Ep. 251: House Cleansings, Spirit Attachments, and the Paranormal

[00:00:03] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:00:30] I see a orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And the guy begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about? That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose, and the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. Tonight I'm joined by my guest Mick. Mick, thanks for coming out here and talking with me. Hey Brandon, thank you so much for having me on. I know we weren't able to hook up before. I'm really excited about this. And one more time, happy birthday. Thank you very much. For the listeners out there, would you like to let them know a little bit about yourself?

[00:01:28] Yeah. So my name is Michaelene. You can call me Mick. And I am a psychic medium who is a co-founder of a paranormal team. And I am a Reiki master as well. So I do spend, and I do have a day job, you know, unfortunately. I mean, a lot of it like with the house cleansings, that sort of stuff. When somebody's reaching out, they need help. I don't normally charge people to come in and cleanse my team.

[00:01:57] Because it's not just me to come in and do a cleansing. Actually, I have one Saturday that I had to put off from a week ago. I had flu. You know, it's been busy since November. This is my fourth one. So I don't know what's going on. During COVID, it seemed like a lot of stuff was going on as well. But, you know, it is what it is. When somebody calls you in, I mean, they're usually in dire straits.

[00:02:28] They, you know, exhausted everything. So we come in and me and my partner, my brother helps a lot. He's part of the team. And we go in and we cleanse. We do an actual cleansing of the house, which might be like a religious rite. Although I don't necessarily say I'm religious. I am spiritual, but I was raised Catholic. So, you know, we do that in the house. I mean, we use, gosh, you can't.

[00:02:55] So blessed salt, holy water, palisanto, blessed oil, frankincense and myrrh. I mean, anything. I mean, we use everything. If we're coming in to do it, we're either going big or we're going home. And then my partner, Samantha, she's been like a practicing wiccan her whole life.

[00:03:13] So because, you know, nature and all of that is, you know, basically, you know, what it what wicked is and, you know, working with those deities and, you know, respecting nature and all that. But she does the outside. So we always do a good cleanse inside and then we do one outside. And if it's really bad or if it's a lot of land, we actually have to partition the land off. We had one in November and this place was huge. It was ten acres.

[00:03:41] But I mean, we can't you know, we can't put a border up on ten acres. So basically, you know, to to make a safe place for them where they're not crossing a border and getting back into the house once we cleanse, you know, then we do that. We salt. She uses moon water. She'll use whatever like herbs that she feels would be best for the job.

[00:04:05] And then for these people, we actually had to put like old timey iron metal railroad stakes into the ground at certain points. And you never know, you know how it is. And, you know, they're always asking. I mean, really, unless we get feedback, how do we know? But right after we did that job, the homeowner sent me a message and she's like, look at and the spirits could not cross the barriers that we had put up.

[00:04:34] I have a huge blowing light and everything else, you know, so far so good. We spend a lot of time doing that. I am a psychic medium as well. So, you know, I do I do readings. I work in a shop on Sundays in Livonia called Livonia, Michigan called Illuminate Your Spirit, you know, with a bunch of, you know, different healers and, you know, tarot readers and energy readers and all of that.

[00:05:04] You mentioned railroad spikes. How did that come about? Like for some reason, that's what stuck out to me is like of all things further the railroad. Iron because they're made of iron, the old timey ones. That's kind of what I was thinking. Yeah, that's what it is. It is the iron. I mean, I know with your tinfoil, you probably touch on a lot of things, but like fairies, that sort of stuff. They have an aversion to iron. So and that is true with the spirits.

[00:05:33] So when we have like a particularly big or I don't want to say it was bad, it wasn't bad, but there was such a culmination of spirits, their energies, whatever you want to call it. That I mean, it was it was ridiculous. And if we didn't partition that land off to make it safe, they would all come back into that house before we came in. Actually, when they came in. So I don't normally when I do a cleansing, go in and investigate, but I didn't know what was going on.

[00:06:03] And this was actually referred to me by another. She was a Reiki. She was a Reiki master tarot. And she had gone out. She had done her thing. And I guess she ended up telling the homeowner, like, you might want to consider moving. And by chance, you know, you say in the spiritual realm, there is no coincidences. But her and I had crossed paths and she was talking about it. Like, well, that's actually, you know, that is one of the things that I do. So she referred me to them.

[00:06:30] And when we went in, I don't know. Are you familiar with like what an SD is when you're dealing like with a paranormal investigation? When it comes to paranormal investigations, when people ask you to come out or something like that for them. Typically, what is some of the things that you encounter with that? Like, do you feel that it's trapped spirits or you feel like there's something else to it?

[00:06:58] Um, well, so when you go in, whether I'm investigating. So we actually investigated and one of the tools that we use is called an SD's an SD session. So you have one person who is, I mean, basically, they are kind of deprived of any kind of sensation. So we have them blindfolded. That person is also wearing headphones. And there is a program playing. The one we use is like almost like backwards Latin.

[00:07:26] So if anything you're hearing is like, you know, um, language, I want to say English because that's what we speak. But if anything comes through in English, then you know that spirit you're connecting. I personally don't like it. Um, I don't like it. It, it's overwhelming to me. Like it muddles my senses. So I, we like to do it because then I can hit on like the questions that I want to ask what I'm picking up.

[00:07:53] And when they, you know, respond, they respond in this specific house. I found this extremely interesting when we got in and we did the SD session is before we even started. Like we got Samantha set up. She's on a different part of the room. Me and the family are sitting at one part. And the first thing that Samantha came out of her mouth is so what it would be, she just repeats what she is hearing. And it was, are you going to make us leave? You know, and I had to be honest with them.

[00:08:23] Yes. You know, you will either cross to the light. Or you're going to get the hell out of here. So they have that choice. You know, if they want to cross and, and that happens a lot where, you know, they've been here for whatever reason, they wouldn't cross. You know, they lose sight of the light. And sometimes that's where, you know, we have to come in and help them. I mean, every situation is different. This one just had so much like the land, the house was just built four years ago.

