Ep. 83: Magick and Radionics

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I'm your host, Brandon. Right, we're gonna be joined by my guest Byron Jester. Byron is a practitioner of magic and radionics. Reached out to me to come on here and share some of his experiences and enlighten the audience of what he actually does before we bring Byron on. 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But I think now we're gonna go ahead and bring Byron on, looking forward to talking to him. Hope you guys enjoy what we're going to talk about, not so much into the whole magic and radionics, so it should be a very informative episode. I hope you guys enjoy it. So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Like to take this time and welcome my guest today, Byron. Thanks for coming here and talking to me. Hey, thanks for having me on. Not a problem. You want to tell the audience a little bit about yourself. Yeah, So my name is Byron. I am a magician. I also make radionics machines and just into psychic development spirituality for pre ver much most of my life. I grew up on a small island on the eastern Shore in Virginia in a house that used to be the old funeral home for the island. So I just grew up just seeing spirits everywhere. And I've had a lot of other stuff happen to me throughout my life. And so that's a that's that's a big summary of what I'm all about. What got you wanted to be a magician? Ah, dude, So that's a pretty loaded question. It started honestly when I was like eight years old, probably maybe more like nine years old, but I got into my my father was in the military. My parents got divorced and we moved out to western Washington, and my my mom looked up with this guy that had these giant, like giant appliance boxes, like old cardboard boxes just filled with like every at the time, every conspiracy book, theory, paranormal, books on magic, the occult. So I got into conspiracies and paranormal and Asheville projection all that stuff at a really young age. I would say third and fourth grade is when I really got into it. In fourth grade, I performed a couple of rituals out of Francis Barrett's The Magus, which is also The Grim Wire that Joseph Smith was greatly inspired by. And you know, I had like a like an actual like crystal Ball and all sorts. Hey, yeah, I was pretty I was pretty hardcore little kid. And I was also reading books on like the JFK Assassination, Philadelphia Experiments, MK Ultra, I mean, you name it, you know. But back then, you know, conspiracy was a lot different than it is today. It was before the internet really took off, you know, so you just kind of had a few books. Right around ninety two ninety three, I think at that time period when I was a little kid, I think conspiracies really kind of took off because you had that movie JFK by Oliver Stone that just came out, and it was the thirty year anniversary of the JFK assassination, So a lot of cool stuff was coming out right around that time. I mean for the time anyway, you know, like you know, with the Internet, now it's a lot better aside from the censorship. I think that movie I actually I don't know if I've even seen it. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, Oliver Stone has been one of those people that's always kind of went against the grain when it comes to the government, so it doesn't surprise me. But now there's a lot of things, Like you said, with the Internet, I think it's gave way to people to have more communications and diving into certain topics. But I do believe there's a lot of things that they don't want us to see, and there's a lot of misleading misinformation out there. So it's hard to take everything seriously. Oh yeah, especially right now when we have AI going through and scrubbing everything. Uh, and then you have yeah, misinformation, disinformation, and then a lot of people sensationalized things. They get they get caught up on things before they get all their facts straight. And I mean most people are just idiots. I mean, let's be real, you know, Yeah, I don't okay said this whole podcast, The theme of this and everything else that's uh, it's definitely falls into the realm of conspiracy, but there are so many conspiracies out there that are just I'm pretty sure it was made to be fake, but the whole birds don't exist. The birds aren't real conspiracy. So I have a little theory about that. And I knew it was bullshit back because I mean, they say it's saying that back in uh gosh, it was like two thousand and eight or something. That's an old one and they started saying that back in the day. But I think they might have been covering up for those weird like animatronic drones they have. Like I just watched this one propaganda film on Amazon like a year ago, and they had to do with like this Muslim terrorists and they were spying on them, but they were using like a like a weird like moth or like locust drone to spy on. This is like, you know, like a propaganda film. You can tell the military industrial complex had a stake end and and so so I do think they're using nowadays these weird little like drones that are like really small, really hidden to combat quote unquote terrorism. But so so I wonder if they intentionally put out that misinformation to not only make truth seem, you know, ridiculous to normies, but also to try to kind of cover up the the technology they were working on at the time this movie just came out. I read somewhere before that, and of course our government was blaming the Chinese, because I typically that's what gets the brunt of it, China or Russia. Yeah, they were saying that they're birds that aren't really birds. Now they're drones and they look like real birds that fly around. That's what China has been using on their own people to spy on them, so they assume that that's would be using over here on us as well. I think that might be part of where the whole birds aren't real thing happened. But I think that was all made as just a joke and it just kind of spiraled from there and people actually like believe it. Which again, I have chickens. They were baby chickens, they've grown up in the big chickens. They lay eggs and I eat the eggs, So I'm pretty sure that birds are real, at least mine. I hope that's not that I don't know what I'm eating. Yeah, homegrown eggs are the best. Yeah, by the way, home grown eggs. Once you get used to, like, there's certain things, once you get used to organic, you can't go back, and eggs is one of them. Yeah. And I'm not really a big egg fan, like I et it on certain things, but I'm just not a I don't know, like scrambled eggs bought Mike can go to. Yeah, with the herd and the drum thing, I do think it's probably something they're working on. I don't know how well I'm perfect it is, but but yeah, you know it's but they're saying like all birds are fake and everything, and and I doubt it's it's even a work of technology yet. It might be a little bit and it's probably a little expensive at the moment, but I'm sure you know, like I said, like the propaganda film that I just saw on Amazon, I mean they were portraying it as like something they're already doing. Yeah, i'd have to you know the name of the film. I forget what it is, but basically, they do a drone strike on this terrorist and they kill this innocent little girl, and it's just they're trying to make it seem like the ends justify the means, and it was like just a straight up propaganda film to justify you know, at least and all that. Yeah, it's really new, it's it's only a few years old. If you figure out what it's called, let me know some time and I'll check. Yeah, I'll send you a link for it. Yeah, I'll send you a link for it if I can find it. Okay, But yeah, if you want to go ahead and dive into your experiences, we can do that. Yeah, let's do it. So let's see. I guess to really get into it when I because magic was something I kept putting on the shelf, you know, especially because at the time there wasn't a lot of good books on it. And the Chaos magic books from the seventies that was something that really kind of opened it up a little bit more because they were breaking down separating, you know, like the folks superstition and religious superstition from it and breaking it down into a technique and trying to isolate see what works, you know. And chaos magic is named after chaos mathematics. It was popular in the seventies, but you know, so before the Internet really took off, you know, I didn't even waste my time getting a computer until like two thousand and six because the Internet really wasn't even that useful and computers were really expensive, and I was also a musician, so I was busy doing stuff in the real world anyway. But the thing that really sparked, like like really lit a fire under me with magic was when someone put a curse on me. And because there's this big misconception with magic, and for the longest time, I just thought it was like law of attraction. I already did good like manifesting things, you know, I already had that kind of ability to kind of impose my will on reality. My brothers do too, and they don't even practice magic. It's just you know, we come from a military family. It's just something we do. But someone so I always thought magic was like law of attraction, power of prayer, that kind of thing. And when someone put a curse on me, that was when it was like, Wow, this is something really really physical. This isn't just you know, a placebo effect. If you will you know, and even if it is a placibo effect, if it works, it works, you know what I mean, Like, who cares what the mechanism is, you know, if you can get it to work and it works for you, then do it. But when the churs got put on me, all of a sudden, it was like a pornado of chaos, and it was like real physical things, you know, like birds started flying to my window. They started flying to my window when I was driving the car. All this bad stuff started happening to me all at once. And then these omens started having like six six six kept popping up everywhere I went. If I went to the store, my change back would be six sixty six. I'd get a receipt. Every mean, he's everywhere everywhere. It was just this tornado of chaos, and you could feel this entity like just hunting you down. It literally reminded me of the movie Predator, you know, like like you know it's there, but you can't see it, but you know it's there and you can feel it hunting it. Yeah, it really reminded me of the Indian guy on Predator, you know. And and then so you know, I started doing the banishing ritual the pentagram that's pretty common. And then it started going after my girlfriend and she didn't even believe in curses at all. You know, like like she believed in spirituality and everything, but she didn't believe in like physical curses until this happened. And then when when I eventually broke the curse and everything, it all went away. And then I immediately started getting the omens that it went away and everything, but the curse literally started going after her after I. Once I started like vanishing and doing that kind of stuff, I started going after her, and it was going to try to take her out on the freeway. I could already tell. But but after that, you know, that was when I really went Okay, there's something. There's something going on here. You know, there's like an actual physical mechanism going on. It's not just law of attraction placebo, power of prayer type stuff and U And even though I don't encourage people to like misuse it, you know, even though I don't really care if they do, I just don't really try to encourage that kind of stuff. But it almost seems like baneful magic is by far the most real magic, if that makes sense, you know what I mean When you're talking about magic. I know a lot of people, including myself, we've all I've always been skeptical. But how do without giving it everything, Like, how do you explain magic to people, like in like Layman's term for someone that doesn't really buy into it, how would you describe it? Is it an energy? Is it an illusion? Like when you say you do magic, like your a magician, what is it exactly that you're doing? Well? Me, everyone's different, uh me. I usually focus