Ep. 80: Understanding Dogman Behavior: Aggression, Communication, and Habitat

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tels. I'm your host Brandon. Right fine's episode, we're going to be joined by my guest, Ricky. Ricky spent the last few years researching into dog men and learning their behavioral patterns. He's come up with some pretty interesting information regarding that before we bring him on. 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It's only one dollar and ninety nine cents a month, so if that's something you'd be interested in, make sure to check out the patreon. Be sure to follow us on all the social medias. I pretty much have an account now on almost every social media out there. I don't use them that often, but it is there. But I think now we're going to go ahead and bring Ricky on. Been looking forward to talking with him. Hope you guys enjoyed the conversation, so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I'd like to take the time and welcome my guest today, Ricky. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Welcome. A little bit about yourself. So, uh, when when the whole dog man thing started out? Was a professional officer in the state of Wisconsin, several years maximum prison. I also deal with, you know, dog training with all aspects of it, from police work, apprehension, pets, so and love to hike, love the outdoors. But right now I own ten point sixteen acres in Tennessee, which is out in road of nowhere. The closest town I think it's thirty nine minutes away at least the town that they can go and buy stuff. Just the other little town have nothing in it pretty much. So you know, I like life itself. You know, I was a pet transporter after I left corrections spend more time with my family, so I grow up business of transporting animals throughout the state, which also helped me out and in research obviously, because the more you get to know behaviors, the more you'll understand or what to look for. So every time I had an opportunity on my trips throughout the country, I was able to stop at certain places, research here, research there, talking to the researchers. And that's pretty much my life right now. What got you into the whole dog man type thing, like the phenomena in Bulk Whether did you have like an experience or see something or how'd that happen? Yes, it was, it was. It all happened strangely, and I mean, and I'll explain that. One night, I my wife always bought these bottles from Walmart once you buy the forty packs whatever, and so the pack was in the back of my car and I went out, you know, to go get the pack and out in sort of the driveway. We had a long driveway was shaped kind of like an h So there was a neighbor next and then across from that driveway was another house was another neighbor. We were all like in a three to four acre plot, so all the land was kind of divided and stuff like that. But anyways, I went to go get to the packed water and I saw eye shine and these eye shines were coming towards me. So I find curious when first I thought it was a straight cat that was around. But the straight cat was really skittish, you know, so the idea of it coming to me all of a sudden left my mind, and I'm like, the cat would it comes to me? Because I knew here, and you know, it's it's just a skittish cat, so I pay attention. I had a head lamp on me. There wasn't a very you know, strong hand lamp, so it was I could only see a certain point. So all I thought was the eye shine, and that was pretty much it. But this thing xpt like coming towards me, which again sparked my curiosity. So at one point I put the pack the water down and I walked slightly towards it. And when I walked towards it, it walked backwards. So that sparked even more infect curiosity because it wasn't like turning to run away. It was just screwed backwards, and and that, like I said, it sparked the curiosity. So I kind of moved forward a little bit and it moved backwards, and I went back to the to the water pack, and it moved forward again, so I went back towards it. At one point I just said you know, I got to find out what this thing is, and so I went forward towards it, and it script back completely back to the straight line, right back to there was a tree right next to the to the entrance of the driveway. And when it got to the tree, eye shine went from being a lover the ground to probably six feet up, looked at me and then just climbed the tree really fast, and I think, whatever it was at that moment in time, in my brain, I'm thinking this thing, man, No, I'm how to climb trees. They climb actually really fast, and you can hear some of the branches break off and fall off, and then it just pushed itself on top. But again, arm seeing is eye shine. It's dark, you know, and I just, you know, went grabbed my pack of water, brought it inside. I went back outside afterwards. But the eye shine will go longer. And that moment in time, I didn't think it was a dog, man, I you know, I don't know what it was. I did call because they had large eye shine, larger than my dogs at the time that my dogs were, you know, eighty pounds was the heaviest, and its eye shine was a lot larger than my dog's. But I left that that right. A couple of days later, I believe it. It was the weekend, Saturday, Sunday. We went to go pick up some stuff that you buy the marketplace on Facebook, and my neighbor had a pickup us. So we went to go get that and we started talking. We started talking. And the minute we started talking, you know, I was mentioning to him about and being heartactic to him, you know about you know, telling him about what I had seen the ice shine whatnot. And I was being funny with him because I didn't know what the ice shine was. So he begins to tell me a story from a few days prior of him and his wife had gone up. They were, you know, talking about something, and they went for a walk. Now I live close to the Horcon Marsh in Wisconsin, and where we lived, there's like half a mile down the road there's a trail that leads into the Horcon Marsh. So they had walked down, you know, the street, gone to the trail, took the trail a couple probably a mile down, and then turned around and walked back. And as they were walking back, he mentions that there was something paralleling him from the side from the there was a slight part woods on the side of the trail because everything else was cornfields, and you know, it was just following them. So they at nighttime. You know, there are city people living out in the country pretty much, so his wife guy kind of scared. Even at one point he tells me that they had prayed because she was really scared because this thing was just like really heavy and just following them right and they would move, it would move stuff like that. And so they got to the road and they're headed home and he begins to hear like clicks on the floor and he turns around. He doesn't see nothing, but he has a flashlight, so he flashes into the woods and then Mini flies into the woods. He tells me the DC's five sets of eyesh and one of the eye shines was red. The other ones were like an ambush type color looking at him. So obviously, when he tells me that, I had, the first question I asked him was, well, how how tall up were these eye shine And he goes, you know, he says, pop about six cent foot off the ground. So obviously, when you say, you know, six cent foot off the ground, they're not kyos, and even though we had reports of wolves on that area, you know, no one has really seen wolves, or at least I haven't seen wolves on them in that area. So again, they're not kyos, they're not dogs. So I'm thinking, okay, maybe you had bigfoots. And I began to bring audio from YouTube for him to listen to, and it was always no, no, no no. And he had mentioned that after they had they they were like making noises back and forth, and at one point they let out a strange like laughter type sound and then a howl type But I'm trying to figure out what, you know, what is he hearing? And so I had gotten into the North American document Project. You know, back then it had three vocals, and I believe it was the second one. I played it to him, and I guess that triggered a response because you can see his eyes just change and his you know, his he had goosebumps and his hat on his arms, and he was that's kind of it. What is that? And my brain went, you know, that's a dog man. But again I don't. I don't not that I didn't believe in dogment, but it wasn't something that I was into or really looked at much information on it. So, okay, cool, there's a documents. There's dog Man and apparently five of them. And you know, we went home. We didn't talk much about it, and on that day that was the end of it, you know. But I think that was that weekend we would have trash. I think it was Wednesday or a Thursday. So that day I wasn't working that day and I'm outside with the family, you know, with my wife doing some stuff. And it's about five o'clock at you know, in the evening, and he comes like running towards me. And I don't mean like a full sprint, but he, you know, he was. He was huffing at towards me, and I'm like, what the heck's wrong with you? You know, And so he he starts talking to me about something that happened to him at two o'clock in the morning, and