Ep. 92: Monstrosity of Bigfoot with David Race

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. Now we're gonna be joined by my guest, David Race. David is the host of Monstrosity podcast, reached out to me a while back to come on here and talk about a big foot experience you had kind of why he does a show. 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Yeah, I mean I'm the host of Monstrosity podcast Monstrosity with David Race or more in a monstrositypodcast dot com. Basically, it's a show I created three or four years ago that was spun off in a different podcast I had done few years before that, which was called Comedians Talking about Bigfoot, and that podcast had generated a TV deal and things. I was doing TV projects connected to it that didn't air, but I was doing them, and then ultimately, when I came back to the world of podcasting, I thought, let me sort of broaden the podcast out from Bigfoot to everything, UFOs, Bigfoot, ghosts, block nests, everything. So I changed the title to Monstrosity and the other podcast comedians talking about Bigfoot. Obviously it was comedians and me, I'm a comedian here at l in LA talking about Bigfoot, and we would have someone on for one of the Bigfoot shows or whatever. This show because it's broader, you know, the people are from the big Foo shows, the alien shows, the ghost shows, and instead of comedians, it's celebrities in general. It could be the actors, actresses, rock stars, whatever. Even earlier on in some of the early episodes, there's some comedian friends of mine. So I've done it, you know, in a sort of broader form version of the old show, you know, and it veers between you know, comedic and very serious, detailed, you know, paranormal discussions for a while, for a long time, the first bunch of episodes were pre COVID, and you know, I had a hard set rule here in LA. Any guest had to come in live, so it would be Lonnie Anderson and Shadow Stevens or whoever I had in the room, and they'd be on the whole episode. And when I got to the paranormal guy in the second half of the episode, they were fully participating in the conversation. Since COVID the show is kind of become half and half. Sometimes in person, sometimes they're you know, the person's on a feed from wherever they are, and when they're on a feed, when it's an episode by feed, they're they're not on with the paranormal person, So you could you know, you'll hear an actor or a rock star with me for the first half hour, pretty in depth interview with them, and then sort of switch tracks to the guy from Mansion Aliens or whatever, and they don't cross pollinate, which was one of the really interesting dynamics of this show early on where it always had that, and now it sort of has that half the time. But all the interviews I do, I go for pretty in depth, unusual questions. Obviously in the paranormal space, it's always going to be unusual, just automatically. But in the celebrity interview portion, I think I've gotten pretty adept at getting really unusual interviews gone with the celebrities in terms of whether it's about their life, their career, behind the scenes stuff from a movie or TV show they were in or even you know what paranormal experiences they've had. I think that the celebrity interviews are really unique and unusual. What made you decide you wanted to go this route anyways? Like did you have something that influenced you that you wanted to start like looking into this type of weird stuff? Uh? Yeah, I mean, you know, for for a long time, I've been interested in these topics, going back to childhood. Anyone in my age bracket remembers In Search of with Leonard Nimoy, and you know, that was a favorite show of mine as a kid. Was terrifying to me, but fascinating, you know. And so I always sort of in the zone of interested in the topics, and you know that that's the kind of topic that these sort of things were always the kind of topics that would freeze me in my place and make me watch or listen to the show that's come across my eyes, you know. But specifically, really specifically in two thousand and seven, I actually had a Bigfoot encounter that the bfro as Man Money Mays Bigfoot organization classified as like a I forget how they call them A B and C. I think as you see something face to face B is you know, they're pretty sure it's a big foot thing, but you didn't see it, but that there's nothing else really could have been, and you know, the sort of lower down experiences. I think they classify mine as a class B, which I didn't have a face to face, But there's really no other explanation for the incident. I'll go into the incident a minute, But that incident, which again i'll detail in a second, that incident sort of led me deeper down the path of interest in the bigfoot thing particularly, and I think around that time, probably within a short period of time of that incident, I was already watching in that general space of time Monster Quest a lot, getting more and more interested in the topic. Then Matt's show came on Finding Bigfoot. I became a religious viewer of that. Then I became an obsessive reader of bigfoot stuff. There was a two three four year period there that I was taking every big foot book you could ever find out a library. The LA Public Library probably has a check in registration for me on every big foot book they've ever brought through their library system. And I remember being the weird guy on the beach in Cancun with my wife on vacation. While she's reading the regular Danielle Steele romance novel, I'm reading like Bigfoot and you could have happened, you know, you know, and there's people walking down a Caribbean beach kind of doing a double taken. What the hell's on the cover of that guy's book, you know, just a very odd bunch of reading in the Bahamas, you know. But that was sort of you know, how intensively I got into it after my own incident. I just dove in, reading and reading hundreds and hundreds of pages as often as I could on everything, watching and dvring everything. And then somewhere about twenty fourteen fifteen, you know, I'd been a comedian a long time. I'd been a radio guy before that on the East Coast, but about twenty four to fift twenty fourteen fifteen, you know, it had becomes so commonplace backstage at every stand up show I was doing in LA to hear comedians talking about their podcasts, and I was really resistant to doing one. My attitude about podcast at that time was I was a radio guy. I did all that already, like I want to do that again. It felt like a backwards move to me, And it also felt in my mind like a backwards move to less legitimate, a less legitimate version of radio, like podcasting was relatively new, and I was like I was on the real radio in New York, in Philadelphia, Like I'm going to go sit in front of a microphone in front of my house and I hope someone notices, you know, like that. That's what it felt like to me. So I really resist. I was one of the last comedian holdouts. But then one day, you know, at the height of my obsessive reading, obsessive TV watching or the big Foot thing, after my incident, I am in the shower and it suddenly occurs to me, what if I do a podcast that Bigfoot is in the construct? What if I don't do the David Ray show, the John Jones show, like every other comic was doing. They were all doing just their name, the show, you know, and their shows were all essentially the same thing, their name. A couple of comedians I know, around their kitchen table with a you