Ep. 84: Phantom Paranormal

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon right By's episode. We're gonna be joined by my guest Tina and Alex. They are from Phantom Paranormal out of Wisconsin. It reached out to me a while ago to come on here and share some of their experiences before we bring them on. 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To sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time and welcome my guest tonight, Tina and Alex. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. No problem, nice to be here. You guys are from Illinois, I believe Wisconsin. Oh it's just a little bit north. I knew it wasn't too terribly far. I'm from Indiana, so oh you're not either. I knew you were just on the other side of the time zone because you guys are on Central Time and I'm on Eastern Time. But if you go a couple of counties up there on Central Time, it's weird. I usually work in Central Time. Yeah, it's a very confusing state right there in some spots. Yeah, when you get up towards a northwestern part of Indiana, it goes into Central Time. But the rest of the state, unless you're like down south, I think, is all Eastern Time. Oh yeah, yeah. Time zones are fun to deal with sometimes, especially when you're based out of a different one from where you actually live. Am I where am I? Yeah? Times going to get two hours early for work? Yeah, my job sites are usually in central time zones. So I have a meeting next week and they're like, you meet at eleven or a one thirty. I was like, yeah, it's two thirty my time, but sure, why not? Well, you got a friend over there, And at the end of that when he calls me up, he's like, what time is it there? Good behind you? Yeah, Well, a little bit of about your guys selves. Well, we're fandom paranormal. We're two percent teams. Uh. I'm the we investigator, the founder of it. I'm also a medium and a paranormal investigator, obviously. I realized I was a medium when I was about four or five years old, somewhere around there, and I would talk to my great grandfather in a mirror. At first, I would just feel him around. Then i'd see him, and then I could talk to him. And I can hear, see and feel spirits around me. I grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I moved to Delavan, Wisconsin in nineteen ninety eight. My family has a lot of people that are very intuitive. We don't really talk about it much in the family, but I decided to start this fantom paranormal and just go with it. After my mom passed away. She thought it would be a good idea for me to do it, so I just ran with it when she passed away. Basically, I just feel what's around me, investigate, and do what I got to do to get the job done. Yeah. My name is Alex Droner. I grew up in Delvan, Wisconsin. I just basically the house I grew up in was had other people living there that weren't people, so we'd hear things. My mother saw somebody standing in the hallway once, my grandmother saw somebody staying in the hallway. And I've just always been drawn to that kind of thing, never been afraid of it. And one day I was reading on Facebook, you don't want to come out and do it, come and investigate a Muslim, and I was like, heck, yeah, So we did. This is how it started. We've investigated, you know, and places since then. Sky's the limit. We'll see what happens. We're trying to get proof. Yeah, basically we did the Madolum and after that I just decided to ask him to be on my team and pretty much let everybody else go and now it's just me an Alyx and he became my business partner. Last man's standing. No, Sometimes if you're brave enough to go into the rooms, you know, Yeah, if you're brave enough to go in there when I tell you too, and to stay in there, then it's all good. Has there been anything like how to try and word it properly, but like anything that really stood out on some of the investigations that really made you afraid or question what was going on? This thing we got me a little nervous is one of the investigations. Tina looked at me and said we have to get going, and the reason was was because she had started to overcome with the urge to want to hurt me. It's our job is fun sometimes. I remember that vividly. So we were in Indiana and we were asked to do an apartment and we're able to go into the basement. When we walked into the basement, there's a certain area that was calling to me. So we went in there and there just happened to be a horseshoe hanging on the wall on like a beam. So Alex first picked it up. He's like, I don't feel anything. I was like, let me see the horse shoe. I held it in my hand, and something just drew me to it and I started spinning it in my hand, looking at it. Finally we stopped messing with the horseshoe, and I just felt kind of weird, and then all of a sudden, I just wanted to bash Alex's face in with the horseshoe. It's like, we need to get out of here right now, because I know when you feel that way, angry like that, and when I hurt somebody, you're being overcome