Ep. 70: The Horrors of Amityville

[00:00:00] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there.

[00:00:06] I was done.

[00:00:07] I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:00:12] The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest.

[00:00:19] When I turned my headlights on it turned and looked at us and one of the things I remember

[00:00:27] the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:00:31] I see an orb of light.

[00:00:34] It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:00:39] And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

[00:00:45] They're basically like what are you talking about?

[00:00:51] That's 7 foot up on a tree peeking around it and that's where I saw the top of a muzzle,

[00:00:57] nose and the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death.

[00:01:07] Welcome back foil fanatics. I'm your host Brandon Wright.

[00:01:09] tonight's episode we're going to be

[00:01:10] joining my my guest Rich.

[00:01:12] Rich is from founding Laura

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[00:01:17] tonight to talk about the AMI

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[00:02:12] Like take this time. Welcome. I guess rich, rich. Thanks for coming on.

[00:02:15] You're talking with me tonight.

[00:02:17] Hi everybody. I hope you're all doing well today or tonight whenever you decide

[00:02:21] to listen to this podcast. In Brandon, you mentioned this being your first recording and it being a bit awkward.

[00:02:28] I want you to know that I excel at awkward and hopefully I can make this as smooth of

[00:02:32] a transition as possible for you tonight.

[00:02:35] Yeah, usually I've never done an interview for my own show.

[00:02:40] I guess I take that I have, but we've never used the actual video like I've been on a

[00:02:44] Zoom call and someone's like, can you have your camera on?

[00:02:46] It's weird talking. I know one is like, I prefer it that way.

[00:02:51] Well, no, it's a big step for you. So I appreciate you including me on this, this momentous step with a tin foil tails podcast.

[00:02:58] I'm always the type of person that I'm like, yeah, I don't want people looking at me. That's just not.

[00:03:03] And then I'm like, yeah, I don't want people looking at me.

[00:03:04] That's just not.

[00:03:10] You know, I completely understand that, you know, so we, um, the poor get too far. And so I'm, I'm one third of the founding lures, uh, founding

[00:03:15] lower fathers podcasts.

[00:03:16] Um, I do a show with two of my best friends and we talk about weird stuff.

[00:03:21] And we tried doing a true crime podcast and it was extremely depressing.

[00:03:27] I don't know how people make a living doing that

[00:03:29] because I just can't talk about people

[00:03:30] getting slaughtered like that.

[00:03:32] But anyways, we have a YouTube channel

[00:03:36] that we do not use because it is a bit odd

[00:03:39] putting our face out there talking about some of the strange

[00:03:42] stuff that we're talking about.

[00:03:44] So I completely understand that. And even if this only turns into an audio only

[00:03:49] podcast, I'm okay with that as well.

[00:03:51] As of right now, I'm kicking around the idea of releasing this on video. So hopefully,

[00:03:55] I said, with my other podcast, Dark Side of the scene, we're doing live streaming. So

[00:04:00] every Wednesday night, people can come see me and my co-host, talk to band people and look like jackasses. But that's awesome. That's awesome, dude. So

[00:04:11] before we start diving into this, the story about the Amityville horror, I want to tell

[00:04:18] you that I've listened to several of your shows. And there was one show in particular that I have a gripe with you about. And that's the interview you did with the guy

[00:04:29] who was part of a vampire call. He was a photographer for vampire

[00:04:32] cult or something like that. Oh, yeah, that was the recent one.

[00:04:36] So he came out and started talking about the BDSM side of

[00:04:41] their vampire sex cult. And you stop asking him questions about his BDSM vampire sex cult.

[00:04:49] So for future reference and some of us want to know more about that situation.

[00:04:54] So if you come across somebody's willing to talk about their vampire sex cult,

[00:04:58] please push them on that matter.

[00:05:00] Yeah.

[00:05:01] I try not to pound any agenda into what I do.

[00:05:04] So like if they didn't want to bring it up, I'm not going to ask about it just because

[00:05:07] I don't want to push anyone like a certain direction.

[00:05:11] Oh, I understand completely, man.

[00:05:14] Well, so let's just, I guess let's dive into this amnibel horror stuff.

[00:05:19] So I know a little bit about the background of it.

[00:05:24] Like I'm trying to think what the guy's actual name is.

[00:05:28] Well, I think it's safe to assume that all horror fans and anyone born in the 70s or 80s

[00:05:36] knows about the story, or at least has heard some references to it.

[00:05:42] But that said, I recently watched a movie on Netflix called the the family

[00:05:46] switch. Now it's it's a decent comedy. It's a Christmas movie. So if you're not into

[00:05:51] it right now, that's fine. Wait till next year. But there's a line in there made it

[00:05:56] made my wife actually laugh out loud, which is a rare thing for so Ed Helms. He's the

[00:06:03] father in the movie. He's playing a music teacher, and he's trying

[00:06:06] to motivate his class, and he wants him to play with his hearts, and he makes a Star

[00:06:11] Wars analogy about how Luke Skywalker was able to take down the Death Star, and the

[00:06:17] student looks in square in the face and says something like, I was born in 2010, I don't

[00:06:22] know what you're talking about. So for the listeners out there who have never heard of the Amityville horror

[00:06:29] There's about 10 books where I'm actually probably more than that ton of books that are out there

[00:06:34] There's more than 20 films that are out there and any time you see a spooky house on a hill with like a red roof on it

[00:06:41] It's some random show nine times out of 10, they're making your reference to the story. And if any of the

[00:06:47] listeners out there are interested, feel free to hop on

[00:06:50] the YouTube. There's actually several free movies that are on

[00:06:53] there and usually have to watch with some ads, but you don't

[00:06:55] need to pay for anything to watch some of these movies. Now

[00:07:00] the condensed version of the story is that a family with a

[00:07:03] few kids buys a house where the previous owners had been viciously murdered by one of their kids.

[00:07:10] Now, the people quickly find out the house is haunted as fuck, and this weird demonic spirit starts toying with them.

[00:07:17] Even yells at a priest and then like saying people they bail and move out of the house within a month.

[00:07:25] Now, at least some of that's true. Now the house is real and it is located in Long Island.

[00:07:32] The story we know comes from a book titled The Amity of the Horror written by J.

[00:07:36] Anson and is published in September of 1977.

[00:07:41] Anson wrote this book based on over 45 hours of recordings given to him by the previous

[00:07:47] owners, George and Kathleen Lutz.

[00:07:49] She goes by Kathy.

[00:07:50] Now, these are the second homeowners and they were the ones that were allegedly chased

[00:07:54] out of the home.

[00:07:57] And an interesting nugget about this is that Anson never actually interviewed the Lutz

[00:08:02] family.

[00:08:03] He did all of this based on the recordings that

[00:08:05] they provided to them. And before we dive too deep into their story, I think it's important that

[00:08:11] we talk about the Defos or the Defios. I don't know how to pronounce their name. The female

[00:08:16] previous family. The Fino. There you go. I've heard a call with that. I'll be honest with you,

[00:08:21] Brandon, I'm not good with words. Sometimes they elude me. I will do my best to try to get that right.

[00:08:30] Do a podcast.

[00:08:31] Do not do words.

[00:08:33] Well, you know science and math and you know, there's things out there that I excel at.

[00:08:39] Words are not them.

[00:08:40] Yeah, words are not one of them and that why, you know, we're not a professional outfit

[00:08:45] over at the founding law fathers.

[00:08:47] We're very much in amateur radio.

[00:08:48] Yeah, that's that's literally me here.

[00:08:52] Well, so the, the Defeo's family, there are a family of seven

[00:08:57] that lived in this large colonial style house.

[00:09:00] And from one side, it kind of looks like a face,

[00:09:03] the house, I mean, the house looks creepy.

[00:09:06] But I say that the same way, like people see pictures

[00:09:09] of like serial killers, then they talk about how like

[00:09:12] their eyes are dead or there's no emotions behind them.

[00:09:15] But if you would seen their like their picture

[00:09:17] on a dating profile, you probably thought they were cute.

[00:09:20] You know, it's the context that kind of makes it creepy there.

[00:09:24] Now, tragically on November 14th in 1974, You know, it's the context that kind of makes it creepy there now

[00:09:26] Tragically on November 14th in 1974 the family's oldest son

[00:09:32] Ronald the Fio junior shot both of his parents are shot. I'm sorry shot both of his parents and all four of his siblings

[00:09:41] He then took a shower changed his clothes and walked to a nearby bar and said,

[00:09:46] you've got to help me.

[00:09:47] I think my mother and father are shot.

[00:09:51] Now Robert Defoe is, he's an adult at this point.

[00:09:55] He's not like a 16 year old or something like that.

[00:09:58] And it's, it's pretty clear that he's got some mental issues.

[00:10:03] Now someone at the bar called the cops and then a few of the few of the people at the bar walked back to the house

[00:10:09] Presumably to see if they could save anybody

[00:10:12] But when the police arrived they started their investigation

[00:10:16] Defeo presented them with a very bizarre story

[00:10:19] He claimed that a hitman who his angry at his uncle took out the family

[00:10:24] He claimed that a hitman who was angry at his uncle took out the family.

[00:10:31] Now apparently his uncle was actually a copo in the GNOV's crime family, one of those words.

[00:10:37] And like he's like he actually named the person. So like I mean this there's a legit hitman that he named. And so it's kind of a weird nugget of information there. Now, I'm not actually going to name him because I

[00:10:45] couldn't find anything about him being an actual hitman. But I also didn't find anything that

[00:10:52] study wasn't. So now, naturally, they took him down to the station for both his safety and to

[00:11:01] interrogate him. Now, you've, I've seen you spend some time on Reddit.

