mentality. I've said that too, I said, I'm very skeptical and I want to believe. Yeah, but I don't think that every person that comes on here is lying. But I'm sure there's been some here that have embellished. But also I truly believe that about almost like you said, eighty to ninety percent, if not maybe more, honestly believe what they're telling me. It doesn't mean what it is they're telling me is true, but it's true to them. Yeah, Because again, I I've had weird stuff happen that I can't explain. I literally seen a upright walking canine, like I don't call it dog Man because it didn't have the typical dog man features. It literally looked like a large black wolf that stood up and walked off on two legs. But yeah, it didn't have the hands or anything like that. But I don't believe in dog Man, So it's weird for me to be like, what did I see? Yeah, especially if someone doesn't believe in it. Yeah, that's that's a lot like my father. My mother is a believer in a lot of things in paranoral, but my dad's a skeptic, and you know, God love him. He supports what I do, and he's actually seen some strange stuff, but he still doesn't believe. He's one of those skeptics, you know what I mean, right, And so he saw this weird headless ghost thing like outside when he was walking with my mom, like early one morning, you know, they're super early risers, and they go for a walk at like four point thirty in the morning, rural area and he sees this tall, like eight foot tall, like whitish. He described it as a ghost, and you know, knowing my dad, he says ghosts and he's describing like something all in white, you know. But he said it was headless and it just kind of glided behind a property that he was walking by, and he tried to get my mom's attention, but it was gone before she could turn and look. And he was really like excited about it. He's like, I don't know what that was, and I don't believe in ghosts, but I got to tell my son what I saw, and sure enough he told me, and I don't know. I think it's pretty cool that people who don't believe, a whole bunch of them still have some sort of story. You know, almost everybody has a strange story, and not to mention like pulp culture speaking wise, like even growing up, some of our favorite things or otherworldly or paranormal, you know, like look at Scrooge and you know, three ghosts visiting at night, and it's kind of been instilled in us, you know, from you know, probably you know, centuries. But when we're thinking of the generations as we know them now, like Boomers to gen Z, we've kind of been inundated with imagery in these stories, you know, since childhood. I feel like there's been a big influx with I think it was like more of the sixties and seventies, you had like your Bigfoot boom, Yeah, for sure, I don't know. I know there's like Harry and Henderson's in the eighties, but like I think it kind of petered out a little bit until honestly, probably like finding Bigfoot, I think really influenced a lot more people again, and it's kind of made it popular. You know. That's that's a pretty good observation, like general general cryptid wise, I think the early eighties kind of belonged to the chub Oficabra and cattle mutilations, you know that that's when that stuff kind of blew up. And also the seventies, sixties and seventies and fifties as well had a boom of UFO stuff, and that also seemed to kind of die down in that eighties. I wonder if that was kind of a Reagan thing, and I don't know. That's interesting. Yeah, I remember the early ninety as I think it was is when I first heard of the Tupacabra. I remember. I don't know if it was Unsolved Mysteries or what, but I remember they were speaking to I think it was in like Puerto Rico. Yeah, but they called it the Goat Sucker and they were showing the animals and everything else. But then like the cattle mutilations were going on, and yeah, like ten year old kid here learning all this stuff of monsters out there. Yeah, and scaring the hell out of ourselves watching Unsolved Mysteries and Robert Spact being a freaking creeper, but in the good, the good sense that voice and how he he just you know, somebody who seemed to be held in high esteem was telling these truly crazy stories. Very influential. Yeah, I don't know. I think the show was called Sightings. Do you remember that one? I do, Yeah, Leondard Nimoy, I think that. I think that was in search of Oh, yeah, you're right. Siding was from the nineties, and I don't remember what it was, but they used to have a lot of UFO stuff on that one too. And I remember the late nineties used to have like on mainstream like NBC, they would have like these weird UFO documentaries on like a Saturday night. Yeah, I think even Disney did one. I feel like all that stuff kind of died off too, but now you have like all these shows on your History channels or your Discovery channel all that stuff, So I think those kind of took over that aspect and cable, but like mainstream network KIV back then in the nineties was actually showing this type of stuff because I'm pretty sure they had the Alien Autopsy on like UPN or something back in the day. