Ep. 239: Dogman in the Woods

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. I'd like to say this time and welcome my guest, Tonight's Shadow. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. Thank you for having me. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself before we get into it. I'm from Oklahoma. I work in law enforcement. I grew up in the woods. It's kind of what I've done my whole life. I'm actually getting ready at this weekend to go hunting in the same area where my story takes place. The woods are just very big to me. And other than that, you know, in my downtime, I'm on vacation this week, so I play a lot of video games and I just kind of just relax. You know. I've got younger kids, so I spend time with them when I can, and I just kind of try to just live the best life I can. No, I understand that. Well, we originally got connected because, as you said, you had a couple of experiences and one was with like a dog man. So if you would like to discuss that, I can turn it over to you and you can tell the story, and once you're done, I'll ask some questions if I got any for you. Okay, So there was two encounters that happened. They both happened in twenty eighteen. The first one happened in roughly August, and then the second one happened in deer season in November, right about this time. So where am I encountered takes place. If anybody's familiar with Oklahoma, I mean, you can map it and you can you can google it. I mean there's stories for days. The location that this happened, and they called the Jack Fort Mountains. If you know where the city McAllister is, you go straight east to Mcallis, or this a little town called Heartsorn, and you go straight south of it and you go back into the areas and it goes into what the jack Fort Mountains, and you can loop around. You can keep going all the way through and it'll come out in there like Sardist Lake, the Clayton area. You can go up to tallahano where like the ki Mission Mountains are. And so the area that this happened in. One of my best friends, his family owns a farm on several hundred acres, and you know, they have a cabin out there and then you know, a little miniature farm. You know, they used to have cattle. They don't now, you know, it's just kind of like an old barn. He still has the cabin and they put another cabin in since. And then you go, like from the cabin, you go straight down and it goes into like a big field we call it the field. And in the middle of the field is kind of open, and then the land kind of takes off from each side and the cabin is uphill from the field. And you know, if you're going to take big vehicles. If you're moving stuff, you got to actually go out around on the main road around to the field. But you could take like ATVs and stuff like that down the back trails or walk down. So the Jackport Mountains are like notorious for an area like you don't go into You do not go back there with any intentions other than your own. Like you it's kind of the best way to describe as almost like cabin in the woods kind of stuff. Like there's talks of a helicopter that got shot down the seventies and eighties, back when the drug rings were real big. I mean, my friend's farm, the closest neighbor on either side of him is almost five miles. I mean, it's just one of them. You're secluded and like to get to the farm once you leave. The second you go out of Heartsworm, you drive over thirty miles at no faster than thirty miles an hour, and like once you get two miles out of town, you're just done. Sell signal wise, it's nothing but just old gravel roads all the way to where you're going. And I mean, you know, like so this is now when I say this, when I tell the story. You know, people will tell me, all, well, go was it this at this well when this happened, him and I were the only two out there until we called some of our friends and his grandpa comes out there to you know feed at the time he came out to the feed cattle, but his grandpa had already been out there. This happened roughly between i'd say one in the afternoon to somewhere about four, and there was a super nice day. You know, it's real sunny, real good weather. Is what we were doing. We were sitting up deer feeders, were kind of you know, setting up deer feeders, early getting stuff, kind of set up, surveying the land, just kind of getting early started everything. So you know, people will ask me if what I saw or what could have happened would have been like his grandpa or somebody playing a trick on us. And I'm telling you right now, anybody knows Oklahoma and knows like these backwood Oklahoma areas, that's not something that happens. You know, the fact that somebody running around in a costume or something, it just it's not going to happen because you'll get shot. You know, this is one of the few states Oklahoma, Texas, one of these southern states where you just like playing practical jokes, is one of them. High for risk, you know, very low reward kind of scenarios. So we're setting up, we're setting up the deer feeders and stuff, and we're on the field and we took the long way around because we had his truck at the time. He had like a mid nineties model in an old Ford and we're setting up the deer feeders and stuff. And for people that don't know or do know anything about guns, I had two very large rifles in the truck. I had a forty five seventy, which shoots a very large shell, and I had an AR ten that shoots a three eight shell, which is, you know, significantly bigger than the normal AR fifteen. You know, the shoots the two five or two, you know. And so as we're setting the feeder up, we're big. We're big coyote hunters. You know, there's a big there's a lot of problems in Oklahoma for coyotes and wild pigs and stuff. So they're kind of just free game and we like to hunt coyotes. And you know, I do apologize for any few years that are sensitive when it comes to you know, the death of animals and stuff. I apologize, but that's just kind of what we do here. So I am apologizing in advance. And my buddy looks at me and says, hey, you want to take that. You want to go down the trick bed and follow the trail around and see if we can't find a rabbit or a squirrel or something and we can kill it and use it for bait. I'm like, yeah, you know, that's a good idea. And so when you go to like the north side of the field, you go in and you go down like Everyravien's actually a big, just picture big dried up creek slash river, and it wraps and turns and wines and wines and wines for several hundreds and hundreds of yards and it'll come right back to the other side of the field, like almost right back by the truck. And you know, it's a really good walk. You know, you go out there just enjoy nature and