[00:08:52] Like, oh, that's a new house that has nothing to do with it. It was the land and the land was kind of cool. So back in the day, right where their driveway was stagecoaches used to use the roads there and their house that their driveway was the actual why in the road. And you could still see notchings and stuff around the property. You know, so I mean, you're dealing with land, you're dealing with, you know, just all these spirits. So, you know, there's natives, old timies.

[00:09:22] And then as an investigator, I personally, because I, because I am a sensitive, because I am a psychic medium, I don't ever want to know anything going into a situation. Right. Because I have to, I have to rely on the information that I'm being given, you know, by my spirit team or whatever, who's wanting to connect. And with that, I am not careless before I go into any investigation. I ground, I protect my energy.

[00:09:50] I set intentions, you know, nothing is coming to coming at me. When I go into these situations, I literally have to be the baddest bitch in the jungle. You know what I'm saying? I cannot show fear. I cannot do any of that. You know, so you go in, but with the Estes, yes, they're there. You know, you have intelligent hauntings and you have residual hauntings. You know, residual is just the energy, you know, energy is never destroyed. Right.

[00:10:17] It just is redirected or turns into something else. So with that, and you know, I mean, the earth has been around for, you know, how many, you know, depending on what you think. But I mean, the earth has been here and, you know, people have inhabited this earth for how long? Do you think that some of the energies that get attached to places are from people that used to be here?

[00:10:44] Or do you think there's outside forces that get drawn into a certain location? There are both. Both because you will. So in some of the, if so for fun, you know, cause I don't go to the bars anymore. I like to do investigations. Um, I saw you were in Indiana. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. Okay. So one of my favorite, favorite, I don't want to call it a favorite. I've been there once, but since I've been there, I, we're going to go back. And that would be Randolph infirmary.

[00:11:13] And that is in Winchester, Indiana. And it has a long history. You know, it was a lot of these places that are open up for investigations. I mean, usually they're either prisons, you know, reformatories, places where they would dump, you know, the kids, tuberculosis, you know, like Waverly, all those places. Right. They have, you know, and they have that imprint. Why? Because there was so many, you know, so much death there.

[00:11:40] But a lot of times, unfortunately, you know, the people who we put in charge don't do their jobs. So there's a lot of abuse and everything in there. And yes, if you have just that culmination of sorrow and sadness and desperation and you know what I'm saying? Yes, it absolutely will leave an imprint.

[00:12:02] However, that's where you have the difference between, say, an intelligent haunting where you're able to actually communicate back and forth versus where it's like the same thing over and over again, almost like a recording. Or, you know, they want to call it a time loop, whatever they call it. But that is essentially what a residual is.

[00:12:24] It's just that this has been done so many times over and over again that even in death, that imprint is still there for that to be taken. Whereas where you have somebody like a haunting, a haunting is a spirit or a ghost who has not moved on. Now, when I do work, you know, people do want mediumship and that is me connecting to loved ones. So that's usually different.

[00:12:53] You know, you have to call, you have to connect to that energy. You know, when people want mediumship and they book an hour, I'm like, how are you? You cannot keep them for an hour. You know, it's just it's not feasible in order for them to to connect to us. You know, they have to lower their vibrations, you know, to be able to come down for us to be able to connect that way. So you don't ever want to hold them there. You don't want to keep them there.

[00:13:21] You don't, you know, say, you know, you want the message. You want to give, you know, confirmation, confirm it's who they think it is, you know, to give that message along. So that is like spiritual ghosts are the ones who are haunting the homes or the, you know, these places because for whatever reason, they've not moved on. Whether they didn't know they passed, you know, like the younger children and stuff like that.

[00:13:49] City View really hits me for that one. They had two kids come through and it was brother and sister. And then like something happened to one of the siblings and both of them. And I mean, it's just it's it's a lot when you go into these places. It's a it's a lot. But Randolph, I'll go back to Randolph where you're asking if it's brought in.

[00:14:14] So Randolph, you know, was a place where they actually, you know, like, hey, they had a woman feel terrible. I cannot remember her name off the top of my head. But she had been dumped there, just dumped there. They don't even know if it was her husband who put it there for whatever reason. And she had a room in the basement and she wanted out of there and she wanted out of there really bad. And she.

[00:14:42] Did she she got out the only way she knew how, you know what I'm saying? Mm hmm. And when you see her room and the determination she had to get this done, it was ridiculous. Like, you're like, wow. So, you know, you have these cases, but then it becomes abandoned and you have people who come in there who do want to, you know, do.

[00:15:09] I don't want to necessarily call it spells or whatever, calling in whatever spirits or they can. And and they they don't like send them on their way. So then you have. You also have those energies coming in. And when I was at Randolph, we were doing an ST session in the basement in the kitchen and the kitchen was a more happier place. But you still have to come down the hallways and it's split on that bottom. There was a woman's side and a man's side.

[00:15:38] And I have never seen. Anything like that in my a lot of stuff that happened there, I had not. I had not come across anything like that. Like they were very they were not good. They were not good spirits there. I'm not saying all of them, but the ones who were front and center. They were not and they they would mess with you. So we were doing the ST session and there's levels to this. So we're in the back in this basement.

[00:16:07] It's probably like two, three a.m. There's the main floor, I think a second floor. And then there's an attic. The attic we had really weird, really weird stuff happen up there. So when you're doing paranormal investigating, you know, there's a multitude of tools you can use. So I don't know if you've seen like they do like the light and it's just like a green grid. So if anything crosses through it, it breaks it. You're going to see it. Well, we were up there. Everything's charged.

[00:16:34] And I could see I could see I would say like a little guy. I could see it in the corner. I could see it watching us. And I'm kind of talking to it. And I'm in the middle of the room. And this green light turns white. Didn't know it did that. And starts to get smaller and smaller and smaller. So it's going to be pitch black. We're like, OK, let's get our stuff. We're going to go. We go downstairs. We test it. It is absolutely 100% fully charged. So we're in the basement.