I'm like, okay, what happened. So apparently he put his trash in his back of his pickup truck. He leaves early for work and says he had to take on the trash. He wakes up and does everything more earlier. So he puts his trash in the back of his pickup truck and goes towards the front of you know, the long driveway, and he back then we didn't have like bins or nothing. We had bins afterwards, but at that moment in time, we would just put a trash in the streets and the pickup truck would coming, you know, the fast truck would come in pick it up. So when he did that, he picks up his trash. He's going around the truck to put on the curve and his head lights were like going in and out, in and out, in and out. So in his mind there's something moving in front of the pickup truck. So he goes around the pickup truck to see what it was, and he was face to face with a dog man. He froze, he went, you know, he went slowly backwards. He got into his pickup truck and left. So at five o'clock when he got home, he's telling me what he had seen and he described it to the tea and because it was right in front of it was ready from his headlight headlights of his pickup trug. So then for me that was like, okay, confirmation we have dog man in the property. That led to probably a whole year of every weekend. And when I say weekend, I'm saying something. Sometimes it will start Thursday, sometimes it will start Friday, but you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you'd have some type of situation, commotion, visual audio on the property. And it was like it started off every weekend, then it went every other weekend, you know, until it's kind of tapered off. So we had a lot of experiences there from you know, one day we were out having a slight bonfire, but it was springtime and there was a lot of mosquitos because obviously you live next to the horcon marsh, so we decided to not be outside and we threw water on the fire pit and that obviously, you know how that pops up besides crackling and stuff, that sparked i'm gonna say, fear into the dog man, and it rose up from the cornfields. Apparently it was still watching us and the part of the back of the cornfields from the house. Obviously they're not tall and they're not even their stubbles because of the previous year and on and on that property. Some years they would not even cut them. They would just leave, you know, the stocks the way they were. For some apparent reason, they would cut one and not the other. But so at this point in time, they were all a little stubbles from the year prior, and because they hadn't plowed that field yet, so they they they it got up and all you know, because we had back to a point, we had the tall kinn'd of it was. I can't say it was grass because because it's just bushes and stuff, but so we we were able to see it, and they would go back down and up and look at us, and looked to the side, and looked down and look up and side to side, and all of a sudden, you know, it ran off. So me and him we went and we went on the road towards the trail because we we wanted to see what what in the world. So we went on the road on the trail, and we got to the trail. Obviously the bushes were a lot more greener and stuff. And I looked at him and say, listen, let's let's not even attempt to try to find this thing, because if it tries to jump us, we won't even know where it's coming from because you can't see to both sides. And so we just had to come back. And as we're walking back, he goes and says, you hear that, And I'm like, no, I don't hear nothing hear. I think it's behind us now. Coming back. On both sides of the road, there's two coverts, so I wasn't seeing anything, you know, and it's and he's hearing stuff and I'm like, I don't know what you're hearing. And we walked. We walked home. So as we were home and I'm putting up the holes and stuff like that, this thing ran from one side of the covert across the street into the property and stood right behind the tree looking at me. So I started screaming his name to come to the front, to come to the front, that it was there. And by the time I because he wasn't responding, so I kind of ran towards the back because he was outside. So I ran to the back, like get over here, he's right there, and sure enough, by the time I turned around and got back towards the front, it was gone. So that whole year, obviously we had we me and my wife had a child, and we had just moved there. So the idea of moving wasn't wasn't on the table, and we were having we weren't having bad experiences. We were just having presence of dog men and the property. Sometimes they would be around when would take out my dogs, and they were you know, circle around the cornfields. But for the most part, it wasn't nothing to be quote alarmed of. I think the only times is when I got more more cocky towards them. And when I say cocky, I mean more courageous in the sense of, Okay, you know, you guys been here long enough, you guys haven't done nothing. I did have an experience that brought, you know, a feeling of dread, but at the end of the day, nothing did happen, so that only brought more courage and dealing with them, I'm going to say. And when I say dealing with them, I'm not saying I was trying to be friends with them, but it was just, you know, when they were out, I wasn't like scared of being outside because in my mind, if if you guys were gonna do something, yess we're gonna do it a long time ago. But what that would led me to was to explore more. And I tried looking up in social media, you know, different Facebook groups and everything that I've encountered on social media was completely like left field or really incorrect, and I knew it was incorrect because of what I was experiencing. So, for instance, one of the first things that came to my attention and being the property, is that once the corn started getting you know, coming in, the top of the heads were being cut off, and the plant wasn't you know, the stock of the corn wasn't bent over. And I specially remember even to this day that during that year they were there, we had no rabbits, we had no deer, we had only birds that would come in early, and that was it during that whole year, you know. And at one point I even talked to my wife, the look, you notice you don't see rabbits anymore, or you know, you don't see nothing around, and you know, we all agreed that was strange. But obviously with them there, I'm assuming that all the animals decided to just take a hike. But anyways, the corn was being popped off basically, and so my my my theory, my thought back then at that moment was they're eating the corn, which kind of goes contradictory with that dogment are complete carnivores, And I'm like, wait, wait that so they eat corn? What other vegetation can they eat? So that led more more, more research, more ideas, and because I was in corrections, I kind of I kind of was able to read between the lines when it comes to people posting some things. So I would reach out to specific people, and sure enough, the people that I reached out to were actually landowners, homeowners that had dogmain on the property. And some of these people had you know, experiences with them for years, generations, And so I began to ask questions, and I began to ask questions from people in the East Coast, and I would ask the same questions to people in the West Coast, and I knew I was onto something because the reply was the same. And again, people that had had generational experiences with them on the property since there were kids or all their adult life or you know whatnot. And I would ask, like one of the questions that I would ask was, hey, you know, did your dog man life watermelons? For instance, I would ask that on somebody who lived in the south towards the east, and I would ask the same question towards an individual who lived up north towards the west, and the reply was always the same. Yes, one even would have to plant a slight different, you know, vegetable garden to the side because they would take from their own vegetable garden, so they would kind of have to do a slight different one to the side, and you know, they would take from that versus their own, which I found very interesting. So it just confirmed for me as I as I began to do these things and collect data, and they were not strictly carnivors, you know, they were more omni worse. Yes, probably more towards the meat side, but they searched out and looked for other forms of food. Then I began, like I said, I uh, because all I ever studied was behavior. Everything was strictly on behavior. Because I lived in a property, I wanted to know how to keep my family safe. I wanted to know how to keep myself safe. So that's so I began to to jot down when something was done, when something was not done, what happened after I did this, or what happened after they did this, and this other thing happened and stuff like that. And I remember back then I was new to the dog Man dog Man Encounters podcast, and I began to investigate research every podcast. I mean not you know, every episode not from that podcast, And what I mean by that is I wouldn't listen to it. I would literally break it down behavioral wise, and because of my years in training dogs and other animals and you know, in corrections, I