by something and the best way to get out of that situation is to go outside, out of the place that you're in. Yeah, I've heard something similar to I've actually I don't take too much stock in the stuff you see on TV, but it seems like when you watch these shows or whatever and they get overwhelmed with like these negative spirits or energies or whatever, and they get that way, they always end up feeling better when they leave the area. Yeah, because it really just clears you. It doesn't cleanse you, but it really just it helps. It really does. It really helps. I've never been in a situation where I felt anything like that. I'm not much of an invest to Gator. I went on a couple of different things with a group or two, but I've mentioned it before on other episodes. Everything that was paranormal, paranormal, paranormal, and I look at things more skeptically before I say anything's weird or paranormal or supernatural. And I just don't think you're going to go somewhere and constantly be overwhelmed by ghost or spirits or something like that, like everything to them was a ghost and I was like, I just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. And I've never went back on on like investigations or anything because kind of a chicken when it comes to I don't want to bring stuff home with me that I didn't intend to have with me. It's always really really good to cleanse yourself after you do an investigation, because that way, you don't bring anything home with you. So we deal with enough weird stuff around the house these days. I don't want to be trying to bring anything else in here either. That's probably a good idea too. I hear that. I totally understand. But no, there's anything you guys want to share dive into. It's totally up to you, guys. Where do you want to go with it? Just uh, maybe that we can talk about that last place went to heard the Indian. Oh, yeah, that was a good one. Do you want to start with that one or should I well that one? Okay? We decided to go to an area. What was the area again? It was just down the road from where we live. It's it's indelevant, just outside of town. The stories of you know, a certain amount of people dying there could quite hear a certain an exact number, but it was more than like two or three. And we just kind of went there one day and decided we wanted to check it out. And as soon as we got out there, we started walking around and Tina felt the spirits right away. Yeah, I felt like right away. I was like, it's getting colder for one around me. And then I could fill him instantly right when I got out of the car, and I could feel them looking at me. It was so weird, and I was like, they're just sitting there watching us. And then all of a sudden, I told Alex, I was like, there's one right here. So he grabbed the EMF reader and put it next to me, and it showed him that there was something next to me, and then he moved it away and it went away. He moved it back and it showed that there was something next to me, and then he walked away from me, and I was walking around in a different area, and then I decided to walk towards him, and we're standing together and we're just standing there and yeah, then all of a sudden, we're sitting there and off of the distance, I heard what sounded like Indian drugs, and I asked him, I was like, did you hear that? Because I seriously thought I was, because sometimes I'm like I always ask that, I'm like, did you hear that? Oh, there are certain things that I don't hear that she does because she's more in tune with everything than I am. But and then we heard him again and we got started walking. We kept walking towards and then all of a sudden, she had this strong pool to walk away from there, and so we started heading back towards the car. And then when we got closer to the car, she started speaking with one of the spirit that was there, and then I have no it just looked like somebody having a conversation. It was really interesting to see. And then she was talking with this guy that what do he look like again? He us like the nineteen fifties, nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties area, Well button up sir, Yeah, a little button up shirt, like one of those funky hats they used to wear with like the suspender thing. Picture. Yeah, Yeah, it was really weird. He came up to me and he was talking to me about how you don't want anyone to hurt him. He just wanted to talk and he wanted to have us come back on a full moon, which I found kind of weird, but that's usually when the spirits are the strongest. Yeah, this was a very interesting evening for that one. Yead, we so have you had to get back over there. We're gonna be back over there soon, hopefully. How long ago was this about a month give or take me, maybe a month ago, so relatively recently. Yeah, that was the one we just did. Now you said the full moon. I've heard that before. You want to explain why the full moon makes spirits more active? Do you have any ideas why? It's basically, when