Ep. 238: Sea Monsters & the Bridgewater Triangle

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tales. I'm your host Brandon. Tonight we're gonna be doing with my guest, Kristin. Kristen is a researcher up around the Bridgewater Triangle in the northeastern part of the country. She's had several experiences that I wanted to talk to her about. One happens to be with a sea monster, so you don't typically hear a whole lot of those encounters. So I'm definitely looking forward to talking with her about that before we bring her on. If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tals, you can send me an email at Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com, or you can go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. You'd like to help the podcast out shared around That is the best way of getting the word out there about tenfoil Tals. And you can also leave a five star rating and review wherever you listen to Tenfoil Tales at So if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, just make sure to click the five stars and it does help me out. And if you'd like to help out by being a supporter of the show, you can check out the Patreon become a member. There early access to all the episodes and they're all ad free. But we're going to go ahead now and jump into the conversation with Kristin. Looking forward to talking with her, and I really hope you guys enjoy our conversation. I like to take this time and welcome my guest tonight, Kristin. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Oh, would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Oh sure, I live in Massachusetts. I been studying the Bridgewater Triangle area for a bouth fifteen years. But I've had experiences my whole life pretty much here, one of them being a siting in the early nineteen nineties before I gotten into any of this stuff, I was in Cohassett and I saw what looked like a miniature Luckness monster. And I was with my boyfriend at the time, and we were watching the sunrise, and we both just looked at each other and decided, let's never talk about this again, and let's never tell anyone because no one will ever believe us. And it was interesting but not creepy. It wouldn't be for twenty years that I would get into research about sea serpents in that area, and to my shock, there were hundreds of articles about sightings of sea serpents in the area of Nantasket. How cohas it going all the way down the Culshore to Provincetown. As you probably know, the sea serpents of the North Shore get all the attention. But what people don't realize is how many sea serpent sightings there have been on the Cell Shore and on the cape. What type of sea serpents are in that area that you're aware of, because I've heard of stuff like obviously like champ and Lake Champlain and other things like that. Is it something similar to that? So these are all in the ocean, and they seemed to stop suddenly around the mid forties. I have no idea why. Most of the witnesses were fishermen and people that knew the sea and knew the creatures of the sea, and their accounts seemed pretty legitimate. And there was just my archives for just the sightings from how the provincetown. It's about three inches steck of all the articles that I've printed out, so they were reported on quite frequently. Why they stopped in the forties, I'm not really sure. But there was one in and it was the last incident that I know of involving a possible sea serpent, and that was in the late nineteen seventies and the next town over from where I had my sighting in Situate, Massachusetts, and people nicknamed that the man Manhill Beach Monster. I think that was the name of the beach. But something washed up on shore. My father's one of my father's best friends. He had taken his sons down there that day and they were one of the first people to see it, and he swore that it had flippers, and many people that saw it swore it had flippers. But by the time the scientists from Woodshole were able to come down and study it, and they had scientists from the aquarium, the creature was ripped to shreds because people were coming down and droves with little Dixie cups and knives and taking pieces home as souvenirs. The final distermination was that it was a basking shark, But people that witnessed it that I've talked to swore that it had flippers and there was no way it was a shark. They seem to use sharks as a explanation for a lot of stuff. It was back in the nineteen seventies. I think it was when this Japanese fishing vessel brought something up to look like a decayne plesiosaur and they said it was a shark. I'm pretty sure they said it was like a basking shark. So it seems to be maybe that's to go to Yeah, I. Said, it seems to be like the go to thing for him is to use basking sharks as their explanation for a lot of the unexplained. But as far as like modern day recent sightings, I haven't heard of any, not saying that other people have accounts that I haven't heard of any. It's just one of those things like when it comes to the ocean, for me, you never know what's really in there because just think how vast it actually is, So there could be all sorts of things that were unaware of that randomly will show up here and there, because I think we've explored like seven or eight percent of the actual ocean, So who knows all that. I know what I saw, and it looked like a baby lockness monster just basking in the in the dawn of the of the sunrise. How big would you say it would have been. From what we were sitting, like, the neck looked like it was about six feet out of the water, and all I could see was the neck in the top of it. Was it moving in and out of the water or was it just kind of having its head above the water, just. Kind of like I said, basking in the sun with his neck up. I know a lot of people nowadays claim that people see sticks or something floating in the water. I was like, there's a difference in a stick to something that could be a creature. Yeah, and especially in the ocean, a stick would be unlikely. Right, do you think I know? One of the other explanations