Tinfoil Talks: Drones, UFOs, and Bigfoot Too

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. It don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. This is a very special episode of Tenfoil Talks, which is going to be the new show that comes out every Sunday night at ten pm Eastern Standard Time. It will be a live call in show that'll be coming here in the next couple of weeks. But on this episode, I talked to doctor Simeon Hine about a lot of the weird stuff going on with the drones and the UFOs and started off talk about some remote viewing and some big foot. I don't want to make this episode wait for the scheduled time for when it should come out, which would probably be a couple of months from now, so I wanted to kind of push it ahead and release it as a special episode here tonight for you guys before we bring simeon on. If you've ever had an experience you'd like to be on an episode of ten Foil Tals, make sure to reach out to me. You can send an email to Tenfoil Talth podcast at gmail dot com, or you can go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. If you want to help the podcast out, please shared around. That is the best way of helping the podcast grow. You can leave a five star rating review wherever you listen to t foiltals at. You can become a member of the Patreon. There's over twenty plus episodes available on Patreon right now that's not available publicly. Make sure to go over there and check that out if you're interested. And as I'd mentioned a little bit ago, I am starting a new show on Sunday nights called Tenfoil Talks. It'll be a live calling show exclusively on YouTube that will be premiering here in the next couple of weeks at ten pm on Sunday nights. But we're going to go ahead now and bring Simeon on and dive into the conversation. Sit back, relax, enjoy the show. I'd like to think this time, welcome my guest tonight, Simeon. Thanks for coming on here talking to me. Thank you. Brandon. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Yeah, I'm a pharmer statistic teacher out a PhD in sociology and research methods, so I had years and years of university training and in the nineties I got involved it's remote viewing, and that kind of introduced me to a lot of different topics. I've had a few people on here about remote viewing. It's always been one of those things that I don't ever try and act like I'm an intelligent person by any means. I think I'm smart in some aspects, but the whole remote viewing thing, to me, I don't really grasp how it works. And a lot of the people that I've talked to they can't give any explanations to either. So if you're able to explain more into remote viewing, I definitely want to hear about that. Yeah, we have a pretty good idea how it works now, Okay, Yeah, it's something called the Ironhof Bom effect. That is definitely one big candidate for how our viewers, you know, for our listeners remote viewing. I like to call it more like resonant viewing. It's an ability to describe distant people, targets, places, locations, all them, targets, whatever we're looking at using like you're saying when I first took my course in this in ninety six, I mean, you don't know how it's happening, but it does. You're able to describe something at a distance. It could be quite far away, and it's accurate. When you're done and you're shown the picture of what you were describing, it often can be pretty pretty accurate or very accurate, very detailed correspondence to what's actually at the target site that you are able to see in your mind's eye. But it's not like seeing like something really like a TV screen. It's pretty faint, but you can pick up aspects of this. And for the longest time, we've had heard people say, well, we don't know how it works, and yeah, there's evidence for it, you know, these congressional hearings they had when it was declassified in ninety five. It was this you know, special access program based out of Fort Meade, and there was research being done at Stanford Research Institute in Palo Alto at the time. And I mean it started because the Soviets had their own psychokinesis programs, so did China. The Soviets called it psychotronics, and I mean the US government felt like they had to have a response during the Cold War to this, so they developed their own program. And for years it's been this argument from skeptics, you know, saying, well, we can see some statistical correlations here, the viewers getting more information than they would if they were discussing, but there's no principles behind it, so it's not in the realmost science. But we do know it has something to do with the ironjo bom effect, which is, you know, something proposed in the fifties, even earlier in the forties by some engineers. There's this interaction at a distance. It's a quantum effect between particles and fields. Even in between them, there is actually zero electromagnetic energy being exchanged. There is still something called vector potential energy potential. It's part of the schrodenning Er wave equation, and these imaginary numbers, these potentials really have a physical effect, which is kind of strange, but they really do something that's sort of in a sense imaginary, has a