[00:17:03] We're doing this SD session. And the gentleman who was, you know, whatever. I ask the, you know, I like to ask because then I can see if I'm hitting. And I could see above his head. So a lot of times when I'm able to see spirits, it's they're not good ones. And they can show you themselves how they want you to see them.

[00:17:28] So above him were like these three like shrunken heads. And they're telling him to go up to the attic. And while we had three of them run up to the attic, the other, you know, eight to 10 of us are down there. We're talking. I can see these things above his head. Like I literally like, you know, like in the cartoons and they see something and it's like, what? And, you know, they're like wiping their eyes to like, what am I seeing? Like that's how I was. I'm like, what? Because they look almost like outlines.

[00:17:58] But I could like a hologram almost. I guess that would be the best way I could explain. And, you know, I'm like, what are your names? And they're telling me, you know, basically to go F myself and all this stuff. And I'm like, no, no. And they're like, we want to go in. And I'm like, you're not going in. You're absolutely no. And he all of a sudden, like, you know, they're like telling the ones up in the attic. Now go down to this floor. This floor had a bedroom. And I'm like, just bring them back now.

[00:18:25] All of a sudden, the guy who was sitting there doing the ST sessions, like whips off his headphones. And he's like, I don't know what's going on. This has never happened before. He's like, but they're trying to get in me. And I'm like, yeah, they are. You know, I'm like, I'm doing the best I can to like, no, you cannot do this. But it was a really different place. I saw, I don't even know how to describe it.

[00:18:51] Like an energy, like a, like a, never, like I said, I've experienced some stuff never experienced before. Um, this entity, like coming at you on the top of the ceiling and coming at you almost spinning like with arms and stuff like that. Just la la la, you know, this darkness just coming at you. And we would see people upstairs and there was nobody upstairs.

[00:19:20] You would see them pacing back and forth. And the place was not good because I would have to go outside because I could feel I was starting to get affected. You know, you get that shaky, that kind of, that sort of stuff. That's when that grounding and protection I told you I did. That's when you know it's not working. You know, the energies are affecting you when you're, you're starting to feel it. Some people get lightheaded, nauseous, that kind of stuff. I got shaky.

[00:19:49] I got real shaky in there. I have to leave around and protect again. I mean, to put on like, you know, um, I work a lot with Archangel Michael, you know, and he is the defender of, you know, the, you know, defeats evil. That's what he does. You know, um, it is, there's a lot of places that have had a lot of horrible things happen there. And, you know, unfortunately those are the places that you want to go to as a paranormal investigator.

[00:20:19] When did you first come out to realize that you were like a psychic medium? You had that ability. Like a, for real, like for real, like, like growing up. Yeah. Cause I'm not, I'm pretty, you know, everybody has like this, Oh, this is what they're like. So I've always been sensitive. I'd always been drawn. Um, my girlfriend's mother growing up, she actually was part of the Michigan metaphysical society.

[00:20:45] And she had kind of like work with me with like tarot, that sort of stuff. But I just didn't pick it up. I have, in fact, I still don't read tarot. I, if I use cards, I use, I read Oracle cards. I have a tarot deck. Like I throw them in, but I use like several decks when I read. Um, and you know, life happens. You know, I always like everyone say like, I'm the scaredy cat. Now I know like that was my team, you know, like telling you your intuition. Don't do that. Don't go there.

[00:21:15] Stay out of there. And, you know, I'm pretty good at listening to that stuff. But like when the calling actually came, we're talking. So this is probably like the last 10 years. So it started with like, like warnings, almost just a loud voice in my head telling me, don't look, you know, don't look in the mirror. Don't look in the mirror. Don't look, you know, don't do that. Um, my ex hairdresser, um, lived in a haunted house. Didn't know. Didn't know.

[00:21:43] And, um, it did my hair and what my husband calls a fire engine bozo and my sister and I, and she's, she's sensitive to, she sees, she sees big time, but she, you know, she's not into, she's not into that. You know what I'm saying? It happens, you know, she can always talk to me about it, but she sees, I hear my greatest,

[00:22:09] you know, if you get into like the Claire's, you know, my biggest gifts are I'm clear audience. I hear, I know, I, I feel, you know, I, and I can, I see it's just, it's not as strong as the others. So we go into the house and I start to go up the stairs and all I hear is don't look in the mirror. Don't look in the mirror. Don't look. And I just kept hearing it. Oh, it just would not stop.

[00:22:38] So I go and I had to pee. We were drinking and I go to wash my hands and anybody, you're a man, so you might not appreciate this, but I mean, if you get a haircut, right, you get a haircut, you want to check it out in the mirror, right? Fire isn't bozo. My hair was really dark and I went to a bright, bright red. Would not look in that mirror because that is all I heard. Don't look in the mirror. Don't look in the mirror. Don't look in the mirror. Don't, you know, so I didn't, I go back downstairs. My sis. And I tell her like, I don't know. I might be paranoid this.

[00:23:08] And she goes, I'm not going up there. She goes, you don't see that. And I'm like, no, she goes, there's a green mist up there. And I'm like, okay. So I tell her what happens. And then the next time I saw him was in his, sorry, I'm getting over flu. Um, was in the salon and he was talking about all the stuff that happened in his house. I guess somebody did actually pass away in there.

[00:23:36] Um, probably not really nice or they didn't like gay people. I don't know. It was one of the two, but, um, he's like, anytime you come in and you see all the dog bulls and all that stuff up against the sliding glass door, he said the sliding glass door would like fly open by itself. And that sort of stuff. And then like when I started reading professionally and getting into the paranormal has been like the last 10 years.

[00:24:05] So when you were younger, I feel like a lot of people that I've spoken to, I can't say this is fact, but they seem to had some sort of, I don't want to say attraction, but like things were attracted to them. And that almost feels like to me, like when people talk about stuff like that, because you're able to actually communicate with things or see things that you feel like that because

[00:24:34] you have that ability that you're more prone to outside energies coming towards you. A hundred percent. Well, any of us who has this light on, and I want to say like, I'm not special. Okay. We all have these abilities. Just some of us are more in tune, but I'm going to tell you to get into, and some people don't, some people it's like, you know, yippee skippy, you know, I fought it for, you years.

