Ep. 282: The UFO Above Us

[00:00:00] And we made it back to the golf course around midnight. I heard something, I looked up and I said, Oh my God, there was a UFO directly above us. It just lowered down over top of us. It was about 15 feet off the ground, like 10 feet above my head. The outer rim was spinning right above us. And I said, run. Matt and I ran and we got about 20 feet away and we look back.

[00:00:29] Anthony standing underneath it, like right underneath the white light. There's a UFO right over your head. He's like, I don't see anything. And we're like, dude, run. What are you doing? Like, we got to get out of here, man. This thing's crazy. It was terrifying. It's like seeing a monster. And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was, I was done. I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:01:01] Anthony standing there. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. Anthony standing there. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red. Anthony standing there. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:01:31] Anthony standing there. To tell them that he saw a UFO, they're basically like, what are you talking about? That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose, and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death. Welcome to Tinfoil Tales. If you're a new listener, I want to say thanks for checking out the show and I hope you enjoy it.

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[00:03:47] But we are going to go ahead now and dive into the conversation with Ryan Rex. So remember to keep an open mind and I hope you enjoy it. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I'm your host, Brandon. Tonight we're joined by my guest, Ryan. Ryan, thanks for coming on here and talking with me. Hey, Brandon. Thank you for having me. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? Sure. My name is Ryan Rex. I go by plumber by day, author by night on the internet.

[00:04:16] I do have a conflicting lifestyle. I am a plumber and tradesman during the day. I took over my family's business. It's kind of a generational thing. I'm really proud of it. But I'm also an author, which is kind of a strange thing for a tradesman. Not a lot of us do that, which is disappointing. But here I am anyway. And I have a new book coming out in September, which is the third book in my American Dysfunction series. The new one is called The Prince of Death.

[00:04:45] Before we discuss the book and everything, like you said you're a plumber. Mm-hmm. How did you go from inheriting the family business to writing books about the dysfunction of America? Well, I didn't inherit the family business. I purchased it two years after my brother passed away. Okay. And I had to kind of borrow money to do it, which is the way most of us have to do it.

[00:05:15] You know, friends of mine who are also plumbers, all generational, you know, they might have gotten their businesses for nothing or less than I did. But I've had to work hard my entire life for everything I've ever gotten. So here I am. And you know what? I have this. I was raised in this family business. So I've been digging ditches with my dad since I was 12. And I don't want to call it indentured servitude because that's not right.

[00:05:44] My family, my parents got divorced and I don't think my dad knew what else to do with me, to be honest with you. So he just used to take me to work with him. And that's kind of how I grew up. So I guess hard work is something that's ingrained in me. So when I come home and sit on my couch, it's hard for me to sit still. So I ended up I ended up just sitting on my computer and writing for things to do.

[00:06:12] And I really, I really do love the craft of, of being an author. And it's something that satisfies me in a way that, you know, digging ditches and fixing plumbing fixtures, but it never could. So, so here I am. Now, as far as your books go, what led you to want to write the stories that you're writing? Um, so my parents got divorced when I was very young.

[00:06:41] Each of them were divorced multiple times. I have, I, my brother passed away and I have two sisters. There was four of us. Um, my sisters are fine. Everybody's good. But, you know, there was a lot of chaos in our family growing up, moving from house to house. I was in nine different schools before the seventh grade.

[00:07:02] Uh, when I finally settled with my dad when I was 12, you know, I see my mom on holidays and, you know, a birthday ever since it's, it's pretty much it. So I guess that absence after, you know, the, uh, I'll say a traumatic childhood with her mostly. And, and then with my dad, um, you know, he's a plumber and wasn't really a, an emotional guy.

[00:07:29] So, you know, a lot of, a lot of the, the, um, the dynamic between us is more like work friend related, which doesn't translate well to father and son relationship. If you kind of get my drift. So a lot of that kind of transpired into my writing. The very first book I wrote was about a kid from a, uh, you know, a plumbing family who, who had a rough childhood. You know, you can kind of see where this is going.

[00:07:57] Um, and he went to a four year tech school and wrote a hit song for a band. He was a struggling artist. And, uh, after he wrote the song for the band, they threw him out and he had to go home to his dad's plumbing business and listen to the song on the radio. That's more symbolic for me. But, uh, most of my first book, the ballot of Alex Walker was, uh, loosely based on my life, you know, just cranked up a few notches to make it more fun, I think.

[00:08:23] But, um, I didn't know I had a skill for writing until I went to a four year college in Pennsylvania, four year tech school. And we had writing enriched classes. And that's when I discovered that talent within myself. And I had some professors who pushed me, you know, I wrote some very personal papers and they pushed me to pursue that. And then I had a very nice therapist in my early twenties.

[00:08:51] Um, I was getting drunk a lot and getting into fights and I, you know, I reached, I had to reach out to, uh, to kind of grow up. I knew it was time. I didn't want to let go of college and all the, I want to say debauchery. And, uh, and that's when I, I started journaling. And as I started journaling, you know, what, what, what was one long paragraph that was pages long, eventually turned into a coherent storytelling.

[00:09:17] And, you know, that was back in 2002, 2003 and 2019, you know, 15 or so years later, I was able to, uh, have my first book published. Well, I finished my first manuscript in 2019. It didn't actually get published until 2023. And then the second one came out in 2025 and now the third one's coming out this year.

[00:09:42] So once I opened that door in my mind, I'll say it was like a release. Like I've been to therapy. I've studied martial arts. I've been, I boxed. I wrestled. I've done all kinds of things to, to challenge myself and to make myself a better person. Um, I'm also a Freemason for 25 years. Um, and that challenged me to be a better person.

[00:10:10] And I'll say there was nothing. I I've been in and out of therapy since I was 12 years old, but there's nothing that's been better for me personally than when I held my, my first book in my hand. Like that was, that was awesome. I gotta say, or even when I finished the manuscript for that, like, I just felt the weight lifted off my shoulders. And I just said, man, this is, this is what I like. This is, this is fun. And it's not, it's not really work. Like I, I just, I enjoy, you know, my, my plumbing businesses is, is my family's legacy.

[00:10:40] And I'm the last of, uh, my, the company's name is Rex and sons. I'm the last of the sons. You know, I take my kid, my, my son, who's 15 and my nephew, who's 19 to work sometimes, but it's just me and my niece answering the phone. And, uh, it's kind of a strange thing because I was never supposed to be the one who took over the business. I was always kind of like shoved aside and not, like not taken seriously, but ironically, I'm also the only one who graduated college and, you know, who's an author.

[00:11:10] So, you know, it's, it's a strange dynamic we have with, uh, with people in the trades, I gotta say, but I think there's a shift. There's a shift that's happening now. And I think people who are, you know, what want creative freedom in there or, or just even lives outside of work. I think that's more common these days where it's becoming more common among, among people who, uh, you know, plumbers or electricians or whatever.

[00:11:37] I think the trade skills, because that's kind of, I'm in the construction field. So, but we do, I oversee highway construction projects. So there's always going to be work for people in the trades. That's the good thing about having a job where there's always going to be a need. And I've tried to encourage my kids to look into stuff like that, but you know how that goes. Yeah.

[00:12:07] It's, I wasn't, I didn't encourage, I'm not encouraging my kids to do anything they don't want to do. Like when I was that age, I did not want to be a plumber. I just wanted to read comic books, watch movies and drink in the woods with my friends, which is totally different these days. My kids are so well behaved. Thankfully, my wife and I look at each other all the time. We're like, man, how do we do that? Because neither, you know, our, our whole generation was just like, we were hiding in the woods, drinking and smoking pot.

[00:12:34] We were like 13 years old and I'll get into my UFO story later. And, and you know, and that was, that was even a strange, like something that shouldn't have happened. And our kids are just, they're just good. Like, I'm so happy about it. You know, it's, it's very encouraging. And my son gets straight A's and his school district is actually pushing him and other kids like himself into, into tech school.

