Ep. 97: Breaking the Silence on Abductions

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us, and one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon. Right the ninth episode, we're gonna be joined by my guest Laura. Now. Laura has reached out to me within the past week about some experiences she had growing up. She wanted to have an opportunity to share those while she still can, and I was more and grateful to have her on here to talk to me about it. I know it's pretty hard and traumatic, for some people to share some of these experiences they've went through, but I do appreciate everyone that does. I know it's not easy. So with Laura and coming on here and sharing her experiences, I know it's going to be a little hard for her, but I do appreciate that before we bring her on. If you've ever had an experience or a story you'd like to share and you would like to be a guest of Tenfoiltels, please send an email to tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com, or you can go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. Either way works for me. Just make sure you get your message to me and we'll get something schedule for a future episode. You can also find me on Facebook look for Brandon tenfoil Tels. You can reach me that way too, we'll get something scheduled through that. 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I will be appearing at several different events as fall I've said in previous episodes. First one is September fourteenth, the big Foots and Bruise and Spirits two and Sister Lakes Brewing Company up into Wajack, Michigan. September twenty seven and twenty eighth at the Indiana Bookfoot Conference down in Nashville, Indiana. October nineteenth at Miami County four h Fairgrounds for the Pair Unity six Paranormal Convention. There's also October twenty six for the Crawfordsville Paranormal Convention in Crawfordville, Indiana. More information about those are included in the show notes, and as always, make sure to follow me on social media. I mentioned earlier brand in ten Foil Tels. It's the profile I've been using for ten foiltel now on Facebook. There's also the instagrams for I'm most active. You can reach out to me on either one of those, give me a follow keep up with ten Foil Tales. But now's time to bring Laura on again. I know this is not easy for people to come on and talk about certain things. For those that do, I truly do believe that they are helping others by letting them here. But they're not the only ones that have experienced these weird things. So for that I'm grateful. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I like to take time to welcome my guest today, Laura, Thanks for coming out here and talking to me. No, you're welcome. It's good to be on. You want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Okay, I'm a sixty five year old stay at home mom and I have four grown kids. And four grandkids, and my youngest son is bedridden. He's twenty five, and I pretty much stay home and take care of him most of the time. And you reached out to me. You said you had some experiences and stuff, and I don't know if you want to jump into it right away, but if you want to give a little explanation as to what the experience is, kind of entail before we dive into it. Okay, I've had a lot of supernatural experiences, I guess you could say, starting at age five in nineteen sixty three, and they were a surprise to me and not something I sought out of course, because I was a little kid, but it kind of went through my whole life. Every few years, another interaction would happen, and so I grew up knowing that UFOs and other beings are real, but I always felt like I shouldn't talk about it, like I wasn't allowed to talk about it. And when I did try finally at nine, after a very intense subduction, my parents at first said, oh, that was just a dream. You had a dream, and my sister was standing behind me saying, no, that's a matter of thing that happened, and my mom was like, no, this is Laura's dream. You can't tell what happened in her dream. And I was like, no, she can because it was real. And eventually my my and my dad was leaving for work. So my mom said, do you think she does know something? And that phrase what she said always stuck in my mind. Why would she say it that way? Do you think she does know something? M hm? So I have always felt that it's been a generational experience. But my parents and grandparents were the kind of people that didn't talk about important things in front of kids, or scary things or whatever. So I'm from that generation where adults don't talk to children much. So it took me along. And I was very shy as a kid, so it took me a long time to be able to actually talk about it. And now that the government is coming clean a little bit, I feel like it's just time to confirm some things and get it out there because people really do need to know. Yeah. Now, do you think when you say your mom said that, do you think they've experienced it too? Did you ever talk to your mom about that or anything? Not until a few years before she died, And the one thing she did say after I told her my whole story was, oh my god, now I know what happened to your sister when she was like four years old, because her personality changed overnight. And I told my mom what happened, and she was floored. She says, now I understand better why she changed. Because you want me to tell the first production experience, that's fine, you can go into okay. I was born in Fayetteville, Arkansas, and my grandpa was like a professor at the University of Arkansas and everything, and my dad was a psychology major. My mom was a maternity ward nurse, and then after college, my dad decided to go into the military. So my grandma said, well, before you move away, I want to take the girls to church. And you know, I know that once you leave, you'll never take them to church, so I just want them to go with me once. So my parents said okay, And instead of sending us to the nursery school room, she brought us up into the pews with her and we heard the most powerful, intense hell and damn Nation preaching I've ever heard in my life, Like still to this day, I've never heard like that. And at four years old, I was just like, Wow, this is real, this is true. It didn't scare me like a lot of kids would get scared, but this felt like the truth to me. God and Jesus, Hell is real, Heaven is reel, and it just always stuck with me. So my dad went into the military. We moved away, went to Fort Benning, Georgia, and then we went to Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri, and then they stationed my dad up in Fairbanks, Alaska, so we were up there for about two years. I went to nursery school in kindergarten there, and I was not only very shy, but sort of like an old soul my whole life, and just an observer, like sit back and watch things rather than participate. And I remember thinking on the playground one day, all these kids were running towards me. I'm standing in the sidelines, and they're flailing their arms and screaming like kids, do you know? And I had this thought, don't those children know how foolish they look? And then I kind of stopped myself and I said, wait a minute, I'm only five years old too. I was supposed to be kind of acting like them, but I just had this sense of being more of an observer taking things in. And so we were up there in Fairbanks during the big earthquake that hit Anchorage, and you know, it actually reached all the way to Fairbanks and rocked our house back and forth like we were on a boat. And this is kind of early in the morning, and it was rocking so far. Side decide that the curtains on the living room window were swinging out into the room about a foot and then when the house would tip back, would go the other way and the curtains would press against the window. And that's just how far the house was rocking. And so it was during that year, and I'm not sure if it happened before or after the earthquake, but at that point, the sun was up most of the time, you know, twenty four to seven and doesn't set that time of year, so we had heavy blackout curtains through the whole house to you know, kind of pretend that it's nighttime so you can sleep. And one night, when I was laying in bed, my sister's bed was pushed up against mine, so I was near the wall and she was near the outside. When my parents were in bed