Ep. 88: Indiana Bigfoot

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. Now we're gonna be joined by my guest, Leroy Nail. Leroy is the head of the Indiana Bigfoot Research Organization. He's helping put together the first annual Indiana Bigfoot Conference in Nashville, Indiana, that'll be in September of this year. 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I will be making several different guest appearances this year, benduring at some of these local events. I'll be at Bigfoots and Brews up in while Jack, Michigan on September fourteenth at the Sister Lakes Brewing Company. I'll be at the Indiana Bigfoot Conference September twenty seven to twenty eighth down in Nashville, Indiana. I'll be at Paara Unity six at the Miami County four h Fairgrounds here in brew Indiana on October nineteenth. And I'll also be vaking appearance down at Crawfordville at the first Annual Crawfordsville Paranormal Convention on Saturday, October twenty sixth. That sounds like anything you guys be interested in. Make sure to check out the show notes. There'll be more information there and more updates as things become more available. Remember to follow us on all social media's Facebook, Instagram, X, all that good stuff. But I think now we're going to go ahead and bring Leroy on. Been looking forward to talking with him. I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation to sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Like to take time to welcome my guests tonight. Leroy, thanks for coming on here and talk to me all right. I appreciate it. I met you about two months ago, roughly at one of those Bigfoot gatherings they had up in South Whitley. Talk to you for a little bit and then reached out to you. Yeah, you want to let the audience know a little bit about what you do and a little bit of background about yourself. Yeah. I'm Lee royan Nell. I run the Indiana Bigfoot Research Organization, And where we actually met at is one of the library presentations that I was doing. I go around to a few of those throughout the year when I'm invited to go to the library. I enjoy doing them because I get to meet people and talk to people and here's some some more experiences, which is always a good thing. And I've been running this organization for the the last ten years ten years or so now, and over that period of time, I've got got to have a lot of experiences and learn a lot of different things. My view on Bigfoot over the past ten years has completely changed. I went from thinking maybe out West I would buy if it was out west, somewhere deep in the woods, but not in Indiana, not around here that I've hunted these woods. I'm I'm going on sixty four years old, and I've hunted these woods my whole life, ever since i was a young teenager. And when I say that we're going to go in deep, all you're doing is walking out to the next road, because most of the most of the woods in Indiana unforced. In Indiana, it's not that deep before you hit another road. So when someone talked about a bigfoot in this area, I'm like, I just I don't see it. I can't believe that until I got into it, and over the last ten years, I've realized that it's not the case. It don't even take that much deep woods deep forced anywhere for these forced people to be there. There can be a tree line, just a ditch line that they'll travel through and don't understand it, can't explain it. But we've had reports and found prints in some of the oddest plays, you know. And sure some of those someone could have planted, you know, I'm not oblivious to that people maybe planting things was because they want attention or whatever might be the case. But I've run across some and some just outside of towns. In additions that you know, we had to uncover underneath the leaves and stuff because they was buried, you know, and just happened to have a good tractor with us that could that found a print. And we've seen that in a few different places. I've talked to people that one lady was down in mean, let me think about it. I think it was Beffort, Indiana, and she was talking about and she would go out behind her house night. She was in a band, and she'd go out behind her house at night, you know, on two o'clock in the morning or later, and she set out back in her yard and sing and play instruments. Well, she had them coming up and around her house, and of course that's why. But we was just right outside. It was on an addition, but on the backside of that addition with some rock berries and stuff like this that goes in the woods. Not a whole lot of woods, but there was some woods there. And after I got there and was talking to her and looking around and hearing what she was doing, it's like, now, no wonder, they're coming up here, and you know you're drawing them in with some music. Anything that you do that's a little bit odd, they'll come in to check it out. So it was very understandable that that was going on. And that's some of the things that I've just learned over the past several years is ain't played anything off. No matter what someone's saying. You might think it's totally crazy, but you just don't want to You don't want to brush it off because something could really be what they're saying could very well be true. I know that's the case for me. That people would tell me things when I first got into this and it first started doing it that I thought there was absolutely nuts. I thought these people's crazy. First, I didn't think there was no day footing India. And like I was saying, that changed real quick. I mean the first day out, first day out, the guy took me out, we found a print. Yeah, I figured he planted it, but at the same time I know that he didn't, but it was still it was still hard to believe. And then it didn't take no time to realize that there's something here. You know, all these people's not crazy that they are here. But some of the things that people would tell me, you know, for several years I was doing it, I thought there's no way, you know that that these these creatures, these these forced people can do some of the things that people is talking about. But over the years, the most of it has came true and I've realized, yes, they can. You know, some people don't believe in eyeshine. Well, you know, I'm going to tell you right now, I've seen it. I've witnessed it a few times now, and their eyes do light up different colors. They might be white, they might be in real green blue, red eyes. A lot of them will talk about red eyes that's evil. Well I don't believe that's the case either, but their eyes do, eyes do light up. And over the years, with gifting, sights and interacting with them, because we don't really go out looking for him anymore, we know where they're at, We know places that they're at, and we can go out and we just sat down and they'll come to us. And at that point, once we started doing that, they've come up to us enough that we've started learning some of their some of their habits and what they'll do. And through the gifting, we know that they understand what we're saying. I'll tell you a quick story that happened to three of the guys that's in our group last year. Okay that there's there's an one guy that's late fifties. I believe he's in his late fifties and he had his probably thirty year old son was there with him. So it's a father and a son and another guy another younger guy, probably in his forties, and they're sitting in a fire and it's where we have a lot of activity, and we've been having a lot of activity in that one spot all summer, some really neat interactions. And they're sitting there and they hear one walk up. The two younger guys heard it walking up and it gets up close to him. It's just outside the fire light. And the one thing, you know, the first question that anybody'd ask was why didn't you flip on the light? Well, we don't flip on the light because you're just going to kill whatever's going on at that time. It's going to be over and so we never turned on the light. So we want that interaction. So they heard this thing walk up, and it would pace back and forth in front of it, and the one guy's going, dad, did you hear that? Well, his hearing is not the best and he now about hearing aids, but his hearing wasn't the best, and he'd say, no, I didn't hear it. Well, this thing would walk in a little bit closer and pace back and forth, and Adam would go did you hear that? No, I didn't hear nothing, and they'd come in a little bit closer, and you know, and his son by this time is getting pretty nervous because this thing is coming up that close ton and it still it's pacing back and forth, and the two 'ms listening to it pace back and forth, and they're looking at him. When did you hear that? He goes no, So this time, when it stepped in a little bit closer, it literally started stomping so that he would hear it. And then he goes, okay, okay, okay, I heard that. Okay, And his son by this time is not ready to flip out because he's going you had to hear that when he goes yes, yes, I finally heard that. But it just shows that whatever we're saying, they understand, and that thing that fourth person wanted him to hear it. He wanted to I wanted them to hear those footsteps. So you come up and alertly stop until he could hear it. Now that's showing intelligence. It's showing that they understand what we're saying and what's going on. And that's some of the experiences that we've had. It's just like that one that we've seen. Some of the things that they can do, and it's like, that's hard to believe. It's hard to understand. One of the ladies that gifted there, she had a gifting site right