Ep. 212: Cattle Mutilations

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact. Do this thing? It don't like death. Welcome back to Tied Foil Tells tonight. I am joined by my guest, Ian Ian. Thanks for coming out here tonight and talk with me anytime. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Yeah, as you said, my name is Ian. I'm very interested in paranormal topics, probably because I've had a lot of weird things happen in my life. So I also have a background in science, so I kind of apply that methodology to understanding paranormal phenomenon And yeah, I have a bachelor's and masters in science, but now pretty much all that I think about is spooky. So glad to be. Here, Definitely glad to have you. So your email that you sit to me talked about cattle mutilations. Is this something that you've always been interested in or is this something you just kind of started looking into recently. Well, it grabbed my attention just because you see it on YouTube. You see it on like Skinwalker Ranch type shows. Even Netflix had a series recently about it or a show about it, and it seems to be this like apparent phenomenon that's tangible and repeatable, so it's like a really obvious mystery. So it really grabbed my attention, and I was like, this is something I could potentially solve because it's not as nebulous as like a typical like a ghost or something like that, where you can't there's no video. These are well documented, repeatable, global phenomena. So I was like, eventually, I think I'm going to be able to pick up on some patterns here, but it took a while. Well, if you want to dive into it, I will turn it over to you and we can listen to you about everything you've researched and what you've determined. Yeah, so I would see these events and I didn't really know what to make of them. So I'm also really interested in archaeology. My background is like ecology, evolution, and behavior, so I'm really into like wildlife and things like that, but then also kind of combined with an interest in like Stone Age hunting things like that up through the Native American times, especially in North America. So I'm fairly aware of what used to be here in North America, which is huge, vast herds of bison. So that's always kind of in the back of my mind, but I hadn't really applied it to this phenomenon cattle mutilations because it's not obviously connected. So over time, I'd just be sitting there chatting with like Chad GPT and I'd be like, well, is there any correlation between where cattle mutilations and the bison used to exist? And immediately it has must have access to like bison maps and things. It's like, oh, we might have something here, And so then I get into this prolonged discussion with chadgpt about, Okay, how how well does this line up? And then I kind of switch from that. I go over to GROCK and I'm asking it, okay, let's map the cattle mutilations relative to where the bison used to be. And then I start lucking uckily. GROC will show you what it's doing, so you can see what mutilation events it's pulling up, what you know it's Sometimes it'll just build in data that isn't actually based on anything, so you have to catch it doing that. And you also have to exclude the which I learned eventually, the cattle mutilations that don't involve exanguination because these are not substantiated cases. So this is something that a human could do, like some guy in Southwest Washington gets his cowshot or something. This is not going to be representative of the overall phenomenon of cattle mutilations. So eventually I learned to filter out or filter for exanguination. And then when you apply that filter and you ask GROC to find the amount of overlap between cattle mutilations and the historic bison range, it can't find any that are outside of the bison range. And I've I've drew a map on my kitchen island. I've got this huge map and I put dots on it, and I looked at it, and it's so precise. It'll go up to the edge of where the bison used to be and never cross. So the Stanford map I use that in combination with a map put out by a scientist named Sanderson in two thousand and eight. And so there's data from the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties, and that's great for establishing this, but some of the newest data is some of the most striking because it's an Oregon between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty four, and the cattle mutilations all involve exsanguination. They're all east of where the bison used to be, so they're all in the eastern fifty percent of Oregon which used to have bison because historically the bison didn't go past the Cascade Range onto the west coast. So all of it lines up with this pattern, even though there are cattle raised across the entire state, and if you go one state to the north into Washington, almost none of it had bison historically, and there are no mutilations there, and you can do this state by state. There's another case down in Chihuahua, Mexico where this is about the southwest extent of any known exanguination cases, and there's a dot right there where the bison range bison range ends and the exanguination occurred. Same in Ocalla, Florida, it's right there in another edge case where the exhanguination event occurred and the bison range ended. So it's it's over and over, it's repeatable. It goes all the way up into into Canada where you have zero mutilations in the provinces that didn't historically have bison, so Manitoba, Quebec, Ontario, and probably British Columbia, although there's there's some different kind of reports on that. I'd want to research that more tons of cattle in these areas, zero mutilations and also very little bison territory, especially Ontario and Quebec. Manitoba had a bit, but no mutilations there. In Saskatchewan about half of it we think had bison, they have also had mutilations, and every single one of those mutilations happened where bison territory used to be, and you go another province over to Alberta, which had the greatest number of bison historically in some of the last remaining herds, it has the most cattle