sleeping, my sister was asleep and I noticed something moved past my door and like a shadow, and then all of a sudden, somebody pulled back the curtain and light flooded the hallway so I could see really well, and I noticed that there were four or five small gray beings people, I thought, And they had light gray skin and big slanted black eyes and a large head, and they were very skinny, and I was just so surprised. I'm just staring at them. And next thing I knew, I see the blankets pull off my sister with like an invisible force. I'm gonna call it an invisible force because I couldn't see anything moving them. And all of a sudden, she was lifted up out of bed and put in a standing position above the floor, a few inches above the floor. And I looked at her and her eyes were still closed, like she was still sound asleep. And so I'm watching this, and she was moved hovering above the floor and a standing position out of our bedroom door and over towards the top of the stairs. And next thing I know, the blankets are sliding off me, with no visible means of how it's happening, but they're sliding off of me, and I was also lifted up into a standing position and sort of hovered out the door the same way. And they had taken my sister downstairs already, and they stopped me at the top of the stairs, and I knew in my mind in order to go downstairs, you have to lift your feet and step down the steps right, So I'm trying to move my legs that way, but I'm spinning bicycle motion in mid air because I'm hanging in mid air, so my legs are going run and look, I'm trying to walk downstairs. And the being next to me said, you don't have to do that. We'll do that for you. And I heard him. I could see his mouth was up moving. I hurt him in my mind, so I stopped moving my legs and he kind of hovered me down the stairs, but not touching the stairs. I mean, we were above the stairs, but we were going down at an angle. And as soon as we went into the living room, I saw my sister ahead of me and one of the gray beings move into the dining area. And then once you get in the dining area, you can go through the kitchen and out the front door. So we're moving very slowly and I looked at this being next to me, and I thought, wow, he's shorter than my mom. And my mom was five foot two and my dad was six foot two, so I knew this being was shorter than my mom. And I asked him, are you people like us? And he said to me, no, we are non human, living beings, and that really stuck in my mind too. And then we're being hovered out in towards the dining room, and at that point I have some missing time, and I just remember that my sister's personality changed from that day forward, And in talking to my mom years later, we figured out that she probably woke up during the abduction and freaked out and just panicked and couldn't take it, because you know, when you're in a dream, you can kind of fight it and you can wake up. And I'm here in my bed, but in this situation, although I was awake observing it, she woke up probably during the abduction and freaked out. She was only like four years old at that time, I mean he was five. That was nineteen sixty three, and we weren't exposed to a lot. We were very sheltered, you know, we didn't watch a lot of TV and go anywhere. We never had people over. I found out years later that my father had had a traumatic experience as a child where he lost his best friend during a sleepover. They were goofing around in the bathtub and his friend fell and smashed his head on the old cloth fet tub and died in front of my father. So, our whole childhood, we never had birthday parties, We never went to sleepovers, we never had people over to our house because he was so terrified. He didn't want to be responsible for us or any other child being hurt or killed. Yeah. I can understand that. Yeah, so it was really traumatic, but I never knew that my whole life. I always wondered, you know, why don't we have birthday parties? When don't we company was kind of strange. I didn't know any better. Really, it just seemed not quite normal. But my father was, you know, like I said, he was in the military, so he was a marksman. He became a captain, and this was around the time Vietnam was really getting going. So his superior officer told him that, you know, everybody was going to get shipped over to Vietnam. Do you want to get out now? Or do you want to go with us? And my mom didn't want him to go, so he got out of the army and we took a long drive down through Canada to Iowa and moved down there, where my dad got a job in corrections and he was more in the personnel department, like hiring and firing prison guards and personnel. So we lived in about four different towns in Iowa, and it was Des Moines, Davenport, Animosa, and McGregor. And by the time we got to McGregor, he had been offered a position as a warden of a small minimum security prison camp. And it was so minimum security that my sister and my mom and I would go visit him at work. And so here we are in this you know, prison camp right along the muddy Mississippi, and it was surrounded by woods. There were hardly any houses around, but they had this giant workshop for the prison aureas and my mom would trade recipes with the cook and you know, it's Washington, and you know, it was kind of cool. And I have a lamp to this day that one of the prisoners made for me and another one made one for my sister and it still works. But you know, we had a lot of cool experiences like that. And one night a prisoner got loose and we went We literally went out in the cars searching for the guy. We're all yelling out the windows, where are you? We'll come back. And he eventually came back and my dad asked him why he came back, and he said, well, I just got cold, hungry, and tired. So let's see, after we were in Iowa, my dad left that job and we moved to Delavan, Wisconsin, where he was doing personnel work in another prison. And let's see, I think it was oh, I forgot when I was seven in Iowa, when we first were in maybe the second house we lived in was the second abduction, And I remember waking up outside at night and I was hovering over in my house in the dark, and at first I thought I was dreaming, but then I saw, you know, the roof of the house. I could see the swing set down in the yard, and there was like a deep ravine behind the house and I could see all that from above, and next thing I knew and going down towards the sliding glass doors in the back of the living room, and at that point I felt kind of like I was still dreaming, like it was a dream. But then I felt myself being laid on my bed, face first, and all of a sudden, there was a huge smack on my butt, and it scared me, and I came fully awake, and I was laying there terrified, and I realized that my nightgown was pulled up to my waist, and I was like thinking, oh, thank god, my underwear is still on. And the smack, like it stung. And I was never spanked as a child, so it shocked me. And I was just laying there's old tent stuff, and I heard a strange sound and it was like my mother wore these leather loafers and back in those days, in the sixties, they were popular and they made a lot of noise on the wooden floor. So all of a sudden, instead of her normal footsteps, I hear as if it was her shoes being slapped on the floor by someone else or her I didn't know, But instead of normal walking sounds, it was as if someone was pretending to make shoes walk on the floor. And so I'm listening as they go out the room into my parents' room, I heard the closet door slide open, and there was like a clattering as if someone had dropped them from like three feet above the floor. And I thought, well, that's not my parents, because they were both like very neat perfectionists and they would never just drop their shoes like that. And then the closet door slid shut, and next thing I heard was very strange. Now, a lot of my experiences, I've heard other people tell similar stories, so I can relate to a lot of you know, things that other people have gone through, but some of that they I've been through I've never heard anyone else talk about. So what happened next to me was I'm laying there still in my stomach, terrified, and I hear this weird almost like a robotic conversation, And you kind of remember back in the sixties, we didn't have push button phones. We had one little black of white TV where you had turned the knob