that tends to get thrown around here by experts quote unquote, are people see like whale fins? I was like, how you gonna mistake of whales fin as a neck of something? But that is just. One time I saw a sunfish. I was at the beach and for some reason I grabbed binoculars that day and thought I'm going to need these today, and they did come in handy because I get to the beach, I see this thing floating in the water, and I see other people looking at it too, but nobody's doing anything about So I grabbed the binoculars and other people wanted to look through it too, and they're saying, I've been watching this thing all day, it's just getting closer and closer, and it was huge. I thought it was a dead shark or a dead whale, and I went to the lifeguard and asked him, and he said it was sea foam. And I didn't believe him, so I called the harbor master ended up being a two thousand pounds sunfish, So, I I mean, I could see how someone could mistake a sunfish for something, right. I didn't realize they got that big. I know, I didn't either until that day. That was pretty funny. The harbor master came down and the lifeguards were like sixteen years old, and he's all cocky and he's like it's seafoam. I'm like, oh yeah. So the harbour master comes out and he has the lifeguard go out in a kayak to check it out, and he gets within twenty feet of it and he gets too scared and he like paddles back to shore as fast as as possible. The master had to go out with the boat and push it out to see. So you're up in the northern eastern part of the country and up there we've kind of talked off air about this a little bit, but you have been researching some of the stuff around the area, and it's mainly known for the Bridgewater Triangle. Absolutely, yep. If you would like to talk about some of the things that have happened there that you've experienced and some of the other stuff with that, I mean, I'm cool with that too. Well, I've had a ton of experiences, so I would have to we'd have to limit it down to crypted encounters, ghosts, sightings, I guess the strange synchronicities. But here in the Bridgewater Triangle we have like just about everything anything you could think of. We have sasquatch activity to this day, modern activity. As a matter of fact, things have revved up here and there are a lot of active spots and people are having a lot of experiences, not so much class A sightings. I don't think we've had a Class A sighting in about ten years here, but a lot of Class b's and c's. We have puckuadgies, we have thunderbirds, we have mothman, so the thunderbird everything gets lumped under the category of thunderbird. But we seem to have three different things going on here. One is a pterodactyl type creature, and that's what most people seem to see. In my experience involved a creature like that, like a terodactyl looking one, but other people describe like a giant condor. And yet other people describe what sounds exactly like the mothman, but every like they're all grouped under thunderbirds. But it seems like the three different things going on here to me, as you know, it's sounds. Like they're grouping a bunch of stuff together just because they can't explain it. Yes, because there's been at least two witnesses that have seen what they called a thunderbird, but they said it looked like a man and it flew straight up, and it sounds like classic moth Man. We also have hell hound tales here. We have a cryptid that hasn't really been named, and it's it's like a serpent snake cryptid. I haven't heard any other researches talking about it, but I've had multiple reports of this thing that people say is absolutely enormous. Everybody's perception of it is different, but it has one similarity, and that is the way it moves. So one person said it looked like a giant tentacle of a squid taking up the entire road. Another person said it looked like a giant person taking up half the road. Another person said it looked like the smoke monster from Lost, and another person said it looked like a Chinese dragon in a parade, And yet another witness said it looked like this big, like twenty five foot law snake, but all caught up in equilateral segments, but moving in unison. And it always moves like a Chinese dragon. That's the only similarity is the way that it moves. They say it's like it slithers and goes up and down like an inchworm. Have you ever heard of anything like that before? Not particularly that, but I do know that everything that you've mentioned so far is very similar to the stuff that goes on around here. And I think it was back in the nineteen forties there was on the outskirts of one of the Salomony reservoirs, which was the Salomony River at the time. This there was a report of a giant snake and they actually settled across the whole road and then it ended up going down into this waterway and they never seen it again, but they claim it was at least twenty to thirty feet long. For a snake around in Indiana. That's huge. Now, that's funny because we have this is separate than what I'm talking about, because I think this was a very natural snake. But one of the famous stories, in one of the original stories that Lauren Coleman told about the Bridgewater Triangle was about CCC workers Civil Conservation Core workers working in the Hawkmock Swamp in nineteen thirty nine and they saw a snake as thick as a stovepipe. We actually do have huge snakes. Like I saw when I was a kid, I saw a snake that was at least fifteen feet long that had come out of a river. So that could have just been like a natural snake, because that's the only report of a large snake. And like I said, like I've seen them. They're at black Atlantic water snakes. I think they get really really big, but not in Indiana. Huh. Last year, I was on my way home and across the road and our roads here probably each lane is about roughly twelve feet wide. So there was a black snake and I think it may have been like a rat snake is what they call him around here. But it was at least eight feet long because it was it was almost the width of half the lane. It was across the