in that same spot with the same plan. And this was a number of years ago. This is probably eight nine years ago that she was doing this, which it's the same plan there now. But when she first started doing it, she would leave out treats for him. She would leave out different types of snacks and things like this. Well, they would they would open it up up and then they would drop all the trash and just kind of drop it in the woods and she'd have to get down and gather it all up. So she told them one day, said, you got to quit throwing that stuff and taking it down over the bank. Leave it up here, because I can't climb through them briars like you guys do. I can't get down through that stuff. Well, after that, all of the trash would be left right beside her gifting spot and wouldn't be scattered out anywhere. And at the time that just totally dumbfounded it. It's like I'm looking at it, going seriously, you're telling me that they're not taking it and carrying it away a little bit and opening it up. Shecaues, No, they're leaving it right here. If they do, they bring it back and they set it right up here, and I don't have to climb down through any of the briers anymore trying to get down to some of this stuff. So that was again, that was you know, we learned that a number of your ago that they do understand what we're saying. They do. They understand it. They have their own language, and we've heard them out there and people heard the Samurai chattern and things like that on different recordings. You know, of course they have their own language, but we really do believe that they understand our language. And other than had reports several people reporting that having them like call their kid from the woods, call like their kid's name. You know. There was one family that was with our group for several years has been that had them around our house, and he would tell us that they would call for one of his younger sons. He would hear him call from the woods, yelling his younger son's name, like to bring telling them to come out in the woods. You know, so very strange. That's kind of eerie. I've heard other people talk about that too, or they call out their name from the woods. Yeah, and it's you know, and that's kind of eerie. But at the same time, I've yet to encounter how to encounter that actually turned back that anything really happened. People get scared, but no one's been hurt, not around here, not that I'm aware of. Has anybody ever really been heard? Now, they do things to intimidate people, and I honestly believe that that's the teenagers that's doing that. The claim that we're dealing with most of the time. We know that it's got to be the teenagers, that the younger ones that's doing that, because what they'll do in this one can't round. And it was seen, it was seen two or three times just last year last summer, that people will be camping and some of ours will be sitting in one area and they'll hear them just like we heard them that one night they was walking around and so we knew they was walking around the campsite, and they would hear them walking around the campsite. And then they go around the campground over the porch where someone else is camping, and this be eleven, twelve o'clock at night or so when you'd see they would see these people get out of their tent with a flashlight and shine a flashlight down in the woods, and then then they'd get back in their tent and a few minutes later they get out again and they're shining their flashlight around. You know, these guys know exactly what they're doing. They're down there walking around and freaking these people out. But the third time they get out of their tent shine their flashlight around, they'll grab their tent, throw it in their vehicle and they leave eleven twelve o'clock at night. Well, they got spook, they got scared out of them. But we believe that that's just the teenagers that's having fun. We honestly believe one's going, hey, let's see if we can go scared of these campers. And that's what they do, because we've had them up walking around us and then off in a distance, like down in the ravine away from us or maybe the next ridge over. We'll hear a larger one let out a low grown maybe one kind of scream, and then everything quits. And we figured that's the adult saying get your ass back over here and lead them people along and we've seen that and heard that a few times now, so that's why we say, well, that's probably the teenagers that's up here messing with this, and the other ones are saying, hey, get back over here, now leave them alone. So it gets kind of interesting. But I think it was about three times they've seen them run campers off last year. Didn't do anything but maybe just startle them a little bit, whereas we're writing the same campground, but we let them come up and walk around us, and we stand there and talk to them and thank them and appreciate the fact that they come up and walk down right in front of me, and I can see their eyes shine, because that's what happened one night. I listened to it all the way around the campsite. It stood maybe thirty forty yards in front of me, looking down in the ravine, and I can I can see its eyeglow looking back up at me through the bushes, and that was me. That was pretty awesome to listen to Walkerham and stand right in front of me. That's another one that one of the cool mines I noticed. You call them forest people, so are you of the mind that they're just a primate an undiscovered primate or do you have any other ideas? I really I think they're part uman. Most of the DNA when people will actually have DNA tested, it will come back part human, part of unknown. And that part unknown is what no one really knows. They don't have until they actually have that body and they pull that DNA and go, okay, this is exactly what the DNA is. Before most scientists are will go okay, that's what it is. Even though we know what that we even know, there's been so many of them. I don't understand why they're not going okay, it's all this unknown DNA. Is it all the same Well, if it's all the same same DNA, I don't. I don't quite understand that on the science part of it. But I do believe that they are partuman. And then there's there's different I guess there's different ones. Some look more maybe more apish, more like that type of it, like an ape. But other ones say when they talk about sinning and they say, look just their face really looks human. M hm, you know, looks like a person. M hmm. I've heard so various descriptions of them. Some say they look like not like native Americans, but like almost that type of yes, facial structures to them, like they're like original like human type shape. And that's what That's what I've heard a number of different people talk about, you know, because I guess I think there's seven different seven different groups, seven different types of Sasquatch, you know, variations that part. I honestly, I couldn't tell you. I haven't seen one. I personally haven't seen one. I've seen the eyeglow. I've had them walk around us. I've had them throw things at us. You know, I've had everything else besides your typical type a siding where I had seen one during the day standing right in front of me. You know, I have not seen that. I can't wait to see that. Hopefully one of these days I will. But the only thing I've had is I've heard them walk around us. And I said, I've heard them walking round. There's still things that is. I've seen their eyes shine. I have no doubt what I'm looking at when you're looking dead into the woods and you know you're looking into the hill and you've got eyes glowing at you. M you know, I've often wondered I've had someone reach out to me too, and they're from also from Indiana. It's a lady and I haven't got her scheduled yet, but she talked about how she's friends with them, like she leaves them things. I wonder if you're talking about the same person. I don't want to mention it on air, but could be. Could be? I've always wondered because she does a lot of I can tell you she's part of her group and she does a lot of podcasts. Mm hmm. It's probably the same lady, but I've often wondered that. So I've heard it on other podcasts too, or other interviews. People say they interact with them. I've heard some really out there ones with they bring their kids to them and they feed their kid, like if they're coming up to these people and everything else. And this is my skeptic side of certain things when people talk about some of the stuff, is how come there's still no proof, like if they're coming to your house, you're giving them food, you can see their children and everything. How come no one has ever thought to snap a photo of that? Or well if they have the same thoughts that I do, and a number of them in our group, because you you know, we get the same thing. The reason that we get to interact with them a lot what we believe. The reason that we believe we get to interact with them a lot is because we dropped all that out. We don't. I don't even hardly carry a flashlight with me when I'm in the woods, so it's very seldom all even have a flashlight, let alone. If they do come up, the last thing I want to do is pull out my camera and try my phone and try to take a picture. I don't really record anything. The more we leave, basically, you leave the electronics at home and you build a trust with them, they'll come in and interact with you. But if you if one little light comes on, they're gone. I mean, if they come in around you, all you have to do is take your cell phone out and that cell phone light come on. Just the light off