and it's like a clone clunk to change of channels. We didn't have anything but a rotary phone one in the house, so there were not noises like that in our lives back then. But it was like one would say bit pop oop ding were and then it would pause, and then another one would answer it with similar weird noises and how it is just floored, like what is that? And I waited and waited and waited because it stopped after like five minutes, and finally I saw the sun coming up, so I got up the courage to scramble up under the covers and turn around so I could see the room. I saw my sister was still slipping in her bed. And for weeks after that, I was like nervous and jumpee, always looking behind my back, didn't know what had happened. And I remember sitting at the dining table one night and I kept looking back at the sliding glass door, and my mom said, what is wrong? Why are you keep looking like that at the door. Then I said, can I please move my chair so that my back is against the wall so I can see what's coming? And she said sure, if it makes you feel better. So we all scootered around the table and I was kept my back to the wall because I was still nervous, but I couldn't feel like I could tell them what happened. And then after that was when we moved to McGregor and my dad became the warden and all that. So I'm nervous, so I'm gonna forget every things, but you're okay, okay. At nine years old in Delivan was one of the more dramatic experiences where we were in a second story of the Crafts Moonlight House in town and one night I woke up and I saw a very bright white outside my bedroom window, and my window was cracked open a couple inches of fresh air, and I thought, oh, what did they do? Build a new street light right by our dryway? Now? It just didn't make sense. So all of a sudden, I hear this voice. It was like an electronic little girl's voice say, and it was creepy. It was like, do you see the light? Do you want to come out and play in the light? And I thought, no, has somewhere who is that, you know? And the light stayed there. So I eventually got up out of bed and walked to the window to look out, and I could see the light was actually coming from the right where our garage was. And I look up and I saw something dark, like a large dark circle hanging above our garage and it was blocking out the stars. Couldn't see anything above it or on top of it, but there was a beam of light coming down from it, and it was strange because it wasn't like when you shine a flashlight you see like the light radiates out to the sides. This looked almost like there were invisible walls around the light that wouldn't let it go any farther than the beam that it was in, which was really weird. But as I'm standing there trying to figure what this was, I felt my body start all over and I felt its kind of buzzing, and it literally felt like every cell in my body was being vibrated apart, just taken apart cell by cell and separated. And the next thing I felt was being lifted up and moved literally through the glass and the wooden frame of the window, and I found myself on the other side of my bedroom window, on the second floor, hovering in the air, second story height above my garage, in front of my garage and love the driveway, and I felt myself being put back together, and it was like my spirit was aware of the whole thing, but my body was being taken apart and but back together. And then I started moving forward up into this beam of light, and it was sort of moving me off to the left side of this circle thing, and there was a little kind of like a hatch door in the bottom of it, next to the beamle flight. And I was moved up into that, up into a hallway, and I was turning so that there was like a wall in front of me. But then I was turned to the right, and the inside of it was like some weird shiny kind of stainless steel interior or something like it was metallic walls. And I noticed that if you moved too far to the right, you would hit your head because the wall curved up like an arch kind of a thing. And I started, you know, I was being hovered down the hallway, and I noticed to my left there were like three doorways, and when I looked into each doorway, it looked like the rooms were pie shaped, like a slice of pie, with like the door cut out in the crust side and like imagine a bite taken off the end of the slice a pie. I don't know if you can picture that, but that's how the rooms were shaped, like a pie slice with it, you know, a flat wall where the first the pointy part should be. So I was moved past two doors and onto a third one. Then I thought they were going to make me go straight ahead, and because straight ahead was a bigger room, and all it had in it was like a couple of tiny chairs what looked like little screens or windows or something, and a couple of little knobs or controls or something, and there wasn't much in there, but it was a bigger room. And instead of going in that room, they turned me to the left, to the last door, and there was a metal table kind of like a doctor's a sand table in there, and they laid me on the table and I was still just kind of observing what was going on. And then as I'm laying there, I felt something evil in the room. And I was never exposed to a lot of negative evil anything, but I knew in my heart that was evil behind me, and I needed to know what it was. So I turned my head backwards into the left so that I could see what was back behind me at the head of the table, and there were two of the gray beings on either side of a large solid black praying mantis, solid black like an ant, the whole thing, and that is where the evil was coming from. And I felt as if it was the leader, like it was giving orders to the gray beings, and my eyes got huge, and I turned my face back and I said, I am not looking at that thing again. I was really terrified. And then I had noticed near my feet the one wall that was between this room and the big one that I thought I was going to go into. The entire wall was made up of what looked like fish tanks stacked on top of each other. Then they filled the entire wall Florida ceiling, the wall to wall, but they were emanating a blue light, like a light sort of between cobalt blue and turquoise blue. But it was a beautiful blue light emanating from each one, and that calmed me down for some reason. So I laid there for a while, and I don't remember how long it was. I have no idea. But next thing I know, there was what looked like a little girl gray being in the doorway, and I looked right at her in the eyes, and she looked like the Grays, but she had slightly smaller eyes. They were still slanted in black south of black, but she had long, thin, wispy black hair, and I felt like she was telling me that she was my sister, and I was thinking if she's my sister, then my parents have to be her parents or something I didn't quite understand, but I was thinking, she doesn't look like my sister that I know, because Barb had short, you know, mousey brown hair and blue eyes and a turned up nose and face, and I had long, dark hair and green eyes, and I was thinner. So this gray being telling me that she's my sister. It was sort of like a calming, comforting effect. But I felt somehow that my parents had to have been involved. So the next thing I know, I'm being taken back into my bedroom and I'm hovering above the bed, and they laid me down on my stomach, and I could feel my left leg being pulled up so that my knee was sticking out, and my left arm pulled up to the side, and my head turned to the left, and I heard a voice tell me, from now on, you will have trouble sleeping, and if you put yourself in this position, it will help you fall asleep. And ever since then, I've had severe insomnia. And if I'm still now, if I'm having a lot of trouble sleeping, I will get in that position and it does help me sleep. But The very next morning, I stopped my dad at the door before I left for work, and my mom was there, and my sister came down behind me on the stairs, and that's when I was trying to tell them, you know, I have to tell you what happened last night, and they were trying to tell me it was just a dream, you know, it was just a nightmare. And that's when my sister chimed in and said, no, that's not everything. And I had thought that she was asleep the whole time, and my parents were asleep, so I didn't even know how she was trying to, you know, fill