real physical effect, and it's shown that particle the phase of particles are affected by a magnetic field that they're completely shielded from. There isn't any direct interaction, but they sort of sense each other. And people like doctor Halputoff, who ran the remote viewing program at SRI in the seventies to the mid eighties, have proposed that we're dealing with something like the Arono bum effect vector potential. So it's one of these lesser known but very important quantum effects that might explain it. How it applied for patents to allow for long distance communications using the ab effect, specifically for submarines where electromagnetic signals can't penetrate into the depths of the ocean. So that suggests that it has something to do with it, and that even processes phenomena at large distances can interact with each other even if there's no signal there like we're used do. No radio signal, no light, no electromagnetic radiation of any sort. They're still a communication going on, which is just very interesting. But that's what science tells us, you know, is true. So a lot of the people that I've spoken with when it comes to the remote viewing, and for a lot for anyone listening, and I kind of stand on a skeptical sense a lot of the time. And I'm not trying to say people are lying or anything like that, but I don't always necessarily understand or fully believe that some of these things that people say are one hundred percent accurate. I think they believe it, but I don't know if it's necessarily true. Are in but they think they're involved in these programs and they're used to potentially spy on things, or they've communicated with something from another plane of existence, and they're remote viewing things from the past. And you mentioned quantum and everything. I know that's kind of I don't know if it's a new thing. It's new to me, but the whole quantum aspect, I know a lot of people are using this now to describes creatures like bigfoot. I know there's like, I think Ron Morehead and talks about like the quantum Bigfoot theory, and is this anything that you've ever dealt with on your own line. I actually talked to Toby Johnson a while back and he actually mentioned your name, as I didn't say anything during the interview. I was like, oh, I got an interview with him too. But is this something you're familiar with like that aspect. Yes, it's the same effect, really exactly the same effect. Okay. All of these phenomena that we call paranormal are all in my view, and I'm open to being challenged about this, but are all variations of coherent matter around bomb effects where you have matter behaving in other forms that are not typical of the ordinary types of matter that we are used to experiencing. The closest physical analogy to these effects are those flocks of birds that are called murmurations. Murmurations where the birds seem to be more like a wave moving across the sky. We've all seen this. You have it a lot out in the Midwest of the US. Flocks of ravens or crows or different types of birds and you see them all flying together are like a school of fish. You know where scientists have always been puzzled how they're able to move like that, you know, because we would think, well, they're following the leader, but that's not Actually there's no evidence that they're following a leader. They just seem to be in sync with each other in the type of resonance where they have more of a wave like property than a particle like one. Like when you've seen in stadiums where people do the wave, right, you see this wave of arms moving around the stadium. That is the analogy for coherent matter. And you know, it's it's that is at a quantum level, this a very interesting effect. Quantum mechanics has told us for over one hundred years that everything that his physical matter has a frequency and also has a wavelike function. And this is what Einstein got his Nobel Prize for, was his work in relativity theory, where you know, he showed that matter has a particle like nature and a wave like nature, and Max Plank and others, you know, showed that there's a specific frequency associated with matter. We ended up with this idea of the Plank constant, and it's sort of this idea that smallest level everything has turned into these like little discrete lips of energy that can be measured as a frequency. And so the idea that matter has this quantum nature isn't new, it's just we It takes a while for this idea to settle in and for us to understand it, because you know, Brandon, when we look around us, the world looks kind of solid, doesn't look wave like. But that's what quantum mechanics tells us. It is. It's just that a frequency that gives it the feeling of being solid. But everything you know is you know, when you do the math and you factor in the plank, constant has a particular frequency. And so coherent matter is this type of matter where the particles give up their individual particle nature and behave like one particle, one wave, one coherent particle. It all, you know, coordinate to become one thing. And so that's what Ron Moorehead is suggesting in Quantum big Butt. I met Ron a number of times. I've interviewed him. It's something that I study