Ep. 241: I Don’t Believe in This Stuff, But It Keeps Happening

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the. Top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like Debt. Welcome back to ten foil Tels. I'm your host, Brandon to. I were joined by my guest Wannie. Thanks for coming on here talking to me. Awesome. I'm glad to be here. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. I'm Wannie. I was born and raised in Northern Indiana in Warsaw and spent eighteen years there. Interesting joined the Air Force at eighteen and moved to North Dakota and I was there for twenty two years and moved back to Indiana for a couple of years, and then I moved to Florida, and I've been here almost eleven years. So it's pretty much the roundabout way of how I got down to Florida. Anyway, you and my father took the opposites of that. He came from Florida when he joined the Air Force, and he was stationed here and he just never left. Oh my gosh. Well, I mean it is kind of warm down here, and if that's what you're looking, it is nice up there. It is, and it's I don't know, it's just different. It's way different. It depends on and like I said, twenty two years in North Dakota. I spent up there and the last winter, you know, my car's running. I'm trying to put gas in it. It hurts, and I was standing there at the gas pump with my car running and my parka and my gloves and thinking, why the hell am I still in this state? So yeah, But then I moved back to Indiana because that's where everybody was. And after a few years of that, it was like I could go further south I don't. I've never been to North or South Dakota, and for some reason, those are just states that you don't typically think about, like I couldn't even tell you like much about like North Dakota or South Dakota. South Dakota is Mount Rushmore and that's and of course, you know, they've got a couple other things about wall. South Dakota butt drugs, you know, and North Dakota's they say that it doesn't snow in North Dakota. It just blows from Montana to Minnesota and then Minnesota to Montana. You know. It just there are hardly any trees you could I know, driving from mine not to Bismarck, you could see at least twenty miles at least. And when we moved to Indiana, my daughter was like, I don't like it here, and I said why. She was sixteen at the time. She said, I don't know. I said, because there's so many trees and you can't see out in the middle of nowhere. And she said, yeah, I think that's it. So yeah, that was interesting. I've talked to your brother several times. He's been on the show, and we get along pretty well. And i'd make you this past summer. You came with your brother too. My little fiesta I had going on back out in the summertime. That was awesome. Yeah. I spent a long time cooking meats and didn't really get a whole lot of chance to eat the meat that I had smoked and everything else because everyone else was eating it. So I guess that's a good sign. Nobody was drinking the beer, so you had to drink the beer. Yeah, the keg that I bought, I had to make sure someone drinking right exactly. Good times. It was. Well, if you would like to start off with whatever it is you're wanting to talk about, I will turn it over to you and we can get into it. Alrighty. I think the biggest thing is is like and maybe I'll try and go in sequence and I'll forget and go back. But I know that Greg was like, you know, I should talk about this stuff. And then I tried to get my sister. You know, I was like, oh, we should do a group call. That way the things that I forget she could remind me of and I could remind her and then we could get all of But like I said, when she tells me something happens. I believe her, you know, and Greg too, I believe him. They're not they're not. They don't have fantastic imaginations when it comes to that stuff and trying to get reactions. But growing up, I think the biggest thing is is we were We started out in a two bedroom trailer. There were six of us, and I can remember my brother Greg going to my mom and asking her about the man that was standing down at the end of the hall. And of course nobody could see this man but Greg. Right, so I'm terrified. I was probably four or five years old, and I can never ever get that out of my head. So then of course I wonder if it's because he said something. I started hearing said things and seeing things, and then I, I don't know, try and not think about it. But then Mom was like, I think there was a trail here, the Indian Trail, you know, went through here, and so that's why we've got all this stuff going on. There were things that move in and I can remember specifically we were we had moved into my dad had made the granary that was on the property into a livable space for us, and he had like this, They had a platform bed and then they had this big old drape thing around it, so it was probably I don't know, two or three feet off the floor, and there was a back door right beside it. And I can remember Dad was pissed. We were down at the neighbors and he was so mad when we came home. He wanted to know which one of us is walking in and out of the house. And we're like, I don't know what you're talking about. We didn't do anything. And he said, somebody