obviously for you know, killing a rabbit or a squirrel or something. I wasn't gonna grab one of those two big guns because you know, you shoot a rabbit or a squirrel one of them. They ain't gonna be nothing left to use for bait. And so I didn't even grab a gun out of the truck. And my buddy he had a little twenty gage shotgun with bird shot in it, so you know, it's not a very powerful shell. And we we go. When we get in the ravine and like say, it's gorgeous day. It's real gorgeous. It's eighties to nineties, and I remember looking up blue skies clear, hardly any cloud the sky, just a super nice day. And so I do want to let you know though, as we're in this like ravine, we're standing in the middle of it because like it has a dried up creek, and the woods are on both sides of us, and they're thick. I mean they're thick, thick, thick, thick, thick woods. So if the trees would have been higher and like over, it would have been pitch black in there. That's how thick the woods were. If the trees would have been over us, you wouldn't even seen sunlight. And we take off and we're walking and it's it's going good. You know, there's a lot of you know, you can hear animals everywhere kind of you know, we're looking trying to find something, we don't really see nothing. But the woods are alive, the woods are active. Everything's going very well. And uh, I guess my first sign that I should have known something was weird or something was off was how quiet the woods got. That should have been like my first my like knowing, because you know, growing up in the woods, you know there I've been in several situations but you know nothing, you know, like what was about to happen. But you know there's always times when you know if there was like a predator around, right, and that was and that was kind of the start of it. You know, it's how silent the woods got. And anybody that hunts or anything like that or just does nature hikes and stuff like that, everybody kind of knows that as you're walking through the woods, you're trying to be as careful as possible. It's quiet as possible, so you don't alert what's around you. And everybody knows that a predator is going to do the same. A predator is going to walk as careful as it can, so don't alert it's prey and pray will do the same. Deer, rabbit, squirrels, all those nature little critters. They're going to do the exact same. They're gonna try to be as careful as they can, so you know, unless something is just trying to be heard, you ain't gonna really hear it. Everything tries to be as careful as can most time you get when you hunt, you set still. That's how you find stuff. I mean, squirrels and rabbits what we were looking for. It you can get, you know, lucky as you're walking through. You know, they'll bend the trees or rabbits running on the ground, stuff like that. But something got in behind me. So I'm on the left and my buddy's on the right, and something got in behind me to my left, and it was it wasn't super far back, but I would say, you know, it wasn't here's maybe here's maybe five five feet away from me to the left. It probably twenty thirty feet back. And it is just crushing through the woods. You could you could just you could hear it. It was moving heavy, it didn't have you could just tell it didn't have a care in the world. You could just you could hear it smacking tree limbs, out of the way, stomping on tree limbs. It was just cruising. I mean, that's just the best way to describe it. Was just cruised to there. It didn't give a dang what. It didn't give a dang that we were there or we heard it. And we kept walking and this thing's still behind us, and my buddy looks at me, and that's when it Obviously we were whispering, but he goes, is that on? Is that on two legs? And I'm like, well it sure, it sure as hell sounds like it's on two legs. But we didn't think nothing of it. You know, we at this point, we weren't scared. We're just young. It's whatever it is, you know, it's whatever, blah blah blah. Let's just keep going. And we keep going. And this thing, like I said, it's just trudging behind us, just not a care in the world. But whatever it is, you can just tell us loud. It's heavy and it, like I said, I just don't care. And it didn't seem like no time because we just kept walking and by that time it just took off. It just shot it, and it came from i'd say probably thirty feet back and it just shot where between I would say, between five and fifteen feet in front of us, and it stopped moving. So we stopped and that's when it stepped out and it came down from the left. It stepped down into the ravine and it walked and it squared up with him and I and it turned and it faced us, and it like cocked its head and it looked at him. It kind of stood up, rolled its shoulders and it cocked its head and it looked at me and stood back up, kind of rolled its shoulders, and he just stared, I'm talking and it's ears. The ears are like for a lot of people, there's a lot of different things don't remember about these, but the ears is what I can I'll never get over. The ears just stood straight up, like a mixture between bat ears and Doberman pincer ears, and it just the ears were just flickering, just flickering, like it's just listening for everything. And it stood there. Said, this thing is no farther than fifteen feet from me. So I got a real good look at it, and almost as if it was like trying to smile, it like buried its teeth and uh canine had big ol'd canines on it, definitely the kind of teeth you know you don't want to get into it with. And and I don't remember any sounds like a greenny grunts or growls. I just kind of remember just getting a good look at it. Like I said, besides it bearing its teeth, it didn't, you know, make no like gestures towards us. No, you know, no lunging motions. It just kind of stood there and stared and then almost as if nothing, it turns and it goes back up into the woods on the right side. And before I could say did you see that, my buddy picks up that shotgun and cocks it, and I just kind of grabbed the bear. I just kind of grabbed the barrel of the gun and I started putting it down because that gun that he has is not going to do anything to that thing that was just in front of us. I can promise you, I still in my mind at this time, don't know what this thing was as we're sitting there watching it looking at it. But I can promise you a twenty gage shotgun with bird shot it's just gonna piss it off. And so one thing that I'm very thankful for that. I'm using my job now and I use anytime. I use a lot in life is you know, my grandpa and my dad some big things that they taught me is very important is never show fear, because if you show fear, it's over whatever situation you're in, you've