center, but it took up like over half of each lane. So if you do the math, it's about eight to ten feet long roughly, which is pretty big for a snake around here. Yeah, I wonder if there's any water. Around well, if you go the direction that was going, because I actually stopped and got out and helped across the road because that's the type of person I am. Everyone else around here was like, Oh, it's a snake, you got to kill it. I was like, no, I just took a stick and shoved him off across the road. But I was like, if he's that big, he deserved to keep living. And just the direction it was going. There's actually the river, the Walbash River is not too far down the on the other side of the woods, So I think the direction he was heading was towards the water. Yeah, so can you imagine what's in the ponds and lakes when you go swimming in the ponds in the lakes. That's one of the other myths that we have in Indiana is the giant turtle of Churubusco. I forget what they actually call it, but it was a story of about it. I think it was a fifteen foot snapping turtle. Fifteen to twenty feet snapping turtle. It was up in one of the lakes just north of where I'm at, by like an hour or so, and this was back in one of the ponds that they had there, and apparently they drained the pond and I don't know whatever happened with supposedly this big turtle, but they have like a little festival for it every once in a while, like once a year they have this the Beast of Churubusco Festival. Oh wow, So we have a tour like that story too. That's a legend about the Hawkmark Swamp as well. And it's blowing my mind how many similarities with your area in my area. It's crazy. Yeah, there's like I bet it's just a complete parallel of mythologies and like the same kinds of sightings. It sounds like it. So there's always been this legend about this huge turtle in the swamp that was the size of a Volkswagen buggy. I always assumed it was bullshit until I found out it was one of my friends that saw it, who's like this former military guy and he's like very scientific and he's into debunking everything, and I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. That came from you. So I believe that big turtle story. So so far, we both have big turtles. We have a story of a big snake in the same era, right, the nineteen thirties. Mm hmmm, I guess I think this one here was the nineteen forties, but yeah, it's still pretty. Close close enough. You have sasquatch, right, we do have a lot of reports of that. We have a lot of reports of quote unquote where wolves are dog men and and puckwodgies. You have those too, right, Yep, we. Have a lot of little people's stories. We have a lot of puck wedgies because there's a Mound State Park where all the Indian burial mounds are and a lot of people have reported seeing puck wedgies there. And we also have a lot of UFO sightings and a lot of weird paranormal stuff. Okay, so it sounds well, I wonder if I don't know, we like parallel our estates parallel with each other or something. Could we be on some kind of layline. I think a lot of it on honestly is. And a lot of this stuff has this like when people start digging into certain areas, they all have similyrics like sightings and encounters in these same locations. And I don't know if it's anything to do with the lay lines, or if it's anything like some people say they're like vortexes. Maybe a lot of the areas just have these high energy fields and a lot of the high strangers are in these areas, and they have a lot of the same similarities of people. We have a lot of granite in your area. I believe we do. I know there's limestone because I'm pretty sure where one of the sacred areas that just not too far from my house. They call it seven Pillars, and it's these formations along the river, and it was one of the sacred sites of the original native tribe that was here. I think it's made of limestone, but. Maybe it's the sacred land, because almost the entire Bridgewater Triangle is sacred, this sacred land everywhere, just the all the burial grounds around here. Our civilization, well civilizations lived here ten thousand years ago. We don't even know where the bodies were buried from King Philip's War, never mind all the people that died in the last ten thousand years. The whole entire area could be a burial ground. That's a lot of people. So before the Pilgrims got here from Boston to the Cape, there was like ten thousand a population of like ten thousand people. And from sixteen seventeen to sixteen twenty there was a plague that wiped out ninety percent of the native population here. So when the pilgrims came here, lucky them, they had all the villages cleared out. All they to do was clear out the bones, and they had fresh water and corn growing, very convenient. We had very strong Native American population here too. They originated it from east, but they were forced this direction, as seemed to happen to a lot of the tribes. But in eighteen twelve, there was a battle with the United States Army and most of the villages around here were all set on fire and they were all forced on the Trail of Tears and sent to Oklahoma. So a lot of this area itself is old battlegrounds from the war with the Native Americans. Okay, so there's another similarity. I just find it fascinating. It's like it just sounds like the same place. Say here is very much just cornfields. And we do have an Air Force base which was built back in the nineteen forties, right around the time of World War two, and they used it to train fighter pilots for the war. They actually had other countries come here to train some of their pilots too, And then there's been a lot of speculation as to that base being chosen because of some of the other reasons around here, because there's this area itself just there's a lot of weird stuff, like the Circus Hall of Fame is actually here, and why have all this little town there is a circus Hall of Fame here? Well, they also put the Hall of Fame right where there was a joint from where the couple of rivers meet. It used to be the main hub for one of the Native