know, recorder, recording and uploading it. You know, there was there wasn't really an actual window frame around, you know, around it, and I and I was in the shower and day where I get my best ideas. If I if I spend all day in the shower, I'd be running the world. I mean, my, You've never met a better shower thinker than me. So I'm in the showering day and it occurs to me, what if I do a podcast that's a comedian podcast, but there's a construct around it. Comedians talking about Bigfoot was the construction in that case. And I got together with a friend of mine at the time, comedian friend of mine who I felt like I had funny conversations with in real life about these sort of things like that. I had a good kind of chemistry with him about these topics, and I, you know, I thought, like, I guess the a co host guy is necessary, and it's someone I can talk to about this. So I asked him if you wanted to be on it with me for a while, and then I started booking comedian friends of mine and we did the first few episodes that way, with like, you know, someone from some Bigfoot show I saw, someone from some Bigfoot documentary I saw. And after the first few episodes, the co host comedian friend of mine kind of moved off because there was just too many people in the room. Was like one or two comics and him and a paranormal a paranormal person. It was too crowded a space, so the co host guy kind of moved out of the picture. I stayed with a comedian, me and a paranormal guy, or two comedians, me and a paranormal guy. And by episode seven the thing had a TV deal with the guys who had made Monster Class actually, and then we went and did a full pilot, you know, shot for a week. I was executive user and host, and I cast a couple of comedians in it. There's a very long story about why that never aired, but it never aired. And then I went back to the drawing board. After like a year of playing in that sandbox, I went back to the drawing board and decided I'm going to do a podcast again, and that became Montrosity that I do. Now. You know, I can tell you about the sighting the two thousand and seven thing if you want. Yeah, I'd love to hear it before you dive into it. I wanted to say this, I don't want to pet you off. I don't like doing that two thousand and sevens when I had my weird sighting, which is why I do my podcast, I thought, the little synchronicity is from the same year or whatever's kind of interesting. But now, well, if your if yours was upstate New York, is really gonna get interesting. No, mine was here in Indiana, about five miles from where I live up so that's even worse. If I had to if I knew us five miles from where it's happened to me, i'd probably moved by now. It only happened at one time. It's never happened again. But it was definitely definitely something that makes me kind of think. But no, go ahead, and I'd love to hear it. Yeah. My thing was the fall of two thousand and seven. I was on the East Coast, where I'm from, originally visiting with my father and things, you know, in part of like a kind of week long trip that was really built around Genesis concerts. Anyone who listens to my podcast knows that I'm the world's biggest Genesis fan, and I managed to ram raw Genesis into every episode of my paranormal podcast. I could have someone off from the Brady Bunch or someone on from you know, Seinfeld and I will somehow jam a genesis question, and just as a joke, like it's a running joke with my audience, I always somehow crowbar genesis question. But that that's from my genesis obsession. Two thousand and seven, they had embarked on what was expected to be their last tour, and it probably should have been, and I flew back east to see them in New York a couple of nights, and while we were on the East Coast, my wife and I went to upstate New York to my father's vacation home Upstate New York. That home, as it turns out, and I didn't know this at the time because I wasn't so bigfooty at the time, but that home, as it turns out, is like twenty minutes from Whitehall, New York, which is like the Bigfoot hotspot of upstate New York. But that would have been a meaningless statement to make to me at that time. I now know that that's an important geographic location. So we went up to the house and the house is a log cabin, very sturdy built log cabin like four bedrooms deep in the woods way up on a private property my father owned that was fifty five acres and the house was at the plateau of the of the fifty five acres up you know, a fence closed road that you had to open my lock and physically open and drive up a cobble road, you know, through the tree line to way up high off to the plateau to get to this house. So there's what I'm trying to set for you there is that there are no neighbors. You know, the nearest neighbor is if you're the maybe on the deck of the house looking way out in the distance, maybe binocular, you might see a house way out there, you know, a mile away or something, but it's there's no one walking around up there. And one evening on that two night trip, my wife was out standing on the balcony ten o'clock at night or something, looking through the telescope at the crystal clear night that you have there with the stars. She's not at all interested in these topics like you or I are, and and isn't versed in these sort of things. And it's not spooked a person as I am. I'm very easily frightenable, if that's a word. She's not as much like her. But I noticed watching her through the living room that she keeps kind of looking through the telescope and stopping, you know, kind of left and right, gazing like something's going on in here, and then going back to the telescope. And happened three or four times. And then finally she pokes her head and it says to me, you know that it's creepy out here, like she feels like she's being watched. That a little while ago, a rabbit came running by out of nowhere. She's hearing kind of stirring in the bushes out in the tree line. You know, she's kind of she's not feeling right about here. And then she she kind of gave up from all that with her looking and came in. I didn't give it a lot of thought after that. Fast forward now to you know, three in the morning that same night, we're sound asleep. We're in the guest bedroom, which is on one side of the house. My father and my stepmother on the other side of the house in their bedroom. We're the only four people in the house. And late at night, in the dead of night, I was talking like three three in the morning, you know, three three in the morning. Something pounds on the wall right next to our heads in the middle of the woods in the guest bedroom. Boom boom boom. You know, I'm talking like hits it so hard, like a freight train. I mean, like way harder than a human could hit something without shattering their hand into dust, you know. And we both jump up from dead asleep in the pitch dark. And this is one of the weirdest parts of the story. We jump up, look at each other and go, the hell was what was that? And we both kind of and just fall right back down like marionettees you know, whose strings were cut, fall right back down, right back to sleep. Now, I can tell you that if that happened here at home in la or really any other place I could ever imagine anything, Ben, I would think either one or both of us would have been curious enough to get up and peak the Venetian blinds what the hell is that? You know? But we didn't do that. And I was talking about this story with a bigfoot knowledgeable person