[00:11:08] Could you imagine if like this was back

[00:11:10] when body cams were around?

[00:11:12] Like that play would be all over the place.

[00:11:14] So I probably would have spent several hours

[00:11:16] watching body cam of them talking to this guy.

[00:11:19] P one about a hit man.

[00:11:20] Right now I've been watching the UAP shit on there.

[00:11:28] The squid one. The jellyfish and. I've been watching the UAP shit on there. The squid one jellyfish and then I've been trying to figure out this. Aliens down in Miami mall.

[00:11:36] I am not familiar with the aliens in the Miami mall. No, that's a big thing happened last week.

[00:11:42] We'll probably have to talk about that. There are lots of weird things that happened in Miami, you know, actually,

[00:11:46] so one of their, um, yep, non conspiracy related, uh, one of their city

[00:11:53] counselors just had a federal judge, um, ordered the, the US marshals to seize

[00:11:59] all of his property and all of his assets because he was being caught up in a,

[00:12:07] um, like he decades long corruption case. And he's time after time and found doing fraud. It's yeah Miami is a fun place man. So

[00:12:14] there are aliens. I hope they don't land there. I hope they land somewhere else. Maybe not Kentucky.

[00:12:21] Kentucky will shoot them.

[00:12:23] Kentucky Kentucky will shoot them this

[00:12:27] Completely off topic, but like the Miami thing

[00:12:31] It is there was a shitload of cops

[00:12:36] That rolled into it like they had like a hundred different cops and

[00:12:40] It come to fight out they claim us for teenagers having

[00:12:44] Causing a fight or whatever and throwing fireworks at people.

[00:12:49] That's what the authorities are saying happened, but a lot of people are saying there was eight foot tall aliens zooming like a humanoid creatures coming in and

[00:12:56] out almost like transparent, the not transparent, they're like walking through

[00:13:00] walls and all sorts of sounds like in and out of existence.

[00:13:04] I was like, that sounds really freaking weird.

[00:13:08] I don't know. And they blamed it on a group of teenagers? Yeah, the police and everything are

[00:13:12] saying it was like four or five teenagers were arrested or something like that. I don't know.

[00:13:18] Do you know if they had a dog? I didn't hear anything about a dog.

[00:13:23] Okay. Well, usually groups of teenagers carry dogs dogs. Now you're usually the ones you solve those problems not create them. So, showing my age there with my little scoopy dude. I was a little confused for a second when you said they had a dog. I'm like, what are you talking about?

[00:13:38] I didn't mean to mess with you there, man. No, but that's one of those personalities. So, the back to the Amville before he'd up into that it's kind of strange where I live out now

[00:13:49] I'm only a few miles from a town called Hoover or something really a tale

[00:13:53] And I can't think of what the guy's name is but I think back in

[00:13:57] I don't know if it was the 70s maybe in the 60s, but years back

[00:14:02] It was similar to what happened with the Delfino guy.

[00:14:05] He literally had killed his family, then he went down the road and killed the rest of his family.

[00:14:10] And then they had him locked up in like the Logan Sports State Hospital for murdering his family.

[00:14:16] But everyone said he was just off his medications.

[00:14:17] He heard voices and everything else.

[00:14:19] He wasn't on his meds.

[00:14:20] And I can't think of what his name is.

[00:14:21] I've looked it up because it's only like, I have 10 miles from here.

[00:14:26] So it's like, it's strange that's very similar

[00:14:30] and almost, I think around the same timeframe

[00:14:32] as the original Delfino murders were too.

[00:14:34] The guy heard voices of mating, going,

[00:14:36] kill his whole family, then go down the street,

[00:14:37] kill his brother and his family.

[00:14:40] Well, I can tell you, schizophrenia is a real thing, man.

[00:14:43] There's actually an incredibly powerful video that I watched where it's a somebody who was

[00:14:50] recently released from prison, a schizophrenic person.

[00:14:53] He said he was walking down the street and this woman came out and begged him for help

[00:14:59] saying that somebody was inside trying to kill her family.

[00:15:03] He goes inside in one way or another.

[00:15:07] She convinced him to burn the house down. And so he lit the house on fire and all of

[00:15:12] that happened in his head, except for the fact that he actually burned down a house.

[00:15:17] And just was wrong. His medications was wrong. So it's crazy how Something like someone can be can have those wires crossed in their head

[00:15:26] And it's it's an unfortunate thing man. It happens

[00:15:30] Yeah, you know usually they don't end up in weird situations like the amity bill case because that seems you know

[00:15:36] It gets real fucking weird real quick here

[00:15:40] But uh, anyways, so

[00:15:43] You know after the cops,

[00:15:45] Adam and the station and everything,

[00:15:46] it became apparent that this dude was just straight up lying.

[00:15:50] So the following day, he confessed to the killings.

[00:15:54] He said, once I started, I just couldn't stop

[00:15:57] and went so fast.

[00:16:00] When he finally made it to trial,

[00:16:02] his lawyers provided an affirmative defense,

[00:16:05] which apparently is legal ease for their making an argument that Defio wasn't,

[00:16:11] that Defio didn't like.

[00:16:12] So his lawyers were saying the psychology, his lawyers and psychologists were saying

[00:16:17] that he was insane and addicted to heroin.

[00:16:21] Meanwhile, Defio was claiming self self defense because the voices of what

[00:16:25] we're telling him what to do. So this case is particularly interesting because

[00:16:32] there were the family was shot. It's kind of muddy. So he was using a 35 caliber

[00:16:40] gun and anyone who knows anything about guns. That's yet that's allowed pop.

[00:16:44] And the family apparently didn't know

[00:16:48] what was happening. They were all shot in their beds. So the

[00:16:52] speculation that it wasn't exactly what it seemed. And

[00:16:57] there've been a couple of books that were written about this. And

[00:17:01] you know, one of them's extremely sketchy, but they make the case

[00:17:04] that the mom was involved as well.

[00:17:07] So it's, it really is.

[00:17:09] It's a, it's a pretty disturbing thing.

[00:17:11] There was a, so there was a documentary I watched a few years ago.

[00:17:16] And I'm pretty sure Delfito's still alive, isn't he?

[00:17:24] I think I may, you know, I read well, like nine people in this.

[00:17:28] Several of them are dead now. He may or may not be alive. I think I don't remember when

[00:17:32] this I don't remember when this was filmed or when I watched it, but I swear they were

[00:17:37] still talking to him. And they were saying that he really was hearing demons. And I forget

[00:17:43] the documentary, I'd have to find it, but I remember something about

[00:17:46] watching it and they were trying to say that he wasn't, it's not that he didn't do it,

[00:17:51] but it's not that he's even not schizophrenic, but he was actually hearing the demonic things

[00:17:57] making him do that.

[00:17:59] Well, so the events that happen afterward

[00:18:06] make for a compelling case.

[00:18:08] So I just did a quick check.

[00:18:09] So he passed away in 2021.

[00:18:13] So there were, like you mentioned,

[00:18:17] there's a documentary that's out there.

[00:18:18] There's a few different stories that are out there.

[00:18:21] And what I took away from this is that

[00:18:24] this was a deeply disturbed person whose

[00:18:29] story changed multiple times throughout it. So I know in the years after the trial,

[00:18:34] before he actually passed away, so he did multiple interviews and he even requested a new trial at

[00:18:38] one point. But his events, I mean, they literally changed every time he opened his mouth.

[00:18:45] And you know, we'll never really know what actually happened.

[00:18:50] But, you know, if we knew exactly what went through his head, we probably wouldn't understand it anyways.

[00:18:59] Because this is like, it's just one of those tragic situations where

[00:19:08] This is like, it's just one of those tragic situations where it happened around the same time as the Satanic Panic was becoming a thing.

[00:19:11] So there was a weird period in American culture where like anyone who mentioned something

[00:19:18] demonic, they immediately got, they got on talk shows, they got on the news.

[00:19:24] They did that. This is where you see Ed and Lorraine

[00:19:26] Warren rise to fame.

[00:19:29] It's kind of hard to say what happened.

[00:19:32] In my mind, this really is,

[00:19:34] it's a dude just snapped and murdered his family.

[00:19:37] It's one of the things that have happened.

[00:19:39] I actually just interviewed someone recently,

[00:19:43] the episodes out, it was about alien abduction, but during

[00:19:47] the beginning of it, the guy talked about how just recently, within the last few years,

[00:19:51] his brother, his dad passed away and his brother, for whatever reason, so I'd take a shotgun

[00:19:58] and shoot the cats, his mom and then himself. I was like, oh, that took a very dark turn instantly.

[00:20:06] I wasn't expected to hear to talk about aliens.

[00:20:10] Dude, that came out of left field.

[00:20:11] I wasn't expecting to say that.

[00:20:13] But that was like, four or five years ago, it was like,

[00:20:16] Jesus.

[00:20:19] Yeah, well, you know, it's something that happens.

[00:20:24] And when we start talking about these demonic things, and we start talking about some of

[00:20:28] these alien things, one of the things that I found through just researching topics for

[00:20:33] our show is that pop culture generally fuels these type of stories. So we have like

[00:20:52] The alien craze going on but this is also like this is back in the 70s Cold War era

[00:20:55] So this is awesome when we start seeing movies like

[00:20:58] Encounters of the third kind come out

[00:21:02] This is when we start seeing people showing up and doing like

[00:21:08] weird hypnotism just to see like, you know, putting facts in people's minds before for them to become reality. And then we have this atanic panic. So we start

[00:21:14] seeing these people talking about people being possessed. We start seeing like real life crimes

[00:21:19] being blamed on cults, things like that. So that leading to the people believing that he had actual demonic things, it's just, I

[00:21:34] think that's more of a byproduct of pop culture.