[00:13:00] And, and that's, that's very encouraging because that's something I always wanted because, you know, when I was in school, I wanted to be, I did want to be an artist. I, and there was a time when I was a senior, I did want to be a writer. I had some teachers who were encouraging me to get things published in like readers digest and whatever else.

[00:13:19] Cause I did, I did show signs of that, but I was so terribly poorly behaved that my high school didn't pay any attention to anything I had going for me other than, you know, being a skilled, being, being a plumber, like my dad, which I kind of took as an insult. I shouldn't, and I wish I wouldn't have as at this age, but I did because there was so, I came from a wealthy school district and I was like, you know, it was, I lived in the, I lived in a part of town. It was kind of like the ghetto.

[00:13:49] And, and I was, I, I really did fall in the cracks for a while and it was, it was kind of rough. So, you know, I, I, the only reason I pulled myself out of it was because I got into my tech school and I got up there and I kind of, and I started studying and focused. And that was, that was, that had the, that was another thing that had a great impact in my life. And, uh, and I even remember kids from high school were like, what are you wasting your time for? You're just going to flunk out. Like, what are you doing? Just go back and work for your dad.

[00:14:18] And that's the most ridiculous thing to say to somebody who was trying to get an education, but people are just nasty. People I consider friends, like they just, they're like, Oh, we're just joking. But I, I don't know. People are, people just, people just say whatever's on their mind. Cause they don't care. It's just human nature, I think. So you said you had a UFO experience. I sure did. Would you like to talk about that for a second?

[00:14:45] Yeah, I was 15 years old and we ate mushrooms that we found in a couch. And it was my friend's sister had a party on New Year's Eve and there was a drug dealer from town who was there. And the cops came and he hid his bag of mushrooms in the couch. And that was, you know, on New Year's Eve, we ate the mushrooms on, it was 1994 and we ate them on Memorial Day weekend. It was a Saturday before Memorial Day. Memorial Day is on Monday, of course. And my friend's like, Hey Ryan, you're, you're tough.

[00:15:14] Just put your hand down the couch. And there's a bag of mushrooms in there. So-and-so put them in there. Just pull it out and eat them. So I did. It was like a pull out sofa bed and it was like metal windings or whatever down there. And I did. And we sure we took them and another kid came over. It was Anthony, Matt and myself. And we went to the train tracks and we ate them. And, you know, I, I, I remember the feeling I've never really hallucinated. I don't see things.

[00:15:43] I just remember like, like the body buzz, you would call it. Like all my nerve endings kind of vibrating. And I guess it started when it was, it was, I guess it was around dinnertime, like five, six o'clock. And we wandered over the golf course to this town we used to hang out in and our friends used to get forties and drink on the train tracks, another set of train tracks and run from the cops.

[00:16:09] Well, by the time we got there, we were good and paranoid and running from the cops was not something we were interested in doing. So we hung out there for like an hour, I guess. This was almost around midnight. And, you know, some time it transpired. We were, you know, walking, doing whatever people eat mushrooms do. I don't know. I haven't really done things like that a lot in my life. I can count on, you know, probably one hand how many times I've done that or, or acid, but it was enough that I remember.

[00:16:35] And, um, we made it back to the golf course around midnight. We kept walking and it usually takes us about a half hour to get through the golf. It took us about a half hour to get through the golf course to my buddy, back to my buddy's house from this town. And as we were on the 18th hole, and I remember specifically where we were because I looked through the fence and you could see my middle school right through the fence. And, uh, my, the three of us were walking together. I don't know who was next to me or who was behind me, but we were kind of walking like triangular motion.

[00:17:05] You know, about arm's length apart, just, you know, kind of talking about whatever. Maybe we were singing a song. I don't know. And, um, I look, I heard something and I looked up and I said, oh my God, there was a UFO directly above us. And I froze because I felt panic. And my friend Matt looked up and he saw the same exact thing. And he said, oh my God. And it looked like two spinning. There was, there was one, it was, it was two pieces. The outer disc, it came down right over top of us.

[00:17:35] Didn't fly from the side or from behind or from the front. It just lowered down over top of us. It was about 15 feet off the ground, you know? And I'm a short guy. I'm like five foot five. So it was like 10 feet above my head. And the outer ring, there was like two rings. The inner ring was, was stationary and it had like a white light. It was directly over us. And then the outer ring had all these different lights. It looked like what I think now is led lights where a whole bunch of different colors forms one color. It was kind of like that.

[00:18:03] And it was the outer rim was spinning right above us. And I said, run, because I didn't know what else to do. So I was like, oh my God, it's a UFO. We got to get out of here. So Matt and I ran and we got about 20 feet away. And we look back and Anthony's standing underneath it, like right underneath the white light. And we're like, you got to run. Like there's a UFO right over your head. And he's like, I don't see anything. What are you talking about? You know, he's being really cocky about it. And we're like, dude, run, what are you doing? Like we got to get out of here, man. This thing's crazy. It was terrifying. It's like seeing a monster.

[00:18:33] I was 15 years old and I wasn't holding that night. I didn't see anything. And all of a sudden that happened. I was like, what? And Matt felt the same way. And finally, Anthony ran. He listened to the reason. He ran toward us. And then once we kind of, I guess, got close to each other again, we started running. And I look back and the thing had just disappeared. Vanished into thin air. And I made a MUFON report recently.

[00:19:00] And it took me since 1994 because it was ever, it was something I always just kept in the back of my head. I never really took seriously. And, you know, people who make, I guess growing up, people who claim to see UFOs and stuff were kind of ruined. Like people just were horrible to them. But now these days, you know, I started watching more documentaries and my family jokes about it because I have reincarnated dreams about aliens. So I've told them this story dozens of times and they know it.

[00:19:27] And, you know, the reoccurring dreams about aliens, I tell them about because, you know, they joke and they tease me. They're like, oh, daddy's friends with aliens. And it's funny. But the reoccurring dreams are kind of a pain in the ass. But anyway, I was watching a documentary last spring and I'm not going to say who it was about, but there were similar experiences to mine. And my wife's like, didn't you like have dreams about these different aliens that you're talking about? And a similar solar warden thing.

[00:19:55] And I'm like, yeah, yes, I kind of did. And I watched it twice, the documentary. And I reached out to the man who the documentary is about. And he's like, well, you know, a lot of the organizations out there are difficult and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, what about MUFON? Like, that seems legit. And I joined MUFON when my second book came out because the last chapter is about a guy who claimed to be an alien, but was just a like a kind of a rogue CIA agent who went crazy and wrote a manifesto.

[00:20:24] That's how I wrote it off at the end of that book. But I built upon that in the third book. But anyway, I came to the conclusion. I'm like, you know what? I think it's time for me to kind of talk to somebody about this to see if it was legit, see if it actually ever happened. Because two of us saw it and one of us didn't. And we were eating mushrooms at the time. So the books I've read, I know for a fact that the only people who were credible were

[00:20:52] like pilots and people were at the peak of like human performance and sound mind and body. And I'm like, they're not going to, nobody's going to believe me. But I reached out and the man who got back to me, he's really nice. His name is Jesse Peake. He's from my part of Pennsylvania. And he's really cool. And it's hard like talking about something like that for the first time. Like I put it in my books a little bit here and there to kind of build. But nobody ever knew like it was true because I never really talked about it.

[00:21:24] And when I was talking to Jesse, he's just like, well, he's like, the drugs aren't really an issue if you weren't hallucinating. He's like, just tell me the story. So I did. And he investigated it. And he got back to me. And he's just like, hey, you know, there was no storms that night. There was no reports of aircraft in the area. And, you know, it was, you know, it wasn't Memorial Day. It was, you know, I doubt there was fireworks. He didn't say that, but I'm saying it. And he's like, could have only been two things. It could have been a government craft or it could have been a real UFO.

[00:21:52] And I said, well, you know, that's kind of a definitive answer. And I think like, I just like, all right, maybe it did happen. So here we are. You know, I'm talking to you about it. I think a lot of people would be listening and they'd be like, well, he just hallucinated because he was on drugs. But I don't know what you're describing. I've heard other people describe it too. And it's almost like a gyrosphere.

