Ep. 79: Thunderbird from the Hockomock Swamp

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon. Right tonight's episode, We're going to be joined by my guest Harry. Harry had an experience back in nineteen ninety six with what he believes to be a thunderbird, and we dabble into other topics, including the whole Bridgewater Triangle in the huck A Buck Swamp area before we bring Harry on, though you've ever had an experience. You'd like to be on an episode of ten Foil Tells. You can send an email Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com, or you can go to the website tenfoiltales dot com and send a message there. Just go to the contact section. Both ways, we'll get your message to me, so make sure to reach out. We get something schedule for a future episode. You want to help the podcast out, please continue to share it around the word of mouth is the best way to help get exposure to the podcast. You can leave a five star review wherever you listen to podcasts at That helps with the ringings. If you write a review, make sure to read them on an upcoming episode. Be sure to follow us around on all the social medias. You can also join the Patreon if that's something you're interested in. You get access to ad free content and early access to all of the episodes. Right after I get done editing an episode, it'll be posted up on the Patreon weeks before it has ever released to the public. I think now we're gonna go ahead and bring Harry on. I've been looking forward to talking with him. That thunderbird is definitely a topic that I've wanted to tackle for a long time, so I'm pretty excited to hear what happened. Hope you guys enjoyed the episode, so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time welcome my guest tonight, Harry. Thanks come on here and talking with me. Hello, how you doing good? Good? Thank you, Thank you for having me on. Yep, not a problem. So you're from the Massachusetts area, Yes, southeastern Massachusetts area, the Bridgeway to Triangle area. Nice. I've recently had someone else on here that talked about the area, and then I have an episode that's coming out tomorrow that's about the Puck Wedgies from the huckle Buck Swamp. It's definitely a topic that I've been looking into and trying to get more information on. It. Just seems like there's a lot of activity going on out that way. When I'd reached out looking for guests or whatever for that area, you'd mentioned something about having some experiences or whatever. So you want to dive into them, you can, sure. Absolutely. My sighting happened in nineteen ninety six. I was fourteen years old, and over the years in the Bridgeway Triangle there's been thunderbird sidings. I know in the late eighties two young boys ventured for the Hackamock and they spotted a birdman type creature. And I actually know someone who used to live in the city of Brockton where I live, who's actually seen one in the late eighties. So that's two reports. But the thunderbird sidings are very common. Like I said, in nineteen ninety six, in Brockton, Massachusetts, me and a childhood friend of mine, Troy, we used to ride our bikes, you know, on the west western side of Brockton. One of the particular areas that we love to venture down was behind Brockton High School. There used to be quad trails over there. They're all filled in now. However, one day we were riding our bikes for the quad trails, and for some reason we got off our bikes. I forget why, and we were talking and my friend looks up in the sky and I could see in his face he sees something. He looks I could see the fear in his face, and he runs off and hides into the tall grass, and I'm thinking, what is he seeing? And as I turned around, the tall grass was blowing like crazy all the branches were blowing like crazy, and you could hear the sounds of what sounds like a cop driving on all four flat tires. So when I completely turned around, about free stories up in the sky, heading from the Belmont Street area towards me, was this huge, humongous bird and each wingspan was probably the size of an old nineteen seventy eight Lincoln town car. And I'm looking at this bird and I'm thinking, oh my god, he's heading towards me. I hope he doesn't think I'm a warm and scooped me up on his way. But he was flying towards me, and I can remember his face resembled an eagle. The texture of this bird was brown, but it was like one out suede. And for some reason, this creature looked old like he had like patches of brown texture on him. You could actually see cobwebs in his lower torso of like some debris twigs. I'm caught in the cob web. So you know that he was crashing for the trees, and he flew by me, heading south towards the Hawkinwalk Swamp. Now this was when I was fourteen years old. I never even heard of the hawk and rock Swamp or the Bridgewater Triangle, but he flew over me and my friend came out of hiding and he's like, Harry, did you see the size of that bird? And I'm looking at it. I'm like, yeah, that bird was huge. But you know, I was trying to be the brave one, and I was just you know, shrugging off my shoulders, saying, yeah, I knew we were in any danger. When I went home, I remember telling my mother the story, and