the screen. All the activity is done. It's over. So if they're coming in around their house and they're actually interacting with them during the day, they could be showing in the same respect by going I'm not going to do that. I'm going to let you be and have you trust me that I'm not going to do anything. I'm not going to try to take a picture of you. I'm not going to try to do that. So I mean, and being you know, skeptic, I say I would have the same thoughts bull you know, but that very well could be understand that that could be an explanation for some of it. I know that I probably wouldn't. You know. I don't want as much as I want people to know that they're there, I don't necessarily want to tell you exactly where they're at. I don't necessarily want to take and I have people that I work with that I absolutely would not and I tell them I ain't taking you on that. I'm not even going to tell you where I go. I don't want you to know because that a few of them that would be one of might know. The first thing he had said, I'll have that thing hanging on the wall, you know. That's That's the last thing I want to do is let someone go go hurt one of these things, you know, because we don't think that there. I don't believe at all that there's some kind of vicious monster like everybody believes. We kind of think it may be the other way around, that they're far from being a vicious monster. And unless you you pin them, unless you're trying to really threaten them, just like anything else. You know, you can be the nicest guy in the world. I guarantee you. If I put you in a bad situation, you're gonna come out fighting for your life. And I may not be on the surviving end of it, you know, but you could be the greatest guy in the world. But don't put you in the wrong position. Well, they're probably the same thing. You know, they could be. They could be really nice, but you put them in the bad position, don't come out fighting for their life, and I don't think you're going to survive it. I said this to one of my friends is also a podcaster earlier tonight, that we talk about these cryptids and monsters and ffos and everything else. It's like, but honestly, the real monsters, the things we talk about, the actual monsters are the people themselves. Yeah, humans are the real monsters when you get down into the things. Yeah, when you really get down to we're the We're kind of the disease on the planet in a way. We're the ones that destroying and kill everything. And I say that because as many times as I've had you know, like I said, I haven't seen one, not face to face, but I know that they're right there. And as many times that we've had them in like it, as many times as they've been around, they've yet to ever threaten in any way. And once I went out and I started dropping all the fear that they're going to come in and grab me, that they're going to do something, that's when I started having more interactions. That's when they did come up and I got to see their eyes shine and got to hear them walk up with him just outside of the light of me, you know. And I had a guy last year that spends a lot of time. Let me let me put it this way. He spends he spends every night camping. He lives. He that's all he does. He's homeless and he lives in the woods. It's that's his lifestyle that he chooses. It's not because he you know, the guy goes to work every day, you know, and he's got it, he's got his ways. But he actually lives in camp and he travels from campsites to campsites across the state and stays in a few of them all the time. And he was telling me one night last year, he said, He goes, you know, these things are actually really polite, And I want, what do you mean they're polite? He goes, Well, they always let me know when they're walking up. He goes, I hear them walk up there, he goes, I've listened to him come through the woods, walk right up side, right outside the campsite. They'll be pacing around the campsite. Here he goes, But you know, hees, I never hear him leave, he says. Now, they make noise coming in, but they can leave in the silence. He said, that's because they're polite. They let me know that they're coming in. They're just being polite to me. Oh yeah, you're probably right, because we know that they can come in and be right on top of us and we never know it, We never hear it. We've seen that several times. I mean I've had him come in and be on the opposite side of the vehicle from us and leave handprints on it. We've had him come in and stand on the back side of one of our vehicles and one of the ladies walked around and one was standing just in the woodline from us. None of us knew that was there. Nobody knew it, so if they want to be quiet, they can, But we do believe they most of the time they have a tendency that I'll let you hear them. So they are complixe. And if they wanted to do anything to us, they could have had us at any time. They could have grabbed us at any time. There's nothing we could have done. So that's that's why I don't I've just kind of dropped the fear of it anymore and I don't worry about it. If they come up around us, I'm like, thank you, I'm glad that you're here. Although that's that's the reason I'm out here, just to know that you're here, just to get to fill your presence and know that you're here. And that's what we usually do. We you just go out and talk to them. We don't do much of that yelling, making loops, not knocking on trees and screaming. Yeah. I mean that works when you're originally looking to see if they're in an area, and you can because you may get a response back, but that's all you get, and you go yeah, with there, they're they're here, they're in this area. But then once you find that the best thing you can do is just spend time right there. Just got to spend time and talk to him, because then they'll come up that they know when you're there. And that's That's another thing that I've yet to understand is how we can go to an area and it seems like they can respond and be there in that area so quick. It's like, how is that? How do they do that? I always have more questions than I have answers. Does every time something happens, I'm like, how how did they just do that? Why would that make sense? And most of the time I don't have answers for it. I mean, I've had several people we've been we've been in an area and we have one area that we tend to get rockstoughd at. It's quite often there that those were rocks and things like that, and sometimes it happens quick and have people standing there and have a couple of ther thermal imaging and going at the same time, and you can hear these rocks coming through the trees, you know, litally hitting the leaves as it's coming through the trees, so you know it's not dropping down because you hear it coming in and that rock hit and you can see that rock the heat off of that rock with the thumb one imager. That yet you can't see nothing from where it's coming from, so you don't see no heat signatures in the woods. So if someone was even standing after their own rock set us, you should be able to pick them up a thumb one imager and say, okay, that's where's coming from that. You know there there's who through it. But we're standing there and you don't pick nothing up. But yet you can pick the heat up off the rock that just hit the ground beside us. That's strange. I can't explain that, you know, that's That's one of the things that I just can't explain. Why is that now we've been there before and picked up the heat signature. One of the guys actually had a image of one behind a tree on a ridge above us that we believe was throwing was chucking some rocks at us, and it was behind the tree and you can see it moving from around the tree with a thermal imager. That night was a little interesting, But that was just one of the nights. That night they happened to pick them up. There's other nights that we wasn't picking anything from the direction it was coming in. So I said, just don't quite understand how that happens. Mhm. But we have a we have a few things like that that happens that we just cannot explain. But that's why we can do them out. How do you feel about the Woo factor these days? Because that seems to be a very big topic of discussion anymore. I remember years ago it was just an ape running through the woods, and now there's a lot more. Oh there, Yeah, there's a lot more to know. I honestly stayed totally away from all that wo. I tried to avoid it, but at the same time, I never closed my mind off of that. You know, always I say that I have an open mind, and you know, I'll listen to what everybody's got to say. It doesn't necessarily mean I might believe in I might not be able to comprehend at the time on what they're telling me until I experienced it myself. But yow, that's what I'm saying. There's things that's happened that it's that WU factor, and we're going I I can't explain what just happened, what just happened. Makes no sense to me, you know, And it's a lot of that, the mind speak. I have had too many cases where people saying that they're mind speaking with them and then out they're telling me kind of tends to be true, you know. So it's like, Okay, I can't, I can no longer play that off. I've been there and had a lady one afternoon in the middle of the afternoon, looked like she was possessed, you know. I was. I was sitting we was waiting for someone to show up to make a hike. And I'm always sitting there waiting on this one guy to show up. There's I don't know, there's seven or eight of us that standing in that area getting ready to go down the woods. This one lady, she just I can't