[00:22:19] You know what I'm talking like where the things rotate around it? Yes, that's exactly what I saw. Something the outer ring was rotating around the inner portion. That sounds familiar to where some other people that I've heard before describe something. And this was back in 1994. So that was 32 years ago. We didn't have the drones.

[00:22:43] Like, I'm not saying there weren't drones like that, but we didn't have it as you and I had had the ability to have those. So if it was something like that, it would have had to been military. But even then, it's still kind of sketchy as to why that would have been there and where did it go? Well, there is a military base. There's a U.S. It's closed down now because of PFAS chemicals.

[00:23:08] But it's still active because there's a building where they do run drone missions out of it. And it's in a town called Willow Grove. It was Willow Grove Naval Air Base. It was a Navy Air Base. And I know the Navy has been connected to a lot of UFO things. So that kind of makes sense if it was a government craft. And I've heard from people that there is a classified building on that property that's still there. That's active, I think.

[00:23:36] And I was like, oh, well, that's probably a drone program. Well, the person who told me was like, no, the drone program isn't classified. So I was like, oh, well, that might be an explanation if it was a government craft and I did, in fact, see something. But I was so terrified and I was so young. And the fact that we were hallucinating, I'll say, because whatever, it is what it is.

[00:24:06] But I'll never forget the feeling of when Matt and I looked at each other and said, oh, my God, there's a UFO hovering right above our head. I don't know if hovering or spinning was the right word, but it was. And I don't remember being taken. I don't remember seeing any beings or anything like that. I just remember seeing the damn thing over our head and we just ran because, you know, what do you do when you're 15 years old besides like throw rocks at it or run? Like yell at it really loud.

[00:24:34] And, you know, there's nothing you can do because these are advanced beings and you're at their mercy. You know, if I'm having dreams about these beings and they're actually here in some form in another dimension or on a higher state of consciousness, what are you going to do about it? You know what I mean? Like it's just where we're just sheep at that point. And it's and it's OK to to be comfortable with that, because how what other explanation could you possibly have if something like that exists?

[00:25:00] You know, do you remember about how big it would have been? I do. It was about 30 feet wide. OK, I would say the inside was about 10 feet. And then it was like a perfect 10 feet on either side, the part that was spinning. So the inside was like a third of the size of the thing, the inside part that was stationary. Like that's how I remember seeing it. I've seen.

[00:25:28] Animated stuff and I've seen like CGI stuff and they use these devices as a. I can't think of the proper term, but like basically the one. One layer spins around, the other one goes in the opposite and it builds like this sort of energy ball and that's how it manages to move around. And I can't think of where I've seen this before, but I've spoken with someone when I first started the podcast. And they've seen something about the same size doing the same thing.

[00:25:57] So it's strange. And this would have been probably I think she said hers happened in the 80s. So 80s, maybe it was in the 90s. But still like the similarities between some of these instances that happen is kind of mind boggling because. There's certain certain time frames, the descriptions of what people are seeing. Changes. Changes. And.

[00:26:28] Like in the early 90s and everything, everyone was seeing like the triangles, the black triangles. And now it's. Become more like the orbs, you know what I mean? Like and before that, everyone was seeing flying saucers and. And it's strange how as the years go by. The descriptions of what people are seeing have also changed. And then I believe that was in the early 80s. People were seeing almost like these diamond shaped ones.

[00:26:56] So it's just strange like how over the years things have. Progressed, I guess. I don't know if that's the correct version of what I'm saying, but. Basically, as the years go by, the descriptions of what people are seeing has been changing periodically into these new shapes. I mean, it makes sense with the advancements in our technology, if they are government crafts, because, you know, when you look at UFO hotspots on a map, USA and Great Britain and.

[00:27:24] And the Democratic nations, I'll say, are the heaviest. Like it's just all red. And then the rest of the world, it's so sporadic. Like if it's just like they're reporting or if they don't have any any sort of, you know, if they don't care when people report or if they just don't. Or maybe it's just are, you know, these are, in fact, technologies that we recovered after World War Two. You know, did the Nazis have things like this?

[00:27:53] And was that part of Project Paperclip or whatever? You know, when those Nazi scientists came back? Because a lot of things change right after that. You know, and it's it's a very it's very straight. When was Roswell in 49? And and that's when they apparently found a craft. And then, you know, that was right after World War Two. And then the men in black and Cold War started and all these UFO reports were coming out and people were being gaslit.

[00:28:21] And the technology, like you said, the sightings changed and, you know, they would be consistent. And I'm thinking back to when, you know, I can agree with you in certain things that I've heard. You would know more than I do because you're more, you know, you interview people constantly. But it that's that's the only thing that makes me think that it's it's something it's something beyond our comprehension of the government's like keeping.

[00:28:49] Like if you listen to the congressmen and senators who are involved in the UFO or the UAP disclosure, they keep saying that if we all find out what it really is, like it would just turn the world upside down because of how messed up it is. Like when I hear things like that, I'm like, well, there's just so much going on that we don't understand. And should we understand it? Well, it sounds like we're going to we're not going to have a choice.

[00:29:14] And does does that does that mean we're going to be we're all going to be gaslit like like Project Blue Beam? I hope not. And that kind of gets me into my third book, which is about an alien disclosure. After another great flood, the government releases technology to get America back on its feet. And a lot of it was from the a lot of it started back. You know, the cover up started back in the Roswell crash. And that's where the technology came from.

[00:29:44] So I do believe that. Yeah. And they're they're releasing the government's releasing this UAP stuff right now, which is clearly a shiny object. But it's one that I really like. So I can I can kind of I can rally behind at least something something, you know, enlightening for a change and not just the horrible monotony of geopolitics. But I feel like a lot of the disclosure stuff has been not really interesting.

[00:30:11] I mean, in the sense that it's interesting in that they're finally talking about it. But a lot of the stuff that they've released is stuff that's been floating around on the Internet or been talked about by people like me and the people who listen to this stuff and are interested in stuff. They've known about a lot of this stuff for years. So it's nothing that's there's no dead body. You know what I mean? They're not presenting like here's the alien. This is Bill. And like we shake his hand like that's not. Yeah, I want to meet Bill, too.

[00:30:37] But I I do think that it's the same grainy videos. It's the same black and white, distorted things that we in pictures that we've been seeing forever. So you're right. It's nothing new or interesting. It's just more of the same. But something gave and they're loosening up. Maybe it's the Epstein files. I don't know. But it's something that sure is all distracting me. I can tell you that.

[00:31:03] But when you get in to, you know, there's there's some politicians right now and I don't really care to mention their names. But, you know, they're really getting into it. And it seems like they're they're now like they themselves are now admitting that they've seen things and that they can confirm. They can't tell us what it is, but they can confirm it, which is a lot more than we've gotten before, I think. I think it's interesting that there are certain politicians that do want disclosure.

[00:31:31] But I feel like the Pentagon and other upper echelons of government does not want full disclosure. So I think they're only doing a little trickle down stuff to keep people's just like just give them a little bit of a taste. But I still think a lot of it is such need to know basis that they don't want anyone knowing it because I think and I could be way off.

[00:31:58] But I feel like if they do recover these technologies, even if it's enemy stuff, even not saying it's from outer space. But like, let's just say that they got something from China. They're going to send it to their own people that can replicate it, try to see how they did it, try to make more advancements from what the other enemy is capable of. So I think what's going on is they may recover certain things and they're feeding it off to that military industrial complex.

[00:32:28] Like your big, I can't even think of the companies right off the bat, but like DARPA and everything. Like you're feeding it off into these different weapons creators to try and tap into this technology. Absolutely. Create these secret, and I don't want to call them airplanes, but I guess aircraft. And like Lockheed Martin's a big one around here. And there's other ones. I don't really care to drop their names either.

[00:32:56] But it seems like they're the reason, you know, because if, say, what was the, do you remember a report where somebody spent like $10,000 on a hammer or something like that? When all this government spending, all this money disappeared. It might have been right after the Iraqi war, they were uncovering all this frivolous spending by the government. And they couldn't figure out where all these billions and billions of dollars went because back then that was a lot of money. Now we're talking trillions of dollars.