naturally she thought, because I was a young boy, that any big bird would look you know, humongous to me. So I kind of, you know, just passed it off. Over the years, I forgot about it. And I know, a couple of years later, and probably around two thousand and seven, me and a couple of buddies of mine, we were just you know, ghost hunting. We were curious. We were at the old Tubergulosis hospital in Hanson, and that's when I actually encountered my very first apparition. I see a white, translucent figure floating towards the entrance. So naturally, I was telling my other friend about this. Her name was Porsche, and she was telling me, well, Harry, that's because you live in the Bridgewater Triangle. And I'm saying to her, wait, what is the Bridgewater Triangle? And she's looking at me and she goes, Harry, you lived out here for how long? You never heard of the Bridgewater Triangle? And I said no. And she was saying, well, you know there's been reports of bigfoots, aliens. And I'm thinking to myself, oh, okay, sure, and she said no, Harry, believe it or not, people have seen thunderbirds. As soon as she said that, I turned to her and I'm like, wait a minute, what did you just say thunderbirds? I think I've seen one when I was younger, and she told me a lot of people have. So ever since then, I went home and I started a research in the Bridgewater Triangle. I had like an interest in this region after that, after basically my experience with this cryptid. He said it was the Lincoln. I'm thinking each car had to have been about twelve to fifteen feet, so you think about almost twenty five or thirty foot wingspan. Yes, each wing. That's a massive bird, he fly, yes, yes, And you know a lot of other people reported seeing a smaller type of bird, which could overlap maybe with turkey vultures, because turkey vultures are very similar. But it seems that no one really had the experience that I had with this bird was as big as the one I've seen. Yeah, I've heard various reports on sizes of these things. I know out west they're claimed. I think the Native Americans out there, the old report from them. I thought they made them sound that they were just about twenty five feet too. I could be completely wrong, but I said, I know, depending on where you're at and when it was or wherever. The story is just varied. And we mentioned a little bit ago before we started recording. Back when I was younger, i'd heard about the one over in Illinois, and that's always peaked my interest because it supposedly picked up this kid. I think it was like seven or eight years old maybe, yep. Well, I figured that would be about a fifty pound kid, roughly fifty sixty pounds maybe, And that's a pretty big bird if it could pick a kid up and carry him off. So I don't know, with modern birds and everything, I don't know what their capacity is like. If you see an eagle today, I don't know if they could pick up a small child. I assume it probably could try, but right I don't know what it could possibly be. And I know back during the ice Age they had those large eagle like but I don't know what they were. I've always wondered if maybe some of those survived and that's what people are seeing and think their thunderbirds, and that's where the thunderbird legends came from, as these whatever those birds were from the ice Age. Yeah, if you google like the condor from the movie King Kong, the old the original one, it actually resembled that bird, oh, the giant condor. Yes, yeah, I don't know. It's been a while since i've watched it. I don't know a whole lot about predatory birds or birds of prey or anything else. I know. Where I live now, we have an actual mating eagles nest just a couple of miles from here. They've been there for the last three and a half years, and I'm aware of so it's kind of cool that we see eagles every once in a while. I've seen it out in the backyard looking at my chickens not too long ago. I was like, well, hopefully it doesn't swoop in and take one of them. But no, I thought that was kind of cool. You don't really see too many bald eagles anymore. But now in our area they've at least they released breeding populations of them. I think they released like ten pair like fifteen years ago or something, and apparently they one of them was nested in my area. Right. And as far as like the whole thunderbird thing goes, it's always been a I've always thought it seemed plausible, just because I know there were big birds at one point, so who's to say that there wasn't some remnants on the left. Yeah, well, the thunderbird actually dates all the way back to you, I think Native American folklore, and based on the area where I was at. It was just on the outskirts of the Hackamock Swamp. Now, the term Hackemack meant place with spirits dwell. It was actually a native burial ground. But they say because of the war, the King Phillips War between the Pilgrims and the wamp and Oag tribe, they say that all that negative energy might have opened up a vortex releasing all these anomalies. I'm trying to look right now about this bird. I should have done my research. I can't find it. I know, I've seen photos before of like this big eagle like bird from the Ice Age, and I forget what it's