say it any other way. Besides, it was like she was bossessed. But this lady was dim there, climbing up on the tailgate in my lap. And I've never seen her before, you know, this is the first time I've even seen her, and she's looking all weird, and he her mother was with her, and her mother wo turned around, said you need to quit, and it's like she just melded right there and it was all over with, and it's like, what is this. Well, some people said that, you know, some people were saying, well, she got zapped. They zapped her. She was the weakest in the group and they zapped her. That's some of that WU stuff. That's some of that infrasound hitting her. You know, I can't explain it. I seen her. I so wished we'd had a camera running that day, you know, because I would love to be able to go back and look on a videotape and actually see and have someone really look at it and see if they can figure out what the deals was with her. I talked to her mom. Her mom says, I have no idea. I've never seen her act like that. But when she told him to quit, she just yells in the woods, you need to quit. This lady just kind of like collapsed right there. Very odd, very strange. And one of the other things that I know now is that I can fill the presence. I know when they come up, I know when they're around us, I can film them. And it's just when I first started doing it, I considered it just being nervous and my imagination getting to me because I would get real nervous and kind of like get freaked down. And then over the years I started realizing that's not what it is. I'm filling their presence. And the reason I say that, I knew that I worked with another guy. There's another guy that was with us that done the same thing, and talking to him and going through what I experienced, that's when I realized that's what I'm feeling. I'm feeling their presence now. If it's the infra sound that's hitting me or what it might be, I don't know, but I'll I'll almost there's times I'll get that that fight or flight feeling, you know, and then I can turn just to a oneint eighty and it go away right in the same spot, just turn around, but turn back around the direction that was coming from and get that feeling right back. And I never realized that until I didn't. I wasn't even I wasn't out, I wasn't out bigfooting. I was out in the woods, but I wasn't out bigfooting, and I wasn't thinking about bigfoot, so there was no reason for me to be getting nervous thinking something was coming up on me. But it just it just hit me out of nowhere, and I knew what it was. Then that's when I knew what it was. And then that's when I started really paying attention to it over the next year or so. Now I kind of know. As I can be out here and I'm just if I'm totally relaxed and not feeling nothing there, they're probably not around. But once they start coming in, I'll start getting that real nervous feeling. And then right after that's when we might might start hearing them walk in the woods, which is which is kind of interesting, but that goes into that wup factor and then you can't explain it. I can't. I've often wondered how something that big can remain undetected for so long, and it's and that's what all of us that you know, same thing. I mean, I I stand out there all the time and wonder that. I mean, I'll be out turn there around us, and it's like it's like like I was said, he was saying, Martin was saying that they're they're polight, and I'm like, yeah, we heard him walk up here, but we never did him. How did they do that? You know? How can they do that? How can they be that large, but be that quiet, you know, how can they move? How can they We did have one guy with us that always played a destressed rabbit call, one of the old rabbit calls from probably in the I would guess this rabbit call was probably from the eighties, maybe maybe mid eighties or whatever. But if you played that rabbit call, if he played that rabbit call, within no time, I'm talking within maybe thirty seconds, he get hit with a rock? How did they react act quick? You know? And it wasn't just in one spot that we'd done this. He done this in several different areas and he would get hit with a rock, he'd get hit with a lamb, he would get hit with something, you know, And it's like, how did they come to this area that quick? How did that happen? Howseken? Whenever we play that, we immediately get hit with the rock. She can't understand that. That's some of the things that you go doesn't make any sense. And when that's happened, That's what I'm saying. We've even had to throw my imagery, don't we looking scanning the woods for something to throw it? And the rock still comes in. But you never seen anything and even be looking in the direction that it comes from. If you heard it, you hear it coming through the woods. So it's I've had a buddy up in this area from where I'm from who's been out fishing, and I don't necessarily think he's a believer or anything like that, but he was telling me a while back that they've had some pretty big rocks throwing out them when they've been out on a boat, and they can't figure out where these rocks are coming from, because obviously there'd be a tossed from above, off on the banks or whatever, but they've never seen where they're coming from. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you, man. I was like, you know, and why they're doing that? We really don't know on this. We've I've tried to understand why on this. We won't don't ever let him play that distress rabbit. We've quit letting that things play. You know. I said, there's no way be playing it no more. I'm not getting my vehicle head, not gonna get anybody else's vehicle hit anymore, you know, not doing it, someone's gonna get hurt. How do you never feel about Sorry? I don't want to rup But how do you feel about these other cryptid things that uh kind of go along with sasquatch I've been I know, the dog man thing is a big Yeah, the dog man thing is, it's big. Most of those, I'm skeptic. It's it's strange, But even the dog man I I guess i'd have to experience it. I'd have to see it to say, oh, that's a dog man versus what I'm hearing I'm going to is that just some sort of sasquatch? You know? Are we are we still talking about the same thing? You know? Is there a difference there? Yeah, unless I've really seen it, you know, until physically see one, I guess I'll still consider it maybe being the same. Whenever we're done recording, I'll let you hear my experience. And I am very skeptical about a lot of things. And this is why I do the podcast, is why I now have an open mind about things, because the things that I saw and it'd seen or what had happened, there's no logical way to explain it where it doesn't sound crazy, and to me, it sounds crazy. And yeah, I know what I saw, so yeah, and I said, I have open mind. I just that's that's one of the things that I'm I'm still i'm the fans about it, even though I've got open mind on it. And it's like it's like a lot of things, you know, you've got to experience it, you know. It's like I tell people all the time, you know, I can tell you all kinds of things, and I can be on your side and I can argue right with you, you know. So yeah, I can argue the same points that you're going to make. But until you experience it, you can't. You just can't believe it, you can't buy it. So you have to experience it to understand where most people's coming from on it. So yeah, it's one of those things. I can tell you that I laughed one night because I was with a guy that does a lot of big footing from out he I think, I forget which Stadie lives in now for you if it's Alabama or where. But we had been out all weekend and then we spent one of our outings. He had been with us all weekend, and then me and him after the outing, we ended up spending another night in the woods. So we're sitting around the camp for It's probably twelve thirty one o'clock in the morning, and we're talking about all the different cryptis. And I really laughed when I brought up Aliens, and that's where he drew the line at. I said, so, you're telling me that we're out here, we're looking for big food, we're looking for dog man, we're looking for some kind of rape creature and all these but you draw the line on alien. And he goes, that's where I draw the line. I just it struck me as funny. Out of all the stuff you have, all the weird things, Aliens, where you draw the line, Yeah, Aliens is where you draw the line in. I'm like, okay, I get you. Now, that's where you draw the line at. You know, I kind of draw the line on the rake thing, you know, I'm like, until I see this thing. That's another one that I just can't get into. I can't can't buy. You know. The Rake honestly is a creepypasta, and I think they're from the Pale Crawlers. I think that's the same thing, but that was originally They've been siding to those for years. But the Rake actually I think was created like fifteen or so years ago, was it like a creepy apastle thing like slender Man and people have just ran with it. Yeah, I honestly don't know. I've seen pictures and stuff, but you know, to me, pictures aren't worth anything anymore. No, especially with the AI generated artwork. I don't know. If you can see what's on like my screen right now. That was all a I created for my podcast cover, Like they did the logo and they did all the photos. Yeah, so yeah, exactly, and then you know everything digital can be. Then that played it too much. So you know, a picture's not really any good anymore. I'm sure there is, you know, I'm sure there's all kind of good pictures out there. I've got a picture that's good, you know, but no one's gonna believe them. So I'm like, tell people what goods are going to get a picture? No one's gonna believe it. Yeah, they're running joke anymore. I've seen is and they're ripping it off from a comedian, but it's basically that. But if Bigfoot's naturally blurry, like, that's why it's really blurry, and that's why all the photos are blur because it's an actual blurry creature running through the woods. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I've seen my fair share of blurry bushes and tree branches and everything else with red circles around them. To just like, I don't see anything. I don't know what. Yeah, don't. I don't know what they're seeing. I don't see it. I just see blobs of I see dark blobs. The problem is like when you say things like that, people are instantly mad at you because you don't see it. I know, I'm sorry. I don't like I'm yeah, I don't know. I'm the same way they can believe what they want, you know, I'm I'm hung criticizing for it. You know. It's just I'm sorry, I'm not seeing what you're looking at, you know. So I just kind of I stumbled across something today. And I'm not going to mention the name of the Facebook group or the YouTube page because he actually has like twenty something thousand subscribers. But there is someone that he's given these Sasquatches their own name and their own language and everything. In the video that someone had posted today, i'd watched a little bit of it and I listened to the audio, and he's telling people what the audio says that these Sasquatch believe in God and Jesus and they were talking about how Trump is their president and they support him. And I was like, and people were commenting on there like, oh, this is great, I'm glad you're doing I was like, are you guys seriously believing? Like, I don't know if the guys like doing it is like a satire joke, Well, if he's serious, and it's just like I don't. It's stuff like that though that makes me question mm hmmm. A lot of people's mindsets that they're going to go right along with it and believe everything that someone says like this, this is awful. Now, I will tell you the wildest woo experience I've ever had. You know who Greg Ghost is? The squatch Man. No, I'm not familiar. You're not familiar with Greg Ghost? Okay? He goes by the squatch Man, Okay, And Greg has an unchanning he can interact with him. He's got a way that he goes out and he talks to him and it seems like he draws him in and he gets a lot of weird stuff happening, a lot of weird stuff, and people either like him or they don't. It's the bottom line to it. He'll be one of the speakers at our conference this year, and along with Ernie Pack from pac Man Paranormal. So I was with Greg Ghost one weekend and he was taking us around and showing us all these big trees staying at the Sasquatch pushed him over for him one night, and I honestly, me and another guy, I was going, okay, but those are couldn't have pushed these trees over. It was that large. There was big, large red oak trees, big Indiana. And so Ernie Pack was supposed to be coming in, which he does paranormal along with Bigfoot find them both. But he was supposed to be coming in and I was just about ready to go back to my camper and give up for the night. And when he shows up, it's about one o'clock in the morning. I've never met Ernie Pack before that night. I'd never seen him. There was a number of us that was standing there that had never met Ernie before, never seen him. And Greg's standing over on one side of the campground and I'm standing along with someone else, another guy that was with us during the day when Greg was showing us that these treets he pushed over, and Ernie starts telling us the exact story to the team that what Gregen said, he was giving us the very same story. So we're looking at each other now and he walks out for going on. They've either got their shit together or something really happened. So that kind of started the night a little bit weird, you know, because it's like these guys got their story together or something really did happen there. So they got all this paranormal equipment with them, and they claim that they can interact and speak with the Sasquatch through the voice box, just like you can with paranormal So I'm sticking around being a little bit intrigued with these guys, and they pulled out one of these voice boxes, which was really just an app on the phone, that's all it was. Now, again, we had never met these people, None of us that was most of us that was there that night, had never met Ernie Pack or any of his any of his group from the paranormal group that was there. And we're standing around the camp phone and they pulled this thing out and they start talking. Greg starts asking questions, Now if I'm not big into paranormal, but you know, I've watched enough of the TV shows and stuff. I realized when they're using those voice boxes that it's usually not very clear and you can't always tell what something's being said. The first thing that starts coming across this is direct answers to what's being said, what's being asked, and clear as could be, just clear. And that all of us was standing around the fire, and they went around to each one of us and said who is this? And that voice box called out by name who the person was. Now, once it done founding me is I'm sitting there going, okay, how can someone really be doing this when none of them has met us, they don't know us, but they know exactly everybody's name. And it went every single person there, and what ended up going on. We ended up supposedly having a conversation with I think it was twelve different sasquatches that was around us that night and was answering numerous numerous questions coming straight back, just answering quick and very interesting. That night left me totally dumbfound it now when you get into the WOO, I cannot I still can't tell you what we was talking to if it was the Sasquatch that we was talking to. It was very interesting because they were saying that they talked to different plans all over. If you're known, if one plan knows who you are, the other clans know who you are. And that's why they knew all of us by name, because we're known in one section of Indiana, So we're known all over in Indiana with the other plans, and that's what they're telling us. They told us they was from aus. We asked, where are you from planet Earth? We are from here from Earth. So it was questions like that was being asked and was getting these direct answers. How much then if if I was being fooled, they was doing a good job of being fulled. Who is talking to? Was talking to? I still don't know, can't. I can't answer that, but I can tell you that I went to bed early that morning or late in that morning, totally dumbfounded, totally lost, not understanding what really went on that night, so that it was wal night. I've always wondered when it comes to those spirit box things, when it's picking up these voices and everything else. A lot of people I don't want to call it the wu side of paranormal, but it's more like the demonic side of paranorm everything's been demonic now on the paranormal side. Everyone says, you're really just talking to demons. Yes, so I don't know if exactly. And that's throughout they're communicating with that, and it's pretending to be what the things that wants you to think it is. Yeah, exactly, And that's that's what we talked about, you know, after the you know, the next day we're talking, and that's what we're going to just want was were talking to. The wadest thing about it is the one guy as they went around, we know him as Jerry, okay, and that's what we know him by. But when they come around and said who is this, it said Dad, and we went all of us are standing on Dad. His name's Jerry, till his wife went only to you guys, everybody else he's Dad. He goes by Dad. Everybody else, only this group does he go by Jerry. And we're like, well, now that's different. Yeah, you know, that's different. But again, like I said, I don't know, you know what I mean, I don't know if we was talking if it was picking up demon if we was being tricked, it was a guardian angel that was telling us that knows everything about you. That was answering back to it. I don't know. I don't know, But you know a lot of people think these sasquatch and dog men and all sorts of these cryptis or whatever actually like remnants from like the fallen Angels and Nephelum and stuff like that. And again I don't I don't know what I believe. And if you go obviously the religious route with the Bible or whatever, it does say there was giants and it does talk about them like these beans and everything else, and that's why they sent the flood and why God sent the flood to wipe them all out. And there's still some alive. And that's where these people come up with the ideas that that's what these things are. That's what that's how they can mind speak. They still have that, they still have that human part in it. They have that, and they have the demonic part with the fallen angels or whatever you want to call it. Like that, Yes, how they can do mind speak, that's how they can do all the other things that they do. That's why there can be a floating ball of energy go through the woods, and then there's a sasquatch there, yeah, you know, and gets into all that would yep. And then there's the interdimensional aspect to it, and that's where they come in with these The whole alien theory too, is like they're they're not really aliens, they're interdimensional beings. And that's what sasquatch are is why they disappear, and that's why you