Ep. 71: Chemtrails, MK Ultra, EchoPlex Media

[00:00:00] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there.

[00:00:06] I was done.

[00:00:07] I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:00:12] The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest.

[00:00:19] When I turned my headlights on it turned and looked at us and one of the things I remember

[00:00:27] the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:00:31] I see an orb of light.

[00:00:34] It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:00:39] And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.

[00:00:45] They're basically like, what are you talking about?

[00:00:51] That's seven foot up on a tree peeking around it.

[00:00:54] And that's where I saw the top of a muzzle, nose,

[00:00:57] and the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,

[00:01:00] it felt like death.

[00:01:05] Welcome back to Tim Foil Tails. Welcome back to 10 foil tells.

[00:01:08] I'm your host Brandon Wright.

[00:01:10] Tonight we're going to be joined by Dave from Echo Plex Media.

[00:01:14] It'll be a little bit of a different type of conversation that we normally do

[00:01:17] around here.

[00:01:18] It won't so much be about experience or anything like that, but kind of dive

[00:01:22] into those conspiracies and some of the bad things that go on with people that fall into these conspiracies. Before we bring Dave on though,

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[00:02:41] Like, take this time to welcome my guests tonight.

[00:02:44] Producer Dave from Echoplex Media.

[00:02:46] Thanks for coming on your talk with me.

[00:02:48] Oh, thanks for having me on.

[00:02:49] So you obviously have your own little podcast like mine and everything else.

[00:02:54] So what is it that you kind of talk about?

[00:02:58] We're a Twitch streamers primarily.

[00:03:01] We do release stuff as podcasts and that's where we started.

[00:03:05] We sort of hit a roof sort of on our community

[00:03:08] and our following.

[00:03:09] So we had to do something and we ended up on Twitch.

[00:03:11] We have a bunch of shows,

[00:03:12] but the stuff that pertains to what you're talking about,

[00:03:15] we like to talk about cults and high demand,

[00:03:18] high control groups and conspiracy theories.

[00:03:22] Like on Friday, we do a show called conspiracy bingo.

[00:03:25] But oftentimes we see similarities

[00:03:29] in conspiracy communities with some of what we see

[00:03:32] in cults and high control and high demand groups.

[00:03:34] So that kind of crosses over.

[00:03:37] Yeah, there's about a few episodes with cults

[00:03:40] and stuff like that too.

[00:03:41] There's always an over underlying common theme

[00:03:44] it seems like when it comes to stuff like that. And There's always an over underlying common theme it seems

[00:03:45] like when it comes to stuff like that. And then I know there's a lot of conspiracies here lately

[00:03:50] with certain groups and everything else that think there's certain things going on over which I'm

[00:03:54] not going to say there are aren't but there's a lot of cult vibes in certain groups of that way too.

[00:04:01] So yeah, I mean, my interest in cults primarily comes from in like 2004, 2005, a good friend

[00:04:07] of mine ran off to clear water to join the Scientology mothership.

[00:04:11] And so I've been fascinated with cult of Scientology ever since then.

[00:04:16] That's a need midget to it on one of my previous episodes that that's what I wanted to discuss

[00:04:22] by on being canceled by the specific group

[00:04:25] because I know how they can be.

[00:04:28] So, but now that's a,

[00:04:30] I, you know, maybe we can get into it a little bit later, but the anti-syontology community

[00:04:34] oftentimes operates like a cult to where they have a little bit of in group out route mentality

[00:04:39] going on and little, little bit of a lack of looking in the mirror at their own behavior

[00:04:44] going on within that

[00:04:45] community as well.

[00:04:46] Yeah, I think religions in general for the most part, they all typically have some cult

[00:04:52] vibes to them one way or the other.

[00:04:54] Well, there's a joke right that a cult becomes a religion when they kill a few million people

[00:04:59] and force their beliefs on millions more.

[00:05:02] Yeah. So, you got a, you said you said some stuff you

[00:05:09] want to talk about. So you want to jump on into it and go right ahead.

[00:05:13] Yeah, the name of your show is Tin foil tales. So I thought I'd tell a Tin foil tale if

[00:05:17] that's okay with you. Oh, perfectly fine with me.

[00:05:20] So this is about a guy named Michael J Murphy. People might have seen him if they saw him in like popular media on the Joe Rogan show,

[00:05:29] Joe Rogan questions everything.

[00:05:31] It was a show that Joe did about chemtrails, harp and I guess more gallons.

[00:05:36] I don't know if you're familiar with more gallons.

[00:05:39] No, I'm not.

[00:05:40] Well, don't don't go down the road pole.

[00:05:42] Not worth your time.

[00:05:44] And this isn't about his appearance

[00:05:45] on Joe Rogan. This is about Michael Murphy's life and his unfortunate passing. I guess I'll start at

[00:05:52] the beginning in 2010. This guy Michael Murphy put out this movie called What in the World Are

[00:05:56] They Spring? Obviously a movie about chemtrails to somewhat great fanfare. People now call him

[00:06:03] like the godfather of the chemtrails movement.

[00:06:06] And then a couple of years later,

[00:06:07] he put out a movie called Why in the World Are They Spring

[00:06:09] to much less fanfare because it was basically

[00:06:11] just a remixed version of the first movie

[00:06:13] with a lot of the same footage.

[00:06:16] And now when you look at any chemtrails documentary,

[00:06:19] if you were to look at them,

[00:06:20] they'd have a lot of the same footage

[00:06:21] that you would have seen in What in the World Are They Spring?

[00:06:24] A lot of it from the media and some of it that Michael took himself.

[00:06:27] And I think why in the world are they spraying came out in 2014 if I'm not mistaken.

[00:06:32] But if we were to fast forward to 2016, Michael J Murphy raised about 15 grand for

[00:06:38] a documentary that he was going to call unconventional gray and then he disappeared.

[00:06:44] Word on the street with that he had raised

[00:06:46] money in 2014 and disappeared, but I really can't confirm that because a lot of this stuff

[00:06:50] is happening on Facebook groups and pages that got purged or that people deleted themselves.

[00:06:57] After Michael took the money in 2016, he made his first post, a weird post about the supposed

[00:07:03] fraud committed against him by members of his family

[00:07:05] regarding Murphy oil, and we couldn't really confirm

[00:07:08] that he had anything to do with anything called Murphy oil.

[00:07:12] And then shortly after that, it was discovered he had lost

[00:07:14] his housing and was living on the streets

[00:07:16] of Inglewood, California.

[00:07:18] He was making Facebook live posts about all manner

[00:07:21] of unhinged things ranging from Mariah Carey

[00:07:23] being in danger and him saving her life to a Saudi princess being tortured within earshots of his camp. Pretty

[00:07:30] strange stuff. The chemtrails community were saying that it wasn't him. So we reached

[00:07:37] out to him and we had an interview we spoke with him in August of 2016 like four or five

[00:07:43] months into this, I guess, episode,

[00:07:46] he took confirm that it was the same person making those posts and it was indeed him.

[00:07:50] So the interview was very difficult. He rambled on about this Murphy oil thing and he was like,

[00:07:54] really kind of hard to pin down. But we did figure out that these, this was not like a

[00:07:58] clone as the chemtrail community was saying. After that, they decided that he was actually an MK Ultra victim and

[00:08:07] that he because he'd gotten to the country too close to the truth, or that the government

[00:08:11] was forcing him to use math because he had gotten too close to the truth. And his wild

[00:08:15] posts continued through about March of 2020. And in the comments of these posts, there

[00:08:19] were basically three kinds of people. His chemtrail fans who kept telling him he was

[00:08:22] MK Ultrad, Charles making fun of his wild claims, and then there were concerned friends and family members

[00:08:28] like begging him to get some help. Over time, two of these groups converged, but it wasn't really

[00:08:34] what you would expect, right? Actually, the Trolls ended up joining the concerned friends and family

[00:08:39] member telling him he needs to seek some help, and the chemtrails people insisted the people

[00:08:44] telling him to get help were actually part of the MK Ultra harassment. They decided he was being subjected

[00:08:48] to around March 2020. His page bed at least sickly went dark. There's speculation that he had gone

[00:08:54] to rehab with help from family. We were unable to confirm that. In July of 2020, my coast and I

[00:09:00] found out live on the air that Michael J. Murphy had passed away. And to this day, our article about his passing is the only thing written about it, really.

[00:09:08] The conspiracy movement that claimed to have loved the guy literally had nothing to say

[00:09:12] about his passing after he passed away.

[00:09:15] So that was my short tin foil tale.

[00:09:18] So they think obviously he went to MK Ultra and then his ramblies and everything are over basically

[00:09:26] being led on by that.

[00:09:27] But the community he built that followed him once he passed away didn't have anything

[00:09:34] to say about it.

[00:09:35] Oh, they'll still cite his movie.

[00:09:38] And oftentimes I'll see people citing him as if he's like present day still with us.

[00:09:48] I'm surprised they haven't made it sound like he was actually killed off by the government.

[00:09:50] I am too.

[00:09:51] I don't think he was killed off by the government, but I'm

[00:09:54] surprised that that hasn't been the case, you know, that you

[00:09:57] would think that that's what they would do.

[00:09:59] That's not what I'm kind of surprised because I know how

[00:10:02] groups go and how the conspiracy things go.

[00:10:03] And I'm kind of a, I wouldn how groups go and how the conspiracy things go and I'm kind of a

[00:10:07] I wouldn't say I'm a conspiracy theorist to an extent, but like there's I don't necessarily always believe the cover story because

[00:10:14] It's just how I am and never have believed it even before I did a podcast or anything like that like that's just

[00:10:21] kind of my mentality about certain things and

[00:10:31] I've been on some of these groups and I've seen how people act and I've seen how people where their minds go.