American villages that was here. But after all that and it got burnt down. Now the Circus Hall of fame's there and they do a lot of what is. It like a PT Barnum museum sort of. They have a lot of relics from P. T. Barnum, but they also have barn and Bailey Circus and some other the other stuff involved with it too. Crew used to be the winter hub of all the circuses in the late eighteen hundreds and early. Nineteen That's another connection to the Bridgewater Triangle. So if you go to the one of the towns and the Bridgewater Triangle Middleborough, go to the Historical Society. One of the first things you see is P. T. Barnum's chair, and they have this whole exhibit about Tom Thumb and his wife Lavinia Warren, who were like the most famous I know is politically in corct but they call them freaks at the time, and they lived in Middleborough. And also the human skeleton Isaac Sprague was from the Bridgewater Triangle, so P. T. Barnum would he had to have come here at least a few times because he recruited people from here, all the freaks from the Bridgewater Triangle, sorry, all the little people and skinny people. So if I'm not mistaken, there was a story and I'm trying to actually look it up right now. They were trying to use P. T. Barnum's people to catch one of the uh monsters in one of the lakes around here, and I don't know what the story was, and I'm trying to see if I can figure it out. But basically, when you mentioned P. T. Barnum, I saw the name recently because I've been doing a lot of research for this area because I'm trying to write a book about all the high strangers around here and all the weird encounters and stuff, and all the people that I've interviewed from my local area. And one of the stories I came across was one of the old like crews or whatever they thought some of the animals maybe escape because the guy that did a lot of the circus stuff around here, his name was Benjamin Wallace, and he was a Civil War veteran, and he bought a bunch of traveling circus stuff, and he went around and he started buying other circus stuff, other circus stuff by other circuses out and then by the early nineteen hundreds, he had so much circus stuff that this like area became a hub for people in the circus to live here during the winter. So they stored all their equipment, they stored all of the animals and all the workers and stuff. They all kind of hung around here. But I saw P. T. Barnum's name brought up because they were searching for one of the lake monsters I think up north, and I forget which one it was, but it's kind of weird that again another connection. Yeah, I wanted to know what they were using the little person for in the lake, though really bad. There was a lake just north of where I live, and they call it Manita. And if you look up the word Manita, it's one of the Native American words. And I can't pronounce the name of the original tribes. It's like starts with an a. But they're from like northern Michigan area, but a lot of the descendants from around here spoke some of that language. And manitaa from what I've translated, kind of means spirit. And are you spelling a nio Yes, Okay, So that means god like creator, right. So it's like a spirit, the holy and the spirit that like the almighty spirit Creator. Yeah. And this is a lake that they named because they actually built it for the tribe. It's actually a man made lake and they named it Lake Manita. But then the native tribe eventually didn't want to use it because they claim there's a lake monster in it. Now. I don't know of anyone that's ever seen it or anything about it, but that was just one of the stories I turned over. After the army built them this lake, the Miami Indian tribes didn't want anything to do with it because they said there's a lake monster in it. Do you think that it's possible that they want anything to do with it because man had manipulated sacred. Land, I think because it was man made and the nickname that they called it was the Devil's. Lake, Okay, so it was a sacred area. If anything that's called devil is a dead giveaway that that's a sacred area. That's what the colonists deemed all of these sacred spots because they thought they were worshiping the devil. So anything with that name or hob a mock or anything called devil is usually like a sacred Native American spot. So my guess about that spot is they took it as an abomination that man manipulated their land because you know, they believed, you know, never manipulate the land. If you alter something in one part of the earth, then be repercussions in another, and they would leave everything the way it was, and that's why they lived in wigwams that were completely biodegradable and didn't affect anything and just went right back into the earth. So to make a man made pond they probably saw as like sacrilegious. You mentioned the different sightings, and some of the stuff that you'd mentioned is very similar here too, because we've heard stories of they called them hell hounds, large black cane eyes used to chase you as you drove by certain areas out by the rivers, and I've actually been chased by it, but I actually followed the dog, and this would ended up just being a dog at someone's house. But other people reported seeing some big, large black dogs with red glowing eyes. It's chased them. I never personally saw that one, but the dog that I did see was a large black dog but looked like a great day. But he lived at one of the houses, at least that's what we assumed, because that's where he was always at, was like right by their her barn fence. But have you heard of the Bridgewater Triangle full home story, the Black Dog of Abington. I'm not familiar with the whole story. I've heard of the name, but no one's ever really talked about it. All Right, So, in nineteen seventy six, a little girl went out to feed her ponies. They were Shetland ponies, so they weren't like full sized ponies. Shetland ponies like miniature ponies and to her horror. There was a huge dog that was the size of the Shetland ponies eating the throats of the ponies and it was covered in blood. And