too, because you know, so a lot of my remote viewing students in Colorado told me about their bigfoot encounters over the years, and it took quite a while for me to understand what they were the significance of what they were saying, because it's not that easy to understand what bigfoot is. We just don't have a lot of education in our culture. Even though the Native Americans all, you know, hundreds of different tribes had names for bigfoot. But if you look at what they described, they described them having these very special abilities and so forth, gliding, sliding over the when they're moving, things like this, and what Ron Moorehead experienced were phenomena in you know, his hunting camp up in the Sierra Nevadas in the seventies. And you know, as you've spoken to Toby, there's a movie coming out about Ron Moorehead and the Johnson brothers and that whole Sierra camp when they discovered bigfoot, going back, actually I think it's to the I'm not mistaken. I believe it's to the late fifties when they first had these encounters up in that area. But what they experienced were just very strange effects that defy conventional scientific explanation, like very interesting sounds that the Bigfoot seemingly are able to create. Ron described the sounds of their hunting cabin kitchen being destroyed with the pots and pants flying everywhere in the middle of the night, and they went out and it's fine. The next morning nothing had been touched, but it sounded like metal hitting metal, and people have reported cars coming up. Bron reported that once, even though you can't get cars up to that area, strange light phenomena around the where he and the others were up in that area. But everyone who's been involved, many people, I should say, who have been involved with foot, have experienced this orbs, different types of anomaloust light phenomena, strange sounds like gongs. Ron experience that. He said, it sounded like a tuning fork right above the hunting structure. So to me, what that suggests looking at it, you know, scientifically like this is that you're dealing with a creature that can access states of matter that you and I don't know how to access, and they're able to tune the reality around them to different frequencies. And when you have that happening, it looks almost like magic. But you know, you've seen demonstrations of cymatics in videos and things, you know from Hans Jenny from Switzerland, where you can put tones onto a sheet of metal with sand on top and it spontaneously forms patterns and things like that. That's sort of what we're talking about here. It's just sort of a quantum extension of that. And I mean it's real. You can look at different defense contractors getting patents in coherent matter, wave beams and so forth. NIST worked with coherent matter in older Colorado where I'm from, in nineties. So this is scientifically verified. I think with people like me and Tob Tobe Johnson and Ron Moorehead are suggesting that it extends out of the lab into some of these phenomena that we call paranormal. I think, and You've kind of touched on it, and I've been saying it for a while. I think all of this stuff is connected, not just like the paranormal, but I even said, like the crypt of things, the UFO things, the orbs or whatever. I all have been saying for the last two years, and I feel like all the stuff somehow is connected. Yeah. I don't have any proof, It's just my personal belief because just from interviewing people, I found out that, like say, someone encountered a bigfoot, Well, if I keep asking, then well they've also probably seen a UFO at some point or or they've had some sort of paranormal activity to the place to be at like it all seems to be. And I don't know if it's connected to the people themselves or they're just more prone to it or open to it. But I feel like if one person has an encounter, more likely to find out they've had more than just that one once they started digging into it. Right right right, I found that too, By the way. Well, at least I'm not alone then. No, No, I've always been puzzled by that too, because I start talking to Bigfoot witnesses and I've been to many conferences. I was featured in one of Toab's movies with the Resonance pro people from Productions from Portland, Flash of Beauty, Paranormal Bigfoot. I have not. He sent me the links. Yeah, you should watch that one that has all these types of encounters, the weird things that happen around Bigfoot encounter as the orbs and balls of light and mind speak, all of that that you hit over and over again. These are just very good witness accounts of that. Their earlier film was called Bigfoot Reveal The Flashy with he Bigfoot Revealed and if you sort of watched that movie. You'll see that there are a lot of those types of encounters, and when I meet witnesses to these, you will often find that they had some experience earlier on as a child that you know, it makes you just more open to perceiving phenomena like this rather than having your brain. Your brain has a lot of defense mechanisms brand and it can tune things out and you can forget about things pretty quickly, and it has to because we're all survival oriented and we can't just be distracted by infinite