called. But to me, that just makes sense of if it was something like that, obviously the Native Americans would have been here, so they would have seen it, so their stories would have been passed down. Because I'm not a scientist or whatever, but I think the Ice Age supposedly was about ten thousand years ago, so I could see it being plausible that they still pass down the stories and there's still some remnants of them flying around. Yep. Yeah. The sightings, though right now they're not really common anymore. I think the last sightning was probably a few years after mine in the late nineties. But it's like, you know, any cryptid creature in the bridge want to try and go, you know, don't really hear of these reports anymore, which is weird because I feel like it's become more popular lately. I've had discussions with other guests that like, it's not as taboo as it used to be. Right back in the nineties, we didn't we just had We're at like the dawn of the Internet, but you didn't have like social media and the groups and everything else. So you didn't have the easy access to hearing people's experiences. You didn't have these shows like mine, you didn't have whatever you had, like a TV show here or there. But I think now with technology and the Internet and everything else that's out there, it's made it a lot easier people share their experiences, so it's not as taboo, yes exactly, but no. I have notice though, a lot of people though, are building now in the Hackamock Swamp. There's a lot of homes being built, and I think a lot of that happy energy is kind of sandwiching over the negative energy, and that's why this war text isn't releasing these anomalies anymore. I mean, it's just a fairy. Does sound like it's plausible though, because I've never been out there, so I don't know the exact size of it, but from what I've heard, the huck Amucks pretty large, isn't it. Yeah, it's like nineteen thousand acres. Yeah. I think a swamp, like I don't know if we really have any through swamps here in Indiana, but I think a swamp I'm always thinking of like Florida everglade stuff like that. But up there, it's not that type of a swamp. It's more like mucky, yes, wooded area. Now, I I've heard reports of like sasquatch up in there. I've heard obviously the puck wedgie things and some other stuff. But is there anything else that you've ever encountered While you've been outed in there? Going through the hock A Mock, a couple of times you would hear fans, sounds of native drums beating, and a lot of other people reported that as well. In the hawk A Mock, actually right in the middle there's a place called Lake Nip and Nicket, which is known to the residents as Lake Nip. Now, the thing about Lake Nip is the water is only three feet deep, but so many people have drowned in the water. Some of them were excellent swimmers. They've gone into the lake and went missing for some reason. No one really knows why. But out on the islands people have seen sasquatch creatures. When we were venturing through that part of the hawk Mock, and actually I have a video on this, we smelled like this, like weird musky smell. It wasn't skunk, but it kind of resembled that that scent, and we couldn't figure out why. And I have one of these EMF meters, and the temperature was drastically decreasing in that area. When we walked away, the temperature on the meter would go back up. When we walked back towards that area, it would go back down, and I couldn't figure out why until I went back and reviewed the footage. And in the trees, it appears that there's like a bluish face that kind of resembled the wisdom of Oz and you can see it on the on the camera and it kind of evaporated into this bluish miss type of lightning, which was actually very freaky. When I went back and reviewed this footage, I do have a fairy on who it might be. It might be the spirit of Hoba Mack, who was the chief of death and disease, and actually the wampin dogs feared this chief back then, so it's very possible it could have been him watching over the swamp. There's all sorts of tribes that were up in that area, but what was the main one? Okay, where the ones that the whole puckudgy legend started with yes in Freetown State Forest. Even though there's never been any sightings in the forest that I The only sighting was by Bill Russo and that happened in nineteen eighty nine in the town of Rainham. There's never been anyone else reported. Actually I've ever witnessing anything not in the forest. No, Okay, yeah, I've know a lot of people online and like I said, I my interview and stuff like, people are interacting with these things, but I don't know if they've actually ever seen them, just because I've heard people seeing little humanoid things m h. And it makes me wonder like what they could possibly be. Are they a spirit? Are they a fay person? Are they like a Because there's little people stories all over the world, not just obviously up in the Bridgewater, like we have some here in my area too, like down about fifty to your son, Miles, there's a state park and there's been stories of little people in there. I've heard too, But kind of makes me want to go to there and look for him, just to see if I encounter