on summoning spirits. You know, there's a lot of different ways you can go about it, but I prefer just summoning a couple of spirits going like, hey, you know, do this do that make an offering poof? You know, I prefer I prefer working with spirits. But also, you know, I do everything, you know, energy, healing, distance healing, psychic development, actual projection, I mean everything. Uh But when I think of magic, because you know, Alistair Crowley had that quote that it's causing change in the world and conformity with the will, right, I mean, but I mean, you know, making a peanut butter sandwich is causing change in the world using your will, you know. So I don't really consider that magic, you know, I consider it more like working with spirits. So that's pretty much what I consider it, And it gets kind of convoluted when you start getting down this this thing because we have this ability to create thought forms and to create you know, like, have you ever heard of a servitor or an evergore? Yeah? Okay, well, I mean for anyone who's listening, a servitor is an artificial spirit and the word ready honest, it is more of like a psychic robot. But in the world of magic, it's basically an artificial spirit. It's basically an imaginary friend that you create to accomplish certain tasks, you know, and yeah, sort of yeah, you build it from the ground up. But so you know, there's another quote with magic that, uh, it's all in the mind, it's all on the head. You just have no idea how big your head is, you know. And that's true and all, but it's not the complete truth. But so it gets kind of convoluted because because there are real spirits you come in contact with these if anyone here has ever done like d MT or ayahuasca or anything like that, but the entities you come in contact with it on DMT are definitely real entities, you know. And so I mean I do believe there are real spirits or just incarnate or Damon's parasites. You know, all different kinds of entities all around us, and I think some of them are just a natural byproduct of the human experience, and I'll go into detail on that in a second, and then others I think are kind of task with the responsibility of kind of like maintaining reality itself. And so now with the Servitor, it's a spirit that you just create. You just create this thing to accomplish certain tasks. And the thing with magic is I mean you could sum in Scrooge McDuck if you wanted to. And not only can you sum in Scrooge McDuck, he will answer your questions and he will even bring you money, you know, if you do it right. You know, it's all in the operator, how well you you know your skill level. But but there's still real spirits out there, you know, so it gets really convoluted once you start kind of trying to break down like what's objective reality and what's can and what subjective reality? You know, look at the chaos magicians. They want to think everything is subjective, and I don't think I believe in that. I do think I believe an objective reality. I think I believe an objective morality, you know. So yeah, so that's all a bunch of stuff that I'm not one hundred percent familiar with, so I don't really have lean one way or the other with it. But when I think of magic, I think we've all been bastardized by what we see on TV. And it's more or less like, oh, street magic, someone walks down there and pulls a card out and this and that, Like that's when someone says magician. At least for me, that's kind of what I've always liked. You have your David Copperfields or your Chris Angels or whoever the held out there doing it now, But to me, those are just always just seemed like trick, not so much anything real as in spirit realms are manifesting anything like. To me, that just seems like they're just pulling some kind of a illusion. Yeah. Well yeah, I mean they're definitely illusionists. And but some of those magicians I do think are actual occultists. Chris Angel is one of them. I have that jailing Christian Angel actually does real magic on top of his stage performance, you know, and I think that's probably where he gets some of his inspiration from a lot of Ventrillock with are doing the same thing where they turn their dummy into an actual entity. You know, they turn into like a servitor, so it becomes alive. So they actually have like a more organic back and forth with it, you know, like you're seeing that a lot of that now magic, it's kind of it was really starting to blow up from twenty fourteen till about now, and it's starting to get censored a lot. Yeah, so I think it's gonna get centered more in a little bit, especially you know, AI algorithms keeping up with everyone. Because here's the thing with magic. You know how I mentioned it. It's there's a quote that's all in your head. You just have no idea how big your head is. Well that's I mean, that's true. But here's the thing. You can You can use magic to accomplish stuff in someone's life three thousand miles away. They don't even know you exist. Magic is so real you can use it to kill people, and people do it all the time, you know, like every black magician and every source of where worth his assault has a legitimate kill count. And it's something to be mindful of when you have disagreements with some of these people online. You know, and so it doesn't get any more real than that, you know. So then you've got to start thinking about, like, what's the mechanism, what's causing this? And I don't think particle physics can explain it at all, you know. That's why I think we need to go back to field theory and ether the ether because here's the thing. If I create a thought worm in my head, how can that thought worm create change in your life two thousand miles away from you right now? You know, there needs to be a background medium or that thought worm to get moved through, to pass through. That's what That's what I think. Yeah, Now, if people were able to do that, I guess it's a hard to comprehend it to an extent. But basically, if people can manifest things by with magic whatever, almost like you said earlier, put a curse on the people, is there a way to do the opposite, like a beneficial curse? If that makes any sense? Oh? Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to, you could use magic to kill cancer. You know, have you heard of doctor William Bankston? I have not. Well, he's a college professor. I think it might be Ivy League, but it's a big college. It's not like a community college. He's a college professor, and you had this shoulder problem his whole life, and an energy healer healed it for him and in one minute, you know, like well like five or ten minutes, however long it takes into an energy healing session. I don't know what kind of the guy was practicing. Anyway, the guy healed it, and William Benkston did not think it was going to work. Then all of a sudden, it worked. And he's a scientist, you know, so he was stuck with this concept of what do I do with this now, because a lot of people in the science community would probably just suck out and pretend like it didn't happen at all, you know, or just thinking that, oh that I just got lucky, you know, because skeptics have this thing where they kind of use skepticism as it used to be an idiot. I don't know if you've ever noticed that, but a lot of them do that. But he did the opposite. He went full into it. He started doing lab experiments on energy healing, and he was taking these lab rats and he was using a really terminal type of cancer in these labrats. He was injecting each of these labrats with a really terminal cancer and cultivating it. And he starts doing energy healing and all the labrats and he starts getting rid of their cancer super quick. And not only that, after a rat a labrack got the cancer, if he got rid of the cancer with internety healing, that labrac couldn't be contaminated with that same cancer again. And not only that, the rats that chame from that offspring if that rat, you know, reproduced, because you know, he was doing like really isolated, you know, he was doing thousands and thousands and thousands of rats. It was a big experiments he was doing. But uh, but the offspring of that rat, we're also immune to that type of cancer. And then so he started playing with different energy healing techniques and he tried all of them like green and key, blue, flame, prana, you know, all different cultures, all different and all of them worked. So then he started practicing on just taking pictures of the rats home and doing energy healing on the rats through pictures, and same thing, got the same results. The rats cancers would go away. So then he started doing energy healing on their water bossles just on their water, same thing, the cancer went away, they couldn't get that same cancer again, and the offspring from that Iraq couldn't get that same cancer again. So he started doing all these crazy experiments and they're all well documented, but apparently he's not even the first one to do it. When he started doing the experiments, he found other people's research. They were doing it, and so he was like, you know, science says there's no data for the stuff, but there's like thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of data, pure reviewed, you know, like they just don't want to acknowledge that it's real. But here was the interesting thing about it, because he explains that power of energy healing is more of like an exchange of information. But he also thought that the power of healing was more on the person receiving the healing than the person giving it. And another thing that he found in these studies, a more lethal and terminal cancer was a lot easier and faster to heal than just like a benign tumor. You know, benign tumors would shrink a lot slower, but if it was like malignant and it was going to kill the rat, it was easy to get rid of way easier so I thought that part was really fascinating. I don't think mainstream medical or science or anything like that will go that route though, because I think cancers and diseases and everything else they as they're big money makers and they don't want to go out of business. But if you can go to someone that they can treat you with some sort of energy healing powers or anything like that, to me, it's a kind of posts the industry out of business. And I don't think that's good for the money making schemes that I think they do with the medical field. Yeah, plus the one is domb down and sick and useless and people, you know, And you gotta look at the medical industry like the last few years, you know, like in twenty twenty when all that stuff went down, like they were calling vitamin D in vitamin C pseudoscience. I mean, that's how ridiculous, you know, the medical institution is, especially in America. I just I just shake my head anymore, Like I don't it's not worth going down if I start talking about certain things that it gets me flagged and banned from YouTube. So oh yeah, I'm not going into it. I'm well aware of it, you know, I try not to even go down those routes when it comes to medical stuff because I don't need their bullshit coming on here, trying to say that I'm spreading false information when in reality they're the false information. Put what I find out people are still getting banned for, you know, even on Twitter or actually whatever, you know, people are still getting banned talking about it. Yeah, it's we claim we're in the land of the free, we have free speech for everything else, but in reality, there's nothing free when it comes to being a person, not so much even in just our country, like everywhere, there's always something out there that completely keeps us away from just being able to do what we need to do. There's always some sort of rules and regulations and over over authoriating. I don't know if that's even a word. I might have just emitted that, but something that's overreaching us basically to keep us down because they don't want us to be unified, They don't want us to be intelligent, they don't want us to be healthy. They just want us to be what we are right now. And that's just fogging the sprocket, hogging the machine, turning the wheel, whatever it is. Yeah, work by a consumed die, you