Ep. 281: The Cloaked Creature in the Alabama Woods: Invisible Until It Moved

[00:00:00] Well, I heard this and I looked and there's nothing. I'm talking about it's getting right on top of me and I'm getting my gun ready like, what is this, a hog, a bear? What is this? And all of a sudden, it's just like it come across me, but there's nothing there. I'm looking at this and I'm like, sitting there just like, what's going on? Like a cow or something just come across me. And I'm like, there's nothing there.

[00:00:27] But I can feel the wind past me. I can see the leaves and the grass and everything moving as it comes through, but there's nothing there. Literally nothing there. And I'm aiming my gun. I'm fixing to pop off around in something. There's nothing to shoot at. And I just turned around and I hauled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:01:00] The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red. I see a warp of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:01:29] It's to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about? That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death. Welcome to Tinfoil Tales. If you're a new listener, thanks for checking out the show and I hope you enjoy it.

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[00:03:52] So remember to keep an open mind, and I hope you enjoy it. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I'm your host, Brandon. Tonight we're joined by my guest, John. John, thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Hey man. Thanks for having me. You know, I've been looking at your podcast here lately, come up on it by accident, but I'm glad I did. And I just feel like I've found a place I can finally tell some of my experiences from years ago that I've been kind of afraid to put out there, you know?

[00:04:22] No, totally get it. Glad you reached out to me and we were able to actually get this scheduled pretty quickly. Usually I'm booked out weeks ahead, but I had a cancellation for tonight. So it kind of just worked itself out. Well, I'm glad it did. It was almost, you know, I reached out to you. I was like, you know, if there's any guy that gets it by listening to your podcast thus far, I said, this guy does. Let me reach out to him. And I was surprised you got right back with me.

[00:04:47] And, you know, we kind of talked a little bit and then, you know, you told me how to open and you usually don't. I was like, well, you know, this must be a sign. So, uh, let's try it out and see where it goes. So yeah, right now my schedule, I'm starting to look into January. So we're recording here, this in the beginning of November. So I'm usually about six to eight weeks booked out with about two or three interviews a week. So this was one of the nights that, uh, just worked out. Well, hopefully, uh, hopefully I'm glad it did.

[00:05:16] Cause, uh, I get some stuff off my chest. I hadn't talked about a lot of, a lot of, a lot of space and time. So no, definitely. If you would like to start from the beginning or wherever you want to go from, I will turn it over to you. And if I got any questions, I'll ask you when I get the chance to, I don't like to interrupt people. So I'll probably just wait till you're done talking on something. I got you. Uh, well, my name is John. I grew up in Southwest Alabama, about as rural as you can get.

[00:05:45] I think, uh, the little town that I grew up in was, uh, about 365 people. We were 35 miles away from, uh, the nearest bigger town. Um, which is, uh, right over there in Meridian, Mississippi. And, um, about eight miles from, from Butler where I currently live at now, but, uh, it's just a small rural community, just as small as you can get, man. There are literally, you can't drive more than five miles without passing the church.

[00:06:14] Uh, and now, uh, Dollar Generals there, they're everywhere. Um, but it's just, it's just so small down here. And I grew up and, uh, I was, uh, had a pretty rough childhood up until I was five. And then I was, uh, thankfully my grandmother got me and, and she adopted and she raised me. And, um, so as a child, only child, um, really no friends, nowhere near around where I was at. So I spent a lot of time in the woods.

[00:06:44] Um, and we had a, uh, pretty big spot of land. We were like 300 plus acres. So I had a, I had a, uh, a pretty good, a pretty good, uh, amount of land to just go explore. And, um, pretty early on, I just started seeing and feeling things, you know, the further I would go out into the woods and stuff.

[00:07:04] And, um, and then at night you would hear, um, you would hear like, if you took your hand and you rubbed it on a window that, that, uh, screeching noise, it'll make, you know, just doing that. And you'd hear that sometimes you'd hear tappings. Uh, sometimes you'd smell cigarette smoke and go out there and we lived on the hill and you could shine a spotlight and see nothing would ever be out there. And it was just, uh, just small happenings here and there.

[00:07:32] Um, things would go missing. Uh, we had a little shed out back, uh, had, uh, mason jars, uh, you know, can jars and stuff. My, my grandmother always loved to can vegetables. So she had a surplus in the shed and they would either be missing or they'd be moved, uh, little small tools and stuff. Um, it's just weird happening and stuff like that.

[00:07:53] But the most significant things happen in the woods and in the woods behind where I grew up, the big pasture there, there was a pretty thick woods, but there were three old house places back there. Uh, my grandfather had bought the land from a, uh, from a black family and there were several old house places, but there were three major ones back there. Um, and so a couple of the walls on a couple of them would still be standing.

[00:08:22] The roof would be kind of fell in on one side or whatever, but, uh, just very old, very old house places. But, you know, every time that I would get a child that I would venture further and further back in the woods, I would get closer to them. And, you know, you just, you know, what was there, you know, as a child, there was nothing happening that I really got scared of at the time when I first started going back there. It just felt like it was just a, like a deep, you know, like a heavy field.

[00:08:50] Like, you know, it's just unsettling, but, you know, it wasn't until, um, I got my first pellet rifle and I decided I'd be Rambo and be out in the woods at all times. And I go deeper into the woods. And I remember, uh, getting close to one of these old house places and just standing right there in the middle of the, uh, little small pathway that we had, uh, bush hogged out whenever we went to plant our deer fields.

[00:09:17] You know, we did some hunting back then and there was something in the road, in the little walkway there. And I, and I, and I could see it, but I wasn't, I, I didn't know what I was looking at because it was, it was strange. It was almost like there's something there that I can't really see, but it's blocking out the little portion of the tree behind it. And I stood there and I looked at it and then I just didn't know what to think.

[00:09:45] I'm like, you know, here I am a young kid way back in the woods and I don't know what I'm looking at here. And all of a sudden it moved. And when it moved the little tree behind it, the limb moved. So I knew there was something there. So I took off, scared the crap out of me. And I ran as fast as I could and I didn't go back out there for a while. And, uh, I remember out front of our house, um, we had a fenced in yard, but on the other side of the fence was some, uh, pine trees.

[00:10:13] And it stayed pretty thick and shady right there. Uh, you know, at all times during the day, I would look out there and I, you know, I would think I would be hallucinating it for something, you know, or I didn't see it, but I kept looking in, in between those trees. It seemed like I would see something about the same. It was, you knew something was there. You could see that whatever was behind it was blocked out. You really couldn't tell a shape, but you knew something was there.

[00:10:42] And all of a sudden it was dark behind a tree and go to an, I mean, you could see it just by, I don't know if, if it was some sort of, you know, camouflage or you think back to the first predator movie where he was digit, you know, that camouflage he had, it was kind of sort of almost like that, but it was, it was strange. And I started seeing that.

[00:11:06] And then I started hearing, you know, like rhythmic tappings on the, on the, uh, chain link fence, like right outside my window. And it would be, you know, just tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, almost like Morse code. And I almost thought it was that, but so I started going back out in the woods. Uh, I just go a little bit further and further every day, you know, just looking, looking and looking. And for days, of course I didn't see anything.

[00:11:33] Uh, but I went back there one day and I saw it again out of the corner of my eye. And then we were looking, it's probably 30 yards to my right. Cause I'm going to a trail that has another trail off of it. And I kind of just slowly turned my head and I look at it and I turned my body toward it and it just, it moves just a little bit.

[00:11:57] And I stood there for a minute and I'm just thinking, you know, if there's something there, you know, if it wanted me, it could run me down. So I'm going to figure out what this is. So I stood there and it seemed like it was forever. It might not have been, but just a minute or so. But finally, I just, I said, Hey, are you going to say something to me? I know you're there.

[00:12:20] Well, it's almost like there again, the limb behind it, you know, move the little tree, little pine tree that was behind it. And it kind of was gone. And I was standing there and I was like, Hey, come back. I just want to talk to you. I started getting, trying to get the deer fields ready for planting, you know, for the next hunting season.

[00:12:49] And I would take a break in between breaking up, you know, the disking up the land, you know, I'd take a break or whatever. And then I would see it again and it would just be there for a while. And then it wouldn't. And every time that I would walk through the, through the woods, close to these, and it's mostly close to these old house places that were back there. I would see it.

[00:13:15] I would feel it, but it was, I never felt any kind of anything threatening from it. It was just there. I knew it was there and it knew I was, that I knew it was there. And it just, you know, I could see it out of corner of my eyes sometimes. And I could, I would be on the tractor every once in a while, I would see it at a certain point.

