Ep. 72: Squatchologists: Researching the Experiences with Sasquatch

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoiltels. I'm your host, Brandon right not. We're going to be joined by my guest Tyler and Casey. They both want to come on here tonight and share some of their experiences that they've had with some of these supposed sasquatch incidents along the Org in Washington area and also down in Tennessee. 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Hope you guys enjoy it, Sit back, relax and enjoy the show. I like to take this time and welcome my guests tonight, Tyler and Casey. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. He man, thanks for having us on. Yeah, a little bit about yourselves. Yeah, my name is Tyler. I'm thirty five years old and born and rais in the Pacific Northwest outside of Portland, Oregon area, not in Portland. And let's see, I have hardly any background and if like hardly zero or not actually and sasquatch or bigfoot or cryptids or anything like that. I grew up here and you know, we've always had the lure of sasquatch in the Pacific Northwest. It's just kind of been part of the part of the tradition here in culture. But I've always just kind of, uh, I've always believed in the idea of it, but I've it's always just kind of been a you know, like a one single singular animal roaming the forests and shown up all over the place and scaring people all the forest type of deal. And I didn't really know too much about it at all. And then uh, yeah, and then I got introduced into the subject and have had my world opened up. So it's pretty it's been a pretty interesting ride so far. Yeah, once you kind of get into this sort of eye opening world, I guess it is kind of what I like happens with me. You just start digging into it, and the more you dig, the more you dig, you're like, oh, this can't be realist, can't be really to keep here more stories and more encounters, and you're just like, well, somebody's gotta be seeing something. So yeah, that's exactly it. And that's exactly how it started for me. Man I it actually really started with I started out listening to a podcast called uh Sasquatch Chronicles, and in the beginning of in the beginning of that episode episode of that or the beginning episodes of that podcast, it's they teach you a lot, a lot of sciencey stuff, you know, you learn about doctor Jeff Meloderum and John Binnernagle. It's just all the main you know, academia that's been a part of the subject that really wins credence to the subject. And I started getting into that, and there's an episode on there where it's all reported Sasquatch Calls and I had heard that and loved the episode, and so I had downloaded it, and uh, it was not normal for myself to head out to the forest and just hang out there for a while, a few days whatever, and I decided to do that one day and I had grabbed you know, I had my podcast that I was listening to, Sasquatch Chronicles, and I decided to download this episode and in hopes of doing a call blast is what they call it. So basically, you take audio sample and you play it over a loud speaker as loud as it can go, and the idea is to get it over across experiense and hopefully get a response back from it. And so I had found this little dead end cat road, just a road cutting the middle of the hill. On one side of it was an incline, the other side of the road was a decline. And I found a dead end one and I backed up into it and there was a or and I had sat in my car and it was probably about ten minutes. I was sitting there fifteen minutes or so, just hanging out at that At this point, I wasn't listening to the podcast. I was just it was a silence. I was resetting, and I decided to put on the podcast, uh and do a call blast. So I had rolled down I was in a subrew out out back at the time, so I had rolled down all four windows passenger and driver's side front and back, and then I had my moon roof open, uh and I and I blasted this call. It was it's you can find it today. It's been titled the Missouri Screamer. But it was. It was frightening. I mean the sound of it, it wasn't was intense. So I had blasted it and my my ears plugged. Uh. And right towards the end of the call the recording, I had turned the volume all the way down and listened because that's what I've been that's what I was in stre to do, that's what I was told. That's just what I learned. And within probably maybe one second I'm guessing maybe two seconds, off to my left, and it sounded super far away. I don't know exact distance of it, but it was far enough to where it was. I could tell it was a ways of way, but it was still loud, and it sounded almost like a dog howl, but it wasn't a I don't think it was a dog. It in the moment, I thought it was a dog, but I don't think that to this day. But anyways, I had heard this call, and thinking back on it, it was interesting because I remember a flux at the end of the call, and it was like a like a whoo at the very end, like the vocals went up in flex and pitch and right like right before it dropped. And it took me a second to register that I had heard something. But when I did, I instantly thought, oh, man, there's a dog over there, so that means there's someone over there. And then milliseconds after I had that thought process, I felt this like in this feeling of impending doom, like I was about to die. I don't know how else to describe it. Followed by like two little clicks. I heard two little clicks, and then a huge like collision styled boom on the back passenger side of my vehicle. I'm guessing so much so that my whole car started rocking back and forth the leaf springs. I don't know anything about vehicles, but I've been told by multiple people that I've told the story to that I guess do know stuff about cars. It sounded, I guess to them it sounded like my leaf springs were bottoming out, whatever that means, because it was like a metal in metal grinding, because it was my car was flexing so much and I remember it shook about three or four times before it settled, and I freaked out really bad. I turned my car on when I got out of Dodge real fast. I made it down to have a to have a two two four, Well, I'm sorry to twelve or no, Yeah, I was correct the first time Highway two two four and uh off the main or onto the main from the side road. And I had sped my way down and found the first little pullout area and got out, assessed the situation, reset, and I took took myself to go around the vehicle to see how much damage there was. I was when I when I when the impact happened, it sounded like either a boulder or a log had had collided with my vehicle. It was intense. I honestly expected windows to be blown out or something like that. But when I got to the side of my vehicle, there was no damage. There was The windows were all intact. There was no scratch, There's no marks, no dings, no, no nothing in that area. And so I was just flabbergasted. I didn't know what to think, and I just got back in my car and started heading back down into town. And I had I had anticipated on staying up there for at least a night. Uh. And so for me to just like, you know, take off out of that spot because there was no way I was going back into the forest that day. And I didn't go back into the forest for another few few probably a month or so. Uh. And then my friend, well, real quick, I've talked and and talking to other researchers and listening to other people's stories about their vehicles being well, no other word to use it, but assaulted. MH. It's not It's not uncommon for someone's car to be wrapped on, knocked, punched, whatever, and there's no damage, and so that I don't know what to think about that. But I've heard a theory that on the Superreus they have that black composite bar on the top or for the mount for the rack mounting system, and the theory goes that the sasquatch was coming by. The Missouri Screamer recording is actually like a defensive planmate call, like get out of my area, what are you doing in here, which would explain why on the left side of my vehicle I heard like what I know now is like a high pitched ohio ish howl, and then to my right it was And I don't know this to be a fact. I'm just going off of what my mind's e sees coming down off the ink line onto the road I was on about The road was about thirty feet forty feet wide at max, so it's not some giant road. But I think it had picked a couple of pebbles on its way to my vehicle, and the pebbles hit my rims. And then a seconds after I heard the click click. I heard that and felt more so heard than it felt that and it uh And I think what happened makes sense. Other people have said this, to hit that bar on the top the bar is strapped into the chassis in the structure of a vehicle, so that would explain why the whole vehicle would be moving that way and why there was no damage. But that's all, you know. I guess I don't know that to be a fact, But that was my that was the It was the very first entering encounter, I guess you could say, the very first ever situation that happened. And it shook me. It took me, It scared me out of the woods. I've always used the woods as like my church, my reset, whatever you want to call it, whatever people, whatever, you know. It just helped me reset completely, get rid of the city sitting noise and all that stuff. And my friend Alex had contacted me. He's one of my buddies. I'm known through them fishing and hunting and stuff. He I had invited me to go out and check out this new area to scout out for deer hunting. And I had totally agreed to him, agreed to go with him, but I told him, like, I'm this is right up in the same area where I just got my vehicle assaulted, attacked, whatever, and I'm not interested in going up there without crazy amounts of fire power. So we went up there with guns and all that stuff, and that helped ease me into getting more comfortable back into the forest. And it took me up until about it was August of twenty nineteen. I was hanging out in the Mountain National Forest. I had gone up to this lake that I grew up going to my dad brother or avid fishermen and they I grew with them, floating it and fishing for trout and all this blue blue gill, all sorts of fish and so I had gone up there, and I had gone up right after work, and I was working for a staffing agency at the at that point, who had me at the town at the bottom of the mountain that I was work that I was wanting to camp out at. And my manager had My manager and his wife lived at the bottom of that mountain, and so I had asked him. I was like, hey, man, after work, I'm going up here. If you and the lady want to head up and you can come on up and you know, if you know, come join camp out. And he said that you know, if if if we end up, if we're gonna end up coming out tonight, then you'll see us, and if not, then you know, you won't see this type of deal. So I went up there and it was about ten thirty at night that I realized no one was there. About ten twenty five ish and I'm hanging out at the fire. I got a fire going. I did not have my tent set up because I was missing a few key components. I didn't know it at the time, so I was car camping. But the way the road is, it's the one way road in and out. There's no other way, no other roads. Around and you come up and then there's some boulders off to the left in the lake, probably fifteen feet to twenty five feet from the boulders, and then surrounding the lake, it's a bowl of forest. And so I'm sitting at the fire. The lake's probably