mutilations. So I mean, the correlation is striking. Speculation is absolutely delicious, and when you get a pattern like this, but I'm not stuck on any particular explanation, but the pattern itself is remarkable. So then I took that, I wrote an essay up about it, and then I started looking globally because mutilations have occurred globally, and you start seeing a pattern emerge in Argentina and Brazil and the UK, excuse me, and Australia as well as France. You've had mutilations. What has happened in each of these places has been this culture replacement of a hunter prey relationship that extended deep into the past. So there was this tradition of hunter and prey that was replaced by a domestic animal. When that occurs, you can predict every single time that that domesticated animal will experience some rate of mutilation. And it seems to be dependent also on how rapidly that culture is severed and replaced, because in the UK. It was a slower process where the Gales and the Celtics were displaced by the Anglo Saxons and the Normans, and they've had fewer mutilations. It was like sheep, but not as many. However, if it's rapid and extreme, you get way more like the Guanaco that were wiped out or drastically reduced in southern Argentina as recently as last year. Lots of cattle mutilations in that area, because that's the species that was brought in by the Spanish to replace the Guanaco. And there's a lot more details involved here. There was an outlier case in southern Brazil that I was having difficulty fitting into this model of deep historic hunter prey relationship gets severed, replaced by domesticated animal, domesticated animal gets mutilated, because there was a human that was exsanguinated in nineteen eighty eight and southern Brazil. So I started I was like, wonder, how do I fit this into the theory? Well, I end up learning that the two P people which is spelled Tupi, were cannibals and they would hunt other tribes of these of two P people, they would they would hunt each other and bring them in as captives, then eventually cannibalize them. When the Portuguese arrived, they ended up getting cannibalized as well by these indigenous tribes. And so perhaps to this phenomenon, the Portuguese people represented the domesticated livestock, so that might be how this fits in, because they've also had cattle and sheep mutilations in that same area. So it's the fact that every time mutilations occur involving exanguination. That's the key. You can't just look up mutilations in general. It has to involve this bloodless aspect because that's so it just cannot be done. It's the most impossible thing about these although these events have this kind of overarching impossibility about them, and I think that's that's worth actually getting into a little bit more because the events themselves, I think have been grossly misinterpreted. I think it's clearly like an artistic display, it's meant to shock, it's meant to be noticed, it's meant to be remembered, and that explains the characteristics. So the exclusion of coyotes and bugs and things like that, that's to make sure the artwork if you want to call it, that is not disturbed. That's to make sure that everything that's been done there is not messed up. There's no gray areas about what's going on here, how it's been produced is maintained for the visual. Ranchers have reported feeling the need to go out and see these exangminated cattle. They feel like strangely compelled to go out and see them, and they can't explain it. So it's it's literally pulling. Whatever's doing this is pulling randers outside to find and then they have lights actually guiding them in the sky. They are being conjured somehow. Ranchers report seeing lights. These lights are basically like lures saying here, this is this is why I want you to come see this, and this is uh yeah, so there. These are the patterns I've noticed. It's an extremely kind of dark phenomenon. But the fact that it's so predictable and tied to these historical events where a hunter prey relationship is severed and replaced by domestic livestock is fascinating to me. Because it's so predictable, there's some situations where you might think, well, why didn't it happen in maybe New Zealand where the Maori were displaced and colonized. The one possibility there is that they didn't have a set cultural animal that they were. They kept switching kind of between praise species. That's one possibility, So it didn't kind of have this ecological resonance over time. It's one explanation. Who knows. I mean, the fact that this pattern is largely consistent across the entire globe is I think striking to me. And just the distribution of mutilations in North America, how it follows the historic bison territory is remarkable, and other theories just don't work for this. If you go through the list of different theories like aliens et cetera, I don't there's no reason why aliens would follow these historic areas where hunting was occurring consistently for this long. There's no motivation there. Why would they be following that? Why wouldn't they go just elsewhere and do whatever? Not to mention the fact that it's clearly performative, the way the skin is removed from around the teeth creates this absolute, just vile like facial expression on the victim, whether it's human or a cattle or a horse in France, which which occurs in France. Yeah, So these deeply historic relationships between humans and their prey species, whether it's the Celtics that are hunting the oric and the red deer, or the Aborigines and the wallaby, the emu in the kangaroo, whatever it is, If there's deep time associated with that hunter prey relationship and it gets severed rapidly and replaced by a domesticated species, that domesticated species gets targeted by this mutilating phenomenon, whatever it might be, I lean toward it being more of a spiritual than a corporeal entity, just because the amount of perfection an undetected operation is just inexplicable given something with human limitations. It couldn't it could not be accomplish, not for sixty seventy years, and however long this phenomenon