see the wall of energy, because they open up a pearl and they go through its. Like again, fifteen twenty years ago, they were just primates, undiscovered primates. Now there's just so much more. Yeah, now there's so much more. And I was I understand, you know, not knowing whether to go there or not. But that's what I'm saying. How if we played a rabbit Paul and throw rocks at us within within a minute, how can they be in a spot that we're at that quick and respond that quick no matter where we're going, you know what I mean? Because we had done that, and we could go to different areas and play a call, play that call and get hit with something within minutes? How is that? You know what I mean? I don't remember where I heard this from. That and that gets in, that gets into that dimensional, you really into that wu stuff that makes you stand there and go, that makes you stand there in question at yourself. Someone had an encounter when they were talking about on a different podcast. This is before I even started my podcast. I was listening to several different ones, so I don't remember which one it was, but they supposedly had an experience with a sasquatch and I think it was out wet, and then they got out of there. They left and they were like a couple hundred miles away and they saw the same one again. It was still there looking in the camper windows at them, trying to like mind speak to them. And I don't know if it's completely made up, full crap whatever, who knows, but they were trying to get the point across that these things can just travel and always know where you're at. Yeah. Yeah, And I've heard that numerous times. I've heard that numerous times. I have people that's in the group. One individual that is it is the straight up guy, no bullshitting, you know what I mean. He's pretty much straight up and he will tell you about experiences just like that you know, so it leaves you with it leaves you with a lot of questions. The more people look into this, the more questions they come out with. They don't get answers, they get more questions. And that's what I say. The more that I the more that I get into, the more un answered questions that I get. I mean because I can't I can't answer none of them. I can tell you that I have a lot of questions, you know that I don't understand. You know, I can't explain why there's a track one or two tracks and then nothing else where to go? Yep? How did they get here so quick? How do they know if we're if we go out where we're going to be at and they're always there, you know, I don't don't understand, don't get it. How do they end up? Why do I end up getting reports right in the middle of the town, you know, and there's not really any forest ring. Why are they showing up there? You know? The other thing that a lot of people ask or where are the bodies? Exactly where the areas where they live? Where's everything? Like? I don't know. Some some believe that they bury their dead well at some point during construction or excavations or whatever, you think you would uncover some of that, and maybe maybe there has been. And again that goes back into the conspiracy side of it, that they're covering all up like, but that you would think at some point something would be ug up. Yeah, you know, some kind of bones would be discovered. So I get said, I go on, don't quitely get that? Yeah, that's where I That's where I struggle at, is like, if they're just a flesh and blood creature, where is the evidence to prove that? How do they hire, how do they disappear? Where's the bone, where's the tracers? There's the physical evidence of it? Yeah, that's Mike, that's the very same. That's what I'm saying. I can sit and argue the other side of it all day long, because I should. Don't have answers. You tell me how Like we can go to the Morgane Force a lot now when it comes deer season or even this time of year. Let's just say this time of year, the more forestry will have every inch of it turned over for mushroom hunters. Mushroom hunters will be out there until the mushrooms are gone. This spring and they'll turn almost every section of that wood's over and I know that place is full of them. Where do they go? Where are they hiding at? You know, ask them. No one's seeing them, or at least they're not reporting them. If there's bones, actually, you'd think they'd find them. That's when most bones people turn up. This during mushroom season, you know, when someone's disappearing for a few years. That's usually during mushroom seasons when someone will find the bones. Mm hm, you know, so it's the same thing. Why why aren't those spin found? I know some people will make a case that you don't ever find remains of a bear usually, or like a mountain lion or anything like that. How often do you go out in the woods and you find a carcass of a bear? Was like, yeah, but bears are known to exist, you see them more often. Yeah. And it's also you know, and I'll argue with people, how often do you see the bones of a deer that died naturally? Yeah? You know that wasn't shot or hit on the side of the road. Is it that the bubbs and then everything eats the bones that throw on top of the gram that everything gets a fair lock. I don't know. I interviewed someone last summer from Oklahoma and he said they always went floating down this river and there was a certain spot there where there's a bank, and multiple times he's went there and there's been deer carcasses on that bank, like they were just legs bent around, snapped like bodies can tour. But they're just left there. And what type of predator would bring it out and just leave it there right out in the open on a bank, We're going to see very strained, like well, unless it's a human trying to scare people, or if it is a sasquatch or whatever, I don't understand why they just be leaving it out there. But I don't know. It is weird. It is weird, but they say that they really just like their delivering stuff out of them. Someone i'd heard before claims they drink the bone marrow. It was like, is that impossible snap a bone and drink from it? I don't know if that's possible. Er I'm not I'm not a hun or anything like that, so I don't know how it works for animals, but we do we do know through the gifting that they only take what they need. They don't take more than they need. If you take if you take a dozen donuts out there and you lead in the woods around the camp side and the coons get in it, what's done. It's ripped apart. The package is ripped apart everything and it is just strung everywhere. Now with the sasquatch, when they'll come in, you leave that package stilled. They will cut the sill just like you or I would with a knife. The sill will be look like it has just been cut with a knife. It'll be opened up, two or three might be gone and the package closed again. Kuns don't do that. And through our gifting site, we took numerous things out there and they only take a couple. They don't take that many. So we know they only take what they need or what they want at that time. It's strange, but that is the behavior that they did. We've seen that over the years now continuously. You know, it hasn't changed. So very strange. It is very strange, and it's and it's hard to believe for someone to believe that they do. You like animal crackers, and if and if you get to talk to the lady, I believe you're going to talk to when she gets set up with her, because she did gifting for quite a long time, and they really liked her animal crackers, and they would take animal and she would date it. When she would leave stuff like that, she would she would put the I v R along it, and she put the date on it. Those animal crackers may be gone for a few weeks, then they'd reappear in her SI empty and you got all they want more. H Someone I interviewed recently. I just talked to him again. Not long ago. He gifted peanut butter somewhere in the area that he'd been looking into them, and he left the lid. I remember if you said if he left it open or unscrew or whatever. But he left it on a specific spot, and just a couple of weeks ago. I don't know how much time had passed since he'd left it out there for them. I don't think it was super long. He'd found the same exact type of jar of peanut butter out behind his place, completely empty, with the lid back on it. He says it's the same jar. Obviously. I don't know if he marked on it to label it or whatever. But this is what he said. And he said that was twenty something miles away from his house, so it knew exactly where to bring it to. I was like, I don't surprise me. Yeah, I mean some of the stories and some of the things that I've seen, it wouldn't surprise me. That's that's getting into that WU m H and things that you can't explain and honestly makes no sense to us. You know, four years ago, I was of the mindset that Bigfoot wasn't real, and I wanted to think there could possibly be. I always thought the Patterson Gimblin film was it looked fairly real. But I've always was thinking like, there's no way that these things could be out there. And then I started going into more listening to podcasts and I heard more about that. I've heard more about the WU side and everything else, and now I'm open minded. I'm skeptical and a lot of things, but I honestly believe people are seeing and experiencing something. Not what it is, I don't know, but yeah, something's going on. I can tell you that. I can tell you there's definitely something going on, and I can tell you there is things go on, and I honestly, I just can't even explain. I can't explain it. And if you start telling people or you start trying to get someone to