[00:21:38] It's, I don't know, I don't like talking about this stuff right now, especially the

[00:21:41] suicide part of it.

[00:21:43] But you know, so this is also when the Lutz family gets involved in the story.

[00:21:49] So I'm going to draw some of this information from Anson's book.

[00:21:53] And there's a few interviews I've seen and read from the family, but I do want to take

[00:21:58] a quick aside before we get into the heart of the story by saying that the real estate

[00:22:03] agent who sold them the house was a master saleswoman.

[00:22:07] According to Anson, when she showed the house,

[00:22:12] she knew it was out of the price range,

[00:22:14] but she said, quote,

[00:22:16] "'I wanted to show them how the other half lived.'"

[00:22:20] So it was only after she did the tour

[00:22:24] that she let them know that this was the Dafillo house.

[00:22:27] You know, she then asked like, I wonder if I, if I, I wonder if I should have told you which houses was before after I, after you saw it.

[00:22:38] Then she added that she would like to know for future references when clients, clients come looking for the house in the range of $90,000. So she baited. She's like, she baited this dude hardcore into this.

[00:22:51] Now, I mean, George clearly had George is the George Lutz. He clearly had no choice but to buy

[00:22:58] the house after the agent questioned his ability to afford a cursed death trap. But George, I mean, he was such a good negotiator that he

[00:23:07] even got the agent to let him keep some of the furniture that

[00:23:10] was abandoned by the previous homeowners. And you know, that

[00:23:15] honestly sounds like a like a sleazy car salesman who calls

[00:23:19] cigarette burns on the seats like character marks.

[00:23:24] hats off to

[00:23:25] that woman, dude. She she wheeled and deal their way into that

[00:23:29] one. So now that George had established his manhood by

[00:23:34] purchasing the gateway to hell, his wife did the only reasonable

[00:23:38] thing. She invited a Catholic priest to bless their house. Now

[00:23:44] this is where the facts you blurry

[00:23:46] and the fiction really starts to kick up.

[00:23:49] And according to the Lutz family,

[00:23:52] the priest who was given the pseudonym,

[00:23:55] Father Mettascal, Medcalf, Mettasalco.

[00:24:00] When he started splashing the holy water on the walls,

[00:24:03] a masculine voice famously said,

[00:24:05] get out.

[00:24:07] And like a real asshole, he didn't say shit about it to the family.

[00:24:12] Why would he?

[00:24:13] They just didn't say anything about it.

[00:24:18] They even invited this, this like the shady bastard to stay for dinner and he politely

[00:24:22] declined and dipped the fuck out.

[00:24:28] So it's historic and continues. So later that day, the priest is driving

[00:24:30] from his mom's house or whatever

[00:24:32] and the car experienced several issues

[00:24:35] including the hood breaking loose

[00:24:37] and slamming into the windshield while he was driving.

[00:24:40] When he pulled over the car, warden start

[00:24:42] and he got a mechanic to come check it out

[00:24:45] And when the mechanic got a hold of it back at a shop

[00:24:48] He turned it on the windshield wipers would not stop moving. They were completely out of control and

[00:24:54] Again, this asshole didn't tell the mechanic that he was working on a haunted car

[00:25:00] I'm trying to remember the movie didn't something like that happened in the movie, too

[00:25:09] Yeah, so there's several movies that are out there. So the movie actually I think does a pretty good job staying true to the book.

[00:25:14] Now obviously it's a movie so they take some liberties with information, but I think they

[00:25:20] did a pretty good job.

[00:25:22] How much of the book is true.

[00:25:26] You know, that's, that's debatable.

[00:25:31] So, but yeah, the priest definitely had this experience, but I just want everyone out there who's listening to know that if you, that you have a duty to tell

[00:25:37] people that something's haunted.

[00:25:40] It's okay for them to call you crazy, but it's not okay for you to get the haunted ass car to somebody just for shits and gigs.

[00:25:47] So, because just be cautious with that.

[00:25:51] So, at the same time, like this car is going wild.

[00:25:55] This is like day one of the house, right?

[00:25:58] The Lutz family dog, his name's Harry, which is a great dog name, by the way. He managed to jump over a fence,

[00:26:06] and it caused him to strangle itself with his collar,

[00:26:09] and then the family radio stopped working

[00:26:12] and started pitching out screaming high-pitched noises.

[00:26:16] And luckily, they were able to stay the dog's life,

[00:26:19] but it was a weird start to their first day in the new house.

[00:26:24] And then over the next couple of days, things only began to get

[00:26:28] weirder. So George would be, he started hearing knocking at the

[00:26:32] door every night around 315 in the morning. And when there was

[00:26:36] never anyone around, he just assumed the kids were struggling

[00:26:39] to adjust to the new house, they were probably moving around a

[00:26:41] little bit in their beds. That was until one night when the dog began to lose its mind.

[00:26:47] It was barking at the door, and when George went outside on the cold December night,

[00:26:53] he saw a shadow moving around his boat house.

[00:26:56] This is the first time the alleged spirit had been made visible to the family,

[00:27:02] at least to George anyway.

[00:27:04] Now, the next day, Kathy was sitting

[00:27:06] in the kitchen riding in her journal when she had a strange feeling that somebody was

[00:27:11] staring at her. And when she looked around, she found her young daughter at the top of

[00:27:16] the stairs just looking down at her mother. Her hair was draped over her face and she

[00:27:22] told her mom that she wanted to go home.

[00:27:25] Now, I'm, I'm, I'm picturing this like moment in my mind.

[00:27:29] I can only imagine it must have been odd for Kathy, but I've got a daughter myself and

[00:27:34] she's definitely looked scary as shit on more than one occasion.

[00:27:38] So I probably wouldn't have thought anything of it.

[00:27:40] Like my daughter, she's got blonde hair, long blonde hair, and there's been more than one

[00:27:44] occasion where she's walked into my bedroom and just stared at me by trying to wake me up when she

[00:27:49] was younger. Like she was a child of the corn. So I'm like, little girls, they're, they could

[00:27:55] definitely do some weird shit. I'm surprised. I wouldn't think anything of this.

[00:27:58] I'm surprised at one point. I have not straight up punched one of my kids for scared me at one

[00:28:03] I have not straight up punch one of my kids for scared man. One more.

[00:28:03] It's just because of how creepy they can be.

[00:28:05] Oh man.

[00:28:06] Waking me up.

[00:28:07] So I'm a, I'm a retired firefighter man and loud noises freak.

[00:28:13] It was for a long stretch.

[00:28:14] I overreacted to loud noises.

[00:28:17] It was like something was like, it was like a roof was collapsing on me.

[00:28:20] You know, it was just my heightened sense like that.

[00:28:23] And I damn near punched my daughter one time she came out the she came

[00:28:26] out, boom. I was like, Oh, shit. I came out like this. And she

[00:28:32] she dodged, you know, I didn't swing that hard, you know, I

[00:28:35] didn't actually punch my daughter in the head, but that was the

[00:28:37] closest I've actually come to hitting her. I did actually

[00:28:40] punch my brother in the face one time when we were when we were

[00:28:43] younger, I was I was a passed out on the couch. And he comes up as says, Hey Rich, Hey Rich, he's like, he like hits my head.

[00:28:49] I just wake up instinctively. Just throw the weakest left hook you've ever seen.

[00:28:54] Caught him in the cheek though. So hey, he stopped stop waking me up by the face after that though.

[00:28:59] Funny story. That's funny to me now, but felt bad when it happened. I was at a haunted house and this was probably 20 years ago now.

[00:29:11] And I saw one of the guys, like it was not a haunted house, like a real haunted house,

[00:29:15] like one of those dressed up, just to scare you, haunted houses or whatever.

[00:29:20] I'd saw the kid going around the corner, so I knew he was going to jump out, try as

[00:29:23] scarce.

[00:29:24] I was expecting him. I was not expecting the one on the other side to come out.

[00:29:28] So I'm looking this way.

[00:29:30] He jumped sound like, Oh, yeah, there you are.

[00:29:32] The other one jumps off from behind me and I instinctively just turned and

[00:29:36] right in his face.

[00:29:38] He was just a kid.

[00:29:39] He's a teenager.

[00:29:40] I was probably only like 20, 21 at the time.

[00:29:42] So, but he was still a little younger than me.

[00:29:44] And I felt terrible because when we got out of the haunted house

[00:29:47] He was outside doing this

[00:29:49] His nose was bust. He was wearing a mask by punching through the math

[00:29:54] No, dude, that's terrible

[00:29:56] So the kid was probably like maybe 15. I was like, uh-oh like sorry man. He's like, it's okay

[00:30:02] like

[00:30:03] I wonder I wonder if they get hazard pay like if their boss is like showing up bonuses or each time they get knocked in the face.

[00:30:10] Like I don't know what like I was just my instinct I instantly just swung.

[00:30:15] That's scared swung.

[00:30:16] Yes.

[00:30:17] Just sucks man.

[00:30:18] You know I went to the only the only real one I've been to.

[00:30:22] Um, wasn't it wasn't even a real there was a haunted was a

[00:30:27] Had carowinds down in South Carolina. It's only North Carolina

[00:30:31] Charlotte but North Carolina South Carolina border and they did a um

[00:30:36] Scarowinds situation we went down we went down 18 19 those are on the same age as you man. That was a great experience

[00:30:42] Uh, I would never do it again. But

[00:30:45] it was fantastic, especially at that age.

[00:30:46] Well, I haven't been to one.