about eight ten feet eight to ten feet in front of me, and the tree line is about fifteen to twenty to the left to the right, and then the road's right behind me, and I'm hanging out. It's ten thirty at night, August, dark night or dark skies, cloud cover over the moon and some stars but some stars were still out, but it up in the forests. For anyone who knows, that makes for an extremely dark night. And until I had my fire going, so anything, I all my visuals were aided by my firelight. And I'm hanging out listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. I downloaded it brand new and do it obviously just a couple of months into listening. I had my thirty six long rifle on the right hand side laying on a rock, and my nine milimeter on my left and I point pointing these out. For a reason, I'm not one of those guys, uh, and my phone on my left on my right leg playing a podcast, and I'm sitting in front of the fire facing the lake, and I feel all of a sudden on my to the left. I feel like someone was looking at me, something's looking at me, like my bubble was burst. So I kind of take a look to my over my left left hand shoulder and standing there behind a tree, it was peeking at me from behind a tree, and it was about my height. It wasn't some giant hurricane thing. There was no smell or sound or anything else involved. But standing there is a sasquatch looking at me from behind a tree, and I think it was a juvenile to this day it was either a juvenile or a female squatted down because like I said, its height looked to be about mine. It wasn't some giant thing. And I froze stip. Obviously I didn't the idea of sasquatch had been opening up to me at this point, like like it as a real entity or a real beam, sorry, not an entity, a real beam. But it was obviously still shock at awe. And the number one thing I remember most about it is its lips were pursed, like it was about to whistle at me. Its eyes were small and shrunken. They're black, They're super dark. They were dark dark. And I'm seeing all this from an illuminated fire or you know, firelight, so it's illuminated from the firelight, so it's got like a reddish glow to it. So I still do this day. I can't tell you an honest hair color, but it looked to be like a darker brown, darker red maybe or yeah. So it was interesting. And I'm sitting, I'm standing there. I'm sitting, it's standing there, and I'm my jaw is just open and I'm focusing on its eyes, its lips, its forehead. It was had like pretty apish like creases in the upper forehead area and around the eyes down below the eyes right like the the right at the eye, the lower eyebone right where it starts. It started to smooth out, kind of like our skin is, and then the cheeks they were smooth. It was I likeing it to like the original plane of the style look like, not quite exactly, but and it had brush obstructing about its belly button level approximately down, so I didn't I wasn't able to see its legs, its feet or anything like that. I could see its elbow, and its elbow looked to be looked like it would have been where about where our forearm is, the middle of our forearm, So I took there. It's extremely long arms. But and the other thing I remember most about it is it's silhouette, because its silhouette was darker than the night. So it was it was in the middle of trees, and we had and I had the fire. I had the firelight going. It was the middle of the trees, and I had the firelight going. But because of the tree canopy, within two to three feet, once you get in past the tree, it starts to get super dark. And so it was it's black in the forest itself. And I remember seeing the outline of its body away from the tree, leaning out from the tree, like it made it stick out like a sore thumb in the darkness. It was very, very very vivid. I can still see you can see it right now. And I sat there and freaked out. And then it lasted for about me I've been saying about four seconds, but give or take probably less more probably more take away, but if I'm being more realistic, it probably lasted for about two seconds. I was just in such a state of shock. I still don't know how long to this day it lasted, but it wasn't very long at all. So I'm sitting there and I'm freaking out, and I get it in my head that I need to pull I need to pull some sort of light out to try to illuminate this thing, to make sure I'm seeing what I'm actually seeing. I still don't believe it. Even though what I'm seeing it looked like a muppet standing there looking at me, I still need clarification. So I decided to pull my phone camera light out. You not even I should have pulled the obviously thinking back, should have pulled my camera out. But I pulled my led light out. I scrolled down my page and went to go hit the button. I pressed the button, and I'm not looking at my phone this entire time. I don't know if it's on or not. And with the idea of illuminating it, I go to lift my phone up off my leg, and the second I even twitched a muscle in my arm. This sat I think still in this day of sasquatch disappeared back behind the trees so fast it was just like it was gone. And I just sat there with my jaw on the ground, not knowing what to do, too scared to move anywhere or look around or do anything. And I sat there for a couple I sat there for a couple of minutes, but again I didn't really want to go anywhere and do anything. I was so scared, man, And I finally decided that I needed to get up and go get in my car. So I did that. And I have pretty bad insomnia, and it still blows me away to this day. But as soon as I got in my car, I locked the doors and I waid down, got my sleeping bag. I laid down and put my head down, expecting to just lay awake thinking about this monster that I just saw for you know, forever, and I instantly went to sleep. Man, it was weird, the weirdest thing ever. I just passed out. I woke up in the morning, and I got out of my car, and I looked around, and I went back to the tree where I was at went to go assess to see if I could smell anything or see if anything was off or anything like that. And I obviously, you know, I didn't see anything. If I'm sure there was footprints even I could have looked for, but I just didn't know at that time. I didn't know anything like that. And on the way up to the mountain, I had passed Cliff Barrickman's North American Bigfoot Center, but he had just established it and UH And on the way down from the mountain, I decided to stop in there to talk to him, to tell him about everything, because I needed to talk to somebody about this. I didn't really know who to talk to, and I felt like at that point I had not really I'd seen a couple episodes of Finding Bigfoot, but I wasn't a fan. I didn't really know who he was. I just assumed that there was a big Foot museum, and so I started heading my way there. I had I get there, and I walk in and I start talk, you know, talking with Cliff, and I tell him the story guy and he stands there listening to me. And after I got done telling my story, he told me that there was history of citing reports in in that area, including or and so much so that this area where I was in is actually one of the museum's research areas. UH. And so that if I saw what I think I saw then I probably did see it, and it just opened up my eyes. Man. And for anyone who's listening, if you get a chance, it's in Boring, Oregon, you should go check it out. It's a science museum, and you it's just a it's like it ain't so it's so intricate and so there's so much to it. It's you just you can't deny. And it completely opened up my my, my world, man, and it brought me down the rabbit hole one hundred percent. I've heard, you know, many times when people haven't experience they either it either scares them away or they dive head in first, head first. And I'm definitely dove headfirst. So that's kind of what that started my journey. Man. I started doing a podcast research deal off of that a couple of months after my encounter, and uh, I had started recruiting a couple of my friends man to be my research team members. But more so, more more than anything and more in research, I just I want to want these guys to get encounters and stuff, and uh kind of to prove to them like I look, I saw this, you believe me now type of thing. So but yeah, that's kind of where that's kind that's kind of where were what brought me to this whole subject? So yeah, that's uh a lot of stuff to bring you over to the side. Like usually people have something happened to why don't it really ever happen to anything again? So the fact that you had a couple of things happen, that's kind of cool, at least cool to me. Maybe some people out there listening, like I don't want any experiences, I mean some people don't. Yeah, Okayse, what about you? What brought you into this whole realm? All right? So so I grew up in Tennessee and moved out to the Pacific Northwest when I was twenty and currently now back in Tennessee. So my main stuff happened here in Tennessee when I was a kid with my whole family actually, and then I had more stuff happen out in out in Oregon. So we'll kind of give you a condensed version of or try I'll give as much details as I can. But so basically, my family and I it was my four adults and six kids counting myself. I had my sister and my four cousins. We went out to this one spot one night. And as with everything here in the South, everything's got a lore or some sort of ghost story or haunt or something. And so my family did during the summer and fall, we'd drive around and go, you know, look at stuff and try to scare stuff and whatnot. But this one particular area was kind of known for having like some weird things happen, and and specific they said that if you go into the spot, it's in a holler, so it's like dark in the daytime, one lane road, no lights at all on this whole strip. One end of the road goes into a giant cow farm. It's probably a couple hundred acres and stuff. So and there's like a little pull off. It's all a public land. And so the story is you go down there and you turn off your lights and if you just wait around, a pair of red glowing eyes will appear. And you know, no, I don't know anything happens. They just know that that much. That was the lore, that just a pair of red eyes will pop up and appear. And this is what my dad told us, you know, because he grew up in the area too. And this night they were just going to show us that it was actually just a spot where you go and hang out and party or just camp or whatever, or you know, that's what all you know, they did growing up. And so we get a fire going, you know, we get there around around dusk and get a fire going, and we're roasting hot dogs and marshmallows and just hanging out. And not soon after we got there and started getting the fire going, we kept smelling the strong, strong odor of It was a mix of wet dog, skunk, and then just something rotting, like you know, I don't know if you're a hunter been out in the woods and come up on like a rotting animal or a kill or something, but you know, just really really foul. But it was a mixture of those three smells specifically, and it would get really really strong and then fade off, and so we just kind of thought, you know, skunk whatever, you know, no big deal. But the whole night he kept getting stronger and then fade away and stronger and fade away, and culminating to this one point where my dad got My dad all of a sudden just kind of jumps up and gets all nervous and grabs the shotgun out of the truck