literally broke down every episode in my head on paper, and by a certain number of episodes, you come to realize that the behaviors were the same, that this and this were the same, that the response to this was the same as the response to that. So I took that into the field and lo and behold able to duplicate a lot of responses, a lot of behaviors through that. And when I began to hear experiences from you know, one time eyewitness or an eyewitness that was having for the first time experiences, I wanted to work with certain of those individuals because in my mind, I had something in my mind, what amnut, you know, I'm duplicating this. I'm seeing these behaviors, you know, I don't think they're there for what they think they're there for, and stuff like that, and I wanted to work with, you know, a person that was having experiences. Years later after I started, there was a young man who had a podcast and he had an eyewitness from the UK who had been suffering with a dog man that had been broke their windows, tooken off some of the the part of the roof, throwing rocks at the house, acting what most people would call aggressive right for the whole year. So at that time I had been talking to another researcher over because they had better connection to some of these individuals, and so she was listening to me and at one point she mentioned to the podcast I don't think he's crazy. I think he's onto something. So the podcaster cooked us up on a three way call with this individual from the UK, and we began to talk and I began to ask questions just like I asked questions and an investigation right in the prison system. And it took me about probably a day, two days, and all of a sudden, she's talking. It hit me and you know, so she was she had mentioned something that wasn't part of the whole scenario, but that triggered another question in me. So she was having a medical issue and I asked her, well, when did this medical issue start before or after the dog man? And the person says slightly after, No before, so her medical issue started and slightly after the dog man showed up. So I asked other questions about her whole structure. The long story short, what was going on was that her medical conditions was causing hormonal changes, so her her female products were being put into a trash that was being left outside. And then the house had other plumbing issues, so when they would use the bathroom, it wouldn't flush properly, so the smell would stay in the pipes, and a lot of times a husband had to open up certain vows and flesh certain things out to have the you know, the pummy flushed. So having that knowledge, I told her it was a simple solution about fixing this and fixing that and make sure you throw you know, when you take your kids out to school, take all your all your sentsary, pasive whatever, and throld them out and a whole flush of whatever, you know, the pipes and what not to do and what to do, and so I I and we waited, and you know, one day I sent her a message on messenger. I think it was like a week after maybe one or two weeks after, and I asked her, Hey, how is everything going. Her response was great, nothing has happened, and until this day, nothing has happened. So then that responded to wait a minute, so you're telling me that my brain over here at my house, right? So her problem caused the dog man to respond why. So then that became a point of research. Why why would our why would our problems cause a dog man right to give attention towards our property? And that became the focus point and there was a lot of theories behind the why right? And one day I am, I am this is an Illinois I had picked up another co researcher teammate. We went to a park. Now a little story why I was at that park was because the week prior to that weekend that I picked them up, I had been pinpointing where certain sightings had been. So I was trying to track their movements on a specific area. So there had been in a certain encounters and certain situations and certain howls in a specific area. So I was trying to track, you know, their movement patterns, and so I didn't Once a weekend came, I picked up my teammate to go look at these places in these patterns. And when we got back to the original encounter, there was a He goes and says that a person who lives in that street there was across from the park there was a park slash boat docked and the park was like towards the left side of where the houses were at. But anyways, he says that he would smell foul smell like rotten meat or whatever, you know, across from his house, which was part of the park. So I stopped, I parked, we got out, I left every equipment that I had in my car. We just went out just to see to see if there was any tracks on the train that was there or whatnot. And this was in February, I remember was in February, but it had rained like two or three days prior, so I was expecting the floor to be slightly muddy, you know, or at least softer. So I wanted to see if there was any tracks there. And we did find a partial track of something possible unknown, And then I went into the the trail had a little bank. And then in the summertime that would have been marsh, right, you wouldn't been able to walk on it. That would have been soft, but due to his February and it had already gotten cold again, it was solid. So I started walking there and as I'm walking towards the river, I see a big black head and I had looked up saw it, and a minute it saw me, I saw it. It ducked. So as I'm looking towards that area, I'm yelling at my teammate behind me, look behind me, do you see something? I have one in front of me, Look behind me, And all of a sudden I hear from him, Yes, he's behind you, he's on that side, he's right there. So all I can say was to him was pay attention to him. Make sure he doesn't move towards me, because I have one in front of me. All of a sudden, these two things began, and these were both dog Man began to semi circle making popping sounds and different vocalizations in front of me from left to right and right to left. So my teammate goes and says, I think you better get out of there. So I started walking backwards as these things kept on, and you can hear the movement and you can hear them making these popping sounds and whatnot and move back. And now I'm getting close towards you know, the bank that leads up to the trail. I'm kind of, you know, mad at my teammate. Damn, I don't have my phone with me. I don't have nothing with me. This is this is stupid. They're right there, they're making these noises and I can't have nothing. So my phone would have been connected to bionic tooth and for the recording and stuff like that. So I looked at him as a wait a minute, So I grabbed the other phone that I had and and I went back and I started recording, and sure enough, and I can send you to an audio if you like. I recorded a huff from them, which in the audio you'll hear the hoffs and you'll hear my teammate goes there you go. And as soon as that happened, I stayed there for a couple of seconds more and I, you know, moved back, and we left. We got back. But this is and this is the very important part. When I'm there, I'm looking at a house. This is at one one in the afternoon, and I'm seeing houses across the street and I'm saying to myself, why why would I have houses in front to an elusive creature who's making all these types of noises and running back and forth right in front of the house. Basically because this is not a half a mile down the road. This is like, I can see the house right there. And I was like, this is and I'm telling my teammate why what this is? This is confusing? Why would an elusive creature, a cryptid, be making so much noise when there's a house right in front of them. Then my other side kicked in, you know what I know about nature, what I know about animals, or I know about dogs, I know about you know, just the basics. I looked at him and said, it's the only reason a wild animal, a wild a dog, a person would act stupid and quote unquote blow their cover is if they have young with them. And my teammate goes, well, that makes sense, but there's only the island there, and there has to be a den there and due to the fact that I'm walking towards that area is the only reason they would blow their cover. That was in my mind. So I began I went back home. I went back home, and I began to call. I began to message every witness that I knew, and sure enough, every eyewitness that I talked to saw or interacted. And when I say interact, the means that you know, the pup would do something in the property or something. All of them had pups. All of them had pups. When they were going through the things. At one point in time, they would see pups, younger ones, so I'm saying, so that hit my brain again. I was like, wait, wait, wait, come out. So you're telling me that you're going through an experience, you know, interaction with dog man, and at one point in time you're seeing pops. So is there den The next question was have you ever seen a dan or a mound in your property? And every single one of them the response was yes. They never went to the mound. They never went towards it. Some of them people thought it was a bear mound or something like that, but they never really cared about it. Then, as I'm doing