[00:13:37] And it made a point of, it's almost, almost like it wanted me to know that it was there, but it was, it was doing nothing to communicate with me. It wasn't, um, it's trying to scare me or anything. So I got comfortable, I guess you could say with it being there. Well, um, and of course this is, you know, I'm probably eight, nine, 10 years old, you know, running tractors and stuff. That's what we did down here, even as kids, you know?

[00:14:07] And, um, I remember because of my rough childhood, I would have night terror and, um, I had a real bad one. And I went and got into bed with my grandmother. And, you know, in her room, you sitting in her, in her bed facing the other wall that the other wall, there is a, a vanity with a mirror and a chair that she would sit in and do her makeup or take her makeup off her face, you know?

[00:14:33] And, uh, I can remember waking up and it'd be almost daylight. There was light coming in and I sat up in the bed and I looked over there and I could see my grandmother's reflection in the mirror. Like she was sitting in the chair, but it was her reflection, nothing in the chair, but her reflection. And she was wiping her face as like, she was getting makeup off her face. And I said, I said, mama, what are you doing?

[00:15:03] Cause I would call her mama from time to time. I said, what are you doing? And I heard two distinct voices, one from over there toward the mirror saying, getting the makeup off my face. And the other one was, I'm trying to sleep. That was in the bed beside me. And I realized my grandmother was still laying in bed beside me. And I looked up and this image, this, this reflection of my grandmother had this big smile on his face. And then all of a sudden it was gone.

[00:15:33] And I sat there for a minute and I'm like, I've got to be dreaming or something. And then all of a sudden the door going out of the room was about three quarters of the way shut. It actually opened and enclosed as if somebody was exiting the room.

[00:15:50] And this was going on about the same time that things would be moved around in the shed or at night you'd hear that somebody like somebody running their hand down the window. And it's like a rubbery, you know, like that noise that makes you hear that, like somebody's outside, you know, running their hand down the window. Or you'd hear a little rhythmic tapping on the chain link fence and it got worse and worse.

[00:16:18] And then I would start hearing animal noises. Like, uh, if I don't know if you've ever been out in the woods hunting, if you've ever heard a rabbit in distress call, but a rabbit, you know, it, it'll raise the hair on the back of your neck if you hear it. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, you would hear that, but you go out there and there's no animals around and we had dogs. So if there's an animal out there that close, they would've been raising heck anyway. Um, the cigarette smell, you would smell it and go out there and you'd look, there's nobody out there.

[00:16:47] But you can distinctly smell it. Um, you know, and, and when I saw that fade, that reflection, I just, it was so unsettling the smile that it gave me. And then I set up a little bit further and I looked and I saw my grandmother in the bed beside me. And I'm like, what? And I looked up and I seen that door open up and close. Like somebody just walked out of there, you know, well, that freaked me out pretty bad.

[00:17:11] Um, and at the time, you know, you, you didn't talk about stuff like that because, you know, that's just not, that ain't real. That's just, you know, in your head. Um, and of course we live down here in the Bible Belt. So anything paranormal that don't have Jesus involved is, is not right. So nobody would, uh, seriously talk about it.

[00:17:35] Um, you know, it's so I knew that if I told anybody that, you know, I just be labeled as great or something's going on with this kid or he's got too much of an imagination. Well, um, we were out kind of hunting one night, hunting rabbits. And, uh, of course in them days, you know, that's just what you did. You know, you wait for a light rain, it'd be cold, you know, and you go out there and, and, uh, you can shine a light and you get them back in those days.

[00:18:03] But, um, we went back at the back of the pasture, uh, close to where one of the, uh, old house places was. And we went pretty close to it within 15 foot. We saw a light. Well, uh, person I was with said, uh, that happened to be my father. He will only come in and out of my life at different times, but he happened to be there that weekend. And he shined a light. He's like, there's somebody over there and he cut his light off.

[00:18:33] So we walked up closer and he thought it was a game ward. Of course, you know, hunting illegally, but, uh, saw light and I peeped around and I walked up just a tad. And I could see that there was an older black gentleman sitting on this table that was there with this light from, I don't know where the light was coming from. You could see a light, you knew that it was illuminated, but I could not see what the source of the light was. But all he saw was a light.

[00:19:00] I saw the black guy sitting there in a pair of overalls with no shirt on. And he was just sitting at the table. And I get, I move up just a little bit and I don't know if I breathe deeply or what, but he, they looked up and the light went out. So we're thinking game warders. I see this guy at this table. We take all running, get back to the house cause there's nothing behind us or anything.

[00:19:25] And he's like, well, I don't know if it's game ward or not or whatever, you know, I'm like, you didn't see that guy sitting at the table. He says, what are you talking about? At what table? I said, there was a guy sitting in a table in there looking at the black guy and overalls, no shirt. He's like, there was nobody. He says, I can see the light. He must've been hiding around the corner. He never saw it. I saw it. He never saw it. So there again, I'm thinking there's something wrong with me.

[00:19:52] You know, there, this is, he didn't see it. I saw it. I don't get it. But, you know, I would start going into the woods to go and get the field. Once I got those ready, I'd start hunting. And, um, I never will forget. It was cold. Went back there and, you know, I was like, well, I didn't really want to go hunting, but I needed to get some deer meat in the freezer. You know, it's been a minute since I shot one.

[00:20:21] And I went up there and I got in the shooting house and that probably been there 15, 20 minutes. Um, I started hearing a popping noise and I'm like, well, what is that? You know, that's, that's, that's weird. Almost like a small popping. And then it would get louder. And I realized it was something hitting trees, something small. I don't know, like a small limb. It sounded like just popping a tree, you know, with it.

[00:20:51] And it's going on around me. It's, it's about 50 yards toward the wood line on the other side. And this, it goes to off to the right, about 75 yards. And I can hear it going all around me. And it's just like, there's no way it could be in front of me. And then behind me. And then to the side, as fast as it was doing it, but it was almost like, I wondered if it was a woodpecker.

[00:21:15] And I'm like, no, there's, I don't see any birds, but it would, it would go from one to one side to the other, just around me. And it, and it would do that. It did that periodically for the next probably 10, 15 minutes until finally, I just got to where I just, I don't know. I don't feel comfortable. I don't know what this is. So I got out and it followed me tapping on the tree or what it sounded like all the way back. And it's about 150 yards.

[00:21:45] I had to go to the back of the pasture and it followed me all the way back. And the only reason why I didn't hear it then, because once you get in the pasture, there's no trees. Then it's, you know, you'd be out there fishing and I had a pond out there as well. And it wasn't too far from the house. We're talking 65 yards, maybe to the pond. And then on the other side of the pond, there was what we had the calf lot.

[00:22:14] We had a bunch of cows at one time, had metal fence, you know, paneling up. Well, you would be out there fishing sometimes and you, something would hit the water like a rock or something here and there. It happened periodically. And then sometimes at night, the calf lot is, like I said, it's probably pond 65 yards. It's probably another hundred yards past that.

[00:22:43] But you would hear something popping those paneling and it would do it. And then sometimes it would be tap, tap, tap. You shine the light, that big, you know, spotlight I had. There's nothing out there. The cows ain't even out there. But it would, pat, pat, pat. Pat, pat. Pat, pat, pat. On this middle. And I would, you know, go out there several times and shine a light and there'd be nothing there.

[00:23:07] And the few times that my mother would hear it, you know, she would be like, oh, there's somebody out there. Somebody's out there playing in our pasture. And I'm like, there's no, I don't went out there and said, well, there's nothing there. Nobody there. And it's just, it would get heavy at times. You know, you'd be in certain spots on the land and you would feel this heaviness, like something's trying to drag you to the ground almost.

[00:23:37] It's just, you didn't feel right all of a sudden. It's just like nothing in the world felt right. It's just like the worst feeling of impending doom. And then you would walk a hundred yards and you wouldn't feel it anymore. And it's, you know, it was, I found out later in life that where we lived at, there was a crossroads kind of divided the land.

[00:24:05] And the Indians in the area at that time, Chalotau Indians used that as a, as a trading post in that area. And actually there's a tree where the Indians used to, used to bend over trees to mark directions. We had one out there that was, that was due north. It's a great big old tree that they had bent down.

[00:24:27] And it was, I don't know how many, how old that tree was, but it's almost like you just, like I said, you feel that heaviness and you go to the other side, you wouldn't feel it, you know. And, but the whole time I'd still see this thing, this entity, this, I don't know what it was, but it would, it would watch me. And like I said, I know it was there and it was aware that I knew it was there and it would get closer at times.