because we're in the South at that time, everyone's got a shotgun in the truck, and so he gets it, he gets it out and just kind of has it there because you know, he's got all his kids around and he didn't know if someone was messing with us or what, so he was just kind of being protective and and I you know, we kind of get a little settled down, and my sister we had like one of those I don't know what kind of gas lantern, but the old school lanterns that had the burners on you light them up. And she went to go sit beside my dad and put her hand right on top of this lantern and screamed like really really loud, and this uh, you know, we were little kids, she was, I think it's happened when I was like nine or ten, so around eighty nine ninety, I think, And so she screams really really loud, you know, and we all go to take care of her. She's you know, she's kind of young, and we you know, kind of just aren't. Just diffuses the situation, and so we kind of get settled and then not long not long after that, we hear this crazy noise come from just outside of the firelight. That kind of sounded like a howl, and that scared the beajesas out of everybody. We all, like all us kids ran and jumped in the truck in the back of the truck, all the adults randing in the in the cab of the truck. And as we were leaving, I just remember my dad and uncles stopping and then you know, being like, you know, we can't just go leave the fire. We have to go back. So we kind of they stop. We're all freaking out, so we want them to go, but they they stop. They pour all the sodas, all the ice, everything on the fire it out and then you know, we take out. I take out out of there. And this is a one main road. If someone is coming down the road, you know, you you you're not it's gonna be very, very extremely hard, if impossible, for two cars to pass. And given that description for a reason. But so we're coming up and uh, like I said, we're in a holler. And I did this thing when we would drive around in the country, were sitting in the back of the truck where I would just click a flashlight on and off, and I wouldn't strove it, but I would just kind of click it on and click it off just I don't know. It was just something I did. And so we're driving out of there, and all of a sudden, my dad just punches the gas and I thought, we all kind of thought he was just trying to goof and you know, be like, oh, hang on, guys. And at that same time he punched the gas, I happened to click on the flashlight and illuminated this giant, eight foot tall being take this one lane road and one step, and what I remember is it was white, but not like a pop and white. And you know, because this is all dark, so even a light gray is going to illuminate very brightly in a pitch dark. I just remember it being very like white and very light and got a perfect side view of it, arms swinging, legs moving, definitely bipedal, and it took this one lane road and one step, like it started out on one side of the ditch. One step was middle of the road, the second step it was already on the other side of the road. And like I said, I saw arms swinging and it was definitely like the biggest animal anything I've ever seen and seemed like it was forever, but you know, there's we're driving away, but I saw it. And how I remember how I came up with eight feet was as an adult now I'm almost six ' three, and I always remember its hip in mid section came up to the exact height of the truck bed because this was like very very close to the truck, like if it had taken a step sooner, it would have ran into the truck. And given where I was sitting in the back of the truck, if I'd have looked left, I probably would have put you know, been looking right at it, or might have even had my face in its chest or stomach or whatever. But because it was very very close to the to the truck, and it was like the moment we passed, it was taking the step. So it was very very close. And we drive off and we get to the this to where the road stops, and there's a there's a big dairy farm, and I remember looking up and seeing my dad at the front of the truck with his hands on his knees kind of been over and my uncle it's like talking to him and stuff, and don't I couldn't hear him but I just remember. I just remember that scene and later on actually about it. A little over a year ago, I talked to my uncle and I revisited it, uh, because I'll go around and I was trying to talk to other family members being an adult and being like, what do you remember of this event? And almost everyone that was there except for me, my sister, one of my cousins, and the uncle, I was just talking about, like they all say, Oh, I don't know what I saw, because I always wondered what the adults saw in the front of the truck because it had to have been right there on the side of the road when we were coming up the hill, and you know, the lights had to have hit it. So I, you know, I asked him what he saw, and in that discussion he told me that a lot of things that I didn't remember actually are don't or didn't recall, but he was saying, so backing up where my dad got the shotgun out of the truck. Right before that event, my dad, I guess saw something like because we were right next to a creek and he would see he saw something right next to the creek and could see a silhouette. Couldn't make out what it was. And he was telling my uncle like, hey, what do you see that? What is that? And he said, yeah, I see that. And they were hearing grunts and growls coming from that area, and I guess he said they were something was it was throwing rocks and dirt at us and that and that's what prompted my dad to get the shotgun out of the truck. And and then as we were leaving, he was because he was drying, he was riding shotgun in the front and as we were leaving, he was watching this one. Well, they said, so my dad always said there were two of them, and but I only ever saw the one. And my uncle backed this statement up in this interview that I had with him, where he said, yeah, there were two of them and they were running keeping up with the truck and Peyton, basically pacing us out of that area. And he said one was walking fucking and he said one was swinging from the trees. And he said he remember because he saw it grab a branch and the branch broke and he watched it hit the ground. And they were scared that those two beings were gonna jump in the back of the truck and grab us kids. That's that's what they thought it was trying to do. So that's why they were scared and trying to get out of there. And I talked to my sister, and she doesn't like to talk about it. She said it scares her, and so she doesn't even like to bring up the subject. Or she said she doesn't even like to drive by that road and or anything. So and I was like, well, you know, I gotta know, like, just tell me about it. And so she remembers, she doesn't remember things getting thrown at us, but she remembers my other cousins throwing rocks and stuff at it and saying that they had scared it off. And then that kind of triggered the memory of like, okay, I remember that, and just thinking that they were bull crapping trying to be tough and be like, yeah, we scared whoever that was away, and so too I gave, you know, gave no credit or creed or anything to to that, and and so so all that that was all happened that night. The next day we went right back out there because we were like, let's see if anyone was out there, or see if we can figure this out. Or you know some you know, if someone was out there, we can sort it out. And at the very least, we're just gonna go hike and hike that area. So we go there, and you know, we're kind of on edge a little bit. This is the daytime, and they go by the creek. My dad, my uncle, and my cousins. They went by the creek to see if there are any footprints, and they said they found some really large footprints. Again, I thought they were bull crapping, so I didn't even go near the creek, which I kicked myself for not going. But they went down there and saw giant footprints and they were like, yeah, someone was definitely over here, blah blah blah. You know, okay, And as we were going to hit on this trail at that time, there were three giant ditches that were dug out to keep people from driving back off in there, because this is like public land, but they didn't want people driving, you know, their vehicles all back there and stuff. And so these are probably about five or six foot ditches that were I don't know, probably about fifteen or twenty feet long, or I might be I'm terrible at distance, but they were they were large ditches with big mounds the dirt on top of the ditches to create burns. And so we're jumping over these berns and on the third one we look down and there's a deer in there with its head completely twisted around, like its head looking looking where it wouldn't be normally. It was popped, it was broken, and I just remember making the statement of like, wow, this deer kind of biffed it, you know, he ate it it. He missed the jump and ate it into the into the ditch, and it had like this back end kind of chewed on and was definitely ate on down by its leg and its haunches and uh. And then again later as an adult piecing this together, I was like, wait a minute, deer. Deer don't dive headfirst into stuff. You know that the most they might break their legs or something, but they don't just dive headfirst in it. And its head was definitely like broken, like something had twisted and popped its neck. So my theory is, with us being there, it came back to maybe it was maybe hungry and was coming back for that deer. And then here we all all are sitting around kind of basically blocking it from being able to go get food, and with my sister yelling, it might have, you know, kind of put it off a guard because of the screams that they do and such, and instead of kind of roaring or screaming at us, it just kind of made this hel sound. Years later, my g get a message on Facebook messenger with it. It just says what does this sound like? And it's from my cousin. So I listened to it, and it's a game cam footage from around this area of a wildcat or we call them wildcats, they're bobcats or mountain lions. And it says mountain lion or bobcat mating call. And it sounded almost identical to the to the sound that we heard. I mean, they're almost identical. And so I think it was trying to make like it was mimicking a cat sound to get us out of there, to scare us out of there, which it totally worked and it did. And yeah, that's kind of the ten to see experience. And then years later, being out in the Pacific Northwest, I got into mushroom hunting and foraging and so I was always out. When I moved to Oregon. I was always out there on Mount Hood and this one time, see what happened first? I think the sound happened first. So we were we were hunting for morels with my other group of friends or my friend and his wife and their dogs, and we were on the morels. They were popping. Man, it was a great season, and we were on them, and we were kind of, you know, our thing was we kind of split up and come back and in the same basic area. And so we had done that, and my friend's wife had found a half shed, half a deer shed, so we were kind of she came back, we were talking about that and as we're talking over to my right over the trail into the wood into the woodline, we here just like this kind of I mean, not exactly like that, but kind of a similar sound. And I thought it was my friend and I was like, oh