recently who said to me that bigfoots use infrasound. And I think the bigfoot put you back down because there is no explanation for why we had this happen and two feet away from where we're laying at the head of the bed is the Venetian blinds, right next to where this would have happened. All it would have taken to be face to face with this thing would have been essentially a lean over on the bed different than you, no different than you would grab a tissue or something to blow your nose, you know, and a peeking through the blinds. And I would have been face to face with something. But instead of any level of curiosity the normal person would have presumably had in this case, we both what the hell do like like like a hypnotist putting you back down? You know, that's weird, and it is really weird. In hindsight. I'm glad that that happened, because anyone who listened to my podcast knows that I am not dying to meet one of these things. And we would have been face to face, window pane separated, and I would probably still be unconscious in that room right now, having fainted with not enough smelling swell salts to ever wake me ever again. So I'm kind of glad. I didn't look, but I didn't look, and she didn't look, and we went back to sleep and the next day we did. We were aware of it. Next day we did to talk about it, the how was that last night? You know? And I kind of remember looking around by the window, but there was grass up to the window. There would be no imprints, grass and like a little shrubs for a call, there would be nothing that something would have stepped in that left the mark the hitting, and the window itself felt like it was ten feet high. At least the window would looked like it was in that range of height. I would say, so, whatever hit, you know, did something like raised its arm bam? You know, that would be high right, you know, near right near it somewhere. My father's an ex cop. He's an ex New York cop, and he thinks like that, and you know, it's very curt and his answers, and so I remember saying to him, like, did you hear anything weird? Lesson? He's like, what are you talking about? And I told him what it was and he goes, it was probably a deer. And I'm thinking to myself, if it was the deer, that deer would be laying there dead right now, Like what did they leap up, you know and run flush into a wall, Like what his head would be shattered, you know. And then I, you know, thought about that, he'd probably the next thing he'd probably says, could have been a bear. Well, there's barely any bears up there, but let's say it was a bear, Like, that's a weird thing for a bear to do, to walk up and bang on the wall. You're definitely not a person. There's no people up there, and and nothing could have hit this hard without really hurting itself. I mean, we're talking about it really a solid, solid log cabin that was smashed banged like, you know, with a force and a ferocity of banging. That is not something I feel like you or I could have done. I doubt, I doubt. If I doubt, you could have hit the thing even pretty hard and I would have heard it. That's how sturdy a lot. We're not talking about like a flimsy cabin that blows in the wind. We're talking about like logs, you know, or agon log So over time after that, I got more mortgaged in the topic monster quest finding boofoot, got more and more well read on it, and as I did, I started seeing more and more incidents like this one. The guy in the cabin in Minnesota. This happened to the guy in you know b c that this happened to you know, in a cabin one time. You know, it sort of sounded like my story. And then I started to ask my father more questions, and he would say idiotic things that ended up being very relevant. Idiot. I say idiotic because they're so relevant that it's unbelievable. He left him out the first time I asked him. He would say things like nothing weird up there. You know. If I'd say, like, do you ever see you never saw anything weird up there? He said, no, nothing weird, and then he would just kind of go I mean a couple of times we found a dead deer, like on the gravel driveway that goes up to the property, you know, like his back leg will be broken and kind of laying there, and I thought, oh, that's weird. We must have a mountain lion or something. Yeah, but that's about it. You know, things that clearly a bigfoot kill, you know, or he would you would say that, uh. I remember they had a dog run and he would say like, oh, you know, we put the dog out on the dog run and we'd come back and she would never want to out there ever again, she'd be like, no, I don't like that dog run like she wasn't usually like that, but she didn't ever want to be putting the dog run again. Things that just were always like watch, you know, and you know, and then by right, and then as I as I become more and more familiar with the things from what I'm reading and watch, I realized that we're talking about an area that's really twenty twenty five minutes from Whitehall, New York, which is the site of numerous Bigfoot intendences, right on the same chain of mountains, same county, you know, twenty five minutes away. So I realized I'm actually in a hot spot as I read more, you know, when this incident happens. Have you ever been back up there and look for anything specifically on your own? You know, it's weird. No, you know what's weird? No, I haven't because I'm rarely on the East Coast now as it is, unless I'm there for you know, something really work related, you know, TV, you know related or something. I'm rarely on the East Coast. And my father sold that property after we had it for gazillion years and having nothing to do with this story. He sold that property within a few years of that, within like three years of that, and you know, just changed his whole life configuration. He had like three homes I think at the time, and that was one of the ones he dumped. And he's now primarily in Florida. So it just the house, the property itself left my family. Now, it was in my family since the sixties, you know, since before I was born. It was in my family, and I remember that property in our family before there was even a house built. He didn't build the house till about seventy nine maybe, And I remember before the house was built in the mid seventies as a little boy going up there with my parents. We would we'd go upstate in New York. It was like a four hour drive from where we lived on the Long Island. We'd go State New York four times a year, like kind of once a season to visit the property. We just sort of visit this empty property we have, and we'd stay in a motel, you know, in town, and you know, eat at the diner and you know, you know, do things you know, rural folk would do. You know, we were normally suburban city folk, and this was like a rural weekend that we'd river rafting and things like that. I loved it as a kid, But when we physically go to the property. During those trips, what I mainly remember is we park on the side of the road at the bottom of the hills. Even like our gravel driveway that went all the way up to the top of the mountain wasn't built yet, Like nothing was built. So we park on the side of the road and my father and I would just get out of the station wagon, you know, we have one of those station wagons, like with the fake paneling on the side thing, you know, the seventies stage. You get on a station wagon and we'd you know, kind of like with sticks in our hand, kind of through the shrubs, you know, walk