[00:33:27] But, you know, for things like that, has there always been a secret space program? Did, you know, did President Trump create Space Force to kind of loosen up that conversation? I don't really, you know, I'm not, I don't really care to talk about politics. Whoever's your favorite politician, awesome. And we're all Americans first and friends and family second. Yeah. And then down the list, like 10, 11, 12, we could talk about politics. But that's where I am as a person, you know, an American.

[00:33:57] But, you know, I just think we got to stick together. And I think a lot of that just is meant to drive us apart. It is. You know, to stop conversations from happening that are good and healthy for us. I can't stand when someone's entire personality is like politically based. Like, man, that's just a, that's a shitty life to have that your entire existence is wrapped around some political nonsense. It sure is.

[00:34:27] And, you know, we have, we have friends who are on both sides and, and, and they, you know, I've, I, I was, I was a committee member here in my township for a while. And, and there were people on one side who just wanted to put friends and family out the pasture who disagreed with them. I'm like, where are we? Like, who, what are we doing here? I just don't get it. Like, you're talking about like your, your cousin and, and your, you know, your brother-in-law. Like, what do you, what are you doing?

[00:34:56] It's just so many more important things to life than these people who don't care about us and will never meet us. You know, good luck trying to send them an email. I mean, oh my God. You know? Yeah. It's, it's ridiculous, but that's neither here nor there. I, I, I tend to try and stay off the political spectrum when it comes to this show.

[00:35:17] I have another show that we talk about certain things that's more politically based, but I think the audience knows my take on the matter is I don't like either side. I, I think the whole thing's just the two sides of the same bird. I just like listening to people, you know, people just want to be heard and everybody's fighting for their own little slice of the pie. So it's like, we're all kind of doing the same thing just in very different ways.

[00:35:47] That's, that's just how I feel. But anyway, back to UFOs, which is way more fun. Do you think that this disclosure, do you think they're going to have anything that not so much be like the body or whatever, but do you think they're going to release anything? That's interesting to the fact that it could allude that there are more life out there. Like we've gotten something.

[00:36:10] Cause again, the way it's being spun is we don't know what this is, but they're not 100% saying it's anything from a different planet or like that, but they're just saying they don't know. You think they actually will ever say that they have recovered something that's not from this earth? I, I don't know what it would take for them to do that. You know what I mean?

[00:36:32] Like, I feel like something would, something, something major would have to happen for them to get to the point where they're ready to let go of that power over us. Like the military industrial complex, you know, including all those private companies that build the aircrafts and build the tanks and build, you know, maybe the, the experimental aircraft that I could have saw back in 1994. I have, you know, I, I, what could possibly happen?

[00:37:00] I feel like it would be a knee jerk reaction just to either cover up for something else or to, to, to appease the population who, who might, you know, who, who might, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to say that there's something horrible that we could do to each other because I don't want to believe that would happen to us.

[00:37:22] But I, I feel like it would have to be something made like not something devastating in our country to just let them, to just let them have at it and tell us what's really going on. I, and I, I do think it would have to come to that. So I don't think hopefully we don't get to that point. So my opinion is we probably won't get any good stuff. I've talked to people before, not like recorded or anything, but like we've, I've had conversation with people I've worked with and friends or whatever.

[00:37:50] And we were big on video games growing up, obviously like Halo was a big thing. And the new one just, I say new, but like the 25th anniversary edition, like they completely remade the original Halo and it just now it's available on PlayStation and everything. Well, I've been considering getting it because I nostalgically remember playing it when I first got an Xbox 25 years ago.

[00:38:20] But we talked then about how cool it would be to run around and like shooting aliens and everything. But as I've gotten older and more wiser to things, that's not anything you would really want. Cause if they have the technology and capabilities to actually make it to earth, they're most likely not going to be doing ground fighting between us and them. You know what I mean? Like their technology would pretty much just wipe us out. I think so. But is there something worse going on?

[00:38:48] Like, I don't know if the video of Putin saying the vampire's ball is coming to an end after 200 years, but is it like going back to the Epstein files? And like, is it really something more like diabolical that's happening that, you know, is our people just here for some other beings, entertainment or amusement or nourishment?

[00:39:10] Like, I don't know what any of that is and I don't want it to be true, but if it's something like that and those beings are beyond our comprehension, then there's like, there's nothing we could do. We just live our lives and maybe it won't eat us. I don't know. I don't know how else to think about it, but I mean, the movie they live with Roddy Piper where he put on those damn glasses and he started seeing things.

[00:39:37] Could that be kind of like what we experienced on a daily basis? It's a soft disclosure. Yeah. I mean, I'll call them the others, right? The others who live among us. That's what I call them in my book anyway. And they don't want to be known, but they give us things every once in a while to move us forward. And they admittedly do so. And they also, you know, if they don't want to be seen, they won't be seen. And you won't know who's who.

[00:40:04] I kind of believe that, you know, and I just hope it's not what I think it is. But if you there, I mean, it's like the ancient Greek gods. Some of them are good. Some of them are bad. Maybe they live, maybe they live among us or maybe they live on non Olympus. I don't know, you know, have they always walked among us and they still do? Are they thousands of years old? I don't know who the hell these things are or what people are or beings they are. But that something like that could very well be possible.

[00:40:33] You know, if it's if the government, if government people who know about are saying it's something that we can't we can't possibly imagine. And what would disrupt humanity, then maybe it is something like that, you know. So I don't want to butcher it, but is it sons of Belial? Is that how it's pronounced? Sons of Belial is the way I pronounced it. And it's Baal for sure, like Baal of Hay. And I spin it.

[00:41:03] I spin it in a complete opposite way as the Bible did. You know, the Bible spins Baal as, you know, sons of Belial is the followers of demons or Satan. And I make the Bible written by the Anunnaki. And I allude to it. I don't go through that exact thing. But and the Anunnaki genetically engineered humans to mine gold to repair their ship that crash landed on this planet.

[00:41:30] And they couldn't do so without shape shifting technology. So they brought the Shuggoth to Earth. If you've ever heard of the Shuggoth, that's a Lovecraftian reference, which is actually kind of from the thing at the Mountains of Madness. And the Shuggoth got here and they, you know, they searched the Earth for all living beings. And what came out, what they transformed into is neither male nor female, nor plant or animal, insect.

[00:42:00] And not Anunnaki, but something in between, which is very unsettling to the Anunnaki eyes. So I guess it was Thoth who was the Anunnaki leader in my story. He described his ideal lemming to the Shuggoth leader, Belil. And they would be much smaller than the Anunnaki. And they would have plain faces that could be painted for identification.

[00:42:28] And Belil turned into this thing. And once he did, they harnessed his DNA and they created the first successful hybrids. Because the Anunnaki were trying to make hybrids of themselves with the animals of this planet when they arrived here. And they couldn't do it because the animals kept inbreeding and cannibalizing themselves and rebelling. And they were uncontrollable until the Shuggoth got here and merged their DNA. Like they would shift.

[00:42:57] And then when they would shift, their DNA could be harnessed and used the way the Anunnaki wanted to. And throughout the story, not to give too much away about my own story, but I do like talking about it. Because this is like my own mythology that I created here based off my favorite stories of legends that were told. And the Anunnaki said, you know, we are way ahead of schedule.

[00:43:19] And the Lemmings, who follow blindly to the Law of One, which was created by the Anunnaki to control the Lemmings. They only became humans. They started calling themselves humans when they learned to rebel against the Law of One. And they wanted free will and they don't want to be slaves anymore.

[00:43:45] So the Anunnaki, once their ship is ready to leave, Belio and his followers of the Shuggoth, they say, wait a minute. If you guys start your ship, the earth is going to rattle into pieces and all of our children are going to be dead. The children being the Lemmings. And the Anunnaki says, we don't care. This was meant to be. This is why we created these beings.

[00:44:12] And Belio and his followers would be Adam and would be other beings from ancient stories like Lilith and Adam and Eve. And I merged them all together that really interested me in telling the story. And they put free will into people and they helped them. They helped them fight the Anunnaki.