[00:10:33] So it is surprising to me that no one's made a big deal about his death.

[00:10:38] So I think what happened when he largely disappeared in March of 2020, I think

[00:10:43] they just kind of forgot about him.

[00:10:42] largely disappeared in March of 2020. I think they just kind of forgot about him.

[00:10:48] I think we found out about him

[00:10:50] is death from a group that used to belong

[00:10:53] to chemtrails people, it was called chemtrails

[00:10:55] or killing us on Facebook with a bunch of exclamation points.

[00:10:58] But those people being the brain geniuses,

[00:11:01] they are a bunch of trolls were able to gain control of that group and now it is a honeypot so to speak

[00:11:10] But there was you know the news that was where we found that well

[00:11:13] I don't think we found it. I think somebody in our chat on twitch was like hey, you know

[00:11:17] Can you can I DM you on discord or whatever and they kind of holds what happened? I?

[00:11:22] Know there's

[00:11:23] whatever and they kind of hope to what happened. I know there's obviously March of 2020 was a pretty chaotic month.

[00:11:29] I was the beginning of the whole lockdown era.

[00:11:32] So maybe that's what I figured.

[00:11:35] Maybe that's where some of the people are looking into the conspiracy

[00:11:39] because they had nothing better to do.

[00:11:41] So it's kind of strange that they all just kind of forgot about it.

[00:11:43] But I guess whether they else going on in the world, they just overlooked it.

[00:11:47] So the other thing, and it wasn't in my notes, but by this time, by like maybe

[00:11:54] right before COVID, we were starting to notice that online, especially on

[00:11:58] Facebook, where these people congregated, the chemtrails movement, it's sort of

[00:12:02] like fizzled in a way that because like QAnon was getting so big,

[00:12:06] I think a lot of the creators that were making content about chemtrails either got sucked into

[00:12:11] that or if they didn't get sucked into that, they kind of got left behind because QAnon was

[00:12:15] like a medic conspiracy that included things like chemtrails if you wanted it to. And so the people

[00:12:21] that were only talking about chemtrails weren't talking about, you know, the tunnels under the Getty or the mole children or whatever it was. So I think they

[00:12:29] just, I think a lot of those people lost their audience. And as they started to lose their

[00:12:34] audiences, I believe because the pie started shrinking. And I think those some of those

[00:12:37] people were relying on things like patreon or other kinds of donations. I think they ended

[00:12:43] up having nobody to be mad at.

[00:12:46] And so they started getting mad at each other and they started sniping at each other. And there's a

[00:12:49] lot of infighting. I think a lot of these conspiracy things like even with Q and all this other stuff,

[00:12:56] I think the person that makes it and then from there, grifters hop in there and start making their

[00:13:01] own radical claims and it just keeps spiraling like spiraling out of control from that point.

[00:13:08] There's something right now that being my friend kind of joke around about it here

[00:13:13] and there he'll send me a new clip or whatever.

[00:13:14] I don't really pay attention to it because I think it's all bullshit.

[00:13:17] But there's a countdown clock and it's a cue official.

[00:13:22] I was like, oh, he's official.

[00:13:24] And I say he, I don't know what it is, but every time there's a countdown,

[00:13:30] and then another countdown starts after that next one, like it's always big terms.

[00:13:34] Like the end of the world is now and then counts down for like five days.

[00:13:37] And then all of a sudden, it's not the end of the world when it goes to something

[00:13:39] else. Like this is ridiculous.

[00:13:41] And it reminds me of Jesus coming back.

[00:13:43] If you remember the rapture was supposed to happen in 2012.

[00:13:46] Yeah, I made that reference to it.

[00:13:48] I was like, it's almost like we're waiting for Jesus

[00:13:51] to come back like the Christianity and everyone else's beliefs.

[00:13:54] Like God's coming back.

[00:13:54] Jesus is coming back and like the Messiah is returning.

[00:13:57] I'm like, every time it doesn't happen,

[00:13:59] they keep pushing that a clock back a little bit.

[00:14:02] Finally, people on Twitter are starting to harass the guy. Every time he folks up something new, because nothing's happened for the last

[00:14:08] couple of months that he's been posting stuff.

[00:14:10] You know, Twitter, what it is, I'm surprised that it took, I'm surprised he used the word

[00:14:14] finally before you started talking about anybody being hassled on Twitter.

[00:14:18] Well, at first there was people, there's some on there still believing it, but for the most part, I've been noticing now that's all people giving in shit. But there's been a I'm the type of

[00:14:32] person that I'm going to look into things a little bit deeper than probably the average

[00:14:35] person. So I went to the host of the website that is from and it's just a hosting service.

[00:14:42] Like you can go through the source coding and everything. And I found out it's just

[00:14:44] like one of those typical, not a go daddy,

[00:14:46] but one of those typical websites you used to get a website from.

[00:14:49] And then the followers that he follows on Twitter are all like Instagram models and stuff.

[00:14:56] Like they're all like half naked women are really pretty girl.

[00:14:59] They're stuff like, I was like, is this dude here trying to spread like super information and light

[00:15:04] in the world? He's only wanting to follow these like good looking women's like, he's just some frigging

[00:15:10] basement dwelling neck beard guy most likely thinks he's cool because he's out here posting

[00:15:14] a bunch of crap.

[00:15:15] Or do you think maybe the, and I don't think the strategy would work, but do you think

[00:15:18] the strategy of trying to follow all these influencers, influencers is hopes that these

[00:15:22] influencers follow him back and share his work

[00:15:26] Possibly I thought about that, but it's like I

[00:15:29] don't know I

[00:15:30] Just kind of keep going back to the whole

[00:15:33] Troll vibe. He's just trolling people. Yeah, I feel like it's more or less all the whole thing kind of goes to he's got a

[00:15:41] Website and like I think there's a patreon on there

[00:15:43] It's like who would be paying this Like, you're not even getting any information,

[00:15:45] but why would you donate money to this person?

[00:15:48] Or whatever, it actually, I don't know.

[00:15:50] Big sci-op possibly.

[00:15:51] You'd be surprised at what kinds of things people actually

[00:15:55] are able to monetize, though.

[00:15:56] I mean, you probably wouldn't be surprised.

[00:15:58] You said you've been looking into this stuff.

[00:16:00] So it's kind of not surprising sometimes.

[00:16:02] Well, the first couple of times it's surprising.

[00:16:05] And then you look at somebody's Patreon and you're like,

[00:16:06] yeah, of course they're making five random on this,

[00:16:09] whatever you're like, yeah, this makes sense.

[00:16:11] This tracks.

[00:16:12] Yeah.

[00:16:14] I set up a Patreon recently and I'm doing like

[00:16:16] to add free stuff and I was gonna do some bonus content

[00:16:19] for anyone, the one with the join.

[00:16:20] And I had one subscriber and then they cancel instantly

[00:16:24] because they didn't mean to join

[00:16:26] this 10 foil tells because the there's another 10 foil tells from Australia, I guess, and

[00:16:31] it talks about some weird movement they got going on out there. I was like, no, I'm not

[00:16:35] that same. I'm not that person. So they meant to join these two ladies podcast and then

[00:16:39] they tried to file a thing and want their money back. I was like, I don't have anything

[00:16:44] to do with any of that stuff.

[00:16:45] So I don't know whatever happened with it.

[00:16:46] But like mine's literally $1.99 a month.

[00:16:49] So like I'm making any money and I have no subscribers on it currently.

[00:16:53] Yeah.

[00:16:54] And that's funny because when you first reached out, that's what I thought it was.

[00:16:56] Cause I have a lot of.

[00:16:59] We, we, jokingly in our Twitch community, we call them the Australian day

[00:17:03] drinking team because our shows are like, you know,

[00:17:06] started seven or nine.

[00:17:07] And so that's like the afternoon tomorrow in Australia.

[00:17:10] And there's a lot of Aussies in there

[00:17:11] and they're always drinking during my shows.

[00:17:13] So I do in fact check out the other

[00:17:17] TinFoila tell show, it's actually pretty good.

[00:17:19] I've never listened to it.

[00:17:20] I didn't even know it existed until last year

[00:17:22] when I started getting all these messages

[00:17:24] from people from Australia asking me what I thought about this person

[00:17:28] and what about I was like, I have no idea what the hell they're talking about. So then I did

[00:17:33] a surge of like, well, apparently I'm not the only 10 foil tells out there, but it is what it is.

[00:17:38] Yeah, they in Australia, you probably learned they call them cookers, right?

[00:17:44] All the best slang, at least from like English speaking countries either comes from Australia

[00:17:49] and Northern Ireland and I know the Irish would quibble with the fact that I think they speak

[00:17:53] English, but still that's where all the best slang comes from.

[00:17:56] I guess I've never really checked out the episodes or any other episodes or even listened

[00:18:01] to them so I could even tell you what they saw and the like or anything about it.

[00:18:03] Like I just, I do my thing and that's about it. I don't even really listen to very many other podcasts.

[00:18:08] It's just, I don't want to be influenced by anybody else or anything about it. So like there's a couple

[00:18:13] ones that I've listened to and that's the ones I've really ever listened to. And I just kind of

[00:18:18] stay in that sort of thing. I might check out some stuff here or there. Like I'll check out

[00:18:21] an episode of someone else special if they're coming on the show or whatever but as far as like I don't have enough time to be 100%

[00:18:28] I don't have enough time the day to be checking out all these different shows and listen to all

[00:18:33] these things I might check out like I said an episode here or there but besides doing what I'm

[00:18:38] doing I have another podcast that I do too so it's hard to manage time and then everything else

[00:18:42] working full-time job in that family Oh, what's your other chef?