up this mountain, you know, like stepping in in the fall, stepping in tons of leaves and not in the fall, stepping in tons of pine cones, and you know, whipping through these My father saying to me, every you know, twenty feet or so, be careful for snakes. Make sure there's no copper heads. Like, ain't not terrified me like copperheads as we up this mountain. And then we'd get to the top where ultimately the house was built, but it wasn't cleared out yet. You know, at this point in the seventies, we'd kind of get to like the top, you'd realize you're at a plateau and kind of just stand there. It's very right out of like a comedy of like a vacation or something. We just kind of stand there and you know, my father, you know, his hands on his hips, kind of looking around all right, all right, you know, and and me as a little kid standing next to him, you know, up to his waist, come yeah, you know, we're here on the top of this property, you know, you know, and he'd go by, the trees are getting big this year, you know, you know, just and then we'd go back down and like this is a weekend visiting this property. So I remember going to this property for years and years. And it's unbelievable that I wasn't older and didn't have bigfoot knowledge at that time, because if I was older than I am and had big foot knowledge at that time, and this incident, say it happened, you know, you know when I was eighteen years old, and suppose I was eighteen years old, you know, much longer ago than I was. I might have I might have had like essentially a big Foot habituation site, like like, who knows, I could have been like a twenty five year old really knowledge about this stuff, you know, with a property that's essentially a habituation site, like you know, It's just it's just I learned about these things, you know, after the incident, and then I'm never back on the property again. So yeah, well, all the fascination of the Bigfoot and everything else, you didn't go back to the property because they got rid of the property your dad did. Has there been any other times where you've ever wanted to go out and look? You said, you you don't really want to see one face to face again, But out in California you're not too fast from the web post from Bigfoot. Yeah. Free for all that tough guy talk I just did about habituation sites, I can tell you I'm very glad I don't have one. As I've said on both of my podcasts many many times, I am most comfortable hunting for Bigfoot from the ledge of a hotel that can oversee the woods. And so the answer really is no, I really am different from you know, the researcher type, like I I'm not get your hands dirty guy. You know, when I first started doing this show, I had met Moneymaker on He's now been on like three episodes of this but and I've gotten to know n pretty well. But after the first or second time he was on, he invited me to join him at a location he goes through privately that he said he has incidents at all the time, and he just goes by himself and sits there and like he's it's almost like money money in the bank. No pun attended money and money Maker, but money in the bank kind of location for him, you know. And he said to me, you know, why don't you you come down? He lives south of me, like more San Diego, Orange County, Ish and and he said, why need you to drive down? And you know, Friday, and we'll get my car and we'll go to this place. I'm telling you you're going to see something, you know, And I said, that would be an incredible podcast. He goes record it. He goes, you can record it if you want, but but you don't reveal where we went. But but I'm telling you you're gonna see something. And even though I said that would be incredible podcast. In my mind, I knew instantly I am not going to this, like like unless he and I are showing up with army rangers, you know, who are surrounding our vehicle with their vehicles and a lot of weaponry, I won't be there, you know. And I turned that down. It's so funny because you know, anyone else listening to me right now who's interested in these topics, Certainly anybody else that hosts a show like this one would probably be like this was like a golden opportunity, Like what kind of idiot didn't go to this? Like I'm the idiot that didn't go to this, Like I this is not for me, you know, and that you know I'm I'm like a hand off bigfoot investigator. I'm the idiot that would say, uh, if I ever saw Bigfoot, I'm gonna be the one chasing after it. Everyone always forgets to record. And I made comments about it, and I've seen some weird stuff out in my backyard. We said as UFO a couple of months ago, and for whatever reason, I made comments about how no one ever records it, and my dumb ass didn't even think a lot on my phone and record this weird light hovering out back. So I was like, I understand now why people forget to do that because you see things, and I just I yelled for my wife, I yelled for my son, but never wanted, I think to pull out my phone and record it literally is in my pocket, but I just didn't do it. So, yeah, you know, one of the great things about living in Los Angeles. You know, you're in a major city area and you don't expect, certainly to see bigfoot in your you know, a popular area like this, and and and there's so many lights in the sky, so many helicopter chases and airplanes come come in going from the Tamil and airports around here, that you don't think that much off the lights to go by, Like it's not it's not like that, like that's an unusual thing. Nothing looks unusual. So you know, that's one of the you know, and you heard me right, That's one of the great things in my interpretation about Los Angeles is that I didn't have to get scared very often. If I were you where I'm living in an area where like I feel like I just saw something in my yard, I'd be gone already, like it would be like ricochet rabbit, like I'd just be out. I sold this house, had a gigantic loss and been gone. The first time we moved into this house, there was some rid stuff going on, But this is unrelated to that. We have goats and I have a couple of acres kind of like a little little mini farm out here in Indiana. Well, one night I was out back go make sure the goats got put up because we have coyote running around, and there was a full moon. And as I'm walking out towards their barn, there's a tree and next to the tree, I see what was just a silhouette from the moonlight that looked like the devil, like the picture with the horns and everything. It was the goat. It was standing up against the tree, eating at the tree. But with a silhouette. All I could see was the enoughright standing go ahead. And I was like, that literally scared the ship. Yeah, my I mean, my first thought as you tell that story is this is like the phrase that popped into my head, how did he survive this? That's that's not a survival event. That's such a terrifying visual that I'd have been knocked unconscious. I might still be laying there. I'll tell you about my actual encounter off air, because I don't want to talk about it on air. I've done it enough. I don't want to. We've heard the story. I try not to ever bring it up that oftum. Sometimes people ask me like, I'll tell you off air, but no when it comes to scene weird things. Just recently, I went out last week and someone said that they saw flying humanoids a few miles from out here, like where I live. Out there's a old Indian or Native American seventery. No, well there is one of those two, but this whole area