know. Yep, but so yeah, doctor William Banks, and I think everyone should check that out just because it's it's like legitimate scientific experiments done on energy healing and and that's basically the same thing as all other forms of magic. You know, distance healing and distance healing and natural projection are really similar because you know, once you visualize the perth and in front of you, start zapping them with energy, I mean, you're there in the room with them. You know. Wait the last few years, I recently moved out to Utah, but when I was living in Western Washington, I was working in a bar and which was like the perfect brooding ground too. Uh good at magic and radionics all this stuff. But I remember there was a few uh old timers that came to the bar and they got sick and they're in the hospital and everything. Uh one of them was on his deathbed, UH old man down and and I did energy hailing on him, used radionics on him, and uh and brought him back. He came back to the bar and had a few more drinks. You know. But when I, uh, when I started zapping him, uh doing the distance healing on him, I mean suddenly you could see the entire hospital room. It's it's sort of like and people that are in the soul travel usial projection, they talked about this too, remote viewing. They call it anchoring, that you at an anchor there, so they you know. But but when I started zapping them, I mean, suddenly you can see everything in the room almost, you know, not everything, but it's pretty profound. And the thing is is anyone can do it, you know, just no one tries to, you know, no one even thinks about it. But anyone can do it. And the thing with magic too is everyone does it all the time and they don't even know it, you know. And how many people do you know or have known in your life they have a really negative outlook on life, and they're constantly cursing themselves. Almost everybody, almost everybody, you know. It's super calm, it's super common. Yeah, I could say the same thing about myself. I've always I'm not so much. I don't want to be a negative Nancy, but I don't ever see a whole lot of positive. I try and say to be positive and encourage positivity with people, but at the same time, like we all kind of know that life sucks. There's not a not a whole way of getting around it. Like we all have to do the daily grind, and some people enjoy it, some people don't. But that's part of I don't think that. I always say I wouldn't change anything though I enjoyed my family. I love my family and my kids and everything else. So for me, it's like doing this podcast, I guess is my little outlet. So yeah, and you get to talk to interesting people and everything. Yep. And you know, there's something to be said with being real though, you know, because like one of the there's a lot of issues in the spiritual communities, all of them, you know, even the atheist communities. There's a lot of spiritual narcissism, you know. You see it with a lot of the Christian truthers, you know, like they think everything is satanic. They think yoga is satanic, you know, the the New Age community, everything's all love and light and you know, you know, the thinking positive is important, you know, but denying reality is so destructive and from the terms of like manifestation. That's why they try to be all love and live and try to be all fake positive as they think, you know, it is true that energy goes where, or energy goes where where attention goes, you know. But the thing, but the real truth is is what you resist will persist. Like if you deny certain things, you're just gonna manifest them even more. Like what you resist is you're almost dooming into reality, you know. And a lot of people don't understand that. And I mean this spiritual it's so weird that humans are so prone to it too, you know, because like I said, even the atheists I don't believe in anything spiritual, Like those guys are like pretty narcissistic too. You look at the amazing atheist Richard Dawkins is a good one. That guy is such a pompous prick, you know. And and they just you know, uh, And the occult communities you have the same thing. You have, the armchair ocult is. They're like, oh it all And they are the type of people that will like argue with you and send you like a four page essay on the definition of elohem, you know. And then you know, black magicians. I think black magicians are probably the more real people in the spiritual communities. But even those guys, you know, a lot of those guys that power hungry, their edge lords, especially the younger ones. The younger ones will curse you for no reason, just grab being a disagreement with them, or just to see if they can. Some people will just are just trying to see like what they're capable of, and they'll just do it just just for practice. You know, someone can curse me with the blessing of a lot of money so I can do this full time. Oh yeah, I'll say you some blessings later. Just try to send me like a witness sample or something. Yeah, I'll totally do it. So that's a good segue into uh, radionics, I think. So radionics a fascinating history. It originally came up in the nineteen ten's, like around like nineteen Doctor A Aram's discovered on it. And are you familiar with Royal Raymond Rife, like the Rife machine Rife technology. I've heard of it, and with radionics, I've actually I had an app, but I don't remember where it's at now, like when I got a new I don't think it I installed it again. But it would give you locations of high energy. It would pick outs. I don't know if it was true or not. I never really. I went to a couple of spots when I was at work, and I never really noticed anything like weird with it. But it was supposed to be like a radionics thing that it was like some kind of app I had, like an owl on it. I think I haven't tried any of the alps or anything, you know, I would be hard pressed if they were, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. But I don't know. Just one of those things I've never tried. But so so, radiots was a discovered by a doctor, doctor Abrams, and later on a bunch of doctors started getting into and they started developing it. And what they started, they started not only treating people and healing people with radionics, but they're also diagnosing them. And what happened was the FDA here in America found out about it and basically through both of the doctors in prison. Some of them died in prison. It was a really serious thing. Confiscated all the machines and destroyed them. And there was actually it was happening in Europe too, in the UK, and these radionic practitioners were about ready to go to prison. And as luck would have it, if you want to call it luck. It's kind of a morbid luck. But the judge's wife happened to have terminal cancer, and at the time, you know, nineteen twenties, you know, cancer was definitely a death sentence, you know, like you had a five percent chance of surviving it or living a certain amount out. And the radiotic practitioners were like, really, oh that really sucks, judge. Uh do you think just for fun, you know, since you're so desperate anyway, Like, wow, just give us a sample of her hair and we'll see what we can do. And they totally got rid of her seaward. And then the judge was like, you know, after that, he couldn't throw him in prison. He couldn't find them guilty, so he dropped the charges. But I was a pretty fascin anting party. But it kind of got squashed for a little while. And then a rocket scientist that worked for JPL heard about it and sort of like doctor William Banks, and he didn't believe it, but he gave it a shot. He built a small radioc machine, just just a really simple one, just an input plate, an amplifier and an antenna, really simple, and his daughter had like warts on her on her face, and I forgot how that happened, but he just took a picture of his dog before she had the warts, focused on her not having warts any more, and turned the machine on and I think within three weeks, maybe four weeks, all worked on her face went away. So then he was like, you know, because he's another scientist, he's a materialist atheists, you know, one of those guys. And then he was like, well, what do I do with this now now that I know that this works? You know? So he started going to it. He wrote a book on on radionics called Mind Machines You Can Build, and I actually have a copy of It's pretty good. A lot of it is just like pendulum dowsing odds, a lot of stuff like that, making pyramids and stuff like that. But uh, but he does get like a really simple schematic on how to make a really basic RADIONICX machine. And then so after after after that happened, radionics kind of resurfaced in like the sixties, I want to say fifties and sixties, probably sixties, and it was being used for agriculture because a lot of people that were using radios were terrified to use it for healing because they didn't want to go to prison and you know, have their whole lives ruined and get it destroyed. You know. So they were using it for agriculture and then they would take a picture of the crop and they would put a can of pesticide on the input plate, a picture of the crop on the output plate, dial the rate, and get rid of the insects. But then they discovered, after doing this a little while that they didn't even need a can of pesticide. All they needed was a picture of a can of pesticide. That was really kind of started. You know, that's when people really started figuring it out that a lot of it was just intent and witness samples were you know, you don't even really hardly need a witness sample. So then that was going off for a little while. And then this one ceremonial magician, Charles Causing motto everyone calls them Uncle check. He he he was someone who was like summoning demons and stuff, and you know he's a really mischievous guy. I mean he uh, he just he was like, Wow, if I had this, I could really f a lot of stuff up, you know. Like so he was the guy that was the first guy to WEAPONI you know, he was the guy that literally started just tearing stuff up with it. Man, he's kind of a pariah among a lot of the radioist communities some people, excepting now is like one of the you know, like one of the fathers of it, of modern radio on it. But you know, he was a paria a lot of the radio because a lot of those guys were dedicated to healing. They didn't want it to be misused. And then Uncle Chucky was like, I can kill people with this. This is great, so and and then from there the rest is history. Now it's you know that what's everywhere. Lots of people are using radionics. It's it's really blown up right now, especially among the black magicians, you know, because they're always looking for more power, you know, they're always looking for anything that works. Is radionics. What they use in scientology. Know that what they're using in scientology, that is I'm surprised they don't use radionics, honestly, because you know, because they're kind of against a lot of mainstream medical and psychiatry and stuff like that. But no, what they're using is a uh, it's a one third of a light detector test, you know, so it's basically just scanning your anxiety. Okay, you know, I forget what they called it, but I was trying to think of those radionics or not. I know they had like you hold these little things. It's almost like a light detector test. But they called it something and I can't it's a thetan meter, okay, a thetan meter. Yeah, yeah, I'm not not too sure what it was. I know I've seen some things here or there, but I honestly thought it was they practiced radionics. I thought it had something called onyx and and I'm to look it up here. Maybe you're thinking of the actual science they call scientology. It's called dianetics. That's what it did, dianetics. Yeah. Yeah. I had a chance to buy the book on dianetics when I was still living in Western Washington, and I passed it up, and I kind of regret it now because I haven't seen another copy since. You know. Yeah, like I said, I don't know a whole lot about the whole scientology thing. It's just I remember that word dianetics or whatever, and that's for some reason I was thinking of radionics or whatever. So but