[00:18:46] It's called dark side of the scene

[00:18:48] It's not anything related to what we do here

[00:18:51] But I used to be in a band like a metal band and my co-host on that when he's in a band now

[00:18:57] It's how we know each other's from band stuff and we interview other musicians and talk about

[00:19:01] Some of the crazy things they've happened had to them, like trying to play music like bad gear, getting stolen,

[00:19:08] getting ripped off by recording artists or all sorts of horses

[00:19:13] or anything you could think of as kind of screwed up with the music industry

[00:19:16] we kind of talk about.

[00:19:17] No, it's on hiatus, but we have a local music show where we interview local bands.

[00:19:22] Yeah, it's kind of basically what we do every week.

[00:19:25] We bring on a new member from some band from wherever we've had stuff from Australia,

[00:19:31] England, where other countries.

[00:19:35] And we let them come on there, talk about their current stuff, stuff that they've experienced

[00:19:40] by playing music.

[00:19:41] And then at the end of every episode, we play one of their most recent songs that they

[00:19:44] got wanted to share.

[00:19:45] So it's kind of free promotion for the bands.

[00:19:50] Yeah, over the over the course of doing that local music show, we've collected, I don't know, almost 2000 songs by local bands.

[00:19:56] And so instead of infringing on someone's copyright, when I have to take a break during stream, I just played music.

[00:20:01] I have permission to play.

[00:20:02] So now people from all over the world that watch my Twitch stream are like into local bands from like San Jose.

[00:20:08] So that's pretty cool actually. You know, that's cool. I just had a I haven't been

[00:20:14] keeping up with lately, but we months I figure early are I made a Spotify playlist. So everyone

[00:20:21] that's come on the show and they give us music or whatever. I always add up to our playlist.

[00:20:24] So people can have download that playlist and listen to the bands on there.

[00:20:29] Not a bad idea, especially if you're trying to pitch somebody, you're like, hey, you know,

[00:20:32] we're going to add you to this Spotify playlist. And, you know, we have this many followers on

[00:20:36] the playlist or whatever. But it's a tough egg to crack too, though, getting like followers on

[00:20:40] a spot by playlist is probably harder than getting people to listen to your podcast.

[00:20:49] That podcast started real strong. And then it kind kind of petered off. We just started season two last week and we are doing live streams on Wednesdays. So that's why my schedule is kind of tight

[00:20:56] because every Wednesday now we've got stuff booked for that. And it's actually live streams. So people

[00:21:00] will actually watch and stuff on there. It's kind of awkward at first, but at the same time,

[00:21:06] like we did the first one last week for season two,

[00:21:09] and we had like, I don't know, maybe 12 people's tops

[00:21:13] on there watching.

[00:21:14] I mean, it is what it is, but they were asking questions

[00:21:17] and comments, so a little bit more interactive beforehand.

[00:21:19] We were all just audio so that you couldn't see it

[00:21:22] or anything because literally just listened to the podcast

[00:21:24] episode, so trying a little bit different for this upcoming season.

[00:21:29] Yeah, we did local love as a live in person show from 2016 until like basically the pandemic.

[00:21:38] And then it took us a while to get our remote stuff set up properly.

[00:21:43] And then that just, that just became such a huge pain in the ass.

[00:21:47] And like it wasn't doing very well at all

[00:21:49] compared to our other content.

[00:21:51] So now like maybe once a month,

[00:21:53] I'll interview like a person,

[00:21:56] like the singer of a band who has more to talk about

[00:21:59] than just like, oh, you know, what's your band?

[00:22:01] When's your next show, that kind of stuff?

[00:22:03] Cause that got really repetitive really fast. And I think that's why that show, like you know, what's your band? When's your next show? That kind of stuff. Because that got really repetitive really fast. And I think that's why that show,

[00:22:06] like you said, it started off stronger than our other content. And then because it was so

[00:22:11] repetitive, because it was just about, you know, a local band, and they want to go on there and

[00:22:16] tell you about their band. Well, that's fine. But that's the same thing weekend and week out for

[00:22:20] somebody listening and they get kind of tiring for the listener, you know, as being someone in

[00:22:24] bands, I also understand that most people, at least in our

[00:22:27] area, don't give two craps about local music or bands.

[00:22:30] So they don't want to listen to the stories from the bands.

[00:22:34] If they don't want to listen to the bands of music, or they want to come to the

[00:22:36] podcast about the people talking about their band.

[00:22:39] Yeah, I mean, we found that when people would tune in,

[00:22:49] and it would be a third of the attraction or maybe a quarter that the other shows were getting,

[00:22:51] and it wasn't people from the local scene.

[00:22:53] It was people from that had just watched our other content

[00:22:57] who had come along because they're like,

[00:22:59] oh, well, I'll just hang out.

[00:23:00] I hang out on this channel anyway.

[00:23:01] Let's see what this band has to say.

[00:23:03] That was cool and all, but like, you know, the bands sometimes were a little

[00:23:08] disappointed because they, you know, be like, Oh, cool.

[00:23:10] You have this, you know, your channel is kind of cracking and people are having

[00:23:13] a good time on there.

[00:23:14] You know, they'd watch, you know, conspiracy bingo or whatever.

[00:23:17] And then they'd come on and chat would just be dad.

[00:23:20] And it was like kind of kind of a bad experience.

[00:23:22] I think sometimes for some of the bands, you know?

[00:23:25] Mm hmm.

[00:23:26] So what made you want to do the show that you do?

[00:23:29] Like what the conspiracy and everything,

[00:23:31] what kind of led you to that?

[00:23:33] We started with one show that was like a news show kind of

[00:23:37] and it was like audio only and it wasn't why.

[00:23:40] And then we were focused on like extremism and conspiracy, but like one show a week just

[00:23:47] didn't do it.

[00:23:48] And what kind of actually happened, honestly, like we had we'd already hit Twitch and we

[00:23:54] were doing some video stuff.

[00:23:56] I was starting to figure out cameras and whatnot.

[00:23:58] And you know, the audio was the audio was good.

[00:24:01] Everything was ready.

[00:24:02] The video was like kind of an afterthought.

[00:24:03] It was almost just like a podcast, you know, people's cameras were on their faces and stuff, but it wasn't

[00:24:08] like, there wasn't like the thing. And then, um, pandemic hit, I kind of wanted to quit

[00:24:15] my job anyway. And so I was just like, well, if I'm going to jump now is the time. And

[00:24:21] so I had to start, you know, focusing on that and focusing on building the Twitch community and hoping that the lines where I run out of like money and the project that I'm doing makes enough money to support me, hoping that those lines crossed in Friday, it started out being a show in the afternoon.

[00:24:47] And then I stopped doing it in the afternoon simply because during the summer, it gets kind of hot here.

[00:24:53] I was like, well, maybe we should do the show at night.

[00:24:57] And that's sort of it, you know, it just came out of everything we do kind of come came out of the Sunday show.

[00:25:04] We do, which is a new show and it still is, but there's other shows that came out of it.

[00:25:09] Like tonight after this, I have a local news show that I do Wednesday.

[00:25:12] I do a show called the intellectual Dollar Tree because the women that were co-hosting

[00:25:17] my new show got tired of hearing about these sort of public intellectual kind of galaxy

[00:25:23] brain fedora wearing guys.

[00:25:25] And so we've spun off a show about that.

[00:25:26] And the cults in Satanic Panic show that talks about Scientology in the 80s, Satanic Panic

[00:25:32] was because we were interested in Scientology and that stuff was starting to take up a

[00:25:36] little more time than it should have on Sunday.

[00:25:38] So it all kind of just came out of the one show.

[00:25:43] You haven't had any issues with your stuff not being published,

[00:25:46] have you published?

[00:25:48] I'm not not sure what you're asking.

[00:25:50] Like, uh, I had a video that YouTube refuses to allow on there

[00:25:55] because of the content that was put on there.

[00:25:57] It wasn't anything bad other than without, without fully mentioning it,

[00:26:03] basically, uh basically during that whole

[00:26:06] 2020 to 2021 era,

[00:26:11] when they made people have the,

[00:26:14] make sure they had all their fruits and vegetables

[00:26:16] and their shots and everything else.

[00:26:18] They, the guy had mentioned,

[00:26:22] his mom had had all that,

[00:26:23] but she still passed away of the thing that was happening.

[00:26:28] And they flagged my episode and banned it.

[00:26:31] And I wasn't allowed to be on there and they threatened to demonetize anything, which I wasn't monetized.

[00:26:35] I'm still not monetized on there, but because I was spreading false information.

[00:26:43] So I didn't know if you're doing anything conspiracy wise,

[00:26:45] if you've had any issues with things being published because of the topic you talk about.

[00:26:50] Like I've already ran into that. And I've only been I was like, and then the first like

[00:26:55] couple wants to be doing a podcast.

[00:26:57] So YouTube and Facebook, yes. Which no, I haven't really messed with Twitch.

[00:27:05] I don't really know a whole lot about it.

[00:27:06] So, um, the thing, the thing that happens at Twitch, and I don't know, they just fired

[00:27:13] a bunch of people.

[00:27:14] So this may not be the case anymore.

[00:27:16] But when you get a little no, no notice from them, you can actually reply to it and ask

[00:27:21] like, well, what's going on here?

[00:27:23] How, how, what's going on?

[00:27:24] Like what, what seems to be the problem?

[00:27:27] And usually the no-no notice is gonna be

[00:27:29] from an automated system,

[00:27:30] but you do get a hold of a real person.

[00:27:32] And I just talk to the real person

[00:27:35] and I kind of explain what we're doing.

[00:27:37] And I'm like, you know, we're actually, you know,

[00:27:40] making fun of these conspiracy videos.