man, he's on them, and about fifteen yards directly behind me, he pipes up and says, guys, that wasn't me. And so we were just like, holy shit, man, what was that. And we're kind of just kind of sat puzzled for a minute. And I was like, okay, but we all heard that, right, and We're like, yeah, so the dogs aren't freaking out. So we were like, okay, well we're on the mushrooms, let's just still go for him. And so we still we just kind of kept foraging and found and that was kind of the weird sound that we heard there. And in that same area, I think later that season or maybe possibly the next season, I have to look at the date on the picture, but we were kind of that same area foraging again, and I was walking around looking and I just happened to kind of kind of stop and look, and I saw a giant footprint where I was like, and I got bummed because I was like, oh man, someone's already been in our area, you know, getting them, getting the mushrooms, staying it. And then I kind of am staring and looking at it, and it looks like a giant barefoot footprint, and I'm like, wait a minute, and then it all starts clicking, and I put alm a size twelve, and I put my shoe beside it, and then it's a it's maybe a half inch larger than my shoe and definitely a lot wider, but as clear as day, it looks like a barefoot footprint, right in the dirt, and so I call my friends over the same the same friends that we heard the whoop with, and I was like, you guys, am I tripping here? Or am I looking at what I think I'm looking at? And we're all just kind of like we're just dumbfounded, like wow, you know, we're on We're on top of the mountain. We're like just a few thousand feet from the summit. You know, like, no, your biggest hippie is not going to be running around this area barefoot because it's just too dangerous. And so I got some pictures of it, and it was like, wow, that was kind of a trip. And following year, in the same area, doing the same thing, I was with my dog, just a solo trip, and I found another smaller print that was maybe the size of my hand but kind of looks like a footprint. Definitely odd. And yeah, those are kind of the two things, the things that happened out there in the Pacific Northwest. And but ever since that first experience, it scared a lot of people. You know, my family members, they used to go he even said, my uncle even said that they used to go out in the woods and exploring a lot because there's to of caves down here, there's everyone's into hunting and all that stuff, and they used to do all that and since that event, they he said, that just stopped him right dead in their tracks. They stopped hunting, they stopped exploring, they stopped doing anything. But for me, it never scared me. I was just kind of like, Okay, well, this is just something else that's out in the woods to be aware of. And you know, I didn't have a place for my brain in it, but I was just kind of like, I know what I saw and that was definitely real, and so they're definitely out there. And then you know, years later, being out on the Pacific Northwest, it's a big part of the culture out there, and I was like, oh, yeah, I told you know. It was just like a family thing, that story that we all had from back here. And I shared that with my friend's wife, who was really into into the subject, and she got me listening to Sasquatch Chronicles, and then I think met Tyler on another forum with Sasquatch and said, hey, guys putting together a podcast, you should get with him and tell him your story. And so we did and just totally spark sparked a friendship because we're a kind of in a lot of the similar stuff, and so I was like, yeah, dude, and just kind of became fast friends and that spawned our friendship. And those are kind of my experiences to date with it so far. How long you guys been doing the podcast twenty nineteen? About four years? Yeah, four or five years then, Now that was right around the time where I started doing or started listening into stuff for podcasting. But now it sounds like you guys had some interesting experiences for sure. Now you guys are fans of Sasquatch Chronicles. I was actually on an episode recently of his show, But there is He always asked the audience, I'll pull a wes here, what do you guys think they are? Yeah? That's good me personally. Uh, I honestly believe that they're just you know, part of the family brand or not family branch parantipis, you know, like like if anyone knows Lucy Lucy was a was a paranthepis and uh I believe that, you know there's uh so. So I work at the North American big Foot Center and in the back we have a display, uh and uh, it's astro Epithecus is what I'm thinking of. Or no, no, not austro I'm sorry, Uh, that's completely wrong. I'm yes, Uh, Astrolopithecus is correct. And that is this family branch of what lucy Is belongs to, and Paranthepis is in that family genome. And that is what I believe the Sasquatch species is. If you look at if you look at just history and of what we found scientifically with our ancestors, and it fits the niche. It it fits completely one hundred percent. And all of our research that we've done, you know, we found footprints me and Casey this last summer. Just found a possible handprint in the mount National Forest. We've heard lots of noises, experienced lots of things. It all leads to just a physical, flesh and blood animal. It's in my opinion that if they were, you know, supernatural of any of any sort, they wouldn't be going through people's garbage cans, or leaving piles of poop on the ground, or leaving footprints or hamdprints or or hair samples or whatever. You know. There's just so much physical things, so many physical things to be found with this with this subject. Uh it so that's it. So that leads me to believe that they're just no different than a bear cougar. How do you explain some of the strange activity that people will encounter with them, know, like the footprints just end. They seem to come blind a tree and they're just gone. Something that's in football. There's just beer. There's a lot of weird stuff that comes up with the like the sasquatch lord and stuff that you hear. So personally, I think with that, I think they tend to jump up into the trees and go into the trees. I got nothing to base that on other than I was thinking how everyone describes their giant traps and the long arms and such like that, and I tend to, you know, not really equating them to monkeys or anything, however, just kind of being monkey like in that. You know, Hey, you got long arms, you got big traps. I could probably get around up in the trees as quick as I can get around on foot, and or maybe even faster, you know. And what's the quickest way to ditch, to ditch anything chasing you or to disappear is just to go up because you know us as humans, as being primitive, even going back to the primitive and chro magnet man, you know, we're as being hunters. We're looking on the horizon and looking for movement. We're not necessarily looking up or anything like that. That's just my own opinion of the foot tracks disappearing, and again to I agree with you know, Tyler, I kind of think it's definitely a physical being. However, I don't know, I don't know how to explain the other weirdness that comes along with that, the woo woo side of it. Yeah. Yeah, Oh. I was just gonna say one time, actually one of the second or third time of hanging out with Tyler and uh, going up to this one spot that we go to, Uh, we were out doing some call blasting and just kind of you know, it's a beautiful spot in general. So when the sun was going down, we I think we were going up there to cast something or cast a possible track behind one of our research camps that we had, and you know, we were coming off, We're like, let's just stop and check it out. You know, it's a beautiful area and overlooking a big valley and if you look to the left, you can see Mount Saint Helens out and Mount Adams and Mount Rainier. It's it's pretty wild spot, real special. And so we were kind of doing some call blasting and stuff and it was me Tyler and was it your cousin or other buddy, Yeah, you're ready, Ben, And we were standing there and we were all just kind of, you know, in the moment, and ourselves were kind of a little bit apart from each other, and suddenly I just became frozen, like I just I couldn't move, I couldn't walk. I was just I was standing, but I was like frozen in place. And because I was about to go to Tiger, or what happened was I was walking towards Tyler, and I thought I saw a movement out of the corner of my eye. So I saw, I stopped and looked and and saw. I was just kind of standing there for a minute. And then the way I described is, you know, like when we were all kids playing hide and seek and you're in the shadow and you're not sure if you were seen or not, so you kind of take a side step to see if you were seen. That's kind of what happened, and that what I thought I was looking at a tree, like the whole tree moved, like took a side step, and I was like, okay, So I'm kind of just staring at it, trying to figure out if that's what I saw or not. And then that's you know, in those moments, that's when all of a sudden, I just became like frozen and locked into place. And then just suddenly I felt a big tingling in my head and then all down my back and in my legs, and then I just like like just tears were just I wasn't sad or crying, but just tears were just streaming down my face. And at that time, Tyler comes walking back and he looks at me. He's like, dude, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm not in control of this. I can't move. I was like I thought I saw a tree move, and now I'm just kind of frozen, like I can talk, but I cannot move from this spot. And he's just kind of like trying to figure out what's going on, because, like I said, like the second or third time we'd hung out or gone out, and so he's trying to figure out if I'm having like an emotional breaker, you know whatever. So I'm just like, yeah, dude, I'm not sad. I'm not crying. This is just I don't know what's going on, but you know, I just this is just happening. And then so waiting a few minutes and the feeling kind of tingling kind of goes away and I can move my hands and I'm like, okay, I can step now, and then still kind of standing there because now Tyler's beside me, and he's like, dude, I think I just saw something go behind a tree or peek behind a tree. And I was like, yeah, that's what I'm looking at. And he says, no, dude, it's this tree over here. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm looking right at it. And mind you, it's getting dark. You can kind of see some stuff, but the light's fading fast, and you know, and so we're kind of looking down and I don't know which tree he's looking at. He doesn't know which one I am, and he thinks I'm talking about a different tree. And so I said, okay, look, man, on the count of three, I'm going to count to three. And when I say three, let's just both point to the tree. We were talking about, and he's like, okay, so I say it once you three and we both point at the exact same tree, like that one right there, and we kind of look at each other like okay, and uh because that was what initiated that whole thing, and uh so I told him that, and uh then it just kind of that's all that accumulated out of that. But you know, there's hard to explain like weirdness like that. You know, like I don't know where to I know I experienced it, Tyler witnessed it, but like where do you put that? You know, well, like well like me personally like for that and obviously that that happened a couple of years ago, and since then, I've I've gotten a chance to hang out while working at the museum and get to learn about that stuff. I truly believe that it's very possible that that was infesson that got directed at you, Casey. Sure. I still don't know as far as like the disappearing and stuff whatnot. Uh you know, people claiming that they see a sasquatch and it just zones out, like disappeared completely. I don't know about you know, it pixelating out Like I've heard people explain, I honestly have no clue what to think about that, but I know, like, and a good example for this is the Freeman footage. If you take a look at the at the Freeman footage at one at one point in that in in that frame of videos, the subject completely stops. And that subject is huge. It's about eight foot the cliff and the guys just did a bunch of measurements out out there, three D mapping all that stuff. But it completely it blends in like it looks like it's just a tree and you were you were just watching it move. So I truly believe that. Like, and one of my my manager, has seen one. And when you saw it, he got it was just a tree stump. And it wasn't until he pointed at it and the hair rose on its arm that he knew that it was a sasquatch. I've heard stories of of hunters, you know, archery hunters, walking through the forest and sitting there and they sit to eat a sandwich or something like that, and they sit there and watch a stump stand up and walk away. You know, it's just so many different aspects of there's miss misidentifications, and I believe in a lot of things too, like not not the poop poo poos on anyone's parade or anything like that. But perfect example is I believe that we're talking about earlier, the Beast of Ray Road is a is a misidentified sasquatch. That's what I believe that to be, just from the distance and the description. There's all the surrounding details about it. So uh. And I was this last summer I was invited to go to it's a gathering of an invitation only with sasquatch researchers called beach Foot in Oregon. And there's a guy who runs the North American Wood Ape Conservancy or no, no, no, it's not n a w AC. I can't remember his company name right now, but man by the name of Todd Nice gave his gave a speech, and in that speech he talked about watching the National Geographic Channel show about the wild. It was one of those Planet Life, Life Planet episodes about life that night, and they were talking the camera. Guys were talking about how even after they turn off their night vision on the cameras, they can still see all the animal's eyes glowing in the dark. And it's from a refractory that happens in the eyeball. Even though we as humans see pitch blackets never pitch black out in the wild. There's always some sort of light illuminated. There's there's moon illumination, even if we can't see it. There's star illumination. Uh. And if you have a predatoristic eyeball that it's got more than eight layers in it, it's gonna absorb all that light and it's gonna almost look like it's glowing back at you. So that's I personally believe that's how you hear these stories of people seeing these glowing eyes in the woods when there's no what we see, no apparent light available to create that. So I mean and from and you know, obviously I don't know everything, but that's from according to what my research has shown. It's just it makes the most sense that uh, you know, it's it's all conventionally scientifically explainable, with the exception of you know, obviously, like I said, I don't know everything. So then you get into like Ron Moorehead's quantum bigfoot stuff, and I don't. I we don't know. Science doesn't know enough about quantum physics to even I that for me, So I don't have an opinion on that stuff, but yeah, I mean that's kind and that's kind of what we base our research in our podcast off of Brandon. It's kind of you know, we're we're we're we're just citizen scientists. That hence the name of my podcast. People who take the research serious. They get in a conventionally scientific method. That way, if when and if the species is ever identified and recognized by science, this team, along with many others when Olympic Project, for example, out of Washington State, if we can supply data that's been peer reviewed and all this whatnot, you know, whatnot, it can aid to that, which is the whole, the whole reason we have this this podcast. It started out as a storytelling podcast, and I quickly learned that my passion is not in the story so much, it's more in the research. So we kind of just took it more more so, took turn into research and changed split our podcast up. All of our storytelling stuff is on Bigfoot in the Citizen Scientists podcast, and all of our YouTube stuff or I'm sorry, all of our research stuff videos of us out in the Mountain National Forest, little documentary style stuff is on on YouTube at the Squatchologists podcast, and and that's so that's how we keep all up, keep up to date, keep people up to date, and including other researchers and whatnot in this subject. You know, it's as much as there's infighting, we all are pretty much one big, happy family, sometimes not happy so much. But you mentioned the in fighting. I've seen that there's quite a bit of drama involved in the whole cryptid community one way or the other. So I try and just keep my head down. I do what I do, and if I piss people off, I don't really care because it's my show. I do what I want. Yeah, and with our research too, where we try to definitely try to rationalize what made the sound or what caused something. We're not like you know, someone who is just like, here's a fart in the woods and it's like, oh man, that you know, bigfoot taking a shit out there? Yeah, yeah, that was it. You know, we definitely try to be like, Okay, you know this hat, Okay, we see a possible stick structure. Okay, well let's look at it. Okay, Well, the bottom of it's broken out, it's rotted out. Here's the stump, you know what I mean, like, okay, well, you know, and just using that as an example, but you're not going out there and saying everything is sasquatch. You're looking for reasons to write it off, to scientifically prove that this could be a sasquatch. Because I've said this with people in the paranormal realm too. If you go out ghost tutting everything's paranormal to you, you're not really doing anything because automatically you're thinking everything's a ghost. Well that's not how that works, right, right, right, Yeah, I get it. I'm glad there's people out there that like that, that look for the scientific parts of Bigfoot, because I think, like I said a little bit ago, there's these TV shows that go out there and I just shake my head. I don't even want them anymore because they're just straight up entertainment. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. The only the only TV show, in my opinion, the only TV show worth it's salt worth watching, is Finding Bigfoot. And that's only certain seasons because after a while, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a TV show. It's made for TV. Yeah, So you know that's why, you know, if a good A good judge of these is if they're finding something, uh some big find. Every single episode, you know that there's something to be to be concerned about this sheff. But again, it's it's it's entertainment, you know, So take it for what it is. I've had people talk about mountain monsters or anything like that. Show is not real at all. It is are awesome, it's a funny show. But don't take it seriously. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean. And we do events man, like we got at the end of this month January twenty sixth and twenty seventh, we were doing squatch Fest and Longview, Washington. That's it'll be about a fifteen fifteen to two thousand person event. We'lle our booth there. This last spring, me and one of my research partners, my cousin Dustin, went up to the Olympic Peninsula for a week long vacation and on the way back down in Greenwater, Washington, we found a slide down possible subsquatch slide with two heal impressions and a hillside along with a possible foot impression across the road from the slide. So we'll have that at the booth displaying that and along with the handprint possible handprint that Casey and I just found up out in the mountain Head Marshall Forest. So we've always got big things going Uh. We're just always always trying to share what we have going on with people. So it's just so so exciting. But yeah, man, uh yeah, if you guys come across anything cool, will always send it my way. I'll make sure to check it out. That's the one thing with me is I've always been fascinated with big Foot, and even as a kid, the Patterson Gimblin film, I always remember seeing it and everyone's like, oh, it's just a man in a suit. Is like, it didn't look like a man in a suit to me even as a kid, So yeah, that's that's that's that's one of the funniest arguments because if it was a man in a suit, why the man, the man that created that suit should be a billionaire at this point because they've never been able to produce it again mm hmm. This was back in the sixties. The guy wasn't rich or anything, so the suit was designed and with modern enhancements and everything, they're like, oh, look how it walks because they stabilized it, so it does walk a little more humanish, but when you stabilize it, you see more muscle definition. So they're not really making a point to prove that it's fake unless the guy was a straight up just a hairy man walking naked like there's no other way of facing it, were there what I say, Well, there are a lot of hippie communes up there, just Joe. No, it's for for me and what it should be for everyone else is the surrounding circumstances outside of the film. So the film itself, obviously is is fascinating. But at the end of the day, and if you can compare it to even just like the Freeman film, uh, the Independent Independence Day film, if you look at and that's all opinionated, I believe that the the Independence Day footage is possibly authentic. But you look at him and the a sasquatch looks like a human in a suit. That's just how they look. That's how they it's it's not until you start seeing them like their footprints and and and you really start paying attention to their legs and how they glide versus walk. It's not a glide, it's more of like a slide, the way they move their feet, but the surrounding, the surrounding the film, the PG film itself. Uh that for it to be an authentic hoax, that would have been that would have meant that to like just nobody cowboys knew about the mid tarsal break in the foot in morphology, which wasn't even known by eight experts at that time, so it wasn't attributed to the apes he's at all whatsoever, And we to this day you can look there's a straight mid tarcel break in the middle of one of the all of them, but the one I'm thinking of the Patterson Gimwin footprint, the cast of it. So I mean you you you literally and what was it Less Stroud from a survivor man spent was it ten thousand dollars and something like that fifty thousand dollars? Yeah, trying to, Yeah, trying to try and reproduce a foot to see if he could trick doctor Jeff Meldrum. And he still couldn't hit Meldrums. So you know, I mean, there's experts in this field that back this this subject. So the fact that people still say that is a hoax is