[00:25:05] So I'm very good at turning it on and turning it off. My, actually the office I work at is haunted. And when we're out, when we're on, I'll send you the picture of George, but I had to cross somebody in our office and George, you know, I can't make them all leave and I haven't clipped. This is their home. And as long as they're cool with us, they're in the office, then I'm cool with them. You know, and I've been in there.

[00:25:31] I mean, they've, he's, I mean, he's scratched Sam because I also work with Samantha. He's, he's scratched her. I mean, we've had stuff happen. I had a kitten in there. I had to take him to the vet. So the cat was there with me and they, it was messing with the kitten. The kitten was, and this cat is fearless. That cat looked at the wall, backed up, started walking backwards and just shaking. And that kind of, that really kind of made me angry.

[00:26:02] So George and I had to have a talk. I had to tell, I had to explain to George who's boss. And that if he were going to mess with a teeny little kitten, then he wasn't going to like how I counteracted that. And that would be to do a cleansing and it would be to remove him from his home. And I don't want to do that. But sometimes you have to have that understanding. I mean, it is truly like a, you know, it is respect. You know, I've never gone in.

[00:26:31] So I, I've come across a lot of paranormal teams. I was on a paranormal. I was lucky enough to be on a really, I felt a really good paranormal team, which I learned a lot. So during that time, that's where I got a lot of my experience, like doing house cleansings and going in and almost like doing an intake, you know, you have to question. Cause I'm not going to, I'm, I'm not going to lie and tell you like every single house

[00:27:00] cleansing I've gone into, you know, has been paranormal. I have absolutely gone in where I thought maybe, and Samantha has a psychology degree, um, where they, that what was going on was maybe a little bit in their head. You know what I'm saying? Whether they had some kind of psychosis and that sort of stuff. I mean, and that very, very much can happen. Right.

[00:27:26] But I'm also not going to discount the fact that, you know, somebody can pick up an attachment or that sort of stuff. But if I'm going in and I'm cleansing and doing what I'm doing, they're not going to have an attachment. Nothing's going to be there because I am literally going in and wiping everything out. And as I leave those rooms, then I'm putting good energy back in there. You know? Yeah.

[00:27:52] Do you think that, um, this is not a loaded question, but it could be, uh, depending on what people feel. Do you think that some of these energies are manifested from the way people are in our world? So like, just say if you're a, uh, a negative type person, do you think you manifest that negative energy or you draw it towards yourself? And I'm going to tell you this too. So when people do have, let's say there is actual hauntings or spirits around them.

[00:28:21] Um, so when I talked to you, me earlier talking about being that light, they will come and they will, they will come. And if they're in your house and you are negative, you are depressive, they will match that. That that's what they're attracted to these low vibing energies. These, I don't want to say like these bad spirits, but you know, like, think of it this way. If you're a good person in life, most likely, you know, in the after world, you're, you're a good person.

[00:28:50] You have the ones who are afraid to cross for whatever reason, you know, and some are religious and some are, you know, I mean, a lot of them are afraid of judgment. You know, that's why they don't go and they stay here. Um, yes, the lower your vibration is, the easier it is for those sort of energies to attach to you, to be around you. And to be honest, they're parasites.

[00:29:15] You will never catch me doing any kind of investigation, telling them to touch me, to use my energy. You, if you go in there with me and they touch me, the first thing I, I, I, I I'd say is you have no permission to touch me. You have nothing because they will, they will, they, they, I mean, it's a manipulation of energies. Absolutely.

[00:29:40] And they are drawn to that and they will feed off of you and they will. And when you get people, I mean, but I mean, yes, it can affect them. You'll get people. I was doing a reading and, um, it was on video. So I could, you know, we were looking at each other and I could see this entity, this woman behind her. And I'm like, do you, are you aware? And she's like, you see her? I'm like, yeah, I see her. She's like, yeah, she's here.

[00:30:10] And you know, when I'm feeling sad and you know, that I always feel she's around and I'm like, yeah, cause she's feeding off of that. She's feeding off of all of that energy, that negative energy. Like that's why a lot of times they try to scare you, you know, fear, all of that stuff because that's the vibration, that vibration, that energetic vibration that they understand that they are attracted to. Like, I'm not going to say I'm infallible.

[00:30:39] I have actually had an attachment. It was about two years ago. It wasn't doing anything paranormal at all. So that would be more of a time where my guard would be down. It was Christmas. Um, I had to see my mother-in-law and I drank before I went over there and I picked up an attachment from her. I fricking knew within three days, I could feel it. I could kind of see it come out of my peripheral, kind of moving up, coming up.

[00:31:05] Um, and, uh, the group I was with for seven years, I just left, um, she was, I was sick and she's like, well, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to go in and, you know, do some Reiki on you. And Reiki, if you don't know, is like an energy, it's an energy healing. You know, I can do it long distance. I can, you know, generationally that sort of stuff. When they talk about like healing your inner child, that's a lot of times what they're using,

[00:31:36] you know, going back and healing, healing them. So she went in and she's like, well, tell me what you see. And I'm like, well, I see like this, this, the spoke spinning. And she's like, oh, I just, you know, was that your heart chakra? And I turned it and he goes, oh, what? And she goes, you got an attachment. And I'm like, I fricking knew it. I sent her a picture. She's in Philadelphia. I'm in, you know, the Detroit metro area in Michigan. I sent her a picture of what I saw.

[00:32:05] She sent me a picture of what she had and they were both, it was, it was similar. And lucky me, it wasn't a human. It was, you know, it wasn't a human attachment. So, I mean, they can get you at any time. I was lucky enough to know, have somebody take it, but it can happen. And I mean, really, it can happen anywhere at any time when your guard is down.

[00:32:27] That's why, you know, anybody who comes to me when I do cleansings, when I do readings, any of that, I am, I push like the grounding and protecting your energy all the time. All the time. And you can't see me, but I'm wearing earrings that are evil eye, two different, both wrists, all evil eye. Even my tattoos are protection. Archangel Michael, Archangel Metatron, the Merkaba, you know, all of that.