[00:27:42] We are, if you look at my chat, you look at,

[00:27:44] you know, what my co-hosts are saying,

[00:27:46] everybody, we are not endorsing these messages.

[00:27:49] Person is like, yeah, I took a five minute look at your thing.

[00:27:51] This is not, you are not endorsing these messages.

[00:27:54] And so I haven't been messed with since.

[00:27:59] Um, far as YouTube goes, I'm just fully prepared to lose my YouTube channel.

[00:28:03] I don't, I don't make me money on YouTube. I've never been able to crack the code there and I don't focus on it in any

[00:28:10] sort of meaningful way. So I don't really specify towards YouTube or anything like that. So the

[00:28:16] hosting service was just the automatically up loop for me. So I leave it on there and I've gotten

[00:28:22] a steady stream. But you have to have at least, I think a thousand

[00:28:26] subscribers before you can start generating any sort of money from there. And I'm only

[00:28:31] all like 600 and so on. Which yeah. And I mean, I'm confident that due to the nature of my content,

[00:28:36] everything I put up even because, you know, we lost a YouTube channel because we were covering,

[00:28:42] I lost a YouTube channel on my local news show, because we covered a local local city council meeting that was done via Zoom. So

[00:28:51] people from all over the country were calling in this Zoom line and like spreading medical

[00:28:58] misinformation. And we were covering it. And I just uploaded the episode of down ballot

[00:29:03] is normal. And then I uploaded the post of down ballot is normal. And when I uploaded

[00:29:05] the post game from down ballot, because we got more into that. And then a couple highlights

[00:29:10] that we got a whole highlights we thought were, you know, worthwhile. We're put up on

[00:29:15] YouTube, like our community helped us find them. And boom, that was three strikes. And

[00:29:19] we love the channel.

[00:29:20] Yeah, so far, I've only got the. I've actually thought I might have a couple more here eventually, but whatever reason they didn't actually hit me. So I was kind of shocked. There's a

[00:29:36] I don't understand the algorithm when it comes to YouTube. So this last week, when we relaunched the channel, I put it on a channel that I have,

[00:29:49] like I pay for like email and cloud store, I put it on that account. And so we did get a,

[00:29:55] we did get a strike from them. I just hit them up on Twitter. And I was like, hey, I was like,

[00:30:02] you know, and then they said, oh, we'll get back to you, we'll get back, hey, I was like, you know, and then they they said,

[00:30:05] Oh, we'll get back to you. We'll get back to you. And I said, you know, this is an account that I

[00:30:09] pay for and then I pay for cloud storage and pay for my email here. And if you look into the

[00:30:14] account, you'll also see that I have clients here. And you know, it wouldn't be wouldn't be great

[00:30:18] if you removed my sort of remove in my videos for being critical of this very thing that I find on your website

[00:30:26] because I might suggest to my clients that they use different services for their cloud

[00:30:31] services and email.

[00:30:35] And they said, oh, we made a mistake and they put my video back.

[00:30:38] Well, it was a live video which auto-unpublishes anyway.

[00:30:40] I don't want my live stuff up on YouTube.

[00:30:44] I want to choose what's up there, but they removed the strike.

[00:30:47] And I don't know if it was that they finally got a human to look at it or if they were like, uh, uh, uh,

[00:30:53] we were joking around last week on the other podcast.

[00:30:56] My cohost was he had guitar oil for like strings or whatever.

[00:31:01] And he kept having a lighter.

[00:31:02] You just dig around and say to smoke and crack.

[00:31:04] And then I was like, well, I gotta get this band on the YouTube because I'm going to be smoking

[00:31:08] crack on live, uh, live stream, but never out of flag for that one either. So I, like I said, I don't,

[00:31:15] I don't understand how any of that stuff works. I just, I do a podcast because I don't do band

[00:31:21] stuff. And I interview people about weird things that happen to them or things they've experienced or

[00:31:27] conspiracy or whatever kind of floats into that a realm of

[00:31:31] topic. So I don't really, like I said, when it comes to anything

[00:31:35] when it for monetization and all that other stuff, that was never

[00:31:39] any part of the reason why I wanted to do a podcast to me. It was

[00:31:42] just something to do.

[00:31:44] Well, I had to figure out how to monetize better very quickly. So I've done a good job. Mostly,

[00:31:52] mostly merch, honestly. I do a really good job, not just creating, but like marketing

[00:31:57] merch and a fourth wall or a merch provider. I've been a really good partner. That's why I'm

[00:32:01] like really lucky. I've thought about it, but at the same time, it's like

[00:32:08] the podcast is slowly growing. I think it just says I'm

[00:32:13] I got a I don't know anything about listen notes or whatever, but I've seen people post this. I checked

[00:32:17] it out and it's like I was a top 10 podcast and I just got something the other day. So I'm on the

[00:32:22] top five podcasts. Like I guess that's good. I don I don't know like I said, I don't market the podcast

[00:32:27] I don't advertise the podcast is a little bit all the grassroots of my end because it's just something that I do

[00:32:32] It was like I'm making anything from it, so

[00:32:36] Yeah, I'm I'll just tell you straight up doing it like full-time is hard like it's

[00:32:41] constant

[00:32:42] constant work for

[00:32:45] It's constant, constant work for, it's just constant work.

[00:32:48] Because you can't, you know, like I can't go live and have nothing, right?

[00:32:51] Yeah, yeah, that's something to go with,

[00:32:53] discuss or just something to talk about.

[00:32:54] Otherwise it's gonna be you on there.

[00:32:56] People watching you can try to mix shit up.

[00:32:58] Or just, you know, I've seen channels where people

[00:33:01] who are better at it or whatever,

[00:33:03] just talk with their chat.

[00:33:04] And we've done that a couple of times. We've seen channels where people who are better at it or whatever, just talk with their chat.

[00:33:05] And we've done that a couple of times.

[00:33:07] But that always ends up with the chat is like, well, hey, actually, I found this thing and

[00:33:12] I want you to take a look at it.

[00:33:14] And so it ends up being just like a normal show where the chat like generates the content

[00:33:20] or the links.

[00:33:21] I've debated on trying to do something like a live stream on this for something. But I don't know. Like I said, I don't know how interactive any of the listeners

[00:33:28] actually would be because I don't get really get very many reviews wrote down like the

[00:33:33] five star review or anything like that either. So it's like, I've gotten a couple. But then I

[00:33:39] look at my numbers and I do decent numbers for the podcast where I think's decent for what I do.

[00:33:43] numbers and I do decent numbers for the podcast where I think decent for what I do. And I don't know, like, I don't know how

[00:33:48] to have that interaction with the audience, I guess I've asked

[00:33:50] for feedback from them and I don't hear anything. So it's

[00:33:52] like whatever. Oh, I imagine if I were to go back and look at

[00:33:57] our first few like live streams on Twitch, I would imagine that

[00:34:00] we didn't know we were doing either, you know, I guess

[00:34:04] a what I do, I think what people listen to, they don't want to hear me.

[00:34:07] They just want to hear the experiences or the stories from the people that come on the

[00:34:10] show.

[00:34:11] So, like I said, I don't, that's all I'm here for, usually just a platform for the guest.

[00:34:15] I don't try and do anything special.

[00:34:17] I guess I thought about changing things up here and there, but at the same time, I was

[00:34:21] like, whatever I'm doing, it seems to be working.

[00:34:23] So why, why mess with it? It's not broken. Don't try and fix it.

[00:34:27] Yeah. Yeah. And it sounds like your format is kind of dramatically different than mine. So

[00:34:32] yeah, I mean, I do, I do a few interviews here and there, maybe outside of the bands, maybe four or five interviews

[00:34:40] a year, because I like there's just not that many people I really want to talk to.

[00:34:46] Like I like if I want to talk to somebody, it's because they have a book that came out,

[00:34:49] but if somebody had a book that came out, I'm punching a little bit a little bit high

[00:34:53] to try to get somebody with a book that everybody's heard of. Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:34:56] Yeah. Like, you know, I'm not super popular or anything yet. So it's that's punching a little

[00:35:02] bit high. But I did manage to get my most recent interview, the first

[00:35:06] interview of 2024 was a Matt and Tony Browning. Matt was a not

[00:35:10] one undercover with a bunch of skinhead and neo Nazi groups.

[00:35:16] That's what he did for 20 years of his career, actually. So

[00:35:18] that was a great interview and a really good get.

[00:35:23] Yeah, I am. I've been getting a lot of requests lately

[00:35:27] when people wanting to come on the show, which it's good.

[00:35:30] I, I'm pretty much booked up through.

[00:35:33] So we're in the middle of January,

[00:35:35] I'm booked up through a sometime in April with guest

[00:35:38] and I tried Fiddleman here where I can't,

[00:35:42] I don't want to try and do an episode every night.

[00:35:45] Again, I have other things that I do besides recording podcast episodes.

[00:35:49] So I'm only trying to do like two to three episodes a week, as far as recording wise.

[00:35:53] I've had to start releasing two episodes a week just to catch up because I had such a backlog going on.

[00:35:58] Now, I don't know if I was going to continue, but like I said, I thought it would be a lot easier to get guests when it actually ended up being,

[00:36:07] but now that the podcast has gotten a little bit more of a name for itself, I think there's more people reaching out.

[00:36:14] Yeah, we, I get a lot of email, but the problem is, and you might experience some of this too.

[00:36:20] You get email and it's like some, you read about the person and and you're like whoever's emailing me has not listened to a

[00:36:25] Minute of my show. Why would I have on you know somebody to tell everybody about how to achieve their financial freedom or whatever?