already lost. And I was absolutely terrified. I'm not gonna lie to anybody. If you say that you saw this and you was fifteen feet from it, and you said you weren't scared, you're lying. And I was just I was absolutely terrified, and I'll be honest with you. I'm surprised I didn't piss myself, but I knew that I couldn't act scared, and I knew that I couldn't let my buddy act scared. I knew that we just needed to get back to the truck because in my mind, I've got a couple howarzers in the truck, and if I can get a hold of one of them, I feel like I'm gonna be fine. That's what's going through my mind. I'm like, man, if I get one of them big guns, I ain't gonna be scared of anything at that point because my gun is bigger than them canines, That's what I'm thinking. And so we just start walking and this thing walks directly beside us on the right side, but just far enough in the woods where you can't really see it, you know what's there, and it just walks up besides the whole time, well, finally we get to the clearing kind of where it opens, and you could see the truck, and the truck's probably sixty seventy feet away. It's a good little it's good little distance. And my buddy is actually way more afflect than me. I'm short and junkie, but I've always been kind of quick from my size. And when you want to talk talk about it getting real, this is when it got real for me is my buddy looked at me and he said, get to the truck and get one of them guns, he said, And you kill this thing. He said, if it's killing me, you shoot me in the head, and then you kill it. And you want to talk about real. You're best friend since third grade, like best friends of this day, basically told you, like this is what you know. Make sure that you know this thing dies, and if it's hurting me, you just kill me, like don't make me suffer. And that's when, like if anything wasn't real yet, it was real. It was everything was one hundred percentg I just kind of knew and and you talk about getting even more scared, but you knew you had to make a decision, you know, you had to be strong in the moment. And I just took off. It just took off as fast as I could go. And I said he had a mid to late, you know, nineties model Ford, and so I had the old windows, old crank windows, and thankfully we had them down that day, and I just reached through and I didn't I didn't care what I grabbed because I knew whatever I grabbed was going to be good. And almost as like a gift, I felt the pistol grip to that R ten And you know, obviously I don't hunt with a big magazine in it, but you know, I have a big magazine for it. And at the time, I had a you know, I had a thirty round magazine with it. I had it in the gun and I pulled that AR ten out of the truck. As I'm coming around, I racked the action and I turned my look and I just see my buddy just standing there pointing that shotgun in the woods. Nothing and this thing didn't jump out on him or nothing. It's just my bay standing there. And so I go up there, I grab him by the shoulder, and I get him back to the truck, and obviously we go back around. We get we get in the truck and we'll go back to the cabin. And I'm probably young, and my mom like, we're just gonna get our crap. We're gonna get out of here. And he's, you know, I'm a very I'm very goofy guy. I love to joke around. I'm real silly, you know, I'm always talking. I'm I'm just me, you know. And he's pretty he's real talkative, you know, not as talkative as me, but he's real talkative. And we were both just sitting there in silence as we're on the main road we're heading back to the cabin, and he breaks the silence first and he goes, shadow, was that a werewolf? And I'm like, well, were wolves ain't real, but it's sure as hell looked like one. I said, what do you want to do? He said, well, we're going to kill it. I said, we're gonna what now, excuse just a picture a couple of guys in their early twenties, you know, with something, you know, straight out of a Hollywood movie in the middle of nowhere was sell signal. You know how crazy this could get looking back on it, And I'm like, how we're going to kill it? He goes, We'll call two of our buddies. We'll tell them we saw a bear. Then when they get out here, we'll tell them the truth. We'll tell them everything. We're gonna hunt this thing down. I'm gonna kill it, like woke, all right, And so we called two of our buddies. I don't want to get out there. We tell them straight up everything. We didn't hide a detail, and one of them just laughed. I can still picture him laughing at us to this day. He just laughed and laughed. He almost fell on the ground. I mean, he called us everything in the book. He's like, y'all are so stupid. And but my other buddy that came, he is hunted all over the world. He's hunted in several continents, he's hunted almost all fifty states. He's been all over the world hunting. And he didn't say a word. It's just like he knew. He knew we weren't lying to him. I don't know if he had seen this thing or seen something like it, And to this day, me and him still haven't had a conversation about it, which is crazy, But he just knew, so we had. We had at the time, had a canem, a little side by side four seater. We were loading it up. And it's starting to get dark. So here's where you, like I said, you know, you got four idiots with high powered rifles about to go hunt something straight out of a movie in the middle of nowhere, no cell signal, and it's getting dark. So the fact that I'm still sitting there telling you the story right now is beyond belief because everything could have went horribly wrong. And I know that, and I'm sure we all looking back, we all know that. But it's starting to get dark, and this next part, I'll never be able no matter how long I live, I'll never be able to get this image out of my head until the day I die. Down on the field, we could hear coyotes, and coyotes make distinctive sounds, and you can tell when they're hunting something or when they're mating. Or when they're playing, or just you can just tell by the sounds they make what they're doing. And this whatever this little pack of coyotes were doing was not good for them. You could hear the distress. They were fighting something, and the way it sounded, it sounded like they were losing. So, you know, we get in the canon, we got spotlights ready, there's there's still a little daylight left, not much, and we speed down there. We just speed down on the field and when we get there, it was just oh shit, I'm sorry. The only way I could describe it just pure pure slaughter. Picture of the glorious horror film that you can think of, and then just it's real. I mean it was. There was just I would say anywhere between five and ten up to maybe twelve