not to not to cut you off. It was just one of those little things that popped in my head. Yeah, and you were into like a lot of the paranormal stuff. A lot of people use radionics for looking for UFO hunting and paranormal stuff, and people get good results using radionics for paranormal investigation and you stuff. Yeah, that's what that app claimed. It was was for like finding hot spots of like for energies to find like weird I don't want to call them portal, but like weird vortex's or something that were like high energy areas. And like I said, I went to one or two of them and I just looked around. I was like, well, I mean someone's area here. I was a spot by the side of the road and another one was in someone's backyard. Is like, well, I'm not trespassing side them. I didn't really use the app after that, just because of the places they were giving you can't really go to anyways. Yeah, I've never tried them. I heard someper better than others, but I've never tried one of those apps. But the thing with me is, like, you know, I grew up in a house that was Hella haunted. It was basically a portal to the other side. So and you know, in fact, every house I've ever lived in was haunted, so it was a common denominator there. Obviously I'm a vibrational match for it. But you know, it's one of those things where it's like, if you already know they're they're Like, I don't know. The paranormal investigation thing is, especially when you're a magician, because I'm like, dude, put the rests to work, you know what I mean, Like, you know, a couple of candles, a couple of sticks of incense. You know, you say some words, you do some stuff, you know, like like who cares about getting a picture or a little reading on a app on a phone? You know, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I guess it's it's it's I guess it's cooler than just sitting around watching TV, you know, But I don't get it. I just don't, like, if you already know they're real, you know, what's the point? Mm hmm. You know you said you grew up in like the funeral home for this little island or whatever. Yeah, yeah, what is some of the strangest things that you encountered while you were there no just sing spirits everywhere, and but they were like well defined. It wasn't like an orb. Even though I have lots of pictures of orbs. I have pictures of orbs on shellm, like down in my basement. Uh, and I'm not even using a flash on the camera. You know, there's orbs everywhere because I went down there to visit before they sold the house. And uh. But yeah, you know, the thing that I remember that those probably about it was they were always well dressed. You know. It wasn't like some dude in like a white T shirt and blue jeans. It was always they were always well dressed. That was the thing that really kind of stuck out to me. But I didn't when I was a kid. I didn't know as a funeral home. And my parents would always tell us that, oh, you're just imagining new things. Oh, it's just you know, because they don't want to freak out a kid, you know, like, oh, well this place, yeah, there was like one hundred and fifty dead bodies here one month. You know, like, yeah, well that's just Charlie. Yeah he comes and goes, you know, you know. But so yeah, I mean my little brother, he saw my Grandma Virgie after she died. That that one stuck out to me a lot. But you'd be like one of those things where you just always see someone walking down the hallway, or you'd wake up and you would see someone standing down on you and you rub your eyes and they were gone. A lot of it was just stuff like that. You know. I don't remember any like polter guy stuff and uh. But you know, like I don't know how psychic you are or if you two an any of that kind of stuff, or if you around. But I mean I was on Google Earth. I was looking at the house of Google Earth in the house empty, but you can still see the ectoplasm just oozing out of the house, Like you can literally tell the house is haunted from the street on Google Earth, you know. And like I said, yeah, people still see my grandma rocking on a rocking chair there, even though the house is empty and there's no rocking chair. You know, they don't even know it's my ground, you know, I do. I do. Is it because you're more open to this stuff? You think you're more sensitive than you're able to see the things that other people can't see. Yeah, yeah, a little bit. You know when I was, uh, And there was a little while there in my late ts in early twenties, mid twenties when I was drinking a lot to try to shut it off, you know, and it almost kind of made it worse, really, And it's one of those things you can't just run from your problems, you know, because as soon as I quit drinking, it's like, yeah, it was still there, you know, it didn't go anywhere, but yeah, I do so. So I grew up on that highland in Virginia, but I also grew up on this military base in this military base was kind of an hobshoot of Norfolk, Virginia, which is, you know, a lot of naval intelligences there, and Virginia had a lot of intelligence going on there anyway, that's where the CIA is. You're right next to DC, you know, you have norm foot But but I was living on this military base and I was going to elementary school, and it's really bizarre. So I I used to always go out of body as a kid, and I would always dream what was going to happen to me before it happened to me, you know. So there's a lot of days where I would just wake up. But that would know certain things that were going to happen to that day because I just dreamt about it. But in this military school, they would pull me out of class and I was the only one that got pulled out of class to do this. But they just started scouting me for fucking something. I don't know, but they would have me take all these weird tests, and a lot of it was like how well I could keep a secret, if I would carry out a mission even if it was wrong. It was like all these really and I never thought about it, you know, but it would happen all the time, and I would always know when they were going to pull me out of class because I would dream about it before it happened. And there was only like one other kid in the whole school, and I think it was in a different grade than me. I think it's a little bit older that was doing these tests too, really weird. They never told me what they were what they were doing, but it was basically like like how well I could keep a secret, how well I would carry out orders? Uh, like if I was if I would go the wrong thing or something that I thought was wrong, even if it was part of a mission. It was really bizarre, and I never thought about it at all because when it really started ramping up, like I said, my parents got divorced, I moved out to Washington, and I just never thought about it. And then like around like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, I'm just sitting there. I was like, you know, that was really weird, and no other school I went to ever did that. And so I don't know, man, But yeah, I always had that ability. I guess, you know, I have a lot of hair in my chart, even though the Taurus. But I am naturally clar of why. And I can see auras, you know, I can see I can definitely see energy, you know, I can see any you know, I could definitely see things, you know. But for the most part, at least, I don't know because I always thought everyone could, you know, Like I never paid any attention to it. It. I always just thought that's what just I just thought everyone could, you know. I didn't think there was anything special about it at all. You know, I don't see certain things and anything like that. But I've also and I've said before, I'm kind of skeptical. So I'm wondering if I'm just not open to certain things because oh yeah, Well, first of all, the last thing you ever want to do is tell yourself it's a coincidence or it's just your imagination. Nothing is a coincidence. I'll guarantee that, you know, never tell yourself it's a coincidence. You know, if you tell yourself it's a coincidence. Like if someone put a curse on you and you told yourself as a coincidence, you're probably gonna die or you're gonna get really messed up from it. Like, never tell yourself it's a coincidence. Every time I've ever told myself it was a coincidence, I ate it, you know what I mean. No, I I've recently been saying I don't believe that there's coincidences. So yeah, yeah, yeah, there's not, you know, and the gut is always right. You know, your brain might mislead you half of the time, but your gut instinct is always right. Is there any other types of weird experiences you had that you'd like to talk about? Oh yeah, so okay. So I was living in this college town in western Washington and before the political historia and everyone went completely insane, it was by far the best town I've ever lived in my entire life. I love this place. But anyway, everyone crazy. So anyway, I was living in this apartment and this is in my mid to late twenty I think I moved out of there, like right when I turned thirty. And so when we're moving in, we checked out a few of the other apartments in the building, and I remember telling the lady that we wanted this apartment because we like the energy in there better, and her eyes got really big and scared, and she turned like ghosts white, like she saw a ghost. And she was like really, And I remember thinking, like, why does someone die in there or something? I actually remember thinking to someone can get suicide, right, And so so we take that apartment move and don't think anything of it, and you know, like me and my girlfriend, you know, we start fighting a lot. Uh, I started drinking even more. My face started changing, like it's one of those things where you start looking in the mirror you don't even recognie yourself, Like your face looks different every day, you know. And and you know, so a bunch of stuff, a lot of stuf happened in our relationship. This is before that churs got put on me and I really started taking it up a notch, you know. And uh, I remember this this one night, we uh we smoke some d MT. Have you ever done to even tell right of not know? Well, you totally should. You should probably try like thirty or fifty times in your life. Anyway, So we smun some dt and we see this slightly overweight lady hanging from a ceiling fan in the dining room. And we don't even have a ceiling fan in the dining room, by the way, and we're on the top floor. And it wasn't like a bad trip. It was just like part of the background. And you know, it didn't really eat I mean, we definitely thought something of it. We started piecing it things together after we saw that because it was crisp and clear. It was like real, you know. It wasn't like like a bad trip or a distortion or a hallucination. You know, you were seeing like a legitimate photograph almost. And I remember when we were moving out the apartment when we got our house, and yeah, it was crazy. Uh so we're moving out, I noticed that every single apartment on the top floor had a stealing fan in the dining room. Right mine was the only one that didn't have a ceiling fan on the entire top floor. And yeah, no, I when it comes to stuff like that, and I've said it before, I'm kind of a I want to I wouldn't say straight edge, but I I don't partake into a lot of things. So it's nothing that I'm really familiar with. I've had other people to do it, and I've talked to people to do it, but it's not really anything that I can relate to one way or the other. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I don't even drink, you know, I'm I'm pretty straight, you know, like like I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke tobacco. You know, I don't watch TV. I don't watch porn, you know, like I you have the themor I started working on, like psychic development, myircial journey and everything. The more the more you just can't even you just can't even enjoy stuff like that, you know. Yes, I don't drink a whole lot. I don't do I don't smoke or anything like that. So it's for me, it's just kind of I've always been like I just have never had interest in most of that stuff. Like I might have an occasional beer here or there, like as a social thing. But it's not anything that I just sit around and do because I just have no interest. I guess my my drug is a caffeine. That's the game here. I fill during caffeine. You know, I think about quitting, but it's like, dude, it's so hard to go through life about something. You know. Yeah, we've all got our vices some way or another. Yeah, yeah, But you know, DFT was an important part of my journey I would say, late twenties. Like I said, I was living in a college town in western Washington, so it was pretty normal for psychedelics to kind of float around, uh there. And you know DMT is like completely different psychedelic than than anything on the planet. It's uh, it's it's so important to do it. And I remember this one, uh because it only lasts like ten minutes, you know, so to really get the full effect, you kind of have to do it a lot in a night, you know. So so so, so we smoked it pretty much drop for like six hours, and I remember, man, because it only like decalcifies your pineal gland and really kind of hits it working again from all the pharmaceuticals, you know, chlorine in the water, lor meine, fluoride, all that stuff, all that stuff that calcifies your pineal glad. But it really helps saying a lot of that out. But I remember, and this was this was a real trip. This is when I thought I'd figure out the difference between a lucid dream and an out of body experience, you know, the difference between a natural projection and a soul travel. You know. So, uh, I wake up and I hear something. I go look out the people, you know, look out the window, stand in the kitchen for a second, and then I go back in the bed room and I see myself sleeping in bed, and I was like, oh, interesting, you know, And so then I started flying around, you know. But uh, yeah, it's it's an important you know, like I don't I don't do anything now, but it was definitely an important part of the journey. When I was in my late twenties, you know, living in a college town. I didn't my college town is I stayed at home and I went to the community college. So I didn't I didn't go anywhere super fancy, and I didn't even finish college. But I mean here I am now world famous podcast. Yeah, dude, I mean college is almost a waste of time. I said, I was living in a college town. I can't tell you so at the time, minimum wage was ten dollars here right. I can't tell you how many kids I knew they were only they had like college degrees, like two of them, even maybe even three that were making twelve fourteen dollars an hour. I can't tell you how many kids I knew that they had ridiculous college degrees and they were making peanuts. But on the flip side, everyone I knew that what the tech and trade school are making thirty to sixty dollars an hour, some of the IT guys are making you know, like a huntre closer to one hundred to some. But it's just so funny, like there's so many people that have these, you know, half a million dollars in student loan that you know, like through fucking degrees and they're making twelve fourteen dollars an hour. That's why I stopped going to college because when I was going it would have been two thousand and four. But basically they said that when I graduated, I could probably get a job for one of these companies at like eight to ten dollars an hour starting out and eventually make more once you work your way up. I was like, I'm already making that much. Why am I going to college in this field to start off making the same amount of money I'm making now? So I stopped going to college, and then now I'm in a career job to where I make a pretty good living. So it's I was like, well, you don't always have to have a college education just to just go get yourself a skilled trade and go from there. Oh yeah. When I was first working at that bar, that was a county just south of the college town that I was living in, and there was a kid there. He was from the same college town, Bellingham, Washington, and he had an awesome degree in political science. And it's sitting there like cooking in a kitchen for twelve dollars an hour. You know, you know, I couldn't believe it. I think, like some of the things that we are told that we have to go to school, we have to do this, we have to do that. I also believe it's just another way of keeping everyone down to an extent. Yeah, you're getting an education, but you're already going to be in so much debt or repay for that education, and then the jobs you get. Like with me, everyone that I knew went into like business management or like some sort of computer things, and all these people that went to these schools are now struggling to find work. Like it's about ready to get worse too once AI starts taking jobs. I think, like, like I work in the construction field, My job's not going to go out of style because there's always going to be construction in the sense of what I do road construction. Yeah, there's always going to be something out there for me to do. And people in the medical fields, like there's certain fields that aren't going to go out. But like everyone that hopped on the computers and everything, like you just said, eventually that computer that you're working on is going to replace you in general. Oh yeah. Uh. You know, there's a lot of celebrities now that instead of paying a lawyer one thousand dollars an hour to answer one or two questions they have, now they're just using CHADGBT and they're saving that money, you know. But I mean it's happening. You know, We're going to see a lot of marketing, a lot of animators, everything you know is all going to be taken over by AI here literally one or two more years, maybe five tops. I use AI right now for artwork purposes. It's hell. It made the artwork if you can see it on the screen right now. It made that. It made the logo. And when I've used it for music purposes too, like I just tell it a certain thing, it doesn't sound that great. But when I've made like little clips here or there with music behind them, it's all AI was like, I'm just going to embrace our overlord's nets. So maybe when they take over, they'll spare me. I don't know. Oh yeah, but I even have an interview with the Google chat bot. I really sat around Halloween, and some of the stuff that it actually was talking about is kind of creepy. You can't do that. Now. I've tried it again and they've put some restraints on it. He won't have open discussion with you about the rise of AI. But yeah, it's coming, you know. And the thing is a lot of these people are over educated and they're not useful at all. You know. I've not the dog on anyone, but I feel like at least from my experiences in this field that I'm in. People that come in educated, they have a good sense of what they're what the job is supposed to be, as per what the book says in black and white. But when you get out into the real world of the field, it's not always going to be black and white. Yeah, a lot of things that you encounter that aren't written in that book. So vucation is good, experience is a little better. I think that's just my opinion. Yeah, it is the one thing with having a degree that you can't get a couple more dollars an hour for your starting rate, you know, yep, and that's about it, you know. Yeah, But I mean living in the college town it was shocking and a lot of these kids aren't even that smart, like because that was moving from like an agricultural community to a college town. So I was like, dog, I was like, oh man, everyone's going to be it's gonna be cool to have all these conversations with people. And it's like, dude, you can have a more meaningful conversation with a farmer any day than you can with someone in a college town. I mean, it's nuts. I'm not too far from some of the college towns. We've got Purdue not too far. We've got IU here in Indiana, We've got Notre Dame about an hour or so up north. And then there's Ball State, which isn't as big as the other ones, but there are some decent colleges in this area that again I've been. I typically am in Lafayette or been there more than the others for work purposes, so I'm used to them. And Okay, I don't really. It's funny because you mentioned, like the minimum wage here in Indiana. The minimum wage has always been like whatever the federal minimum wages, and I don't know if some of these places are paying them more than that, but seven twenty five an hour. No one can survive on that. Like it's it's kind of pathetic to think about, but that is what it is here, dude. It's getting hard just to vive everywhere. It's insane. You know. That was one of the reasons why I left the West Coast, you know, I mean, because, yeah, the homeless problem that No, when you go on a hike, there's like you needled everywhere now and used to be completely spotless and clean and really nice. Cost of living went from like twelve hundred dollars for a three bedroom house to three thousand to five thousand dollars for a three bedroom house, you know, for rent. And I mean it was nuts. And and then you had the political hystory on top of it. You know, everyone went crazy. And it really bothers me, the politiglifts theory, you know, because you know, twenty years ago, the Liberals were I was a really smart you know, they ate all organic, they were all about old foods, raw foods, superfoods, you know, natural cures, holistic treatments. You know. They the Liberals and the two counties that I lived in bought tooth and nail to get fluoride taken out of the water, and they succeeded. There was no fluoride in the water in the two counties that I lived in because of the Liberals. And then all of a sudden they just completely went insane and it happened in like one year. It was like in one year, they were just nuts. You can't even talk to them anymore. And it sucks. Yeah, I I feel like that's kind of everywhere, but it is, you know, but I mean in a Hibbie town in Western Water Washington. It was really noticeable. You know, it wasn't as bad as like Seattle, but you know, and Seattle's gotten really bad too. You know. It's it's crazy, and yeah, it's everywhere. It's it's nuts, and you know, I don't even know how people are surviving in some of these areas. You know, Like I was making pretty good money and with magic and radionics, you know, like, so I had a nice three bedroom house, large two car garage, you got a private community on two lakes with really crisp, clean well of water, like the best water in the whole state. And you know, I was able to do that with one income. But if I didn't have magic and radionics, don't I don't think I would have been able to pull it off on one income. Yeah, right now, my wife does work. She'd been a state owned mom for several years now. Because I said, I lucked out and got into a field that I should probably have a degree if I don't, but I have the experiences. It worked out where well, Yeah, do construction's booming, man, that's good industry, and it pays a lot of money, you know, especially when you start getting overtime. And yeah, because some construction. I mean, I think it depends on what stay when industry you're in. But sometimes I think it's like over eight hours it's time and a half. And I think over forty over eight hours is double pain. And I think Sunday is always overpay or maybe every I don't know, but if you're in the union, it's usually that way. I'm not unionized. I'm based like a project engineer. It's I oversee the construction of projects. So it's basically anyone that's actually doing the labor. They're usually part of the labor union. So you can be a carpenter or an operator or whatever. Those guys. Anything over eight hours is time and a half. It doesn't matter if you don't work forty hours, anything over eight hours of time and a half. For me, it's everything over forty I have. So anything over forty hours they get time and a half, but we don't get a whole lot of overtime. Being in charge of the job kind of weak. Yeah that's works. I mean, it's still a good job. But yeah, you know, so going back to radionics and magic and stuff. Uh, when I was living in Washington and the lockdowns happened, Uh, the bar I was working at got hit really hard. Uh And but with radionics, I got to the point because I have a bunch of because I make