[00:24:56] And I don't know if that was the same thing that was knocking on the trees, kind of chasing me out there or what was beating on the paneling over there or throwing the rocks. But, you know, at night, of course, things are dark. You don't see things as clearly, you know, you've always got that in the back of your head that everything bad happens at night.

[00:25:18] But truly it felt like at night that it wasn't a place that you really wanted to walk around out there. It just, I never felt all that easy being out at night, out there in that pasture or anywhere near the woods. You know, it just, I don't know. It's almost like it was some sort of portal in places of bad energy.

[00:25:48] And, you know, at the same spot that I saw that guy at the table that night, right in there, you know, it was one of the ones, one of the old house places that you still had like two walls standing in the window. And then, you know, the roof had fell in kind of in it and behind it. I went up there and looked and saw that table that was sitting there at that time. And the closer I got, the worse I felt.

[00:26:15] And, you know, it was, it would be after that you would hear the rubbing on the windows, the tapping, the, it would, I don't know, man. It was a, it was a cycle of just weird stuff. It would always happen. Um, and the more you, the more I started researching it myself to try to prove that I wasn't crazy.

[00:26:38] Cause I mean, I've spent my whole life, you know, knowing I've seen these things, knowing that I've had multiple interactions, but at the same time, knowing that I'd be labeled crazy. Right. And I've been listening to your podcast here lately and, and especially with, uh, uh, it was paranormal Paul, uh, enjoyed that episode, but talking about, you know, the, the, the fairy folk, you know, some of that folk lore and stuff.

[00:27:07] And, and, you know, some of the, uh, some of the hauntings and, and the, uh, um, you know, the, the folklore associated with, with, you know, what the settlers brought to these areas. And especially down here in the South, it's, you had so many different cultures coming down here. And then of course, you know, you had, um, the ports and all at mobile and, and, you know, the French settled mobile before they ever went to new Orleans.

[00:27:35] The first Mardi Gras was held in mobile. Um, you know, so you, you got so many different cultures and, and, and different beliefs. And especially, you know, you had, um, you know, once you had, uh, all the black people that were here brought their own religions and stuff. And it's just all the cultures that are truly melted together. And you hear different things as a kid.

[00:28:01] And most of the time, the old folks, if they all, if they talked about them at all, they would call them Hanks. And they, you know, they have little stories and stuff, but there are still porches around here that you can go that are painted. The ceilings are painted blue. They're called Haint Blue to try to ward off spirits. And, uh, it's funny how they will in the newer, the, the younger generation and stuff don't do it as much because it's kind of been lost and by the wayside.

[00:28:27] But, you know, there's in, I believe that now growing up and looking back at it and listening to podcasts, just like yours. Um, I believe that certain places hold memories and, and, and, and certain types of energy. And growing up and seeing what I saw and knowing something's there, you could just see it. But at the same time, you can't prove it because I could only see that there was something there.

[00:28:56] And it was usually at the time I was probably eight, nine, 10, 11 in those years where I really saw it. So it was only maybe a foot or so higher than me. And I couldn't tell really how wide it was, but all I knew it was there is because you couldn't see what was behind it. It was blocking the view. So it was, it was the weirdest. I've, I've never seen anything else like it.

[00:29:23] Uh, really like the predator might've come close, but it's almost like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I can close my eyes and see it, but I, it's, it's so hard to describe. Um, almost like you would have some sort of the best camouflage netting on you is, you know, that you were able to blend into the background without, you know, but not being able to see what's behind it. And that's how I knew it was there. Um.

[00:29:50] So when you're, when you're mentioning the, like the predator and everything, like it's cloaking or whatever, people have reported that they call it a glimmer man. Basically it's like a cloaking thing. And people have talked about it before on the show. I heard about it years ago, but a lot of people now they've referred to them as shadow people, but it's not really a shadow. So now they've started calling them a glimmer man.

[00:30:15] And it's almost like that cloaking that the predator used. Right. Well, yeah. Well, I mean, that makes sense. It's, uh, it's, it's almost like, you know, and, and the thing, I, I, I never felt any kind of, uh, animosity toward it. I mean, from it, I never felt like it was threatening me. It was almost like it's, it was almost like it was comforting at the, you know, in once I got more and more used to it, knowing it was there.

[00:30:44] It's almost like it was just watching over me in a weird way. And, and, uh, and, you know, you, you, you think of things like this and, and, you know, with the, with the alien, uh, speculation and the, the files that they have or have not come out with.

[00:31:02] Um, you know, you almost think, what if it was that, but at the same time, it's, it's, I think it was, had to be some sort of, of, I don't know, spirit or some sort of, um, it was something that had a conscious that knew I was there. And I don't know why, what it was doing other than watching me at all times.

[00:31:32] And I don't know if it was, I tried to communicate a few times with it. Um, never really got a response of any sort that, that I could deem as intelligible or knowing that it understood me at all, but it would be there for a little while. And then when it decided it didn't leave, it would, it would, sometimes I could tell it wasn't there that it left. You know, I could see leaves moving, going through the woods or, you know, sometimes I just kind of looked to the side and realized it's not there anymore.

[00:32:02] It's, um, but you know, it would, you know, I could hear it sometimes, you know, I could hear it before I would see it. You know, I knew it was out there and, um, kind of almost like an imaginary friend in a, in a sort, because at the same time, I'm seeing this time after time. I know it's there. I know I can't go back and tell my mom cause she's not going to believe me.

[00:32:26] A, um, and two, I didn't, for some real weird way, I guess I didn't want to break its trust, whatever it was. You know, if, if I was the only thing, the only one that could see this or whatever, you know, maybe it is something that's trying to communicate. And I just, I almost felt like I didn't want to, I would betray it by, by telling someone, of course, I didn't believe anybody believed me anyway, but.

[00:32:53] Um, you know, I, I, it almost felt friendly with it there toward the end and. Um, I would go out there once I hit 14, 15 years old, I would go out there and. And I think the last time I actually saw it, I was, uh, I was 15. I just got my driver's permit and I drove the course I've been driving vehicles ever since I was 10 years old. You grew up on a farm. That's just what you do.

[00:33:23] Um, but I got my driver's permit and I just drove the truck to the, the back of the pasture where the edge of the woods was. And I got out and, um, was checking the fence line there and I saw it. Um, kind of about 10, 15 foot from me next to a corner post on the, on the fence line there. And it was, uh, it was a little bit shorter than me at the time. I guess I had grown taller.

[00:33:52] So whatever it was at that time was shorter than me. Um, it, it almost like it come three or four steps forward, like it was actually going to come to me. So I just stood there and watched it and kind of just, you know, tried to give out the, as much welcoming vibes as I could at the time.

[00:34:15] Because at this time I've seen this all these years, I really want to, I want to know what it was, you know, but I never forced it because it just felt like that if I did, it would, you know, disappear and almost kind of, uh, it's weird because, you know, growing up all I had with my grandmother. So it's almost like I did have this something, you know, and, uh, almost as something exclusively, exclusively to me because, uh, you know, nobody else knew about it that I knew of.

[00:34:43] And, um, and then it stopped and just kind of stood there and just took off to its, to its right off through the woods, um, fast. And though I would go periodically back there, you know, doing green fields, but I never saw it again after that. Um, and I tried to, uh, I would walk out there some from time to time and just stand there and just, it's like I couldn't.

[00:35:13] I never feel it either before you, you, you would feel like a, I don't know. It wasn't threatening, but you feel comfortable at ease, you know, and I didn't feel it anymore. But once I got closer to those old house places, that feeling that, that dread, that, that sucking, it's almost like it sucked the joy out of you. You feel it, especially that one. And it's just, uh, oh man, it'd make you almost sick sometimes.

[00:35:40] And, and, you know, we had, uh, decided to do a new greenfield, uh, in the middle of the woods. So we took, cut down a few, uh, trees and then about two bush hog widths apart. You know, we just painted a strip down there in the middle of the woods and it was probably about 60 yards from this place.

[00:36:02] And, uh, we put a ground blind up there and, uh, and, you know, I was sitting there one day and just all of a sudden I felt just this cold draft. You know, of course we're in the middle of winter time and I'm like, God dang, I didn't realize the wind was blowing, but it was, it was just like a cold chilling to your bone type. And I'm like, man, that's got cold, cold.