start following bigfoot, being into big foot, if you immediately go into that, they'll immediately turn off and see you're you're totally crazy everything. So I'm crazy. Yeah, So it takes so when I when I when I'm talking to someone and they they they're totally against it or whatever, I'm going, well, you haven't had very many experiences with big footer you you'd be questioning yourself. You know, you might have had an experience, something might have stepped out for a know you, something may yelled at you, something might have thrown something at you. You might have had some kind of experience, but you haven't had a whole lot of experiences, because if you had, you'd be going, this makes no sense, you know, because things happen that make no sense. It's just like last year, we're in another one of our camping areas and it just so happened the weekend when he was camping, the campground was empty. There was there was just a group of us that was camping in it. In one area, I think there was two other tents in the whole campground, and there was adults. There was no kids in that campground, none around. So in the morning, one of the ladies that was camping with us, she got up, she comes and sits around the fire drinking coffee, and she goes, she goes, did you guys hear that kid playing this morning? At two three o'clock this morning? And I'm looking at her and were talking about kids, as there was a kid out behind the camper that was laughing and playing last night. I'm like, there's no kids in this campground. I've yet to see any kid in this can let alone be at there two three o'clock this morning. Well, one of the campers right across from her had left gifts out for the sasquatch that night on the picnic table behind their camper. When we went over there, one of them was gone. I think there was a bite out of one. Then another one was gone. And what we think is one of the small juveniles head one over there, snagged something, snagged those gifts off their picnic table and went running out behind her camper and was laughing. And that's what she heard, was the small one out behind her camper laughing, because there's a number of stories that campers will talk about saying, well, who was letting their kids after in the woods last night? Playing? Because I heard them I turned laughing and playing last night. Well, we believe that's the small juveniles that's outside planned and I think that's what happened that night. They had left left the gifts out behind the camper, a small one or a young one come in, grabbed it off that and you know, just like a kid would grabbed it and went running and going look what I got and went running out behind her camper and was laughing. Now that's getting into a little bit of the wood, but that's some of the experiences that you go. I can't explain. I don't know what happened last night, but I can tell you we're not in a very big campground. There's nobody around, you know, so the odds of a kid being in that campground two or three o'clock in the morning is pretty slim that night. You know, that's not always the case, but that night, we didn't see anybody there that night, and didn't see anybody around in the morning, you know, where there was any indication the kid anywhere in the campground. Mm hmm, yeah, that would be uh well, I'm trying to figure out why he would just be out wandering around night anyways, about the parents being exactly, you know, if you're in a big campground where there are people are camping. Ever, were you know, in a major campground, like, hey, yeah there's kids. You may hear kids all the night. But where we was camping at this is a primitive campground. I said that the only we was in one area that there was four or five of us camping in that area, and then the rest of the campgrounds that we could see, there was two other tents in that on the far side from us, that was away from us, that wasn't even really close to us, But there was no kids over there. So the whole area that we was in, it was just us, you know, so the odds of a kid being out there seem pretty pretty low to me. No, no, I would agree with that. So well it is. I was going to say, we could probably wrap this up. There's a couple of things I wanted to talk to you about first that we can. I want you to talk a little bit about the conference you get got going on let's say, yeah, the conference we're going to have really the first Bigfoot conference in Indiana. It's going to be in Nashville, Indiana, September twenty seventh, twenty eighth, twenty twenty twenty four this year, and we're pretty excited about it. We're going to have Adam Davies, Amy Boo, Charlie Raymond and and Greg Ghost and Ernie Pack. I'm thinking that's all besides myself we'll be speaking, and that'll be on Saturday, all day Saturday, starting at nine o'clock in the morning and I think from nine to five that day. Friday night will be more of that. Just a town hall meeting that will have and that's gonna be free to the public public for anybody to come in and tell us stories, go through the vendors, see the vendors, see some of the good things in there. So hopefully that'll be Hopefully that's gonna be fun. We're gonna have a that Boy Bike electric bike that we're gonna raffle off. It's been donated to us, which is pretty awesome. It's it's about a two thousand dollars electric bike that's going to be raffled off nice. I think, I think like to fight dollar tickets. Don't hold me to that. I have to look again what we get on it. You know, tickets might be like five bucks or something like that for a ticket, and you don't have to be present on it. If someone puts their name in on Friday and we draw the name on Saturday, we'll get in contact and they'll just have to come back to get it or get with us to pick it up, or I'm just gonna keep it myself. It's a it's kind of a neat looking little thing. So so that we're we're really looking forward to it. I think we're going to have a lot of fun and hopefully we'll bring a lot of people in. Our tickets are selling. I'm still hoping to sell out of tickets, which would be great for almost I'd have to go back and look again, but I think we're over halfway there. I'm selling out for tickets. And where can they purchase tickets at Indiana Bigfoot. I mean it's Indiana Bigfoot Conference dot com. I'll make sure to include that in the show notes for anyone listening. And that's down in Nashville, Indiana. So the county, yes, that is in Brown County. I'm going to make sure that I'm telling you right. It's Indiana Bigfoot Conference dot com. There's also on our website you have places that you can look for lodging to give you lodging around there, and I'll tell you about that. There's a sponsors tab to someone would be interested in sponsoring, and you can get tickets there, tickets and merchandise shirts that you can pick up there on site that we'll have. And I said, we're working through this. This is our first one, so we are a lot of this. We had been building from scratch all the way. Our website was built just for this this year. We're still trying to make sure it all works. So we're I think we're completely functional now that we have a sponsor's tab on there that someone can actually go in and sponsor us, because we had our web designer hadn't got that part of it done yet and she's got that completed now, so I'm really excited about that that that was taking care of. So yeah, we're really looking forward to I think it'll be a lot of fun. We're gonna the group of speakers that I've got I think will be a really wide variety, and people will hear different views from the flesh and blood to the woo, which is what I want. I want people to hear different different views on the big Foot and different things that people believe in, you know, on how big of it. There's there's a large range in it, and I want people to hear that, not just one view of it, but different views of it. So that's that's been kind of to go the whole time on on speakers and stuff like that, is to get a get a range, get a wide range of it. So when you're listening to Greg Yost and Ernie Pack, you're I want to hear some loup, you know, you get with Charlie Raymond out of Kentucky and you're probably here flesh and luck, you know so, and then the rest of them, you know, there may be a mixed of it. So we'll see, we'll see what happens and hopefully long the did I believe it will my plan. I've already been talking about it here and there, but I should be vendoring there. Yes, everything, I've got everything turned in for and everything else. So it's just kind of good to go. So for the listeners out there. If you're around Southern Indiana, you want to come out and check it out. I should be out there too, so you can always stop buying talk to me as well. Stop buying, stop buying, tell you some some good stories. Yeah, I'll have my rig out there for anyone that wants to talk. Yeah. And then I said, Friday night, I hope that we bringing up people in for the town hall that we may here's some really good stories. Yep. I'm playing on being down both nights, So that's what I'm I'm hoping for. I'm hoping Friday night to here's some good stuff because a lot of people have a lot of experiences here in Indiana that don't normally get a talk. I'm getting ready. I'm going to do another library presentation down in Owensville, Indiana in June, I think June twenty first. Last year when we was down in Owensville, we had over two hundred people show up for a library presentation. And that's how much interest there is in southern Indiana. And we've heard a lot of good stories down there. I was actually surprised with