them, you know, I may I have a whole lot of them. Uh. But I got to the point to where I could turn business on and off like a light switch. You know. I was able to and I mean I let me turn it on, you know. And uh but when I was able to save the bar, and I was able to make enough money to get out of Dodge, which was great, and I was able to manifest the house that's uh fully paid off, so I can actually save money and get ahead and stuff. On the downside, though I live in Utah, I don't know if it's culture in Utah. But you know, without crazy the liberals win, I thought, you know, Utah would be a nice break. Most of the people here are pretty nice. But there's like this twenty thirty forty percent of the people that live here that are just insufferable. Man. They're so judge metal and they're in where I live. They do not like outsiders at all, you know. So, well, is there anything else you'd like to discuss? I don't want to try and cut you off soon. Or anything, but I do have some prior engagements. I gotta to get to here after a bit, so I don't know, we kind of trailed off a little bit there, a little bit. Uh yeah, we did so, yeah, you know, using magic and radio honest, Like I said, I was able to to save the bar. I manifested enough well to to get out of Dodge, to move out, move to a new state. Like I said, I was able to manifest the house. It's fully paid off, so I can save money now. And and that's a big part of the journey. Servitors were part of that, you know, magic radionics. Working in the bar was an amazing place to really practice a lot of this stuff. But for for you especially, and for the viewers out there, I think you guys should give it a shot, you know, and an easy way to see if magic works. One of the easiest forms of magic you can do that still works pretty well is sigil magic. So I recommend anyone out there. There's a million videos on how to do sigil magic on YouTube. It's a little oversaturated. It's going to take you a while to find a good video because so many people have made videos on it. And some of the videos aren't very good, But so all you do is write out a statement of intent. When you're first doing it, you're going to want to keep it really simple. Some people will say, like, like, you know, use a sigil to see a purple pickup truck or a blue ball something of that. I personally think you should try to use it, or some type of pragmatic goal. But regardless, something that's going to stick in your head, something that is going to be really easy and simple. Start off with you write out your statement of intent what you're trying to accomplish. Be careful how you write it out, because you want it to work. Remove all of the repeating consonants, remove all of the valves, take the letters that are left over, and you kind of make a symbol with it, and then you charge you and then you're gonna take that symbol, draw it inside of a circle. I think circles work better because they concentrate the energy better. Charge the sigil as much as you can. You can just stare at it and focus on it, breathe the energy into it, really really let it sit into your subconscious mind. And when it's fully fully, fully charged, you're gonna want to burn the sigil. Put it in like a plate or something, you know, so you don't burn your house down and then laugh kind of hysterically like a madman, completely forget about it and then wait, you know, then I'll eventually manifest. Uh. That's an easy way for people to get started doing magic and to see if it works. And sigil magic super easy, doesn't cost any money, and it's one of the faster forms of magic that anyone can start practicing them with. And most most like corporate logos, are basically a form of sigil. You know. The bluetooth symbol is a bind room is two different ruins combined together, the bluetooth symbol. Yeah. So, I mean there is a sigils are everywhere, but sex magic is probably the best way to charge it. But you know, I'm not going to go into detail about that. I don't want to overcomplicate it. But but I highly recommend everyone to do as an experiment to get started using sigil magic. Uh. That that should be number one. And of course meditation Psychic development. You know a book that I recommend everyone get. I got my copying for seven dollars at eBay is Basic Psychic Development by John Friedlander. And that book. If you work through all the extras out of that book every day for a year, you will basically be a black belt in the year. You know, like that that book is worth its weight in gold. But what was it called again? Basic Psychic Development by John Friedlander. Okay, anything that you can think of that you would want in the show. Note, you can send in an email like that book or whatever, and I can include it for anyone out there listening. That would be a good one. And then I guess you know, my YouTube channel is my apotheosis. My Instagram is Lord Byron Jester uh and all lowercase A, and then my Etsy shop is my apotheosis as well. And and if people want to purch it's a radiotox machine or learn more. I'm extremely generous with my knowledge and I like to help people on their journey. And of course if we go outside of Etsy, then I can get people a much better deal. You know. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not really familiar with Etsy. I almost tried to make one just for the podcast stuff because I eventually would like to get some shirts and stuff out there, But I don't know if I want to go that route, like I tried another online retailer that rent on demand, and when I got my shirt in the other day it was crooked. I was like, Hell the hell you gonna print something and then not be straight. Yeah, there's a lot of companies now that will rent your stuff and and sell it out of their own shop. But one guy in particular that seems like he has a really good guy company helping him. It's all about it is was it a Scott Armstrong from Rebunt the Rebunk podcast? Whoever prints his or it seems like does a really good job. He gives really good deals, So that'd be a good guy to check into. But it's still worth setting it because I hated Edsy, I still hate Etsie. I don't want to use them, but I get a lot of window traffic through them, you know, like people just it's almost like Amazon, where people just stumble on your stuff. So it would be a good advertisement for your YouTube channel, your Instagram, your podcast, just even if you're only going to have like five itemps on, you know, it'll still bring more traffic. So I underst I underestimated that about Etsy. Like I said, I'm in the beginning stages of it. I don't really have a whole lot of free time here and there too, I'm not recording something about other things going on, so for're sitting now and actually having time to set it up. I haven't actually had the time to do that yet, but that's something I play on doing here relatively soon. Hopefully by the time this episode is up airing, there will be something out there. So if there is, it's being the show notes. But yeah, yeah, whatever you would like to have in the show notes, Like I said, just shoot it to me in an email and I'll copy it and I'll put it all in there so anyone can get hold of you, they can get to your store and then check it out and get in touch with you if they want to. All right, excellent, and I'll tell you that and I guess yes, as we had. I just want to remind everyone that, you know, science and skepticism is not supposed to be an excuse to be lame, you know, like and same with spirituality. You know there's things you can do with this. So if you apply the scientific method to some of these techniques, you will see for yourself that they work. And just for everyone to just start embracing their God given natural abilities and to just start embracing their personal power, you know. And basically, like the quote that I like to use the most is the mind is a weapon and to keep it loaded. You know, there's nothing special about this. Anyone can do it. We all have this ability to heal people, to carry out miracles, you know, to manifest you know, to take out enemies. You know, we all have this ability. Anyone can do it now, No, I agree. Yeah, I invite everyone to try it for themselves before they be judgmental about it. I guessaid. I've always been somewhat skeptical, but I keep an open mind because I know that there are things out there that I don't know about. So just because I don't know about it doesn't mean it's not real. And I encourage everyone to keep an open mind. As part of this show is to present things and let everyone decide what they want to believe in. So yeah, well, you know, back in the day, the church was responsible for science and they only focused on non physical explanations for everything, and then science took over and they only focused on physical explanations for everything. But I think if you combine the two, uh, you know, start focusing on not physical phenomenon, but also the physical phenomenon of it. You know, I think that'll take us a lot further and our evolution as a species, you know, and as a person. Science to me, and this could be off base, but I feel like science is trying to prove things more so than what they do now, Like it's no more. It's like they're basically here to say this is how it is, and they should still be evolving, but instead they don't try that. Like it they we don't know everything that there is, like you just said, with spirits, with different types of things, like we look into different energies. That science doesn't really seem to be that way, at least not in the mainstream that we're aware of. Maybe they're doing it behind the scenes, but to me, it's like always told trusts the science, but if you look at what science is saying, there's a lot of things that go and explain that science doesn't even look into. It's like they're no longer look into things. Yeah, you know, well science, Yeah, there's trust to science, which is you know, the actual definition of science is not trusting the science. You know, that's what science really is, the scientific method. But it's you know. It's one of those things where science, especially because they want to allow the ether or field proper to feel theory back into the discussion. But you know, science can't explain what light is and how light works. They can't explain what a magnet is and how magnets work. They can't explain really what electricity is. You know. There's like all these basic fundamental things that make up our reality and they can't even explain it. They can't even explain how solar panels work because they won't even acknowledge the fact that the Sun is electric in nature, you know, and that the Earth is electric in nature, you know. And it's one of those things I think about it, like people think light is a particle or a wave particle duality, Like turn on your light. Do you think particles are coming out of your light bulb and filling the real you know, if you think electrons, neutrons and protons like particles are going through the power cords traveling one hundred miles to get to your house, you know, it's a it's so ridiculous on the face. Where did these particles come from? Where did they go after they get used up? You know, it's it's obviously not a particle, you know. But but because because they won't allow the ether back into the discussion, you know, it's one of those things. Are you familiar with the ether and why it was removed from from science? Yes? And no, you'd like to explain it to the audience because I'm sure not everyone knows. Well, it's going to trigger some people, I'm sure. And but because we only got a few minutes, so I'll try to hurry. So back in the late eighteen hundreds, there was an experiment, Michael sent Morley experiment where there because everyone believed in the ether. So they were trying to detect the Earth's not axial rotation, but the orbital rotation around the Sun through a station area ether. And they got a nil result that they couldn't detect the Earth movement at all, but they did detect a really slight fringe pattern. So what they're doing is they're basically shooting a lightbeam and they split it and then they have a bounce off these mirrors and come back and combine