has been operating, which might actually extend deep into history as well. And that's so, that's about as far as I've taken it. I keep researching it and wondering about it's you know, where might we predict that it would happen next? Where might we see this actually in history books? Maybe with the Aztecs. If they're doing sacrifices, maybe this is because they saw mutilated animals and they thought, maybe this is a god telling them to that this is what it wanted, and so that was their reaction, even though it's not what the god wanted. What the god wanted was nature to be operating in the more natural hunter prey relationship thing, and they were maybe causing too much ecological disruption. Who knows, it's just I think I think this is about as close as I've gotten to fully understanding it. The one thing that I always thought was interesting is the noe blood. And I've seen skeptics say, well, the kill site was somewhere else and they drained the blood and this whatever, But that is the one thing that's always stood out to me. Is like the surgical precision of the dissection of the animal. Like of the cattle, there's no blood, there's certain things cut completely like it's too perfect in a sense that some farmer went out there and did this, or some jokes or went out there and did this. Someone had to do, you know, like they had to do what they were doing to try and come out and do this. It's just not something that someone goes out there and does. Now, with your research and from what you're talking about, what do you where do you think all this stuff is goot? Like, what is the purpose of this? Do you have any idea like where the blood goes, what they're using it for, what they're doing the mutilations for others. You said something about artwork showing it off, But it also brings up the question of who and what is actually doing this. I know that's the question everyone wants to ask. They think it's aliens. I think it's that in your opinion, Like, what do you think all this is about? Yeah, if it's time to speculate, then I first I leaned into the kind of the mother nature aspect, and at first it's very normal to think, Okay, the blood is being used for something, the organs are being used for something. But I think it's much more of a mirror to how it whatever it is, and I don't think it's a corporeal and I think it's more in the spiritual realm, and we can get into that. I think it's more so mirroring how it sees us using domesticated livestock, so we have this impersonal cold industrial relationship with livestock, and then it mirrors that back to us by exanguinating them, by perfectly carving them up with symmetrical like eye sockets and disemboweling and leaving no trace. It's cold, it's calculated, it's impersonal, and I think it's also trying to convince us that this is not being done by the fact that anybody even entertains the possibility that's been done by people means I haven't seen these because ranchers don't talk like that. Ranchers don't come away saying, you know, who was in my field. They don't say that. Maybe the FBI in nineteen seventy nine, you know, starts talking about that kind of thing, but the FBI can't talk about things in the spiritual realm having these effects that they lose their jobs or it's just something that's not a language they can use. So I'm really open to anything that could behave perfectly. And I mean I have a history of being a pretty much a strict materialist into science. I was the kid in high school that's arguing with everybody that there's no God. But as time has gone on and I've accumulated experiences, I've had so many weird things happen, ghosts and synchronicities and sleep paralysis, et cetera, that there's just I don't think there's any limit to what could possibly happen. One of my favorite quotes about reality, it's not just stranger than we think it is, it's stranger than we can think it is. So I think it's important to remain open to any possibilities, especially when the evidence repeats over and over and over again with these impossible events, Like you said, the exanguination, we're not finding drops of blood anywhere. They might try to say in nineteen seventy nine in an Arkansas study that the ground can absorb what eight to ten gallons of blood. That's absurd, it's ridiculous. Any brancher knows what a dead cow that's been in a field for a while looks like, and they are shocked for a reason when they find these exanguinated animals. It doesn't look like an animal that has been naturally rotting in a field. It's a completely different phenomenon. And to trust the ranchers and their experience with these systems, they're the ones who know, and they're also they're not motivated to make up a story to protect There no pun intended to protect their hide. So if I'm if I'm speculating wildly, I mean at first I was almost I was like calling it the phantom because like it's like a phantom presence that's doing this. But I think it's it's like more of a message from the great beyond the even like the realm of the gods. It's a message of look what you've done in nature. I'm going to show you how you treat nature by treating your replacement species with absolute disrespect, because they this entity feels disrespected. It feels that the land has been totally like destroyed basically from what it was supposed to how it was supposed to operate. And I know it sounds ridiculous, that's it's. Basically like we've tained it the land, we've brought it in different species to replace the natural ones that were there with invading species. Yes, I've talked to some people recently, and anyone that listens to my show, they know what I say when it comes to certain things. But I think a lot of this phenomenon that happens is all somehow connected. People see ghos, people see these cryptid creatures they see aliens. Some people get spiritual on it and call them religious icon like demons or something like that, or I don't know what they are. I just feel like almost everything that we encounter is probably connected somehow, and I don't know how to determine where they're from or what