just beyond me to this day. So yeah, he's one person I actually would love to have on this show, is less Stroud. I love Survivor man, not just for the Bigfoot, but like I always watched his show anyways, and then he did big Foot, I guess is awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. But yeah, man, I mean that's that's kind of like what brought us, brought us here at this point. Now, you know, Casey's in Tennessee. I mean he's been there for about a year year or so, and he's he's got he's out near where he had his sighting when he was a kid, so he's been kind of doing research out there. We implement like long term recorders, long duration recorders what we call in ld RS, and we can record up to like two months at a time. We have game cams out there. At one of our spots is about two miles off the beaten path I put in the back of the lake, and we're actually analyzing audio from a two month project, audio recording project right now. So we're only about halfway through and so far it's nothing yet but probably a little under halfway. But there's I mean, it's a lot of audio. Man there are twelve hour incremented twelve hour incremented recording sessions at a time, so day to day, so twelve on and twelve off. But with the game cams, we've gotten deer and elk, bear, rabbit, coyotes, so I mean, you know, and we use the game cams to establish the game. I think the game trails, because where the game trails are, the predators will be and sasquatch is more likely a predator where they hunt. From what we've found, there's stories that we've heard they're more than likely extremely an extreme editor, you know the uh They a lot like the cougar, more likely sit and wait alongside a game trail. There's stories from Native American cultures of elders seeing sasquatches taking deer and elk just standing there on the side of you know, standing there like a stump like I was talking about earlier, and as they passed by them and to chase them down and break their break their legs. More times than not, if if the deer elk is killed by a sasquatch, and this is still can be found repetitive to this day. Uh, that's the neck is broken right below the uh. The verb what is it the sorry, I'm trying to think right now. It's the neck bone down to the shoulder, so it's like right right right at the shoulder level is where the break is always and the back right leg is always or one of the back legs is always broken split. So there, and there's been carcasses that have been found that way without knife cut on the bones or anything, and without scavenger remains, which is unexplicable. I mean, that's pretty insane. So they kind of wins credence to those ideology ideology or not ideology, those stories, I guess. So yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm rambling, man, That's all good. Yeah, how do you guys feel about other cryptids? Definitely super interested in it for sure, man, because like you said at the beginning, if you know, if you got you got all these people saying they saw something, it's got to be something, you know, it's got to be some kind of backup you know, experience to it. And uh, just for me personally because of my experience, Like I don't discredit anybody, you know on the craziest thing somebody said they saw, whether it's in the woods or you know, even in the paranormal realm or whatever they say they saw something. I give it some credit, you know, because you know, listen to me, I saw a giant eight foot being walker's walk a one lane road and throw stuff at my family, So you know that itself stuff. Yeah. I tell people that they're just like okay, sure, like there's no mistaking that. Yeah. And I've heard people think that like maybe a dog man is a misidentified sasquatch or a different speed subspecies of sasquatch or something, so like, I don't know, man, I'm definitely interested in it for sure, just just the whole aspect of everything, you know, just dog man or any kind of creature really, you know, just is like fascinating. Well, I'll give you a little rundown. Like I said, I'm going to edit this out of my own podcast, but I will give you a little bit of rundown on my run in with what could have possibly been a dog man. And fair warning that I am a skeptic, so it's even better. I always look for rational explanations for things, and I try and fifteen years I've wrote off what happened because in my mind, there's no such thing as a friggin' dog man. But I cannot explain it. I mean, honestly, man like like like I like I said earlier, I'm not a big I don't I don't xname people's stories. That's not what I do. I don't say. I'm not saying. And anyone and everyone with with the dog Man's story is lying or they're just saying whatever they You know that I because I honestly believe, well, I want to believe people. But that's my main you know, that's and so when I hear but knowing my background, there's no scientific basis that I know of in my mind for it. But I believe your story, dude. So I'm honestly scared shitless right now, like it truly because you know, I've been sitting here going through my mind trying to analyze the situation of from what you've described, uh, and I'm I've gone over, you know, the the ide idea that maybe it maybe it was a Sasquatch, or if it wasn't a Sasquatch at first, you know, maybe it was because I believe in other world only things. I don't think any of it's connected to Senisquatch. But I believe that they're that they're there, and if it was, if it was some sort of it's uh right, well to be cliched, there was some sort of demon and it needed to present itself in my mind is where it goes. What better form would be, like, Oh, this person finds the unnatural comfortable. So instead of being in my true form, what's you know? That's reaching to a whole other level? Man? So I don't know. I just I don't know what to think about that subject in your So you're about five hours or so from Michigan, right, Yeah, I could be honestly about an hour and a half. I can hit the Michigan line. I'm I'm in northern Indiana, like north central Indiana. So okay, okay, So I mean the you're close enough. I know most most, if not well, from when I've little research I've done on it. Uh, most of the stories come from that part of the United States, and so it kind of lines up with what you were, you know, or it all winds up and I don't know. I don't know though. Yeah, y'all can keep your dog man, just keep keep him over there, keep keep him out of my woods. I want to I want to be in my forest every day. Like I said, I've never experienced anything like that before, and I've never experienced anything like that afterwards, and I hear people's story. I've had people on my show with dog man encounters, and I've listened to some other stuff with dog man things, and a lot of it, it doesn't make any sense, like as a physical animal with that you mentioned demonic And this is where I'm gonna take it, because if you look back at some of these encounters, there's certain things about them that are not natural. Obviously, an upright walking canine is not natural anyways. There's no never been anything biologically like that evolutionary. But people say, and they say the same thing sometimes with sasquatch woul mind speak. People have said these things will come to their doors or windows and look at them, and it talks to them. It'll say let me in, but it's not speaking them with its mouth like they hear the voice in their head. If you're an eight foot tall werewolf looking thing, why would someone have to let you in? Why couldn't you just burst through the door and eat them? They have to be invited in. That sounds like vampire lore, but that also sounds like demons, like you need to invited in. You can't just come into your house. You have to let it in. And a lot of people always talk about, oh, they see it, and they automatically they just start peeing on themselves, are so afraid, and the thing will like laugh at them, like it almost smiles at them, like it said, joys the being terrified. What feeds on fear a negative energy. So I've always leaned towards if these things exist. I don't think they're an animal. I think they're an energy of something negative. And even the old and I don't want to screw up the terminology, but like they claim that these things used to be like the protectors of the dead. They were the gatekeepers of eighties or something like that. And again that all and even like ancient I don't always say ancient, but like Native American Low or whatever, some tribes or whatever. They said these things protected the dead, like they'd be around like their burial grounds or whatever. They patrolled burial grounds for the natives. It's like you mentioned all the dead things. You mentioned all the stuff that they do, the fact that they could talk to people in their head, and again all the styles woo woo shit, but it's it has more of a demonic essence to us, some more of an evilness to itself, I think. And I'm not a very spiritual person, like I'm not religious in any sense, but I don't know. Like I said, there's definitely some weird things that go on, and I'm not one person to ever say I know what the hell is going on because I don't. And if I think anyone says they have all the answers, I typically think they don't because no one has all these answers. Might have opinions or ideas, but if everyone had the answers, then there'd be a lot more well known exactly. But no, that's the that's the reason I did the podcast. Like I told the guy I worked with, and this was a couple of years ago, I was expecting him to either laugh or talk about it other than he just kind of sat there in silence. I was like, well, he thinks I'm crazy, I was like, but I felt better talking about it, So I was like, you know what, screw it. I want to do the podcast, and I'm just going to get a platform for people to come on to share their experiences maybe listen to other people talk about their experiences won't make me feel so bad about my own. And then I was like, maybe to help people with theirs two So helping me and helping them is kind of therapeutic, absolutely, man, I know what you mean. Well, so, Casey, do you have any questions? Uh? Yeah, I was gonna ask. So like your coworker that was driving ahead of you, he just kind of shut down, and like even with you talking to him and asking him about it, he just doesn't say anything about it or like what he just what he saw or anything. I don't know, like what he'd thought or what he'd saw. Like obviously he saw the thing in the road because he had to swerved to miss it, and then he was behind me. He wasn't out on the ground with me, so I don't know if he actually saw the dog thing itself standing up because he was parked behind me, my vehicles in front of him, So I don't know what all he saw from that aspect, But I know he saw the mouse. We were standing there talking about the mouse, And I know he saw the first thing in the road because he had to swerve to miss it, and then he was the one who said he didn't have a head, he didn't have arm, like he'd saw all that because he literally went off in the grass to avoid it. Okay, but no, he didn't want to talk about it. And to be honest, I don't know whatever happened to the guy, Like he went to first shift like a couple maybe a month or two later, and then he ended up getting laid off. And I've never talked to the iver since then, so I don't know whatever happened to him. But also very exceptionally brave and ballzy of you to turn around and to get