the spiritual world is the strongest, everything is a line and the moon charges stuff like crystals and stuff like that. So you got to realize when you're dealing with the spiritual world, there's all kinds of reasons why the full moon could affect that. And of course the dogs in the neighborhood. Sorry about that. No, you're all right. I don't hear anything. I use zoom and for the most part it kind of filters out background noise with the settings I have on, so it's all good. Okay, cool, very cool, yeah, that's just Oh that's what it usually seems like. That's they have the most power, and that's when well, you can also see the most when you're out there, when you're investigating the dark and everything too. So that helps, yeah, so full, it helps out us too, So not just the upded you see a little bit better with an extra light out there. I guess is that more worried about hurting myself and run these investigations, like tripping over something I don't notice head pipe in the basement that I'm working hear upstairs. People don't realize when you're using knife vision cameras, you can't really see that far away. You're looking down and you can see your feet you look for you can see only so far ahead of you. It's it's like walking in a tunnel. It's weird for me because I don't feel like I would be afraid of running into anything strange, like like a spirit or energy or even people say demonic stuff, so that, for whatever reason, that doesn't make me afraid. I'm more concerned with running into things that I do know exists, like big freaking bugs and spiders and stuff. Oh yeah, oh my god, I have a story about that. So when we're in Indiana, when we decided to go in the basement, we walk down to the basement and Alex and our friend Rusty decided to walk in front of me, and I'm like, okay, and they walk right past it. Right I look down and there's this big freaking cricket spider. I about jumped out of my freaking skin. I was like, what the heck is that? And they told me I about ran away like a two year old, that that is horrifying. But the next time we went there, because we went there again, I decided to crawl in a small hole. So it doesn't really make sense, but I do it anyway. Yeah, that's the other thing I wouldn't do. I'm kind of claustrophobic. I don't like being in enclosed, tight little spaces or anything like that. So that's where I tell her where I draw the line. If I feel like I'm gonna get stuck, I'm not going in it. He was like, you can go in there and I'll pull you out. I'm a big dude, I'll grab a finger out. I'm good at that. Now. For work purposes. A couple of years ago, one of the jobs that I was assigned to. The people wanted me to go down in side of this old it was a manhole for wiring and there's like lines and stuff that they ran through there, and it's like drains and stuff. And I said, I am not going in there, Like, well you need to go in there and investigates like that is not a part of my job and I am not doing it. I completely refuse to do it and I will not do it. So you know where your limits are. Like, how about we say I did but that's a not to sound like a egotistical maniac, but that's below my pay grade. Like there's somewhere else can do that, So yeah, no doubt, Like I run goes yea, Well, if somebody else do that one today, I get you out that one for sure. Yeah, I said, I'm the I run the jobs, I run the contracts everything else, Like someone else can handle it. I don't need to be the one doing it. Yeah, it'll be like that guy got hired yesterday. I have him. But like I said, that's where I draw my limits. When it comes to uh bugs and creepy spaces and stuff like that, I'm out. I'll punch a demon in the face. I don't care, but if a spider dumps on memo'll freak out, probably die. Yeah, that's why she has me with because I just like, I just like knock the spider to the ground. I don't care about them. I literally I really do like bugs, so when I see them, I freak out. I don't like running into like water heaters and stuff like that, because it's usually a hole or something next to it, and I'm always scared I'm going to go through a hole or stick my foot through a hole or something like that. And you know, it can be pretty scary sometimes, but you just got to watch what you're doing, and you've got to make sure you got your camera pointed the way you're looking, to make sure and towards the floors, you know, to make sure you know what's in front of you so you don't hurt yourself. Yeah. I feel like a lot of the old places that people go and investigate too, if they're not well maintained, you don't ever know what's going to happen. You step on the wrong floorboard, next thing you know, you're gonna be in the floor underneath of you. Exactly. That's just a quick elevator, quick elevator and trip to the hotel going down. That's the speed elevator with the broken leg at the bottom of it. Oh man, I hope that never happens. So I could carry her out, but she couldn't carry me out of it anywhere. So we're in