they are other than I just feel like all this stuff is somehow connected. Absolutely absolutely. I feel like one of the deepest insights I've ever had in my life is the sense that everything is connected and that there's a lot of agreement with that and classic philosophies and other religions that there's no the illusion of separation is just that there is no separation. Oddly and maybe even striking to me, after I fumbled upon this pattern of bison range and mutilations, I started having synchronosities, Like every day I'd get these really weird coincidences. The first was I pulled up like I was getting close to a gas station to go like get tea or something, and this van pulls in front of me and the back of it says, you're building the future. We're here to help. And I was like, Okay, this seems like a message. But another day passes and I and I don't know where any of these discoveries are gonna go. And a van pulls up in front of me. And because I'd been thinking I'm just gonna I'm gonna quit. I'm not even gonna talk about this stuff anymore, this van pulls up in front of me and says, no excuses. I was like, jeez, Louise. And then I finally post a little video on my YouTube channel. And I go walking to the gas station again to get tea and I hear a lady tell her friend on the poor you figured it out, yay. But they're just talking to each other. But I'm like, you're gonna say that right when I walk past. After I I might have just stumbled upon this pattern that might have some explanatory powers. Is the synchronosity is sort of accumulating. You just feel like something's going on. And I actually wrote an essay before any of this happened. There's like twenty five hundred words about all the synchronicities I've ever had, and it's trying to explain them because I try to pick them apart from both sides of just inevitability or or some sort of actual communication from an intelligence, because they always they seem like that, they seem like they're a communication, and I think cattle mutilations are the sign of an act of intelligence. I don't think I've thought about the possibility that it's like a spasm of nature and when nature's violated, it's kind of spasms in this way, and it's involuntary, but the specificity and the perfection involved, and like the bison range mapping, I mean that the way it occur is deeply cautious, like it knows what it's doing, whatever it is, and it doesn't make mistakes, and then it makes sure what it's done is seen. So I think there's evidence of consciousness behind it, but I don't think it's corporeal or even alien. There is something that people have been experiencing. It was one of the first episodes I had done. And it's like a design like these red they've been called like the red grid mark phenama, And people find these red splotches or designs on their skin and they show up randomly. They don't know where they come from. Then they go away. But when people have them, sometimes they report seeing like they're not seen, but having vivid dreams basically like really lucid dreaming. They've had them on their heads, they've have on their back, on the wrist, and the person that I talked to about it, they seem like they're done intelligently, Like it's like something that's trying to communicate once to know, And when you're talking about the cattle mutilations, it reminds me of that, like something's trying to communicate. I'm not saying they're connected, but at the same time, I think everything's connected one way or the other. So is this something out there trying to show itself to us? People talk like with the crop circles. Now, most people think crop circles are made by humans. I think they mostly probably are, But what about the ones that maybe aren't. Is something trying to communicate? Yeah, I think it's totally possible. I had, actually, and maybe just because I'm hyper aware of all these things, I had actually a red dot had appeared on my right knee that I'd never seen before until the past week or so. So I've had the exact say, it's tiny, but the fact that I noticed it means I'm like, I don't think I would have gone without noticing it. In the past since it's short season, but so I have I've got a red dot, so I got the same thing going on. And yeah, it's it's interesting when when you think about these things as communications, because I even puzzled over the fact that if it is trying to tell us something, could it be like clearer, could it be more obvious, like spell it out, like just write it in words, or have somebody have a vision. And then there's there's different kind of ways of thinking around that, Why isn't it a more obvious communication from this entity? And I don't know, It's almost like it needs us to figure things out for ourselves so that the solution is more meaningful and has more staying power. And if it just tells us things, I mean people probably just have mass hysteria like or they wouldn't even be believed. So it has to lay clues and then it gets figured out and then the impact could be could be known as opposed to somebody who's like, well, you know, the gods were talking to me last night, and you know I couldn't start the podcast that way, So yeah, it could be that that's how it goes. But this is a mysterious realm just kind of like the rest of reality. So it's unknown, but it does seem to be a communication, and it's not a pleasant one. It seems to be upset with something that's happened in that space to upset the natural balance, and it's showing a certain measure of wrath and perfection. I don't necessarily think it's a specific like I don't I'm not gonna say it's God or I'm not gonna say it's a specific thing. I'd hesitate to put a label on it. But I was just talking to a friend today and the characteristics of cattle mutilations actually line up perfectly with Artemis, the Greek god of the goddess of the hunt, the perfectionism, the wrath, the interest in the hunt itself, so she would have motive. Not saying that's where I'm leaning, I'm really just having fun with speculation, but the fact that it lines up so perfectly is interesting and interesting is about as