[00:36:28] Then I heard something off to my left and I'm like, shit, there's deer, you know, I'm sitting here, but we're about being cold. I'm about to miss a deer. And I look out there and of course I don't see anything. And, um, the little blind I had, you know, you, you got the blinds now that ground blinds that are, you can see through them, but this one only had the little windows on the sides, you know, and they were, I don't know, just probably four inches tall by six inches wide.

[00:36:55] It was a flap you had to kind of, so I look at the side and I didn't see anything. And, um, then all of a sudden it just, it just felt like a rush of wind or something hit the side of this thing and about flipped me. I was sitting on the bucket that flipped the thing off of me and flipped me off the bucket. And I never felt anything physically, but it was just almost like this force.

[00:37:19] And then, um, I remember getting up and of course I had to grab my gun and keep it from falling and my scope to hit the ground. But I remember getting up and I'm like, what the hell? And I go out there and it's absolutely still, no wind blowing. No, no, uh, nothing just dead sound. It's no bird chirping, no, no, no wind blowing, no grass moving, no nothing. Just eerily silent.

[00:37:48] And, um, we even lived, um, from where I was at that point, it was probably. Uh, about a mile to the state highway, maybe a little bit further, but you could still hear traffic and you wouldn't even hear that. It was just like the most dead silence I'd ever been in my life. And I looked there and it's just like, where did this wind?

[00:38:11] Well, you know, how come, you know, if, if this wind knocked me over like that, you know, how come it's, it's just not blowing now? What is, what, what's going on here? Um, so I just grabbed my gun and, uh, decided to go back to the house. And I walked, uh, probably about 65 yards.

[00:38:34] And it's just all of a sudden, if you've ever heard something running through the woods, uh, something big, you know, I used to, I used to hog hunt, wild hog hunt. And you get a, you get a, a mama, a mama pig. You get one of those pissed off. It's got some piglets. That's something that's going to go charge the woods at you. And it sounded like a rhinoceros coming through there. Well, I heard this and I looked and there's nothing I'm talking about. And it's getting right on top of me and I'm getting my gun ready to like, what is this? A hog, a bear?

[00:39:04] What is this? You know what I'm saying? And all of a sudden this just like it come across and there, but there's nothing there. I'm looking at this and I'm like sitting there. It's like, what's going on? Like a cow or something just come across me. And I'm like, there's nothing there, but I, I can feel the wind past me. I can see the, the, the leaves and the, in the, in the grass and everything moving as it comes through, but there's nothing there. Literally nothing there. And I'm aiming my gun.

[00:39:32] I'm fixing to pop off around and something, but there's nothing to shoot at. There's literally, and I'm sitting there and it runs off for a while until I can't hear it again. And then it gets dead silent and I'm sitting there just flabbergasted, you know, scared to damn death for one thing. Hell, I tell you, man, if I'd had to go, uh, if I had to urinate, I'd have done it all down my leg.

[00:39:58] I promise you it was, it was, I'd been charged by cows before I've been charged by pigs in the woods and that's what it sounded like coming, but it was nothing. And it come right by me. And it was almost like it, it did it on purpose. Like it was trying to scare me. I don't know, but I took off. I promise you that. Um, and I didn't hunt for a while because of that.

[00:40:24] Um, but it was by that one house and it was, you know, well, my wife and I started dating and, uh, we get on the full wheel and we ride back there and stuff. And I would purposely not go by that house. You know, I'd make a wide circle and go down another trail, you know, and, and, uh, so one day we, we rode in the upper end of the hayfield, which comes right up there next to it on the other side of the other, you know, woods or not.

[00:40:53] She said, what is that out there in the woods? You can see it. I said, well, that's the old house place. And that used to belong to the, some of the people that my grandfather bought the land from years and years ago. And, um, she said, well, I want to see what it looks like. So I'm like, okay, I really don't want to go back there, but I'm not going to tell you why right now. So we get back there and, and she's like looking, you know, she's like, well, it's still standing and stuff. And, you know, I'm like, okay. She's like, well, let's go out there. I said, no, I said, oh, we're not going to go back there today. I promise you that.

[00:41:23] Well, why not? I said, well, I just don't like going over there. I didn't want to tell her one, because I didn't want to seem like I went manly because we just started dating. Other thing was I didn't want to tell her I was scared to death because of what I saw. And then the feelings that you feel around it, it's just, it's just God awful. I don't, it's a place that I never wanted to go to again. It's just, and then I told her, I'm like, you know, when I was a kid, I thought I saw a ghost sitting in there. Well, that's all it took for her. Of course, you know, she didn't want to have nothing to do with it because the thought of

[00:41:51] a ghost, you know, she's whatever, but I never told her about the rest of it. And, uh, I still, I haven't told her a lot about what we've talked about tonight. Oh, it's the first time I've actually told anybody about this, um, my whole life. And I'm 44 years old now, but I've also spent my whole life reflecting back and thinking of those times and the times I would stand there and be looking at this thing or be doing something.

[00:42:18] And I know it's sitting there looking at me and I'm thinking to myself, I know, I know I can close my eyes and take myself back to that instant. And I know there was something there, but I could never fully see it or communicate with it. It was just for some odd reason, it was drawn to me. But here on this other part, this old house place was there's this, this, this, this evil feeling.

[00:42:48] And then that happened to me that day when I was hunting. And it's just like, you know, it's almost like to me, it's almost like there's, there's boundaries out there or, or certain, uh, planes of existence in different parts of that land. And I said, you know, hell, it might be a portal for all I know, but it's so different from one side to the other.

[00:43:14] But at the same time, it's, it's there, you know, it almost feels like the worst thing in the world has happened there. It's just that feeling it'll suck it out of, you know, I know I keep going back to that, but I mean, it's, it's, it's a, it's a cold, it's a cold shoulder that runs through me every time I think about how it made me feel when I, when I would stand up her next to it. To this day, I can feel that it's just, um, and I don't know, you know, if, like I said,

[00:43:43] I believe that certain places that have a lot of trauma may hold negative energy. I mean, I know I've had, uh, friends that were civil war reenactors that actually went to Gettysburg and done it up there and they said that you could feel it. Um, you could just, at night, you could just feel it. You could feel it. It was just, uh, the, the amount of people that lost their lives and the amount of suffering it had out there. It's just that you can just feel that in your bones.

[00:44:12] So I kind of feel like that places hold, you know, energy, uh, whether it was good or bad. I mean, you know, there are stories about the sane asylums that were, uh, down here. I think one noticeably is in, uh, I want to say, uh, Tuscaloosa. Uh, I don't know if you've ever heard, uh, there's another place in Tuscaloosa, Sloss Furnace. You've ever heard of that? No, I'm not familiar with that.

[00:44:39] Well, it's a metal foundry up there that, uh, people have died at. They claimed it for it to have some paranormal activity. And there was a, uh, mental hospital that was, uh, closed down up there. They claimed the same thing. And people, uh, I think have investigated it, but it just feels like down here in the South. Um, there's a lot of, a lot of hard living, a lot of, you know, people come down here and it was, it was a hard way to live. Uh, we got a lot of red clay here. We got a lot of good soil.

[00:45:09] There's a lot of red clay. Um, but it took the hardest type of people to, to, to, to make a home down here. Um, it was just, uh, it was a tough time. And I remember my, my grandmother, they actually lived, grew up in the woods, you know, they didn't even, they had to make their clothes out of feed sacks. And, um, she would tell me of, you know, how hard it was and, and, you know, how much people

[00:45:37] suffered back in those days when you didn't have a whole lot of, uh, doctors and hospitals and people were so poor that they couldn't afford to go either way. Um, but I feel like there's a lot of, uh, of, you know, just places that do hold memories and I, and I'm just can't help, but, but know that that house had some sort of something terrible happened there.

[00:46:02] Um, you know, I, I, I would love to know if there, if there's someone who does, uh, you know, psychic or something could go out there and, and, you know, just walk them by it and see if they feel it. Or somebody that's empathic or anybody else for that matter, just, I felt like it would be, um, if anybody ever investigated it and really, truly, you know, got the, that got the same feeling and the same things that I got out of it.

[00:46:31] Cause it was, it feels like it could be just, uh, just a horrible place. Um, and then, you know, the child feeling that it, it just, it, uh, made me feel, uh, a lot alone because I didn't have anyone to really talk to about it. Um, and it would happen often. And then, you know, growing up in the South, you know, you go to church, that's what you do.

[00:46:59] And I remember asking the pastor one time, it's like, you know, what, what about spirits? You know, what about a ghost and stuff? He says, well, the only ghost out there that you need, that you need to be concerned with is the Holy Spirit, you know, and all your answers were in the Bible. Well, you know, you go looking and you can't find what you're really looking for. And it's confusing and nobody really wants to talk about things like that. And I found it interesting that they would talk about the Holy Spirit and not spirits that obviously live in these woods.