on this research, I my brain one day clicked. I don't know if you remember the those document not a documentary, but the program. It was called Paranormal I think, and the episode was wolf Pack. The Elmira tas and Maine where the family was being stalked on the farm. Right, So when you look at that episode, and this just came to my head as I'm talking to all these different eye witnesses. The family moved into a property. They were new to the property, right, the property had not the world, no one who had been living there. They moved in, new family, new commotion. The daughter, I believe, with her boyfriend, spotted a mound in the back of the property. And the night after or that night, is when they began to have their encounters. When that popped up, that kind of solicified everything else. I was asking everybody else. It was the same scenario. But still, okay, so you have pubs in the property, why why would you make you know what, why would you make dens near Holmes? So all in all, as we began to again talk in every single witness was the same thing. It was the same answers, the same reply. I realized that these dog men the only way even a fox, right, let's say, and you've probably seen this, rather be on social media, rather it be real life or somebody you know, a fox does it, then a kyo does it? Then near Holmes for whatever reason, maybe they feel safe in that area. Maybe there's no hunters near homes, maybe they get that, who knows. But for the most part, those cayos of that fox have lived in that area for quite some time and they feel comfortable with the people who live in that area. And to the point, to the to to to the extent where in the you know, when the pups are young, these pups play in your backyard, right, so they feel comfortable. Mom feels comfortable letting these pubs play in your backyard. They feel comfortable in that area, and that's that. The pups grow up, they move on, right, Sometimes there will be more pups in that area, but they feel comfortable there. So the question to me that's part the curiosity, was well, wait a minute. So the only way for any living thing, because it could be a human right, if you don't feel comfortable with your neighbor, you're not gonna let your kids play outside on supervised because you don't feel comfortable with your neighbors. So goes in all aspects. Is well, So that that should mean that the dog man had been living in this property for quite some time and for whatever reason, feel comfortable with you. But what triggers the bad response. If they're comfortable with you, I had to ask another question. And most of these questions were all private questions, and some people would look at me, you know what, you know, not look at me, but on the phone or on message, have a pause, or why you're asking me this. The question is have you had have you had bad experiences with arguments, divorce, sickness, whatever, And sure enough, every single one of them, the response was yes. Some of them were having a bad divorce, some of them were having a death in the family, some of them were having problems with rebellious teenagers, some were you know, some of those factors all in between. Others were they had just moved into the property, so now they're they're remodeling the property. So the change in the environment was causing the first response of the window picking, the door being scratched, them being showing showing up, and you will see them throwing rocks. And it just happens that the more the bad situations progressed, the more aggressive, and I'll use that word aggressive, they got towards the house of the property because they wanted whatever was happening to stop. Because like the main case, they had a den in the property, and they had pups. Because they had pups, they were protecting their offsprings from whatever situation was happening in your house that caused the imbalance in the environment. Interesting part about it is that in mostly every case, after after the situation stopped ceased, two happen. The pups would also show up and they frolic and you know, the owners would see them early in the morning running around the yard or or whatnot, or just standing in the backyard or something next to the woods. So again when the things stopped, and that's where you kind of if you're analyzing. Okay, so this change of environment really was what was triggering the problem, because now that the problem was gone, the parents felt comfortable enough to allow a four foot tall pop to just be around your backyard. If there was no sense of you know, of comfort or or you know, not being afraid, they wouldn't have allowed that. No living creature would allow their offsprings rather be human or not to be around somebody that they don't feel comfortable with. And this again, throughout the years, the reply is always the saying the situation so my questions are always those go two questions and sometimes they're like I said, eighteen private questions, but the reply is always the same. We had one from Maine, a case from Main that I worked, which again there was a person between it. It was a biologist's friend was having a problem with dog man, and this dog man was ripping her her shingles off and was trying to make an entrance to the roof. And the questions all start the same, you know, well, what's going on the house, And the response was, well, nothing's going on. The house kind of kind of throws you off guard because well, nothing's happening. Why is the dog main doing this? So I looked around, you know, I asked the questions about the environment around, you know, the topography and stuff like that, and I said, oh, there is the possibility of this. What's going on? You gotta there's something going on in the house. And the biologist was a friend of the of the of the female that's having the problem. There's nothing wrong on. It's like you got to ask her if her son because then I knew a day later that her that her son had moved into the too the house and her son had gotten kicked out of the house of her of his house from his wife and went to move to live with his mom. So I told her something's happening with her son. Asked asked her son if he's being abusive towards her, Asked her if her son is drinking alcohol, smoking pot, all these questions. I'm not going to ask her that. You got to ask you these questions. No, those are private questions. You got to ask you these questions if you want my help. And I and and and these these conversations are all a messenger and saved because I go back to different things that might happen or not happen, right for as references. So and I asked you, you got to ask her these questions if you want my help. I'm not asking her. Okay, you want my help or not, yes, but I'm not. And and the last thing answer it was, I bet you any amount of money that the whole that the dog man is doing on top of the roof is over where he sleeps. That's what triggered her to ask her the questions that I want to ask her because she went back the biologists and asked the simple question, Hey, where's where's the hole? And when they realized yes, the hole was being done over the son's bedroom. So she asked her the question, and sure enough, the son was an alcoholic cheated her like crap, would bring friends and then would you know, do drugs in the backyard. And my simple reply was she got to kick her son out the house unless he's gonna be gone anyways, because the dog man is doing what he wants to get to him. So she told the lady. The lady, obviously being older, oreadliving by herself, knew was the problem, kicked the son out, and sure enough, and again I got confirmation over messenger from this individual. Once the son left, all her problems vanished, and the dog man would after the sun left, would like stand in the tree line and watch her here and there and then peacefully walk off. She never had a problem with him again. But that's how impactful our environments, when they have puffs around is to them. It's like a black bear. If we see a black bear far away, but you might walk peacefully and a black bear might not do nothing. But if we start throwing rockster yelling at the black bear, what's the black were gonna do? He's gonna protect her her, you know, their offsprings and that became the why of why dog man comes to properties a lot of and then from there we researched other aspects, other areas which led us to understanding that the bonding issue, there's some dog commanded bond to certain individuals from puppy, but from from young from when their pup, and you know the person's a child because they lived on the property, because they make dends on the property. Those offsprings grow up sometimes seeing a child there as well, so they get this attachment to that child, and they'll take balls, they'll take toys, they'll misplace things. So one of the questions that I'll ask when there's a father, for instance, and children and the president of a dog man, is you know, have your child ever brought something into the home that you did not know what it was, rather it be a shiny stone or something. Had your child ever misplaced something that has not been found and all of a sudden a month later it was in a place that you thought your child wasn't at. And again the reply is always the same yes, and and so