trouble at that point. I know, I'm just a little McNugget. Is there anything else that really stands out about what you've investigated that you'd like to talk about? Oh? Yeah, there was one investigation I did a little before Alex joined me. I was doing a theater in Delevan and I was sitting on stage, just sitting there with a buddy of mine that was helped with me investigated at the time. We're just sitting there doing EVPs. We're just talking for a moment, and we heard a voice. He looked at me. I looked at him. I was like, you realize we're in this theater alone, and it's a big theater, big building, and we're the only two in there. We were locked in and we decided to play the EVP recorder right away. We were listening to it. We heard ourselves talking, we heard like metal dragging, but then all of a sudden, we hear get out of my house. I was like, oh my gosh, that stood out a lot to me because of the way the voice was. It was really demonic and cruel. But we weren't able to cleanse the theater because it's so big, and it was under construction at the time as well, so it just when we went upstairs that night, we were talking and walking through the area, and it used to be three apartments, and they knocked down walls and they made it one big area except for a couple of rooms. We went into one of the rooms and noticed there was a bunch of really old man clocks, really grandfather clocks. Yeah, grandfather clocks. We're just sitting there. And we walked out of the room. And about an hour later, maybe an hour and a half later, I was getting frustrated because all I felt was cold spots I could fill him around me. I decided to say I was like, show me that you're here. I was like, right now, I can tell you're here. Show me that you're here. All of a sudden, all the grandfather clocks go off at the same time, all of them, and it didn't just go off for like one ding, five dings, twelve dings, whatever. It went on for five minutes. They did not stop for five minutes to the exact minute I walked in there. All the clocks had different times on them. That's like that ever happens when I'm there and say that's strange. Yeah, it really was. I have it on an EUVP file on my computer, and every time I listen to it, I just it just tends tingles up my spine because it's just so weird. Yeah. I bet if there's any EVPs that you have still and you would want to include them, you can always email them to me and I can have them into the episode for anyone listening. Okay, I'll look through and see what I can send you. Yeah, I cannot interweave them here within the episode that way, and it gives the listeners an idea of some of the things you've encountered and experience and captured. Okay. I don't do a whole lot of editing. I might adjust some audio here and there, but when it comes to interweaving, I am really used to messing with recording stuff because I've always done music. That's the reason I have all my recording stuff anyways because of doing band stuff, so cutting and splicing and interweaving stuff and putting stuff in there. It literally takes me like no time. I know some people spend like hours upon hours editing. I was like, I can do all that in like ten minutes. Oh just bragging. Yeah. No, I go back and listen to my earlier episodes when I was out in my garage and the sound quality was awful just because the echoing noises and everything else. But now I've got everything kind of set up a little bit better, and I've got setting set up on Zoom and on my microphone and everything, so I have ways to make things sound better. Doing this for almost a little over a year and a half now, I've been able to get some pretty decent sound quality going on. I think really good on this where sometimes we've heard I try. That's the that's my little uh quork I guess is I want to make sure my quality sounds good and if I can sound better than the next guy, like, well, I sound better than the next guy. I guess it gives me a pat on the back. That's just my own here with us too. Yeah, it does well, not to more the audience or anything. But uh, I've spent a decent amount of money here in the last year or so just to make because I've had this microphone for a long time. The microphone itself was like five hundred dollars studio mic, but I bought that for band purposes. And I just spent one hundred and something dollars on six foot of cable just to run by microphone courts. I found the most expensive ones. They claim they're the best rate at their goldplate. It as like, oh, so, one hundred and ten dollars later, I have six feet of mic cable that I'm using. Yeah, I've got a different little thing from my microphone input and there's just little things I've been able to figure out that makes things sound a little bit better. So well that works. I remember back in the day getting the expensive like gold plated monster cables or whatever, and that's basically what these are. I think they're they're called a magami there you go, but they're they're gold plated and each