opened the door and I saw them walk in here. I looked at the curtain and he could see the fridge from where it was, and this person was like scraping the top of the fridge with their hand, and he knew it was one of us, but it wasn't one of us. And I don't know, I said. There was a lot of that kind of stuff. We were watching TV one night and the TV's going there's like four of us sitting in the living room watching it, and the front door opened and closed, and we, you know, like, what the heck was that? So we get up and we go outside. There's nobody there, nothing there. You know. I don't have any idea about what it could have been. There were a bunch of I want to say they were wild animals. I don't know what it was. I was terrified to go outside because I was I was afraid of dog's number one, because I'd been bitten three times, I think, And so I would walk outside and I would hear that low grumble and run back inside. And I know that Greg and I have talked about it. I don't know what it was. I'm more of the rational. I'm going to explain it away with whatever I can. And I don't know what it was. I want to say it was a wild dog, but I have no idea what it was. But it was there for three or four years. I was terrified to go outside at night because of it. And now that the granary is torn down, they put in a manufactured home, and I was. It was after we'd moved back from North Dakota, and it was my sister was out with her friends that night. I think it was a Friday night. She was out and so it was me and my daughter, my niece, and my grandnephew, and we were watching a ghost show. I don't know, it's probably ghost Adventures. The lights are off, we're watching TV and My sister had like sleigh bells I don't know, they're probably eight inches long, hanging on her door that way, if somebody came in, you could hear it. And we're watching this show and these bells jingled, and I can remember looking around that these three other people, you know, Katie who's seventeen at this time, and Shelby was eighteen, and Logan was I don't know, eight or nine, and I went, oh shit, I'm the adult. So I had to get up and go see there was nothing there. My sister got home and I was like, Stephanie, there's something wrong with your house. There's something wrong with it. And she asked me what happened, and I told her those bells were ringing, there's nobody there, the door was locked. I don't know what it was. And she says, oh, it was probably a big rat. I said, there is no way there's a rat that big that's gonna because her door knob is it's a little overwaist high on me, So there's no way there's a big rat. And what's it going to do? Go, oh, there's bells, let me ring it, you know what I mean? M M, yeah, I don't. I don't really know. I don't I'm just really good. This is why we have cats, Brandon, This is why we have cats because I need to be able to blame it on something other than I don't know what it is. And she didn't have any animals, and that was just upsetting to me. Yeah, okay, so let me go to North Dakota. Like I said, there wasn't a lot that happened, you know, just the creepy feeling you hear, the noises, that low grumble growl type thing. I don't know what that was. I can remember driving away from that house at four o'clock in the morning, because I was driving from the new house, the modular home, to North Dakota, because I was still living in North Dakota and it was early, early in the morning. I had an eighteen hour drive. I got in my car. It's a long driveway, and I see something standing in the road. And it wasn't a dog. It was too scraggly looking. I'd say it was more like a coyote type thing. But it was huge, huge, standing in the road, and I was so terrified. I didn't want to stop. I just I focused on what was in front of me because I knew that this thing was gonna I don't know what it was. I really don't, and it still scares me to think about because I don't. I have no explanation for what it was. I'd never seen anything like that out in the open like that. It was dark, but the street lights, the head lights, you know. Anyway, So in North Dakota, I had a friend, uh Paula, and I had a trampoline. My kids had a trampoline, and she'd come over and we went out. We were laying on the trampoline looking at the stars. Because it's North Dakota, it's nice and clear. You know, you get the northern lights up there. We're laying on the trampoline and I'm looking for the satellites. You know, you can watch the satellites go from one horizon to the other because we don't have trees up there. But and we're just talking and you know, we pointed out this satellite and I'm watching this satellite and it made an I need to return And it took me about two seconds and I was like, okay, I'm done. No way is a satellite going to make a ninety degree turn like that? No way I don't know what it was. No way, I can't explain that one. That one I cannot explain. I don't know what it was. Has this been something that you've ever experienced prior I've seen something like that. Yeah, it's not the first time. No, I've seen other little things, but you know, it's one of those Well is it a figment of my imagination? You know? I mean not that I'm hallucinating, but you know how you just wonder if you're really