she ran in the house got her father. Her father came out with a shotgun, who was a firefighter. Fighter firefighter, and I shot at the dog, and the dog was not miffed at all and just sauntered off into the woods. The dog had chased the ponies so that they were like they were in their halters and they were like tied together and they couldn't get away, and that's how we got at them so fast. So the dog was on the loose for two or three days, and there were thousands of phone calls that came into the Abington police station. Children were escorted to the bus stops by police with rifles. It was like horror had come to the town. I lived two towns over and I was six years old, and I was terrified. I climbed in a tree all day. So the first first fireman shot at it, he missed. They tracked it to railroad tracks where it would seem like there'd be no way to miss the dog, and the police came and they shot, and they just said they missed and the dog disappeared, and that really just doesn't make any sense. If you saw the place where he was last seen, there's no way to miss. So I don't know. I'm not saying the dog disappeared, but I think that the cop is not didn't tell the public exactly what he experienced. Right, A lot of police officers won't say a lot of the weird stuff because then they might not be police officers much longer than that. Yeah, exactly. So that's the classic story, and if you went on Google, that's what you would hear about hell hounds and the Bridgewater Triangle. But there's actually been modern sightings. Coincidentally, the most modern sighting was in the same town, Abington, and one of my friends was one of the witnesses. It was a giant black dog and it was chasing a pack of deer and they said there was just something really unworldly about it. It didn't look like a wolf, but because it was, it was jet black and the eyes look weird. So that is something that does happen here. It's not one of the most common things though that people encounter. Hauntings are definitely the most common experience that people have here. I don't know about down your way. There is a lot of weird paranormal stuff and a lot of people go out doing investigations, respect especially around the old Battleground area, just because it's not like Gettysburg where there's that much death, but because it is old Native lands and there was a lot of army stuff. They actually have a specific area where they've got grades and stuff for all the fallen army men. And you see some places where this was, where one of the chieftains was, this and that. But like a lot of people go out there because they think that you're going to conjure up something from the area. But oddly enough, people have had bigfoot sightings out there. I've interviewed a couple people that have had bigfoot sightings where they do the battle reenactment. So it's kind of strange that, again there's weird things going on, like a lot of paranormal stuff, but then people see bigfoot, Like is there a correlation to that? I don't know, because it's not necessarily When I think of bigfoot, you think of like desolation like for or no one around this and that. But we're not too far from towns. But either. That's why people find it so hard to believe that we could have so much bigfoot activity here. But there's been at least eight Class A sightings and some of them have been documented in Boston newspapers. And there's just this hot spots that you can go in and it's like pickup sticks. The structures are insane, and you go there the following week and some have been deconstructed and some have been added on, and they are not far from the trails, and these places are not far from major roads, and it doesn't make any sense. You also mentioned, like the recent mothman stuff that we've had here is very reminiscent to what you describe. People had said there is here they saw someone they thought was walking down the middle of the road and then they opened up their coat and it wasn't a coat, it was a set of wings and it just like went straight up in the air. Like they didn't use the wings to fly, they just like levitated off the ground and went yeah. Now, yes, it's crazy, how many similarities, because that sounds like the most famous thunderboard sighting and the Bridgewater Try and Go legend book proverbial legend book, and that was a siting in nineteen seventy one by a police officer and just as you described, he was driving down the street and the thing was walking in the middle of the street like a human, and then all of a sudden he saw the wings and he said, the thing just went straight up, like just completely ascended straight up. And I looked it up, and there's only like two kinds of birds that can do that, a hummingbird and something else. But they're tiny, Like it's physically impossible for a bird to propel straight up like that. Yeah, I don't know of any type of bird that would be able to just fly without flapping wings. I don't know of any person they can just levitate in the air and fly either. The it's the strange thing about it. Yeah, Wow, we have the same stuff going on. Yes, it's super interesting to me. So we also have a high concentration of people that have reported seeing dog Man. And that's honestly why I do the show. Because I saw something which people would call a dog man back in two thousand and seven, and that's why I do my show. That's why I'm investigating a lot of the stuff and researching into it because I want to know what the hell I saw. And the more I've been digging, the more people have come out and reported seen similar things. And I never talked about it for so many years because people are I think you're crazy if you say you've seen a werewolf, because those things aren't. Real, And will you tell me what you saw? It was a large black bipedal canine. It was about I'm six foot three and we were eye to eye, so it had to have been at least over six feet tall. But it walked off fun like its hind legs, but it was in a weird, crouchy position. It wasn't like straight up walking like a human. But when it stood up, it stood up directly like a person. Oh