in my story. But I learned years later, and once I finally started talking about it, I told my boyfriend at the time first, and then my sister. And one night we were driving to one of his gigs. He was in a band, and me and my sister and my oldest son, Morgan and Steve were all in the car, and for some reason I felt like I had to tell that experience of when I was nine. So I tell the whole thing, just like I told you, and after I'm done, I'm feeling stupid. Oh, they don't believe me. Whatever. I shouldn't have said it, and I'm feeling embarrassed. And it was like dead quiet for like a solid minute, and all of a sudden, my sister says from the back seat, oh my god, I remember that night. And I spun around. I said, you do I thought you were sleeping. She says, no, she woke up to a bright white light, got out of bed, went into my room and I wasn't there. She couldn't find me, and so she says she went into our parents' room and tried to wake them up, but when she touched them, they were like a rock, like she couldn't even move them, and she couldn't tell that if they were braving or not. And she got scared and she ran downstairs in the dark, out the front door, looking, you know, because she saw that light through the windows. And she's told me that she was standing in our driveway in her nightgown with bare feet, stomping on the concrete driveway, yelling up at the circle above the garage with the light beaming down. She said she was yelling, don't take her, don't take her, take me. I'll fight back and she won't. And that just floored me when she said that I had no idea she had woken up and not manual to find me. So after that she tried to help me deal with it, and she didn't remember any other experiences herself. But I did go down to New York City. I got the chance to be interviewed by Bud Hopkins years ago on this thirty years Yeah, it was like thirty years ago now, and he hypnotized me, and back then I was so shy still that the hypnosis kind of didn't work because he made the mistake of telling me after I was under I could hear him say, oh, you don't have to talk if you don't want to, And that was a big mistake because me being shy and not normally wanting to talk to anybody, I just claimed up and I barely said a thing unless he asked me a question. I've always been a little hesitant with hypnosis anyways, because yeah, sometimes I wonder if they can't unintentionally and plan something in your mind. Yeah, yeah, I hear. I was always nervous about it too, but I wanted to try it because I wanted answers, like I still have more questions than answers, you know. All I know is that I remember my experiences and they've never changed, like my memories have never changed. So but you know, nothing ever came to that because he was busy doing movies and books and whatever. But it was interesting because when he was interviewing me before the hypnosis, he said, did you ever see that Travis Walton movie? What is it? Fire in the Sky? Yeah? And I said, yeah, I saw it. Once he goes, well, tell me what you thought in the movie was real compared to your experiences, and what, if anything do you think was not real? So I told him, I said, well, for me personally, I didn't believe the glasses and garbage floating around the spaceship, and I didn't believe the goopy slime kind of cocoon things that they were in. And so when I got done telling him what I thought, he said, You're absolutely right. Everything that you just mentioned that you didn't feel right about was put in by Hollywood to dramatize everything, and the rest of it was Travis's true story. I said, wow, and I really believe Brandon that if we don't tell the truth exactly as we know it and experience it, how is anybody ever going to research it? Or know the truth. M hm. You know, I just don't see what dramatizing things and making up corny things for effect that does not help the cause at all. Hollywood's not trying to help anyone, They're just trying to make money. Yeah, I totally agree, absolutely. I did have a question though about your sister said her behavior changed, like her personality changed? How to what was like what happened with that? Well, the weird thing was, you know, being five, I don't remember her being anything but a you know, quiet little kid as you know, a youngster. But after that, and my mom said to me too, once I finally told her, she said, my sweet baby turned into a rebellious, angry brat like she couldn't control her. She was moody, angry, bitchy. She just totally changed. And she's still to this daye kind of hard to get along with. And you know, it really did change her. My mom knew that, but she actually said to me, you know, I thought your father might have less for that night. I said, oh no, it was worse than that, and told her all the details that I remember it. So she believes that bar was just woken up in the middle of it. And traumatized another word, the whole things with abductions. And I know it is a very gray, slippery area to go down, but a lot of people do tend to think that these abductions aren't abductions. It's just the mind's way of covering up some other dramatic events. That seems to me the explanation you get from most of the mainstream doctors and everything else, they say, the mind's coping with the dramatic events and this is how we manifested. Right. Well, you know what? Tell me how how millions of people manifest the same cover? Yeah? How is that possible? How do we all see the grays? And I have a friend now in Canada that I met on a UFO type site and we just were commenting back and forth and became Facebook trends. He lives up in Canada. When I told him my story, he said, wow, he had his one and only abduction that he remembers in nineteen sixty three, same year when I was five, he was he was like eight. But in nineteen sixty three he was in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada, and he said that he had a nightmare and he woke up and Normally, when he would call for his parents, they would come into his room and comfort him and get him back to sleep, but that night they did not come to him. And he said he turned around with his head at the foot of the bed so that he could see the stairs going downstairs, and what he saw scared the hell out of him. He said, a gray being described just like what I saw, large head, black slanted eyes, skinnybody. He said, it was coming up the stairs at him, towards him, and he closed his eyes really tight, and he felt like a cold touch on his temple, like a cold, cold finger, and he was just terrified. And many years later he had a precancerous lesion removed from that temple area, exactly where he was touched as a kid. H Well, you know, I explained stuff like that, and my sister and I in like a year apart, as adults, we both had our thyroids removed and mine was just turning cancerous. And I asked my doctor, I said, what causes thyroid cancer? And she said, well, we believe it's exposure to high radiation. And I'm like, hmm, and where did you get the higher radiation exposure from? Exactly could it possibly be from the abductions. You know, that's always been in my mind. But I had other abductions when I was about twelve. This is the next one that I remember. Twelve thirteen. We were living in Chicago suburbs Wheeling, and my parents had gotten divorced when they lived in Delavan, so we were with our mom and stepfather for a while, but he was a bad alcoholic. So we moved in with our dad in Chicago and his new wife, and I was after they split up. My sister and I each took one of the bedrooms and my dad would sleep on the couch. Now, one night, I was wide awake going to listen to a radio show. I think the radio station was reading the Hobbit book, you know, the story of the Hobbit over the night, like for an hour every night, something like that. So I was looking forward to that, and I had my overhead light on. My closet doors were closed. I had the bifold sliding doors. There was a light in the closet but it was off, and I was wide awake. I went in the bathroom, brush my teeth, got ready for bed, and I'm like, oh boy, I'm going to go listen to the Hobbit now. So I opened my door and I see that my bedroom light is off, and I see that my closet light was on. I'm like, that's not how I left it. And as soon as I stepped into my room, I suddenly was hit with this exhaustion, like really tired, and I had to struggle to walk over to my bed, and