number of phenomena around us every moment, right, So we're pretty focused like animals, and we pushed things away. And I'm one of these people too. I mean I had a UFO encounter with my mom in the Everglades when I was like eleven. We saw this object over us that I initially thought was the moon, And it didn't turn out to be the moon because the moon was on the horizon, but it was as big as a full moon on the horizon, you know how big that looked. It was that big, but it was over us, you know, a thousand feet up or something like this. Maybe a little more strange object perfectly round green, but it had solid dots in it. We had binoculars so we could look at this, and then it started moving from completely stationary. It just moved instantaneous acceleration as it's now called, right into a cloud. And my mom always said, that's when they's app you. That's why you're interested in all these topics. Right. I can't roll that out that that's what happened to me, but I think it did open my mind that there were things that you know. To this day, I can't easily explain what I saw with her there. It didn't fit any pattern of any technology we know about. So I think you're right because I've talked to people who've had very interesting, so called paranormal experiences as a child, and later on they see Bigfoot. So maybe what's going on here is that these people are just not as prone to tuning it out as people who've never had any experience. In other words, it's like a piece of clay. I mean, remember when you played with clay as a kid, and it would like take a little while to warm up, but once it got kind of warmed up, it was soft and you could kind of mold it. But when you just had that block like in grade school or something, and they split up the block. It was kind of hard at the beginning, kind of softened up. It's sort of what our minds are like to So maybe this is all part of the softening up procedure. Like you know, Brandon's like a que relative effect. The more experiences you have like this, the easier it is to experience it and not be so prone to trying to push it away. So I think that could be one explaon why that's true. I feel like for a lot of people to go out looking for this type of stuff though, and that's what I also find interesting. You don't seem to notice the ones that are out always looking they don't typically find much. But it's the ones that aren't even looking for to have the experiences that I've noticed, at least from what I've been looking into, like talking to people, like most of the times they have these experiences, they don't even believe in this type of stuff. They do now, right, right, But then you have the people that dedicate their whole life searching for things and never get anything to happen. So it's kind of stright. You'll find though, even those people who just have those experiences. Sometimes they've had other experiences before and so they're just a little more open to it. Yeah. I know a woman that she was outside the LA area, Calabasas County Park, I think it is not far from LA and she, you know, she sees this bigfoot appear in front of her and it walks into a tree and disappears. And she said she didn't even believe in bigfoot, but she saw it happen, was right there. And when you do your research, you have a lot of people Ron Moore than others who said they they were in trees, they disappeared into trees. I've heard this even from accounts from laggers from decades ago. And when you look at that range of evidence and you have a lot of people saying they have some connection of doing bigfoot in trees that are going into the trees, trees that are too small to hide a big bigfoot, right, and the evidence spans decades, you start to wonder whether there's some aspect of that that's actually correct, even if it's not easy to understand how it's happening. And this is why people like Ron moorehead go off in the direction of a quantum explanation because quantum matter can do things like that, it can become wavelike and less physical and you know, take different forms. It's sort of explainable that way rather than from the typical Newtonian mechanistic perspective. So the experiences that people have kind of lead them to look for these alternative explanations. I think, Brandon, when I hear you know, do you think it's flesh and blood or quantum? You've heard this type of discussion. Maybe you've had it on the show. Is it wo or flesh and blood? People are asked to choose sides. It's it's always both because, as we were saying earlier, even things that are quote unquote flesh and blood physical have a quantum frequency. And there's a very simple formula to discover it. It's something like it's something like wavelength divided by plank wisconstant gives you the frequency that simple. So I mean it's going back over one hundred years now, So that's why people go in that direction. And I think that it's always has a quantum aspect to it. Now. The fact that you and I and our listening audience mostly see the world with the appearance of being physical doesn't mean that it's solid the way it looks, because even atomic structures are mostly empty space, and we know there are things that are called solar nutrinos from the