[00:32:56] But I'm going to tell you, none of that works if you do not set that intention to ground and protect or pray or whatever, you know, you choose to do. I do it all. I hedge my bets. Mm-hmm. Because, I mean, honestly, you know, psychic warfare is real. Have you ever heard of someone being in an area and I know they claim you get attachments or anything, but have you heard from anyone that's been an investigator that feels like they actually brought something back with them?

[00:33:25] I know somebody who did. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. It was actually, they were at Randolph and it was the barn area. Mm-hmm. And it took her, she figured out a month, within a month that she had the attachment. It was a man, you know, and they will, they will, you know, they will come on.

[00:33:48] But you heard me say earlier, you'll never catch me ever telling them to use my energy or touch me and that kind of stuff. That is the easiest, quickest way to get an attachment. I got it hugging my mother-in-law. Uh-huh. I just want to make sure, like, when I go out and do things or have people with me, like, we were out doing something for my documentary this past weekend. Mm-hmm.

[00:34:13] And before we left, I said that anything around is not allowed to follow us back. You have no permission. And they had to stay behind. 100%. 100%. I also, a little overkill, but I have blessed salt in my car.

[00:34:37] Yeah, I don't, I'm kind of superstitious about some things, but I'm also a little skeptical about a lot of stuff, too. So, for me, it's like, it's almost taboo. But when I go into doing some of this stuff, I'm like, I just feel extra precautious just to be on the safe side. Yeah, I mean, you have, I mean, truly, especially, I mean, because we might be at different facets, but it is all still the same.

[00:35:07] We are dealing with supernatural cryptids, you know, any of that stuff, all of that stuff, you know, and some we are able to protect ourselves against, and you absolutely should. Now, I'm just going to just throw this out there. When aliens come in, there's not really anything you can do. You know, that's for real. I, uh. That I know of. That I know of. I know a lot of people. That's not to say. But I'm always learning, you know, we are always a work in progress.

[00:35:35] I say there's a lot of people out there that think the aliens are already here, so. Well, I do believe, I do believe. See, that's why people go aliens, I go, eh. You know, like, they've been here for a zillion years. You know, look at our oceans, look at the pyramids, look at Stonehenge, look at how all of this. Like, how do you, it doesn't make sense unless that is in the equation. You know, but, you know, we do have ancient civilizations.

[00:36:03] I was just reading some stuff on, like, the tale of Gilgamesh, which is like, you know, which was written, like, what, 24,000 BCE? You know, before the Iliad, before the Odyssey, you know, all of that. And that has to go with, like, you know, Mesopotamian, all that, you know, the crux of civilization. You know, and talking about the Nephilim and all that stuff, you know. And it's very, it's all very fascinating. Whatever.

[00:36:33] I go with what, you know, I mean, because we hear a lot of stuff. Like, right, you hear a lot of stuff. And some stuff you'll be like, dude, that's crazy. Like, no. And then you'll hear some stuff, you'll get those little chills and shit. Or you'll be like, you know, that's for real. And that's what I go by. You know, what resonates with me? What am I like, yeah, this is okay. And there's a lot of bullshit out there, too, you know.

[00:37:03] So, yeah, but I always said that before I stepped into my gifts. That was my superpower. I know bullshit. I always feel like when someone said something about a lot of crazy stuff, I used to think, before I started doing my show, that there was, most of this stuff was all just crazy stuff. Like, it wasn't real. But the more and more I've dug into it, the realer it has become.

[00:37:30] And I don't know if that is a blessing or a curse, because it makes me even more curious as to what is actually going on. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Like, when we started doing this, like, I was always the person who didn't watch scary movies. I don't like, you know, at Halloween, I hate haunted houses. Like, I literally am, like, walk into a haunted house and hit the ground. Like, I'm not moving. Like, get me out of here.

[00:37:55] And then we started, once the calling came, and that's the only thing I can truly, it was like a calling, like a pull. Like, I had to do this. I had to, you know, however it came to, because I didn't know. Like, on Facebook, did you know? I mean, this is when it's so naive I was. But I didn't know there were, like, groups on Facebook that were, like, psychics and mediums and all of that stuff.

[00:38:25] Like, I had no clue. I didn't even know how, but how everything, like, fell into place when they say there's no coincidences. Like, I truly believe that. Because it's just too coincidental how everything kind of fell in line. And then here I am, you know? And I love it. I look forward to the next investigation. You know, I love it.

[00:38:54] Halloween time, we have a local greenhouse that has been here for over 100 years. And they allowed us to come in and for them to, like, raise money for their boiler. We did paranormal tours there and taught people how to use the equipment and that sort of stuff. And all the proceeds and such went to the greenhouse. A lot of times, the only thing I ever charge money for is my readings.

[00:39:24] That's it. But, like, the paranormal doing those tours, going and doing house cleansings, that sort of stuff, I don't ever charge any money for that. Do you? And I'll tell you, if I read you, I don't ever ask questions. Again, I just, I have to be able to trust the information I'm getting. That is actually what I was getting ready to ask.

[00:39:47] I was like, do you ever have people that come up to you and you get a reading from them, but you pick up on something that they probably didn't want you to pick up on? Yes. Yes. Yes. I absolutely did. Book club. I read for a women's book club a couple years ago. Actually weird because the psychic who was supposed to do it, she couldn't. So I stepped in for her and it was the hostess of the party. And I pulled, there's a card that comes out.

[00:40:17] It does not come out often. And I always hate when it comes out. And I kind of danced around it. And she goes, I want to touch on this. And I'm like, well, I'm going to be honest. When this card comes out, I usually know, like, there's been some, I don't know if I can, you know, S.A. And she's like, I've never told anybody that, not even my therapist. I'm like, well, sweetie, it's coming up and it might be coming up because maybe it's time now to deal with it. So, yes.

[00:40:47] Here's another. I just did a couple's reading. And she got, she got like the boyfriend card and I absolutely would not, I didn't say anything. I'm like, no, she's, she, there's, there's something more going on here. I don't know if she was hoping like I was going to jump on him. I don't know. You know, you don't know. Right.