cable is like sixty something dollars. I think, well, it's like with r N two that if you use the super cheap equipment, it might not pick up on something to use the better stuff. You're gonna pick up on more things and hear more things. Yeah, the cheaper the product, you basically buy what you can what you buy it. Yeah, especially with like ev P recorders, the EMF readers, because the cheaper the EMF reader is, you're not going to get the results you want. You want to go high priced, don't. Those definitely got to pick it up and yeah, yeah, because otherwise they're really not gonna show you what you want. We have a cheaper one, and then we have a really high tech one, and the cheaper one won't show what the high tech one will show. Mm hmm, I think. And I don't know much about this, But have you heard anything about radionics those type of devices or anything like that. I personally haven't radionics. Oh no, not really, I don't think. Okay, I can talk to you off air about it. Okay, Well, we use we use all kinds of different devices. We use like niggers and cameras, we use go pro, we use em F readers, EVP recorders, most in light sensors, motion uh uh, detection lights, all the fun little stuff to pick up. The bionic yeah, bionic ear, all kinds of stuff those are fun, especially when you're yeah hearing, and we also have an ovulus, which is a ghost dictionary. They can choose words out of it to communicate with you. That's really cool and you get to piece together what they're talking to you about. That's Alex's favorite one. That's a lot of fun. My favorite one would have to be the the e VP recorder or the ovulous too. That one really helps a lot. Yeah, they're there are a lot of different things I've looked online for equipment. Part of me is always wanted to go out and do it, but at the same time, it's like what I'd said earlier is I'm afraid to do it in the sense of I don't know what I'm going to be bringing back, and I'm not a very religious person. I'm not a very spiritual person or anything like that. So I'm gonna go out there and probably piss something off, and I don't know what it's going to do when I come back home, if it's gonna follow me on to torment me. It's the risk I take every investigation, sir. I'm kind of a smart ass. I just go in there all like just inviting everything in so I could feel everything, because if I don't, it'll block certain things out and I won't be able to feel all the spirits, all the energy around me. I won't be able to see everything they're trying to show me, won't be able to hear everything they're trying to say. So I really have to open myself up to the spiritual world and not be afraid of it. No, I don't, Like I said, I've experienced some weird things. We've had some weird thing is very very recently going on around here, and I don't know. I'm not gonna come out there and say it's all paranormal or anything like that, but there's been a lot of weird stuff that's happened, and it's I don't want to keep rocking that boat that makes any sense, I don't. I have enough shit going on here that I don't want to mess with it. Yeah, there's one time I was I had a ghost tour in Delevin that they want me to bring back. But I was doing a ghost hour in Delevan. We were walking down the last part of the tour and we were saying goodbye to everybody. We decided to go sit on the steps after we talked to everybody of the library. We were sitting there and I don't remember it, but my partner of the ghost tour list she told me that I looked at her and I was like, are you having fun yet? And my eyes were black? And she's like, nope. She wouldn't even in my truck. She would not get in my truck. She walked home. She's like, I speed walked home. I almost ran home. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing if your eyes were all black. All I remember is on the way home, my Bluetooth speaker that was hooked up to my iPhone, which is clear all the time. You can hear everything. Crisp kept going so like some sort of interference mixing in with it. Yeah, and that never happens, never ever, ever, And it's never happened again. That's strange. I wonder if it's like tapped into whatever energy maybe was floating around, trying to manifest itself into that and you're picking up the vibrations or frequency of it. Yeah, it probably attached itself to me, was trying to communicate somehow, let me know it was there. Now, this is a could be considered a loaded question, But what do you think the paranormal site actually is. Do you believe that their spirits from people? Do you believe their energies from something else? Like with your investigations and everything else, What is it that you're actually thinking you're communicating with? I can actually see spirits. Uh, It's hard to explain. When you see your family members or people that had passed away a long time ago, and you look at pictures later on and you're like, I've seen that person, and you've never seen that person before except it was a client's person. You've