anything, which I feel like when you actually go out and looking for this stuff, no one really ends up finding it, or you think you find something because you want to find something, so kind of dampers the whole thing. You already had expectation of looking for something. But well, the Puckwadgies they're also known as skin walkers, or they could actually be the devil's imps, because there was a legend about a guy that practiced witchcraft and he had Satanic imps running his mill. I don't know how much of that focal or is true, but the thing about the Pockwadgies is that they used to be friends with the wamp and ogs. However, they were known as klutz They got in the way, so the womping ogs kind of out casted them, and it made these puckwodgies very angry. So that's when they started to be known as tricksters. They would, you know, make you think that they're helping you, when in fact they're leading you into a trap. And it was said that this is a part of Native American folklore. It was said that the wompinogs were actually terrified of these creatures. So they went to the creator god who was a giant and his name was Maushop, and they asked, Mashop, can you help us can you deal with these puckwodgy creatures that you created? And it was said that Mashop would actually pick up these puck wodgies and shake them until they lose consciousness, and he would toss them all around New England. Now, the one version of the story states that the puck Wodgies came back strong and shot down Mashop with their poisonous spears. The other version states that Mashop actually defeated the puckwadgi and then went off somewhere to die by being, you know, because he was wounded in battle. Whatever the case may be. Though, it's interesting that mass Shop disappeared from Native American folklore right after, regardless of what ending you might believe. Mm hmm. Yeah. There's all sorts of different things, and like what comes the folklore and the stories and everything else. I think it kind of gets hard to track down exactly what happened, Like Native American stories even throughout here, Like there's all sorts of different tales of something. They call them different things, but clearly they're seeing something because how did all these stories get passed down and like they've spread across the country. You know what I mean, like there's stories of little people here, there's stories out there, even like with sasquatch hairy man, like throughout the whole world, there's stories of these things. So it's like why were we all just like why were the native people just making up stories? And it spread across the whole world back when there was no way of communicating. They had to have been seen something. But that's just my own thought process on and I'm not really one hundred percent sure anything. I'm just like I said, I'm just a guy with a microphone. I don't know anything. But have you ever had any like your own personal paranormal encounter stuff out there? I'm not in the Freetown like I said, just in the hawk a mock and at the old Tuberculosis Hospital. When I seen that apparition, it was like in a white, translucent like type of mist and it was like, you know, in the shape of a person. It was floating towards the main entrance. So that was my very first time I've actually ever seen, you know, and something ghostly. So that in the thunderbird encounters what inspired me to get out there and you know, put the boots to the ground, start investigating How often do you go out and investigate usually about twice a month. Do you go out by yourself for redia to have a group with you, or how do you do We usually go sometimes the four of us, the three of us, sometimes the two of us. Any of the people you've been out with ever had any of their own experiences why they've been out there. One of the guys that investigates with me was with me at the time at the tuberculosis hospitals. That kind of sparked his interest as well. One of the older guys had his personal experience when he was a kid. He's witnessed a childlike apparition who told him that he was going to drop the chandelier on his abusive father. And believe it or not, he said the chandelier the next day did fall and almost hit his father. The tyme in of that's nice little coincidence, which I'm not one for coincidences. So yeah, But there's a lot of a lot of stories I've heard so far that come out of there, and it's always, like I said earlier, it really piques my interest to know what's going on. I'd love to be able to look out there sometime and just soak it in, right. Well, I know of the the Bigfoot. Back in the seventies, everyone was seeing a sasquatch creature and they were chasing what they thought was a bear, but they said, you know, strictly impossible for bears to be out in Massachusetts, so everyone kind of passed it off as a sasquatch. But now there actually were four bears in Massachusetts, and they're actually saying that maybe these sasquatch creatures were bears standing on its, you know, high legs. I think the confusion with bears and sasquatch and and I'm not if you're familiar with like the dog Menencryptid or whatever, but a lot of people always want to say that people are mistaking