coyotes. I couldn't tell you an exact number. And they were just slaughtered. I'm talking just pieces, just guts, blood and trails, eyes, noses, teeth, just a straight slaughter. One of them literally looked like it had jumped and something had caught it in midair and pulled it in half like an accordion and dropped it. And I just I'll never forget to I'll just never forget to send those those dead coyotes. And it was so gory. If we didn't know that they almost if you didn't know they were coyotes, it had been hard to tell because they were tore up. So we get in the cannam and we start going down. We start going down trails in the woods and it's dark now. And I'm a firm believer that any creature on this earth, including mainly us as humans, come with a sixth sense. We just know, we have the ability to almost know if something or someone is looking at us. Know, like if you wake up the middle of the night, you know, and one of your family members or girlfriend, wife, kids are looking at you, you just wake up. You just know because they're looking at you. You just feel it. You just always get that feeling. And that's kind of the feeling that I got the whole time. We were going through them trails, and you know, we're spotlight and we're looking up in the woods, we're looking up at the treetops and we're looking around and is what's crazy, though, is it felt like something was right there beside us and with us the whole time. But unlike earlier when I when we had seen it. We never heard it or I never saw it again that evening, but I just you could just you just like knew it was there, and it was just crazy. And then the crazy part is when we drove back out, all them dead, kind of for god, the only thing that was there was blood, just big spots of blood. Everything was gone. So that was just it was crazy. It was just one of the craziest things, you know, that's ever happened. And that's the that's the end of the first one. Nothing else happened. We all kind of just went back up to the cabin. We kind of talked about what happened. Then we kind of just went out and see my best friend. He still went out there daily, you know, because they had cattle time and that's kind of like his favorite spot, you know when I live, you know, I don't live super close to there, so I would only come down when I could come down. But he went back out there. He went back out there the next day and see nothing happened. He had gone. But he had gone out there and gone out there. You know, we played video games together, we talked on the phone, you know, and nothing had happened. Nothing weird it happened, it seemed like everything was just normal, almost like it was just a big min of our imaginations. Well, it's getting close to the rifle season and it's the day before the opening day, so we're gonna go out there. We're gonna hunt. Now. It's not like it's November now, weather start to get cold. It's dark, grill early, and we're in the cabin and we're playing we're playing video games in the cabin and I have to use the bathroom. There's no plumbing in the cabin. There's you know, if you got to go really bad, there's they have like an out house, and then obviously just go right around if you got to just you know. And so I go the side of the cabin and I'm taking a leak, and behind the cabin is like a fence, and round the other side of the fence, it's still daylight. There's probably about maybe an hourish, a little less than hour of daylight left. You can still see real good though. And on the other side of the cabins is fence. And on the other side of the fence they call it the hog pasture. Used to keep haus and stuff there. You know, they'd bring cattle in the feed them there, and round on the other side of the hog pastures where the woods take off, you know, the woods will take off, all woods, and you got this big slope where it goes downhill the field, so round on the other side of the hog pasture is woods. I don't know what possessed me, but I just happened to look up, and sure as hell, right there on the other side of the hog pasture, like standing behind a tree with like both its hands around the tree, like kind of leaned out looking at me, is what it looked, Just like this creature we'd seen. And if it wasn't the same one, that looked identical and like a guy. I got a good look at it. I mean, even though it was you know, it was you know, several hundred feet away, I can clearly tell what it was because I mean, you know, set inside that, you know, standing kind of behind that tree, kind of hanging out behind that tree. It was a big It was big, so I mean I could see it. And I didn't say anything. I just kind of and set my pants up and walk back in and I didn't say a word, didn't say a word. I just picked up my controller, started playing again, and there's a cab. There's a in the cabin. There's a window that faces out straight to where I was looking straight to where this creature was. Why I didn't think nothing about it. And by the time my buddy pauses the game and he goes, I'm getting a deer tomorrow, and he said, he said, I'm not gonna repeat exactly what he said, but he basically said, you know that fairy tale sucker can come set in the tree. Stand with me for alic, Stand with me because I want to get a deer tomorrow no matter what. And I just kind of laughed, and we just kind of went about our night. See, I'm a very lazy hunter. I have no all admitting my laziness. I'll sleep till daylight. I'll sleep in, I'll get up my romp around the woods and if I kill something cool, if I don't cool. And my buddy is super committed, like he's up before dawn, he's still to stad. He's ready to go. And his stand at the time kind of the paint the picture. His stand was this huge cedar tree that he had kept the limbs on the very bottom out of it put like a little piece of plywood and a chair right by the base of the tree, and he stacked them limbs back and it looked natural, so I mean almost even to the human eye, it looked like a cedar tree, so obviously had full most animals. It was one of the best lookings, one of the best looking hunting blinds I've ever seen, especially to be basically man made with just a piece of plywood and you know, a steal folding chairs. Pretty impressive. And that morning he was hunting with a thirty thirty eight. For anybody, I don't know, it's I'll ever action like a cowboy, you know, like a Western gun. You know, obviously with the limits and stuff and the laws, you're only supposed to have three shells in it. So that's all he had. And I get woken up and I hear boom, hear the rifle crack, and it wakes me up. I'm like, oh, well, good, he got one. I'm gonta spend the day out here. And by the time I hear boom, boom, just back to back, I'm like, what in God's