is from they were called the Miami Indians. It's not a reservation, but they have like their own little tribe area and out here there's a reservoir where they build a dam through here. It was out around that area, and I'm only about fifteen minutes from there. Someone said they've seen it person walking in the road, and when they got up closer they realized it wasn't a person. It was something that looked like they were wearing a coat, but it wasn't code. It had wings and it took all flying and well like a week later, someone else seen the same thing in another area. So me and my kid and my buddy went out last week and looking for these things, and all I seen was a bunch of deer. I didn't find any flying humanoids out there. But I live in an area where there's a lot of it. Do you live in a terrifying area? You live in an area the should you should have security. You know, you need to hire you know, a half dozen people to stand around at all times. Twenty four to seven I was living there, that would have happened ready. But no, this is a like I said, I kind of live out in the middle of nowhere, so I get to see all the crazy stuff, I guess. But yeah again, yeah, it teaches own you know, like I mean, you're your most people interested in this topic. They want to see that want they want to know, They want to know more. They hope to have a face to face, you know. I admit I'm in this very unusual group of This is fascinating to me. Keep it away from me. It's fascinating from a distance, right right, a safe distance. I know a few people that are very skeptical about a lot of this type of like things that I talk about and that's fine. I'm very skeptical myself to an extent, but once you see something or experience something that makes you more open minded. Like I always watch monster quests, I watch Finding Big Fan everything. But back before I had my experience, I would watch that stuff because it interests me. But there's a little bit about I had doubts of it. I was like, eh, I bet this was actually something else whatever, Like I didn't really take it one hundred percent seriously. But then all of a sudden, it's just like, wait a minute, he didn't explain this, what could it possibly be? And then you're like you you start going down that rabbit hole, start looking into things, and more and more and more you dig, and then here I am, seventeen years later doing a freaking podcast about this stuff. So it is. It's an incredible you know, well of stuff, fascinating stuff. As obviously we all know it makes great television, you know, obviously been whole television networks dedicated to these subjects. You know, that's not an accident, you know, But but yeah, I'm an unusual cat in terms of you know, I love watching it, hearing about it, just not being there I want to talk a little bit more about your show what you're doing now. What are some of the guests you've Like, Who are some of the guests you've had on there, and some of the things that they've talked about, anything weird sightings or anything from that. Yeah, it's not a requirement of any of them. I mean in the paranormal space, I've had all, you know, loads of people that other paranormal podcasts have had on from Matt Moneymaker I mentioned earlier, to Bill Burns from Ancient Aliens and Linda Moulton Howe was on my old podcast. I'm forgetting all the people, but you know, bazillions of UF people from ghost Adventures, people from all the things. You would think that, yeah, they've all been in my show. In the celebrity world, that's that's where my guests are more unusual for the show. I tend to try to, for the most part, book people that I have some kind of an interest in. It could be that they're iconic and you know, they go back to my childhood in some way, Like I had Mike dmone, Robert Romanez for Mike and Fast Times, a Ridgemon High one of the greatest movies ever. You know, the movie for My teen Years. You know, the moone is sitting there in the studio with me. You know. I've had Daisy Duke from The Dukes of Hazzard, I had Lennie Anderson. Those are all like examples of iconic Brady bunch of people like that. But I've also had you know, sort of more recent icons. Natasha Henstridge from Species came in andto it. Olivia Diaba from The Wonder Years came in and did it. Christina Lochan from Terminator three did it. She was t X and Terminator three. Kelly who was on a recent episode from Scorpion King the most most recent episode is is uh, Jennifer lees Cox who was Jan Brady and the Brady Bunch of movie. I've had rock stars on John Anderson from Yes Uh, Steve Hackett from Genesis Again. What the commonality that all these people have is that they're pretty much always from something I'm very interested in. I'm a big fan of Seinfeld, So Kenny Banya from Sign the you know, Stephen Heidner has been on my show. I'm a big fan of I was as a you know, you know, crushing kid, a huge fan of Daisy Duke, so Daisy Duke can't walking in. You know, everybody knows the Brady bunch, so Peter Brady can't walking into did an episode? You know, like like I have to have a point of view. Basically, I don't like I don't enjoy it as much having someone on that. I'm more like, who is this again? You know? I have to I like when I have a pretty strong point of view about who it is, be it somebody from the eighties and or somebody you know from a show that I'm watching right now. I like to have a strong point of view about who it is. Like the episode, the episode we're about to do, is someone from a current show, and I've been watching the show a lot, so like I'm I'm interested in the person because I watched the show a lot. I wouldn't be dying to have someone on from a show I don't really watch. No, So the way I do mine is like, literally, no, none of these people. It's just people will reach out to me, they've had experiences because I wanted to give a platform for people too. That's fine. Different, you know, it's you go coming in it from different perspectives, doing it differently. I have access in different ways than you do because I'm in Los Angeles, so you know, running around the comedy scene. In my old podcast, you know, I had the name Comedians and the title, and I'm a comedian, so of course I know hundreds of comedians. It wasn't difficult for me to book them. You know. It's just all about where you are, who you have access to, And it would be very difficult for you to say to Lonnie Anderson, come into my studio and do the show. I could say that in LA and she did come walking in. Yeah no, I might all be offering anyone to come into my studio because my studio is currently my basement and I don't really want some people. I mean, that's funny, but but I mean all jokes aside, Like the guy from the Brady Bunch didn't he'd have He'd have to happen to be in that part of Indiana at that moment. It's a different, well, you know concept for you to do my kind of show. It depends where you are. Yeah no, there's definitely like with you being in LA you have so much more access than what I would say ninety nine point nine percent of the podcasting world. Does every bit of his name drove over from twenty minutes away? Yeah, yeah, with me, Like, I honestly think I've only interviewed maybe a couple of people from Indiana. But I'm almost on the episode one hundred now, I'm like, I don't even most of these people. I've had people from Australia. I've had people from Sweden, so it's like it's all over the place. And well that I mean, you know that, And that's you know, one of