wow, all right, so that's one. That's the first difference. We don't have those as far as I know. But around here that area where I said the Hall of Fame is for the circus, it's also a hot spot for people seeing the same thing. I've got people sending me photos of tracks that are from down there. I've had multiple people talk about seeing something down there that they called a werewolf. I've had someone just this past summer so that they were not too far from the area and something like a werewolf ran out in front of them. It jumped over a guardrail and kept running on two legs. So there seems to be a lot of weird wolf activity. But then I've also discovered that some of the stuff that goes on around here there were supposedly legends, and I've act actually asked some of the local people that are still attached to the tribes like ancestry or whatever, but I haven't been able to find anything completely alleging to this. But one of them said that maybe some of these things were spirits that they brought up as protection, because wolves were something that they looked for as like a protective spirit type thing. And they said maybe they conjured something to protect the lands because the lands were sacred to them. So the things that were still seeing are still in these same areas because they're still trying to protect the lands. That makes sense to me, and that's what I'm starting to think about about sasquatches and paquajis they seem to appear in sacred land places, and what if they are protecting the land. I know from around here, the people that talk about like the little people and everything, and they were referred to as like tricksters, and they weren't necessarily good or bad, but they were They could lure you out somewhere and do harm, like you could fall somewhere, you could drown or something. They were not to be toyed with. I guess I don't know. Like that to me almost sounds like fairy stuff, like when you get back into the faithfolk type stories like you hear like the stories of little people like the fairies and everything else. They're like mischievous, they're pranksters and tricksters. I've heard a lot of stories about that around here too. Yeah, so we have the same stories about the puck Wedgies, but I'm utterly baffled by the whole mythology of them, to be honest, Like, I don't understand how they went from being little benevolent little Indians squished down little Indians into these creatures that look different to everyone but have some similarities. See, And that's that's what I've noticed too. There are stories of little people that look like little humans, that look like little Native American people. But then I also hear stories of what the puck Wedgies are, and they look like little goblin type things. So I don't necessarily think that the little people and the puck wedgies are the same. To be honest, I mean the descriptions other than them being short, I don't I don't see where one thing looks like a person and the other thing looks more like a little elemental goblin type creature. Yeah, to the to the wamp and ogs, the modern wompnogs, puck wedgies are nothing to be trifled with. You're not supposed to say the word like. They take it really seriously. But I don't think that they think of them as little little people there. They look at them as like little demons. The other thing that I've came across is and I haven't actually spoken to the person. I'd just come across the story, so it could be complete bs. I don't know, but it was someone was returning home one night, and this was about ten years ago, and they were driving through the area and they said they saw what looked like a pale naked man running on all fours along the side of the road along the guard rail, and once they got to the other edge, it took off, running into the woods. But it wasn't completely human but it was a naked, pale person looking thing. They said, I thought it was a naked airless mankind over demon. Yeah, and that's it goes back to like what people their creepypasta calls them rakes, and there's stories of pale crawlers where people see this thing on all fours And I was like, I wonder if that's not maybe someone's just making it up, because everyone all of a sudden was talking about seeing these things, or maybe they really did see something. But that's the only one that I've seen that said that they've seen that in this area. Now there are stories in other parts of the country of these things, but that's the only one I've seen from my area. Yeah. Well, I've never heard of anybody in all my years of research in this area tell me a shadow person story. But it came from a very unlikely source about two weeks ago. It was a friend of mine from my town. She grew up in my town, and she said she was food shopping she felt compelled to go to the woods where she grew up and take a walk, and when she went out there, she saw this thing that was about eight feet tall. It was human shape, jet black and it was darting in and out of trees, like like almost play and hide and seek, and like looking at her. And then in a split second, it was not behind a tree anymore. It was on the top of the hill, just looking and she said the smell was disgusting. She said it made her so sick she didn't make it out to the car even she started vomiting. And I said, I don't know a lot about it, but it sounds like you saw a shadow person. And she said, no, no, no, no, it wasn't a shadow. It was jet black. And she's like, you're the only person i'd tell because I know you won't think I'm crazy. And I'm like, no, I think you saw a shadow person. And then I like looked it up if they have a smell, and sure enough they A lot of people report this smell of like rotting flesh, And that's exactly what she said. So even isolated reports, like even though shadow people, this isn't like a thing that you hear about. Anything can come up through my land and your land, and it does, even if it's just one isolated incident. I'm sure there's dozens of people that have seen something similar. But just never reported it. I have heard from people that have