name is he doing down there? I mean, because he's really he's really acting with the rifle. I don't imagine that he would miss. So I'm like, I don't know what he's doing down there, terrorizing the deer population, probably, And it didn't seem like no time because he's super athletic. He just comes barging in the door and he's like, oh my god, Oh my god, it's back, it's back, it's back. Get the gun, Get the gun. Come on, you got come in. And he's just belligerent and when I say get the gun. It's a weapon that we carry. It's my grandpa's and we eat when we're out in the woods. One of us carries it to this day. It's a nineteen seventy two Rimmington eight seventy twelve gage shotgun that you's to three and a half inch shell. It's a super super powerful gun. And you should see me because I've got t Rex arms, so you should see me carry this mammoth of a gun through the woods. It's hilarious. And I load it slug buckshot, slug buckshot. And the reason why I do that is because I shoot a slug first, because a slug hits hard, and if something's coming right at me, the slug's gonna hit it hard. Punch it and make it think about what it's doing. And then when I cock the shell on, I chamber another round and I shoot buckshot. Buckshot's gonna start eating flesh. It's gonna start shooting meat away. So when you you know, that's kind of how you think of it, you shoot the slug, so you punch, tear, punch, tear, punch, tear. And it had a big long, eight round tube on it, so you know, that's forced lugs for buckshots. And in my mind, anything of man, mith or beast and that runs into the end of this thing is not in for a good day. And I'm sitting there, I'm still half asleep. I've got sleeping pants on, and I'm fumbling and I'm dropping shells, trying to get shells into this gun. And he's telling me what happens. So basically, he's sitting in the stand. He's sitting in the stand, he's watching out and this thing crawls around the side of the tree and it crawls up in the deal with him. Now, mind you, like I said, I said tree stand earlier said I said it wrong. I say blind. He's setting one hundred percent on the ground. He's just inside a tree bes on the ground, and this thing crawls right up to him, and it crawls right between his legs and it puts its head in his lap and looks up at him. And he was so scared he fired his gun in the air. And about that time he says, I think I shot it. I said what? And I woke up quick, and I started getting shells into that gun. There was no more half asleep dropping shells. I was getting shells into that gun because that's when I started thinking injured, angry, pissed off predator and seeing what this thing is and the fact that it might be he might have shot it, and he don't know if it's dead, and it's probably not gonna you know, prospects are not in our favor at that moment. So basically is what happens. We get down the stand, is what happens is he shoots once in the air, and then this thing goes out. It runs out of the tree and it takes off to the left. And where it takes off running, there's almost two trees, i'd say about feet apart. In those two trees basically start a trail, and as this thing's running away, he fires once at it, fires twice at it, and it just disappears under the trail. Well, I start thinking, okay, well he fired once in the air, so that's one shell. And I get to looking at those two trees where this thing ran between, and sure as hell, on that left tree, I see a bullet hole and looks right about the size of a thirty thirty. I'm like, okay, well he shoots once in the air, he shoots the tree, so I've got one shell that's missing. He might have actually shot this thing, I said, So I went down this trail right and he goes, yeah, it's daylight's coming pretty good. Now you can see pretty good, I said, all right, And I fucking racked that shotgun real good. Made sure that obviously you know that whatever was down there heard that. I had, you know, ooh, big scary gun. You know at a DiMeo, that's what you think, you know, rack the shotgun let whatever it is. No, it didn't care, I'm sure. And I told him, I said, you stand right here and wait, I'm gonna go down this trail. I'm gonna see what I can see. If you hear anything, go if I scream, if I make any noise, other anything. You just get the hell out of here and call somebody. I said, it's already goten me. It's probably got the shotgun away from me, beating me with it like it's a stick. I said, just go. So I started walking down this trail and I didn't get very far at all, and I see blood and I start seeing a blood trail. Man, well, holy cow, he he shot this thing. And as I'm going farther, this blood trail is getting thicker and thicker and thicker, and it's getting supier and supier and supier and wider and thicker, and it's becoming a hell of a blood trail, like almost like dragging a dead body. Blood trail like it's getting it's it's a good one. And I start thinking, well, what bleeds like this? And I started thinking now, and immediately my mind goes to an artery or the head, because the head on any creature bleeds like the son of a bitch, and especially all like us. You know, you get cut above your eye or something, it's gonna bleed like you're dead. And this blood trail and it's going I'm I played fall the thirty forty feet already, So it's a good blood trail. And I started thinking, he hit this thing in the back of the head. I'm about to walk up on this thing laying they're dead, and then what like, what's my next? And I couldn't tell you, you know, I couldn't tell I couldn't to this day, I couldn't tell you what I would have done, what we would have done, almost as if nothing and this blood trail just ends, it just ends. And I looked down on the right side and there was like a little muddy area and it looked like there was a big scoop of mud missing, like something with just big old like almost like a big clawed hand or something reached down and scooped up mud. And then on the left side there was a chunk of meat. And I reached down and I picked up that chunk of meat. And I'll be damn if the head of that thirty thirty shell wasn't in that chunk of meat. And so whatever this thing was, I mean, I didn't watch it happen, but I mean, just putting two and two together, whatever this thing was was smart enough to realize it had been shot and it was hurt, and it got a comfortable distance away from what it thought hurt it, and it pulled out this bullet and then from what I can gather, probably used the mud and packed its wound. And I I basically took that chunk of meat back out showed him what I showed him, and we got we got out of there. And this was in twenty eighteen, and that was that was it. Nothing has happened. I mean, I'm literally going there this weekend