seeing what you're seeing. Yeah, but I had somebody there that validated it, and that was terrifying to me. I always feel like when someone starts talking about some of the things they see, typically when they start to remember, they can kind of go back and they can pinpoint other instances where they've had similar experiences, but they never really thought about it beforehand. And then you start adding things up, you realize you started seeing things and have these sort of experiences for a lot longer than what you really remember. See now, when we were laying on the trampoline, we lived closer to town, and before we moved into that house, we lived ten miles out of town, and you know, living ten miles out of town in North Dakota is pretty much the boon dogs. And there aren't there just aren't a lot of it's not spread out. It's more spread out now than it was thirty years ago, thirty five years ago, whatever it was. And there were a lot of unexplained lights out there. And that was probably the creepiest feeling that I had, aside from the house, the property that we grew up on, aside from that property in Indiana, in North Dakota, just that doom and gloom feeling and then being outside and I swear I saw one that went from like the southeast and it got right up above me and it shot northeast and I, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know what those are. I don't, Like I said, I think there are a lot more unexplained things that happened. Then people want to admit and I want to explain it all away, because it just is terrifying to realize that we don't know most of it. You know, how long were you in the Air Force? For four years? Okay? I've recently I'd heard a different podcast, I don't remember which one, but the person speaking apparently used to be in the Air Force and they had saw something on one of the bases that they were actually stationed at. And I've always wondered if anyone else that's ever been in, like the services or anything, has ever actually saw something that seemed out of place, even though you're on a military base. But it didn't seem like something normal that you would actually see at the base, you know what I mean, Like you're used to seeing fighter jets or tankers or something like that, but if something else was around. There, I'd never seen because I worked on the flight line. I worked on the tankers. I worked on the flight line, so we were outside. But you know, out on the flight line, especially at night, the lights are so bright that I don't but I've had people tell me stories from up there and mine not, you know what I mean. You know, that was where they had that big missile thing back and I think it was the sixties or whatever it was. I don't remember when exactly it was, but they had the unexplained things where all the missiles shut down and they went into high alert or I'd have to look into it, because I don't really know. But there are a lot of things that i'd add asked one of the flight chiefs, and he did not want to discuss any of it. So because you know, we're six sense of humor working on the flight line got you know, it's kind of like being in emergency medicine as an EMT or whatever. You just have a perverted sense of humor and you know, like, oh, we're going to make fun of this person. We're going to make fun of that person. But he did not want to get into it. And I know that there were a lot of towns up there, Tegas that you just don't want to, don't want to talk about, don't want to go near. And we were told about those places because it was just I don't know if they were devil worshipers or what was going on. I never saw anything on the flight line myself. Is there any kind of lost my train of thought? Is there anything else from mine? Not that really stands out? No. You know, here's the thing again, I can explain away most of it. That's the little things that I can't explain away that are terrifying to me. You know, I don't I'm not yeah, yeah, I don't have anything else like that. Well, what are some of the other things that you experience that you can't really explain away, because you sound a lot like me. I try and explain everything away too. I feel like once you can't explain it away, then that's when, right it starts to freak you out a little bit. Right now, We've been in this house here in Florida for a little over six years, and the woman that had it before us passed away. I took care of her. She passed away, we got the house which and her son passed away. He was living with her. This was, jeez, two thousand and seven when he died. But anyway, there are a lot of weird This is why we have cats. This is why we have cats. That's because I can't explain it. But one night my stepmom was visiting. It was not long after dad died, but she was in this room which is now my office. She was in here. Phil was in the shower. I was watching TV in the bedroom and I heard him come out of the shower and I see him grab the door and close it, and I thought, what the hell is he doing that for? You know, why are you closing the door because he didn't come in, you know, just grab the door and closed it. And so I hear him we have Alexa, Alexa turn off the light, you know. So she turned it off and he comes in. He goes, did you