[00:30:48] Yeah. Well, I take that. I did go to one not this past Halloween, but in 2022, I took

[00:30:53] my nephew to one. And they do one here in our town. They have the old school. And they

[00:31:01] always decorated up for Halloween every year. But other than that, like, my wife

[00:31:08] doesn't like to go to that type of stuff. The kids don't like it either. So I don't have

[00:31:12] anyone to go with.

[00:31:15] You can't at this point, we can't be the creepy old guys going on. Punching little kids,

[00:31:21] you know what I mean? It's a very different different story beat a 22 year old punch in an 18 year old

[00:31:26] They're being a 30 plus year old, you know

[00:31:31] Oh man, oh

[00:31:33] But yeah back back to the back to the stories. This is when this the girl comes down

[00:31:38] She's all scary and shit right now at this moment

[00:31:42] George losses temper and he slapped the table.

[00:31:45] Now, he was a strict person and the sudden abruptness of it all was at least according

[00:31:55] to Kathy out of character form.

[00:31:57] Now the kids on the other hand, they would describe him as abusive multiple times in

[00:32:01] adulthood, but for the story's sake, this is the beginning of an aggressive pattern that would start and end while George was in the house.

[00:32:11] And so over the next couple of days, the demon would step up its game, like it turned all the

[00:32:16] toilet water pitch black, made the house smell bad, it just sprinkled little little cold spots

[00:32:22] throughout the house, and then one day it decided to unleash thousands of flies

[00:32:27] now

[00:32:28] If you believe the house itself was possessed

[00:32:32] It doesn't matter which part of its body would be the toilet

[00:32:37] But I can assure you that it's rude to use the bathroom on somebody

[00:32:42] So in this case, I totally agree with the house's reaction. Now, you have a

[00:32:49] question up until go ahead. The flies. Did it say what month

[00:32:55] that happened in? This is December. Okay. So this happens

[00:33:00] over the course of 28 days. I have my own little theory about flies.

[00:33:07] Or I used to work.

[00:33:08] We had a room and there was a little heater in it that we had to keep it warm.

[00:33:15] Basically, I used to plow snow.

[00:33:16] I used to work for the state highway department and I had to have plow snow

[00:33:20] when we made salt brine in this old little room we had.

[00:33:23] That room had a little heater that we ended up putting in there to keep it warm.

[00:33:27] When we heated it up when it was so-called every single fly in the existence

[00:33:32] was in that room and is in the window.

[00:33:34] There was like hundreds of flies all over the window just because of the warmth.

[00:33:37] So what if they're ever like frozen there from the winter time, just warming them up?

[00:33:41] So I'm just kind of wondering, I was like, I know this is, there's so many flies

[00:33:44] like it if it's in a cold month, maybe because it got

[00:33:47] warm in there, they all like, fell it out and they were just all migrating to

[00:33:51] where the warmth was. I don't know.

[00:33:55] So that is a possibility, right? So there are different lenses through

[00:34:00] which this story gets told. Now

[00:34:05] one of the sons and from what I can tell he's the only one to actually go on record outside of his parents to explain the

[00:34:11] situation and what happened to him and his and his view and the grand he was a kid at the time.

[00:34:17] In his telling of the story there was a situation where

[00:34:21] there were flies all around him and he had taken a newspaper and he had

[00:34:26] swatted through killing hundreds of them. And when he went to get help from his mom,

[00:34:30] he came back, the flies were gone. So there is, is there a logical explanation for the

[00:34:38] flies being there? I'm sure there is. Or, you know, this is something that the Lutzlutz or Lutz family just made up

[00:34:47] And it sounds good, you know, I just know from experience there's

[00:34:52] Even at the one of the other places the offices that we had there was

[00:34:56] When I got really cold when it started to warm up the whole place was infested with flies

[00:35:00] It's just we went around with a vacuum cleaner or just like vacuum out of the windows

[00:35:04] because there're so

[00:35:07] We had actually I got a couple a couple little stories here. So I remember probably one of

[00:35:15] One of my favorite days in life. It was one. It was absolute boredom. I was um, I was like I

[00:35:25] I was, um, I was like, I was 20, 21.

[00:35:31] And, you know, back, back in the day, I enjoyed left-handed cigarettes, you know, a little, little puff puff pass here and there.

[00:35:33] And that's how I was spending my day off.

[00:35:35] And, uh, my roommate had a dog and we had this.

[00:35:40] So we lived in a cinder block house out near the sound in North Carolina.

[00:35:46] Across the street was the landlady's house.

[00:35:49] And she, she would only show up every once in a while, but I made sure she wasn't home this weekend.

[00:35:54] So I'm just out there and I'm enjoying myself.

[00:35:56] And my roommate's dog had spent the night out there before.

[00:35:59] And so there was some dog group.

[00:36:01] We cleaned it up and everything, but the flies had come in.

[00:36:04] Man, I bet you, I spent two hours of my life just killing flies.

[00:36:09] It was just a great way.

[00:36:11] It was just one of those afternoons.

[00:36:12] I just killed that way.

[00:36:14] But now less depressing than flies is ladybugs.

[00:36:19] So where we're at, we will have.

[00:36:24] I mean, you can hate them all you want, man.

[00:36:26] They're still pretty to look at.

[00:36:28] The, um, they were, this, I was, I was in pest control for, I don't know, six,

[00:36:34] seven years and every, every year around this time we would get our fake

[00:36:40] spring or our fake winter.

[00:36:42] And so like everything would die and then everything would come back to life like just like that.

[00:36:46] We used to get calls all the time about like hordes of ladybugs coming in through the

[00:36:51] windows and there would just be a mass like kill site of ladybugs in the windows where

[00:36:57] they'd come alive, went to the windows and frozen and died.

[00:37:02] So yeah, bugs are weird, man.

[00:37:04] Yeah. I, um, that happens to us every fall. It seems like every window and door for the garage

[00:37:13] or whatever, the one door going outside was literally invested with dead bugs because I went

[00:37:17] through and I sprayed so much bug killer and barrier or whatever all the way around the place

[00:37:22] all around the seals and everything. So when you open up that door, there's a dead bugs

[00:37:26] landed between the glass door and the garage door.

[00:37:31] Yeah, there's something about there's something about killing bugs, man.

[00:37:34] It's very satisfying. Because you know, especially as a married person,

[00:37:38] you know, you're going to catch shit if you see a bug in your house.

[00:37:42] I used to be taking care of that problem early.

[00:37:45] We were paying for orchid up until the last few months and then I just said, I'll do

[00:37:49] it myself because I don't feel like they're having that great of a job. Then I was still

[00:37:55] fighting random ass spiders and stuff in the basement. It's where I'm at and I was

[00:38:00] the basement. The basement's are hard. I'm in the basement now, but I bugged bomb the shit out of it a couple of weeks ago.

[00:38:07] Awesome. I'll give you some recommendations offline. Some things you can do here and

[00:38:11] there. That was something I really picked up quite a few. I learned quite a bit doing

[00:38:15] that. So now, um, so what up until this point, like it was really just in the story anyways.

[00:38:26] George and the priest were the only the ones who really think this place is haunted.

[00:38:30] I mean, there have only been in the house for just a handful of days.

[00:38:33] And there were obviously minor small things, something that happened that everyone thought was kind of weird.

[00:38:38] And that was until the night of December 23rd.

[00:38:41] Everyone had to come around to the idea that something was seriously wrong. See that night, what 315 something ripped the door off the home and unleashed

[00:38:51] the full brunt of a mild New England winter into the family's house. Now, after dealing

[00:38:57] with the nightmare, the next morning, the daughter began to hum an unfamiliar tune while staring at the boathouse.

[00:39:05] Now she started saying weird shit like do angels talk to you?

[00:39:09] And the brothers had gotten into an actual fist fight.

[00:39:13] And Paracorn to Kathy, all the crosses in the house had been turned upside down.

[00:39:18] There's a lot of red flags going on here dude, especially right around the holidays.

[00:39:24] Now I will say so Christmas would come and pass with, you know, just a few minor

[00:39:28] instance here and there's, you know, I guess the asshole that was honking them

[00:39:33] took a break.

[00:39:34] Yeah, everyone gets a winter break, I guess.

[00:39:36] But, um, it was after the new year that, you know, shit really started to hit the

[00:39:41] fans, like, so the house began to really stink and the family went around to open up all the windows.

[00:39:48] And then one of the boys, one of the kids named Danny, the one who gave the

[00:39:52] interview had his fingers smashed in the window with such force that it

[00:39:57] actually shattered the bones in his hand.

[00:40:00] Now it took multiple family members to force the window off of his hand.

[00:40:04] And when he, when he was finally free, the family multiple family members to force the window off of his hand, and when he finally

[00:40:07] free the family rushed him downstairs to begin the first aid process.

[00:40:12] Then, according to Danny, the door flung wide open, and a spirit walked in.

[00:40:19] According to him, the operation bumped into his mom.

[00:40:22] It walked through his hands, knocking over a knife on the table,

[00:40:27] and sat down right next to them. And as quickly as it entered, it disappeared.

[00:40:34] Now, according to Danny, his hand was the size of a baseball glove. And suddenly,

[00:40:40] the swelling went down, and his hand returned to normal with the exception of his pinky.

[00:40:44] and suddenly the swelling went down and his hand returned to normal with the exception of his pinky. Now there's actually a full documentary centered around Danny and what his experiences

[00:40:51] were. It's titled My Amityville Horror and listening, you actually just wanted one's on

[00:40:57] Vail Along YouTube and listening to him tell the story, it's actually quite chilling.

[00:41:05] So like you can hear in his voice

[00:41:07] just how deeply disturbed the guy is.

[00:41:10] And it's hard to say what actually happened

[00:41:16] when you listen to him.