I kind of flopped down on my bed and I'm like, why am I so tired? And why is the closet light on? And next thing I know, I see the closet door slide open, and I thought, Oh, my sister's in there so trying to scare me, But why am I so tired? And I see stepping out of that closet one of the great beings and it's coming towards me. And then I passed out or something, because the next thing I remember was being hovered down in the middle of the night above the condos and being brought through the front door into my room. And that's all I remember of that production. But then I got mono and got really sick and basically dropped out of school because I was sick for months, and I tried going to night school and working in a factory during the day, and it was really hard. I mean I was drained and all the time. And instead of graduating high school, I got married instead at sixteen, and yeah, moved to New York. But in between that, when I was fifteen, I had a boyfriend and he wanted to go up to Milwaukee and to see the Pink Floyd in a concert at a baseball stadium. So we went up the night before and stayed in a hotel and we got there really early because he wanted good seats close to the stage. And there was about a hundred of us standing in this hot, sunny parking lot all day waiting for the concert to open at like seven at night. So we all got sunburned and dehydrated, and it was a long day. So by the time the concert started, put out a blanket and field where sitting there in front of the stage, and I just felt so wiped out. I laid down. Next thing I know, I felt like, I sat up, and I'm like, why, I feel better by why am I sitting up? And then I started floating up up far away and the music faded away and I could see the stars in front of me. And I'm going way up into the stars and the next thing I know, I saw this beautiful being of light coming towards me, and it was in the shape of a man with long hair and wearing golden robes, and he was glowing from the inside out like it was a nightlight or something, and just kept getting closer and closer and bigger and bigger, and until he got close to me, and I said, is God real? And he said yes. And I ended up hanging in the stars out there talking to Jesus for quite a while, and he was telling me wisdom and all these things, these amazing things. And when he told me I had to return to my body, I was ready, like, Okay, now I'm armed with the truth. I can go back and tell people the truth and what God wants from us and all this. And he said, no, you won't be allowed to remember everything that we just talked about. And my heart sank and I said, please, Lord, let me remember one thing. What one thing can I take back with me? And he said, remember this, remain humble, And I said okay. And he turned around and I saw below me the earth far away, like a beach ball, hanging in the sky. And it was beautiful, and I could tell the sun was off to my left because the earth, the left half of the Earth was brightly lit by the sun, and the right half of the Earth was dark like it was nighttime. And I said, how am I going to find my body? And the Lord said, follow the silver cord. And I looked down at my waist and there was a long, shiny, like an umbilical cord from my spiritual waist waving all the way winding down to Earth. And so I started plunging down to Earth feet first, and the whole way down, I'm going remained humble, Remain humble, Remain humble, and God is real. And I just kept repeating that the whole way down, and I'm thinking, oh wait, it was nighttime when I left, so I have to go to the dark side of the Earth. That's where night is. So I'm getting closer and closer and closer. Next thing I know, I'm above the baseball stadium and I noticed that the concert was still going on. Could see all the people in there, and I saw all the cars lined up like matchbox cars in an L shape parking lot. And I didn't know that when I was on the ground. I couldn't see that, you know that it was an ill shaped party surrounding the stadium. So I get closer and closer, and I see my body lying next to my boyfriend. He sending up watching the concert, numbers there looking like I'm sleeping. But I go down, down, down, and I laid down into my body and I woke up and I opened my eyes and I felt so heavy, like these bodies are a burden to carry around, They're so heavy. And I stirred around. Then my boyfriend said, oh, you're alive. He goes we thought she died there for a window, and I were like, no, I'm here when I'm really wiped out. So and we went back to Chicago after the concert was over and while I'm with our lives, and that was when I dropped out us in school with to night school and all that, married somebody else. We lived in oak Park for about a year, and then he wanted to go to New York State to be near his uncle, so we lived with them on Long Island for a couple of months and ended up leaving him and moving upstate to the upstate New York and got married a second time and had my first baby, and when Morgan, my son was about two, we moved to seven acres of land and my father in law bought a trailer and had two trailers, one for him for weekends and one for us to live in. And that was rough living there. But I think it was about twenty three then, and all of a sudden, one night, I'm sitting on the couch my son was sleeping. Then my husband used to sit at his desk and do paperwork and whatever because he owned his own business doing furniture repairs. So I was watching TV. He's doing paperwork, and I had this feeling like, oh no, they're back. They're here, meaning the grace. I always got that feeling like I was being watched. And so my husband suddenly stood up and I said, are you going to bed? Because normally he'd just like, I'm getting the name, and he'd go to bed, But this day he stood up and was acting strange, like he wouldn't answer me. He was walking really stiff, like robot, just slow and stiff, in a daze. And I got scared and I ran around, shutting off the TV and the lights, and I followed him to bed. He lay down in bed instantly he was out unconscious, turned towards the wall, and I tried to wake him. He wouldn't move. It felt like a frozen rock. I couldn't tell if he was breathing, but I knew the Grays were near, and I ran down the hole and I checked my son. He was the same way stiff. Couldn't tell if he was breathing, and I got scared. And we didn't have nine one one or anything back in those days, so I didn't know what to do. And I knew that if this was the Grays, there's nothing I could do about it. So I went and sat on the edge of the bed, terrified, and all of a sudden, the trees made a lot of trees on the lot the seven acres, and the trees just started blowing like a big wind came up. And then the next thing I see being a light comes shooting down on over the top of the trailer. And there were no other houses around, I mean, we were private in the seven acres, and so I see this light and it lit up the entire inside of the trailer from above. It was so bright, and I'm standing there. I stood up and I felt like a rat in a maze, being watched, being observed, and it was very scary, and I wanted to run down the hallway and shut off the night light, as if that was going to stop them from seeing me, right, But I I did. I ran into the kitchen and I checked the front door and it was locked. And then I turned around and I started to walk down the hallway, but I saw in front of me in the kitchen it was a being that I had never seen or heard of before. He was only about foot and a half two feet tall, and I'm standing there staring at this thing, thinking, my god, he's shorter than my son. And this thing it had a round white basketball head and two tiny black eyes in the front, and that's all I could tell. And then it was slow in like a white robe from its neck to the ground, and you couldn't see hands or feet or anything. It was just like a big, round head. And as I'm wondering what this is and why it's so short, the thing telepathically said to me, huh, yes, but we are very very old, and that's scared of the shift. I'm thinking, what hundreds thousands of years old? What? And I started to run down the hallway but I turned around and my back was to the window in the kitchen, and I just kept staring at that thing. And next thing I know, I heard a jiggle in the front door knob, and the door opened, and in came about four or five of the gray beings that I had