far as I can go with this, because the patterns are there and I can substantiate those, and then the speculation about what's doing it is I think always going to elude me. But it's fun to think about. You'd mentioned like your interest in like paranormal and supernatural elements. Is there something that's you've experienced prior to this? There's a method to my madness. Usually people that go into looking into things like this had some sort of event that happened to them when they were. Young, numerous stuff, And really it didn't really start cooking until after my dad passed about twelve years ago. And then after that it was sleep paralysis, which I wrote an essay about. It was synchronicities that were hard to shake off that they make you think that the way reality operates is different than you ever thought before. So I don't know if you want me going into anecdotes, but I definitely could, Yeah, if you want to. Yeah, I was, So I was. I went back to the zoo. I live in Omaha, and the zoo here's great, and I had a job there doing overnight tours. And I I had a history of just quitting every job. I'd start a job, I'd quit it because eventually I just didn't want to be controlled by it, even if I liked it. And I liked the overnight tour job at the zoo was fun, and so I tried to go get the job back and I was leaving the zoo from trying to get the job back and I saw a great Cavalier drive by on the left and I was like, okay, interesting. And then a gray trash can rolls into the street on the right and I had to avoid it. I was like, weird, the gray cavalier gets my attention. And then a great trash can rolls in from the opposite side of the street, so I was like, okay, well, maybe it's nothing. A few cars later, another gray cavalier drives by on the left side of the street, and for some reason, I just knew the pattern wasn't done. So I went over. I visited my mom's house and I told her I'm in the midst of some sort of interesting pattern here, and if we go, if we take the dogs for a walk, we will see a great cavalier. And I guarantee you we'll see great cavalier. It's going to happen. The first car we see on the walk was a great Cavalier, and that just then I had to kind of just shift my whole idea, my paradigm about how I thought reality operated, because that seemed so clear, and I knew that it was coming like I knew, And there's so many there's so many other things. The sleep paralysis events were notable. They only happened really in this kind of tumultuous part of my life, was partying, going crazy, doing all this stuff. So again, the story involves my mom's house, which has a history of kind of some a couple families where it was kind of spooky. The first family, they were Christian scientists that a kid pass away because they wouldn't give him medicine and he was involved in like a fall, et cetera. And then the second family, there's a psychologist who would have his pay patients meet at the back door and they take them to the basement for the for whatever treatments they were having. And this house was built in nineteen twenty eight, so the stage is set for this house to have all sorts of activity, not to mention the fact that my dad passed away here with als in twenty thirteen. So anyway, the first time I had sleep proalyssis in the basement. I was laying on my back and I felt this weight crawl up my feet and you know you're conscious, You think your eyes are open. I think some studies have shown that your eyes aren't actually open, but you definitely feel like you're seeing the room and you can't move. And this thing was crawling up my legs into eventually sitting on my chest like the famous painting about sleep Prolyssi is the name of it, and escapes me. Now, so I get curious about these things. So I go back to the basement and I lay down on my right side. I was like, well'll see if this will happen if I'm not laying on my back, because I think this might be associated with that. This thing comes back, whatever it is, crawls up my left side and his is in my ear, and I just tried to maintain my composure. I was like, not real, not real, not paying attention to you, whatever, And so I thought. I left the basement that day thinking I won. You know, this is, I got it cooked. I mean, this is it's not gonna mess with me. I'm too brave and I'm too cool. So another time I'm upstairs at the same house and I fall asleep on the couch on my I think it was left side this time, maybe right side, but it was on my side because it's a couch and I wake up and frozen again, and there's a tornado of black smoke by this grandfather clock by the front door. Tornado of black smoke, and it sounds like a freight train, and all I can do is shift my eyes and look at it. I'm just like, what is this and just terrified. And then in a flash, it's next to me, and it sounds like the universe is like fragmenting. It's the loudest thing I can imagine. And then you eventually snap out of it, and I'm like, okay, how do I like? The rest of the day just seems spooky. But then I finally start getting my act together. I stop partying this and that, and I have one final sleep paralysis where I wake up I'm frozen, but there's no terror, and this being that looks like it's made of black and blue, dark kind of slightly shimmering pixels walks by my bed and all I can do is look at it, and this thing smiles at me. It looks like a shadow of pixels, and then it's gone, and I've never had sleep paralyssis again since then. So those events, while they have some sort of like precedent in the literature, psychological stuff. Some people wouldn't say that's not paranormal. When you've had it happen, it doesn't seem super normal. It's like the nexus, the combination, the overlap between normal and like tangibly paranormal. So there was that. I mean, the list is long of anecdotes. I heard my dad's voice clearly in my left ear once when I was in kind of this hypnogogic state of like almost falling asleep. And then my mom came upstairs after I'd heard him say get ready to talk, and then she said, did you say something from downstairs? So she had heard something. I don't know if