that again it gives you the way to more research, asking the proper questions, asking the questions that nobody ever thinks about asking the questions that seem dumb. So, for instance, one of the questions and you probably have heard in the community about tobacco dog man, you know, liking tobacco, okay, But then through research you realize that there's a certain plants that go missing or go eating or or whatnot in the property. And then when I was researching the ingredients of tobacco, you realize that tobacco, a lot of the tobacco is laced with something, and most of it is peppermint, you know, mint, mental or whatnot. So for your basic individual, you know, okay, peppermint, Oh, but that's lavender. Oh but that's you know, caten it or or that stage. They're all different plants, but when you look at the family, they're all from the same family. All those plants are all from the same family. So they're all from the same family. They probably have the same components to it, so it's all attractive to them, and you'll find a lot of dog man. If you have fields of lavender or these plants cancers are, you'll find a dog man near if the if the if the environment is correct. So, like I said, through these asking questions, investigating and breaking things down. You'll figure a lot of things that others have not figured out. I've been able to also haul in dog Man. The first time. It was in Tennessee, actually, and how that happened was was was awkward because I had bluetooth speaker both for myself but also probably a try out on the field, and I'm messing with it and I'm on social media and this noise came up. I won't mention the noise, but the noise came up and it played, and it just I had in the house at that moment in time. I had tuhihuahuas in my eighty pound working bulldog, and all these guys their curiosity sparked. The Tushihuahuas came running towards me and they just wagged their tails and they looked at me and they listened to the sound. The bulldog begins to give this, you know, this yapping sound, and I'm like, So I flew down to Tennessee, met up with researcher. In the first night, we went out to a park and I'm in a rental. So I put the blue to the top of the car and it's about midnight and I blasted the same sound and it's in a sequence of you know, of of numbers, and sure enough, let's just say, we have so much interaction that my coworker researcher wanted to leave. So we had to leave because it got spicy. Not in a bad way, it was just I don't think the co researcher that moment in time was expecting it to work, you know that I but it did. It did work, so we weren't expecting what you know, happened to happen. So we left, but we tried it out again and four different other places, so four in total, so three other places in Tennessee in different parts, and we got to hit every single time. When I say we got to hit, rather I saw it through my ir for you know, a second or two. Rather something by petal ran in and then it ran back out and you can really see or eyeshine at you know, six seven feet off the ground. So I began to use that and again you he would say, well, this audio works, so I want to try it everywhere. But then I had I had to break everything down. And then another researcher who I respect so much, he gave me a little information, a little tibbit nothing. They had nothing to do with my audio, had nothing to do with my audio. He just gave me a little tibbit. And because he had experiences in in in Florida. And when I sat down and I replayed every you know hit that we got in Tennessee, I realized that the topography and the time frame was correct for every single one of them. So using that information, I duplicated that same results and multiple other states looking for the same topography, same timeframe, and the same audio, and the results were always the same. You always get a hit. So again, once you start duplicating it, you realize that you're proving okay, this works because every time I do it in different states, different areas. As long as the topography is the same, you know the the landmarks. So the depography I'm leave for is the same and the timeframe is the same, they're going to be there. So meaning that in research, when I go out of research to have success, I will always look for these things, these marks right to really research and really investigate. If you have cryptis in your property. There's a lot of things, a lot of things that we've done through the years using the same mindset as you'd research you know humans that you research investigations that in in a prison setting, a criminal investigation, or you know, if you if you're doing zoological stuff, you use the same background and and it has always produced results until recently. Again, we always look at dog man and I think this is how how you and I got it got talking together, was because I mentioned about I believe that their genotype is more cat like than dog like. And the reason I say that is there's a specific cat which I'll say tiger. Tiger have kind of the same patterns that dog man have at nighttime. So that's okay. You know, any animal can probably have the same the same patterns as as as any other that doesn't that doesn't that's a more of an environmental thing, right, But there are some things that aren't environmental and aren't learned behavior. For instance, something I mentioned mentioned before, we have there's an Eyewinners that I've talked too five six years. That individual has progressed from being scared to actually taking jogs in the in the area that they've been and we have we can write a whole book on just her alone. When it comes to her experiences, her situations, the stuff that we've done the stuff that she's done everything. But long story short, one day she went on on a jog and she forget, forgot her phone, comes back to her car because she realized that the phone was ringing because her husband she has a I'm assuming she has a smart watch or something. But she goes back to the car. Oh no, no, no, actually she tapped herself. Didn't realize that she had the phone on, and because her husband knew that she her leg was bad, was going to be calling to make sure she was fine. She walked back to her car and her phone had dropped from her pocket next to her car. When she came around the side of the car, the dog man was laying with the phone in between its front paws that produced it produced a specific sound as it got up to walk away. The sound. She I spent probably some some hours trying to look at specific sounds because the way she was describing it. And once I hit the tiger chuff, once you heard a tiger chuff, it was an automatic. Yes, that's what I was hearing from him. And there's on YouTube you can find there was a guy from the UK who was in his tent and you can hear this same chuff on the outside of the tent. It sounds like have you ever heard or seen the movie Jurassic proct the first one, the the t rex. Now the problem is or not. You know, when you look at how a tiger can do that rumble, it's because of the structure of his throat. Canines do not have that structure. Hence why they can't rumble like that. And that's a that's a genetic thing. Cats, big cats, only specific big cats, because not all big cats can do that. Specific cats can do that. And again because their structure, their genetic code, their structure genetically is designed to be able to produce that rumble that shuff. Again, canines don't have their throats designed like that. That sparked an even bigger search and all the other behaviors that we've collected through the years. Simple things. How many canines are comfortable perched on top of a tree. None. You got dogs, domestic dogs that might climb a tree right they're going after something, you know, to look at breathes like you know the technique the walker hound. They love climbing trees. And a lot of hounds love climbing trees after their prey. But they're going after something versus saying to them, said, well, you know what, I'm gonna proach myself on top of that fifty foot branch just because. But yet a lot of dog man are found or are seemed perched on top of a large tree, a lot of there was an eye witness that I spoke to, which is this part is interesting because big cats don't have a slit as your domestic cat has. So if you look at at the pupil of a mountain lion, a lion, a tiger, it doesn't have that slit. Domestic cats have that slit. Foxes have that slit. Hyenas can have that slit to some extent, you know, not as pronounced as a probably a fox. But but it's a quality that you that you look that you would see your domestic cat in certain animals versus a dog. And there's other other little things, other little behaviors. The sensitivity to sound. Cats can hear a lot better than dogs can a lot a lot better than dogs can, and they can pick up sounds below what you can even perceive it to be there, the same as foxes. Like foxes can hear a mouse under the ground right and their hearing is is beyond what you can probably think of. And cats have that same ability. Normal canines don't. Uh. And there's a lot of other things, and it's all based on the structure genetics. They're designed differently for a specific reason. So enhance why this is why these little findings and there's a lot of other findings that you