and nothing has happened since. And some crazy things is like Obby, I'll tell you one thing, we don't hunt on the ground anymore. The tree stand about thirty feet in the air now. And some weird things though, was besides those coyotes, we ever found them, missing cattle, We never found them dead animals whenever found none of the horses were messed with, and so like the only thing that could make me rationalize this was that it was just a few things. Is I think it was young. I think it was young and curious. And then I think it was just moving through because this was twenty eighteen. It's twenty twenty five now, and we have I mean, he moved, he moved states for a couple of years, but he's back now. And besides that, I mean he's out there almost every day, and I mean I've been out there several several times since then and nothing. But that's the end of my two encounters. Do you think I was thinking about this when you said it that this thing was the same one you've seen twice? Did you think it followed you back? What do you mean by followed me back where. When you've seen it the first time? And then you said you're outside by the bar and you said you're taking a leak and you'd saw something that looked just like it again, do you think it was the same one? Well, I couldn't tell you because I mean, like I saw it from a distance, and the first one I saw wasn't That's why I said I think it was young, because it wasn't super big like when you hear other people tell these stories these things are eight nine ten feet tall and huge. This thing was super realistic looking. This thing was only at its tallest six five sixty six. It was between six one and sixty six, and it didn't look like it weighed maybe more than two thirty two forty. It was real, healthy looking, but it wasn't like you know, Hollywood muscly. You know, it wasn't really like just jacked. It was just a good look you know. It's just like good, healthy looking creature. It was very well built, but it wasn't, you know, just massive. So that's why I think it was. That's why I think it was a younger. But one thing that could lead I can't they could leave them to believe it was. There was a couple of them. Is the one that I saw in the tree. It hard to EAI if the tree was a good distance away, but it looked like it was pretty good, you know, its head looking out was pretty good distance up on the tree. So the one, the second one I saw, could have been taller. But as far as like following us back from the field. From the field to where we saw it to the cabin is only less than a half a mile. It's all in one big area, so it wouldn't have been nothing for that thing to follow the sound of, you know, just us bringing the trucks and stuff up, because it's all one big area, right. I just was thinking when you were talking about as I've heard from people before that when they've encountered something, they say, these things tend to follow them. And I don't know how true that is, but I interviewed someone last year and they said that they saw one in an area and then they lived a few miles away and this thing ended up being out on their property. So I don't Yeah, that's super believable. But it would have been nothing for this thing to follow us, you know, because where we went from the field, even driving the even driving the vehicle back up to the cabin is you know, it's less than a half a mile drive. And like I said, you could take the trails from the cabin straight to the field and it's you know, maybe a quarter mile walk or not. You know, so that thing, it would have been nothing for it to just been romping around the woods and come up to the cabin, especially, you know, because that's where the cattle and stuff are, and that's where the cabin is with the electricity and all the locks and stuff on. This never made you feel like you're ever afraid to go back out there. It took me, I'm not gonna lie. I mean it took a little bit right off the rip. I definitely didn't go back like the next day, right, But I mean to say I wasn't scared would be lying like why you know why you know, there's no need to come on this show or you know and lie about anything. You know, say I was scared, is you know that's so that's so truthful because I was absolutely terrified. I still you know, there's times I've had nightmares about it, like super realistic nightmares. And I mean even though I still go back out there, I'm going back out there this weekend, like it's always going to be, you know, you know, especially as being several years ago, that that that's kind of a fear that never like lets you go almost like a scar, you know, like you get in a car record you have something bad happen, You're always gonna remember it. But one of them like you can't let it like completely stop you ecau At the end, it slowed me down for a little bit, like I mean it it's scared to piss out of me. I definitely don't you know. I'm like I said to any of vieers that you know, you know you know that just don't like violence and stuff like that. I apologize, but I mean I just I can't go in the woods now that a gun. I can tell you that I'm just being honest with you. Just man, demand I'm just I you know, I don't think that makes me any weaker. I don't think that makes me anything. But I mean, if you saw what I saw and then you saw the coyotes, I mean, did this thing hurt us? Absolutely? Is it? Could it be wrong that we wanted to kill it and try to kill it, Yeah, it could be, you know, but we were I mean we're early twenties at the time, we were early twenties. We were scared shitless, and you know, we just did what we could to protect ourselves. And I'm just going you know, I'm gonna tell you straight up, if I'm in the woods and it you know, this thing is I run into this thing and I got a gun on me, and I think I'm gonna go home and see my kids and you know, my you know, my woman, I'll tell you right now, I'm gonna go home. You know it's me. I had that mindset. It's me or it. And I mean, you know, but obviously you know huntings. You know I've killed you know, I've killed several animals throughout the years because what hunters do. And I, like I said, I'm sorry for sensitive years, but I don't have problems taking the life of an animal. But I don't just you know, like I said, if I'm hunting, you know, I'm not just going out on my way to just go kill stuff to kill stuff, right, Oh, I mean obviously coyotes and pigs, but they're considered a nuisance. And then obviously though you know, killing a squirrel of killing a rabbit using it as bait might sound rough, but you know, when they're in season, there's nothing wrong with doing it. And I just, you know, it's one of them deals, like I bite young. If I hadn't shoot this thing, I would, but yeah, I