[00:36:32] I've had that too. Yes. It's like no

[00:36:35] I don't want to have this stockbroker on my show and honestly, you know, you look into the guy and you I'm like

[00:36:40] I've applied to one person

[00:36:41] I'm like do you want this stockbroker who appears to be a fraud

[00:36:45] to get torn apart on my show?

[00:36:48] No.

[00:36:49] And I didn't respond for whatever.

[00:36:50] I've had a lot of people lately being hypnotist

[00:36:53] and psychic mediums and stuff.

[00:36:55] I've had a couple on there

[00:36:57] and it's not that I have anything against them

[00:36:59] or anything like that.

[00:37:00] Like if they wanna come on and talk about the stuff,

[00:37:01] that's cool.

[00:37:03] I've always been skeptical of that whole aspect anyways, but

[00:37:06] I'm skeptical on a lot of the things that we talk about.

[00:37:09] And

[00:37:11] I don't know, like I just don't want to have so many of the same type of

[00:37:16] guests, I guess, not not to discriminate against guests or anything like that.

[00:37:20] But I don't know how much different all it could be.

[00:37:23] You know what I mean?

[00:37:25] I mean, I'm very discriminated about my guests.

[00:37:28] I, you know, though I had a funny guy on and I might actually hook you up with this guy.

[00:37:34] You may or may not.

[00:37:37] There's this guy who won the lottery.

[00:37:39] Well, he didn't really win the big one, right?

[00:37:41] But he got like 20 grand.

[00:37:42] But he thinks he got the 20 grand because he was communicating with ghosts through a track phone.

[00:37:49] And I was like ready to go into that and like make fun of the guy.

[00:37:52] And he was like the nicest guy in the world.

[00:37:55] And he was like kind of cracking jokes about the things like he clearly believed what he was saying,

[00:38:00] but he was also aware that it seemed a little bit crazy.

[00:38:03] And so it was like, it was like the nicest guy.

[00:38:06] And you know, you're interested in talking to that guy.

[00:38:10] I'm sure he'll talk to you.

[00:38:12] Yeah, I actually probably would talk to him.

[00:38:13] I don't, that's the thing like with my show or whatever.

[00:38:17] I've been, I've had people come on

[00:38:19] and like leave shitty comments on post or whatever,

[00:38:23] saying that people come on my show

[00:38:24] and all I do is make fun of the guests, saying that people come on my show

[00:38:25] and all I do is make fun of the guests

[00:38:26] and they shouldn't come on.

[00:38:27] I've literally never made fun of anyone.

[00:38:30] That is not even what I do.

[00:38:31] I barely talk to my guests half the time.

[00:38:33] Like we might have a little discussion here or there,

[00:38:34] but like, they say with an eight-tint foil,

[00:38:37] you're calling everyone tent foil hat

[00:38:39] and you're making fun of poking fun of things.

[00:38:41] They're like, no, I'm not.

[00:38:42] Literally, if you come on here and tell me

[00:38:45] that you were abducted by aliens when you were 10 years old

[00:38:48] and they took you into the mothership,

[00:38:49] they did all this stuff on there,

[00:38:50] I'm not gonna sit there and say you're full of shit

[00:38:52] because I don't know, I wasn't there.

[00:38:55] Do I believe that's the truth?

[00:38:57] I don't know, like my personal opinion is

[00:39:00] on I've said this multiple times.

[00:39:01] I think a lot of people that have these dramatic events

[00:39:03] might manifest things mentally into

[00:39:05] something that's not really happening because maybe they had some Pinnell's traumatic

[00:39:09] habit to manipulate manifested aliens or something.

[00:39:11] You know what I mean?

[00:39:11] Like it's not, I'm not a doctor.

[00:39:14] I don't know.

[00:39:15] And like the alien stuff is in the culture, right?

[00:39:17] So yeah, it's so I'm not attacking or making fun or anything like that.

[00:39:22] I'm literally like someone come on here and talk and they're like, well, you're taking advantage of people. I'm not taking or making fun or anything like that. I'm literally like someone come on here and talk. And they're like, well, you're taking advantage of people.

[00:39:27] I'm not taking advantage of anybody, but let them talk like whatever.

[00:39:31] Yeah.

[00:39:31] I mean, they know it's being recorded and going to go out there.

[00:39:34] It's not like, yeah.

[00:39:36] I, I, I, we, we do have like, there's certain kinds of people I, I won't talk to.

[00:39:42] Like we, another quick tin foil tail.

[00:39:45] There's Sky Austin Bennett.

[00:39:46] We found him again through like, because he believed in chemtrails.

[00:39:50] And then he became like an anti vaccine advocate or whatever.

[00:39:54] And he ended up running for like the state, the state house here in California.

[00:40:00] He ran versus like a really popular guy named Rich Pan.

[00:40:03] And then after he lost, and by lost, I mean,

[00:40:06] didn't fill out the proper paperwork to even run,

[00:40:09] and then complained that the election was stolen from them.

[00:40:12] He saw the guy who won and then assaulted him.

[00:40:16] Like on the street.

[00:40:18] And then we were kind of covering that.

[00:40:20] And then the people in my community were like,

[00:40:22] hey, we don't really want to watch cover

[00:40:25] this guy anymore. This guy is lost as fucking marbles. And all you're doing is like, are you

[00:40:29] doing a staring at a traffic accident? I was like, Oh, okay. So we now have a thing called the Austin

[00:40:35] Bennett rule, where like if somebody's just gone so far out, so far kind of past any sort of reasonable,

[00:41:09] So far kind of passed any sort of reasonable, reasonable, not thought process, but reasonable behavior and has it becomes clear to people that all they're doing is like, harming themselves and the people around them. We just whole story just because I like to hear it from when they're talking. But at the same time, it's like I want to know a little bit about it.

[00:41:12] And then when I first started, I've had a couple guests that were, they've told me

[00:41:17] some things that I don't know.

[00:41:20] Again, if it has the name, 10 foil tells and some of the topics we talk about, I mean,

[00:41:26] I'm not told everyone I'm very skeptical.

[00:41:27] I'm a skeptical person.

[00:41:29] And I'm not here to discredit or prove or anything like that, but it's some of the topics that

[00:41:37] we talked about.

[00:41:38] This guy come on there and he says part of these experiments that they happened and

[00:41:43] this and that.

[00:41:44] And I started getting all these emails after the episode came out from more people that He said, is part of these experiments that they happened in this and that.

[00:41:49] I started getting all these emails after the episode came out from more people that are involved in this, suppose that a program that these

[00:41:55] individuals were apparently a part of and I said, this guy's a fraud.

[00:41:59] I need to take his episode down this and I was like, I don't give a shit.

[00:42:03] What random email

[00:42:06] people are telling me because if you're emailing me and telling me the things not true, I need

[00:42:10] to take it down this and that don't be spreading this information around you're almost pushing

[00:42:13] that 10 for little narrative of the conspiracy. You don't want that information out. You know

[00:42:17] what I mean? So it's like that and that and that's the idea that like maybe they have

[00:42:24] a different version of events and what

[00:42:25] they don't like is that your guests version of events and instead of accepting that like let's

[00:42:32] let's grant that this program exists like maybe people's recollection of we're going to be different

[00:42:37] but they're probably thinking what the person you spoke to is controlled opposition.

[00:42:43] I get that a lot that oh no this other, this other person, you know, when I used to interview

[00:42:47] more conspiracy therapists, I would always I'd be like, hey, you know, this

[00:42:52] doesn't jive with what I'm hearing from these other people.

[00:42:54] And the answer wouldn't be, well, you know, we all kind of see this differently.

[00:42:57] This is these are weird events.

[00:42:59] And, you know, that other person just kind of sees it differently than me.

[00:43:02] They're like, that person is controlled opposition.

[00:43:04] They're working for the government or the Illuminati or whatever it is.

[00:43:07] And it's like, oh, that's why it stopped interviewing conspiracy theorists, honestly,

[00:43:11] because it's like, it became, again, it was another thing that for me that just became

[00:43:17] so incredibly repetitive, that I didn't want to basically have the same interview with

[00:43:22] 10 or 12 different people who eventually all end up hating each other.

[00:43:25] It's like, well, this is just like,

[00:43:26] this is just like a Jerry Springer, you know?

[00:43:29] No.

[00:43:30] But the other, the difference is though,

[00:43:32] I was like openly antagonistic,

[00:43:34] particularly to the chemtrails community.

[00:43:36] So I think that that's going to be a major difference

[00:43:39] between, you know, me interviewing somebody

[00:43:41] who believes in chemtrails versus if you had

[00:43:44] a chemtrails guest on,

[00:43:44] because you're not openly antagonistic to their communities.

[00:43:49] Now, I am certain things that I could be towards, but at the same time, it's.

[00:43:57] I think 99% of the people that I've interviewed believe what they tell me.

[00:44:02] That doesn't mean I have to believe what they're telling me.

[00:44:05] That makes any sense like it's their truth, but that doesn't mean there are events of

[00:44:12] how things played out are 100% accurate. I think everyone's mind has the ability to

[00:44:21] cover up certain things in the sense of traumatic events or we just don't

[00:44:25] remember things exactly how it happened or whatever. I've had some weird stuff

[00:44:29] happen to me and I can't explain it and if someone told me what happened to me

[00:44:33] as a story I'd have my own doubts about their story even though I experienced I

[00:44:38] have my own doubts about my own crazy stuff because it's so freaking crazy. So

[00:44:43] it's like how am I to write anyone else off

[00:44:47] because I wouldn't even really wanna believe

[00:44:49] what happened to me, but it did,

[00:44:50] because I remember it, I seen it.

[00:44:52] So it's like, how can I judge anyone else?

[00:44:54] It's simply like granting that other people

[00:44:57] have agency, right?