put them together and you realize, well, genetically, a dog is not designed like this. Genetically a dog doesn't have this because it's a dog or a canine. The only the only animals that can have these types of genetic parts. For instance, the chuff, the rumble are cats, you know, Lions, tigers have it. I believe jaguars have it, you know, and it's because they're they're the asults are designed that way. But only cats are designed that way. So again, these little things here and there, you put them together, you realize, well, wait a minute, genetically inside they're more cats or feline type than what you see the on the outside, which is more which is the phenol type, it's more caneine. So I get my theory, my thoughts on that based on these little findings, and again, sure I might have to do a blood test and have you know, to to confirm one hundred percent. But an invest for me, you know, a police officer, detective goes out to investigate, you know, an accident in the road, and he doesn't have to know one hundred percent or being told by somebody that the individual speeding. Right, if he sees the skid marks, if he sees the linkless skin marks, so dog is the skin marks, he will know that the individual speeding even if no one tells them. So they're they're they're You know a lot of people don't understand that. But what I'm what I'm trying to say is if you collect the little data around it, you will get to the conclusion of what you need buy it. And many people just throw these little things out the door. Right, And even even the roar, you'll hear a lot of witnesses speaking or saying it roared. When have you ever been able to hear dog roar? I don't care if your dog is is two hundred and three hundred pounds, right, your vocals, If you don't have the proper vocals and the proper design, you're not going to roar. They can grown, but it's not going to be a roar, right, even even even you're Mallelon doesn't roar right. You have big cats roar, tigers, lions, right, Big cats roar, and their throats are designed to be able to push that. Like I said, again, all these little things are what you when you when you sit down and really investigate. Forget about the fear factor, forget about how the person is feeling, forget about you know, what he thought at the moment, forget about all of that. Look at what's in front of you, look at what you're at, what the person is actually saying, and and you will realize that what some people might perceive of what was happening really wasn't what is happening through the dog man's eyes, at least because the response the behavior was contradicting. And for instance, people will say, the dog man wanted to eat me. It, you know, grinned at me, it showed me his teeth. It was threatening. But then it just turned around slowly and it walked away. So who was a threat to who? First of all, I walked away from you. And then if we look at behaviors in general, how many people smile when they're nervous or they're anxious. Many chimpanzees smile or show their teeth when they're anxious or nervous. Dogs will also grin and show their teeth when they're anxious or nervous. And what does a dog do or cat does sometimes or human chimpanzee doesn't. It doesn't matter. You tend to slowly walk away from what's causing your stress. And the response has been the same. So when you look at other behaviors from other living creatures and they can it could be again from humans to to to your cat and dog and everything in between, it's the same response. So the idea of dog man is not afraid of nothing. Every living creature is afraid of something, right, and it's afraid of certain things for whatever reason. That's just nature, that's just everything has a fear, a fear in it, right. Those that don't have a fear, especially out in the woods out in nature, normally don't survive very long because you can just imagine what would happen if a deer had no fear of a pack of wolves and just decided to go, you know, buck while on them. Well, what's gonna happen. It's gonna be a dead deer especially with a pack of wolves. Right. You imagine if if if a cheetah decides to say, well, I don't have no fear, you're lying at gonna take this food, What's gonna happen? It's gonna die. Right, So every living creature has a fear and a sense of of self preservation. Everything does, doesn't matter what it is, and those that don't eventually end up dead. Right. And when you look at stain behaviors as people talk and as people you know, tell their stories. Again, if you bypass their emotions, because actually they're they're going to be scared, we understand that. But when we bypass that emotion, bypass the perspective of that they're giving out. Just put that to the side. Listen to the story. Listen to what the dogmen is doing. Listen to what the person does and the response of the dog men after right, you will you will see a totally different story from what the eyewitness is saying based on his fear, perception, and his thoughts in the day that it happened. You know, like you'll hear a lot You'll hear a lot of people say that it it ran, it was running after me and I got away from him. But then you people saying that it you know, it was running at fifty miles an hour or sixty miles an hour. It was running, you know, at these incredible speeds. Well, then how can how can a human outrun a dog man? Impossible? So the thought of I got away really is it true or or a truthful perspective of what you think happened? The dog man just wanted you out and chased you out. Which if you look at behaviors, if you have an intruder in your house or or a trespasser, don't you run them off your property? Do you want to hurt them? Unless that happened, But you know normally you just scream at him get out my property. And you know you might bluff for something, but the person runs off, that's it. A bear bluff charges a lot. You know, animals bluff charge, right. Domestic dogs that are bred to be defensive, quote defensive, defending their property will run towards a person. But if the person leaves a property, they go back into the property, right, Some dogs do that, So that tells you if you run away, that means there's something important about that area. And again looking at through that aspect. Then you as a researcher, you start figuring out what is important about this area? Are there more here? Is there a den here? How many houses are around? Is there a river channel? Is there a connection? Is there this or that? Right, So when you go to research, you really you realize really quickly why that area was important. Rather you find a pile of dead animals, dead deer or what. It doesn't matter, right, but you will find the why. But you have to bypass. You have to take away the emotion. You have to take away their perspective because again, when you were fearful and scared, your perspective might not be the correct one. And by doing this again, we've had and I say we because both the witnesses that I've helped, the researchers, the teammates that I've been out in the field with, like, we never get a dull moment. And I haven't had yet to have a person's I say, what you told me to do has failed. I don't know what else it has never happened. If it has happened, the person hasn't told me right. Because again, once you are able to duplicate things and you realize that, okay, This is just the same pattern, and the same pattern goes throughout the US. So it's not that it's not that I there are different patterns for different states when it comes to genetics and how they go about it's basically the same. I have to ask all different questions. But and Taylor, the other thing has to tailor differently is how the person responded. On the first place. You have some people who are more peaceful, you have some people who start shooting. You have some people who just don't give a crap. So I have to I have to tailor the solution to each person differently. Hen's why I stopped giving solutions out in Facebook and social media, because you'd have people who would take that, Oh I heard Rickie told this person this is this, do this, this and this. Like, No, I told that person to do this and this. I didn't tell you to do that, because your scenario is different, going to be different, I'll say, everyone's situation is different, right, But that's why I stopped giving quote advice over social media. Nowadays, if a person has a problem with the dog man, they normally find me, message me, or find me and call me, you know, and then I work their case but it's not I I back then, I used to you know, oh yeah, do this or do that, And I said, there's a lot of people out in the community who are there just for the fun of it, who are there for just the recognition, so they'll take people's work and make it their own. And I wasn't having it because you can get hurt. You know, if you take my advice, or somebody takes the advice that I gave to somebody else and you apply it, well, it might be that your problem is different and you're all you're doing is irritating the dog man. Right, so now you get you get a worse reaction, right, And and then it's not my fault. Well you told no, I told that person. That person is not you, you know, And and and some people did not understand that because they're looking at it as as a dumb animal. And