seen all my life, and they were moving in a weird way that I had never noticed before, Like their palms were facing the floor, but they would lift their arms up and push them out in front of them with their palms facing down, and their feet were moving the same way. It was almost like watching someone trying to push forward through jello, just the slow, weird motion. And then they stopped and turned and looked at me, and one of them went past me to the right, and I thought it was going down the hallway, you know, to do something with my son or my husband, and Someone'm still staring at the others, And next thing I knew, in a flash, this thing came from my right and quickly itself right in front of my face, and I mean I was like four or five inches away from it. And as I'm standing there, it's like he started playing mind games. And these beings do have personalities. It's like sometimes I felt like they were playing good Cop Bad Cup, where one would be friendly and one would be mean. Well, this one was being very mean, and he was trying to make me feel like I was a worthless dog who should be cowered on the floor at his feet. And I started to cry and feel worthless and low, like I should fall on the floor and tower in front of him. And then I said, no, I am not a dog, and I picked my head up and I looked right into his big black eyes. And as I'm staring at these giant football shaped slanted eyes, I noticed inside them are these huge, even darker black pupils in the middle. Sounds wow, I got these things have pupils inside there, because I'd never been quite that close to one face to face, and I noticed a horror of smell and the only way I can describe it was urine mixed with sweet spices and vomit, and it just it made me want to throw up. That's what it smelled like. And then I started looking at his skin, and they have no hair on them, but I noticed that the skin had sort of like a texture to it. Have you ever seen like leather, like a piece of leather that has sort of a rough line texture in it. I like, it's almost cracked looking, yeah, yeah, like it's not smooth. Yeah yeah, that's what their skin looked like like. There were just random, few funny lines in their skin like that. And so I'm just observing these things taking it in and I was terrified, and I started praying the Lord God, save me, help me Jesus. And this thing said to me teleopathically, yes, we know God too, and that scared me even more. I'm like, whoa, no help is coming, and the abduction continued. They took me out of the house and into the front yard, and I looked up and I could see the same kind of crap that I saw when I was nine above our garage. Well, this was the same kind of a black circle above our trailer with the bean light coming down. And I don't know what happened in the middle of that one, but I remember them bringing me back in at sunrise. All this had started when my husband first went up and started acting and going to bed. It was ten o'clock at night, so when they brought me back in, the sun was coming up, and I felt like my clothes were vacuum suction to me. You know how you do, like those freezer bags where you stuck out all the air. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, that was some of our meat. Oh yeah, yeah, so you know exactly what that looks like, right, the plastic steals up against the clothes, you know, the food. Well, that's how it felt like. My clothes were sucked up against my whole body, my pants and my shirt and everything, and I felt like cold and clammy, and I'm being hoffered down the whole way and I heard No I've never told this to anyone before, but I'm gonna tell you because I just feel like the whole experience needs to come out and I just want to share it with you. What I heard as I'm being floated down the hallway was voices from above, like they were in the crackt or something. It was like a woman and a man talking and she says, Oh, she's really nice. We should keep in touch with her, and I knew they were talking about me. And then next thing I know, I'm going down the hallway and they stopped in my bedroom in the middle of the floor. They set me down on the floor, and then that vacuum suction feeling went away and like my clothes fell away from my body like normal. And I'm standing there and I could hear something, but it was very, very faint, and the only way I could think of it was like, take a giant metal mixing bowl right and put a big marble or a metal bowl bearing in it and try rolling it around so that the the ball bearing goes whooly wooly around in circles. That's what it sounded like, but it was so much more like a feeling, like a vibration. I could just barely hear it. And then the next thing I know, I hear helicopters. And as soon as I heard the helicopters, the trees started blowing like crazy again all around the house, and the beam of light went shut right off, and I could tell that the craft left quickly. And I'm standing there listening, and one, two, three, I heard three helicopters pass directing over my tree, right where the craft had been sitting, and they were going on. They were following the thing in the direction of my best friend's house. It was a few miles down the road, and I'm thinking, oh my god, I need a witness. This can't keep happening. I have to tell somebody, And I was exhausted and I just crashed into bed. Then I slept for like a good twelve hours. I woke up at noon the next day or something longer than that, because yeah, it was like sunrise when I got there, got back and my husband was gone, like he had gone to work, like nothing happened, and my son was okay, he was breathing and everything, and I had to pee really really bad, like I felt like my whole stomach was bloated. And I went in the bathroom and I sat down and I paid for like what felt like ten minutes, and I'm sitting there and as I down, I'm going to tell you exactly what I saw. Right underneath my belly button was a circle that looked like a noo scab, and it was about the size of a pencil eraser. And I'm looking at it, going, what the heck is that? You know, where did that come from? It didn't hurt at all, so I'm like messing with it, and I pulled at it and it came off. But when I pulled it up, there was like this long sheath like a straw, a sheath of tissue that came out with it, and it was I'm pulling so so so it was like four or five inches long, and I'm like, oh my god, what the hell is this? It was like somebody had stuck a straw or a giant needle down inside my belly, below my belly button, and I laid it on a piece of tissue. I'm like, I gotta show somebody that. And then I went to wipe myself and on the tissue paper when I looked, there was this like thick oily substance. And the weirdest part was that it was half a circle of bright yellow oily liquid and the other half was like an orange amber sort of color, and they were touching right up against each other, but they weren't mixing, and I was freaking out, like, what on earth is this stuff? So I put that aside. I was going to save it, and then I'm sitting there and sitting there, going, this is crazy. Oh, I gotta tell nobody's gonna believe me. I just don't even want to deal with this. So I threw it all away, and then I went and took care of my who was waking up, and I was doing dishes later, and I thought, oh my god, this is crazy. This has been going on all my life. I need proof. And I had my wet finger from, you know, doing dishes, and I went over to the calendar and I poked my finger on the calendar and left a wet spot and then I circled it in. I circled that day in a red marker. I said, I'm going to remember that day. That's the night I was abducted. Because I had never, you know, kept records or notes or anything my entire life. I just remembered it. And I still have that calendar to this day. And yeah, so I was couldn't stop thinking about it. But I didn't want to talk about it. So I called my best friend and I just wanted a nice, normal conversation. I just wanted life to be normal, and it didn't turn out that way. I asked her how she was doing, and she said, oh, my god, you won't believe what happened this morning. Just as the sun was coming up, I heard the dog barking. She went outside of her house, looked out the back door, and she didn't believe in this stuff, but she saw a UFO hovering above the trees. She said, there was what looked like a giant gray owl sitting on a tree ranch