[00:41:19] But for right now, after that incident,

[00:41:22] the tax would only pick up from there.

[00:41:25] So at some point, both Danny and George

[00:41:28] were levitated off the ground and thrown.

[00:41:32] Red eyes were beginning to appear in the windows,

[00:41:35] and both Danny and George reported seeing

[00:41:37] a pig like a monster with fangs.

[00:41:41] Now, the priest I had mentioned earlier,

[00:41:44] he'd begun going through a cycle of flu-like

[00:41:46] symptoms.

[00:41:47] He finally broke down, called the family, gave him a warning of what was going on, and

[00:41:53] then he had, after some back and forth, he decided he was going to reach out to the local

[00:41:56] bishop for help.

[00:41:58] Now, I'm not going to pretend to understand Catholicism, but I do know that bishop is

[00:42:03] a big word. So the Bishop ultimately told father, well, the priest to chill the fuck out.

[00:42:11] Apparently he was of the opinion that the priest was experiencing a big case of the

[00:42:17] bullshit and didn't want to pursue the matter any further.

[00:42:22] Now around the same time there was was situation when the daughter came running out

[00:42:28] at running into her parents bedroom saying, Jordy needs to talk to you. And he's got the

[00:42:33] biggest pig you've ever seen. Now, obviously, George and Kathy freaked out because they don't

[00:42:38] know anybody named Jordy. And there was potentially a big ass pig loose in their house, which honestly sounds worse than being haunted.

[00:42:46] I don't know what you're talking about till with a giant friggin bigger demon.

[00:42:52] Yeah, well, I mean, one of them's going to shit for sure. The other one who knows, you know, I don't know.

[00:43:00] I mean, obviously, go shit probably smells bad. That's why I was smelling so bad in their house, but like,

[00:43:07] I never understood that part like

[00:43:11] they were saying the thing was like

[00:43:14] shitting

[00:43:16] I don't know the term to say like it.

[00:43:18] I've never heard of a ghost or a spirit or whatever happens, some sort of

[00:43:23] excrement or whatever. It's just strange.

[00:43:25] Oh, no, that was something I just threw into the store there, man.

[00:43:27] That's not something they were playing.

[00:43:29] I thought you said something earlier.

[00:43:30] No, I'm just saying about the house like shitty now.

[00:43:33] Hypothetically.

[00:43:33] Okay.

[00:43:34] This is the house smells bad.

[00:43:37] You know, you're dealing with quite a petty asshole.

[00:43:40] You're going to haunt a house.

[00:43:41] You're a petty as ghost, dude.

[00:43:43] And if you're a petty as ghost, chances are you're, you're, you're

[00:43:46] shitting somewhere.

[00:43:46] You shouldn't be shitting because that's just what bastards do.

[00:43:49] Yeah.

[00:43:49] Okay.

[00:43:50] When you said that earlier, I was kind of just like, I've never heard

[00:43:53] that part where the ghost was supposedly shitting in the house.

[00:43:56] It hadn't been like an animal or something.

[00:43:58] Yeah.

[00:43:59] So, well, you know, I will say, so, um, not included in my story is a

[00:44:04] throwaway line

[00:44:05] from the book where George describes seeing some green stuff in the boat house.

[00:44:11] He called that poltergeist vomit.

[00:44:15] That's just, you know, since we're all on the topic, I wasn't even going to bring

[00:44:19] it up, but you know, there's that.

[00:44:21] Ectoplasm.

[00:44:23] So yeah, like the, you know, slime or just through you and now you got all the do on them

[00:44:28] or whatever.

[00:44:29] So now.

[00:44:30] So a few nights after the Jordi incidents, you know, something attacked the boys.

[00:44:39] Their beds were being thrown up and down and George and George could hear this happening,

[00:44:43] but he was paralyzed and he

[00:44:45] sucked to his bed. And when he looked over for his wife for help, she was levitating off the mattress.

[00:44:52] When the boys broke free, they came in screaming about a faceless monster trying to grab them.

[00:44:58] The entire family had been having a nightmare, but this was the final straw.

[00:45:02] George and Kathy gathered their children, rushed

[00:45:05] out of their house, got in the family van, and dipped out. They vowed to never spend another day

[00:45:10] inside the monstrosity. So before we move on to some of the speculation about what happened,

[00:45:18] I think it's important to mention that after the news had spread about the miraculous events surrounding the situation

[00:45:27] and why the Dafillo House was going back on the market.

[00:45:32] Their local Channel 5 news team, Channel 5 news team ran a story on it.

[00:45:37] So they obviously contacted the Lutz family and they invited paranormal investigators

[00:45:42] and psychics to spend the night with their camera crew to see if anything would happen

[00:45:48] Now two of the people they invited were Ed and Lorraine Warren

[00:45:52] Now if you're not familiar with them

[00:45:54] They are world-renowned bullshitters who masqueraded around the country selling ghost stories like they were crack dealers in the 80s

[00:46:01] Christors and

[00:46:03] If you've watched any like modern- day possession movie that begins with based on

[00:46:08] a true story, chances are it was loosely based on air quotes, their investigations.

[00:46:16] The reporter who was the act, I think the only neutral person involved in any of this

[00:46:21] didn't recall anything strange happening to him directly.

[00:46:24] And he doesn't, he didn't see any evidence of anything going on. But he did make a note that his cameraman,

[00:46:30] who was relatively fit, relatively fit guy who had been to other countries doing war coverage,

[00:46:37] things like that, began running out of breath. And his heart felt heavy while he was climbing the stairs.

[00:46:45] Now the Warrens allegedly took a photo of a ghost boy who was like peeking his head

[00:46:51] around the door.

[00:46:53] One of their assistants would come forward and basically debunk all of their work.

[00:46:59] Now the Anson and at least George and Kathy Lutz have maintained that everyone who has lived

[00:47:06] in that house has experiences, some strange occurrences, does a patently false statement.

[00:47:12] In fact, according to the neighbors and some of the people who have lived there, no one

[00:47:17] that they know has had a problem since the Lutz family moved out.

[00:47:22] Now Anson, the author of the book, has come forward and to say that the only reason

[00:47:26] he agreed to write the story is because the priest spoke to him directly and confidentially

[00:47:32] and support the Lutz family story. The priest would eventually come forward to identify

[00:47:37] himself and get gentlin by the name of race, you know, like a pretty decent guy, and he

[00:47:41] denied the entire thing. And for what it's worth, the Catholic church has also released a statement and

[00:47:48] vehemently denying the entire thing and has it listed as one of the many

[00:47:53] hoaxes on its official website.

[00:47:55] But it's the Catholic church and they have vehemently denied many things and

[00:47:59] they're absolute bastards.

[00:48:01] So take that with a grain of salt.

[00:48:01] they're absolute bastards. So take that with a grain of salt.

[00:48:05] Now George Lutz is, he was known to have an infinity

[00:48:11] for the occult, which kind of adds the speculation

[00:48:14] that he made up the whole thing,

[00:48:15] hoping to make some money off of it.

[00:48:17] And then I think he goes out saying that the Warrens,

[00:48:21] Jay Anson, and at least George and Kathy Lutz

[00:48:29] all made a significant amount of money on the story, the book and the movie.

[00:48:36] You know, and from what I can tell, as mentioned earlier, Jan, he's probably one of the only one, the only kids to come forward out and actually talk about this publicly. And my heart really

[00:48:41] goes out to the guy. I mean, he describes his parents going to any

[00:48:45] media outlet that would talk to them. And he would he and his siblings were dropped off at Catholic

[00:48:51] school where he talked about being beaten up by nuns and they were priests who were performing

[00:48:56] routine exercises on him because he I guess he was haunted. Danny ended up leaving home at 15

[00:49:02] because George was an asshole and his mom kind of sucked too.

[00:49:06] And he goes on, goes on record as saying George could move things with his mind in the documentary.

[00:49:13] And he actually tells a pretty good story about how he went in and saw his stepdad moving

[00:49:17] a wrench with his mind.

[00:49:21] So there's obviously there's a lot of stuff going on with the story.

[00:49:30] And some people really believe it's haunted.

[00:49:36] Some people look at the story and go, okay, something drove the Defoe boy crazy and made him kill his family.

[00:49:41] And obviously it lingered and hit the Lutz family.

[00:49:44] And that's why they ended up being as haunted as they were.

[00:49:47] You have pretty clear evidence that they were lying,

[00:49:52] or I shouldn't say that they were lying.

[00:49:54] You have pretty clear evidence that they were incentivized

[00:49:57] to lie and make up this statement.

[00:50:00] And the people that are surrounded by them

[00:50:02] that support the statement are known grifters.

[00:50:05] Yeah.

[00:50:06] So it's a tricky one.

[00:50:09] It really is because this is a story that has infiltrated pop culture since 1975.

[00:50:19] It's been everyone's been touched by the story.

[00:50:23] And I kind of had my own theory

[00:50:25] without trying to discredit anything that they'd said,

[00:50:29] but like I've always kind of wondered,

[00:50:34] they didn't know the back history of the house

[00:50:36] when they fell in love with it and they wanted it.

[00:50:40] So they moved in and realized that they couldn't afford it.

[00:50:44] And then they're like, oh shit, we need to get, we need to get out of here.

[00:50:46] So what did they do?

[00:50:47] They just made up the story just so they could try and get out of the place.

[00:50:52] I don't know how that worked back in the seventies.

[00:50:53] I figured you can't just get out of the loan to buy the house or something, but

[00:50:58] I don't know.

[00:50:59] So that's, that's a theory that's been floated out there several times and

[00:51:03] financial struggles.

[00:51:06] Make a lot of sense.