[00:44:58] Like one of the things I've run into

[00:45:02] in talking to conspiracy theorists

[00:45:03] and now more recently in looking into some of the behavior

[00:45:09] of some of the people in, I'll say the Scientology

[00:45:12] critical community is that people aren't granting,

[00:45:16] not, it's not everyone, but there are people

[00:45:17] who aren't granting me agency.

[00:45:19] They're like, oh, you don't believe this.

[00:45:21] You're paid by such and such a group to say this.

[00:45:25] And I'm like, I'm paid by who?

[00:45:27] Say what?

[00:45:30] Why would this group pay me to write this article?

[00:45:32] You know, it's really, really weird.

[00:45:37] It's not that there aren't people

[00:45:39] who are paid to push an agenda.

[00:45:41] It's like that for a lot of people,

[00:45:44] especially people who are heavily invested

[00:45:46] in a specific belief or oftentimes in a specific content creator, that they can't just grant

[00:45:53] that somebody else doesn't agree with that person or thinks they're a piece of shit or,

[00:45:57] you know, they can't grant any of that. It must be that your some outside force is making you do this

[00:46:02] to tear down this person because they're getting too close to the truth or whatever.

[00:46:07] And that's like, if you view the world that way, you're, you're just never going to believe that anybody is doing anything in, you know, I hate the term, but in good faith.

[00:46:16] And now everybody's just your enemy instead of just people who just don't see things the same way you do.

[00:46:22] I feel like the days,

[00:46:27] I don't know how to use the terminology correctly

[00:46:30] without sounding like a douche.

[00:46:32] I think today we're all

[00:46:34] pre-programmed to hate each other.

[00:46:38] That makes any sense.

[00:46:39] Like it's easy for us to disagree.

[00:46:41] And then instead of being like,

[00:46:42] oh, okay, let's agree to disagree.

[00:46:45] Everyone turns into a flame war where, oh, this is what I believe. Well, you don't believe in this,

[00:46:50] but you're clearly wrong and we can't get past that like it becomes a division. So it says like,

[00:46:55] everyone's divided. Everyone hates each other. Everyone can't get along. And I feel like that's

[00:47:00] just been forced on us. And I don't know if that's a conspiracy or what, but like,

[00:47:04] I feel like if you don't have the same sort of mindset

[00:47:07] with people, like, no one can ever just get past that,

[00:47:11] like political aspects when it comes to that or your beliefs

[00:47:14] and anything, like everyone's always finding reasons to hate each other.

[00:47:21] The rate at which communication happens now is probably a big part of that.

[00:47:26] Yeah, I've said that to the echo chamber of social media and everything else.

[00:47:31] That was the downfalls society.

[00:47:32] It's just like how quick, you know, back in the day, if somebody lived in New York and

[00:47:37] you wanted to disagree with them, well, first of all, you'd have to find out that they said

[00:47:40] the thing they said, and then you'd have to like call them or something right now.

[00:47:44] They're just right out there on Twitter or Facebook. And so and for me on that stuff, I think it really

[00:47:49] kind of matters what the nature of the disagreement is. Yeah, I think it like it matters what the

[00:47:56] nature of the disagreement is. But also I like, I don't just I just don't argue with people on

[00:48:00] the internet anymore. I don't there's there's no there's nothing in it for me. I might make fun

[00:48:04] of people on the internet. But that's I think there's no, there's nothing in it for me. I might make fun of people on the internet,

[00:48:06] but that's, I think that's a little bit different

[00:48:08] than arguing with them.

[00:48:10] Yeah, I don't do it anymore.

[00:48:15] There's certain people,

[00:48:16] especially with our other show when it comes to band stuff

[00:48:18] and things in the past.

[00:48:19] And there were so many times that we could say things

[00:48:24] or whatever, but at the same time,

[00:48:25] it's like, what's the point?

[00:48:26] At the end of the day, no one cares.

[00:48:30] And I think that's the hard pill to swallow for a lot of people is that we can all go

[00:48:33] up there and bang our chest and get up on our soapbox and preach what we want to preach.

[00:48:38] But at the end of the day, I don't think anyone really cares.

[00:48:42] Well, at least, at least not about not about me or you.

[00:48:44] I don't know if it us are famous, right?

[00:48:46] Like, as long as we're not famous, people go out there and put their fucking foot in

[00:48:51] their mouth all the time. It's not that they say things that are wrong. I think a lot of

[00:48:53] times they say things that are stupid. They might even be right, but they're just like,

[00:48:57] they just fire something off because they think they have to because they have a big following.

[00:49:01] It's like, well, what if I mean, what even like the, you're kind of right, but the thing you fired off was sort of word

[00:49:07] salody. And now you just look dumb. What did you even do?

[00:49:10] I, the thing that pisses me off the most, and I mentioned it earlier, my buddy, my

[00:49:15] coast from my other podcast in the semirelure to the comments and I went and watched the

[00:49:19] video was pretty sure it was Scarlett Johansson or whatever talking about. If we could all just donate a dollar or $7 or something, donate money to feed homeless people,

[00:49:30] and this and that. The same thing happened with the fires out in Maui and we've seen the rock

[00:49:35] and Oprah and all these other rich assholes donate your money. Why don't you donate some money?

[00:49:42] Like, you're more the people that you're trying to talk

[00:49:46] to are clearly not as wealthy as you are. And yet they put the rich celebrities on there to

[00:49:51] tell people to donate their money to help all these other people, which yeah, it's great.

[00:49:56] Help others if you can. But you know, those blood suckers aren't giving off their millions of dollars

[00:50:02] to help feed needy people.

[00:50:08] Or come out and be like, I'll match up to a quarter million dollars in donations. Yeah.

[00:50:09] Let's go.

[00:50:09] Let's go.

[00:50:10] Let's go.

[00:50:10] Like whatever we get donated will match on the other end.

[00:50:12] Like they don't do that.

[00:50:13] No, not nobody.

[00:50:16] But yeah, if they are doing that or if they did donate, I don't know, they could

[00:50:19] all it could also be a thing where maybe they don't want to tell you how much they donated

[00:50:23] because then you feel like your six bucks is meaningless. But I don't know. I'm just I'm just kind of, you know,

[00:50:29] speculating. I don't I didn't really follow much of that stuff. I, you know, I donated what I could

[00:50:35] when the Maui fire happened. I've been lucky enough to vacation in that particular region.

[00:50:40] And I'm like, Oh, they should build that back up. That was great.

[00:50:42] region and I'm like, oh, they should build that back up. That was great.

[00:50:47] I didn't donate. I don't donate to anything. And that's not just because

[00:50:53] I don't, I don't think about it. I don't feel like I have the extra money to donate towards it. And at the same time, like, I've always wondered, does your money really

[00:50:57] go to what they claim it's going to? How much of your money is actually going to

[00:51:00] that? Because when you look up the CEOs funds or anything else like where's all your money

[00:51:05] really going to so maybe that's the wrong mindset to have that's just the I've always seen it.

[00:51:14] I think the best way to do it is to donate. Sorry. I think I breathed in some water like an

[00:51:21] idiot but I think that like the best way to do that is to find somebody in the same zip

[00:51:25] code and hope that they're doing the right thing with the money, right?

[00:51:30] But you know, you never know.

[00:51:31] You can't know.

[00:51:35] I've had people that I've actually know had things happen.

[00:51:38] I'm like, yes, I've helped like a go fund me or something like that.

[00:51:41] And when it comes to like these big old Red Cross or things you see commercials about,

[00:51:46] I don't, I don't know.

[00:51:48] My grandma, I think used to send 20 something dollars a month to feed the children of Africa

[00:51:55] or something like that.

[00:51:56] And when I was a kid, I was always like, does that really work?

[00:52:00] And like, are you really, that money really going over there?

[00:52:03] How does anyone really know that's where it's going to.

[00:52:05] But like I said, I always question things as a kid.

[00:52:08] So that's probably why I do a podcast called 10 foiled tails.

[00:52:13] Yeah, yeah.

[00:52:14] Um, has anybody ever actually come on

[00:52:17] and attempted to tell a 10 foil tale?

[00:52:20] Oh, yeah, I've had, I don't, the episode isn't out yet, but I've got one coming out there and they told me about a found time conspiracy.

[00:52:31] And I've had other people come on there and obviously, I think with UFO abductions and even like, I have a lot of people that have cryptid experiences like seeing bigfoots or dog men or anything weird like that.

[00:52:45] It all fits into the stories of not your normal type of experiences or whatever.

[00:52:52] I say experiences now because I've been lectured about calling someone's experience a story

[00:52:57] because it sounds like I'm just crediting them.

[00:52:59] I was like, okay, well, I'll start calling them experiences. But I don't know, like, I don't know if the stuff that people are telling me is true or not.

[00:53:11] I mean, I think it is.

[00:53:12] I think that they're telling me what they believe is true, but at the same time, it's like it all fits under that umbrella of something that is out of the realm of normal.

[00:53:20] It's almost weird.

[00:53:24] So I feel like it fits into that whole 10 full hat type thing just because

[00:53:29] a lot of people that believe in stuff like this, they think aliens are being

[00:53:34] covered up and then UFOs are being covered up the abduction.

[00:53:36] They think bigfoots being covered up.

[00:53:38] They think all these cryptid things are known about they're being covered up.

[00:53:40] So it all kind of fits back into that whole conspiracy realm.

[00:53:44] So you had mentioned like UFOs and cryptids to take a break sometimes from the

[00:53:52] let's say more troubling sorts of matters we cover on conspiracy bingo.

[00:53:56] Sometimes we'll do a UFO night or cryptid night and those nights are so fun.

[00:54:00] Because it's like the stakes on that stuff is just so much lower, right?

[00:54:04] Does Bigfoot exist?