no, no, no, no, no, time on. This is not a bear, This is not a coyo, This is not a wolf. You know, this is not a lion. You know, you're talking about a living creature with the intelligence to understand what you want the first time you want it. And by that I mean is if if, for instance, and this is this is this is an illustration and example. I'm not trying to say this is exactly what I'm trying to say, you know the exact scenario, but to illustrate how spartan they are in comparison to your domestic dog. Right, I might have to take a dog and put them on a position multiple times with a command before he realizes that that command produces or or or or is what I want him to do. Right. It'll work faster if I give him a treat or something. Right, but he's not have to do it multiple times right, and it's gonna it's gonna take a lot of repetitions for him to get it the first time without me having to touch him. Right. I can be in front of a dog man, this is how smart they are, and I can say sit and me sit down. He will already know what it means. Right doesn't mean that they can talk. It simply means they the word that came out your mouth is that for them, that's one, one and done. And if they live next to you, they will pick up on every move and you've done every vocal, that you've done, everything that you've said, right, because they live next to you. So you have some people that said, oh, the dog man said this, he was mimicking what he's been hearing from you all the time. Right. So we have one dog man that mimicked a lady's name, her nickname which is a short, short nickname. But every time she would go outside in the woods, it would say the name. Well, it was the name her kids and her husband would call her. Right. Not for any Malicia's intent. It's just the fact that they do it. So you're out here, I'm going to do it too. We have some that have there's an individual in Ohio, for instance, that the dogman would go under his cabin. So they would he would have some certain things right in front of the door that led to under the cabin. The dog man would take the things out, go in to get under the cabin, and then when they'll come back out, they would attempt again I say attempt because it wasn't perfect, but they would attempt to put everything back the way they took it out right, just like any other eight would attempt to do the same thing, and that time it was never perfect, but you could tell the intelligence of Okay, this was here, this was here, this was here, this was here, and this roll was on top of this, and this was on top of that. It was never perfect. But again, if they're observing their observation skills, they will pick up on everything you do and everything you don't do, and how you do things. We had one in Minnesota mimicking the kids laughing as they get out of the school bus from the top of a ridge because it was it would sit there every day when the kids would come out to wash, the kids play to wash, the kids come out on the school bus, and all it ever heard was the kids laughing. Right, So the landowner property owner would hear the same laughter from that spot of the ridge, which would spark the curiosity because in his mind, why the kids are down there? Why am I hearing laughter up there? And sure, shit enough, the one of the alpha females was the one that was there, sitting there on specific timeframe every day of the school bus came laughing or mimicking the kids when they came out of the school bus. So the their ability there's their their intelligence is very high. Hence, why what I tell you to do for your property, it will be specific towards you and only you, not to anybody else. And again that's that's why I stepped back from giving it specific advice to people out like and on social media. What do you think these things actually are like? For the intelligence the way they are, obviously it's just a theory. But where would they be at on the evolutionary terms from Like obviously there's no upright walking dogs throughout evolution or canine and even feline like, there's no thing that rever really walks around on two legs. Obviously there's bear that can do that occasionally, but it's not like they can run on them and everything else. Like people report these things running on two feet. I've never seen a dog run on two feet, So I don't know. Do you have any opinions on what where they actually come from? Where they come from? I've never really sat down to study that. Right. Again, I was a father who had dogmented the property, so my goal was always to research behaviors to both keep myself safe and through the years keep other people safe and just know the phenomenon. So where they came from wasn't really of interest to me. I never really put my thoughts on what I will tell you this, right, I will say this, many people will read books will read myths and legends and whatnot and attribute dog man to these myths and legends. Right, I do not believe that these myths and legends are dog men at all, at least not dog man that we know. Many people in the Native community, well, I'll say a lot of the older, you know, elders in the Numm community, will tell you if it's a skin walker. But if you look, if you really want to ask questions, they're not going to talk about skin walkers because there's a superstition. So there's not much you're going to get from history when it comes to that aspect because of superstition. Yet one new generation sees a dog man and they know what a skin walker is. They will literally tell you off the these are two different things. And I have messages from Native Americans who will outright say these are not the same thing as a skinwalker. This is an animal, a creature, right, a flesh and blood thing, versus what they know is a skinwalker, which is the person who has special powers to do certain things. But one thing that doesn't correlate or doesn't click with me when it comes to the dog man has been around for as long as mankind has been around right as some people say, is this and I want the audience to listen to this carefully. Let's take Bigfoot. Bigfoot is found in every culture, every country, every oral history right throughout the world, from Alaska to Canada, to the United States, to Australia to Russia, you know, to the Himalayans to China. You have a hairy, bipedal humanoid creature, stories of them right throughout. So when you find all these stories, you can easily see and realize, okay, cool. Then when people tell you that Bigfoot or these things have been around for as long as mankind has lived, you can really believe that, right Because why because every country nation you know, has a story of upright bipedal humanoid. Why is it that not every country has a story of an upright walking canyon. If not every country, and to give you a country off the top of my head, Australia, when you speak to you know, the Aboriginal people there, there is no oral history of an upright walking canan. So how is how can a creature that has been throughout you know, throughout the world, world, throughout mankind not be found in certain countries, in certain areas. Then you look at how is it that some Native Americans via texts that I've talked to, will tell you, no, we don't have any oral history of this, of what I saw this. But accordingly, apparently a tribe right a nation, however, right next to it has on the same state. Right, So if I take one one, you know, uh, one tribe of Native Americans, like, for instance, Wisconsin has a lot of different Native Americans that lived in the state of Wisconsin. Right, So to illustrate it, how is it that one tribe, one you know, tribe of Native Americans from one area has all history of a supposed dog man, which which I'm assuming it's it's a skin walker. But yet the tribe next to it does it. Because if I have one and one, I have to have one in the other. To the nature, animals travel, features, travel, things travel, right, So if I have how can I have stories of so called dog man in one and not have stories of dog man in the other. That to me, that's ludicrous. It tells me that I have to research what you call dog man and so far up to date it's not a dog man, it's skin walker. And even in Tennessee when you talk about dog man, people in Tennessee will tell you, oh, that's a skinwalker, because that's what they hear. No, they're two different things, right, and said by some, by some, I'll say some, right, but from a few Native Americans that have seen a dog man know what a dog man is, but also known and understand what a skinwalker is. So the idea of them being around as long as mankind has lived, for me is a solid null for me, it's a solid nub. Now, at what point in time did they come or were they here or you know what happened? I can't tell you. There is a a biopsy that was done on an eyewitness that was scratched. Scratched. Yeah, uh, wasn't a scratch, No, no, no, unfortunately, wasn't a scratch. It was a lick. This is the same eye witness that that I've been talking for five or six years already, and that we can write a book on. She had she they work in such a rescue and law enforcement and this and that. So she had gone to German, to Germany for the floods down there for some time. She got injured down there. She got some strapes and some you know, wounds and whatnot. She