[00:47:27] Cause at that time I was convinced that's what it was, was a spirit. But the more I think about it, I don't know that it was, but I don't know what else it could have been. Um, it's, um, and like I said, it's, it's been probably 15 years or more since I've been out there to the place. Uh, it was my mother, my grandmother sold, uh, the pasture part of it with the house and

[00:47:57] then, but the woods of the state property. So family still owns it. Uh, just hadn't been back there in 15 or more years, probably a little bit more than that. Um, I don't know that I would want to go back. Um, the one, you know, the one entity that I was used to seeing, you know, to see it again,

[00:48:21] to communicate with it would be awesome to figure out what, you know, if there is some sort of different plane of existence or if it's some sort of spirit or if it's some sort of, I don't know alien, but all I know is, is that this thing would be around me a lot, just observing, just watching. But there's another spirit or another entity on that property and it's not nice.

[00:48:50] And it's, it never physically touched me, but the wind, the force that it generated, the wind knocked me off a bucket. And then it come barreling by me in the middle of the woods and Batman piss all over myself. I promise you that, but there was nothing there. And, and, and I just, um, you, you, you go forward and, and, you know, I started watching the,

[00:49:16] especially back in the 2000s when the paranormal investigation shows would come on and, um, you know, you, you would look and try to see if they were investigating something sort of like what I saw. Um, but, uh, you know, nothing to that effect or nothing to describe it like that. And, uh, I've, you know, I started getting in research and shape shifters and, and, you

[00:49:43] know, when dingos and, and, and, you know, and, um, stuff like that. And, you know, there's a lot of folklore that you see come out, like, you know, the Appalachian mountains, you know, you see a lot of that kind of content a lot lately in an algorithm, um, you know, centered around the old, you know, folks tell the, the, the cryptids, the, uh, um, but nothing sort of like, but until, you know,

[00:50:08] like you said a while ago, the cloaking, that's about the closest I can come to describing what this thing looked like was some sort of cloaking. Um, and I know you, you, you, yourself, you talked to several, you know, people on it, but did they describe it as the same way I did just being around or did they interact with it or?

[00:50:34] The one person that I spoke to, this was four years ago. It was one of the first interviews that I'd done. It was a lady that seen one when they was out by a vehicle, I believe she said, and she didn't interact with it or anything, but I think she was walking her dog or something like that, but somewhere she was around a vehicle and she's seen it. It was like a cloaked person. And then there was another interview that I did with someone that said that you could only see these things in a reflection and the reflection that they were

[00:51:03] seeing them in was like, if you've seen the reflection, like a bottle or like on a spoon or like something that they didn't think you could see them on. And then other people have talked about how these things have, are cloaking. And a lot of people in the Bigfoot community, if you're on the Wu side, believes that Bigfoot or these cryptid things or whatever these actual things actually are, have the ability to basically make themselves go invisible, like

[00:51:28] with some sort of cloaking. So they kind of zoom in and zoom out of our plane, like of our viewpoint. I don't know how that works, but that's just some of the things that I've heard. But you know, the reflection thing would make sense because if it was the same thing that I woke up and I sat up in bed and I saw the reflection, but it was mimicking my grandmother, almost like it was presenting something that I was familiar and comfortable with.

[00:52:00] But that the, after it, I said, what are you doing? And I heard there's two different voices, one from over there and one from right beside me. At the same, one of them said, getting the makeup off my face. The other one says, I'm trying to go to sleep. And I look up and this thing is just gone. And then the door opens and closes like somebody walked out. So I wonder if, if now that you say that, I wonder if it's some sort of, it's some sort of mimic or,

[00:52:29] I don't know. I don't know if it's the same thing or not, but I do know that there were things on that property that, that I, I don't know. I don't know what the, it was like I said, the one, it was always there. Well, I say it was always there. I was a lot. I was aware of it, especially when I was from probably nine to 13. I mean, I could,

[00:52:55] I would see it a lot, not every time, but a lot. And it just got to the point to where I got comfortable with it. It was almost like I had somebody, almost like it was watching over me at times, but at the same time, it just never communicated. Just, I knew it was there. It knew I was there and it just watched me, I guess. And I don't know if it was something just

[00:53:21] watching me mimicking what I was doing. But like I said, I was, you know, looking, researching this, you know, skinwalkers and all that folklore and stuff and common denominator. But that is, is that it's usually either a described as an evil spirit or some sort of witch or, or something

[00:53:43] that is able to take on different forms. And, and, you know, I, other than me just, you know, you saying the reflection thing and me having to think back to the, the thing I saw in the mirror. I mean, I don't know. It was clearly, that's all I saw was a reflection of, of her. Like she would be sitting in a chair, but you couldn't see her in a chair. All you saw the reflection.

[00:54:13] Um, it's, it's, it's strange to me that, that, you know, if there's more people out there that saw what I saw is, it's strange that, that, you know, I can't just find something and it's, it's not like I know that somebody's got the answer because nobody does. But the other thing that I thought about whenever, you know, you asked me if I wanted to come on the podcast was,

[00:54:37] um, you know, maybe somebody has seen something similar, um, pretty similar and, and they've had experience and they have more to add to it. Because like I said, I think it's, I feel like now, um, since I've got to the age that I'm at now, it's, uh, I feel like there's the only way to, to really figure it out is to finally come out with it and go public, so to

[00:55:03] speak and, and tell my truth. And maybe somebody out there is, has, you know, seen something pretty similar and they can add something to it because, um, there's definitely things out there that we, we can't explain. I know that I've seen it in my childhood. I know you said you've seen some things too. Um, and I don't know that we, that we'll ever be able

[00:55:26] to really understand or, uh, you know, find out what, what's really out there. And, and, you know, of course with these, uh, the UFO things and the Bigfoot things and never heard, never seen anything where I lived at, it would be considered a Bigfoot. Um, uh, you know, I've heard other people talk about, you know, tales, you know, here and there, mostly ours is sending around

[00:55:53] people claiming to see, you know, black panthers, which, uh, there are some mountain lions around here, but not very many, but, um, you know, we're, we're nobody really talks about, uh, things of that nature down here. It's always, uh, kind of a, we live in a small community, so nobody wants to be labeled as crazy because five minutes later, everybody else is going to know about it. But, um, right now that's how it is around here too, but I can tell you, I appreciate

[00:56:22] what you're doing. Um, you know, just allowing the platform, someone, you know, people that have truly experienced something to come forward and say, Hey, you know, this is my truth. This is what I experienced. Um, truly by listening to your podcast, you know, and, and you just being a genuinely good dude and, you know, reaching out to me, uh, I felt comfortable and I really do appreciate it, but, um, you know, when, uh, in a place that's steeped in religion, uh, of course you can find

[00:56:52] all denominations of, of religion within probably 20 miles of here. Like I said, it's, uh, you can't go five miles without going by church, but you know, I, I've always thought that, you know, if you believe in, in God and believe in Jesus and you believe in the Holy spirit, then you should believe that there is, you know, something else out there. Um, you know, maybe it's a different plane of existence. And I

[00:57:19] know you, you know, discussed this too on your podcast and maybe it's just another dimension or, you know, it's, you know, who knows, maybe it's a simulation, but at any count, there is, there is something else that is out there. There's another world. There is another something. And these things, people, entities, ghosts, whatever they are, they're out there. Um,

[00:57:47] and for the most part, I don't, I think, well, I know some of them are either evil or have, uh, you know, just bad intentions, but I know there's others that are like, whatever that was out there that was just, I don't know if it's just genuinely curious, if it's observing me, um, maybe it's some, maybe it was alien, you know, maybe it was observing me and what I was doing and this, that and other,

[00:58:16] but whatever cost, it was something that's not, that the world tells us that's not supposed to be there. Um, and I also think that I've also gave it thought that maybe when I was a child, you know, being as of the world, I haven't been tainted by the world's, you know, belief on everything. And I know, you know, things are this way. Maybe it was because of that. I was able to

[00:58:40] see it more clearly, but I know it was there and I know I saw it for many years and, um, um, you know, I, I just, I think it's in some cases they are aware that we're there. It certainly was. So, um, it's raised, you know, a lot of questions in me as to, um, what, what we really are and what

[00:59:07] else is really out there because, uh, it's, it's wild to think that, you know, you could be standing somewhere and then within five foot of you, there's five or six individuals, spirits or whatever that could really be there. And you not really know it until, you know, just some sort of