never seen a picture of them until after you've seen that person. It's it's crazy. I've seen demons, I've seen go ahead, men, I've seen orbs. I've communicated with a lot. I've communicated with good spirits, bad spirits, demonic spirits. How can you tell the difference between like a good spirit of bad spirit and like demonics? Like you said, you sell demons. What makes them stand out different from a different spirit? If they show themselves, usually the way they look or the way they morph. Some of them are shape shifters. Usually the energy that I feel. I can usually tell the difference between if they're good or bad. I know, like with depictions from what everyone says, like angels or angelic beings looked like they didn't really if you go back in biblical terms, they didn't actually look like humans. They were like a bunch of eyeballs and wings and everything like that. You actually see like the sounds what. It's kind of wondering you said you saw demons. I don't think demons are supposed to look like normal humans either, so I didn't know what you were actually seeing, like what the shapes were, what they looked like. Well, I've seen a man with a GoAhead, but it was like a goat with hooves, a manator. Basically, I've seen little like creatures. I've seen actual human looking spirits like my mom and like the the guy from the site down the road in Delevan from the nineteen fifties. But I can usually tell by the energy, and like I told Alex, when we're there, I felt a really weird energy, especially when you told me that we had to come back on a full moon. Yeah, things are strange now, the full moon thing coming back then it seems if it's communicating with you, wants you to come back in a specific time, frame or whatever. That is a little strange to me. Well, we kind of figured is if it was, it might have been trying to set us up possibly, and words just stupid enough to fall for it. Yeah, of course it went back, but we're super prepared for it, so we didn't get a chance to really do a good investigation. But we're looking to go back on another full moon one of these days. Yeah, we're going to do it and get permission from the homeowners and get going on that. There's a couple other places, says I want to get done. But you got to jump through hoops. Every investigation, you got to jump through hoops unless people come to you. Otherwise, if you want to do a place, you got to ask that person. You gotta jump through all the hoops. Like when I did the Ghost tour, I had to for every park, I had to go to the parks in Wreck. For every building, I had to go to that building owner for It's different every time, and some people don't want to be part of it. Yeah, I think you're a little crazy sometimes, or people are scared. People are scared to reach out because other people think they're crazy. That is the stigma that comes with the territory of paranormal. That's a yes. That's why I named the podcast. The reason it is, like everyone says that you're making fun of people, was like, no, literally tinfoil hat. People think you wear a tinfoil hat, you're crazy. And I want to kick that stigma because this podcast branches out doesn't just do paranormal, it does do conspiracy, it does do encrypted encounters. Anything that people experiences is outside the realm of normal, and you're afraid to talk about it because you don't want to be labeled as lunatic. Essentially, because these type of topics are taboos. Still, they're not as bad as they used to be, but a lot of people are so afraid to come forward with it. When I talk about how I could feel things, see spirits, see things and all that, so some people look at me like I'm not they really do the first thing that people would think of, And not to sound like a jerk or anything about it, but like when you start saying you see things, it's not the first thing that I would think. And I'm not going to speak for everyone else, but like, I wonder if this person gets because that's the first thing that were like it's in our brain and programmed to be like this person talks to spirits, they see spirits while they're talking to the average person, you're just talking to yourself. So they were looking at it as like, well, there's something wrong with that person, without actually without actually thinking or taking into the fact that maybe there's not something wrong, you're just able to do that. And I'm not trying to discredit people that have schizophrenia, because that's obviously a real thing too, But it makes you wonder, like back in the old times, how many people were diagnosed with these disorders that maybe weren't really having the disorder, maybe they were actually being able to communicate with the other side exactly exactly. That's an interesting point right there, for sure. Yeah, just like witches. People always tell people were witches and hungo and it could have been just normal people, normal everyday people. Back in the old days, if you were a witch, you're getting