[00:54:05] I don't know.

[00:54:06] Because anybody going to go, you know, commit an act of violence because they

[00:54:10] believe in Bigfoot, absolutely not.

[00:54:12] You know, like, you know, the UFO, we always joke around that the UFO people

[00:54:18] and the Bigfoot people are cool and that they have weed and that those are the

[00:54:21] conspiracy theorists you should hang out with.

[00:54:25] Well, the weird thing that happened with me,

[00:54:28] and I'll just throw that out there.

[00:54:29] I wouldn't say, I can't, I don't wanna dive

[00:54:33] into the whole thing as I've talked about it before.

[00:54:35] I don't like taking my show and hijacking about

[00:54:38] the shit that I experienced, but this is the whole reason

[00:54:40] why I do my show.

[00:54:42] Back in 2007, I encountered something on the side of the road just a couple

[00:54:45] miles from where I'm at right now. And it was a big walking shape in the middle of the road. My

[00:54:51] coworker hit swerved off the road to miss it. And then I'm like, what is this guy doing? And I

[00:54:56] get to that area, I see a big black, headless, armless looking shape, like slowly lumbering side to side like walking

[00:55:05] real weird almost like blowing in the wind type of figure.

[00:55:10] And I stopped and it walks right past the window and I never seen it top of it.

[00:55:13] Like I couldn't see a head or arms or anything.

[00:55:16] And he pulled into a parking lot.

[00:55:19] So I called ass and pulled it next to him and he's like, did you see that?

[00:55:22] I was like, okay, he's like, I didn't have a head.

[00:55:23] I was like, we have to go back.

[00:55:28] So we drove back. I convinced him to follow me back and

[00:55:33] there's a big black dog leaning in the road. So I started to get out of the vehicle and he rolls down his windows like, what are you doing? I was like, well, clearly it's a dead dog. To me,

[00:55:37] I'm thinking that must've been what was walking in the road, not putting two and two together at the

[00:55:40] time. All this dog looks back and the size are glowing yellow and it growls at me. So I stop. I'm like, shit,

[00:55:48] the sound of the dead dog like I thought it was. And the damn

[00:55:53] thing stands up on two legs, should you not? And it's about

[00:55:59] my height. I'm six foot three, we're like, I'd eye for a couple

[00:56:02] seconds and it just kneels down and goes off into the woods.

[00:56:05] And then I've never had anything like that ever happened before. Never had anything happen like that again.

[00:56:12] I've never seen a dog just stand up like a person.

[00:56:15] Could have been a person in a werewolf costume. Sure. Why the hell were they out of like.

[00:56:20] You for 30 in the morning.

[00:56:22] That's a hell of a lot of work for a prank.

[00:56:25] Yeah.

[00:56:26] Um, it didn't have hands.

[00:56:28] It looked like a normal dog.

[00:56:29] It had a pretty sure how to like a bushy tail.

[00:56:31] It had pause.

[00:56:33] Everything about it seemed like a normal wolf looking dog.

[00:56:37] Or could have just been a big black wolf.

[00:56:38] I don't know.

[00:56:39] Cause I had that typical like pointy year to everything.

[00:56:42] Everything.

[00:56:42] It was like, oh, you saw bear with me.

[00:56:43] Just like, first of all, I didn't say anything had me.

[00:56:46] Because it was puffy fur.

[00:56:48] Like it looked like a child dogs for like really puffy.

[00:56:51] So.

[00:56:52] And we don't have bears here, but we also don't have upright walking canines.

[00:56:56] So.

[00:56:58] Well, thank you for not shooting it, I suppose.

[00:57:01] So it's like.

[00:57:03] What was it?

[00:57:04] I don't know.

[00:57:05] Apparently there's a thing called dog man. I didn't know anything about it

[00:57:07] until that happened. And I started going down that rabbit hole

[00:57:10] and was like, Oh, shit. And apparently people see these

[00:57:12] things all the time. So did I see a dog man? Or did I just see a

[00:57:17] dog that stood up on his back legs? I've always tried to write

[00:57:19] off just a normal dog because I try not to believe in this weird

[00:57:24] stuff. But the more and more people I've talked to and the more and more stuff I've

[00:57:26] listened to is like, people are seeing something.

[00:57:30] We all can't be crazy.

[00:57:31] I mean, I might be crazy, but I don't think I was crazy in this instance.

[00:57:34] Like I'm not crazy about that.

[00:57:36] So and I wasn't the only one that saw my co-worker seen it too, but he

[00:57:39] refused to talk about it and then threatened me for bringing it up every

[00:57:43] again. So I never 15 years I never talked about it.

[00:57:46] I mean, your your take seems to be like the reasonable one, like

[00:57:49] I experienced this thing. It could be this it might be this. I

[00:57:53] might not be remembering it accurately 100% accurately. And

[00:57:58] I don't know. That's that's the right answer, actually.

[00:58:01] No, I'm not gonna sit there and say it was a dog man or a cryptid or anything like it,

[00:58:08] but it was strange.

[00:58:09] I'll just say that much.

[00:58:10] The whole thing about it was strange.

[00:58:13] The other part that I didn't mention was when I went back to talk to him, there was a mouse

[00:58:17] standing in between us.

[00:58:19] The mouse was the creepiest part of the dog.

[00:58:21] It was standing on his hind legs, too, but it was cleaning his face, wiping his face,

[00:58:24] and I nudged it with my foot and it keeps

[00:58:26] on clean and so I didn't even care that I touched it.

[00:58:29] Why the hell?

[00:58:30] Why is there a mouse in the middle of the road?

[00:58:33] Yeah, yeah.

[00:58:34] If your friend hadn't been there, I might be like,

[00:58:36] did you dream this?

[00:58:37] Like, you know, but your friend was there too

[00:58:39] and told you to stop talking about it.

[00:58:40] So your friend didn't dream it too, obviously, you know?

[00:58:43] Well, no.

[00:58:44] So the mouse part is weird and I am actually, I do not like

[00:58:47] rodents. So I mean, I'm with you. The mouse was probably the

[00:58:50] previous part.

[00:58:51] Just because I know it existed because I touched it with my

[00:58:55] foot. I moved it a little bit. The first thing that was

[00:58:58] walking in the road, the shadowy looking all black figure. I

[00:59:02] didn't see header arms. That was the reason we went back.

[00:59:05] I think it had to have been over seven feet tall.

[00:59:07] The dog wasn't nearly as big as this thing.

[00:59:10] That's why I said the whole situation is really fucking weird because I can't

[00:59:14] explain it.

[00:59:15] And that's the one thing that's always bothered me.

[00:59:17] It's the fact that I can't explain it.

[00:59:18] I'm the type of person that has to explain things away in a rational sense.

[00:59:22] This is the one thing I cannot explain.

[00:59:25] So kind of neat to have a like a little mystery like that in your own life, though, isn't it?

[00:59:31] Maybe a lot of people, I was on someone else's show and I've talked about it.

[00:59:35] And they're like, how's it impacted you?

[00:59:37] Like it has an impact.

[00:59:38] I mean, I've thought about it afterwards.

[00:59:39] It was like, doing a fucking podcast called Contentful Health because of this

[00:59:43] experience.

[00:59:44] So clearly it has impact,

[00:59:45] imagine didn't really think about it in that sense.

[00:59:47] Well, but I mean, it drove curiosity about these things.

[00:59:52] I think they may have, you know,

[00:59:54] maybe in the moment you might have thought they were asking

[00:59:56] about negative impact.

[00:59:57] Yeah.

[00:59:58] I still think that's what they're talking about,

[01:00:00] but no, it's had some sort of influence on me.

[01:00:02] I don't, I literally talked to people now about seeing weird things, this and that back

[01:00:08] in the old days, I'd, when people talk about stuff, they let other fucking crazy.

[01:00:12] But now I don't say that because I've had my own experience, like, so who might have

[01:00:19] said that these people are crazy when I've seen something strange to you?

[01:00:23] Well, and it's just, you know, if I listen to the stuff, I

[01:00:26] listen to the way people talk about it, right? When you were

[01:00:30] talking about it, you were hedging, you're like, I don't know,

[01:00:31] don't know. He said, I don't know what that was, couldn't

[01:00:34] figure it out. I had to go back to see what it was. I thought I

[01:00:36] saw a dog. I don't know if that was the same thing I saw. Like

[01:00:39] these are, these are the ways like, yeah, you're you, it's pretty

[01:00:43] clear that you are not pulling my leg here, right? When people are like, people are gonna make something like, yeah, you're, you, it's pretty clear that you are not pulling my leg here,

[01:00:45] right? So people are like, people are going to make something like this up. They're going to be

[01:00:49] very sure about everything generally. I've kind of noticed that as well. And again, not to discredit

[01:00:57] anyone that's been on my show. But oftentimes I feel like if someone has it completely

[01:01:05] down to the detail, the timing,

[01:01:09] and like very specific things and so much things,

[01:01:12] like I've had people come on there and say

[01:01:14] they could smell things like,

[01:01:15] well, how far away were you?

[01:01:16] I was like 300, how the hell did you smell something

[01:01:18] at 300 feet away?

[01:01:20] Like that's the type of stuff like,

[01:01:24] I start to wander, raise my brow a little bit.

[01:01:26] I'm like, I don't know about all that because it's true possibly, but to me, it seems a little,

[01:01:32] maybe a little embellished.

[01:01:35] I mean, I think afterward after something, especially if something weird happens,

[01:01:39] I think like our minds are going to be our minds are, I think we almost have to fill in details that we're unsure of you know

[01:01:47] Mm-hmm. That's kind of what I've said before like when I've interviewed people and I just threw out the whole alien abduction

[01:01:53] I've never had anyone come on the shows that they were abducted by aliens and probed but

[01:01:57] I've always made that reference. I was like

[01:02:00] Well, baby people imagine their brains manifesting aliens

[01:02:07] Well, maybe people imagine their brains manifesting aliens doing this to them because Uncle Creepy came into the middle of the night and did something in their mind and processed it away.