reported seeing shadow figures, like mainly they talk about they see shadows moving in the woods that I don't know if that could be, but there's been a lot of people that talked about shadows in their houses and they've called them shadow men, and most people think that they have some sort of demonic presence to them. Because you mentioned rotting meat. That's one of the things that I've heard from people too when we talk about demonic forces, is like, you can tell because it has like a weird sulfury rotting meat smell. Yeah, I don't know. It was really surprisingly calm afterwards. If I saw that, I wouldn't I'd probably not be so calm. I'll just say that I don't know how she took it so well. She kind of just and she said somebody was mowing the lawn at the base of the trail, and she was looking at them like they had two heads, Like why are you not noticing this? I'm like, maybe he wasn't seeing anything. Maybe it was just for you, Maybe it was tuned into your frequency. Only do you have much UFO experiences out that way too? Tons yep, tons and tons and tons started the early nineteen seventies for the southern portion of Massachusetts, and for the Bridgewater Triangle connections. It started in nineteen seventy nine and continues to this day. I've seen I can't even tell you how many I've seen. I used to document them with the camp quarter, but I stopped because they all look the same. After doing it, like a hundred times, I'm like, why bother? They all look exactly the same, right. Sometimes I struggle when people are saying that there's UFOs here, as I it's hard to tell if it's a UFO or if it's just a known craft, because when you're trying to record something in the sky at dark and it's just a light, you can't really tell what it actually is because everything looks the same. It gets blurry anyways, and if you zoom in on it, it really blurs out. But yeah, So I had any camp quarter, and I lived on the third floor, and I saw so many UFOs in twenty twelve when I lived in Abington, and I would see them almost every night, and I'd just keep my camp quarter next to my balcony and I was able to like really zoom in on them and I could like see the insides of them. They definitely weren't any kind of there was no being in it. It was some kind of energy. I don't know how to describe it. I'll send you the video after was it almost looks like plasma. When you zoom in on these fire fireball UFOs, it looks like plasma spinning inside. What they what are they? I don't know. It's not a plane, it's not a helicopter. It's nothing that we've been told about. It could be some military thing, or it could be extraterrestrial. I don't know, but it's something. Weirdly enough, I heard someone on a different show recently talking about plasma and how these things that people are seeing are actually plasma balls. So I don't know, Like. When you zoom in on them, if you're able to, and you know, most times, you know, most video captures now are on iPhones. But back in twenty twelve, like I said, I used to use this camp really really nice HD camquarder and I would be able to zoom right in on them. Then following year, within that next year, there were quite a few of masses in Abington and people did catch them on camera. The most I saw was two at a time. I can't remember if it was twenty twelve or twenty and thirteen, but I had two witnesses contact contact me the day after they witnessed a fleet of UFOs zipping over the tree line. And the witnesses lived a half a mile apart, and that was really interesting. And then about six months later a video appeared on YouTube. I don't know who this witness is. I don't know them. I never reached out to them, but they filmed what looked just like what those other two witnesses saw, a fleet of them. And this is like right around the corner from where I used to live. So it was some weird UFO super highway. I don't know how to describe it. But I would see them constantly, and at first it was very exciting, but it grows boring after a while. You've seen one, you've seen them all. Do you think that? Well, I guess I should ask it this way. Do you know of anyone that's actually seen these orange orbs but not in the sky, more like towards the ground. Orange orbs? Yes, like orange lights. So we call those spook lights here, and I've never seen one, but We have had tons of reports, but they are usually not on the ground. They usually they usually are at tree level. That's what I've been finding out around here too. A lot of people see them in the sky, but here recently, we've all thought they were drones. And I've seen them myself and we thought they were flares. But I've been digging into some of this research and people have seen them in the woods along the tree lines. Yes, and they thought. One of the person's stories that they thought it was someone walking with a like a light, yeah, lantern, and there was no one there. So I've wondered if, again, this isn't like you just mentioned ghost lights. A lot of people have seen that around here. Is like, maybe it's the orange orbs that people see in the sky. Maybe these are part of that too. I don't know if they're one and the same, but it's weird that they're the same color and the same. They look similar, huh. But that's the that's I've experienced a lot here. That's something that I've never seen myself, but it's very not uncommon. I'll say that. We've seen some in our backyard and last year I got super excited because I saw green ones, and I've never seen the green ones. So I got my camera or my phone. I mean, I ran out the door and come to find out my neighbor had put glowsticks on her dogs. Oh no, So I seen these green glowing orbs going up and down, and I thought that they were running along my backyard and the fence line. I was like, finally going to get some evidence of something. To come to find out it was just two dogs. Because the time that there was orange ones out back. I yelled for my wife and my son. He'd come looked at him. Never wanted a thing about recording it until it disappeared, and then I was like natural. I was like, why did I not