close the door? I said, no, you did. He said I did not. I said, yes, you did, and he got pissed at me. He was like, no, I did not. I said, well, it wasn't Carla, because she had there was a thing on the door. She'd have moved the door to hurt it. So I just told him that he had to have and I wasn't going to believe anything else because it was just too much for me. I just I cannot, you know. But then of course, seeing things and having things move, I know that, you know, Phil being gone, we had security cameras in the house because we had another guy and he was always in the house, so we had security cameras just to make sure that he wasn't lying about what he was taking. But anyway, we had these security cameras and I was up there visiting in Indiana and he sent me this picture and there's a periodolia, right, Is that what that is? Ye? You could see this guy's face and it looked just like Phil's friend Mark who passed away. His mom was living here, and I was like, that's not real. That's not real, you know. But he said he went to work that day and when he came home, both of the doors were locked from the inside, and it took him a little bit to be able to get in the house, and he couldn't figure out if somebody had come in and lock the door. So he's asking, everybody, were you over at the house? Reover the house? Nothing on the camera except for this face. You know. I had no sound at the time, just the camera. But I've seen I've seen things walking from the kitchen to the bedroom, and I hear the TV was coming on at three o'clock in the morning, four o'clock in the morning, and I'd get up and I'd have to turn it off. And that's when I was like, we're getting a cat. I mean, the cat can step on the remote and knock stuff off, you know. I just I don't want to know that stuff. But I still don't know who closed that door. And that's what I was talking to him about tonight before I came on here. He's like, what are you doing? So I told him and he laughed at me because he was like, I did not shut that door. I said, yes, you did I saw your hand. I saw the hand come in and grab the door, and it was like at my eyeball height on that door, So I know it wasn't the cat. You know, how big was it? I really couldn't tell you that the hand that I saw was Phil's hand. I didn't look directly at it, but it was as big as his hand. The things that I've seen walking through the house are I don't know. I have a dog and she's like thirty five pounds, and this was would have been bigger, but not like bear size, you know what I mean, fair size. No. I did have a dream, and it was the scariest dream I think I've ever had. I was asleep in the bedroom and I was alone, and I woke up in this dream. I woke up, That's what I thought. I woke up and I look in the corner and there's like this troll looking thing and it's just menacing and I'm like trying to get it out of there. And then I woke up and I was like, oh my god. So then I start thinking, Okay, well, everything I see and everything I hear is because I'm paranoid and I'm scared. It's not real, you know what I mean. I do believe that people experience things, especially when they're dreaming, and it is something subconscious for the most part. So if you do have some fear of I guess anything, I guess subconsciously you can manifest some sort of dream and that just you're thinking about what you're afraid of. But when you mentioned this troll, I have a reason for asking it. What did it look like? It had like a wrinkly face, and it was crouched in the corner. It had a big nose and big ears, maybe like an elf, only scarier, you know what I mean, something like that. About how big would you say? It was. Probably the size of a two year old two and. A half, which you just basically described is something that someone else has described before too, and they saw it while they were also dreaming. Oh no, now I'm getting goosebumps. And they considered it a demonic entity. But a lot of people consider all sorts of things demons, and I'm not one of those people that thinks everything is a demon. But your description is very similar to what was described to by someone that says that these things prey upon you during your sleep. They feed on your energy. Mm, which if you're afraid, that is a fear, That is an energy, and that's what they feed upon. There's things out there that feed upon that fear. I think that's the first time I ever dreamed that I woke up in a dream and wasn't really awake. Yeah, I'm sure it is, and I was terrified. Yeah, that's when when you mentioned the troll. It literally just kind of clicked in my head. I said, I wonder if it's going to be like this almost a little impish looking thing in the corner, like almost like a little goblin. Yeah, well, there you go. Yeah, it was. It was like a I don't know, it was I remember the darkness. There was darkness around it, but it was like really skinny. I won't say skinny, but it was, you know, slight build but it was small and it was crouched down. Yeah, it is a very reminiscent. I will off air. I will refer to you which one I'm talking about, so you can actually go back and listen to it. But that'd be great. So there's a a lot of similarities between things, especially when it comes with the dream realnd