[00:51:08] It really does.

[00:51:09] Now, the naysayers, I guess, the people who would detract from that would say they were

[00:51:16] only there for 28 days.

[00:51:19] How would they, you know, the bank wouldn't have, they wouldn't have been foreclosed on

[00:51:22] because they wouldn't have enough time to have paid their second mortgage, let alone their first mortgage.

[00:51:27] And I think that's, that's a silly argument at best. Because yeah, I've, I've bought things that

[00:51:34] I know that I couldn't afford. And now have I, have I gone around saying my car was haunted? No,

[00:51:41] absolutely not. But you know, you make bad financial decisions. I think that's

[00:51:47] there. Now, I do think that I do think that George probably planned this out. I think that there was,

[00:51:55] I think that he wanted to create this story and I think that he wanted to sell it.

[00:52:01] Because he was into the occult. He did look at this house.

[00:52:06] Like, maybe I can get a deal on this, right?

[00:52:10] And then they created this whole fictional event that happened.

[00:52:15] Their kids are young enough to be suggestive,

[00:52:17] to be unshestable.

[00:52:22] It's a fun story.

[00:52:24] It's one that I've always found fascinating.

[00:52:26] I've always liked the idea of it being haunted. That's fucked up to say. But thinking that

[00:52:36] something like that really did happen like I want to believe. But yes, at the same time, it's like, I never believed that.

[00:52:46] Like I've watched the movie, actually like the movie, but it just sounded so ridiculously

[00:52:52] over the top that the gates of hell happened here at this house, but never happened again.

[00:52:59] Like, yeah, right.

[00:53:01] Like there was a, there was a red moon.

[00:53:04] Yeah. Like all this stuff.

[00:53:07] Satter lined up perfectly. Like I'm pretty sure like the end of the movie and I don't,

[00:53:10] I don't talk about the new one with Ryan Reynolds or whatever, which I don't think

[00:53:14] that one was a terrible one either. I guess I don't really remember that one. But the

[00:53:18] original one, I, isn't like a portal opened up in there like starting to like suck shit

[00:53:23] in or some shit when they're trying to escape the house at the end. It doesn't want to let them leave.

[00:53:29] Oh my God, you know, I, I, I instantly forgot all about the movie. Not just, but I know

[00:53:34] at the end of poltergeist, yeah, the portal opened up and like fucking yeah,

[00:53:39] ask it to chicken flying out, man.

[00:53:41] I feel like at the end though, like there was like a light or one of them are trying

[00:53:44] to escape the house and they had to get in the car and drive away.

[00:53:47] I could be mistaken and thinking of poltergeist, but I'm pretty sure it was the end of whatever because I had like a

[00:53:55] Oh, not Josh Brolin, but whatever his dad's name is.

[00:54:01] He was the George of that movie. But now like

[00:54:08] it was a pit of black sludge. Okay. So there was like it was

[00:54:11] following him and stuff like that. Yeah, it's a good movie, man.

[00:54:14] It really is. It's it's it is a good 70s war film. I will say

[00:54:19] that they did a good job making that movie. Now the Ryan

[00:54:22] Reynolds ones probably skip out on that one. Yeah, that's one of

[00:54:25] the I'm actually pretty big Ron. I think like most of the world I'm pretty big Ron Reynolds fan.

[00:54:30] But that movie just that movie really did seem like an excuse for him to just take a shirt off.

[00:54:36] It was almost like it was an underwear ad. You know what I mean? Like that song that came out

[00:54:40] like she looked so perfect standing there in American American peril underwear that was sold as a rock saw was clearly clearly a

[00:54:48] Washington rock song pop song was clearly commercial watch

[00:54:52] Ryan Reynolds by the boat house with no shirt on and then walk

[00:54:56] around looking at his family with an accent no shirt on.

[00:55:01] Would you remember about that movie?

[00:55:02] Right, Reynolds and abs.

[00:55:05] Incredible abs.

[00:55:06] Very menacing, very menacing.

[00:55:10] Clearly did a lot of sit ups and how to great fast.

[00:55:14] Now that's that's all I really remember about that movie to be out of percent.

[00:55:17] I was was he was like, he played George and I remember he had an axe and everything.

[00:55:21] And I almost felt like it was almost like the shining to an extent like you walked around with an axe

[00:55:27] He's possessed So that was another good story. I love the shining. That was a great

[00:55:30] I actually couple of great films without one Stephen King's fucking terrible man

[00:55:34] God, I hate him. I hate all of his movies. I hate reading his stories. I just can't I can't do

[00:55:40] I can't I don't like living in a world where Stephen King exists if I'm being honest with you now

[00:55:44] I can't I don't like living in a world where Stephen King exists if I'm being honest with you now

[00:55:50] You know one of the fun conversations. I like to have is about ghost now

[00:55:59] Do you think ghost or real? That is a very slippery slope that I am not gonna mention on here

[00:56:02] No, I'm just fucking with you. Um, yes and no.

[00:56:08] And I mean that in the sense of I don't feel like people are haunted by like.

[00:56:18] Someone that used to live here or somewhere, you go to a cemetery.

[00:56:21] Oh, because you're by someone's grave, there's spirits around there.

[00:56:24] If you believe in an afterlife, their spirit should be fucking gone. Why would

[00:56:27] they linger around? Oh, they're just lost souls, isn't that? I think the energies are what's here.

[00:56:34] And I don't know if that's a soul. I don't know if it's a ghost or whatever it is. I think the

[00:56:37] things that we interact with are some sort of an energy. If that makes any sort of sense. I don't

[00:56:42] know if it's like sometimes it's negative. Sometimes it's this and that and I've always wondered maybe throwing out the whole interdimensional

[00:56:50] thing.

[00:56:51] Maybe when people see shadow people or when they see these other figures or interact with

[00:56:54] these things, they're not actually ghost in the sense of dead spirits or whatever, but

[00:56:58] they're actually something from another plane of existence that we don't see yet.

[00:57:02] It kind of bleeds into our world.

[00:57:09] That's that's my weird hypothesis.

[00:57:12] That's that's a that's a good. I actually like that explanation.

[00:57:14] Now we've talked about this several times on our show.

[00:57:18] Now I'm a.

[00:57:22] I've had an actually to talk actually, so you're talking about paranormal experiences on your

[00:57:26] show.

[00:57:27] So I've only had one, one strange thing happen to me.

[00:57:31] And I'm pretty sure I hallucinated it.

[00:57:34] So I'm not saying, I'm not going on record saying it's real or not, but I remember I

[00:57:38] was, I was hungover.

[00:57:41] I was driving back to my house.

[00:57:44] Yes, exactly right. I was driving back to my house and

[00:57:48] at the time I lived on I lived it's like a I

[00:57:52] Don't want to say an axis road, but it was a road that connected a

[00:57:57] Highway to highways. We lived on that road and I

[00:58:03] Looked over it was it was one of those early summer mornings

[00:58:08] where the sun's not quite out yet, but it's like muggy.

[00:58:14] You know what I mean?

[00:58:15] It was a perfect day to, I don't know if I should say perfect.

[00:58:17] It was an absolutely terrible day to be hungover because it was, you know,

[00:58:20] you're sweating immediately.

[00:58:22] But I'm driving down the road and I'm reliqued over the right

[00:58:25] and I saw a face just standing there staring at me,

[00:58:29] freaking me the fuck out.

[00:58:30] I almost swerved off the road.

[00:58:31] I came back to it, looked over, was gone.

[00:58:35] Now that was the only time I've had that experience.

[00:58:37] Now there was a situation when I was a kid

[00:58:41] where my sister played the perfect prank

[00:58:44] on myself and my cousins, where she moved

[00:58:47] a doll and made it look like she didn't do it. And we went here, singing that doll was

[00:58:53] possessed. She finally came forward with it, you know. I remember I could still see my

[00:58:59] cousin's face. You know, we went years without talking, I've seen each other rather. And when I broke it down to him, how she did it, it looked I'm not going to be a fan of that. I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:05] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:07] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:09] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:11] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:13] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:15] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:17] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:19] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:21] I'm not going to be a fan of that.

[00:59:23] I'm not going to be a fan of that. I'm not going to be a fan of that. I'm not going to be a fan of that. Um, he's had several experiences that are ghost like, yeah, he talks about shadow people

[00:59:28] and his experiences with that.

[00:59:31] And he and I have been friends.

[00:59:35] Well, he, I have, both of those, John and, John and Dan, we had been friends, they've

[00:59:40] known their brothers.

[00:59:41] They've known each other their entire lives, but I've known them for the last 17 to 18 years.

[00:59:47] And it was only after we started doing the show

[00:59:50] that we started talking about some of the stranger things

[00:59:52] that have happened in our lives.

[00:59:54] It wasn't something that we talked about freely.

[00:59:57] Who wants to go tell their friends

[00:59:58] that they're seeing ghost and shit?

[01:00:00] You know, it's a strange conversation to have.

[01:00:03] And so it's the more I hear and the more I listen to people that talk about their

[01:00:10] experiences, I'm starting to come around to the idea that maybe there is something

[01:00:15] out there that is haunting.

[01:00:22] I don't disagree.

[01:00:23] There's not something out there. I just, like said far as it being I don't know what it is

[01:00:28] I'm not gonna go on a record. So I know it is because I don't think anyone really knows what the fuck it is

[01:00:33] but

[01:00:35] Yeah, I definitely think these people experience something

[01:00:39] Now obviously in the case of the Amityville or whatever

[01:00:44] Now obviously in the case of the Amityville or whatever, I don't know, and even people that I've probably talked

[01:00:47] to or whatever, they've embellished things here and there.