[00:41:12] But, you know, what they were wanting, you know, and I hit on, you know, like any couple, you know, he works, he works, he works. She feels neglected, la, la, la. But did I pick up there? Somebody she's talking to somebody in the background. Yes. Did I say anything? Absolutely not. I wonder if some people have ever, this is just me thinking now. Yeah. I wonder if people have ever had that happen to where the person that they were with ended up freaking out on them afterwards because they.

[00:41:42] That's why I'm going to tell you. That's why a lot of work with one, a psychic. And she so many days a week will read at home. But to bring anybody into like the shop, she'll bring them into the shop because she doesn't want somebody to know where her house is in case she's, you know, like, yeah, they're cheap. I mean, because I mean, essentially when people come to us, it's either money, it's love or, you know, they want to connect with a loved one.

[00:42:11] Right. So when you get the ones with love and is he cheating on me? And you're like, yeah, he is. Absolutely. Like, you know, trust your intuition. I like you're asking me because you're already feeling this, you know, and a lot of times that's why I don't ask anything because. Because I have to like, again, I have to be able to trust the information that I'm getting is what I'm getting and not something you've said to me. So now, you know, now it's coming out and then I question myself. I can't question myself.

[00:42:38] If this is what I'm doing, I have to trust the information I'm getting is the best. So I won't ask. I don't ask. Now, I'll allow you to ask me questions once I've given you the reading. Like, hey, let me do this. I'm going to tell you what I pick up. If I haven't hit on it, then, you know, by all means. And I mean, I don't want to say, but I'm, you know, and before I do any reading, I always connect to that person's energy and I ask them for permission to do so.

[00:43:09] And I've had some where, you know, you get people who are gifted and they are a little bit harder because they are more in tune. And sometimes it's a little harder to connect. I had one and I'm like, well, allow, you know, are you going to allow me to connect? And she's like, are they going to let you? I'm like, it's not a matter of if they're going to let me. I'm not going to like bombard you and try to connect because they're not going to if you're not open to it. If you're. I mean, and that's essentially it.

[00:43:38] I'm only as good as the person who's allowing me to connect to that energy, to open up, who set the intention. So I'm able to, to do that for them, to give them the information or the confirmation that they're needing. A couple of years ago, I was doing an event and a random lady came up and started telling me she's gotten this reading from me.

[00:44:03] And the things that she was telling me was not at all accurate, but I just, I didn't tell her she was wrong. I was just like, Oh, okay. Because it's just. Well, okay. Then let me ask you this. Did it come true later? Did it come to fruition? I mean, cause like a psychic, I mean, think of that. I can read past, I can read, you know, what is happening, what your current situation now and help you like what future, what, you know, what that is.

[00:44:32] So what she, what they told you. Okay. So like, I'm there's like with anything else, there are great psychics and mediums and there are some who are, they're fakes, they're shams straight up. And I'm going to tell you, I don't let just anybody do a reading on me ever. I am real particular about who I allow into my energy.

[00:44:56] And there are a lot of fakes and there are a lot of frauds and I would never go up and start volunteering stuff with you. First of all, you know, what did she say? Like, I could understand maybe like, did she say like, Hey, you know, you have a loved one here with you and they want you to know this. Like that. I understand more. You know what I'm saying? But to go up and to just start blabbering at somebody, something like that, that first of all, didn't ask for it.

[00:45:24] So, you know, and most times you're, you know, anybody who approaches you like that, what's your react? You're like, what do you want? You know? So there, there are, I will not seek you out for her, you know, to read you. Now, have I gotten messages, you know, for somebody? And I just passed along the message. Like, I don't ask anything else. Like, I might be like, Hey, I, you know, I dreamt this or whatever.

[00:45:53] However, I picked it up. And will I relay that to the person? But usually it's somebody I, you know, it's usually a, you know, it's somebody who's passed who might have a message for somebody else. And that message might not mean anything to me. It may make no sense. And I'll think I'm crazy to relay it. But, you know, you get that. I don't know, like the urge, like it's not going to go away until I deliver the message. So you, you have that too.

[00:46:22] But somebody just coming up to you, giving you information that makes no sense to you. No, there, there's a lot of kooks. And then we also come across a lot of, you know, the quote unquote, these readers, these psychics, these so-called, these shams who reach out to people. And they're like, oh, I just, you know, felt your energy. And I just wanted you to know. And then they tell you, you have a curse. You know what I'm saying? And that happens a lot.

[00:46:51] That was kind of what this was. Yeah. They're full of shit. Those people make me so angry. They'll, I'll have somebody and I'm like, honey, it's a scam. But first of all, it's only as good as the energy you give it. You know what I'm saying? You cannot focus your attention on that stuff. Like you were talking about. So this would be a great example of that. When you were saying like with people and their negativity and stuff like that, will they also attract that? Yeah.

[00:47:21] Same thing. It's the same thing. I didn't take much stock in it, but. Good. Because I have had, and they're like, they, and I'm like, they're full of it. Like, I can't say it any nicer. They're, they're full of shit and they're, they're users and they're scum. And that's what they do. They, you know, I mean, you know, we, there's, you know, since the dawn of time, I mean, people, you know, you know, prey on other people, what they can get the quickest, the easiest way.

[00:47:48] And what, what better than to instill fear and to make somebody think that they need you because, you know, they have this. And if you're going to pay me this amount of money and I'll make sure it's gone, listen, call me. I'll do it for free. Like, but it doesn't, I don't put a lot of bearing into it, but that is me.

[00:48:10] Now you might talk to somebody else, you know, who, you know, is a practicing witch and, you know, they will be like, you know, what's going on? That's this, you know, let's do the candles. Do I have to do a court? I mean, it's like the mindset. I don't give energy into it. Again, when I told you I have to do this stuff, I have to remember and I have to believe I am the baddest bitch in this jungle and that sort of stuff. Nobody's infallible, but for the most part, you keep yourself grounded.