bears, and I can see that to an extent, right, But I don't think every single one is a mistaken bear, just because I don't know of any black bear that can stand up to be almost ten feet tall. Now, maybe a big grizzly bear or brown bear whatever they're called, a fully grown male might be able to reach that hype, but still you can people know that what a bear is. And that's why I've always come back to like you can tell the difference between a bear or something that looks like a primate or a humannoid face like and even the way they claim this thing runs on two feet or whatever, like bears don't run like that. Yeah, yeah, I don't think a bear can run on two legs. I think they can walk goofily, but it doesn't mean they can take off sprinting. Yeah. Like I said, they thought they were chasing a bear until one of the I think it was Westbridgewater a police officer reported that the back of his cruiser was actually lifted up by some kind of hairy type like creature. Yeah, that's the I've recently talked to someone. And it's notorious when it comes to cryptids that you always see blurry photos. Yep. And I'm really I'm a skeptic at heart. I try to believe. I want to believe, and I've seen things that make me believe to an extent. But when people present evidence and all I see is blobs and like really pixelated images like oh there's a face in there, I'm like, is that par or right? That's where I struggle with And I don't want to sound like an ass to guest or anyone wants to present evidence, but it's like for me, it's hard to distinguish what I'm looking at. If it's all blurry, I can't I can't say if it's a animal or if it's just a tree. You know. Stuff like that kind of makes me skeptic now because back then, like in the eighties and the nineties, grown up, you would hear people's you know, ghost stories that they swear that they've you know, seen a ghost. And now that social media is popular, you know, camera phones are popular, it seems that nowadays everyone's taking you know, snapshots of what they think is a ghost. And when you look at the picture, it's, like you said, it's like pixels in the background that look like a face. So it makes you wonder what did really people see back then? Was it really a ghost or was it you know, their imagination or like you said, parizolia. Yeah, and before we had technology the way we do, people didn't get great a footage. But like I know, far as like Sasquatch. The best piece of footage that's ever been out there is the one from the nineteen sixties, the Patterson Gimblin thing, And that's been ridiculed for years. But yeah, I've still have to ever seen anyone that actually reproduce it to where it looks same, even with modern technology. Yeah, I know, someone come out and claimed that they made the suit, but they never presented the suit, and at the suit they did present it looked like whatever was on that video. So I don't That's the that's always been my I don't know, Like, I want to believe there's a something, but I'm also skeptical that there could be something, just because I find it hard to believe there's a big animal like that wandered around and no one knows about it, right, But at the same time, it's like maybe they do know about it, they just don't want to talk about it. Yeah. Well, that's the thing with the paranormal there's always what ifs. Really, I mean, like what I was explaining about the face that I saw, I mean, what if it was swamp gas in the shape of a face, A big coincidence? You know, there's always what ifs mm hmm. What do you think me mentioned swamp gas? It's that's always the joke about the UFOs anymore, because a swamp gas was cause and reflections for people seeing things out in spaceless like. Yeah, but now I think a lot of paranormal instances and like cryptid sightings and everything. Not to discredit anyone, but I think a lot of them could be rolled off as something else. Right, But there's always that inkling of like you said, what if, what if it's right for every one hundred sightings, what if one or two of them were legitimate? Right? Exactly? So that's why I said, I try and remain skeptical, but I would like to keep an open mind about it, just because I've seen weird things that I can't explain to anyone, And if someone told me what I saw, I think they're probably crazy. But who am I to judge other people from seeing things? Like you said, you've seen a bird that's almost like thirty foot wingspans on it. Well, most people would think that's not true, couldn't be possible. A bird that big couldn't fly, But who the hell are we to know one way or the other? Right, And you know it could have been maybe some just raal species, who knows, you might not have been anything encrypted, But you know, I like, I'm keeping an open minding to it, So I don't know. I think the condors are the large birds still alive. I forget how favorite wingspans are. I think they're up to twelve feet if I remember correctly. But even then, like that's still nowhere near as big as what you'd saw, right, And I remember that the tosso that it was huge. Did it have talents like claws? Did you see anything like that? Ah, not that I can remember. I wasn't really you know, looking at it in great details. But