because a lot of people believe that dreams themselves are actually more of like an extension from this reality. So what we're dreaming subconsciously, like we're when we're awake, we're consciously here, but apparently we're able to travel to the other realms sometimes during a dream. So that's what people talk about when they're meditating in like the old Gurus or whatever, when they supposedly travel to the different like through the astral plane. Again, I used to never believe in anything like that. It all just seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. But the more and more I've looked into things, the more it seems to be like a pattern that you find out when you started looking into these sort of topics. So maybe there is something to it. I was talking to Greg the other day, not the other day, it was probably a week or two ago, and I was asking him. I said, you know, we have a neighbor We have a lot of drugs around here, like every other neighborhood, but this this girl walks up and down the street and she just screams. So I don't know if she's schizophrenic I think somebody said she was, or if her brain cells are fried. And then I asked greg I said, I wonder sometimes if people who have schizophrenia are really in that in between state, you know what I mean, Like there's an alternate reality that they're in which is just as real as ours, only we can't see it and we're not there, but they're kind of like strata on it, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's a I talked to someone else before and then claim. That's kind of like when you're able to venture into like being able to travel through the astral plane. There's I've had several different episodes that talked about it, and to be one hundred percent honest, I've never attempted it, and I'm afraid to try it, and I don't think I ever will try it because I'm too superstitious and I'm afraid I'd lose myself over there. I'd never return. Right. You don't want to invite that kind of disaster. I also don't want to invite anything back. Right, that's a good point. I don't want to go somewhere and something follows me back and I can't get rid of it. And now your family has got to deal with it along with you. Right, And we already deal with enough crap as it is, so yeah, for sure. Okay, So now that we're talking about dreams and stuff, this granary that my dad had made a livable space, he put uh skylights in it. That's what it's called skylights. Our bedroom was upstairs and you could see outside. And so I was always terrified of aliens. I've always been terrified of aliens. I don't know what it is. I'm not as terrified now, but growing up, I was so scared of aliens and being abducted and you know all that other stuff. And there were several nights and I wish I could explain it, or could have someone explain it to me. Several nights where I was asleep and in my dream it was like I was in a tunnel, like a train tunnel with the train track, but I couldn't exactly tell what it was. But then this bright light comes at me, like this train is coming at me and can see me, and it's blowing its horn. It's really loud. There's a bright light, and I just told myself, if you don't wake up, you're gonna die. And I had that dream so many times that I'm I don't even know how to explain it. That kept me from sleeping a lot because I was afraid I would go there. Is there many other dreams since that one that you've seen anything similar to that little impish thing. One other time it wasn't near as scary, not near as scary. And maybe that's why, I don't know, just trying to I was it was in a different house. I think we were staying over at the other house at that time, and I saw this thing there and it's not real, and I didn't have that terrified I'm going to wake up. Oh my gosh, I'm not awake. I am awake. I'm not awake, you know. And it wasn't behind the door, because at the first house I was, the door was closed, and it would have been if the door was open, I wouldn't have been able to see it. But the door was closed. And this other house, this one right two blocks away where we lived before here, we didn't have bedroom doors, and so it was more like through the bedroom and into where the front door was, you know what I mean. That way I could see it, And so maybe because I wasn't in a closed room, it wasn't as terrifying to me. Do you think you have any of these dreams now that I'm trying to there's a way I want a word it without sounding like a lunatic. But you think these dreams are trying to tell you something? That's basically the easiest way to get around into it is. Do you think the dreams that you have actually have some sort of a meaning or you just think the dreams themselves are just dreams. I believe now that you know, I'm older, and I won't say wiser, but I've done a lot of reading and wondering. You know, my daughter passed away almost eleven years ago on the first, it will be eleven years and ever since then, since right before she died, I'd been doing a little more research, and I believe honestly that I am being told something and it's a matter of just trying to figure out what it is and what I need to do with it. Do you think this is something that you're actually wanting to do? And I mean that