[00:44:39] And then these stories are told through the church of how Belio is the devil and how he created him and Pan. I forgot to tell you. Pan's one of my favorite characters. He's Belio's best friend. And Pan from Greek legend, half goat, half man. It was his favorite hybrid. So he kept that shape throughout the whole story. And he actually makes a surprise appearance in my second book.

[00:45:07] It's a little vulgar in my second book, but I think it's fun. And Belio and Pan are in this together. And they really work to try and save the planet from the Anunnaki. And I flash forward centuries and centuries. And I flash forward to a little bit of the time of Jesus and a little bit of the Knights Templar when they discover the Holy Grail. So I really bring these stories together in what I think is a fun way.

[00:45:34] And also kind of constructed because we don't know who wrote the Bible. And a lot of people who are demonized in the Bible were thinking about it. And I am a Christian. I'm a Freemason. But that doesn't mean that I follow our doctrine blindly. And I don't know. That was a book that was written 2,000 years ago by people who hated the Romans. And then it was adopted by the church, which was Rome in the 400s, 4th century.

[00:46:02] And the Holy Roman Empire took over the world. So it's kind of a story that needs to be explored, I think, and just not follow blindly. You can still believe in what you believe. And the teachings of Jesus Christ are absolutely great. Love people. Don't hurt them. But they've also been used to slaughter countless people throughout the ages. So we've really got to take a look at this seriously and say to ourselves,

[00:46:31] who are these people that are telling us that they know the path to heaven? When I can just kind of kneel down in nature and pray whenever I want. I think, and this is just me sitting out here just thinking about what you're talking about. It gives me more thoughts and everything. But the Anunnaki, like the descriptions that were made from the ancient Sumerians, like they depicted them as almost like giants. But some of them had like the wings or whatever, right?

[00:47:00] Almost like bird type wings. Well, what does the modern depiction of an angel look like? The same thing. It's like a humanoid with wings. Now, obviously, like the Bible didn't describe them as that. Like they were a bunch of eyeballs and all sorts of weird stuff. But the mentioning of the animals, the breeding and stuff. What does the Egyptians have on some of their hyalurps?

[00:47:26] Like they have the head of animals on like human forms or whatever. There's a lot of similarities between the ancient people's descriptions of stuff that all aligns up around the world. And it makes me wonder, like a lot of the stuff was written, like the Egyptians obviously were there. So maybe that's what influenced some of the biblical stuff. But again, even like the Sumerians, is that what influenced some of the Egyptian lore?

[00:47:52] Or like did they all like borrow from passed down stories or were they actually something that they all witnessed at one point? And they're all describing the same exact species, the same exact things that they interacted with. So they come from the heavens. So obviously they're angels. Well, the Anunnaki were from space. The Hopi Indians say the people come from space. And like it's the same story. It's just told by different cultures and it's a different understanding and interpretation. But I think they're all describing the same thing.

[00:48:23] They really are. And even the flood myth. I mean, how can all these different cultures from all around the world have a flood myth from the same time period between 10,000 years ago to 30,000 years ago? It's, you know, and I feel like India probably has the most that align with things like that. But I think they keep their stories like kind of private. Because I feel like, you know, they've had enough problems with people invading themselves.

[00:48:52] So if they let, you know, if they let those old tales out, as would like China or Japan, like if we, you know, I want to travel overseas more. And I kind of want to, I want to go to those places. I want to listen to people, like especially like people in the temples talk. Because you're going to, if you do, you're going to hear great things that you would never hear on the Internet. Because those people don't care to spread their, you know, their stories on the Internet. They just live their lives and they believe what they believe. And, you know, hopefully they live, you know, they treat people well. I don't know.

[00:49:22] I mean, there's billions of people over there. I can't imagine all of them are great. And I can't imagine all the people in our history books are great. But, you know, that's what we're told. So it is what it is. But, you know, there's just all these stories that align specifically with that time period. You know, you listen to Graham Hancock or Randall Carlson talk and they're all about the, you know, the time that man forgot. Right around when the Earth had a reset, I guess.

[00:49:49] I guess it would have been about the time of the last ice age, right? About 15,000, 20,000 years ago, something like that. 25,000 years ago. And then the pyramids, you know, they say the pyramids are 5,000 years old, but they have water erosion on them, which predates, you know, I guess it would predate 10,000, 15,000 years ago if it had water damage, maybe 30, which is still in that time.

[00:50:12] You know, and then there's the eye of the Sahara, which you can see from space. And you're not allowed to excavate that site, which if you look at it and you hear about the stories of Atlantis from, you know, from, who the hell wrote it? Was it Plato? I don't know. But they match the description. There was ancient tellings of the stories, whether they were songs that were put into, you know, long form poetry or whatever happened.

[00:50:42] But I personally haven't read it, but I do love the stories of Atlantis. And I heavily talk about, you know, Atlantean legend in my book. But, you know, who wrote it originally? I don't really. It doesn't matter because it's my own interpretation based on things that, you know, that I've studied. I should go beyond that.

[00:51:03] But, you know, I just I firmly believe that, you know, we're I don't want to say that we're in a time of reset now, but we're definitely in a time of rebirth right now as people. Like because there's so much there's so much information that we're just being bombarded with day in and day out. Like it's unlike any other time in history. And that's maybe that's the thing that's going to give that I was talking about earlier.

[00:51:26] And, you know, if AI all of a sudden just kind of takes over commerce and God knows what else education like we might like that might be the time when we learn all this stuff. But we're also comfortable with it because, you know, maybe at that point things won't be as violent. I don't know because we're moving so fast. It's like it's hard to even make assumptions about what's going to happen 10 years from now.

[00:51:55] Do you think that a lot of the flood stories all come from the same time frame because that's when the ice age itself was like going away? So everything the water was rising and causing floods. But what came first, the flood of the ice? You know what I mean? Like did the polar did the did the earth's magnetism shift?

[00:52:18] Then the ice ice caps melted and and flooded the earth and then reformed on the new north and south when the earth shifted. You know, is that a possibility? Like what created the ice age in the first place? Right. What what what created the ice age in the first place? Was it was it something that hit the earth that that, you know, and and and block the sun? I have no idea. Or was it an ice age, you know, or did the ice caps just there were ice caps just like there are now,

[00:52:47] but they were on the opposite ends of the earth and they just melted all of a sudden. Or was it something else? Is there a water layer that's insulating the earth's core and somehow that got released to the surface? You know, I kind of put that in my story when you don't knock you start their ship. It creates fissures in the earth. And from those fissures, the water layer from the the from around the core bubbles up to the earth and floods everything. You know, could have been something like that. Yeah, I don't know. But that's that's the angle I took of my story.

[00:53:14] And, you know, but what you know, what could have really happened? I'm sure it was something way more scientific than, you know, some asshole starting a ship and causing a cataclysm. But I have always wondered where. Like, obviously, they they have these the technology and the scientific research to say that, oh, this was the ice age and they know how people traveled and we crossed these things. One of the things I've always been curious about is.

[00:53:45] We talk right now and it's not been a big thing here in the last two years or whatever, but a big part of society, you always hear about global warming. Well, clearly, there was some sort of global warming before humans had anything to do with it, because if there really was an ice age, what caused the polar caps to melt and the ice to rescind? And now we all have heat. You know what I mean? Like, sure, this is before we had any sort of carbon footprint on the Earth.

[00:54:15] Like we were literally still. Just evolving. So what caused the ice age is to rescind. But now we're worried about temperatures rising. Well, they've been rising, obviously, for thousands of years. They have. And during the time of the dinosaurs, I mean, apparently it was very hot on all livable land, which may have been Pangaea back then. And I can't.

[00:54:44] And then there was apparently two million years where it just rained on Earth constantly. You know, so how many changes has the Earth gone through and how old is it? Your guess is as good as mine. But, you know, in terms of global warming and climate change, that's all bullshit just meant to divide us. But I do believe we could. I do believe we could pollute less. Like, I really do. Like, I just said that's my that's my thing. I think we can all be more more responsible with with the things that we do and how we live our lives.