like I said, the face kind of resembled an eagle, so it had more of that uh heard speak. Yeah, yeah, So definitely had like the bird of prey type predator beak to itself. And I know that after it flew by, it left like like fur like all over the ground. And you know, I wish I could go back in time now and you know, try to collect some of this as evidence. But I didn't think of it then like feathery stuff. It wasn't like feathers, but it was like tiny, little like fur. Hm. I'm wondering how fur would have been less of some like pieces of animals or something that it had on it almost like I don't know the name of it. It's found in like dried up grass. It looks like a corn dog, you know how when you open it the fur comes out. Yeah, kind of like that, almost like the cattail looking things a you're talking about. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, that makes sense because swampy area and things, I mean you mentioned like corn dog. I was trying to think of what are those things called? Oh yeah, cat tails? Yeah, no, I that would make sense if it had it stuck in its feathers and it's pot just because I was flying through the swamp, is going to pick up debris and everything. Like you said, it had cobwebs and other things on it too. Obviously it is flying through the swampy area, so it's going to hit through there, especially if it's that big. Right, No, I don't know it's something that big would be able to eat to keep it sustained though, right, because it didn't be it would have to eat like a huge amount of food, you would think, I said. That's always been something I've been interested in, is the whole thunderbird thing. It's been one of my main interests when it comes to cryptids. So definitely glad I finally got to talk with someone that saw one because like you said before, it's not very common to hear about it. Well, they just say these cryptives come from vortexas like portals. I know that for my own research I might be able to know where it came from based on the direction it was flying towards this what's called Stonehill College out on Belmont Street, and that's all the unseated Wampanogg territory, you know, this native caves back there, and it was fine, like I said, going south towards the Hockmock, probably towards the Lake Nip area. So to me, maybe it was going from vortex to vortex. Yeah. Now, the vortex thing that seems to be a very popular thing I've discovered here since I started doing with podcasts like Portals and vortexas and interdimensional This is all stuff that gets thrown around lately when it comes to cryptids, especially like Bigfoot and things like that. They think they're like interdimensional beans. Now, back in the nineties they were just a flesh and blood ape. Now we leaned towards the loose side of it, I guess, and a lot of people want to explain off the cryptids as being something from a different dimension, which I've leaned that way myself in the sense of paranormal as like, obviously, if there's something paranormal going on, what if they're not spirits in the sense of what we think is a spirit, but what if they're an energy from a higher dimension that we can't see that bleeds into our world every once in a while, And you know what, that's that's an excellent fairy that could be it. I do know that whenever there's like a cryptid siding within the bridge by a triangle, it seems that just before that there was like a UFO siding. Now, for many years they said that these you know UFOs, these you know beings were from another planet. However, now it's said that what if they're us from the future, which would mean that these UFOs would actually be you know, time vessels, time machines. What if they're able to produce a wormhole pocket in certain key areas of the Earth for a time travel and some of these pockets now are left lingering behind, which is now releasing all these you know anomalies from you know there into dimensional plane. Yeah, that's a good theory too, because whenever there is UFO reports, people have claimed that they've shifted through time. I know the very first UFO report that was documented in the United States, there was three men on a boat heading up the Chiles River and they seen a light darting back and forth in the sky in Boston, and right after that they claimed that they found themselves one mile upstream, and they said that was, you know, nearly impossible. I do know that when there was a UFO sitting out here on Route twenty four that after somebody was driving and they claimed that they found themselves four and a half miles up the road in Bridgewater from Westbridgewater within seconds. The UFO thing anymore is very I'm trying to think, like I know you they call them UAPs now. But even with the UFO sidings throughout the countries and everything, obviously people are seeing something. I've seen some weird shit in the last couple of months here in my own backyard, really, and I think it's basically there's more and more of it. And I don't know if it's us as in like humans or what it could be. But the time travel thing, I've often wondered if what we are seeing and experience would be us coming back, But then it kind of opens up a Pandora's box. I feel like, when