[00:59:29] the time is right or, uh, some sort of shift or something in, in the consciousness or whatever comes through and you can actually see it. I don't know, but I do know that there is something else out there. There, there's another plane of existence and, um, you know, we're in these smaller towns like this. I would hope that, you know, if, if you've got something going on with,

[00:59:55] with, you know, uh, with the amount of information's out there with, with Brandon himself, with what he's doing with his podcast and allowing you a place that you can come listen and, and, and, you know, you don't hear and talk to him about it. It's, it's, I, I feel better knowing that I've, you know, I found like a, a little bit of community that I can actually, um, feel comfortable,

[01:00:19] you know, talking to folks now that are, uh, in this, but also it's, uh, I feel better now that coming out with this, like I said, it's, it may not be a lot to some folks, but holding something like that in is, is, is, uh, not knowing how it would be received, but I appreciate you. Let me, uh, come on here and tell my truth. Um, and I hope that, uh, maybe through this, I can find that

[01:00:47] someone else that's, that's had these similar experiences to try to figure out something, you know, try to get some sort of information started up, but, um, No, I, I appreciate you reaching out to me and wanting to come on here and talk about it. Cause that's again, what I've said many times that I understand what it's like for people to not be able to talk about this type of stuff. So I want to give everyone the opportunity to

[01:01:14] be able to come on and talk about the things that we can't go to work and talk about with a coworker, or we can't talk to our family or just anyone in general, because you're going to get looked at like, there's something wrong with you. Absolutely. When at the end of the day, we saw something that we can't explain. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with us. It just means there's something out there that we don't know. Right. I mean, it's, um, I mean, growing up, if,

[01:01:41] if I'd had just one person that, you know, that I could have thought I could have talked to and, and, and really told that, you know, it would, uh, I don't know, you know, maybe it would have sent me in a direction to, uh, you know, to actually find more truth out there or to do what you're doing or to do what's, you know, some of these, uh, paranormal investigators

[01:02:06] are doing. Uh, I might want to have at that time, you know, but, uh, you know, what got married and started the family and everything. It's just, um, you know, there's something to be said down here in the South is, you know, they, you're expected as a male, you're expected to be a man, you know, uh, you know, you don't, you don't talk about your feelings. You don't, uh, uh, you don't let step while you're supposed to, you know, just get up and go, you know, be a man. That was the

[01:02:33] major thing growing up. Um, and, you know, you don't talk about whole about, about your feelings and stuff, but I'm, it's a new day and a new time. And I encourage everybody to tell your truth to someone, find someone that'll, that'll listen to you. And, and, um, because, uh, it's not good to hold it all in. And, uh, like I said, you know, with the amount of, of, of podcasts and, and, and

[01:02:59] material that's out there now, it's, it's a lot easier to research and, um, get connected with folks. And, and, you know, since I reached out to you, I feel, I feel like there's, you know, there's more people out there that are, that are more willing to listen to it and, uh, have conversations about it. And I do appreciate you, Brandon. Uh, um, you know, I don't, I don't know you from, from anybody, just knowing, watching your podcast and listen,

[01:03:27] when listening to your podcast and talking with you, but, uh, I can tell you you're good, dude. And I appreciate, uh, the space that you've given me and the space you give other people. And, uh, I hope that you continue to have a lot of success with your podcast, man. Cause you've, uh, I like how you do and everything you're to me, you should be up there with the top tier processes. I mean, the podcast is, um, of how you do it, man. You re you're really doing a good job.

[01:03:53] Hey, I appreciate the kind words, buddy. Um, I was thinking about a few things and do you believe that this thing that you've been seeing, I know, I know it's kind of just thoughts back and forth, but do you think this was something that was almost like attracted to you in general? Like there was some sort of an attachment to you specifically, or do you just think it was

[01:04:22] something out there that you come across and that led it towards you? Um, I think it was something that was already there that just, I come across or we just crossed paths. Did it attach itself to me after that? I guess, because it was, it was there when I saw it. And then, you know, I always would say that it might've been there when I didn't see it or wasn't

[01:04:51] aware that it was there, but it was just almost like a feeling that you would feel in the air when it was there. And it was like, you know, it wasn't, you know, just sparkly butterflies or nothing, but it was just kind of a comfortable feeling like, you know, um, but I think it was something that had been there that I come across. We just crossed paths. And the more I went out there, there, it felt like the more that it was, it would come around me.

[01:05:19] It's almost like, because you noticed it, it noticed you back. So. Right. I've heard this before from other people and I've made the reference about it too, is sometimes when you notice these things, they notice you back. And it's almost like now that they know that you know them, they're more attracted to you. It's like the moth to the flame. Like all of a sudden they see the light of you. So now they're drawn into you. And that's why a lot of people that have these experiences end up having more than just one, because for some

[01:05:46] reason, once that, that world notices you, you become more of a beacon for the rest of that weird stuff to start happening. Yeah. Like the second time I come in contact with it, the first time when we kind of both ran off the second time, it was just, it was almost like it was standing there watching me see what I was going to do. And I was sitting there watching it, seeing who it was going to do.

[01:06:13] And then finally it kind of just, you know, went off into the woods. I could see the leaves moving, limbs that would come into view when it moved and it went off in the woods. And it's just like, ever since then, it would, like it would stay longer if I was in a particular area doing anything and I was just standing there, it would stand there too. It would move. Sometimes when I would move, if I go on down the trail a little while, I could look back

[01:06:41] or I could look forward, I could see it there, you know? And the strange thing is, and now that I think about it, the very strange thing is I only tried to talk to it maybe a couple of times. And I don't know why. Now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, I tried to talk to it that first time. And then I think I said something to it maybe once or twice, but most

[01:07:05] of the time it was just, we just, uh, we both knew each other were there and we were aware of it. And it was, it would just, it would just stand there and watch me. And I know it kind of, you know, some people would be freaked out, but it was almost like there was something comfortable about it being there. It wasn't a very threatening type presence to you. No, not at all.

[01:07:33] Yeah. So it wasn't like anything that was like harmful or wanting to do ill will that we know of because you didn't feel that way about it, but you'd mentioned like you could get that feeling that there was something around there. We have that all the time when we get that feeling that someone's looking at us and then we happen to look up and you notice someone turns their head around. It's like that extra sensory that we still have somehow. I don't know how to explain it, but we just always know that there's someone staring at us or someone's watching us or something.

[01:08:00] Right. I mean, you, yeah, absolutely. But on the other hand, aside from that, I think that was one thing, whatever that was, but closer to that house place, especially that one, there was something else and it was dark and it was menacing. And it was, it was, I don't know, but it was never saw anything like that other than when it ran across my path and I could see the leaves moving and I could

[01:08:28] see the limbs moving as it come through and I could hear it and I can feel the rush of wind off of it when it ran past me, but I never could see any sort of cloaking or anything. It was just like, there was nothing there that ran past me, but I could feel the air and I could, I could hear it come by and see the results of it. And you would get by that house and it would just feel like the most

[01:08:54] impending sense of doom you've ever felt in your life. It felt, it felt like the most depressed, like, you know, I don't know, man, but it, it, it was, like I said, it was something separate from whatever this other thing was. I'm wondering if whatever dark energy that was around that place, maybe this thing, I don't want to say it was like a protective thing over you, but maybe it knew

[01:09:24] that area was something bad too. So maybe it was kind of like looking out for you. Yeah. You know, I would, I would, I would sit there at night sometimes and think about, you know, what it was actually doing. Um, you know, I would think about, well, maybe it's my grandfather that passed away and he's watching over me, you know? And I, and I thought that for a while, but then I was like, no, I didn't get that feeling that it was him. And then I would think

[01:09:53] about, you know, maybe it's some sort of, uh, I don't know, some sort of guardian angel or something. But then again, it just, it, it just, I felt, I felt, uh, at peace and I felt comfortable around it to the point to where it, I almost looked forward to seeing it, I guess, in some weird way. It was just weirdly something constant in my life. I know I could, could go out in the woods,

[01:10:22] you know? And at that time, like I said, I had my pellet rifle. I was only a kid. So I just grab a, grab a, uh, a container full of BBs and grab my pellet rifle and hit the woods. And, you know, if my mom needed me, my grandmother, I called her mom. And when she needed me, you'd honk the horn, not hear it. And I'd come out of the woods, you know, or else it would get dark. I stayed in the woods and it's almost like this thing was out there and it was almost like we were

[01:10:48] weirdly friend, you know, like they, like it was like, it was a friend, but it was just non-communative at all. And, and just was there. But like I said, whenever it, whenever we realized we were aware of each other, it, it, it kind of got more and more and more comfortable with me, but never got within probably, I would say eight or nine foot of, me though. It, it, it never really got up close or if it did, I never, I never knew,

[01:11:17] but it seems like when I knew it was there, it never got that close to what that was in the house and the mirror. I don't know if it was the same thing or something different, but it, it just, you know, I don't know. It's almost like, uh, it's, it's almost like that land was divided in some sort of different energy grids or something, you know? Uh, like this part over here was, it's decent energy or good energy. And this part over here is dark energy. I don't know.