was. I was absolutely terrified, and it definitely messed with my hunting experience for a little while. Because this thing was so close when you originally seen it. You said it was like fifteen feet away. It obviously could have easily got you if it wanted to. So do you think it was more or less just there to let you know that you're in its area because I didn't try and attack you. Well, that's why I think, in my mind, especially hearing other people's stories, that's why I think this one was so young. I think this one was more or less just curious, you know, because I've heard stories where you know, these things will you know, these things almost kind of like you know what people say, sasquatches do that, like you know, they'll knock a tree down, or they'll roll, cheer, growl, ask you. This thing made no noises. It almost like you know, it just was wanting to see what we were. You know, was like because it never made no threatening motions. That's the best way I can describe it. It basically just stood still. I mean, like I said, I it buried its teeth, like in my mind, even when it buried its teeth, it wasn't like a threatening bearing of its teeth, almost like almost like it was trying to smile at us, I said. I feel like I said that, this thing wasn't overly big like you know other people say they are, so I almost felt like it was just curious. I feel like if it was trying to run us off, you know, I felt if it was trying to run us off, it would have made some kind of noise or we would have seen it way sooner. And also, you know, with the coyotes, I don't know if it was that same one that did that to them coyotes. I'm tell you that right now, because that was that was pretty gruesome the thing that I saw. I don't know if it I feel like if it was gonna do that to them coyotes that have done it us, and maybe the coyotes were just actually on its area or messing with its food or something, and it just let them know what was up. Or the coyotes words food. Well you would think that, but like I said, it's as stondered as amore. It almost didn't seem like it was eating them. I mean, it could have made them because like I said, when we came back out of the woods, they were gone, so it could have decided to eat them. But it's just one of them, you know. I feel like that that right there could have been a territorial thing right there with how it messed them up. It messed them up almost like you know when you when you kill a coyote, you you know, you hang it on the fence for the other coyotes to see. So then I not to come back around. That's kind of what I almost felt like. That was whatever was down there was letting us, letting everybody know, Hey, you know I'm not to be I'm not to be messed with. Well, so I don't know. We might we might have ran into an even bigger one that night if we had actually have found it. That's what I was to say. It was like, if this was a juvenile, it could have been around one of their dens. I've heard that they have like some sort of territorial dens, and if something gets in their way, like they will go out there and destroy, literally rip apart whatever is in beating in their territory. And is what's real crazy is about six months ago, I talked with an elderly man that lives that's from that area, that's where he grew up, and I kind of approached the situation, you know, because whenever you talk to people like that don't know you from Adam or you know, stuff like that, you can't just be like, hey, I saw a werewolf in the woods. What do you think about that? You know what I mean? You got to kind of, you know, kind of approach it a better than this guy had. You know, he grew up out there, he be out there his whole life, and I just kind of asked him like, hey, can I talk to you and let's just be one hundred for a minute. And he goes, yeah, And I said, I saw something in jack Fort in twenty eighteen, and I saw it. I saw it twice and then my buddy had a real bad encounter with it. And I kind of explained it to him. I said, have you ever or had anything like this happened? And he just immediately, like immediately, like he goes, and it was crazy. He goes, I take you where they live. And like when he said that, like just like it is right now, the hair on the back of my neck is standing up. And he goes, these things are He goes, these things have been out there way before us, They're going to be out there way after us. And he goes, they keep to themselves. He said, just leave them alone. And uh and like I said, like I said, you know, I'm you know that And that was you know, like I said, this, this was just very recently I talked to this person, and that was just like the way he talked about him was so insane because he talked about him as if, you know, like I said, he talked about him as if they were almost neighborhood pets. How you know, like how casually he talked about him. It was almost as if everybody out there knew about him and we were the outlanders for not knowing about them. And so the way he said it, there was obviously more than one. So I can't confirm her Tony, there was more than one, because I in my mind, I only saw the one, and then obviously I saw the one in a second time, but I don't know how far away I was. Now you know, it was a good little distance of why I couldn't tell you how big it was. And then the one that he shot at and obviously shot, he said it was very similar to the one that when it crawled there. He said it was very similar to the one we had saw that first day. And it also makes me think the one he saw was the same one that we saw together. Because he's a big time snacker. Every time he sets in deer stands and stuff he sets there, he has a pocket full of like gummy worms, gummy bears, pop tarts, beef jerky. He's always said there eating, so it wouldn't surprise me at all. He was munching on something and this thing was just curious and came in there and see what he had, you know, it smelt it so and obviously with its head and his laugh at thinking atory and they would if it wanted to. So I mean, even though you know, people go like, oh, well, you shot this thing, and you know this and that, and you know, I can't believe you would harm something that wasn't even trying to hurt you all. But I mean, one thing I tell people is like, be in my shoes, Be like, be right there in the moment when this thing is right there, even if it ain't meaning you no harm, You're just gonna if something scares you worse than you've ever been scared in your entire life. I mean to say that you wouldn't do the same is almost crazy. Even if you're non violent, even if you don't believe in killing or injuring stuff, the fact that, I mean, when you're so scared you really believe you're gonna you could die. I mean, the human