burnt, yeah, burnstic, even if you didn't do anything wrong. If you were just accused of being a witch, you're automatically a witch because if you denied it, you were a witch to so you're kind of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Exactly the same thing happened in France for the werewolf trials I believe in the sixteen hundreds or the seventeen hundreds, I forget what years it was, but the people were being accused of being werewolves, and if you deny being a werewolf, you were burnt too, hung burnt would be like, I'm a werewolf, don't hang and burn me. I admitted it. I admitted it. Yeah, if you listen. So, if you listen to the old stories and accounts of stuff like and you read history, it's kind of brutal. Oh yeah, people are rough from what they didn't understand back in the day, and today we don't. We don't burn people at the stake. We just lock them in institutions. I guess here you have the medication. Yeah, laugh at it, but yeah, pump them full of medications or lock them in an institution and then just keep them drugged up. That's that's the way societies went. We went from setting people on fire to just pump them full of drugs. I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but it kind of sounds a little it's a sad, morbid thing, and it does. I'm not trying to make joke of it, but it's kind of a dark sense of humor. I guess I have it. It's like that's I know, that's why I kind of laughed. I kind of have a dark sense of humor today. Yeah, when you do stuff like this. For the most part, I'm pretty serious when it comes to the show, but if anyone actually knows me outside of this, I'm not that serious of a person. I make jokes all the time, and we got you. So it's like, sometimes topics are they're so into whatever that I don't say a whole lot because I know people are really going through the ringer of what's coming even forward to talk about this stuff, so I let them speak. But then there's other times where it's like a little bit of a more lighthearted conversation. I think it's good here and there, especially when it's not always Debbie Downer type topics. And there's a lot of things we get into that's like I don't want to tell them controversial, but like some people have some dramatic experiences or whatever, and I don't want to try and be all lighthearted in here when they're going through the shit you know, Oh yeah, yeah, you don't want to make a joke at the wrong time. No, I think I've I always make the joke myself in real life that I have great comedic timing, so I know when to make a joke. And then there's those opportunities that I know, this is a very bad time to make a joke, but I'll do it anyways, and it usually never it falls pretty flat and or it just brokes people the wrong way. I'm like, hey, sometimes you just gotta break the monotony of the crap that's going on and make a light of it. I guess yeah, if you sit there and just dwell on all, if all you look for is the bad things, all you're gonna find are the bad things. Yeah, got a smile and crack his joke once in a while. Can't go through life completely being serious. So anyone out there listening, if you think I'm the radio voice guy with the seriousness and that's I might have the radio sounding voice, but it's a I'm pretty pretty dumb and joky. That helps. No. I say radio voice because I've been doing a couple of things here and there. People have been giving me crap that I have such a soothing, golden soothing radio voice or something like that. I was like, what, so I'm getting sleepy one six point one little by station. There you go, now, coming at your live What I sound like in my head? I don't actually sound like when I record, so it's weird. But I actually listened back to myself, so I don't like listening to my own voice. I think it sounds weird because it's not what I'm used to hearing. Oh You're not the only one. I know. I sound so weird recorded than I do. First couple of times I was like, that's how I sound, and everyone's like yeah, But like, why didn't you tell me that? All right? Well, is there anything else you'd like to discuss before we want to wrap this one up? Because I want before we wrap it up, I want everyone to be able to where they can reach you guys at and if they have any thing for you to investigate. But I want to give you some time here to anything else you'd like to discuss. I just got to say, if if you think you have something that you can explain and you want somebody to try to explain it, we can do our best to help out, you know, reach out. Or if you're having problems with the paranormal world and you think it's spare a normal world, or you don't know it's the paranormal world stuff that's flying around. You're having bad five, something's messing. We do give us a call. Email us. Our phone numbers two six to two, three seven nine four nine eight zero. And a lot of people do think people that have paranormal problems are crazy, but we don't think you're crazy. We know you need help and that's what we're here to