[00:48:40] You actually send you a grounding and protection, little meditation, like seven minutes. Do that before and after you do your stuff. Actually, everybody should be doing it every day. Honestly, like dealing with people going out of that sort of stuff. It also helps you to, you know, because most of us are empaths and we pick up from everything else. So essentially what this is, is almost just encasing your energy.

[00:49:07] So anything else that is out there that could affect you, it's not going to affect you because you're not allowing it to. That's where the protection is. A lot of the reason I do my stuff out in my studios, obviously I wanted to get out of the house, but I feel like sometimes the things that I discuss on this podcast can bring in negative energy. You are right. Yes. And I did not want to do it. Because we're calling it, we're giving it power. You know what I'm saying? I keep saying, you know, but you understand what I'm saying.

[00:49:36] Is that once we, once we put energy into something and we're calling, I'm not going to lie. I do not watch scary movies by myself. I love to watch dead files. I love her. I love their dynamic. It's one of those shows. I don't watch it by myself. And there's just things I don't do. So you are a hundred percent correct. You know, I think you kind of have that same mindset I do.

[00:50:05] And yes, anything you're giving energy to, you can. And yes. The lady had cryptically, and this is why I said it's almost like a curse, but she claims if I didn't, I'm trying to figure out how, remember exactly how she phrased it. But if I don't get it figured out before the boy turns 14, it'll be too late. But she doesn't tell you which child she doesn't tell you.

[00:50:34] Did she tell you any of that? No. She said, that's just what she, the reading that she got, the voice that she heard. That is what they wanted me to know. I was like, well, I have two boys. So I guess it could be either one. And I don't know what I'm supposed to be figuring out before the one turns 14, but. It's like, he'll be for this was a couple of years ago, but he'll be 14 next year. So I guess if I don't figure it out before next year, then it'll be too late. Yeah. But what if it's not him? What if it's the, you know what I'm saying? It's my four year old. So I still got 10 years. Yeah.

[00:51:04] So why put that into your like, okay, so here's another one as a reader. You know, some people readers will be like, yeah, they're going to die. I absolutely will not. Because first of all, what can you do? Right. What is, what, what is this knowledge going to help? I might tell you, you know what? This is probably a really good time to make sure you're spending a lot of time with them.

[00:51:31] You know, say what you need to say, say your piece, do that. But for me to go, nope, they're going to die. And this is absolutely not. You've been, so when I got the calling, that urge, I was told my, the message I was supposed to give was hope and peace. You know, so that's, that is where I work from. I work for your higher self.

[00:51:58] I work, and that's why I'm able to connect and get those readings. Because I come, I work at a higher vibration to give you the information that you need to be your best self, to help you along the way, to give you clarity, to give you that hope.

[00:52:16] Because a lot of times when people do come to see us, you know, some of them, I, you know, you have them come in and they're like a rat, you know, and you spend that time trying, you know, to calm them down, to be able to listen to the message that you have for them. So they know, you know, that things are going to be better. Is it going to be rough now? Yeah. You know, are you going to survive? Yeah.

[00:52:45] But you're going to have to take these steps in order for you to ensure success. Because what you're doing a lot of, you know, and that's a lot of us, you know, we have a hard time breaking these habits. And we find that these situations that we're in a lot of times mimic what we had been doing. And the universe will do that. They are going to test you and test you and see if you're still a dumbass doing the same stuff.

[00:53:12] We've been going on for close to an hour, but there's a couple of things I wanted to get to before we end this. One of the things I was thinking about is what is one of the hardest things you've had to adapt to since you've been involved with the psychic ability and the paranormal investigations?

[00:53:33] The hardest thing for me is to make sure I am grounded and I am protected that I'm not going in here. Like you really do almost have to be, for me, I have to almost, I don't want to say like be in that meditative state, but I have to be in a mindset in order for me to be able to do what I can. So the perfect example is I told you, I picked up an attachment like two years ago.

[00:54:02] I got rid of it, but you know, I took a little break and we knew we went in and did, I did an investigation maybe about six months ago. So I hadn't done anything about a year, year and a half, about six months ago, we go to, it was a restaurant. And I usually what I do is I go in and I tell you like, you know, where I feel stuff and I'm like, you know, put the REM pod there. So, you know, this, you know, do set them up in these areas where I'm, where I feel it.

[00:54:32] And I'm talking about the grounding and protecting. I did not ground and protect when I walked in, you know, and did my stuff. So we get into this corner and they put the REM pad down and it's going crazy. Like it's just buzzing and it's so annoying. The noises bother me, but it's going off. It's going off. And I'm like, and I started getting chest pains and I'm like, this guy died here. He had, he had a fricking heart attack or something. Like I'm, I'm feeling chest pain.

[00:55:03] So I go outside, I ground and protect, remember who I am, why I'm here. Let's do all that. I come in, I start talking to them and they're like, you already got the guy back there who died of the heart attack. And I'm like, yeah. So, um, feeling other people's or the spirits, that sort of stuff. That is why you ground and protect because as empaths, we are to observe.

[00:55:32] We are not to absorb. And what I was doing, I mean, I've had it doing readings, you know, all of a sudden a spirit busts through that. And you'll get some who are very, I'm assuming they were pushy in life as well. And they'll come busting through and you're like, you know, I'm having breathing issues now. I'm having this. And I'm like, they had emphysema on it. So that, that, that is honestly the part I don't.

[00:55:58] And I'm going to tell you this, I've been very lucky to not come across anything, um, demonic. That, that I say is beyond pay grade and aliens because aliens, you can't really do anything about, but, um, you know, if, if we came across something that we were not, or, you know, a place we were not able to, you know, clear out and secure and that sort of stuff.

[00:56:27] Um, demonic works differently than like paranormal and ghosts and stuff. So it will be more stifling. Um, you won't really have ghosts there. You won't have the paranormal there. And I mean, and the obvious, you know, stuff they say that comes along with it. Um, the paranormal team I was with that I left, they were the longest, they're one of the oldest paranormal teams here in Michigan.