I think she said it sounded like me. I wasn't talking. I'd heard my dad clear as day in my left ear, his voice after he had passed away, say get ready to talk, no doubt. And then tons of psychic stuff, like there was a time in the same house, and I've had things elsewhere, but this is the same house from nineteen twenty eight. That's what it was made. I was in the kitchen and I heard a woman laugh, and for whatever reason, I really wanted to know, Okay, where did that come from? I knew it wasn't my sister or my mom. I was like, where was that? So I was like, rewind the TV. Maybe it was Hillary Clinton, maybe it was something. It was something on TV. Nope, we played the TV. It wasn't that. And eventually my sister comes in from outside, sits down, plays a snapchat video on her phone and it's the same laugh that I had heard in the kitchen. So all of these events, the continued synchronicities, the things lining up. Just the other day, Just the other day, I was at Walmart and I was getting a white Monster, which are highly addictive. I love them, but I gotta stop. I knew when I put it on the conveyor belt at Walmart it was going to fall over. There was no doubt in my mind. It was guarantee, not because it was unstable. I just knew it was going to fall over, so I set it down. It's not, you know, unstable or anything. It's not even moving. And the guy he can't get my eggs to scan. He's just moving them all around, He's trying to find the bar code. It's just not happening. His right arm bumps into my groceries and creates this chain reaction that eventually knocks over the monster can and I was like, Okay, well, I guess I just have to live with these kind of things because they it just happens to me whatever. I think these are probably more common than a lot of people might say because they don't get discussed. They're so strange people. They fear the backlash, just like the same reason the FBI wasn't going to say, we think this might be mother nature itself, you know, sanguinating cows, They're going to say it's coyotes or whatever, because they just can't talk like that. When I was actually a science teacher for a while, not anymore. I'm doing other things. But I started a club for kids. I call it Paranormal Society, and we would get together and we would have a week where we talked about dreams or lucid dreams. We'd have a week when we talk about ghosts, or we'd have a holiday party around Christmas time where we watch the X Files episode with Christmas when they're there in the haunted house. And I was surprised by how many kids had never had eggnog before. But yeah, I just think things like that. It brings these experiences to the or where like Otherwise, kids wouldn't feel like they could even talk about this stuff, because I think a lot of people have these events, but they just don't feel like they can talk about them. It's just too strange, or they just discount them, they forget about them. But I think it's some of the coolest stuff that happens to anybody, because it kind of makes you finally believe that maybe reality like magic is possible. You don't it's not all just simple physics or what you would assume. It's just it absolutely erases boredom because now reality is without bounds, anything could happen. So that's that's why I developed an interest in all this stuff. And now my bookshelves are full of paranormal books and psychic photography. I've got the dousing riots I do taro. If I'm just when I'm feeling it, i'd do something like pull a card or something, But then I'm also reading about physics and mathematics and stuff, so I keep it. I'm always I would say my philosophy in general is that I'm an observationalist. I just want to see what nature can do, what does it do, and then go from that as opposed to assuming what nature's limitations are and then operating that way, which unfortunately seems like what a lot of science is based on. Where we start with this assumption, we limit nature, who put it into a box, and then we just search within that box. But it's don't We don't even have a good explanation for why reality exists at all. So stop putting limitations on it and and be open to open to experience. It might be surprised what happens. Yeah, And the next thing I wanted to study is imaginary friends. Like a lot of kids grow up and they have imaginary friends. And I was since I substitute teach, I was going to start like conducting interviews, probably with like sixth grade and older, because it just keeps things simple. But ask them if they remember having an imaginary friend, did they did they learn anything? Did it talk? Do they remember what it looked like? Is there some common ground where it's a certain type of individual that people remember. I think my niece had an imaginary friend that was an old man that we'd wonder was it my dad? Is my dad there with her? We don't know, But it's interesting all of these little phenomena that occur, and including aliens. Even though I don't think aliens or maybe what's happening with cattle mutilations, it's absolutely a phenomenon that's that's worth exploring. I just I really haven't had my alien experience yet. I don't think so. Synchronicity's ghosts, precognitive stuff, all the accounts of cattle mutilations. That's kind of where I focus now, But who knows what the future holds. I talked to someone before, I think it was a couple of years ago now that they were also a teacher and they did a group the focused on paranormal stuff. But when I was in school, I would I love something like that to happened, but we didn't have anything back then. But you're right when you mentioned a lot of people don't get to talk about it, because that's the reason I do this show, is because people have experiences and we don't get a chance to talk about it because there's still that stigma out there. You talk about certain things, people think you're crazy. And I know some people, you know what, maybe they are. I'm not going to go out and say that some people aren't crazy, because obviously there's going to be somebody out there that kind of is. But yeah, not everyone is crazy. Like people