underneath the UFO, and you had big black eyes. She's trying to figure this out, what is that? And all of a sudden, she said she heard three helicopters coming and that UFO took off like a shot, and the other direction. When she saw those helicopters, Brandon, they were military one, two, three, coming from the direction of my house. The black helicopters black or army green. I don't know. I didn't see him. All I did was hear him when they left my went over my trailer. When it got to her house, she saw that they were military, and I said, oh my god. I'm thinking to myself, there's my witness. My best friend is now my witness. But I still couldn't tell her. I mean I tried. I tried to tell her, but she was like, why are you talking about. All she was into was just what she went through. And she's telling me how she called her father and her father said, I don't bother calling the military of the police. They're not going to do anything, and so she just kind of forgoted about it. Now years later, I hadn't left my husband gotten well with someone else, had another baby, broke up with him, and I had two little kids now in this apartment and down near Accord, New York. And my son was five by then, and my baby was little, maybe six months old, and Morgan. I was about to start school. And one night I'm sitting there watching TV and I suddenly got really tired. Kids weren' better ready. I got really tired and night just dragged myself to bed and shut off the TV, crashed, fell asleep. Next thing I do, I woke up and I heard a voice say, go to your son, and he needs you. So I jumped out of bed. I go run into his room and he was layin there in bed, on top of his pillow. Like you know you normally lay down in only your heads on the pillow, not your shoulders. Well, he was laying with his head and his shoulders all the way up on the pillow, and the blankets were tucked up to his chest neatly folded down straight across his chest, and there was nothing on the sheet, and there was nothing on the pillowcase but his entire face. His nose was running bright red blood all out his nose crossed his mouth. I couldn't get him to wake up, and I didn't have a phone. At that point. I ran downstairs and pounded on my neighbor's door, asked her to come up and call for help. Well, she was acting really strange. She came up, didn't say a word the entire time. She grabbed a chair from my dining room, set it next to the head of his bed and sat there like a zombie. And I'm running around her, going to the bathroom getting wash claws and trying to clean him up. There was no blood on the pillowcase or the sheet. It was only on him and his pajama top. And the next day I took him to a clinic and they did next ring. They couldn't find any reason for the closet of all that blood, and my neighbor had I told her go get help again, you know, and she stood up like a zombie, walked down to her apartment in never culture help. So all these times I felt very very alone in all of this, And you know, it took me so many years to be able to talk about it at all. Not talking about these things are never easy for anyone, No, but the weird thing was after the abduction when he my son was two and heard the helicopters. Shortly after that, I was I called my father in Chicago and I just wanted to hear his voice and stuff, and him and my stepmother and my sister, we're all living together. They said, isn't it about time you got saved? Because they had all become bodied in Christians, three of them. And I said, you know what it is, I need God. So at that point is when I accepted the Lord and got baptized and got saved. And I have to tell you that after that, I was never abducted. Again. I'm sorry, I'm getting congested. I was never abducted that I remember after that, after that saved, But my son was at least once down there, and after we moved up here near Albany, New York. He says that he has memories of abductions as an older child, and all that here at this property, because I've been here almost thirty eight years. Is his memories anything similar to what yours are? Oh? Yeah? Yeah. When I had found him with blood on him, I had asked him the next day when he finally woke up, I said, what happened last night, and he said, well, there was a skeleton man in my room. He didn't know any other way to describe it, you know, skinny skinny, a great being, colded, a skeleton man. But he says that our neighbor's son was his age too. He said that that little boy was in his room with him and they were both taken out of the house. And man, I got so mad. I looked up at the sky and I said, it's one thing. It's bad enough for you to take me my whole life against my will, butt you better stay away from my children. I was pissed. You know, It's like I could deal with it for myself well enough, but that wouldn't I mean, you feel totally helpless when your child is taken. Weird question, But do you happen to know what blood types you guys are? Oh my god, that's another thing. My friend Murray from Canada, he's the one who told me the connection of own negative and yes, Murray and I are both oh negative. I'm going to say that the type of negative is yeah, something that seems to be a connection between abduction victims. That's one thing I wanted to tell you. Thanks for reminding me. Yes, Murray up in Canada and me are both own negative. Yeah, there is something to that for real, And I guess it's genetic. It's gotta be right. He's got Scottish heritage and I do too, Like I'm part Scottish Irish and English Wells and all that, and he's like mostly Scottish and half some kind of Canadian Indian. But yeah, we're both oneiganive and I have heard of that connection, which is so bizarre. It seems like because I think it's like the universal donors like that they can use that blood for anything. So I wonder if that's not part of why they do it, because it can be used for anybody else, because they use it for like blood donations. That's like, if they're donating blood, they want oh negative because it could be used for anyone else. Wow, isn't that crazy? Though? Yes? Yeah, And I mean I can't swear one hundred percent that that's all they're in it for, is genetic manipulation or whatever. But I've always felt that it had to be something like that. My parents bald and I have this alien half sisters, you know, what the heck, it's just bizarre. From what I'm reading right now, it says only seven percent of the population is TYPO negative seven percent. Wow, that's lower than it's all that, but wow. Yeah, so that there could be reasonings as to why, again, if they use that as a universal blood for humans, and if they're doing things to where they're making hybrids, because obviously the one said it as your sister. Yeah, maybe they need typo negative blood to use for these hybrids. Maybe that's the only way they can make it work. Yeah, that's weird. It's an interesting question, but wow. So when was the When was your last abduction? Do you think it was? Did you remember the one that I remember being taken? Last was the one I think when I was twenty three, Ok, yeah, before it got saved. But the weird thing is, once I finally started talking to my boyfriend Steve about it, he was scared, like he knew I was telling the truth, and he was like, do you think they're going to come back? Are they going to take me? And I'm like, oh, I don't think so because it's been a long time. So one night, the last experience I remember was laying in bed with Steve and he was asleep and something woke me up, and I looked over next to him, between the bed and the wall was a great being standing there looking at him, just staring right down at him. And as soon as it realized that I was looking at it, that I was awake, it moved its head in this really creepy way like towards me and staring at me with the big eyes, and I literally just went, oh, it's you again, and I fell back to sleep. So that was the last interaction that I remember. I've always thought it was strange when you hear of people being abduct to put their partner in bed next to them, wasn't Yeah? Yeah, oh and you know, I mean you mentioned like people try to explain it away. Psychologists try to explain it away as being like trauma, color or whatever. I was never molested as a child ever, neither was my sister, so that's not true. Yeah. I could see it maybe in some cases, but that there's far too many. Why would why would the brain, like