do. We're here to help you. We'll talk about the website too. Yeah, we've got a website on We also have a Facebook group. Our website is ha or http whatever however you do that. Sorry, it's been a long day. Tina jeninga dot wixsite, dot com slash Phantom Paranormal and then my email Tina Phantom Paranormal at yahoo dot com. Like I said, We're on Facebook group is Phantom Paranormal. I'm also on Facebook It's Tina Anderson. I'm also on Instagram Phantom Paranormal. I'm also on Instagram It's Tina Andrews or Tina Leanne five three one one whatever. Social media is and links you have, you can send it to me an email and I will include it all in the show notes. For anyone listening that would want to reach out, they can just go into the show notes and like a link and take it right to you. Perfect. Yeah, and we don't judge anybody. We're we're here for everybody. Now, just to clarify, when you do investigations, I know some people everyone does it for free, but I didn't know if that's something that I won't say everyone. I know there's other people out there that they charge for their investigations. Is that something that depending on the situation, how do you go about doing that? We went to Oklahoma City for free. We basically haven't charged yet, but if people are willing to donate a little bit for gas money, we won't say no to that. Yeah. Yeah, we get tips sometimes which helps a lot with like gas money, and because we do travel out of state. We're getting ready to go out west, so I mean, we really don't charge, but some people do tip us because of what we do. We take our time, we get everything done throughly. If they need stuff cleansed or they need to be cleansed, I do that. I get everything done. We make sure we do everything really properly. Through all the stuff, I let them know what's going on, what happened, and I let them hear the evvs, let them see this stuff, the cameras, anything on the cameras. You know. So it's a lot of work, but we do it because we want to help people. We don't do it for the money. Oh yeah, help people's the main thing. Make sure they can sleep at night. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure anyone listening, if you're interested, I do recommend you tip whoever you bring out, because again, people do take their time come out and try and help other people. So if you have a means of helping out, throwing some money here for gas, helping for their time, I know it's much appreciated by anyone that comes out and does this, especially when they're doing it for free. Oh hey kat, Oh yeah, it makes you feel a little bit more appreciated, you know what I mean. It's just the thank yous help out. But it's like, oh here, all cool. You know, we don't have to put all our own money into this and try to help people. It does it's we do it anyway, but you know, it is nice to be thinking like that, yeah, regardless, regardless though, it's truly rewarding to help people get through what they're going through and to help them get rid of whatever they need to get rid of. That's kind of why I do this podcast too, is I know what it's like not to talk about things because again, the whole stigma of being labeled crazy. And I wanted to give a place for people to come on here and talk about this stuff because I never felt like I could talk about what happened with me. So I want people to be able to come on here and feel safe enough to share what happened with them and not be judged or ridiculed or anything like that. And if it helps someone, it helps me. It's kind of a when when I listen to other people talk about what happened to them and it makes me feel not so crazy. And then when people come on here, maybe someone else listening, they're like, oh, I experienced that too, and it helps them. You know what I'm saying. Like the whole thing for me is almost therapeutic in a sense. Oh yeah, yeah, Sometimes people believe in you and what you're going through and not just like looking at you like you're crazy. Just believe in somebody helping them get it off their chest, helps out, or having them or having them feel like they're not alone. Oh yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that. That's like I said, That's why I wanted to do this podcast to an extent, was I wanted people to be able to come on here and not feel like they're the only ones that have had to deal with some of the crazy things that go on in the world. Oh yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah, definitely. Well, guys, I appreciate you coming on here tonight and talking with me again. Anyone listening, if you would like to reach out to Tina and Alex or Phantom Paranormal, you can find all that information in the show notes. But again I want to say thanks, thanks for having us such fun. Yeah, it's been my pleasure. But we're going to go ahead now and wrap this one up. So thanks for listening, and good night everyone. Good night. Remember the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote, good night everyone,