experience something, they're seeing something, they're having these experiences. Sometimes you just need a place to talk about. Absolutely. It's like Professor Axent in school got to have somewhere for those kids to go and and I mean, yeah, what reality is way more vast than what's what's been covered in the textbooks. Is just such a distilled way to represent what the extent of full extent of reality. It's being watered down. And that's why kids end up being demotivated and bored, is because they're being people trying to convince them and sell them a story about reality it doesn't fit with their own experience of reality as human living beings because that's already so far like it's so much more majestic and incredible than what they're they're learning. It's they're being subdued, so they get it. Yeah, I don't think school is great at creating inspiration, and it's probably not designed to do that generally, which is why I'm not part of it anymore. So I substitute pretty much just enough to have enough money to write. And so I was like writing books, but you put them on Kindle, nobody's nobody finds those. So then I start writing articles for journals and my writing is You could probably imagine this is also a little bit too edgy because you get into sleep paralysis and I could get into another story about house dreams. So there was there was a time when I was also having sleep proalyssis events. I would have these dreams that were scarier than sleep press dreams that transcended that fear by a factor of one hundred, like no problem and nothing in the dream itself. If you were to see it, if you were to step into the dream and see what I was saying, you'd like, why is this scary? But it was just unbridled fear, and it involved the house, and I'd get I'd be in the house and there'd always be one room and I knew it was somewhere, and I'd get close to it and the fear would start to kick in. And it's a fear like I cannot explain, like the most afraid you've ever been watching a movie or whatever. For me is it It's beyond like for me, I've never felt anything like it. I'd get goosebumps just talking about it. So in this house, I'd get to the room and I'm like, I'm not going in there. The fear would be too much. But one time I was like, I gotta go in, and I opened the room and it's like high windows on either side. The room is longer than it is wide. Really kind of antique furniture, dusty antiques in glass cases just just seems harmless. But the amount of fear from this room that I would feel was just shocking. It would it would sit with me the whole next day, and I didn't know how to interpret it. So I'd like, I'm diving into like Carl Jung's writing about archetypes, and apparently the symbol is that the dream is the entire psyche, my unconscious, my ego, et cetera, the whole thing, and then the room is how my unconscious thinks about me that I'm I'm I've become terrifying to it. So it's like showing me a mirror of how it feels about me, which is kind of a parallel to what cattle mutilations might be. It might be like, here, this is what you are doing, this is what this is your you're coldly treating these animals in this disrespectful way. You're you're disrespecting the history of the land, et cetera. It's kind of there might be a parallel there, but anyway, it's symbolic communication, and eventually, you know, I get my act together, the dreams disappear. I haven't dreamt about a house with a room in it since I started living a better life. But about a year or two when I got my act together, I had a Tinder date with someone and she tells me she's having house dreams, and I was like, oh, okay, So I said, you are in danger, something going on in your life you have to fix. And I've made sure she knew I was serious. I remember her name. I will absolutely not say her name. The date ends. We just kind of go our separate ways, and I think a friend her on Facebook or something. We don't really talk anymore, but I see her pictures and this is I mean, this is sad. But over time she disintegrated, she like slowly wilted away. I don't know what the problem was, but she passed away, and I wish I could go back to that date. And really, I don't know say at ten times instead of once, that you are in danger. You have to fix this or maybe reach out more for a second date. But the house dream seems to be an archetypal communication of deep danger. It seems to be and it seems to be almost universal. I even had another gal from a dating app tell me that she was because I asked her, because I could tell her life was just in disarray. She was always drunk when we would talk, always smoking, always just just in like in between jobs, like nothing seemed to be set up for. And I said, do you happen to be dreaming about a house with a room in it and maybe there's something wrong with this room? And she's like, yeah, I dream about a house in the basement is all messy and I don't go down there. I can't even go down into the basement in my in my dream. And I said, you have to fix whatever, you have to fix your life because you're you're in danger. But you tell most people that, and if especially if you don't know them, even if you do know them, they're gonna get They're going to defend themselves. They're not going to take that advice because you've just told yeah, yeah, so could you hear me there? Sorry, my thumb was over the thing. No, you're good. Yeah. So anyway, maybe I just need to get off dating apps. But yeah, dreams have meanings. Some people think they're just like the defragmentation of defragging the memories and the brains, like just processing things randomly. Maybe sometimes it is that, but not always. I've had precognitive dreams. There was a time at the first school where I taught, well, I had a week straight where I had dream after dream after dream, like five nights straight in October. It was in the fall, and they were all pre cognitive. The next day it would be validated. I had a dream that one of my students was going to start acting up and she was normally great. Very next day she's like cussing, she won't stop yelling. I was okay. Then