in the sense of sometimes we think we want something, but when things actually start to happen, we're not willing to accept the signs or some of the experiences we've had. Again, like you're like me, and you try and write a lot of things off, so you think there's been instances for something that's actually happened and you've just kind of tried to write it off. Yeah, that's definitely how I lived my life, and it would take a lot for me to believe. You know, Greg sent me a reel of the guy in North Appalachia. He's talking about you know, dog Man up there. I was like, oh my gosh, we need to go, and he's like, uh, I'm not going. I said, well, I need to. I mean, I hear all these stories. There's so much AI and all this other stuff that you know, you see these videos and it's like, well, that's not real. How can that be real? People are good actors. I need to see it for myself. But if I saw it for myself, it would probably kill me. I'd have a heart attack. But that's the only way I'm going to know. I mean, I could see all this stuff, but I'm going to explain it away. I want to know. I don't want to invite bad things here in my life. I've had enough bad I don't need it anymore. But I know that there are things bigger than me that I can't explain. I think everyone has at some point an awakening, and that's when we have to look within ourselves and determine just how much we're willing to accept and what we're willing to believe. Because I think everyone has experiences. I think everyone has some sort of a moment. It's just a matter of if we're willing to accept it or not. Yeah, I I okay, So I got to tell you about Grandpa Chips. Grandpa Chips was who was a fantabulous man. He lived a mile north of us, and my mom would get you know, she just exhausted, but we'd stop and we'd see Grandpa. He had an old farmhouse. It was old. I don't know how old it was. It was just old and it was creepy. But I remember one night we were visiting in his city room. He was in his rocker. They're sitting at like a ninety degree angle. So Grandpa's sitting one way, my mom's on his left side facing the other way, and behind her there's a desk, and so my sisters and I are under this desk and we're goofing around or you know whatever. And Mom gets pissed and she's like, all right, let's go and we get in the car and she's like, all right, which one of you little sons of bitches said it's time to go, And we're like, what are you talking about. She was mad because somebody told her it was time to go. But my grandpa always said that he stayed in that house with Sam. Sam was his friend, and he'd go on vacation. He'd be like, you guys, don't don't make Sam mad. Don't be going upstairs. Don't make Sam mad. He's going to tell me what's going on. So he was gone. He was gone. He went to Michigan to visit family, and my sisters and I. We had one bike between the three of us, and I got on the bike to ride our older sister home, and Stephanie stayed on the porch at Grandpa's house. It's not funny, but it is. And I'm riding back and she's running down the road and I'm like, what are you doing? And so she starts screaming that she heard footsteps on the porch and she looked and there was no one there, and she took off. She's not staying. She is not staying. So I know, you know, I believe it, but I wonder sometimes if people just aren't like like our older sister Bonnie, she was just she was a sensationalist. And I'm like, oh my gosh, and I'm like, okay, well, I'm open to it. I'm open to it. I'm not saying that I don't believe you. I'm just saying that I'm skeptical, but I have an open mind. You know. That's just the way it's been. Is there anything else that you've experienced and you would like to talk about. No, but I'll probably think of something later. I said. We've been going on for a little over thirty five minutes, and I typically try and go for about forty five minutes, So. Gotcha. If anything, I may just put this together with another episode, okay, like another shorter interview. I mean, we could talk about the neighbor's house across the street. I know that Greg has talked to you about it and the lights. I can verify and validate that what he said was not a lie. And I know that the neighbor lady, when she was there and her husband was gone to work, she heard those footsteps going up those stairs, and she woke up and there was somebody standing at the foot of her bed, and I don't know if she screamed or kicked and it left. It was gone. It was just there was a lot of that stuff over at that house. I remember Mom hypnotized Greg and I don't know. I mean, again, I'm open minded. I'm skeptical, but I'm open minded. And he went, he said, he went over there, and he got to the edge of the road and this guy and I don't know if he was wearing a fedoro or a beret or something, and he told Greg he was not welcome on that property and he'd better go back home. And it wasn't until probably five years ago that Greg told me that that guy told him he was going to die when he was fifty five or fifty three, I don't remember what it was. And so he was terrified. He knew he was going to die. But yeah, so I know that I can, like I said, I can verify and validate that what he said about that house was not a lie. It was not a