[01:11:47] I feel like the land remembers. And by that, I mean like some of the bad things that happens, sometimes it leaves a mark on it. Cause people say they go to Gettysburg, they see the soldiers still walking. The stuff that I figured out with my documentary or well, at least I think I figured out like if the land has had some sort of traumatic experiences, like all sorts of bad juju going on, I think that's more of a recipe to have some sort of weird activity going on. I don't know if it's

[01:12:16] because of the energy itself or just the trauma that's happened, but for something that like scars the land. And I think for some reason that attracts a lot of this stuff. I'm, I'm, I believe the exact same thing. I, you know, it's, there's no way that, that, you know, if that much energy happened there, whether it was, you know, good or bad energy, something is, is left behind, you know, whether it's a, some sort of wrinkle in time, or if it

[01:12:41] is an energy that is left on there, something is left behind. And, uh, I, I like the way you put that the land remembers. I absolutely believe that myself, you know, it's, it's got to be because otherwise it would just be a piece of land, but it's kind of like, you know, people, if you're traumatized by something, you'll always be traumatized by it from that day forward. So I feel like it's energy has been put on you. And it's like you said, I think it's a

[01:13:08] energy that's been put on the earth and the land remembers. It's just, it has to be, uh, some sort of energy or, or different plane or something. Um, they claim in science, you can create energy, but you can't destroy energy. Right. So I think some of that means that some of this stuff is

[01:13:32] still lingering around, like out there for us. Well, you know, and, and, you know, I wonder if I'm not saying that I'm more sensitive than anybody else, but maybe because of the, the rough childhood I had before my grandmother got me, um, maybe I was more sensitive. I was, um, at a young

[01:13:55] age, I taught my myself how to, uh, watch people and to see if they were going to harm me and stuff. And, and, you know, to really, I, I teach myself to get mad when somebody hurt me instead of, you know, getting sad. So I protect myself kind of, uh, and then I was lucky enough to go to live with my grandmother and thank God for her. Cause I wouldn't be here. And I wonder if maybe some of that

[01:14:21] energy that I put on myself, that I train myself to watch people, maybe, uh, become more sensitive to things and could see things that, you know, maybe people who hadn't been through things that could see or could not say, I don't know, but I do know that it was there. I don't, I don't feel at all like it was ever threatening to me that part of it wasn't, but the other, other energy was,

[01:14:47] I just, uh, I know that they're there. If they are intelligent, if they are capable of feelings, I do know that they are aware of us and, um, I guess we're just susceptible to whatever energy they are good or bad, but, you know, it's just, I feel like, uh, maybe, maybe it was because I was young.

[01:15:14] Maybe it was because I was more open to seeing it. I don't know, but I never heard any of my friends talk about ever seeing anything like that, you know? So it kind of felt like, and going back to, you know, getting comfortable around the thing and feeling, you know, like I said, uh, there come a time where I felt like if I told anybody and they actually believe me, if I brought somebody out there, I would be, I was afraid I'd never see it again. Maybe I would, you know, betray it somehow. I guess

[01:15:43] it says how weird it kind of got was how comfortable I got with it. I just, I didn't want to do anything that calls it to, you know, never show itself to me again. You know, I felt almost, I guess, lucky in a sense. I felt like, you know, whatever this thing is, it trusts me to know that it's there to see it. And I didn't want to do anything to, to, to scare it off, I guess,

[01:16:11] you know what I'm saying? So I guess in some weird way, I kind of maybe bonded with whatever it was in my own way, because, you know, being an only child and not having many friends and, and maybe in some weird way, I, I kind of, that's what I kind of see it, saw it as, you know, I look back now and I wish there was some way I could have communicated with it to, to find out,

[01:16:34] but maybe we're not meant to find out. Uh, but I can tell you, it's, uh, never seen anything like it since, um, even with all the new, uh, AI technology and stuff that you see on, on the internet. And I haven't seen anything that's been made up like it yet. So it's kind of like, I still have this

[01:16:59] memory of whatever this is with nothing to remind me or nothing to, for them to make that, that kind of even looks close to it. It's almost like it's, uh, it was so unique that, that, you know, I'll never see anything else like it again. I don't know what I like to, as I was going to ask, because that's something you would like to see. You know, I, I've thought about this a lot. Actually,

[01:17:28] I thought I was thinking about it today when I was, you know, at work thinking about the podcast and everything. And I, and I thought about that. Would I really want to, I think, yeah, I believe I would. I don't think, of course, you know, I'm a lot older now, like I guess calmer and I just, I haven't set foot on that property in so long, but I think I kind of would, but to the point now where,

[01:17:55] you know, I really wish there was some way I could communicate with it, uh, to figure it out, you know, what it, what it really is to figure out what's out there, you know, what is, how is it, uh, what kind of, of life does it live? Whatever it is, is it, you know, does it live on the wind? Does it, does it reside in the ground? Does it reside in the trees? Is it some sort of, you know, it, it,

[01:18:24] would I like to see it again? If I could feel that same feeling that I felt back in the day, that comfortable around it, if I knew that's that one, and I wouldn't know within an instant, if I set foot on that property and I went back there and it showed itself, I would know in an instant if that's what it was again, because you know, the feeling that I would get and, you know, just, but yeah, I think, I think I would like to whatever go back there. I don't know. I mean,

[01:18:53] I have the opportunity at some point, but there's a lot of memories on that, you know, from having to leave from out there, you know, my mother, not grandmother, not being alone or being with us and, you know, kind of hard thinking about, you know, her being gone and that land out there and stuff. And, uh, but almost, uh, then in the other hand, it's almost like I don't want the disappointment of going out there and it not being there again, you know, if that makes any sense

[01:19:21] whatsoever. No, it makes, it makes sense to me. You know, it's almost like if I could feel that feeling again and, and, and, you know, and, and see this thing and feel that comfortable around it. And, uh, but you know, feeling that feeling again would be great, but not being able to feel it again or not be able to see it, I think would be a, would be kind of a disappointment on that,

[01:19:47] on that end. But, you know, it's, uh, now we talk about it. I mean, it is weird that I had some sort of, uh, I guess, relationship with this thing to where we just were aware of each other. And I guess we fell off of each other's energy. I guess you would call it because there was no communication, but it was, we obviously felt comfortable enough to be around each other, whatever it was, you know, it,

[01:20:12] I don't know if it's intentions with me were, were, were solely to observe me or to try to figure out what I am or what I do or my mannerisms, or if it was something that was watching over me or either, you know, just something curious, almost like a childlike curiosity or an animal being curious of you or something, you know? Yeah. But I, but I definitely, uh, definitely wouldn't have any desire to go back next to that old home place to feel that feeling again.