body is going to react different for everybody. But I don't think there's too many people that would say I'm that far off right. I don't even know how I would handle a situation again, if I felt like life orday, obviously I'm going to choose my life over something else. So anyone in those situations you got to do what you gotta do to survive. Which we were probably like we were definitely like, looking back at it, it was definitely silly of us to just go try to hunt something like that that, you know, I mean, just because we were scared to hunt it like that, because you know, we were just scared that that could be wrong. Yes, it's try to just try to hunt it down and kill it when it ain't bothering us. But also just remember, like when something like that scares you that bad, I mean, and I mean and obviously you know now at the time, you know, neither one of us had kids, you know, but it's like now it's like I definitely don't want to take my kids in the woods where there's you know, something like that out there. But it's just one of them deals, you know, like nobody died, but you know, nothing died but a pack of coyotes. So it's like, I don't know, Yeah, it's just it's just we might not ever know. It's one of those things that it makes your question once actually out there and you want to For me, I would love to be able to figure that out. But at the same time, I've talked to people that don't want to ever see these things again. So here's how irrationally, because I'm not superstitious and I'm not like you know, I'm not like all the governments out to get me kind of person, this is how I rationalize it. This is how I rationalize it with my mind. So the science, the science of a man turning into a wolf on a full moon or at any given time, there's no science there that can support that. But the idea of something that's been left alone in the woods and mutated or just grown and just became its own creature over time is very realistic because look at it this way. We have over ninety nine percent of the ocean it's never been seen by human eyes. When you want to get even scarier, right here in our own backyard, you got like seventy percent of like Yellowstone and Yosemity that's never been seen. There's what e something percented of the Amazon that's never been seen. I mean, all the time right now in the world where you know, they're scientists are discovering new species of bugs, new creatures. You know, they're finding sharks and places they don't, you know, the sharks don't need to be like there's stuff, there's stuff out there, you know. So like and I earlier I said sasquatch. I'll tell you right now, Like, I know this sounds crazy. I'm not like a super believer in sasquatches because i haven't ever seen one, even though I'm from Oklahoma. You know, when sasquatches everything here, I'm truly, ah, I am truly the definition of seeing is believing. So like I used sasquatch earlier as a reference for people because you know, people know that that's you know, kind of even though I don't. I'm not necessarily like a firm believer in sasquatches. I know that, you know, I've heard enough know that that would be like a sasquatch behavior. So that's how I'm like rationalizing that. But so I'm not saying that sasquatch isn't real. I'm just I've never seen one. But I've seen whatever this is. And you know, the community calls these things dog men, and that's to my mind, that's what I saw was you know, a dog man, Like I said it was. It was definitely upright, and it definitely was not a bear, and it was definitely real. And like I said, obviously in law enforcement, I passed drug tests quite often. I don't do any kind of drugs. The artist drug I do is tile and all, and I don't drink. I don't drink or do anything crazy. So I mean, and like I just we just got drunk and went out and made this up one day. Yeah. That's the one thing I don't understand when people say you were drunk or they're on drugs. Most people don't have the same hallucinations or drunken sightings if they're all on the same you know what I mean, It doesn't work that way. That's not how the someone's brain works. Where I'm drunk, the person next to me who's also drunk, it's not going to hallucinate see the same things that I am. Or if someone's doing some sort of a drug, the likelihood that you're hallucinating about the same exact thing as pretty small. Yeah, So I don't I don't get into the whole idea of when people blame that that's just a that's just a cop out for me. People just trying to look for excuses to write it off. And you know, alex Im, I saying crazy people, I said, I'm not when I say that, I'm not like a big believer in sasquatch, But like, you can't be upset for people not believing something that they haven't seen. That's like, there's gonna be a lot of people that, you know, my listen to my story and say I'm just crazy, you know. But I said, I don't ever call people crazy that say they believe in Bigfoot or believe in aliens. I just can't say one hundred percent yes or no because I haven't seen them, if that makes sense. No reason I believe in what I've seen now is because I've I've seen it. I was there for it, and it's one of them. You know. One day, if I see a Sasquatch, I'm like, well, sure as hell they're real. I'm not saying they're not real. I'm just saying I'm not. It's hard for me to get on board, but with something I haven't seen, that's how I always look at it. Yep, No, I completely get it. We've been going on for about an hour though, so we're probably gonna wrap this one up. But I did have one more thing to ask before we do. So, you're going out in the woods this weekend, and let's just hypothetically say you happen to see another one of these things. How are you going to react? I'm arms and honest with you. I mean, if it's how do you think I'm I mean, if I'm in if it depends on how far let's just for the politeness of all the yeers, let's just say, let's just it just depends on how far away it is. I kind of thought you'd go that route with it, so well. That's the most polite way I can say it. It just depends on how far away it is if I see it, No. I completely get it. Well, Shadow, it's been a pleasure talking with you. I'm glad you came on here and shared that with. Us tonight, and I really appreciate you. Thank you so much. Yep, you have a good night, sir, You too, buddy, Bye bye. If you would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells Podcast to gmail dot com, or you can also go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. Just make sure to reach out and get a hold of me and we will get something to schedule for a future episode. You can also find tenfoil Tales on Facebook and Instagram. 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