[00:55:13] But that's just my personal preference. So, you know, I just hope more people kind of do the same for whatever. Poisoning ourselves with water and air is not in our best interest. Right. You know, because I don't know the Earth can filter it out without getting rid of us. You know, the Earth does filter it out. But, you know, we have PFAS chemicals around here that shut down air bases and a lot of people get sick and a lot of people have been getting sick, including people I know. And it's sad because it got into the aquifer.

[00:55:42] And, you know, they for for years, decades, they couldn't get it out because they didn't know it was there, didn't admit it was there. So, you know, that stuff's real. But in terms of global warming and climate change, I I lived my life as a green enthusiast for a long time. And and as I got deeper and deeper and I worked for engineering companies and construction companies doing these jobs and it became it became a product driven market.

[00:56:11] And I was so disappointed. I was like, man, these engineering studies and these guys building these cool things and it all kind of fell by the wayside just to buy more crap. And that's that's kind of how it went. You know, I do have solar panels in my house. And, you know, I told you I was on a committee to my township. I was chairman of the environmental advisory committee. And, you know, we did some cool stuff together. And that was that was fun.

[00:56:35] But I, you know, I haven't become disheartened by things, but I'm just I'm taking a break for a little while because there's too many. There's too much goddamn politics in our country right now to to kind of ignore. So I'm taking a seat and preserving my sanity in that way. So I enjoy talking about UAPs and writing books and being a plumber a lot more about all the other stuff that I could talk about instead.

[00:57:06] So your book, you said this is the third one in the series. Where can everyone find all of the books at? Like what was the first one that they need to check into before the follow the story? So they are independent stories within the same universe. And I follow different characters that are connected through, you know, a degree or two of separation. So they can I wrote the book so you could pick up anyone in the series and and and read them out of order if you wanted to.

[00:57:36] So the first technically the first book is American Dysfunction, The Ballad of Alex Walker, which is available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble. And, you know, you walk into a bookstore and you ask for it, they can get it for you. I can't guarantee to be on the shelf, but you can order from any bookstore. The same with the second book, American Dysfunction, The Adventures of Scott. Now, that sounds like a children's book, but it's not. It's about a pro wrestler who robs a bank and he is Alex Walker's uncle from the first book.

[00:58:04] So the stories, Scott is in the first five chapters of The Ballad of Alex Walker. And then he leaves the book and goes off on his own adventure, The Adventures of Scott. That's also available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. The second book was a little I didn't get as much reception. I didn't get as much positive reception on it just because as soon as people hear professional wrestlers, they're like, what the fff? Really? Like, you know, and they're not.

[00:58:32] I write what I call blue collar novels. And I say that about professional wrestling because they're kind of the blue collar workers of all pro athletes. Like, if you ask a basketball player or baseball player about pro wrestling, they'll roll their eyes and be like, oh, my God. Don't even say that. I've heard basketball players and basketball coaches and announcers say that before. And it sucks because pro wrestlers are tough and they put themselves to hell, man. Maybe they don't actually punch each other in the face, but getting thrown around that mat and landing on your head.

[00:59:02] Like, God damn it. That looks so painful. And they get up and they smile and entertain us and they're big and they're silly. And they put on a hell of a show and they deserve more credit than I think they get. But I met Eric Bischoff, who is a big, big guy. He created the NWO. Right. If you remember that. And I told him about my book and he's like, you know, it's really cool. He's like, that's something different that no one else is doing.

[00:59:27] He's like, you can just tell a story about a wrestling promotion, whether drama and sex and drugs. Like, of course, there is that in my book. But like, I evolve these characters like outside the ring. Like the whole wrestling thing is just the first act of the book. And then they evolve into these, you know, into their lives and their lives get more complicated as they reach success or failure, depending on their story trajectory.

[00:59:50] Which I thought was fun because when I was a kid and I was home and my stepdad was beating on my mom in front of me and my dad was not there. And, you know, I used to cry by myself and hide in a corner. Hulk Hogan came out in, you know, in 1983 or 82, whatever it was in Rocky III. And then the Hulkamania came out and I was sold, man. Like he was the hero I knew in my living room and I had him in my living room twice a week.

[01:00:18] And I was happy every time I saw him. So, like, having those feelings as an adult and thinking about, you know, the Hulk Hogan in, you know, of recent years before he passed. And, you know, just the traumatic injuries he suffered from and the divorces and the money and all that stuff. And it's like, holy shit, man. And it's like, you know, you see this man who's larger than life when you're a child. And, you know, he's the hero you need in your own life.

[01:00:48] And then as you grow up, you realize he's just a human being like you and I. And that's a lot of what made me write the story. But it was my – it was honestly – I don't want to say it was my favorite book of the three, but it was the most fun for me to write. And it just – it didn't get a whole lot of hype, unfortunately. But the third one is coming out, which takes place in the 2050s after another flood.

[01:01:14] And humans – or we discover plasma engines. So all, you know, all carbon-based fuels, they fall by the wayside. And people start drilling into the earth for plasma. They start drilling into volcanoes for plasma for these engines. And they cause a cataclysm based on greed and, you know, and overusage and whatever.

[01:01:40] So after this flood happens, you know, they're – in my book, I don't needlessly kill people. I just – they have warning. They get inland. They get on boats. You know, some people refuse to leave. So that's a problem for them in the book. But, you know, most people – the coastal lines of earth change in my third book, American Dysfunction, The Prince of Death. And that's a big part of it.

[01:02:04] And after the flood, then the government releases these suppressed technologies to get the country back on its feet, one of which is a Jetson, which is kind of the UFO that I described to you earlier, which I put at the end of my second book where the – in The Adventures of Scott, where the CIA agent who facilitates this bank robbery that they do, he goes crazy at the end and he claims to be an alien in a skin suit.

[01:02:34] And they gaslight him and throw him – you know, they lock him up and throw away the key. But his story makes it to the public via this therapist who tries to dissect his stories and makes sense out of them. And he describes the shit – he was a Vietnam vet. His name was Bob. That's just all I call him because that's the best code name ever. His name is Bob, and he was a survivor of Hamburger Hill.

[01:03:00] And in the book, what was on top of Hamburger Hill was one of these ships, the exact thing that I saw when I was 15. And he was tasked with driving it back to the U.S. and then using it to recruit young at-risk youth for a solo warden program. So that's the end of my second book. And they discredited him and this and that. And then in the third book, when the government releases these technologies,

[01:03:29] this craft that Bob described that Alex Walker saw when he was eating mushrooms in the first book is now becoming more a part of the story that they call it the Jetson. It's shrunken, but it's basically the same craft that people get in. It's a six-passenger vehicle, and it can go from the Caribbean to Chicago in less than 30 minutes. It's, you know, it's just – and that's just one of the technologies that I use.

[01:03:58] Another one is nanobots people can use to fight cancer. And there's others – there's a technology that they use. It's like a little pad they put behind their ear, and you can hear any language in your own. It sounds kind of like if you're watching an old movie, like an old – you know, you'd watch – I used to watch the old samurai movies on Saturday afternoons, and they would talk, and their mouths would keep moving, but you would hear the English. Yeah.

[01:04:25] That's kind of like what the characters describe in the book as, you know, when they have one of those translator pads. And one of the biggest things is the cell phone technology. It turns into a little crystal that people hold in their hands, and as they rub it between their fingers, it absorbs their essence, and it can transfer calls directly to your ear. And if you think about something, it'll pop up on a hollow table, and you can look at the hologram, like as you're thinking about it and spinning around.

[01:04:54] You can watch the news on these holograms. I call them the dailies, or you can watch old shows on the nightlies. So I do get into, like, things in the 2050s, but, you know, hopefully I'll be around then, and I can look back and say, yeah, maybe I got a couple of them right. You know, but that'll also be – that'll be out – my new book, my third book is coming out in September, and that'll be available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and I'm going to be heavily promoting it here pretty soon because it's exciting.