[01:02:11] So they manifested aliens instead of Uncle Creepy.

[01:02:13] You know, or maybe people were legitimately abducted by somebody.

[01:02:17] I mean, I could see like if somebody were to people, that if they were doing it, it might be in

[01:02:26] their interest to make it appear as if they were persons on a fucking spaceship when they

[01:02:30] were being abducted, right? Because then you fucking get away with it. Yeah.

[01:02:35] Because now this person was on a spaceship. And now they're now nobody, people are like, Oh,

[01:02:39] okay, sure, whatever, buddy. And but there's like a really there's an actual real human

[01:02:43] being out there praying people.

[01:02:45] I don't think that's a likely scenario for a, you know, a majority or even, you know,

[01:02:50] a sizable minority experiences, but I could see somebody figuring that out real quick.

[01:02:55] Now, I, I've often wondered that too, that again, Ben foil tell, I've often wondered if these abductions haven't been like our own people

[01:03:07] abducting people just to. I don't want to call it like a scyop, but like just to see

[01:03:12] how people would react. That makes any sort of sense. Like, and then if aliens are really

[01:03:20] coming down and abducting people, Why don't they abduct someone famous? Right. That's right. Or just any or just someone in a city.

[01:03:29] I actually had someone come on there an episode and they believe they're a contact

[01:03:33] I wrote a book and everything and they're a really nice couple. The one thing they pointed out

[01:03:38] and I don't I don't want to sound like I'm just quoting what they're saying

[01:03:49] I don't want to sound like I'm just quoting what they're saying, but they made it seem as if aliens did not abduct anyone but white people.

[01:03:58] Because if you look at all the abduction cases or whatever, it's always been white people. I was like, well, Betty Barney Hill, I think Barney was an African American.

[01:04:08] They said they think they're here. We originally abducting him because of Betty, but he just so happened to be there. So they took him to but technically they were only after like white people.

[01:04:11] I was like, I never thought of that, but come to think of it. I don't know if any stories other than that one of anyone else being abducted by aliens.

[01:04:17] We might be biased on that though, because we're reading these.

[01:04:19] We're only going to come across these things in English language publications, right?

[01:04:23] Yeah.

[01:04:24] So some things, you know, if there's a story about an alien abduction in

[01:04:28] Kenya or whatever, it's not going to be in English likely.

[01:04:31] And so we're not going to be able to read it.

[01:04:33] And so then it might not come up on our searches or whatever.

[01:04:35] So I'm not sure if that's the case, but I just find it interesting that you

[01:04:41] you've never heard of anybody from like, you know, San Francisco being abducted by aliens, right? It's just like, why wouldn't they ever abduct somebody in a city?

[01:04:50] It's just so weird. But it always seems to be out and about. But I have heard people say they're

[01:04:55] in town. They've been abducted too. But again, I don't know. I don't know what to think about

[01:05:01] the whole abduction things. I mean, the joke, the joke we have about the aliens is that they came once.

[01:05:08] They met a few human beings and they were like, we are never going back there.

[01:05:12] I've made references to they can travel all these light years to Earth and yet they crash.

[01:05:20] They've made it all through space because they gear that crash out in the desert.

[01:05:23] Makes no sense.

[01:05:24] No Roswell thing. So I don't know.

[01:05:27] It's like they're that intelligent to make it here. They can't make it without crashing.

[01:05:33] They're really not that smart. If your ship's going to malfunction,

[01:05:35] it's going to malfunction somewhere though. Yeah. Anything can happen, I guess. Like I said,

[01:05:40] I don't know. I'm a I want to believe, let's literally have

[01:05:46] that X files, the agent molder thing on my wall behind me says the UFOs is I want to

[01:05:51] believe that's always in the backdrop, like on my Twitch stream. But that that poster

[01:05:58] didn't survive. I've moved twice in as many years and that poster did not survive the, uh, first move.

[01:06:07] This one is a metal plaque. So it should survive.

[01:06:08] Yeah.

[01:06:09] This was just a poster and a cheap plastic frame.

[01:06:12] And so now.

[01:06:14] Now I was always an ex-files fan.

[01:06:16] I think that's why I question things because that was, uh, my favorite

[01:06:20] show grown up as a kid.

[01:06:21] So I love my monsters and aliens and everything else.

[01:06:24] I didn't really think they existed, but I love to think about that they could.

[01:06:29] So a fun way to watch that show is to go through a watch and just look at all the times that Fox

[01:06:35] Mulder should be fired, arrested, or possibly deported for the behaviors he's engaging in as an FBI

[01:06:43] agent.

[01:06:44] for the behaviors he's engaging in as an FBI agent. And we were actually rewatching some of them this past summer.

[01:06:50] I started watching it with my wife a couple of years ago and then got rid of Hulu.

[01:06:57] And then we signed back up for Hulu to try it out again for like,

[01:07:01] extreme TV, not just so we didn't have to have satellite anymore.

[01:07:06] And I ended up canceling it because,

[01:07:09] kind of sucked anyways,

[01:07:10] but I won't be getting that Hulu sponsor now.

[01:07:16] But we were watching some of those episodes,

[01:07:17] and I kind of thought that was like,

[01:07:18] man, you can totally tell us this is straight up 90s show,

[01:07:21] just because of how they things are,

[01:07:25] like some of the things that were said, like stuff like that

[01:07:29] usually wouldn't fly into these standards, I don't think.

[01:07:32] Yeah.

[01:07:32] And like the things the things I was watching for is like, somebody

[01:07:36] isn't home, right?

[01:07:37] And he wants to like investigate.

[01:07:38] And so, you know, because this is what you do as a law

[01:07:43] enforcement, you just check the seats, the doors doors unlocked and you walk into their fucking house and

[01:07:47] it's like, whoa, dude, you can't fucking do that.

[01:07:51] What are you doing?

[01:07:52] Yeah, there's that.

[01:07:55] I've seen it even on like almost any type of cop show you watch a cop.

[01:07:58] They typically do stuff like that in general.

[01:08:01] Oh, the door was open so we went on in.

[01:08:03] I don't think stuff like that really works

[01:08:05] and like real life, if you're trying to arrest someone

[01:08:07] at the door just having to be completely unlocked.

[01:08:10] So you're able to do that.

[01:08:11] Still not, you don't have a warrant to go in there.

[01:08:14] Right, right.

[01:08:14] Then in the real world, the judge would be like,

[01:08:17] oh, great.

[01:08:17] Now your whole case is invalid.

[01:08:20] Good job.

[01:08:21] Yeah.

[01:08:24] Well, got about to that hour. Margarita, you got to show you got to do tonight. So I didn't know if there's anything else you wanted Good job. Yeah Well

[01:08:25] Got about to that hour Marga nice that you got a show you got to do tonight

[01:08:27] So I didn't know if there's anything else you wanted to discuss before we wrap this up here

[01:08:32] Um, yeah, I've got an hour before the show, but I probably should eat something

[01:08:35] But for every bit of you I do drink on the show something a little foundation there in my stomach

[01:08:41] Um, not really I mean I just you know, I enjoyed this conversation with you. I checked out a few

[01:08:46] of your episodes and the things you told me about the criticisms you get, unless there was stuff I

[01:08:52] didn't hear seem absurd. You were open-minded and you listened to your guests and you don't even

[01:08:58] crack any jokes, which maybe crack a few jokes. That's what my other podcast before we're done on that one.

[01:09:07] This is my serious show. I guess if people check out my, if people check out my content,

[01:09:12] the best place to find me is equiplexmedia.com and you can get links to everything there.

[01:09:19] What we do try to keep it light and fun, but the things we talk about are real serious.

[01:09:23] And it's, you know, it's unfortunate when people's family, friends, loved ones,

[01:09:28] get sucked down some rabbit hole and end up losing their,

[01:09:33] you know, their con, their connections with their family and their community,

[01:09:37] because they've decided that, you know,

[01:09:40] some belief that they have is more important than their relationships.

[01:09:43] So, you know, I guess everybody out there, if you're interested in these ideas, just kind of

[01:09:48] kind of take care of one another and keep an eye on your friends and your family.

[01:09:53] I'll include the link in the show notes for anyone out there listening wants to go and

[01:09:57] check Dave's content out. Well, I want to thank you for coming on here and talking with me tonight.

[01:10:03] It's been a little different than the normal type of conversations I've had, but I think

[01:10:08] it's always good to have a little difference here and there.

[01:10:13] The episode that came out today, it's kind of this will date the how long it actually

[01:10:19] comes before this episode comes out was not really one of my normal is more of a joking

[01:10:24] banner. The guest I had was from another podcast called the stone genius.

[01:10:28] So he was a really lighthearted and goofing around and stuff like

[01:10:34] that.

[01:10:34] Like, well, it's different from the normal bloom and doom of this

[01:10:38] podcast.

[01:10:39] I guess it's nice to have a little bit here and there.

[01:10:42] But if anyone ever checked out my other podcast, you're going to think I'm a dumbass anyway, so it's all good.

[01:10:47] All right.

[01:10:48] Well, thanks for having me on.

[01:10:50] This was a lot of fun, the hour flew right by.

[01:10:53] Yep.

[01:10:54] Well, again, I appreciate it and hope you have a good night.

[01:10:58] Remember, the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make.

[01:11:08] Stay curious, stay open minded.

[01:11:10] Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep

[01:11:14] seeking, and keep exploring the unknown.