Sun. We're told that there's a billion going through your hand every second, each of your hands. That's how many solar natrinos are going through us all the time. They are so small they never hit anything, and it takes an average of one going in lead for ten light years ten years going through lead before it's going to hit something on average right, and leads a very dense substance. So even with that idea, we can see that what appears to be physical is actually a frequency. From our perception, it has that feeling of being solid, But what feels solid to you and me is just the electric charges repulsing each other. When your hand or your body becomes near something else, there's a repulsive effect, and the charges, electromagnetic charges, you know, create this reality where things stay as separate objects. But that doesn't mean in other states they can't merge, they can't blend, things can't go through them that make them look a little less solid. Yeah, I talked to someone last year trying to remember which the episode it was. We discussed a lot of stuff about frequencies and the whole whole matter everything we're all made of, basically vibration and frequencies and everything else. So for me, it's like I understand the concept, but trying to explain this to people that don't see things that way, Like you mentioned the flesh and blood aspect, Like just use Bigfoot for an example. I get people arguing with me sometimes on the Internet because I don't necessarily think Bigfoot is just a undiscovered primate running around in the forest that leaves random the footprints that just disappear like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So when you throw in that wu side to it, your labeled as crazy because but if you look at it from more of the I don't want to call them like interdimensional but more or less around a different frequency Wavelinger, that can change that somehow it makes more sense to me. It might not make sense to someone else, but right a little bit more sense to me. It makes it then explaining the impossibility of how tracks can just disappear, how these things walk doros the stream, they're gone, that it makes me understand it better, I guess. Right, And that's what matters. I mean, the people that are going to label you as crazy just just don't have a lot of education in the history of science, because that rubric has been applied to everyone who's ever invented anything, with very few exceptions. Everything at the time that it was invented, people would see it as science fiction. You know, what was the headline about the Wright brothers liars or flyers or liars right that the New York Times or one of the main papers that at the time, everything that we now accept around us is obvious at one point was considered hoax or crazy or something like this. And so we can't listen to that type of rhetoric from those sorts of people because they would have considered, you know, Michael Faraday and James Maxwell crazy too, the founders of electromagnetism and the basis of all the technology that allows us to communicate like this, you know, control of the electromagnetic spectrum and the quantum functions, you know, this quantum tunneling feature and all these things that are are the basis of transistors and electronics. At the time Faraday and later Maxwell, you know, they were considered like crackpots, right, because you can't see electromagnetism, can you not directly? You can see light, but you can't see how it actually works. You can't see radio eight. So every inventor has always been accused of, you know, being fake or being crazy or eccentric or something like this, and then those technologies later on turnaround to make our lives really different. So I wouldn't listen to people like that that just say, oh, you're mentioning the WU factor. Of the quantum factor. I mean, quantum mechanics has been established whendin Einstein Will's Nobel Prize in nineteen twenty something like this, It's been established for one hundred years. Now, Okay, it's real. Now. It may be challenging for us to understand how something could be both a particle in a wave at the same time, you know, and the double slit experiment that shows correlations between one particle in itself and so forth, and all these ideas they may be challenging. It doesn't mean they're not real. Just because it's not easy for your brain to wrap itself around it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, because that's just the nature of scientific progress. So to apply some of these quantum ideas to bigfoot, to me, does not seem like a stretch at all, given we already accept the role of quantum mechanics and radio waves and fiber optics and every other type of technology that we use. It's just another way to look at it. And by the way, if those people don't think the quantum explanation works, I mean, it may be something else. What what's their explanation for all this? Apart from calling all these people who experienced this, you know, accusing them of making it up? What would how would you? You can always say what what's your explanation for? How bigfoot can become invisible instantly? Like I've heard so many people describe over the years of different