record? We watched it for several minutes, and I don't know why I never thought about recording. It got to be in the moment. Yeah. We again thought it was just a flare, but the way it moved and everything else, I don't I can't say it was a flare because I don't know if flares that kind of move upwards, usually flares would come down. This thing was stationary that it moved up and then over and then just disappeared. They're kind of strange but. Yeah, they do. For at least for here, they seem to have a connection to like really heavy Native American areas. Now about it, because I'm thinking, I don't know if any stories in Abington, and there's no evidence of any occupation Native occupation in Abington, but people have seen them in Freetown. That checks that box of ancient civilizations for a whole both check Bridgewater, check Easton check interesting. I think if anyone started to do a lot of research into their local areas, they would probably start to turn up a lot of similarities. And especially from the old days. I was able to uncover a story and again it's who knows, but it was originally a UFO by all intense purposes sighting from the eighteen hundreds, and it was like the eighteen nineties that they were out farming and they saw something land. I think it's I'd have to go and find the story about it saved somewhere. But if I remember right, it they saw something land out in the field. The father and the sons, like the daughter had went out there to them and they had saw it, and she was afraid. She ran back. That the kids got afraid of it because they didn't know what it was because back then there was no flying machines, and they saw people getting in and out of this thing, and then they got back in and it left. If this is a true story and this is from this area, what would have been flying in the eighteen nineties that they could land it and then got back people got out of it and then got back in it and then flew off. Well, if it really happened, it would absolutely be documented in newspaper archives right way that when they used to cover everything, they used to cover hauntings. It's weird coincidences, like if someone found their wedding ring twenty five years after they lost it on the anniversary, that'd send a Boston glob reporter out to the town to interview the parson. So if that happened, that would be in the newspaper. That's kind of what I was thinking. But the story that I found was someone that said that they there was an old VHS tape that they watched, and the person telling it was one of the descendants, like the niece or something of the daughter that was afraid. So I don't know, Like I said, it's it seems a little too fishy, but I can't prove it or disprove it, so I don't know. But it's story regardless. Yeah, it's interesting one wear or the other. But that's a lot of the things that go on though. It's like you can't really verify a lot of the stuff that people tell you. You can't verify a lot of the stuff that you find online, but it all makes an interesting story that especially when you actually do talk to people that have similar experiences they talk about it. I was like, well, maybe there is some truth to all this stuff. Yeah, you should dig into your local newspaper archives. Just get a month subscription. You'll you'll have a blast. Sadly, our local newspaper closed down. What our local newspaper closed down a year ago, So I assume the library may have some stuff, but we don't have a. Newspaper, like like genealogy bank, ancestry dot com. And just get as much as you can, like if you do like a month, just grab as much as you can. Start looking up, Like I would want to know about that were wolf thing, so I would look up like what words they would use back then, like woods, creature. I guess they would say were wolf back then. Maybe just look up were Wolf. Wouldn't that be wild if you found accounts. That's something I've tried to find online and I haven't been able to find too much. I've seen stuff here and there, but anytime you actually find something, it's just from like a forum. So there's nothing like actual newspapers talking about it that I've noticed. Well, I have a subscription. After we hang up, message to me and tell me the name of the tongue. I'm digging because now I'm curious. We've been going on for about an hour, so we can actually probably get ready to wrap this one. Up all right. Before we before we do. I know you do a lot of research and anything, and you said you've had people reach out to you. Is this something that you would want someone from your area to if they've ever had an experience to like reach out to you for something. Oh? Sure, Yeah. People reach out to me all the time, and I love hearing these stories. Do you have an email or something you'd want them to reach out to. They can just reach me through Facebook. Okay, you want to let them know your name or who to search for? Yep, Kristen Evans And if you look up on Facebook, my current profile picture is me with an alien and underneath my name is Bridgewire Triangle. In thees, i'd give you my web dress spot. It's in the process of changing domain names. So if you get a website though, I say, if you get your website and information figured out before this episode comes out, I can put it in the show notes for anyone listening, and even after it's out, I can always update it. So you just all right, thanks, I appreciate that. And I also have a little merch business for Bridgewater Triangle t shirts, books, anything Triangle related and that's Bridgewater Triangle Station. You can find my business page on Facebook as well. Awesome. I will make sure to have that in the notes. You can send me a message with your links to and I'll put those in there too. Oh. I appreciate that so much. Thank you, it's been a pleasure talking with you. Yeah. Those goodbye. You have a good night, all right, good night. If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells Podcast to gmail dot com, or you can also go to Tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. 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