the things when you do in the show and you have some remotely you can't have anybody on from anywhere. You could have the locked this Monster guy from Scotland, which I do have them on the Brady Bunch episode, I have a locked this Monster guy from Scotland. But you know, the if I had to pick one overriding common theme to the celebrity guests on my show, I think I think I would choose the word iconic that I would say is the if there's a consistency it's not every episode, but if there's a consistency to who I've had on its celebrities, it's people that are sort of like at their point in time of celebrity. They were household name iconic. Lannie Shadow Stevens, you know, was very, very famous at the Highday's career. Who doesn't know the Brady Bunch, Peter Brady from the Brady Mautch came walking and did my show, you know. And then when I have, like I said, when I have more recent people on, like Natasha Henstridge, Species is you know, a movie that probably most of his audience knows she's the beautiful blonde species. You know, So there's not you know, the demon from Fast Times is an iconic character that I would say if there's if there's an overriding theme, I mean, now I'm thinking of all of them. I had Robert Kardine coming into the show. He's the star of Revenge of the Nerds, another iconic teen movie from the eighties. You know. So if I had to pick a you know, a sort of word that sums up what I think they sort of most have in common, it's that it's that iconic thing. M hm. No, I think that's a cool approach because again, what I do, I'm clearly not the only one that does this, and you don't really hear very many celebrities on shows like that, at least I'm not aware of when it comes to this sort of field. So definitely is something for my listeners to go out and check if they have any interest about some of that stuff. Yeah, and some of them, not all of them. Some of them had paranormal stories. I mean, you know, from UFO things to bigfoot to ghost things. I never make that a requirement of the celebrity. You know, it's understood like you don't have to have had a ghost insident to talk to me, you know, but they, I could say, almost more often than not they surprise me with one. It seems like that may be part of why they become interested in doing the show. So, you know, my assistant reaches out to whoever, and then they come back with y'all do that show. And they don't say that they're interested in doing it because they had a UFO incident, But it turns out like that probably was why they agreed to do the show, because they're trying to tell somebody this and it turns out that they end up telling me that. So so I had a lot of you know, seemingly revelatory paranormal incidents come out of the mounds of these people on my show, and then besides that, we always talk about their careers and their personal lives in ways that I think are pretty depthy and full of unusual, usually funny, quirky kind of questions. But I have like a you know, unusual, interesting conversations with these people that are different than the standard interview you've maybe seen them do on a late night talk show or some other podcasts, where you know, the guy from Star Trek is asked the things you think he'd be asked. I have a way of coming up with the three or four things he wouldn't expect them to be asked, and it always produces an interesting dynamic. I've actually been wondering here. So you heard the Knox, you didn't actually see what made the Knox, and that's what got you down the whole Bigfoot pathway. What do you actually think Bigfoot is? I know there's a lot of different things. There's the wo factor to some people, there's flesh and blood. There's I can answer. I can answer that. I have the controversial opinion of this controversial meaning it's the Bigfoot. Purists hate me when I say this, but I think some type of an alien explanation is the is the most logical explanation. And the reason I think that is because it's it's too difficult to explain how there aren't more uh specific types of sightings and specific types of flesh and blood results of sightings. And there are, and there are certain things that happen in certain sightings. I'll I'll get specific about what I mean in each of those statements in a minute. But there are too many things about bigfoot sightings that if it was just a pure and simple flesh and blood creature, I think we'd have more evidence of that. We would have probably had the dead or shot wounded bigfoot that left a lot of blood in its way as it ran away. We would have not had incidents like these. And there's many of these where a person raises a camera or a gun to a bigfoot and they actually hear a telepathic mental you know, voice say to them, put it down or I'm going to hurt you, you know, and they and the person actually lowers their rifle it puts down there. Yeah, you know, why does that happening? That's alien kind of stuff. There's too many incidents of bigfoots that blinked out of sight to the person. The person was literally looking at something ten feet away from it and they raised their camera or they raised their rifle and in a flash, it disappeared. There there's incidents bigfoots are seen on flear cameras but not seen to the naked eye. These are all you know, translos into alien ish sounding things. There's too many big foot ins instead of evolve a UFO sighting. There's too many big foot insins that involve people seeing a bigfoot or two or three march into or out of a UFO. Then there's the Blue Planet Project, the you know, leaked government document that says that bigfoots are a known alien species known to the US government and referred to in the in the book as WAD Diggs w A I d G. I'm not familiar with a look that up the Blue Planet Project, So you know, they're, according to that document, a known alien species, you know, amongst the more sort of commonly known grays and other things. You know, there's there's too many things that point in that direction, and too many things that haven't happened that should have by now if it was straight up flesh and blood creature. I'm glad you a line on that side, because that's kind of how I am too. I don't think it's just a straight up missing link primate running around because there would have been more evidence at some point someone would have ran one like shot one ran it over trucking through just a telepathy, just athy the telepathy thing alone that I just mentioned is and it kind of ends this discussion. I've said everything I just said on my show, and I've said everything I just said to Matt Moneymaker, who is, in my opinion, mister Bigfoot, Like I don't. I don't consider any other bigfoot person on television or in the you know, research community more valid, passionate, and knowledgeable than him period. Like to me, he's the John Lennon you know of Bigfoot. This is There's him, and then we start talking about other people. That's how I view him when it comes to him. Like I haven't watched the show in a long time, but I know when it first came out, me and some of my buddies were like, is that really The guy's name is the last name money Makers? Everyone, it's a great isn't a great name? It's a great name. Everyone to like it as a joke because it just seems like he's moneymaker and he's on a show about Bigfoot. Everyone didn't take him seriously, and he's monetized the Bigfoot. Yeah, but but I mean it's a great name. Actually, but I I've said this alien stuff to him on my show. I don't remember which episode