out of your truck to be like someone said, They're like, oh, you're very You're very brave. I was like, or freaking stupid. I was like, if hindsight's twenty twenty, I'm like, yeah, it might be brave to get out and go and investigate. But like now, knowing the things that I know and the stories I've heard and stuff like that, was like, I wouldn't get out because I don't know this damn thing is gonna do. Yeah. I think that's when it goes back with the dog man lore too, as though, like they say, it feeds on fear, And someone said well, you didn't show it any fear you got, and you just stood there and stared at it. You weren't afraid of it. Because I wasn't a right the whole time this was going on, I wasn't afraid. I was confused. Sure, I was more like, what the hell is this? Like that was I wasn't like, oh my god, I got to run away. I just like, it's just think standing up. Yeah. So no, because the whole time I still thought it was just a big dog like that's you heard any of Martin Grove stories or anything of his stuff. I have, and I would actually like to have him on. Everyone said he's such a nice guy, this sweet guy and awesome guys. I'd really like to talk to him. But my problem with that is I'm skeptical about it. Okay, I don't want to be confrontational about it, but there's things in that story that don't really Yeah, there's there's things that I would I would have questions about. I'll just leave it at that. I'm not going to try and discredit the guy or anything like, I don't want to try and discredit anybody. There's there's definitely some things that I kind of wander about, especially the guy that he'd ran into into the woods earlier. Then they end up find out that that guy died, but there's no report of anybody ever dying, Like, there's no record of that someone's supposedly like dug into that. I've never done the research, but I've read some stuff where people claiming the things that he'd said were disproven. So I don't know, okay, And see, I'm kind of on the other side where I'm like, he's got all these accolades for being a police officer, you know what I mean? Is that with you know? But who's to say, Hey, I just I thought it was just pretty wild that he saw both dog Man and Bigfoot at the same time. That's kind of what I was like, Uh what, it's definitely I would love to talk to him. Sure, And I'm not trying to, like I said, say I believe it or I dis believe that. There's just certain things about it that don't really It makes me wonder, like I don't know, yeah, like I said, I don't know. Yeah. And there's there's a lot of dog Man stories that come out of the land, the LBL land between the Lakes area, which is about I want to say, about four or five hours from me, going kind of northwest, actually kind of heading up towards your area, going up toward the Kentucky Illinois I guess Illinois, not Indiana, but Illinois area. You guys, not to hit her up, but I just was thinking about this. Do you know of any black mountain lions or black panthers or anything jaguars in your guys area. Uh, I was gonna say, I there's been, so they're extremely rare, but I think in the past, like one hundred years or something, there's been like one or two. But they call melanialistic mountain lions. We I say, I didn't really pay attention to what it was. We were driving back from Florida two weeks ago. Oh, yeah, Florida has the black panther. Well, we were in I think it was North Carolina, right before we got into Tennessee. I don't remember the highway we were on. I'd have to ask my wife. She saw it because I was driving. On the side of the road was a big black she said, a black panther was dead on the side of the road. I saw something dead, but I couldn't tell what it was. Driving through the mountains of like seventy miles an hour, I'm not really paying attention to the roadkill. But she swore it looked like a big black cat, and I thought maybe it was a black dog because it was really big, so it wasn't a normal cat. And I told her. She's like, she asked me if they have mountain lions in the area or like black panthers, like I don't know, like the Carolina Panthers of a football team. I was like, maybe they haven't. So I like googled it and it says there's no black cats in North America. Well, yeah, TWRI, which is the Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency, the game wardens they call them here. But the t WRI says officially there are no mountain lions of any type in Tennessee. However, you talk to any hunter or anybody that's live in this area, and there's they have seen them in fact. So I got a twin uncles, and one of the twins lives probably about thirty minutes away from me in kind of southern Tennessee northern Alabama area, and he's got he's got a mountain lion on his property where he was out driving his tractor mowing, and he's got to carry like a forty four magnum just because there was one that was stalking him once where he kind of stopped to go pee and he heard a noise and looked over and there was one laying in the bushes right neck like, not far from him. So he let off a few rounds and watched it run off. Yeah, like, they're definitely here, and I think there are. Yeah, all that I told her. I wanted to turn around, if that's what it really was, and go throw it on the roof of the vand obviously didn't do that. I wish, I wish, I really wish I would have, and I would have tried to figure out a way to tie it to the roof of the vand and be like, oh, they don't exist. Wow, here it is. Oh that's that's that's how Florida is too. The State of Florida state or states that there's no or no black cats in the state at all whatsoever. But you can go to YouTube and find videos of them walking on the boardwalks out there. So yeah, I don't understand all that, but that's that was kind of what I was hitting back to is like, if this thing is actually out here and they're denying it's out there, what else is out there that they say doesn't really be exists out here absolutely? And with that you can get into all other things like the thunderbirds and other giant animals that people will see. I will be having a gire bird episode here soon. Oh no way, cool. Yeah, I have an interview schedule here in the next couple of weeks with someone to sell thunderbird out and the Bridgewater Triangle. Oh wow. And then I actually I have an episode coming out about giants here soon too, the Love or the Giants. Well yeahs, yeah, I didn't work if someone did a lot of research on that, so he's going to be on here. They already recorded it so should be coming out here in a couple of weeks. We have a local history of the giants of the Ohio and Tennessee Valley, kind of a typical one of battling with the Native Americans, of similar stories you heard elsewhere where. They were coming in stealing livestock and then started, you know, stealing animals and stuff. There's an old stone fort which is a neighboring It's in the same county I am. But supposedly that's why the Native Americans chose that spot too. It was not only for it's the ability to catch the sunlight year around and be able to grow, but it had a natural fort around it so that they could defend it from the giants and from other people as well. That's actually a I have another episode coming out too. It's not about giants, but it's about the opposite, the little people. Oh puckwudgies and stuff like that. But I want to get into a Kentucky goblin type episode I've had. I talked to someone one of the first people I interviewed, and he was talking about it was for bigfoot stuff, but then he mentioned that they were on a walk and they saw something look like a gollumn and obviously from the Lord of the Rings. I was like, they were in from Kentucky, Southern India's like, that sounds like a Kentucky goblin. Yeah, He's like, Oh, what's like? Oh, what's funny is this picture up here? I know the guy that drew that or whatever, he's a really good artist. It's a Kentucky goblin. Go ahead. Sorry, I was just gonna say like there's all sorts of weird crypted things that people see. And I've interviewed people with some different They've seen, small humanoids they've seen. That's why I said, once you start going down the rabbit holes, what are these people actually seeing? Because I believe. I'm not gonna say I believe everything that someone tells me, but I believe they believe what they're telling me. If that makes sense, sure where they saw something, Yeah, they saw something. I'm not saying it's one hundred percent what they're saying, because hell, I don't even one hundred percent believe what I saw because it made sense. But yeah, I believe that they're being honest and telling me they what they saw. I don't know if that's exactly what they saw, but I believe that they're being honest about it. Yeah, and I've heard sucking. I think it was an old timer around my area, and I forget what setting it was. I think it just might have been randomly talking. And they said that people way back because you know, kind of this whole area from here in North Carolina, Virginia, all over this area, there's a lot of coal miners and they would claim to have seen what they call They were calling them black leprechauns, because I get a lot of a lot of them were like a Virish descents or Scottish descent and working in the coal mines. They'd be deep in the mountains and just see these little these little people covered in soot and cold, cold dust in the deep mines and just kind of popping out and being you know them just kind of tripping out like what is this? And then it runs off and they can't find it, you know, like different stuff like that. So I've always wondered with evolution and stuff like that, what if people offshoots of our ancient relatives. I guess off branch, they lived in caves, They're going to adapt differently than what we would have. Yeah, which side note, which made that movie The Descent very terrifying for just that. Yeah. I enjoyed that movie, the second one. I've watched it once. Yeah, yeah, totally. But the person was really good. Yeah. Yeah, Well, guys, I think we can wrap this up unless you got anything else you want to talk about. Oh, I'm good man. I think uh it was like to throw in bringing it back to Bigfoot and stuff because I'm in the area of where I had my sighting, and because I love the hike and I mushroom for it, I was in that area since I've been back, and uh, I don't, I don't. I don't put much faith in it. But I'm doing it just for you know, what they call shiggles of having a gifting spot out there where I put some obsidian rocks in this area, and I chose obsidian just because you know, if it's something out of place, you're gonna spot it right away. If it's in your yard or your house, you know what I mean, Like someone put a random chair in your house and you walk in, you're gonna be like, what is this. So I've tried that. One rock went missing. One is still there and I haven't been back to check it in quite a while, so I'll have to go do that soon. But over the summer I went kayaking there and I drugged the kayak about I don't know, probably a quarter mile or half mile on the trail back and in the summertime, when the water's high, the trail just stops and goes into water, which goes into the Duck River, which goes into a major lake area or major lake in my area, and I just wanted to explore, and so I just kind of popped the kayak in the water, and this is exactly the spot where I have the sighting when I was a kid, And it goes into a little creek and then it goes into the major rivers. So