[01:00:49] I'm assuming it's just part of it.

[01:00:51] Also, I don't know if they do it intentionally,

[01:00:54] just because if you have a traumatic experience

[01:00:59] your mind typically tries to,

[01:01:02] I don't wanna say block certain things,

[01:01:04] but you don't remember it

[01:01:05] exactly how it happened. Your mind has a weird way of trying to like shelter you from that,

[01:01:10] I think, like a defense mechanism. So, and I've talked about this before. Maybe people

[01:01:16] have these traumatic events, even like these abductions or whatever. Is it actually aliens

[01:01:22] abducting or there's something really happened to your kid and you're saying aliens came into your room and abducted you and did all these things to you?

[01:01:28] Was it really aliens or was it like some weird creepy uncle that came in and

[01:01:32] Your brain is processed as being abducted by aliens. Like that's just an example. I'm not saying that's really happened

[01:01:38] but like

[01:01:39] I've often wondered if maybe our minds themselves are not sheltering us like shildiness from some sort of weird experiences we've had and we can only

[01:01:50] understand it and that this is the way we make sense of it.

[01:01:59] It's a good point. It is. I think that there's enough literature out there that says that you're right.

[01:02:06] Now, I am curious. So, I do want to talk about the podcast a little bit.

[01:02:13] Okay.

[01:02:14] So, there are people who are going to be listening to this that are probably thinking about starting a podcast.

[01:02:21] And they want to probably do something similar to what you're doing. I'll even maybe something similar to what I'm doing. What has been you, what do you think the best place

[01:02:32] for somebody to start with that is?

[01:02:34] To start a podcast? Basically, I had no idea what the fuck I was doing.

[01:02:46] So I go back and listen to the old episodes

[01:02:49] and I'm kind of like, hate them.

[01:02:53] They just don't sound good.

[01:02:54] Didn't know what I was doing.

[01:02:55] It was weird to talk to strangers or anything like that,

[01:02:57] especially when you don't,

[01:02:58] I'm not a very outgoing person.

[01:03:00] So if you already have a personality

[01:03:01] where you're like going out and talking to people all the time

[01:03:03] and you never meet a stranger

[01:03:09] It's easier to do that myself as I'm always more of a quiet reserved

[01:03:15] I'm gonna hang in the back of the room and observe it for about else and not be the social butterfly or whatever

[01:03:18] which is strange because

[01:03:22] My old band I'm actually rocking this one of our old shirts I was the vocalist a band So I've always had to be the one on stage talking to people so awkward as general

[01:03:28] I don't like talking to people really but here I am the frontman and hosting a friggin podcast

[01:03:33] but

[01:03:34] Like I said earlier as far as this is the first time I've been face-to-face really for this podcast or as a

[01:03:41] interviewing with people

[01:03:43] but tips wise, a lot of people have been getting these

[01:03:48] the equipment, like the podcasting equipment, the roadcaster and stuff like that. I think

[01:03:54] you want to make sure you have a decent clear enough sound, I think. And this is just me being

[01:04:01] a music person, but I like to have

[01:04:10] Like when you don't have to continually turn each person up like if one person speaking

[01:04:14] And then I guess because I've noticed another podcast and

[01:04:20] Again pet peeve like the person's volume is so low that you have to turn up to hear what they're saying And then that other person comes back on they're super loud and you turn it back down

[01:04:24] drink equal out your saying and then the other person comes back on, they're super loud and you turn it back down, try and equal out your levels.

[01:04:27] And then having a topic,

[01:04:33] like if you wanna do a podcast like this,

[01:04:37] it is so hard to find guests.

[01:04:39] I never thought it would have been as hard as it is

[01:04:41] to find guests.

[01:04:43] Now I advertise every episode.

[01:04:48] It was my voice. And I always say send an email to 10 full hotels podcast,

[01:04:53] gmail.com. I have been contacted through that email.

[01:05:00] Maybe two dozen times.

[01:05:02] I'm in like 70 something episodes now.

[01:05:07] Maybe two dozen times. I'm in like 70 something episodes now, and I've only been emailed by people

[01:05:11] Less than

[01:05:13] 24 times I'd say

[01:05:16] Most of the people I find is because I make post in groups

[01:05:23] Or on Reddit or something like I have to search for the guest at this point going on two years. I thought

[01:05:25] Be contacted by people. I it'd be contacted by people.

[01:05:25] I have been getting contacted by people, but it's not because

[01:05:29] they're listening to the episodes and then they reach out to me.

[01:05:32] The people that contact me is because they see my posts and

[01:05:35] they want to come on the show or they just, you know what I'm

[01:05:37] saying?

[01:05:37] Like it's weird to interview people.

[01:05:40] It's a proactive approach.

[01:05:41] Yeah.

[01:05:42] It's weird for me, like I thought at this point, when I got doing the podcast, I didn't understand,

[01:05:52] it was going to be more of a struggle.

[01:05:54] And I thought, well, everyone's got some sort of weird stories to talk about or whatever.

[01:06:01] I'm sure they've all had something strange.

[01:06:04] Most people don't even want to talk about or whatever. I'm sure they've all had something strange some most people don't even want to

[01:06:06] Talk about I was like well, it's a podcast. No one's gonna see you we can change your name

[01:06:11] like

[01:06:12] Talk about it weird experiences. Just a man in there. Yeah, and then a

[01:06:18] Lot of people they don't I've been they'll comment something. Hey, you want to come on the show nothing

[01:06:23] I've got people booked right now that I'm still trying to get to confirm

[01:06:26] like I get stuff booked a lot and

[01:06:29] A lot of people ghost me. I mean I guess I believe in ghost in the sense that I'm about 50% of my guests are ghosts because they disappear

[01:06:37] People to tip out

[01:06:39] I will say you you you have an impressive catalog of people on there. I saw your post about what you have prerecorded

[01:06:48] and ready to jump whatever you're ready to do it, man.

[01:06:51] It's incredible.

[01:06:51] I've found personally,

[01:06:53] so anyone who actually goes through

[01:06:55] and wants to listen to real-time progression

[01:06:59] of podcast quality to check out our show.

[01:07:02] Cause you will hear our first scattered brand episode with

[01:07:06] terrible audio.

[01:07:08] And then you'll come across our 15th, 16th episode where it

[01:07:11] actually sounds like we know what we're doing.

[01:07:14] Now the, I found the Reddit community in general to be

[01:07:20] extremely helpful, especially when it comes to finding other

[01:07:23] guests and things like that, Because there are, it's a subreddit podcast exchange, our guest pod,

[01:07:30] a guest exchange, somebody that can't remember the top of my head, where we found all of our

[01:07:33] guests and we haven't found any, you know, we've only had, yeah, of the guests we've had, we've had

[01:07:39] two bad experiences where one was not a very good fit for what we do in our show.

[01:07:46] Because our show is personality driven, it is humor driven.

[01:07:52] It is, it is at least one of us taking it seriously and then two of us

[01:07:59] shitting on the rest of the topic.

[01:08:03] And each episode rotates whoever's the serious one. It's not intentional.

[01:08:09] It's just the way our personalities work. But that would be my tip for anybody going out there

[01:08:15] who wants to start one. Check out Reddit. It's a good place to find some gas because there are,

[01:08:22] yeah, as many people as there are who don't want to share their stories.

[01:08:25] There's just as many people out there who do want the world to see who they are

[01:08:29] and who do want to talk about them, even if it's not topic specific.

[01:08:34] Like I know you, you're primarily interview driven.

[01:08:37] We're story driven.

[01:08:39] So that's probably a little bit easier for us to get some interchangeability

[01:08:42] with guest wise because we don't, we don't need you to come on and tell a story. Now granted, I will say your when you came on our show,

[01:08:49] you did a fantastic job telling your story. It was wonderful. And we didn't have to do a lot of

[01:08:55] the work on that one. So we do have that every once in a while. But that would be my tip for

[01:09:00] anybody out there who wants to actually take some time and do that. And then to have a schedule to know what your schedule is so you can have self imposed deadlines

[01:09:10] would be my second tip.

[01:09:12] I suggest, I probably shouldn't say this on air, you can use Reaper as your DAW, whatever

[01:09:21] you want to call it, the edit and mix and stuff like that.

[01:09:24] I don't know what a lot of people use for podcasts.

[01:09:26] I have all this stuff again for music purposes and Reaper is free in the sense that you get

[01:09:36] a free trial and after your 60 days are up, it will ask you if you would like to purchase

[01:09:42] it and if you say you're still evaluating it, they'll let you

[01:09:46] continue to evaluate it for free.

[01:09:50] And it'll just ask you again, if you would like to purchase it,

[01:09:53] and you just keep saying you're still evaluating, because I've

[01:09:55] been evaluating it, because I'm not sure I want to buy it, because

[01:09:57] I've been evaluating it for two years now.

[01:09:59] I'm thinking I'm going to buy it, but I'm just not sure yet.

[01:10:02] Still want to keep evaluating it.

[01:10:04] So Yeah, I've thought about evaluating it myself.

[01:10:08] It's worth evaluating.

[01:10:10] Yes.

[01:10:11] But we use we'll use for heavy edits, which we very rarely do.

[01:10:16] We usually just every once in a while, there'll be a joke that we don't want

[01:10:20] to be associated with that gets made that we'll edit out.

[01:10:22] And yeah. So we'll we'll use Audacity. And then within our, there's a few different platforms,

[01:10:32] but the one that we've been using is called StreamYard. You can't actually edit some of

[01:10:35] that out. It's a pain in the ass. But you can't edit some of the stuff out through the

[01:10:39] platform that you're on.