we mentioned, why would the brain of all these other people that have experienced this all manifest the same exact thing. It doesn't. That doesn't add up, not at all, when we're all telling basically the same story. Come on, I mean, it's not like one person seeing a ghost in one seeing a barn, you know whatever. We're all sitting grace. Look at the timeframe. But you yours was did you say nineteen the first one in nineteen sixty three? Three was my first one. Yeah. You didn't hear about abductions really back then, not into the sense of what you do now. So not at all. I have that experience and that's what you remember from then. Yeah, you didn't have the Travis Walton story. That wasn't until the late seventies. A lot of people trying to credit Travis and that whole thing, and they use his basis of abduction as a temple. They like, since his came out and became popular, then everyone started having these deduction stories and they're all very similar to Travis's, so they use his version. They say, people are using him as an excuse, like he implemented that whole experience in these people. I was like, why would he originate that? And like what exactly exactly why would people say they went through the same thing like I went through it before that Travis Walton's story. Yeah, and wow, it's so crazy. But you know, the first book that I ever read about abductions was back in the early eighties. Maybe it was Whitley Streemer's first book. Yeah, and the weird thing was yeah, yeah, Communion. That's right for his abductions. And where he lived in his cabin or whatever, wasn't that far from where I lived in that trailer Crumville, New York, near the Shore Kate Reservoir. And I think Whitley Streeber lived somewhere in that general area where he had as abductions. I have an interview with someone that I think was actually from that area too. Oh yeah, And when he was a kid, he thought they were ghosts at first until he saw the cover of I don't remember if his Communion or while, but it was the first time he'd actually seeing like the gray alien. And then he didn't realize that what he was seeing wasn't ghost, right. But he talked about how he got levitated out of his bed and down the stairs. Okay, And there's just so many similarities between people's memories. Yeah, the levitation, the floating out of bed, the floating out of a window, like all that stuff is very very common in abduction stories. Yes, That's what I was trying to say. You know, like a lot of my stories are very similar to other peoples, except for those weird robotic things talking to each other and stuff like that is unique to mine. And I've never heard anyone say, but I'm curious about stuff like that. And you're right. The Communion book cover is what caught my attention in a bookstore one day, and I said, oh God, that's what I've been seeing all my life and I had to read that book. You know, it's like, oh, not alone. That's how I feel. It's strange for me because I saw this yesterday and I've seen it before. But are you familiar who Alistair Curley is. He was like the Satanist guy from I think like the nineteen twenties or thirties or something. Oh yeah, horrible, horrible gay. He had a picture that he drew of the entity that he was speaking with, and that was the first picture that looked like a gray alien. If you look at the picture that he drew of what he claims that he was conversing with, Oh wow, I didn't know that. It has the big bulba's head and it's a very typical looking grave. It doesn't have the big black eyes, but everything else about it looks like a gray alien. Wow. I never knew that. And this was obviously I'm like one hundred years ago now. Yeah, So it's strange that the people some people credit him for starting the whole gray thing. Oh wow, really I don't necessarily buy into that. But if he thinks he was talking to demons, yes, and now you have these things come on here like years later, people call them gray aliens and everything else. Like a lot of a lot of people start to lean now think into the aliens are just demons. That's what I was just gonna say. Yes, a lot of Christians do say, oh, they just dismiss them ass demons, and I'm like, I keep I used to fight with people about that because like, I've been there, I've seen them. They're real physical beings. You can touch them, they're right there. They're physical of like, and now now I think, well, maybe they're demons inhabiting these bodies. They're cloned bodies, you know. And I even had the thought in watching like cattle mutilations and stuff, what if they're cutting out these bits of leather and growing it to make these gray suits. Because they all look like m h. That was my thought because of the way the the skin looked with the the cowhide kind of lines in it. That's just my theory. Who knows it could be way you should? I'm not. No, I don't know if you're familiar. I interviewed him. It's not out yet, but La Marzouli he is. He might be someone you want to look into as far as his recent books and videos coming out, because you just mentioned cattle mutilations and stuff. They have some connections of things in there. Oh cool. Yeah. I have seen him on Facebook and I just became Facebook friends with Karen Wilkinson, but I haven't read her book yet. Now she's added me on there too. She's been making the rounds on other podcasts. And no disrespect to anyone. If they want to come on my show, they can, But I don't actively try and find people that are always on everyone else's show because I want to give the right the people that don't get a chance to speak their opportunity. Well, I appreciate that because I wanted to give you the opportunity. The only one who's ever given me a real chance to tell my story was Brent Swansor who writes he just you know, writes supernatural stories and he's interested in true stories. So he did a little article on mine that got you know, good results, and there were you know, some interesting positive responses to it. But that was a few years ago when I haven't had anyone, you know, let me talk to them about while I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to let you come on here and share a story with me. Yeah, that's been good. I also I had asked God a few years ago why I had to go through all these experiences, and he said to me, I gave you a sound mind, even an extra sound mind, so that you can be a testimony of it. So I really believe I'm supposed to talk about it and you know, share my experiences and I hope that it can help somebody else and not feel alone. Mm hm. That's you know, maybe they relate to it. And that's my whole goal is to allow people to listen to this, so even if they don't want to come on the show, but they hear what others have experienced so they don't feel like they're alone because yeah, I've never experienced what you experienced, but I have went through something before to where it's like you can't talk about it, and right, right, I didn't like feeling that way. I don't think other people should feel that way. So if I can help other people and help my own self while doing it too, because I enjoy listening to what other people have experienced in the sense of I'm not alone, Yeah, so who do I It's like mutually beneficial for both, I think so. And the wild thing is like, I've had so many other experiences, like if I ever wrote a book, you would have to be called of God in Aliens because you can't leave gun out of my story or now, and then the big bit too, you know, it's like, Wow, I've had some crazy experiences but it's all real. Yeah. Well, maybe we can get back in touch again sometime in the future and you can talk more about cos yeah there is more to talk about. Well, Laura, that would be cool. I do appreciate you coming on here and sharing that with me. I know it's not easy to talk about, so I know it takes a lot out of people to share, but I do truly appreciate you. I appreciate you letting me that's been awesome. Thank you for this opportunity, not a problem. Is there anything you'd like to let the audience know before we close out? God is real. Trust in him, sequeling him, and you'll be okay, okay. Well again, thank you for talking with me today. I appreciate it, and I want to say thanks to everyone out there listening or we're going to roll on out. So yep, thank you, good bye bye. Remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the end. Nowe good night everyone,