stretch. What is the one thing about the place that stands out the most to you, Like, out of all the memories you've had and everything else, Like, what is the one thing it always sticks out. The lights in the house, just the lights. Yeah. Well, and I say that only because we were across the street from it, and there would be no one there, Like they'd be on vacation and the lights are on, you know, and they would go off and on all night and nobody is there. And so going over there, it was like somebody's watching you. Because you've seen these lights going off and on. You know, somebody's over there. You don't know where or whom. Do you think that, Uh, maybe it was just you don't think they'd have something set up where the lights would go on and off, or did you ever talk to them about it about it not? Back in the early eighties, they didn't. I remember the eighties, just to have to clap on clap off. I didn't know what type of stuff they had. Maybe they had like timers or something they could set Oh, and. These people were poor, they wouldn't have been able to afford anything like that. So yeah, I just I try and look for ways to explain things, just like you. So I'm trying to rationalize how lights could go on and off other unless there's like a wiring issue. But if that's the case and they're lucky, the place sdn't burn down. Well, I mean it did catch on fire, what twelve years ago, it's still sitting there. The house is still sitting there. But like I said, it burned twelve years ago and nobody's lived in it since. I'm surprised that they haven't torn it down. Then if it's just been abandoned after caught fire, well. The county's trying to get him to do something, but yeah, it's probably better that nobody lives there. And the woman that owns it now you know, I'm still friends with her, and she's like, there's nothing there. I don't know what you guys are talking about. And it's like, I know what I saw, I know what I heard over there. I can't explain it. But like Stephanie and when she came home and she's like, oh, it's probably just a big rat. No, it wasn't a big rat. I didn't hear any footsteps of there, and a big rat would make footsteps. Yeah. When it comes to rats, I don't think they are as noisy as a lot of people try and make them out to be, because they're not as unless they're a huge beaver sized rats, you're not really going to hear a whole lot of what they are. They're pretty small for the most part, unless you get, like I said, giant subway rats from like New York City or something. In order for this thing to ring the bell, it would have had to been a huge armadillo sized rat. Maybe it's a raccoon or apostlem. I would have heard those footsteps too, right. I don't know. I don't know what it was. I know that she told me a couple of stories about stuff that she'd experienced there. I mean, and you know, you got the toys going off under your bed and you're just like, okay, well, the batteries must be dying. That's why it's doing it, you know, because again that's stuff I can explain away, stuff that I experience, but it's stuff that I can explain away. Mhm, the batteries are dead or dying. We did have a ghost hunting crew come in, you know, the paranormal group whatever. They came in and they're like, you know, we might have heard something, but we didn't really, And I was like, okay, well that's good to know. Again, my daughter passed away in that house that manufactured home. So it was one of those you just wonder what's there? You know, right, I'm definitely sorry to hear about your daughter. Yeah, me too. Well, if you there's nothing else you'd like to discuss, we can probably wrap this one up. Okay, it's been a pleasure talking to you again. This summer is a pleasure meeting you. It was nice to meet you too, it really was. And I'm sorry I couldn't drink beer. It's all right. When it was all said and done, I had. I had some help later on, and when I had to return it there was only maybe less than a quarter of it left, so it got drink at some point. So I don't know. I don't know if it was all for me. But well, let me tell you this. The food was really good. I know that. I said. I did the best I could with trying to drink and cook and everything else. Well, the food was good. So you didn't drink too much? How's that? No? I took almost twenty hours smoking that brisket, so I just was happy that everyone ate it so quickly. Wow, I love good cook brisket. I've had somewhere. It's like, what did you call this? That was? That was good stuff? Well? Annie, it's been a pleasure talking with you and I'm glad I had the opportunity to meet you this past summer. Thank you, Brandon, I appreciate it. Thanks you have a good night you too. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells Podcast to gmail dot com, or you can also go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. Just make sure to reach out and get a hold of me and we will get something schedule for a future episode. You can also find tenfoil Tales on Facebook and Instagram. Just look for tenfoil Tells podcast and reach out to me that way too. Remember to share the show around. Word of mouth is the best way to help the show grow, and just remember truth comes at cost. Are you willing to pay the price.