the solidly turnout. That was a pretty good crowd too. I thought for yeah, yes, for that area. For that area though, that was a good crowd up there. The largest crowd I've had dois been down at Owensville last year when we had over two hundred people and they was turning them away because there wasn't enough room inside. I was like, wow, that's there's there's a lot of interests down here. Yeah, you know, well that's good. I'm hoping hoping that does look well, just because I don't know of any other ones. There's other conventions and stuff going on, but I don't know of an actual one here in Indiana. I know there's one outside of Yeah, they were all over in Kentucky and West Virginia and Virginia and all of them, you know, not in Florida. And you know, the Ohio convention is next month, and that's the largest one in this area, you know central. I think it's the weekend before, or maybe it's two weeks before. But I know there's one up in Michigan that I'm supposed to be at too, and yeah that's bigfoots and bruise. Yeah, so yeah, they're they're all over, but I'm the same way. I don't know of one. Hear in Indiana and kind of got pulled into it last year. I had tried staying away from doing conferences because conferences really isn't my thing. My thing is to actually be out in the woods. That's more what I like doing. But I decided last year, if there's going to be a conference in Indiana that in a Bigfoot research organization, and have something to do with it. So yeah, if there's going to be one here, I wanted something to do with it. So that's why our group's trying to trying to host this and put it on and hopefully it'll be good. And we're already already starting to get people lined up for twenty twenty five. Also, that's awesome, So we're not looking just this year. We're looking to make this an annual thing. And I said, I've already got already got some one of them lined up for next year, a speaker lined up for next year, and hopefully we'll we'll have some have bigger names even in next year. Now, if it does well, I'm pretty sure it'll continue to grow because he's, yeah, these conferences have gotten bigger. It seems like every year I've only went to a couple and they've gotten a lot more people, seems like after the first couple, and that's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping this year goes goes good, and then once it goes good for the first year, then we have more to sell and offer for next year, and then we'll know more what's going on too. We won't be you know, first years, got a lot of girl and pains to go through and to get this going. But we are. We've still got a lot of organization to do on it. Chet our committee has been working hard on it, and we continue to work hard on it constantly. I mean, it's it's an everyday thing for us, looking at and talking to different people and trying to get everything organized together. But we're going to get there, and we'll be ready before September. Ever he gets here, We're going to be completely ready. I've got it. I've got it. Trying to put this on hold for just a little while while we have our spring outing in May down in yellow Wood, because I've got a spring outing to do down and down in Yellowood in May and bring everybody in and actually go out into what's where we have fun, where we go camping and and sit around the fire and talk and tell stories and then go out in the woods at night. That's that's when it gets fun. They just had an outing up here at the miss Cinamall Reservoir, so it's not too far from where I lived this past weekend. Yes, I couldn't make it up there. Last weekend I was going to go up there, and I couldn't make it up there last weekend. I didn't make it out. I there's way too much going on that night. I've got four kids and all sorts of things going on. Married. So Stephanie, Yeah, Stephanie will probably be down in our spring outing. So she's She's a lot of fun. She was actually on one of my life streams the first time I did a couple months back. She hopped on and talked about some stuff. So she seems like a really nice lady. Yeah, she's a nice lady, and I hope that she continues to keep getting them good out there. Those work. We're backing her also. M h. I've actually by the time the Sayers would already be happening. But tomorrow night I'm supposed to go up to Fort Wayne because I was asked to be a speaker at the local UFO meeting, So I've got that tomorrow night, and then they're doing another one on Saturday, and I'm guess speaking at here in my town of Peru, which I always saw those. When I found out of I was like, why we haven't a UFO meeting in Peru? It seems weird just because of a small little town. And then they asked if I wanted to be a guest speaker. I was like, sure, why not? I don't know what all I want to talk about, but see what it's all about. I guess yeah, but no, I want to make sure we talked about the convention, just because I know that's a with it being the first one going on here. I thought it was kind of a cool thing and want to make sure we talked about it. Yeah. I if I hadn't, I was going to get yelled at. I pad truth yelled at again. No anyone listening. I will have all those informations for you where to get tickets and the links and everything in the show notes and leroy if you want to tell everyone where they can get in contact with you, if they've ever had any sort of sightings or something. If you're interested in hearing about it. They can only just go to our Facebook page. You can look us up on Facebook as I b r O Facebook. It's yeah, it's I by I b r O or ib our organization is what it is on Facebook. And then you can also go to Indiana Big Fit Research Organization. The Indiana Bigfoot Research Organization will get tongue tied. Here is also our website. Is our actual website, Okay, I'll like make sure to include all that in the show notes. So everyone that's interested I just go there and click on and should take it right to it. Yeah, and the actual website itself, it's Indiana Bigfoot Research Organization, but it's actually ib r O INDIANAA dot com. I take it back, because that's what it is, is ib r OH Indiana dot com. And there you can look at different reports and SMIT a report if you want and see a little bit about the organization itself. You can go on there and smid a report and then we have a number of reports that's on there. You just have to go to the county and click on the county and then under that county there'll be different reports. There can be one or there could be several reports under that county for the different counties across Indiana. Mm hmm. I recently downloaded the let me look at it. It's called I know, it's the Bigfoot Mapping Project app. And it's got some little spots here and there that practually not too far from me. Some kind of interested in that. Yeah, I tell everybody, I'll be honest with you. I mean, it's what you find on the internet. As far as reports, is a dropping a bucket at once really out there, because there's a lot more reports that never get documented. I mean, it's just it's it's just the truth to I know. I don't document all of our reports. I just I don't tell all of our reports, and I don't tell I don't give exact locations. I give counties, but I don't give exact locations. I know a lot of people want that, they want to know exactly where're at. But I look at that and go no, because a lot of these are on private property, and we have to respect people's private property. We don't want people going and running around someone's property just because they heard that there's a report there or report in that area. You know, that's I just don't believe that's the way they handle things with people their privacy and their properties there and don't need to have people running around being somewhere where they're not supposed to be. So I don't give out, I don't give exact locations. Better not go out trespass them and get shot at or that's that's just part of our group. Our group respects people's privacy and their property and I just don't. I just won't do that. I won't go on property unless I have permission to be on it. And if I go on, and I'm not going to tell everybody, hey, I went to this property here at this location, you know, which is what people want it They want me to put down and saying you know, well there was a sighting here in this criek on this property. That would be nice, but you know, again it's private property. You know it's private property. And then you know, and I also say the same thing. You know, hm, once you go ask that guy where his favorite fishing home is and see if he tells you yeah, mhm, same thing. You know, someone's gonna tell me where all the mushrooms wreck because I would love to find someone. I love mushrooms, but I ain't no good at finding them, so someone will tell me exactly where I could go find some uncle look. But you know someone's not gonna tell me that you got to go out here and look yourself. You know, I'll tell you, I'll tell you the county that they're in there for the general area. But you know, I just can't. We just don't make it habit of telling people exactly where things are at. No, I don't blame it for that one. But I think we can uh probably wrap this one up. So is there anything else you'd like to say before we do? No, No, I think I think we're good. Well, I want to say thanks to Leroy for coming on here and talking to us tonight. It's been a pleasure, and I want to say thanks for listening. So hope you guys enjoyed it. Good Night everyone, not remember the truth, lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote. Good night everyone,