[01:20:42] No, I, I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't doubt that. I wouldn't want to do that either, but I don't know. I do believe that the, I don't know if, uh, the land itself out there, again, like I was saying earlier with like some, I don't want to say tainted, but like sometimes I think if you go to some of these places, it draws the energy from you too. I think that's why when people do these paranormal investigations, they sometimes feel sick

[01:21:11] or weak or something because that energy is like draining you. Yeah. I had, uh, I watched a couple of shows where they, uh, the investigators, you know, felt that or had that, that energy drain or, you know, and that's kinda, it reminded me of being around that place. It was kinda, it felt like the same way. Like it was just sucking all the happy

[01:21:36] right out of you. And it just, it just felt like it, like it was the most, like you had the roughest day ever. Like, you know, your best friend died or your dog passed. It's just felt so bad, but I mean, you can move 50 yards or a hundred yards and not feel it. I mean, it was just that quick of getting away from it. And it's almost like a four field around it. That's just, once you crossed it,

[01:22:03] it's just, it sucked it right out of you, man. It was horrible. Um, and, and I don't know if it was something that was, if you, you know, like I said, evil, demonic, or just a area that experienced some sort of trauma and had bad memory there, bad energy. But I do know there was something there. It was, um, some sort of spirit or some sort of, like I say, shapeshifter or mimic or shadow or,

[01:22:33] um, but the other thing was, you know, we keep saying cloak and it's, I guess this is what we'll have to classify it as, but it's almost, it's almost hard to comprehend, uh, some sort of terminology to figure out, to really tell you how it really looked. But, um, I guess cloaking would come the

[01:22:56] closest to it. Uh, like I said, it would be interesting to know if there was, you know, if this thing was the only one of its kind, or if there's other forms of it, other places. I mean, I guess there's got to be some sort. Um, but I guess, uh, overheard you, uh, speaking to, uh,

[01:23:24] Perinor Paul about, you know, this, um, some of the, you know, the, like the fae, the fairy folks. And, and I've also, uh, had listened to a podcast the other day and they were talking about these little short, small humans and they were, they said they'd look like they were native American, but just smaller. Um, you know, and, and I thought to myself, you know, well, it's not that, but,

[01:23:54] um, because there's, you know, they saw a figure there. They saw an actual smaller human being. This thing is just like a ball of energy or a mass of energy. It's just there. And it's just, and it's almost like every once in a while, if you watched it close enough and it get next to a tree or a bush behind it with it blocking out the bush and you'd be able to see, you could almost make

[01:24:22] out a curve or something, maybe of a head or a shoulder or something of that nature. But it was, you know, nothing to where ever to where I could really see its true form. Um, it was almost like a, a mass, if you will, standing there. Um, uh, I could never really tell how wide it was. All I know,

[01:24:47] it was about probably around five foot tall, maybe a little taller. Um, the last time I saw it when it was, you know, at the fence line and made those couple of two or three steps in front of me, the only reason why I knew it was there, because I couldn't see the posts and the fence behind it. Um, and it just come three or two or three, four steps and then stopped and then just darted out toward the

[01:25:15] right through the woods. And that was the last time I ever saw it. Um, and I don't know if, if something was, I don't know if it just, like I said, I was 15. I just got my permit. I had, you know, I drove the truck back there to it and I've driven the truck back there a million times and it wasn't the truck that it was scared of, but it just, it darted out to the woods and I never

[01:25:45] saw it again. Um, so it's, it's, you know, just a couple more years after that until I was um, 17, 18, you know, when I started going out and partying and doing things I shouldn't be doing and stuff that, you know, I just quit being back there in the woods on that part of the property. Um, a whole lot, but when I would go back there, I would never see it. I'd never feel that

[01:26:15] comfortable feeling either. That's just, um, but I spent my childhood walking around these woods with this thing watching me. And then this other thing, uh, uh, chasing me at times and making these noises and beating on gates and beating on fence posts. I think that was separate from whatever this was. Um, like I said, the, the cigarette smoke, you would smell and nobody be anywhere

[01:26:45] around. Our nearest neighbor was probably 200, 250 yards to the woods. Um, you know, um, and you would certainly see somebody with a spotlight out there if they, if they were out there, you know, anywhere around because of the pasture, um, it's pretty open until you get to the woods, which is a pretty good distance, you know, across there. But, um, it was all these things

[01:27:13] that were going on and happening. And just, that's why I say there was two different or might've been multiple different things out there, but it almost seemed like it was a, almost like a hotbed for activity. Now that I sit here and I think about it, um, just different things. Um, but only one that I knew of felt, you know, threatening, I guess you could say.

[01:27:38] And I don't know if it's the same thing that was in the house that night or that morning, the reflection in the mirror or what it was, but it's almost like I'd love to know if there was some sort of way to measure the energy in different port, you know, out there around that land to really see if there's, you know, that big of a spike in, in energy in, or some

[01:28:01] sort of measurable, um, you know, uh, electricity or frequency waves or something, you know, to see if there's actually something there. Right. Um, yeah. It'd be interesting to see. Um, but knowing that, uh, that there's that, that kind of activity when I was growing up

[01:28:23] and I could just imagine other places, uh, doing the same. Um, but it's, uh, I spent my whole life thinking about what that, what it, what it was and why it was there. And now I questioned it, you know, and I questioned myself as to what, but at the time I didn't,

[01:28:46] like I said, I got to where I was almost comfortable. It was there. Um, almost like it was, a friend of some sorts. Um, do you think this is like, you said you haven't had any sort

[01:29:07] of experiences since then really? Not at all. Uh, this is past the age of, uh, probably, I think it was 16. Uh, I've never experienced anything like that. You know, I've heard things out here in the woods behind where I live now, probably things that could be easily explained,

[01:29:32] but, um, not, not to the extent of what I, what I saw out there. Right. Um, you know, of course I live in a live inside little town here that I live in and we've got neighbors and, um, you know, there's, there's a lot more people around here. It's not as quiet as it, you know, of a place as it is out there. And it may be to where I just, you know, you can't hear

[01:29:58] things like you can out in the middle of the woods when there's no, no one around and, and, uh, not a whole lot of outside noise of the nature. Um, I'm starting to get a lot of outside noise here right now because it's starting to pour down rain and it's starting to beat through my roof. Right. Um, we've recently finally got some rain here. Um, not a whole lot, but we need a lot more cause it's been dry. Uh, our fishing,

[01:30:26] our fishing has been off because our, uh, our ponds and, uh, lakes and stuff have dropped several feet. But, um, we usually experience a dry spill in the middle of middle of the summer here, but this summer was, uh, unseasonably wet. Um, and we just hear lately in the past, probably three weeks, three or four weeks, it's gotten pretty dry. Uh, so the, uh, water level has dropped down and our fishing has suffered because of it. We haven't been hauling in as many as we usually do,

[01:30:55] but, uh, we definitely need a rain here as well. We, uh, we definitely don't need any more hurricanes or storms. I can promise you that. Right. Yeah, no, I totally get it. Well, we've been going on for almost an hour and a half. It doesn't seem like it's been that long, but absolutely not. Uh, is there anything else that you want to discuss or are you good with wrapping this one up for now? Um, you know,

[01:31:22] I feel like maybe this is, uh, we've gotten to a good point. Um, uh, like I said, I appreciate your time and, and, and your, and your podcast, your platform to let me put this out there. And I just hope maybe somebody else has experienced kind of the same thing I did. And, uh, almost, almost like, you know, it may not, if, if I ever knew that someone actually seen something and experienced

[01:31:50] something sort of like this, maybe it would make me feel like I'm not the only person in the world. Right. Uh, well, maybe like, I'm really not that crazy, but I know I saw what I saw and I know it's out there and, um, you know, it's, um, I guess it's something I'll, I'll, I'll never forget, but, um, I do, I mean, I appreciate you, uh, let me come on and, and vent on about him and vent on about

[01:32:16] these stores from my childhood, but no, it's out there. I appreciate you coming on here and talking to me about it, but what I was going to say, why I can still speak without the rain echoing too much in here. If anyone's had any sort of experience of something similar or saw something like what you did, I'm going to have them like, I'm saying it right now. So when they listen to the episode, they can email me and then I can let you know that, Hey, this person had had the same,

[01:32:45] it's all the same thing or something. If that, that's okay with you. Oh man. Just, yeah, I would love that. I just to, uh, you know, just, just to know that there's that whatever this thing was to, to maybe know that, you know, it's not, wasn't the only one, maybe there's others out there or, you know, just trying to figure out what it is. It's, uh,

[01:33:09] you know, out there and, and somebody, you know, it's been there. I'd love to hear it. I'd love for other folks about it and, and maybe, uh, maybe it would, you know, it would certainly be a step forward in trying to figure out things on my end. I can promise you that. Definitely. So anyone out there listening, you can send me an email and I will get you guys

[01:33:33] in contact with John and maybe you can converse amongst yourselves and try and figure out exactly what you guys saw. Absolutely. And I appreciate it. Uh, you know, um, uh, just, just a guy down here in the South, just trying to live life, but also trying to, uh, trying to figure out the past and

[01:33:58] things that are, that are out there. And, and like I said, it's just, uh, I'm appreciative of your platform and, and, uh, I like what you're doing and hopefully, uh, more people will be willing to come forward and share things that, uh, they know they've experienced, but you know, have not been able to, uh, not be able to really come out and say it because they haven't had the right audience or the right platform to do it. So I appreciate you, sir.

[01:34:25] I definitely appreciate you two for reaching out to me, but I think we can wrap this one up. So I want to say thanks to John for coming on here tonight and talking with me again, if you've seen something similar or experienced something similar, like he has make sure to reach out to me and I'll get you guys in contact, but thanks to John and thanks for listening. And that's our show. I

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