[01:05:23] And it's probably the most well-written one that I've done, I would say. I'm really proud of it because the first two, you know, I used – I just kind of went for it, man. Like, the characters just dropped F-bombs and screwed each other constantly, and, like, they were a little vulgar, but they were fun, and, you know, they were a little much for people. I've been told they were steamy and spicy. Even a new one's a little spicy. One of my copy editors, you know, this – you know, she's just –

[01:05:53] she's a nice lady, and she liked it, but, you know, got her going a little bit. And because, I don't know, just people are just with each other, blah, blah, blah. You know, I didn't write romance novels, but they're just people living their lives and hoking up with each other, so it is what it is. But I did enjoy how this one's more PG-13 rated. Like, I feel like I kind of grew up a little bit as I wrote this book, and it's a much more – there's a lot of subtleties.

[01:06:21] There's a lot of subtext, which I hope people pick up on, but I really – I enjoy writing in that way. So I think my – you know, the book after this is probably going to be along those lines too. Like, I think I'm more of a PG-13 guy as opposed to a rated R guy at this point. And I think – I hope people enjoy that. It might make it a little bit more accessible for some of the younger readers out there too. I do. I think so too.

[01:06:47] And if I have a chance to go back and make the first two PG-13, I might do that because I enjoy that about my writing style now more than I did before. Like, I was really proud of, like, just kind of going balls to the walls and just writing as these characters. I think that they would act in real life, but it doesn't always need to be that way. Like, the subtleties are important too. You know, I think that's where I am.

[01:07:10] I've been working on a story on and off for the last seven, eight months. And I get like a burr up my ass to write a little bit. So I'll write for a little while and I just kind of shelf it. Like, put it over there and I'll come back to it. But that way I feel like I can go back to see what I've already wrote. And then if I don't like things, I can share and I get different ideas. But my biggest thing when I'm writing is when I do the dialogue,

[01:07:42] I write it in the sense that I know how some people talk. And a lot of people drop curse words. And I don't know if that'll rub people the wrong way, but I try and write authentically of how I've been exposed to a lot. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's hard for me to come up with dialogue that doesn't sound cheesy, but it like, I also am writing it in the way that I know how people actually speak.

[01:08:10] Because a lot of things, I feel like some things are written. It doesn't feel natural. So I'm writing things to where I think it's natural, but it might not be natural to someone else. So I feel like if you read it out loud to yourself and you hear how it sounds, you might be more motivated to change it in certain ways. But in terms of like cursing, I just dropped the F-bomb.

[01:08:39] And I think it's how I use the F-word that makes it so vulgar, especially if it's used in sexual context. Like that's when people are like really, like you could say it, but if you say it in certain contexts, it's far worse for them, which is kind of ridiculous because it's the same word, but it's context that matters. And that's how people interpret it. So if reading it out loud, I would say a few times would definitely,

[01:09:08] you know, give you a different perspective, I think. Right now, the story that I'm writing, it'll eventually time shift, but it's set in the late 90s, which is like the era of me in high school. Oh yeah, you know her same age. So the dialogue is how I remember we talked and what we talked about.

[01:09:35] So the characters that are in this are guys and they're making references. Like now, obviously some of the stuff that was said back then, kids today probably don't say it nowadays. That's what I'm saying. Like, but you have to understand the context of when this was taking place. So when you were busting people's balls back then, you called them certain names or you called certain things or whatever. And like, that was what was done. So I don't know if people are going to read and be like, well, listen, I don't like that.

[01:10:02] Like, but that's how I remember things happening because I'm writing based off of what I remember. Well, when I told you earlier that my dad used to talk to me, like I was a guy at work, like that's how he would talk to me. Like he would call me all those names and, you know, pussy, faggot, this and that. And for 20 years, I don't think he called me by my name. And, you know, my brother too. The two of them together were, were an absolute nightmare for me. You know, they claim it's cause I don't have a sense of humor and everyone like joking.

[01:10:31] But the reality is it's like, yo man, like, you know, I don't know that you guys ever told me you love me or appreciated me. Like, I only remember you telling me that I was, you know, weak or insignificant or a sissy for going to college. And, you know, I was only going to college to help our business. So it's like that dynamic, I think it's shifting a lot, especially with the kids. You know, I told you the kids who are getting good grades being pushed into the trades, but that's not our conversation.

[01:10:58] It's just that that dynamic back then was so different. There were such like their hazing was, was way more appreciated. Appreciated, I'll say like, that's just the way the people we talk to each other. So we all treat each other like that. Like if my dad and my brother talked to me like that, I probably talked to all my friends that way too. Like I didn't appreciate that about them, but I'm sure if I went out to a party, we were all speaking to each other that way. So it's like, I don't,

[01:11:27] I don't know if I was wrong for doing that or if they were wrong for doing that, or if we were all just products of the same environment, you know? And if you're telling your story that way, I would highly recommend just, if it's a period piece, just keep it that way. You know? Like I'm just writing it the way I write it. And if people like it, they can like it. If they don't like it, then they don't have to like it. Yeah. I mean, if you write for enjoyment, you know, that's what I do. And, you know, it just,

[01:11:53] if it turns into a coherent story and it turns into a full manuscript and awesome, dude. Like that's, that's like, it's, it's about the journey, you know? You know, writing books doesn't pay the bills for me. I'm not Dan Brown and chances are most people won't become him. You know, if, if, if a book like mine gets picked up by Hollywood, there's a 1% chance that could happen. So I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm just doing this cause I love it. Like I could write books for the rest of my life and I would, it would,

[01:12:21] it would never feel like work, but I do have to pay my bills. So I, I do, I do my tradesman work, but I think it says, you know, it's, it's nice to have a life outside of work that isn't, you know, related to your job and, you know, doesn't include going to the bar and, you know, or, or getting high and, you know, we're doing, we're doing constructive things with our time that other people enjoy and, and it's a positive thing. So I can't see,

[01:12:50] I can't see how there could be anything wrong with it, you know? Right. I've been, it's, I just looked at the last time I'd written and it was about two months ago. I was like, I've, I've given it enough time to where I can go back and look through it, see what I might want to fix. But then I need to, I already have the whole story for the most part mapped out of how I want it to go. It's just a matter of writing it to get there.

[01:13:19] So like I have the actual plot line figured out. It's just a matter of how to get writing out all of the scenes all the way up to the ending. So you're doing it the correct way. That's the way you would learn how to do it. If you went to school and studied literature or creative writing, I do it the way you're not supposed to do it. Like I've made every mistake. You're not supposed to do like,

[01:13:44] they tell you new writers typically write their characters in like looking in the mirror, which is very telling because when you tell, when you become a writer, you feel seen so to speak. The very first paragraph of my first book, I do that exact thing, man. And I don't even care. I have him listening to a song in the background. It's no doubt. It's one of no doubt songs. And, and I just go for it. Like he's shaving and he steps on the shaving cream and rubs it into the rug. And,

[01:14:14] you know, he gets out his clothes and he gets ready for the party. And that's the first 18 pages of my first book are intense. I just dive right in. And, you know, and, and I just, I go for it. But so the way I write is I, I have an idea for a chapter, a character. And I write from the perspective of that character. And I say, who does, who does he date? Who are his friends? How does, what does he wear? What is it like? What kind of music does he like?

[01:14:42] And I start writing and I'm like, who, you know, okay. So he dates. So, let me write a chapter about so-and-so. And I write about, you know, Gina was, was Alex's, was Alex's lost love in the first book. And that's kind of what sets him off on his adventure. You know, he gets in a fight with this, this school bully named, named Richard Zilla. Okay. And who are Richard Zilla's friends? What is he? Oh, he's an evil frat. Okay. What do they do? Well, they get high all the time and they try and sleep with all the guys, girlfriends. Okay. So I keep going and going and going. And then, and then it, it grows.