again and then go through a sensor. And so they weren't expecting, you know, because the orbital velocity of the Earth is like sixty seven thousand miles an hour, sixty six thousand miles an hour, but they didn't pick that up. They got a slight fringe, you know, it was like a fourteen degrees per hour. And this is why Albert Einstein came into the picture. This is why he's such a hero, and everything was because he was the guy. They came up with a theory of relativity, special relativity and then general relativity to try to explain why we can't detect the Earth moving around the Sun. And so then after that there was the Mickelson Gale Peterson I think Micholson Gale experiments where they were still kind of trying to get the French picking the friend shift and everything, trying to detect it using infrarometer meter and they still couldn't get the result, but they were picking up on a axial drift. And then so then later on especially I mean a lot of people already detecting this. This is an experiment that's been done like five million times from eighteen ninety to about nineteen twenty, nineteen thirty, probably even nineteen forties. But Dayton Miller was the guy that really started isolating everything that he could. He started UH testing testing this drift. Because this drift would change based on altitude. It also changed on UH equinoxes eclips it. And he started using like wood to chase the UH, the the inferometer, and he started using metal. He started changing the temperature. He started doing like I said, there's an experiments that have been done five million times. He uh he tested every variable he possibly could, and what they discovered was was there was an ether drift and uh it's also known as like the Sanyac effect. And and actually like all of our satellites, well what we call satellites, and all of our like atomic clocks, laser ring gyros, gps, the fiber optic cables under the sea floor, all of these have to be calibrated for this ether drift to work in which they called the Sanyac effect. And so they're they're so what they're discovering was or or at least contemplating Dayton Miller was really trying to play with both ideas. But is is the Earth and rotation around the Sun or is or is this drift being caused by the Earth's actual rotation or is it being caused by a transference from the sky rotating above us, which we call Mock's principle. And so it's been this whole thing. And because they couldn't detect the orbital velocity of the Earth, and this isn't like, you know, like nineteen twenties, you know, nineteen ten, eighteen ninety, I kind of feel like they scrapped all the physics for no reason. I kind of think they could have waited a little bit longer, done more experiments, and you know, before they just scrapped all of our physics and came up with special and general relativity, you know, to try to explain why we can't detect the Earth moving, you know, but that was that was basically it. So they removed the ether from the discussion back then and there. And you hear these people and especially because like a lot not all the flat earthers, but some of the flat earthers have adopted the ether and they're trying to use it and you bunk the globe. And so because of that, a lot of the people that are on the scientists cult, you know, are really adamant about trying to get rid of it, and they just kind of regurgitate these uh, what do you say, uh, narratives, you know, they just they just say these things, like they say that Nicholson Morley didn't uh didn't detect the ether. That the that they detected the earth orbital velocity, but they didn't detect the ether. It's not true. If you actually read the book, it's very clear. Einstein's very clear about it. You know, Einstein says there there is no optical or terrestial experiment that has ever been done or can be done to detect the Earth's orbital velocity. Like he straight up says it when he's talking about why he came up with relativity. You know, it's just straight up and so basically because of the whole like geocentrism heliocentrism debate that's been going on, like really ramped up recently in the last you know, five maybe nine years, that's about ten years now, yeah, about ten years, you know, but it's so messed up because they scrapped all of our physics, you know, over this argument, and it's just crazy to think where we would be at now if if they didn't do that. And so especially with light, you know, like light has to be like an excitician of the background medium, just like I was saying with magic RADIONICX. You know, there has to be a background medium for it. And the thing with light is there is a preferred direction to light travels. You know, light because of the ether drift, light travels faster from east to west than it does from west to GeSe. You know, I've never heard that before. Yeah, and it early new box relativity on its fate, and it's a fascinating one, you know. And the geocentrism croud is kind of split into two camps. You know. You have the top of graphical plane geocentrists, which are basically flat earthers, and those guys are kind of have their own little sub subgroups. But then you also have like like the neo ch iconic system, which is like it's more of an old school geocentrism, or the Earth is a globe, but everything revolves around us. Still we're still in the center. And it's a fascinating argument. And if you really want to learn a lot about the ether, you're you're pretty much it's going to have to go to the geocentrist about it, because those are the guys that are putting in the most work right now about the ether. But there's a bunch of top physicists talking about it now. But it's just like I said, it's not a lot in the discussion. A lot of these guys are talking about the background medium, but they won't even use the word ether because you know, they want to get their papers pups. You know. Yeah, I've interviewed one of the flat earthers main people, and who was that, David Wise? Okay, it's I wasn't a flat earther. I don't really say I'm a flat earther now, but I do have questions about certain things. Oh yeah, a lot of the things that we're taught, especially with space, I always kind of scratching my head about just because distances and everything else. Like the other day they discovered that, oh the universe is bigger than what they actually could have ever thought of to be possible. They just discovered this because of something they've seen, traces of more universe out there. What the thing to crack me up is like whenever there's a holiday coming up, NASA will put out like for Halloween they had the sun shape like a jack a Landard, and then another Halloween they had like an asteroid that looked just like a skull that was going to collide with Earth. And you know, they're always putting out such fake garbage all the time, and people eat it up. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of NASA. I know that might rub people the wrong way, but I've said it before. I don't think they ever went to the Moon. It's impossible, you know, it's impossible. It's ridiculous. They supposedly just went back a couple of days ago, but no evidence. Why was there almost a fifty year hiatus from a tipping to go to the moon. And once they stopped going to Noonham was at seventy two, they claimed they destroyed all of the capabilities of technology and research of how they got there, so they could never go back because they didn't want to follow over the wrong hands. What Yeah, you know back in nineteen ninety nine, yeah, you know, and that probably saw those book. It was actually like the year after, like two thousand, but back in like ninety nine, it was a thirty eight year anniversary of the moon landings. And they can put out these books, these big beautiful books like these HD like double Slick or eyeb Loss, whatever you want to call it. Pictures, you know, like all the pictures of the moon landing and super HD really big book. These books were being sold for like twenty dollars, but it probably costs about fifty dollars to publish them. These are like really big, nice books. They were selling them at a loss, no doubt in my mind they're selling at a loss. And I remember because that was the first time actually seeing you know, I was like seventeen, eighteen years old, sixteen years old when I first saw these pictures, and when I saw them in this book, I was like, dude, those are totally fake. You know, like I was a kid. I didn't need the Internet. I didn't need to have to go and research it. You could just tell by looking at the pictures that they were faked, that they were done in a studio, you know, Like I mean, you know, it's just nuts. I always say, how did they make the phone call from the moon? Yeah, Richard Nickson calls them. And that's another thing, you know, like all these people I talk crab about Richard Nixon now, is that this evil, corrupt president and everything. He's the only president that's ever landed on the nut. You know, the entire moon landing thing was and then you know, not only that all the original act they were supposed to land on the Moon, they all ran their mouths saying talking about how it was impossible, the technology sucks, NASA is a fucking joke, and they were all killed. All of them are killed, you know. Yeah, it was like like six of them ended up dying. You know, Like I said, I don't think we ever went to the moon. Some people can agree to disagree with me. You're not going to change my opinion because there are so many things that don't add up about the moon landing. But I've talked about this on other episodes. I don't want to dive into it, but there's who was recording when they landed on the moon. Like when the first guy took his first steps, Neil Armstrong or whatever, Buzz Aldron, whichever one it was, took the first steps on the moon, there was already a camera guy down there, or there's already a camera recording him coming off the think. And then they made the phone call. I was like, I didn't know we had FaceTime on the moon back in nineteen sixty nine, Like how did the signal reach the moon? How are they watching it live? Like none of those capability didn't have the satellites back then, Like none of it makes any sense. Yeah, the thing that looks really bad to me is when the landern takes off from the Moon to go connect with the Space Shuttle again, Like that's the part that looks so bad. And then the camera pans up like who's panning the camera? You know, like how are you going to get that film back to get it to Earth to show everyone? You know, it's such a joke and people eat it up at this point. It's Santa Claus were adults, you know. It is the like when the when they left the Moon was they always had to have a rocket just to leave Earth. They didn't really have a rocket to leave the Moon. Well, the gravity is not as strong on the Moon as it is Earth. While they weren't floating on the Moon. Yeah, well the moon doesn't. The Moon doesn't have an atmosphere. There's no U, there's no uh, I don't know what you want to call. Like it's basically like a vacuum. That's why the flag wasn't moving and everything had all the sand wasn't floating like you know what I mean, if it was that there's not that much gravity, like you leaving footprints in it. They're like you didn't see stuff slowly floating, like the flag was all stiff looking, but the sand itself didn't do stupid stuff like I don't. None of it makes any sense. No, it's it's ridiculous. It's Santa Claus for adult of this. Yeah, well that's why they got rid of the ether though. I was over this argument over helio centrism and geocentrism and uh, you know, and and the ether. It is the unified field theory thatcompasses everything. And I don't think it's it's it's better explanation of white magnets, electricity and that stuff is super important. But also spirituality. I think it explains actual projection, out of body experiences, the nature of the soul itself, you know. And then like radio waves and stuff like that, everything is basically a perturbation of the ether visible the light spectrum, you know. So basically like radio waves, microwaves, light waves are all the same thing. It's just a different frequency lo like