he's been on three, maybe on at least two of the three I've given. You know, I've taken him down this road, and he's talked more openly on my show on one of those interviews, it was either episode two or either his second or third appearance that I kind of feel like we talked about it more. He's talked about this aspect of it more on my show than I've ever seen him talk about this aspect of it anywhere else. Because to watch Matt talk about Bigfoot on his show or on other shows, he sounds like nothing but straight up flesh and blood old school bigfoot. You know, it's a you know, a hominid, you know, you know, the real old school. There's not an ounce of consideration to this sort of stuff. It sounds like to listen to him on television, but on my show, he he he sounded like he has some wig room in this conversation like he I had him, you know, seeming more open to this than I would have even expected him to be. There's just too many instances and reports of strangeness that you can't just say it's flesh and blood, because it's like you said, with the telepathy, the disappearing, like people find tracks, you know, one might see a track or who those just completely disappeared or where did they go? Well, eye witness sightings of Bigfoot's coming and going from UFO, there's a lot of those settings. No, there's just a whole lot of strange activity and a lot of people see orbs around them too, like little flow balls right of light right and then they're just too much strange actavit just to write it off as an unknown or or or take a documentary series like David Paulidi's Thing with the Missing Missing for one one, yeah, yeah, he had one that I watched a couple of years ago, Missing for One one, the Hunted I think it was called, and it was It was one of the greatest documentaries I've ever seen, you know, really compelling, one of one of the greatest. And it's I mean, it's it's it's really a big Foot documentary. I mean he's he's saying without outright saying it. He's saying to you, the viewer, fill in the blanks for me here, like what else did this? That's really what his documentary is saying through the whole thing without him actually saying it. And if you focus in on the details of the incidents that he goes through in that documentary, again, it points to the Bigfoot thing being some type of an alien origin thing because there's there's two many incidents. There's too many parts of the incidents he goes through that don't make sense for a flesh and blood creature, like the you know, the the way that the person's never seen again, But their boots are found six miles from where the thing, you know, where they were last known to be seen, and their jacket has found two miles from that, and their watch and their cell phone are found a mile from that, and all of that is eight thousand feet up in mountains. They could never have walked up in ten feet of snow, and searchers have already been through those areas a number of times and there was nothing there, and now there was on the second search three months later, all of that is stuff only an alien could have planted and done and moved around and popped into these locations. Points to that too, I've noticed lately, and I could be on the spectrum of this belief as well. But people keep throwing the we're interdimensional around and to me, it's like, I don't know what is interdimensional? I don't know what's not Like is that even a real thing? I mean, I know science claims there's a possibility, but we say aliens. Technically that would be an alien. They're not from here exactly. I don't I see that as sort of a synonym. I mean interdimensional. Okay, I'll go with that too, you know what I mean, Like, I don't think you're saying something much different than alien when you use words like interdimensional. I think that that you're really talking about the same thing. At the end of the day, what we're the bottom line is if we're not from here. Yeah, if we're gonna tell an alien or interdimensional, we're what we're not talking about is this evolved gorilla thing. No. No, that's that's the pathway that I've started to go down. And I never really heard much about interdimensional up until the last couple of years, and that's when I started actually doing this podcast. I never really thought much about it, but the more and more I started talking to people and looking into stuff, I was like, it does mean like it does start to add up to where a lot of this stuff doesn't make sense in the whole flesh and blood realm. Because for a long time I just assumed, like when people said they've seen bigfoot, I was like, well, I guess it could be like a missing link or something like. I know there used to be the big tall gigantipithecus or whatever they had out in China, supposedly like ten foot tall orrangutang looking thing. I was like, I could see I guess maybe some of those surviving off who knows. But anymore, I was like, there's just no way it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I'm with you on that. And again, I think it's the second time Matt's on the show that I that we talk about this bit, and I was amazed that he was as open to this discussion as he was. I was expecting that he would just shut me down. I thought it was I thought I was walking into a minefield when I went there with him. I remember being surprised by his reaction. I've actually reached out the Cliff before from the show. I've never heard back from him. I've always wanted to talk to him because he reminds me, for some reason of my friend, Like this is the way he talks and acts and everything else, like my buddy. He just puts me in mind to him. I thought he'd be a nice person to talk with. But yeah, he's a very sunny guy. I've never had him on either, but I mean he always of the four of them on the show, he had the sort of sunniest disposition. Yeah, really nice guy to talk to. I had Bobo on the old show The Comedians talking about Bigfoot. I think he's on the last episode of that. By the way, the comedians of about Bigfoot shows are still online. People ask me sometimes if they can still hear those because I talk about them sometimes in interviews, and you know, Monstrosity's obviously easy to find. It's the current I guess I do, and it's on every platform. But people said to me, where's comedians talking about about Bigfoot? I don't see that one. It's on our Patreon, it's it's behind the Patreon wall. So you know, communitys talking about big Foot when it was new, When when it was the only podcast I had, it was on all the platforms. Now it's only on our patreon, but but all the episodes can be found there if you want to include links to wherever I'll put in my show notes, so anyone listening can easily find your podcast and your Patreon and everything else. Well, the clearinghouse is montrositypodcast dot com. I mean, as long as they go to monstrositypodcast dot com, they find everything there's. You can get to our Patreon, they can get to our merchandise, you can get to our and you can see all the platforms that the podcast is on, which is the one they'd expected to be on. Well, has there been anything else you've ever experienced you'd want to talk about? Or is that kind of the one thing that stood out the most too? There's a UFO thing, not as it's not as sort of monumental is my Bigfoot story, but but I mean this is sort of more conventional UFO siding here in LA. A handful of years ago, I was driving in La heading to Burdbank, I think or something for TV meeting, and I was