I had another dream that a student that I'd never talked to was going to visit me in my room. The next day he comes by and we have a chat, even though we had never talked before. Then I have a dream about the football team winning their football game and they were going to score twenty points, and I tell that I was student teaching. I told the guy I was teaching under. It was training me, the guiding teacher, about this dream. He was the offensive coordinator. So on the van he tells the team about this dream I had that they won. So, yeah, mister Waterman, he had a dream that you guys won the game. He didn't tell him the score that I saw. I didn't. I don't know. I didn't know the opponent's score. I thought it had zero, and it's either zero or ten, but I dreamt twenty for the winning score. So I'm sitting there watching their game on a laptop and they had just scored their third touchdown, so they had twenty points. And I was like, well, if my dream's right, he's got to miss this extra point kick. And it sailed. It sailed wide, So I was like, well, there you go. I don't know what to make of these things. It seems to be like access to something I shouldn't have access to, But I don't think it's that rare across people. And even like the government with the Stargate program, they've they've use people's abilities to access information that we don't really know how they gain access to it. But the government's been interested in this for a long time, Stanford had a lab called I think it was Sri Where And I could be totally wrong about that, but I think they had it for decades where they studied psychic phenomena. And you don't do something for decades if it's if it's baseless. So and I know, like there's a lot of like law enforcement that uses psychics to like help them and things, so I don't think it's nothing. I've also had experiences with telepathy. I was working at a bookstore and they were the gal that ran that bookstore. She would practice telepathy with her mom. I think they would hold up one of three shapes and then the other would try to figure out what was the one of the three shapes they were looking at. And one day I couldn't remember how to pronounce her name, so thinking between the two pronunciations, and she just looks up and says it. She says it's pronounced, and I won't say her name, and as if she knew. And the next day I was there at the bookstore and I was like, did you like know what I was wondering about with your name? And she's like, some things just don't need to be discussed, like she just thought that was a rabbit hole we didn't need to go down. I was like, that's fine. I've even I've had times in relationshs like long term relationships with like a girlfriend, where I thought the phrase I love you in my head and she'd respond I love you, and I'd be like, I actually didn't say that out loud, and you know, you could just carry on. It's like, okay, well there's things that the things in this reality we don't totally understand, and I mean I like them, they don't They don't really scare me. They almost comfort me because it's that there's always more than meets the eye, and things never get boring that way because it's like anything as possible. And also no harm, no foul, right, like nothing bad happened. So yeah, I wish I could just uh. I actually had a dream the other day about ninety thousand. I was like, or at least for sure it was ninety and a bunch of zeros. And then the next day I got on Instagram and the was it the power Ball I think it was what was called or the Mega Millions was ninety million dollars and I was like scrambling to buy a ticket I was like, this might be it, but then I had downloaded an app or something. I was like, I don't want to give this at my credit card info. So I might have missed my chance. But that's fine because that'll keep me motivated to study cows and substituteach, you know, write and stuff. Gotta stay hungry. I can't be winning all this money'd be ridiculous. Where can everyone find you out? So you say you're right and you're doing all the studying on the cattle mutilations, is there something you're going to be putting out in regard to the mutilation discoveries that you've been looking into. Yeah, pretty much everything we talked about is on the video I posted on sound Science, So just a little alliteration for people sound Science on YouTube. And then Ganymede that's like the the Greek myth Ganymede underscore Graham like Instagram on Instagram is my page there, And yeah, I'd be open to talk to people about paranormal stuff anytime. I talk to former students about like the cow stuff, and you know, whoever's interested in these things, because the mystery is just I mean, it's so cool, it's it's the perfect mystery, especially the cow stuff, because you can understand just enough of it to feel like you're making progress, but you can't ever get all of it to feel like you got it wrapped up. So it's, uh, yeah, I'll probably be wondering about it for a long time. But yeah, those two, those two sites that would be It Sounds Science on YouTube and then Ganymede Graham on Instagram. Awesome. Make sure to send me the links to that, and then I will include those in the show notes for anyone listening. Awesome, But I think we can probably wrap this one up. Is there anything else before we do that you would like to discuss? I just really appreciate the opportunity. It's it felt like a way on my shoulders to discover this pattern and feel like, oh, I kind of tell somebody I don't like. I don't like knowing things that are kind of like that interesting and not being able to talk about it, especially since it's the summer and I'm not teaching, not that this is something I'm probably going to bring up at school, although there might be some high schoolers, like the certain type of dudes that might, you know, I could talk to them about it. But I just really appreciate the opportunity to talk to you about this, and uh, yeah, thank you very much. Hey, not a problem. I appreciate having you on. Thank you for being an awesome guest. 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