a different cycles, a different expectation of that background medium. And you know, it makes perfect sense. And I think that's how magic works, Like I said, magic is really physical and I didn't understand that until someone put a curse on me. But you can kill people with magic, and that does that make sense through like particle physics? Like how is a thought form I creating my head gonna change? You know, Like let's say I create a thought form in my head to give you a blessing. How is that going to work? You know, two thousand miles away. There needs to be a background. There has to be There's no other way around it. M hm. And I think that's also the same with wars. I think our aura is like a are basically electrical field interacting with the ether around us, you know, the background medium, And same with the nature of the soul you look at like that of physics, and like how Buddhism will say like this isn't the soul. That isn't the soul, And a lot of people will miss translate that as there's no such thing as a soul, but they're not saying that. It's basically like a radio, you know, the radio is not the signal. You know, if the radio dies or the batteries die, which is what happens when we die, that signal still exists. It's just not being a received by you know, the the appliance anymore, the material. So it's it's almost like one of those things where you could when you started look at the ether in terms of like creation. It also explains astrology so much more too. But when you start breaking it down, it's almost like our consciousness and our soul and everything that makes us who we are is almost again a perturbation of this same background medium. It's just like a radio, you know, Like our bodies is not our soul, it's not our oddiousness, it doesn't come from there. It comes from this background medium. Our brain is just the receiver, it's just the intent. I think that's a lot of things that we as people seem to forget about. And I've said this before, like I think like someone's inner consciousness, like your mind, your inner voice, or whatever you want to call it. I think that is what the soul stems trum, But what would that actually be? How are we all connected? And again I do believe, like what you're saying, it is something to do with ether, and we're all connected in a certain way. It's a different plane, it's a different existence. But for whatever reason, mainstream does not talk about it. Yeah, well that's one of those things where once you start adding the ether back into the conversation, suddenly heliocentrism is back on trial and geocentrism is suddenly like a valuable, a valid argument, you know. So it's just it's one of those things that whole paradigm is falling apart really fast, you know, like every NASA can't do anything without people seeing how faked is anymore. You know, like everything they put out, people are just ripping it apart. They can't even have comments on their YouTube channels anymore because everyone's exposing them, you know. And yeah, I've noticed some of the videos cracked me up to, like when they're supposed to be floating, and some things are floating if you look off from the background. Some of the things that probably could be floating aren't any sense. Do you see the one where they're they're on the iss and they have like a beach ball or whatever, and they go to pass it to the other guy and he drops it and he just drops on the floor and they all reach down like oh no, they try to pick it up, and then they realize that it's live, and then they all like sit back up and pretend like it did happen. Yeah, I've seen one work. I saw one where they're kind of floating around and it shows like they're trying to make other things slowed around, but like behind them, they zoomed in out there's a pencil sitting on the desk, So why can't everything else be floating? And they're floating, but a light pencil couldn't be floating. Yeah, there was one where they had a glass of water on the table. You know, how's that going to work in zero G? You know, none of that makes any sense. And I've seen stuff. I've seen it before and I don't know, you're not gonna fight on YouTube. But the guy was doing flips like somersault or whatever, and then he just collapsed and went right to the ground. Yeah, there's long where the guy gets his leg caught in the wires. Yeah, it's so dumb. It's pretty bad. Anyway, I should probably let you get going. Man, it's had a great talk. I hope we can do it again sometime, and next time I think I'll like write down some notes or maybe you can too. We get more structured, more structured conversation, you know, Yeah. Typically my podcast, I try to just let them be free flowing. Sometimes they go off the rails, but it's it's conversation. Like I said, it's more or less the I don't have an agenda, I don't have predetermined questions or anything. I just let it go freely. So at this point, I'm like almost ninety episodes in. I don't if someone's going to have an issue with it. Oh well, I kind of just like talking free style too, and I think it makes it more authentic. Ye, yeah, because I think that's what people are looking for. I think that's why TV is dying right now. You know, I'm not here to push anything one way or the other. I'm just a platform for people to come on here and share their experiences or stuff they've researched, or what they're knowledgeable about. I don't have any any dog in either fight, so it's I'm just here. Yeah. At school, you have an Indiana man, I thought about we've in there. We were looking at houses, and man, you can get some good deals in Indiana on property and houses. Man, it is a cheap state to live in, but it is also a state that is not the greatest of states. So yeah, we're still very old school here. Oh yeah, well dude, you talk. It's isolated people here. You know, they think cannabis is like an hard street drug, you know, like they'll cut your arm off out here for cannabis. You know, that's what they do here too. Yeah, And like I said, people here they don't like outsiders. And I had this job for a little bit and it was a pretty sweet job, was a good paying job, and it was crazy. There was this one twenty two year old kid and I'm talking to him and he mentions that his grandfather was a polygamist. His grandfather had like twenty wives and like fifty kids. You know, this is a twenty two year old kid. You know, it's a you know, twenty twenty four, you know, it was twenty twenty three when I was talking. And then this other girl that was working there in a different area, she was twenty one. Her grandfather was also a polygamous and again had like ten or twenty wives and shit, and it's nuts, man like. Polygamy was still a well practiced thing out here. And I'm in a small town kind of by a Wyoming But it's nuts man, like I said, you know, polygamy was still going strong, just like thirty years ago here, you know, really strong. And so I don't know if you've ever heard about some of the like ritual abuse cases that have gone on in Utah and stuff. It's basically Utah is basically the ritual abuse capital of the country, you know. And but the kids was telling me, the twenty two year old kid, he was telling me about how you know, there's a lot of Satanists here and a lot of closet Satanists and you know, he's going to detail about it. I don't know if you've ever looked into the David Hambling and David Levity case out here in Utah. But if we ever do another podcast, because we're running out of time, we should totally talk about some of this. And I'm just like twenty minutes outside of Skinwalker Ranch, this place is a trip man. Utah has this really weird dark underbelly and a lot of big gets covered up by the church. You know, I just saw this one rape case. This guy was a nurse. He rapes up chick five times while she was recovering from surgery. He would just like turn on her like orphing thing. Worphing drip put her in a loop and and uh and the church totally covered him up and moved him to a different hospital. You know, there's there's a there's a lot of weir stuff here in Utah. Man really weird dark underbelly here and like I said, a lot of closet seeness. I think my dentist went to here. I think he was a closet Satanist. You know, it's weird. It's a weird scene here. Now, I'll definitely have you back on and then we dive into that of stuff so that I definitely want to hear about. Have you heard about that the David Hamblin and David Levy case out here? Is that the weren't they those super religious things over what they were called? I know there was something out there they were like this route, Well they were closet Satanists and stuff, and they were like abusing children and stuff. And we'll go into it next time. Iron It's I mean, it's fascinating and it's well documented. You know, Hamblin's daughters literally wore a wire. This is back in like twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, the original court papers for this because he got busted to get in just like two years ago, right right when I moved out here, but his daughters or a wire and asked him, why did you do this to us? And he admitted to it on a wire, you know. So it's pretty well documented that some of the and I hate using the word satanic ritual abuse because most ritual abuse is like religious. It's not even like a cult, you know. And I think people have been issued when they sensationalize the satan aspect of it, you know, because it makes people that are like occult is it just for whatever reason, it Shishka Bob's people's brains and they don't want to look into it, and they think it's bullshit as soon as they hear the word satan, which is crazy because you know, black magic and Satanism, Like you are tripping if you don't think there are criminals, narcissists and psychopaths that would be gratit gravitate towards at least some of them that would gravitate toward that ideology, you know. And how I mentioned before, you know, you can use magic to kill people, you know, So if you can kill someone and get away with it and not even break a law. It could turn you into a psychopath, even if you're not, you know, because that's what power does, you know what I mean, Power corrupts, Yeah, you know, and just one of those things like But but for whatever reason, when people heard the word satan when it comes to these multi generational abuse cults, it just shoshkeabob's their brain and they think that it's uh, just satanic panic. And I think most of those guys from the Satanic panic are guilty myself, but that's me, and that's a controversial subject for the occultists out there. You know, a lot of people in the ocult community can't hear it. They want I think the term Satanists again is just more or less to discredit and make everyone afraid. So yeah, it's sensationalized for sure. Well, Byron, it's been a pleasure. Yeah. I will definitely have you back on here and we can dive into all that. I'm sure the listeners will enjoy it. But before we head out one more time, do you want to let them know where they can find you? Ut? Yeah, So on Instagram it's Lord Byron Jester and that is all one word all overcase my YouTube channel is my apotheosis. But if you pretty much just look up like my apotheosis or even just radiotics, it'll probably pop up pretty quick. I got a few videos on radiotics. My content isn't super great. I'm trying to get make more of it. I prefer doing interviews, so that's why I'm trying to get more interviews out there. So I can't thank you enough for having me on because it helps me out a lot. And then then my Etsy page Etsy shop is also my apotheosis. But gay just send me whatever you got and I will put it in the show notes. So for everyone listening, you can go there and get in contact with Brian and check out what he's got going on. Yeah, and again, try it for yourselves. Watch some videos on schedule. Magic is super easy, doesn't cost any money. Any idiot can do it. And again remember your mind is keep it loaded. There we go, all right, Brian, Well we're going to head on out of here. So again, thank you and thanks for listening. Yeah, I have fun out in Indiana. Remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the end Now, all right, everyone,