when it got into the river, I have a choice of going right, which I know goes to the lake, or going left, which goes upriver. And I just wanted to explore the area for my own self, just to see, if you know, how close houses are, accessibility, and to kind of further kind of get familiarized myself with the area of anything happenings or what happened when I was a kid, you know, seeing that. And as I'm kind of sitting there, I may be about I don't know, twenty twenty yards give or take, probably a little bit more around that area from the bank, and I'm making my decision, and right as I go to turn to go upriver, I hear this curerplunk like right beside my like right beside the kayak, and the only thing and it's weird as shit because I don't know where to put it again. But to me, I think something through a rock at me. It's the only thing I can figure out, is that something through a rock at me, because I was hearing fish jump, which make an entirely different sound. They kind of more make a slappy sound in the water, and turtles were kind of going in, but again they make a different sound. They hardly make any sound going into the water, and they were more like on logs and stuff like that, so none of that was around, and it was just that deep, you know, cerplunk, and it was like when I looked. When I looked, I just saw the ripple and splash of the of the water, which was maybe about a foot or so from my kayak. And yeah, I just don't know how to explain that. And let's seeing what else. Oh, in another area that's maybe a few miles from that, but in the same general kind of area, because that where that river runs into the lake, there's another side on there's another spot on the other side that my friend and I were doing some night hikes on and we heard some what we heard a wood knock one night and that was New Year's night we heard a wood knock and the second time was more about late fall, and she's not a believer or not a skeptic, but not a believer either, and doesn't know much about it. But we were walking and doing the night high. It gets dark and then we hear just straight up like a tree fall, like a tree break, and then it just crashing, no wind or anything, and so she kind of freaks out. It's like, uh, let's just go back now, and I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever. So we start going back and on the trail and we're walking. We come around the bend and we know this is kind of dark and it sounds like something or first, so as we turn around and coming back, we hear something get jump up and bound away and then stop. And she's like, oh my god, what was that? And then it starts snorting and I'm like, oh, that's definitely a deer. Male deer do that. We probably just walked up on it or it was kind of close, and you know, we scared it, and it was definitely a deer. It bounded, you could hear it bound. And then we go around the trail up a little further and it sounds like something just like stood up and started walking, and she again like jumps beside me and grabs a hold of me and it's like, what is that? And I say, oh, that's it. I was like, oh, that's a deer, because remember we just came across one around the around the corner there, like it's a deer again, and from her her own experience, she goes, no, that's on two feet and it sounds heavy, it sounds loud, and I was kind and then all of a sudden, I was like hmm. And so we're walking and when we stop, I just kind of like grab her and we just stop and it kind of takes a couple of steps and then it stops and as we start walking, it starts walking again. And didn't see anything, didn't see any eyes shine, but yeah, it was just something that happened in the nearby area too that was just kind of really odd that can't explain. And I put I give it. I make it valid because my friend experienced it and she's not really into the subject, and to have her reaction and to hear what she said was kind of important where I was like, Okay, wow, this isn't just kind of me and going, like I said earlier, not just hearing a random thing and thinking it's big foot that was her own words of like, no, that was something big. And she when we got to the car, she said that she thought it was like a homeless person or somebody just kind of hanging out in the woods waiting to like mug Us or rob us or something. You know, that was just her thoughts. She didn't know, but you know, just something really odd. Well, those are kind of my odd experiences that happened kind of fairly recently here. So basically, just weird shit happens out there. Man, when you're out in the woods. The words are a scary place sometimes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Okay. So so Brandon, your experience is what form your podcast, right, that's what you're saying. You had your your encounter with the what you think might be a dog man or something of the sort, and that's kind of what summit to your podcast. So and it kind of sounds like it keeps you deep, like diving deep into the subject matter at least listening to people's stories and talking to them because you've got a podcast. So it keeps me, uh, it keeps me involved. Like I said, I don't do the music stuff like I used to. That was always my hobbies and now I've just been doing the podcast, and I feel like if people enjoy what I'm doing, it might be therapeutic for them to listen. Even if they don't want to share. They can listen to other people's experiences and maybe feel like me like but they don't feel so crazy about it. So and if anyone wanted to share, they can always come on the show and share their experience with me. I mean, I don't judge. I'm not here to prove or disprove, so I'm just giving a platform for anyone. Do you have an email? How can people get a hold of you? There are two ways. They can go to tenfoiltales dot com and there's a contact section on there which basically sends it directly to my email, which the email is Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com. Either way, it's going to go to the email, so they could either just go to the website or go just email me directly. But there's also it's on social. I'm on Facebook and Instagram, so they can also message me on that way to as well. I'm perfect. That is my next question, And what are you on any specific platforms or all platforms? The podcast is available on all of the streaming platforms, so Apple, Spotify, whatever podcaster is out there, I'm pretty sure they're available on all that. And there's also a YouTube channel now. Currently the YouTube channel is just a static image with the audio. My hosting services uploads the video, so I don't really use the video like they just take the artwork from each episode they post it on there. They have the audio posts of like I don't do anything with the videos. My posting service makes it so makes my life a little bit easier. But no, so anywhere where you can listen to podcasts, Tenfoiltel should be on there. The only other thing is to make sure it's the correct tenfoil Tels. That was the other thing that kind of sucked. I started about when I actually published the first episode. It was three months after some and else it came out with ten foil Tails. But they're from Australia, and there's is more about the Australian government and the cookers and stuff they got, like basically consider that their version of meth heads or something out in the Australian outback. So there's some weird movement going on out there, and their ten Foil Tels. The artwork is literally ten foil tails and a blood drippy logo with a tenfoil hat on top of it. Like you look for my podcast, you're going to see like an alien with some bigfoot things in a war wolf from some other things in the background. Like mine's definitely different than their, so right, And I was going to ask, I was going to ask one last question or a two parter was seen. Was that dog man experience your initial kind of exposure and going into the paranormal encryptis stuff where that kind of kicked it off? Or were you kind of just heard stuff and iffy on it to start with? And have you gone back to that area and gone back to that road to kind of mess around and explore or see anything. The road's only a few miles away, so I actually drive down that road quite a bit. Oh it's yeah, I still live like a few miles from it. Oh okay, So, like I said, I've never seen anything strange. Again, they ended up putting an outpack of farm just to the on the same I ran in the same area and now there's an outpack of farm. I was like, I wonder if it was just an outpacket I'd seen. That doesn't make any sense because probably wasn't an outpacket either, But uh no, apparently, and I didn't know this until I started doing the podcast, But I had some experiences prior that could be considered paranormal, but I can't say one way or the other if they were or not. And I was always a fan of the X Files why I got my little I want to Believe in the background, and so I was always fascinated by stuff like that, but I never took it seriously. But what happened definitely changed my perspective on what I thought I knew. So like that, since I've done this podcast and I've become a lot more open minded. I guess I'm not going to say that I believe everything, but I'm not going to write everything off either. Sure. Cool, but Bernie one on my podcast listening, you guys want to let the audience know where they can find you guys at Yeah, Well, you can find Bigfoot in the Citizen Scientists podcast on Spotify or any of your pod podcatchers. Any streaming service is available, the squatch Ologist podcast, Oh I'm sorry, and big with the Citizen Scientists podcast. We also have a you Tube channel and the Squatch Ologists podcast is mainly YouTube for all our video stuff, but we do post up updates and whennot on our podcast, the squatch Ologists podcast and audio form only on the same streaming platforms that you can find a big Foot and the Sentence and Scientists podcast nice, So pretty much wherever you find ten Foiltels, you can find your show too. Yep, exactly. Yeah, well guys, did you yeah? Perfect, Did you have any finals, like anything last you wanted to say for for this our section? No, that's uh, that's that's about good on my end again. Cool. I don't really have a whole lot to say that I haven't already said on some other things, and I don't like I don't enjoy talking about myself too much, So like I'll if someone asked me about what happened, I'll talk about it or whatever. But for like my show or whatever, I just want to make sure it's dedicated to the experiences out there, not me toot my own horns. So but no, for your show, if anyone wants to check it out, they can just find it on whatever streaming platform. If they have a story they'd like to share, and experience can't call them stories because that defends people. Sounds like you're just crediting them. So I've been trying to say, experience is more so. Anyone that has an experience they want to share, they can just reach out to me and we'll get some schedule. Cool. But I appreciate you guys coming on here and talking with me tonight. It's been my pleasure. Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, we appreciate it. It, we appreciate it a whole bunch. Brandon, You're awesome man. Thank you. We're going to wrap this one up, so hope you guys enjoyed it, and thanks for listening. Remember the truth lies and the stories we share that can actions we make. Stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote. All night everyone,