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I think that is I can attribute to the X Files because I think that made it really popular for that whole nineties era too. Absolutely. But yeah, well, is there anything else? I know you've you're a man of many hats. Is there anything else you would like to discuss? What we're still on here? I will say so, I have a new book coming out and just like a month or so, and it's it's called Humanoid Encounters, and I uncovered just lots of stories I didn't I didn't. I didn't know it existed. That was, you know, it was kind of getting away from UFO stuff, but not really as well, because a lot of humanoid encounters are extraterrestrial encounters. And it turns out that I covered like thirty of them and the book that just came out last year. But I also was able to uncover like one hundred more stories, but one that was driving me nuts where I couldn't find it anything about it. I have this chapter called Psychotic Aquatics, and you know, this is about amphibious aliens, you know, from the water, and we have some pretty freaky stories. But I'm a big fan of the Loveland frog Man and I was trying to uncover a frogman's story from Maine and I just couldn't find anything. And it wasn't until Thanksgiving of last year, so not that long ago when I finally discovered a story about frog people in Maine. And it's from this guy name. His last name is Susie. I forget his first name, DL Susie maybe, and he's an author and he's since retired, but he uncovered this story about these frog people from the early nineteen hundreds and it's this rural area in Maine, and he got the story from like this nineteen oh nine book written by a George Cleveland, and it's called in Maine or Maine in Verse in story, and it has poems and all these stories in it, and there's story called the Remic Case. And I just thought that was an odd title in this nineteen oh nine book, you know, everything else was kind of of the time, but then there was like the Remic Case. It kind of like sounds like something you would write today, you know, the something case. So I get a digital copy of the book and I read the entire story. It's about this gentleman named Silas Remick, and he was twenty five years old and he had a homestead with his mother and his siblings and his father. But his father had passed away at this point, and there was this lake called Devil's Lake, of course, where townspeople avoided. It wasn't, you know, the easiest place to get to, so it was easy to avoid. But they said weird things happened at the lake and to not go there. So he heeded the warning until his father passed away and curiosity got the better of him, so he went and the first day he went, he caught a whole bunch of trout and he was ecstatic. So he went home. His mother's like, oh my god, this is a devil's leg geez, like be careful, but you might want to keep going there, and he's like yeah. So, like a couple of days went by, and he typically went fishing on the weekends. You know, he's busy running the homestead. But a couple of days go by and he's like obsessed with this lake. He can't stop thinking about it, and he's like, I'm going to go. I'm going to go right now. So he goes and he catches a whole bunch more trout. Another couple of days go by and he goes again, and more trout, and he keeps going, and he keeps getting more trout, and now he's going so much that he's you know, shirking his responsibilities at the homestead. And his mother notices and she's like, you gotta stop. We have enough fish. We can't even keep up. We're giving it away. And he's like, you're right, I'll stop going. But he didn't. The very next day he went, and that was the day he did not come home. His mother was beside herself. Come nightfall, she went to the neighbors, and then the neighbors beyond those neighbors, and they all formed like a search party, and they went up to the lake and they found his fishing rod, and they found a bunch of trout that he had on a line, and none of it was touched or eaten or anything. And they're like, what the hell where did he go? And like he must have fallen in the river, but or the lake. But how is this stuff, you know, on this path? And nothing made sense. And five years went by, no sign of Silas. And this New Yorker moves to the area and he hires a local and the local is responsible for taking him fishing and doing work at his camp. And the New Yorker is into the paranormal and he talks to the local about it quite a bit. The local is a bit of a skeptic, so he's like, come on, you gotta have a story or something. And he tells them about Silas going missing, you know, so it's more of like a missing person kind of story, and and he's like, well, I want to know about that lake, Devil's Lake. The New york was saying, like you know, is there something creepy up there? And he's like, I don't know. They say not to go there, so I don't go. And he's like, well, I dare you. Let's go. Let's see if we can find out what happened to Silas. So the next day they, you know, the local agreed. They go. They're canoeing there, you know, they walk the path, they get up there, they get the canoe in the water, and so now they're paddling around Devil's Lake and they're seeing how beautiful this area is. And there's these caves and there's these cliffs, and there's like this mountainous area and they're like, wow, this is really great. And as they're paddling and just kind of enjoying the view, they're like, there's nothing really weird here. And then there's like the splash and the water and they look and it looks like it's a bottle, and so they paddle over to it and they pick it up and sure enough, it's like a pickle jar, and like, what the hell is this? And so they open it up and inside is a piece of paper and it's all wet. So they paddled ashore and they put it on a rock and it's a hot day, so you know, they're trying to dry it out on the rock, and they dry it out and they can read it, and it turns out that it's a letter from Silas, and in the letter, Silas is writing about what happened to him and if somebody gets this letter, tell his mother what happened. But on that last day, Silas went to go fishing. When he was walking back down the trail, he said, these two figures popped out on the trail and apprehended him. But the story starts even before that. So he starts going to the lake and he's going every other day. Then it turns