[01:10:40] Yeah. So I've just been using, I've been used to using stuff like

[01:10:47] Reaper for a long time, just because music and all the other

[01:10:50] stuff.

[01:10:50] So I was already kind of familiar with what needs to happen

[01:10:53] out.

[01:10:53] Things go and there's a lot of little plugins and stuff.

[01:10:57] Someone else suggests I use Audacity.

[01:10:59] So I download it.

[01:11:00] I was like, this stuff looks like it's from 19, like 98 or

[01:11:03] shit.

[01:11:04] It's like, Oh, dude, it screams dial up internet that that tone.

[01:11:10] It feels like it feels like I'm hearing that every time I touch it.

[01:11:14] Now I do.

[01:11:15] It's one of the other things I wanted to ask you about.

[01:11:17] And I love this about your about your show, but I'm always curious.

[01:11:24] Who's the craziest person that you've talked to so far? And are you willing to talk about that on your show, but I'm always curious, like, who's the craziest person that you've talked

[01:11:26] to so far? And are you willing to talk about that on your show? If not, you totally got

[01:11:33] it out. I'm okay with that.

[01:11:35] We can talk about that offer. Okay. No, I don't want to put you on the spotter. And

[01:11:40] then God just listen, I'm like, man, this is some of the stuff's out there. No, I have. I've said it before too. And like, I don't want to offend any of the guests.

[01:11:48] So no, you're good, man. It is what it is. But like, it comes with the territory. Like,

[01:11:53] literally the name is derived from.

[01:11:56] Pen foil hat. Literally people think you're a crazy person.

[01:12:00] Yeah. So now you can show. So on on I'm just assuming you're editing this part

[01:12:05] I mean press B little timestamp that for you press B

[01:12:09] Yeah, if you press B on your keyboard

[01:12:12] Okay

[01:12:13] There'll be a little timestamp in there when you go back to edit it nice

[01:12:17] But well, hey man, I've really enjoyed you taking the time to talk with me tonight

[01:12:21] So I really do appreciate that and not a problem love to have me on

[01:12:26] Joy talking with you guys on your show

[01:12:29] or anyone out there listening

[01:12:31] Or you want to let them know where they can find you guys up?

[01:12:34] Yeah, so we are the founding lore fathers. We are on Spotify Apple in Amazon

[01:12:43] We've got yeah, I think we've got to probably about 18,

[01:12:46] 19 shows recorded.

[01:12:48] We've probably released 17 of them so far.

[01:12:51] It's a fun show.

[01:12:52] If you want to learn fun facts about different cryptids

[01:12:59] or different conspiracy theories,

[01:13:01] it's a good spot to be there.

[01:13:02] And we're not, we do our best not to take ourselves seriously.

[01:13:08] That's a that's something that I've struggled with is I'm too serious. And I'm not a very serious person, which is funny. But like on the show, I come off too serious.

[01:13:22] You have resting serious face, Brandon. Yeah. I have resting. You can't.

[01:13:26] You can't. Literally everyone will ask me what's wrong. Why do you look mad? Like I'm

[01:13:31] not mad. Oh, dude, that sucks, man. That sucks. I feel offended for you. I have permanent

[01:13:37] resting bitch face. There you go. You heard it here forced everybody. I mean, that's a, that's a shame, but not, you know, listening to your show, this isn't,

[01:13:49] this isn't a critique.

[01:13:50] Actually, I find it to be very endearing is that you come on and you let your guests,

[01:13:55] you go, you let your guests talk.

[01:13:57] You don't interfere with it.

[01:13:58] And that's fantastic man.

[01:14:00] So anyway, it says anything negative about that.

[01:14:02] They suck.

[01:14:03] They don't need to be a part of it.

[01:14:04] Anyway, I don't like about that. They suck. They don't need to be a part of it anyway.

[01:14:05] I don't like listening to myself talk anyways.

[01:14:08] I hate sounding my voice.

[01:14:09] So I'm like, I'm just giving them a platform to talk.

[01:14:13] It's all it is.

[01:14:15] You know, I'm actually always shocked when I hear my voice.

[01:14:19] I talk so much you think I'd be used to hearing it.

[01:14:24] But yeah, I don't. I always hear it. I to go wow, that's where I sound like how about that?

[01:14:27] Can't believe people are willing to listen to what I have to say no no one ever sounds like what they think they sound like

[01:14:34] No, not at all man. It's a fun fun little thing that we ought to deal with

[01:14:39] But no, I yeah, hey

[01:14:43] Long as we enjoy what we're doing, all the matters.

[01:14:47] Oh, yes, sir.

[01:14:48] And I wish the best of luck to you and your endeavors in the situation, man.

[01:14:52] Cause you're doing, you're doing really good work.

[01:14:53] I do want to one more point to tell people and you're doing a podcast.

[01:14:58] Do not get over infatuated with the numbers.

[01:15:04] I've noticed a lot of people are struggling with podcasting.

[01:15:09] They think they have to be hitting,

[01:15:10] oh, I'm not getting this many downloads.

[01:15:12] I'm not getting it.

[01:15:14] If you put out good content,

[01:15:16] as long as you keep promoting it,

[01:15:18] which I don't promote anything really.

[01:15:20] So I can't really speak on how well it does,

[01:15:24] but if you put out good content and you can

[01:15:29] be consistent with it, I think eventually it'll start growing.

[01:15:35] My show's just a little piss-ant show, but I've got a little decent little steady stream of downloads or whatever that I get.

[01:15:45] So it's not anything amazing.

[01:15:49] But I know some people start a podcast.

[01:15:52] I think they're supposed to be getting like freaking 10 million downloads a week

[01:15:55] of like, I mean, it would be nice, but.

[01:16:01] Set your goals to a actually something achievable.

[01:16:05] So it's a very, it's actually a very, it's actually a very good but set your goals to actually something achievable.

[01:16:06] So.

[01:16:08] It's actually a very, it's actually a very good point there, Brandon.

[01:16:10] So I know, so we,

[01:16:13] the promotion that we have done for our show

[01:16:17] has been me going online and asking

[01:16:20] for see if anybody wants to listen

[01:16:23] or anyone wants to be a guest, I should say.

[01:16:25] Now, from there,

[01:16:29] then putting it on Spotify and Amazon and Apple has helped,

[01:16:33] but from there, we have been able to garner a pretty decent,

[01:16:37] but I expect for a show that only has less than 20 episodes,

[01:16:41] we've been able to gather a pretty decent little following.

[01:16:44] Yeah.

[01:16:45] And are we Joe Rogan?

[01:16:50] Are we part of my take?

[01:16:52] Absolutely not.

[01:16:53] No.

[01:16:54] And there's very, very small chance that we will ever even look at half those numbers,

[01:16:59] right?

[01:17:00] But we do.

[01:17:01] We have, we have fans in Canada. We have fans in India. We have fans in America.

[01:17:08] There are women who listen to us talk about weird shit on the internet.

[01:17:12] But it happens. And you're right. You shouldn't stress out about that. Like you really, you can't.

[01:17:18] Now you get four or five years into it. You got 10 people listening.

[01:17:24] You know, maybe change it up a bit. You get four or five years into it. You got 10 people listening.

[01:17:27] Maybe change it up a bit. But if you're starting out,

[01:17:30] it's just a matter of grinding through it,

[01:17:34] putting out episodes.

[01:17:35] Like you said, content matters.

[01:17:37] Yeah.

[01:17:38] I said, my numbers,

[01:17:39] if you look at the amount of Spotify followers,

[01:17:42] should they amount of downloads?

[01:17:43] Like there's something wonky about it,

[01:17:45] but that is what it is.

[01:17:47] So.

[01:17:48] And well, we don't see,

[01:17:49] I don't download anything.

[01:17:51] I just listen, I stream it.

[01:17:52] And so that adds into that.

[01:17:55] So I know I'm one of your followers,

[01:17:56] but you probably don't see any of my downloads

[01:17:58] because I don't download anything.

[01:18:00] I just listen.

[01:18:00] I don't know if they count downloads or streams

[01:18:03] as a stream.

[01:18:03] That's what's strange.

[01:18:04] Like it's a, I just listen. I don't know if they count downloads or streams as a street. That's what's strange like

[01:18:08] it's a

[01:18:14] I know when I switched platforms I went from RSS to red circle

[01:18:17] I've been getting a lot more quote-unquote

[01:18:19] downloads Instantly since I switched hosting services. I don't know how that's possible because everything's been the same

[01:18:24] The different hosts. I don't know how that's possible, because everything's been the same.

[01:18:25] It's a different host,

[01:18:25] so I don't know where they come up with their numbers.

[01:18:30] Like I literally like doubled my downloads

[01:18:35] and like just literally switching over by one day.

[01:18:37] The million mail stuff just started doubling.

[01:18:39] It's kind of weird.

[01:18:41] Yeah, maybe they work out extremes

[01:18:43] instead of the actual downloads, rather. I have no

[01:18:47] idea how it works. But that's all I got for anyone out there. If

[01:18:51] you have any other questions or whatever, don't ask me because

[01:18:56] I'm a Joe No buddy. Well, there you go, man. You can reach out

[01:19:02] to us. You can find us somewhere. Just leave a comment somewhere on all that.

[01:19:07] But again, I hope you enjoy your night Brandon.

[01:19:10] Thanks for having me again.

[01:19:11] Not a problem.

[01:19:12] Thanks for coming in and talking with me.

[01:19:13] You have a good night.

[01:19:15] Remember, the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make.

[01:19:24] Stay curious, stay open minded.

[01:19:26] Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep

[01:19:30] seeking, and keep exploring the unknown.

[01:19:32] Good night, everyone. Thanks for watching!