you got the whole we come back in time, what are we coming back in time for? And you open up the whole Grandfather paradox, which is a whole nother conspiracy in my own, but like, maybe that would explain the whole Mandela effect thing. Why people are remembering things that aren't happening. What if they came back in time, We didn't change anything that we're aware of, but maybe they stepped on a bug and that bug went somewhere a bit someone they were allergic to, and it killed that person, and like it just it spirals from there. Right. It's a weird butterfly effect. But it's something that I've kind of tossed out there as like, because there's certain things with Mandela effect that I have one hundred percent remember and that's apparently not true. Yeah. That always messes with and I was like, I know one hundred percent fact that that this is how it was, and now they're claiming it's not like there's something screwy going on. Oh yeah, I've had my personal mandelar effects before too. Yeah, but no, that the UFO phenomena, I feel like they are very big hot spots for UFOs, and they do some want go in line with where a lot of people witness Bigfoot and other hotspots for paranormal activities. So again, is this of vortex? Is this some sort of energy fields that we don't necessarily know about, But they're using those as ways to get in and out of here, or they're here harvesting that energy, or they just attracted to that energy. I don't know right right, but it's definitely a lot to think about when you start looking into things as again, that whole area you have obviously your puck wedgies you had, you saw all its thunderbirds, You've had a lot of paranormal experiences out there people have, and then the UFOs and the cryptid sightings, like the Bridgewater Triangle is like a hot bed for a lot of strange activity, right. I've heard people talk about other spots here in America. I think Sedona, Arizona is like a spot spot too. They or texted out there for seeing UFOs and other things. Makes me wonder where else if someone's ever documented, like mapped out like the hotspots for things and try and triangulate these areas. See where the most activity comes from. I have mapped out the areas and the Bridgewater Triangle, all the paranormal hotspots, even the ones that you don't really hear about, and I have noticed that each of these hot spots they have these lay lines. Every famous stone within the Bridgewater Triangle lines up in a perfect lay line, but all throughout the hawk a mock. We have the High Te's as well, which produces an electromagnetic fields which they say ghosts, entities, apparitions channel off of. Also in southeast Massachusetts you have quits crystals found in a lot of stones, which are perfect conductive for anything paranormal. These things combined, I think, is what's you know triggering all this. Yeah, I've talked with people before that think that courts are very much into like a conduit, almost like a water source too. Like the energies or paranormal like spirits or whatever. They use the quartz crystal as ways to manifest themselves. They're attracted to that quartz. Yeah, And when talking I talked it over with Ronnie L. Blaine, and actually he seemed to know that he realized that out in Weston, Massachusetts, there's been a lot of like hot spots with his high te's as well. Mm hmm. Now I don't know of any. I think if there's any hot spots in my area that I'm aware, I don't have to like do some researching, and it makes it's hard for me to get out in the field and do things. I've married and got four kids and full time job and do this podcasting thing is my hobby now at night time. But I've always wanted to go out and do things. But I've also been somewhat reluctant to just because when it comes to paranormal stuff, I'm afraid to go looking for something because I don't know what I want to bring back with me, If that makes any sense. Yeah, I don't know if I'm want to find anything, but it doesn't mean something's not going to find me. And then when I started doing this podcast, someone cryptically warned me from a random post I had that when I start looking into stuff like this, I need to be leary of what starts. Looking back. I was like, well, that's not a kind of I don't know what the proper term, not vague, but like disheartening, I guess, because you're almost like warning me not to do something because you're afraid I'm gonna start making too many things come after me. Yeah, so far, so good. I don't think I've had anything personally come after me, but who knows. But yeah, Well, is there anything else you'd like to talk about? If not, we can probably wrap this one up. Yeah, that's all I can think of right now at the top of my head. Well, Harry, I appreciate you coming here and talk with me. It's been a pleasure. And again, if you find anything interesting or anything ever happens, make sure to reach out to me and get something to that we can talk about it. All right, I definitely will. Well, Harry, has been a pleasure, nice talking with you. Thanks talking to have a good night you too. Remember the truth, lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. 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