into every day. But when he's up there from afar, he can see these figures watching him from the cliffs and from the caves, and he's like, what are these weird strange men just like just watching me. And he's like, well, they're keeping their distance. I'll keep my distance and we're good to go. And as the days go by, they're kind of getting closer and closer, and he's like, I don't think these are people. And he's looking at them. He doesn't have binoculars or anything, but he's looking at them, and they're not quite men. They look like men's bodies, but their skin is weird and their faces are reptilian, in his opinion. So that day that these two figures stood up in that path and apprehended him, he got a really good look at him. And in the letter he says they had the face of frogs. And when they apprehended him, he got all dizzy and he remembers the coldness of the water on his feet, but then he passed out. He wakes up, he doesn't know how long later, and he's kind of has this labored breathing. He's getting enough air, but it's really hard to breathe, and he feels like he's kind of floating, and his eyes are blurry, and finally his vision clears and he realizes that he's inside this prison like thing underwater, and he can look out this window in this weird cell that he's in, and he can see other frog people swimming by, kind of like going about their day. It's it's like he's in their underwater town. And every once in a while the door unlocks and these two frog people come and get him, and they bring him somewhere, but anytime they bring him somewhere, he passes out, but he's really in a sleepy state at first, and sometimes he can sense lightness above him, and he takes that to mean he's closer to the surface of the water when there's this brightness above him. So he decides to write this letter everything I'm telling you now and put it in this jar, And when they take him out of the cell and he sees the brightness, he lets the jar go. And they assume after reading this letter that that might have been what just happened, because it came up and splashing out of the water. So the New Yorker is like, what the hell you think about that? We got frog people now, And the guy's like, no, this is a big joke. I'm sure somebody just wrote this letter and put it in, you know, blah blah blah. He wasn't believing it, and the New Yorker was believing it. And that's basically where the story ends. But I did get my Frogmth's story, and I think it's a great one. Whether you know, I know it sounds a lot more like Lord than actual story, but I love it. M I was going to say, you think this has any sort of connection with the people playing were Frogman in Loveland, Ohio. I don't know, because those were described a lot differently. They were almost wizard like, you know, in that initial story. Never made any sense with the want I know, so weird. So you know, could they be related, of course, you know, or it is just, you know, just a story in a book of fictional stories. Maybe. But it had a strange title for its time, just in my opinion, and it read like a true story. You know, it's like twenty five pages long. This is a really condensed version I told you, and you know, and it reads like a true story. It's got first and last names, and I can look and have looks some of those up and we're real people. So is there anything to it? I don't know, but it's fascinating and I have to retell the story, so I recapped it in my new book, and I'm very excited for people to, you know, read the full version of what I just told you among all the other stories. Now, where can they find your book? Up? Really? Wherever books are sold, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, stuff like that. But you can type my name into Google. No mar Slavic sl e V I K and you'll find all of my works. You can also go to all my links dot com slash Slavic and find all my work there. I'm pretty easy to find with the unique last name. I'll make sure to put information in the show notes for anyone listening. Thank you. Well, we've been going on for about an hour. I usually try and keep episodes around an hour. So before we wrap it up, though, would you like to let everyone else again remind them of your podcast and your documentaries and everything else. Yeah, so the podcast I want to believe wherever you find your podcast, Spotify, Apple, all that good stuff. I have a documentary called Although Worldly of More and it's exclusively on Paraflex Paranormal Plus, So there is a paywall to get it, but you don't pay just for my documentary. You pay and you get access to all of the TV shows and documentaries and stuff they have, and then they have a bunch of stuff. So that's pretty cool. And I have all my books available on Amazon. I have my own online bookstore, and I'll make sure to get the links to Brandon here so you can have them in. The show notes. But yeah, a new book is coming out just in about a month or so. It's called Humanoid Encounters, and it'll be available on Amazon, Kindle, Apple Books, my own bookstore, my own online store. And I'm giving a bunch of talks this summer at libraries across Maine and I call it no More Sluvic Spooky Summer, which is silly, but but yeah, that's what I got going on. Is most of your work focused on Main. Yeah? Yeah, mostly. There's one book called Granite Skies and that takes place in New Hampshire and it's one gentleman's lifelong experiences with extraterrestrials. He's like plagued by abductions and so that's a story about him, and he's a New Hampshire native. Okay, Yeah, because most, yeah, most of the stuff we were talking about was in Main I was like, well, I have focus on Indiana because I'm from here too, and you're from Maine. 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