[01:15:12] And I say, Oh, Alex got a dad and calls him, you know, calls him a faggot because he's an artist. I know a lot about that. So I write right from the perspective of his dad, but is his dad a bad person? Probably not. He's just a guy who, who's immature and he's kind of stuck in a rut and he doesn't know what to do. So I elaborate on that. And then after, you know, 20, 30,000 words, I'm like, Oh my gosh. So, you know, I got to do another chapter on Alex. Now I got to do another chapter on Gina now. And I'm like, where are they now? Who are they? Okay.

[01:15:41] Alex moved on and he dates Julie and Julie's from this. And, and that's how I go. And, and I kind of, I think about it. And as I'm working, I jot down notes. If I think of something a character wants to do, or if I think of something traumatic that happened to me in the past that I'd like to make light of, or kind of make fun of, I put that in the story somehow. So there's a lot of very real things. I pepper into my stories that you wouldn't know they're real or fake. It's kind of like big fish, like the movie where the guy tells,

[01:16:09] or the story where the guy tells all these, these, these fancy stories and these tall tales to his kid. And then at his funeral, they find out like, there's many truths to these, these tall tales and, you know, grains of truth or full truths. So that's kind of how I write my stories. And if you took my style to any English teacher, he would tell you to get out of his class. I had a friend, I was in a book club with a friend and his dad, and his dad studied creative writing at Penn state. And I told them how I,

[01:16:38] I completed my manuscript at that point. It was around 2019. Must've been right after it happened. And he's like, I have a degree from Penn state and you did the exact opposite of everything. I was taught. I refused to be a part of this and he wouldn't read it. I'm like, what do you do for a living now? He's like, I sell insurance for motorcycles. And I'm like, okay, sure you do. And I moved on and that book was published and it's still out there. And a lot of people liked it and I'm really proud of it. So,

[01:17:08] you know, do what you're told, do what you're not told, figure out your own style and run with it, man. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Yeah. I'm not a professional writer. I don't know what I'm doing. So I just, I write things out and then, we live in the day of technology. So I put things into, get it structured correctly and like a, an app or something to help me structure it. Cause I don't know how like the space thing, you know what I mean?

[01:17:35] Like I get into Microsoft word and I try and like write it that way. And then I just try and format it in the correct format. So, so I feel like my advice to you is just to get it out, get it out. Don't worry about the, those fine layout details and things like that. Because if you get it published, you will have a team of people who are involved in that process and will push you along. The point is the story. The point is, you know,

[01:18:04] did it come from a real place? Is it, is it something you felt and that you believe in? And, and that, you know, if you get on a podcast and people are talking to you about it, you're going to seem authentic because you, you, it's something that, that was born out of love. You know what I mean? Like it's not something that's, that's fake and you're not a fraud. So like the, I would just say, just get it on paper and then, you know, and then revisit it or, or just get it on paper and God damn it. Just send it out, man. Just go for it.

[01:18:34] I think that would probably be something that I would like to try and do at some point. But for me, I just want to make sure that when I write it, it, it makes sense to me. So hopefully it makes sense to everyone else. But it is what, yeah. I mean, just, just know once that manuscript's completed, you're going to read it probably three dozen times before it gets published. So you're going to have plenty of time to comb over all those little details. Yeah.

[01:19:04] So it's, it's a lot, it's a marathon because I wrote this book. I wrote American dysfunction, the Prince of death in 2023. It took me six months to write it. And it's just now coming out, you know, three and a half years later. So it it's, it's a long process. I did a documentary. I started doing a documentary in the end of 2024. It did get picked up by an actual studio and it is being released, but I'm still waiting for it to be released. Oh,

[01:19:34] I can't imagine how long the film industry takes. I just, you know, books are one thing, but I mean, you could be in development for that for a long time before it gets released, but it sounds like you're, you're almost there. It's, it has a September release date for the releasing it on the, like their YouTube stream, but it was supposed to be on like Amazon and all these other things first. So my email in the beginning of June said it'd be like six weeks and here we are at the end of July.

[01:20:04] And I haven't seen it out there yet. So hopefully it comes out here soon before they release it for free up on the YouTube channel. I'm looking forward to seeing it. Yeah. So, well, we've been going on for a little over an hour, so I figured we can probably wrap this up, but I want you to let everyone know again, the name of your books and where they can find it at. So I write the American dysfunction series. The new one is American dysfunction, the Prince of death.

[01:20:33] They are all available under my name, Ryan Rex on Amazon, on barnesandnoble.com. You could Google me at plumber by day, author by night on Instagram and YouTube. And you can find my links there, but the series is American dysfunction. And I am Ryan Rex. So if you want to send me your links in an email, I will copy them and put them in the show notes. So it makes it easier for anyone listening out there that if they're on like Apple or Spotify,

[01:21:03] they can just click on the link and it'll take up right to the website to where they can find the book. And what about you? I sure will. I sure will. My website is, is Rex realism.com. They can also find it there. Awesome. Well, Ryan, it has been a pleasure talking with you tonight. You too, Brandon. Thank you. You made it very easy for me to tell my story. I try. I pretty much, everyone's like, Oh, I enjoy listening to your show. You're a great host. I was like, I don't really do anything. I just sit here and let people talk.

[01:21:33] You know, it's nice to, to kind of, to talk, to have a, you know, an avenue to explore, to, to tell stories like this that are very personal. And, you know, it's something I've kept in inside for 32 years. And finally, I just, you know, something triggered me to say, and it's just, it's time to talk about it. So here I am. And it's, it's nice to, it's nice to have people to talk to. So thank you. No, I thank you because without the audience, without the guests coming on here and sharing, there's not a show.

[01:22:03] So I've always said that like this show, I might be the host of it, but it's literally the show for everyone that comes on here. It's just me giving a platform to people to talk about things that they can't normally talk about. And the, the name of your podcast is really cool. I love it. I get a lot of flack from people over it, to be honest. Well, we have, the blob was filmed in a town close by called Phoenixville, and they have a tinfoil hat party every year during blob fest, which is a big deal. Actually,

[01:22:33] there's this whole thing where everybody goes in the theater and watches it and it runs out like it's in the movie and people go to this, this blob fest wearing tinfoil hats. So I, that's why I love the name of your, your podcast so much. Cause it's, it reminds me of something from home. Yeah. I, some people think it's clever. Some people like it. And then every once in a while, I'll get someone trying to shit on them because it's like, Oh, you're making fun of people. Like I'm not making fun of people. Literally. If you were to talk about some of the topics that get talked about on my show, you're going to get labeled as a tinfoil hat wear.

[01:23:01] So you're just owning up to that name. Like it doesn't matter. Like this is the average person is going to think the shit's crazy. But at the end of the day, it might be a hundred percent true. Yeah. I mean, we're getting to the point where conspiracy theories are becoming reality. So who cares? Just tell your story and, and, and be healthy and, and, and live right. Exactly. People worry about the stupid things in life and there's a lot worse things going on that we seem to not be concerned about. Yeah, man. I, I agree.

[01:23:31] I agree. So it's good to just kind of, I walk a very narrow path in life, I think. And it's hard to, uh, you know, I, I, in my, in the introduction to my book, I talk about how I was always, I loved, I loved, I secretly love the villains and stories because they could do whatever they want to in life and get away with it. And the good guys always have to walk such a narrow path. It can never do anything wrong. And it kind of sucks if you consider yourself a good guy, because it looks like the bad guys are having so much fun, but you know, if you,

[01:24:01] if you step out of line once or twice, you're going to get, you know, your life's going to be thrown completely out of whack. And, and that's kind of, you, we just have to, we just have to live with such things, I guess. Yeah. Well, again, for the audience out there, make sure to check out the show notes, make sure to check out Ryan's novels. And if you're a fan of the show and you want to do me a favor, make sure to share it around. Word of mouth helps the show grow. But on that note, thanks to Ryan. Thanks for listening. And we will check you on the next one.

[01:24:37] And that's our show. I appreciate Ryan for joining me. And I appreciate all of you for listening. What did you think of the episode? Make sure to hit up the comments and let me know. Share it around on the socials. Remember, if you have a story to share, check out the website, tinfoiltales.com and get ahold of me. Check out the Patreon for ad free and early access to episodes. And always remember, truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay the price? I'll see you next time.