came back, so she was kind of like on leave from work, trying to get herself peeled up. And so they went out with their family to a park a lake, and she had he's a bathroom. So she goes into the bushes, you know, scrots to use the bathroom and she feels her from behind. She's assuming it's just one of a straight dog or something. She doesn't really pay much attention to it, but then it licked one of her wounds, which had stitches, and when she felt the lick, it was porous like a cat, which again it's interesting. Dogs don't have porous tongues cats do. It felt porous and for her time out, if it's a dog doesn't have that type of tongue. And when it turns she turned around, she saw it walk away, you know, run off. So she saw the tail end of it running off back into the brush literally speaking and I'm gonna say that as a joke, but this was literally It scared the piss out of her, meaning she wasn't able to use the bathroom for a while because she was so still scared. Days later, but they did a biopsy on that wound because it just happened that that wound. I can show you pictures of the wound, and I can ask you and I've asked doctors and I've asked nurses the same, show them the picture and explained to the and the question I asked to them is how old you think this wound is? And their response all the time is between four for the six months old, it's already been you know, covered, it's healed, blah blah blah, it's net. And in a minute, I say, what if I tell you this wound is only a week old? Nuss, Yeah, their response is completely fiberglassed, because what do you mean, like, no, this is not even you know, this is not four months old. So the doctors over there did a biopsy and the biopsy came back with multiple things. But it included a bacteria that is found obviously in cats and dogs, and the other one is found in humanoids. So by that eight meaning anything that is that is linked to apes or humans, so ape, chimpanzee, gorillas, you know, we have that same bacteria in our in our mouths. But besides that, I can't tell you anything else, right, I mean, that's what was found in the wound of a biopsy that was linked what these things are, Like you said at one point, until I have a dead body and be able to physically do a blood test on it and whatnot, we'll never know what it is where they come from. I don't know have they been around through eons with humans. My answer to that is absolutely not. Besides that I don't know how to answer that question. That's fine. I don't expect anyone to really know one hundred percent. So what I've said before is like, I don't think anyone really has all the answers when it comes to what these things are, and the people that claim they do, I always take with a grain of salt, because unless they've actually have the body and done all the research and scientific evidence to prove exactly where they are, it's all just assumptions, right right, right, right right. But but you know, and and I one hundred percent agree to it. And there's there's some people that work more on history and stories and books. There's a lot more people that just go off of what they hear on the internet. But there's a few of us, and I see a few, it's not a lot that I've actually done a lot more of the work in the field, that what most people would think. And there's some things that can lead you to a more educated answer over something, especially when you're you know, trying to duplicate the results. But when it comes to that, I, like I said one ones I had, I don't really study study that part yet. And but what I do find is they're not all countries, not all tribes, not all nations have oral stories of them. So how is it that not all of them have oral stories and yet they've been here as long as mankind lives? But you say the same thing about Bigfoot, and every nation, every country, every tribe, every you know, place has a story of an upright walking white people humanoid. So that in itself, for me, sparks sparks that why I say that. No, besides that, like all I can really tell you is when it comes to behavior wise, that I can because that's what I've put my work on, is behavior wise. I mean, we'vet we have different audios. They will chuckle like a hyena and then howl afterwards, and there's so many different audios. They'll chirp like birds, cats do it. The clicking sounds they their own nails click on the floor concrete. But they also make a clicking sound with their with their mouths, which again cats do. Some dogs can probably do it, but it doesn't sound the same. Audio wise, Mom has a different audio when it's calling the there's a sound of I leans using the Avengers assemble type. So when the dog man does a certain audio, normally you'll have all the rest of them come forwards that audio. Mom once she calls, doesn't move on she calls and until they get to her, then they move. They will synchronize each other through audio on what to do. So every audio, you know, every vocal means something. It's very they're very their their vocals are very complex. They can hit two notes at the same time. And again this is all through fuel research and audio collection and behavioral collections. Whatever recordings you have and you would like to send those to me, I can add them to this episode for anyone out there listening, so they can hear them. I guess a few of them. Yeah, sure, absolutely, oh h h h. But yeah, it's it's there there. Their mimicry is good. Now I'll tell the audience is this. They're not perfect. They do make mistakes and once you're once you learn specific behaviors, you can catch what some of those mistakes are. Sometimes. For instance, one mistake that was in my property and yeah, I have dog man in big Foot on my property, was at one o'clock in the morning, you'd hear, uh, what a person would call a bird chirping, right, specific chirp, and you say, oh, cute, nice, right, But then you hear the same bird at seven o'clock in the morning. The problem is that if the bird up at seven o'clock in the morning, it should be roosted somewhere sleeping at one o'clock in the morning. Mm hmm. So they're mimicking. And that's where when I when I realized they were mimicking the seven o'clock bird, but they were mimicking at one o'clock in the morning. They didn't realize that. Hey, buddy, as a human, I know that you're supposed to be sleeping, not up in a box. So they do make mistakes. And if you're able or know enough, you can catch on these mistakes and then sure enough make your research more successful. There's a there's a whole bunch I said, I'll look through through and thank you. Some you can hear them about and attach to the podcast. No, no, I appreciate that. I'm sure the audience would like that too, but I think we can wrap those one ups or anything. U before you get off here, did you'd like the audience to know? Well, dog man isn't inherently aggressive? Dog Man and I want to say it, inherently aggressive is They don't are not born waking up wanting to kill humans. They do sometimes there's a puppet small and the human you know as a child. They do sometimes create bonds which lasts a lifetime, but they're not you know, they respond aggressively towards the human aggression. Some people just live their lives thinking that they are able to do whatever they want with nature, and nature always fights back and a lot of times if you break down stuff, their response was dictated by the humans response. So there's no need to really be fearful, be respectful, be cautious. They can be dangerous, right, keyword, can be dangerous And obviously if you run into an area that they call important, your best bet is just to walk away, leave right, just leave. Don't do nothing, dumb, don't do nothing because you want to you know, have the million dollar shot or whatever. Just leave and just just be mindful of your surroundings when it comes to how you respond, always remembering them. Their response is based on your response. And sure you might have a roague, every animal, every creature, every living thing, they'll have roads, right, But the keynote here is they do not wake up every day wanting to harass people or to kill people. That is not the case. Well, you give us a lot to think about, a lot to look into, so I do appreciate that. And I know you're on a Facebook group. You want to plug your Facebook group for anyone that wants to get in contact with you, Well, yeah, the ac sue. Let me see if I can for contacting me personally, you can. I'll give my email t M. D K nine s at yahoo dot com. That'd be the safest spot that way. You can just send me an email if you're having a situation or a problem and the email comes in strength into my phone. So once it comes in, I A'll see the notification and respond back. I'll include that in the show notes for anyone out there listening. Yeah, well, Ricky, I appreciate you coming on here this morning and talking with me. It's been a pleasure, been uh here, very interesting. Dog Man's always been something that's made me curious, especially after seeing something that I couldn't explain. So I've always been and fascinated with the whole dog Man topic. But now I want to thank you and hope you have the rest of it. Good day. Thank you, sir. Remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the Endowe. All night, everyone,