[00:56:51] So they had a lot of experience and they, in their 20 years, only two cases were truly like a demonic. And at that time, then they'd call in and actually, they actually worked with the old Catholic church. A lot of the house investigations that we would check out to see what was actually going on would be them sending us in to see if they had to come in.

[00:57:19] And if they didn't have to come in, we were able to, you know, go in and do the cleansing or, you know, figure out what was going on and educate. I mean, I've seen a lot of different stuff. A lot of times, and this is just my experience, that a lot of times these houses, these are people who think they are, they are gifted, but they're messing with stuff and not protecting themselves.

[00:57:42] So when they're opening themselves up and they're, you know, calling on or meditating and that sort of stuff, they don't necessarily like Ouija board. There you go. Perfect example is everybody's afraid of a Ouija board. You know, a Ouija board is only a divination tool. Do I use it? No, I don't know. I don't need to. I don't want to. But basically what you're doing is, is you're connecting and you don't know what you're connecting to.

[00:58:06] So what you're doing is opening a door for anything to come through and connect with. So a lot of times I have found the houses that I've gone into, a lot of times that's what was happening. And you will get them lying. No, I don't do anything like that. I'm like, really? What's that? Because that deck of cards you have right there, I use those cards. So I know what those are for.

[00:58:33] So I don't want to say it's care, but it is carelessness because they're ignorant to what they truly should do. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And if you're going to do something, you make sure you are protected because I'm going to, this is not something you deal with haphazardly. Like I was supposed to do that house cleansing Saturday last week. I had the flu.

[00:58:57] I'm like, there's no way I can do this in the, in, in this, in the way my everything is, you know, I'm, I'm weak. The other thing that I was going to ask is for anyone that's listening and if they'd like to get in contact with you, do you have something for them to reach out to you? Add an email or something you would like for them?

[00:59:26] An email or I was going to say on, um, on Tik TOK, on Instagram and Facebook. Um, I am readings with Michaelene and it's, am I, you know, there's only so many Michaelenes. Trust me. I, I am the only Michaelene Collard in this world. Yeah.

[00:59:47] So you can find me on, um, like I said there, or if you want to email me, it's Mick, M I C K K A S as in Sam S as in Sam a at gmail.com. If you're in Mish, actually anywhere, we do phone readings and we do walk-ins. I'm at illuminate your spirit every Sunday from noon to 4 PM. And I do readings and actually I do, um, I do animal readings as well.

[01:00:19] Okay. Sometimes we have people come in, you know, with their pets. I was going to ask, cause you brought that up now. So before we end, have you ever had when someone brought in a pet or anything, what is, how does an animal reading work? Like, do you pick up on the energy from the animal itself? It is 100% energy or, um, the one I just did, he, he was a nervous wreck. I felt, but I could touch him, you know, the reading room.

[01:00:47] So reading rooms are generally kind of small. Imagine a card table to cheers, you know, there might be some shelving and stuff in there. So it was me, um, these, the, the people who brought them in and this, it was a golden retriever and he was, he was so nervous, but I, I, you know, I could touch, I could still touch him. Cause his butt was on me. So I still had him touching. Um, weirdly he'd shown himself to me in a past life.

[01:01:13] I don't, you'll say this is crazy, but when I tell them what's going on and what I saw, they're like, oh my gosh. Like he barks at us to get up so he can chase us. So this golden retriever showed me himself as like a border collie. What a border collies do. They heard. So he would get them up and he would chase them around and he just like, he liked to hurt them. Mm-hmm.

[01:01:40] Well, he went a little bit more exercise, but that, that was what was going on with him. I would be curious to know what my, uh, golden doodle thinks that all he does is sleep all day. I'd have to see him or touch him, but keep this like energy is energy. Like when I do readings, I can, you know, I can do them via text, phone video in person, you know, all of that. But I still have to like, do you allow me to connect to your energy?

[01:02:10] That's the, everybody else. I, that's what I would, do you allow me? And, you know, if you say no, then I don't know why you're here seeing me, but you know, yes, everybody says yes. And, you know, we connect, they set intentions. I connect to energy and then, then, then it's showtime. Then we do it. This, my dog, I say he's the most chillest dog because he just sleeps all day long.

[01:02:36] And he has very rarely ever barked at anything. Really? Yeah. I, I, we used to think maybe he couldn't hear that he was deaf because he, even when you would yell at him, like to come here or what, he'd just ignore you. But he can definitely hear. He just chooses to ignore you. And you have a, he was a cat in a past life. Yeah. That's the sleeping all day and ignoring you. Okay. Yeah. So he, I'll tell you that right now. Like I had to go get him groomed today.

[01:03:04] So he hops in the truck and just lays down the seat. Doesn't even try and look out the window. He doesn't care. He just lays down. Really? Yeah. He's the most chillest dog. I put my dog in the car and you think he's going to freaking have a panic attack. That is what my other dog, I have a German Shepherd. She is so high strung that they actually get her anxiety medication because of how crazy she gets. We give her CBD. Yeah. So they actually prescribed her anti-anxiety medication. I was like, I didn't know dogs could take this.

[01:03:34] I think it's my sister. My sister has the puppy. He's a year old. He's a, um, a Berenice mountain dog. And I always say he's Swayze crazy for whatever reason. He's, he, he's Scott. Anyways, they have him on tranquilizers and she just went Saturday. I just talked to her and they put them on, um, two Xanax a day. And that's like a, every day I'm like, they're giving them Xanax every day. They're like, yep.

[01:04:03] I'm like, oh my God. Yeah. Well, I think we can wrap this one up and for any information you have, again, if you want to send me links, I'll put them in the show notes for anyone that's curious. I'm totally give it. I'm going to relax. And I worked, but tomorrow I'll send you that picture of George from my office. I'll send you that picture of our partition. Okay. And the spirit not being able to cross it.

[01:04:31] And, um, I'll send you some links to my pages. Awesome. Well, yeah, it was a pleasure. It has been. Thank you very much. You are so welcome. And thank you for having me and happy birthday again. Thank you very much for that. You're welcome. You have a good night. You too. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

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