just driving due east from from the west part of La on surface streets, middle of the day, two o'clock in the afternoon or something, on a sunny afternoon and clear sky, you know, typical La spring summer, kind of clear sky day. And I'm sitting in a traffic light at a major intersection, you know, perfectly normal moment when I look up, you know, at the sky, and I could see in the distance straight ahead of me, these glinting silver objects, like a half dozen of them, just seemingly way up high, kind of passing each other, you know, changing positions from each other. And one goes to the right, another one goes to the left. Another the one that went to the right then goes towards the one to the left, and then he moves to the right, and the other one circles in and goes into the middle. There's kind of I'm moving around, dancing around each other, you know, and not like balloons, where balloons would only go in one direction below like you know, in this case, like one is moving to the left and then like it stops moving the left, stops on a dime and then goes down a little bit, then comes up and goes back up to the right, you know, you know, navigating these ways and it they're just kind of glinting in the sun way seemingly way up high where they're very small, but the illusion at least would be they're very very high up. And just do ahead of me, dead east, you know, and I'm so fascinated by it while I'm at this long traffic light that I decided to make a right turn and pull onto into like a little parking lot that faces that way, So like I should have made a right when on block and pulled into a parking space that's just facing deweys, so I can just keep watching this sitting still not being traffic. And I watch it another three four minutes. I call my wife teller what I'm watching, and and I realized that, you know, looking at the clock and things, I have to liam on the way to something, to an appointment, to a meeting. So I decided, you know, and I'm still heading east, just don't be late for the meeting, but just keep my eyes on this thing as I keep going east. And then once I continued east, like within a few blocks, i'm you know, they started to be trees interrupting my view and then I don't know if I don't know if they vanished or I just lost sight from the angle I'm now moving at and you know, going east, but I no longer had eyes on it. Later on, when I got home, I ended up looking on YouTube using all kinds of descriptives that fit what I saw, like you know, small objects, half dozen glinting in the light, seeming you know, changing the varying, varying searches. I'm doing that describe what I basically saw, and ended up seeing quite a few uf videos that really looked like what I just saw. Like people, you know, the guy in Italy, the guy in Spain that saw this or saw that three years ago, four years ago, and it was just like what I just saw today, you know, and that and this was being posted as very good ufovideo and I'm like, that's what I saw today. It's the same thing I saw. I don't mean I saw the same craft or the same group of crafts, but I mean, like, what this guy in Seville, Spain is calling a UFO siding is what I saw today. Yeah, I've got a picture on my phone. I showed it recently. I posted it back on my Facebook back when it come up on my memories. But we were flying back from somewhere in California. I think it was from Sacramento's where we had to stop for a layover, and then we flew from there to LA and then from LA to back here to Indiana by the way. Yes, so somewhere from LA to Indiana. Looked out the window and I have three lights out in the sky. You can see it's above the clouds, like it's above some clouds, but it's also below some other clouds, and they're in a straight line. And I watched those things for as far as we can and they never moved. So the whole time the plane was moving, those lights stayed in the same spots. I thought of something on the ground, but you can see that they're above the clouds, so I can't explain. It looks like metallic and the reflecting. It's strange. I think everyone has ever been on a flight that's interested in these topics as we are, you know, obsessively looks out of the window for the thing, you know, and you're the only guy I know that's gotten lucky like that. I never see anything, and I look, we all look, you know, that's like you always feel like that's the primo moment to maybe see something, especially if you're flying at night, like I've flown to Asia quite a bit, and you know, you're over the open ocean for a tremendous amount of time, you know, and like there's really nothing else to see, and like if you're going to see something, that's right now and you you know, David at least doesn't see anything because this is broad daylight. I'll email you the picture. And like I said, someone said it was a reflection from the inside, Like it wasn't a reflection because literally it was when we kept going to move and you couldn't see it anymore, So it was a reflection would have stayed in the same spot, like it wouldn't have been us traveling acid and it's still being in the same spot, like a state on the window. So it's fascinating. It was so fascinating as you could talk to the pilots who you know, saw the same thing that you saw. Yeah, nothing to say about it, you know, they didn't talk about it to you, They didn't talk about it to the cabin. They didn't make any announcements. They just sat there in that cockpit gone, oh god, we got company today, and just they they're hoping they're the only two in the whole place hip to this today, except they don't know that. In twenty three a there was you, yeah, looking out the window like, oh right right, look at that. Took a photo of it right now. At first I thought it was just something on the ground, like reflective, like metal. I was like, we're so high up, that wouldn't be on the ground reflecting that bright. And then I've realized that that you can see clouds going underneath of I was like, well, what's in the air, right, But that was back in twenty fifteen, so who the hell knows what that was. But so one time I got photo of something, I guess every other time I apparently just forget to take. Well that's good. I mean I haven't seen a lot of folks those from commercial planes by passengers I have. Yeah, now I've got one, Like I said, I'll email it to you here after we're done talking. Cool, Well, we can probably wrap this up. It's about that hour mark. And again you want to let the audience know where they can find your podcast, Monstrosity podcast dot com. They'll find their way to everything from there. They'll even find their way to David Race dot com if need be. But you know, once, once you're at monstrosi pot com, you've mont Trusty podcast dot com, you find your way to everything you got to find about this show. Awesome. I'll make sure to put that in the show notes too for anyone el's But David, it's been a pleasure love talking with you. Hope you enjoyed the night. Enjoyed talking with me too. I did you scared me? Now? Now I'll be right to loll got the window all night. But yeah, well wait till we're all fair, and I'll tell you what I saw on my scary some more too. So all right, well let me get let me get a valiant before well, thanks for listening, and we're gonna head on out of here. So thanks to David, and thanks for everyone to come on here to night and listen. So al right, everyone, remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the EndNote. All right, everyone,