conferences who they've seen this happens the time. They don't have an answer, Yeah, I mean, how would you explain it? And they go, well, you know, but people seen this. I mean a lot of people have seen this. It's hard for them to talk about it. You experience it, you don't even know what you've seen, but you've seen something there and then there's little pixels of light as you've heard, come down like a curtain and they're gone, there's somewhere else, you know, maybe there's a shimmering effect left over. And it's so consistent this description. It sounds like some sort of variant of electromagnetism that we just don't completely understand. But you know, we have materials that can cloak like that. You've heard of meta materials, and you've seen this examples of DARPA on the Defense Department creating these invisibility clothing and so forth that just passes the light from behind it forward, so it sort of looks invisible. Right. We've seen examples of this. So it's sort of like a double standard because on one hand, we accuse people who talk like this of being involved with fringe science or pathological science, pseudoscience that's a vay one. And yet at the same time you can see plenty of defense contractors getting patents that Lockey Martin had a patent a few years ago that was accepted by the Patent Office for coherent matter wave themes, and they claim to be able to project energy and information at a distance communications like we were talking about the irono bone effect. All the whole patent's based on the ironho boon effect, creating directed energy weapons, and all sorts of telepathy, telekinesis, all sorts of interesting effects that they claim to be able to do with ordinary matter. And they used that analogy of murmerations of birds and flocks of fish as an analogy to what they were developing. They say to be turned into interesting technology. So when they do it, it's just considered like you know, engineering in business. But if people experience it in an uncontrolled setting, they're accused of being pseudoscientists. It's quite a contradiction in that in the sort of mindset of those who would like this to go away. But I mean it doesn't go away because people experience like the drone situation we've had. I'm in the East Coast right now, you know. I mean, yesterday you had the Defense Department FBI come out and say there's nothing going on here, like John Kirby, the spokesman for the White House, there's is hobbyist drones, this, that and the other thing, misidentifications of aeroplanes. And yet here today the FAA imposes flight restrictions on drones in eleven locations in New Jersey. Just a day later, so there's nothing going on, and it's misidentifications to planes. Why are their drone restrictions. There's a contradiction going on here. So what I'm suggesting, Brandon, is you get this with these skeptics too. Okay, nothing, there's nothing wrong with being skeptical. I've been skeptical too. I was skeptical of remote viewing in an open minded way, but I didn't really think I could do it. But I was able to do it like a lot of people can do it. So what's their explanation for these phenomena if they're and if they're not going to suggest that, Brandon, are they even really interested in the subject at all? You know, if they if there's no proof that they would even hypothetically accept, are they even operating in the realm of science at all? Or are they just operating in their own superstition? Mm hmm. That's how when it comes to the drones, I was going to say, I think a lot of what's going on now, I think a lot of people are using their own drones to try to jump on that bandwagon. But I don't think that's what was going on originally. No, no, no, right, there's always a copycat effect, you know, Brandon. These things are quite complex. You do get this copycat effect. I'm sure there are people around us that let's send up our drones, right, and we'll send it near the local airbase and we'll cause a stirn they'll shut down the base and stuff. Yeah, you do get that copycat effect. And yet at the same time, some of it can't be the copycat effect because hobbyist drones don't stay up for six or seven hours like these objects do. I spoke to a woman in Morristown and said this thing was flying up and down the street all night. She could hear it. The type of drones you and I buy and hobbyists by the battery goes at best for half an hour, right. I looked it up. What the DJI Mavic four can do? The latest one from dj I went one of the more recent ones, right, and it's thirty four minutes under optimal conditions with no maneuvering. So more likely you're talking twenty minutes. Right. Things are staying up all time, you know, all night. So and they're big, and we don't know what propulsion system is going to keep something in the size of a car up there all night. It's got to be pretty big batteries there are. I heard today Brandon, this is interesting. There are companies exploring the idea of using hydrogen as a fuel for drones, so you can half them up there longer, right, not half an hour, but you know, you could have them up two to four hours. Sure, it's a good idea. It's completely experimental at this point. No one's selling drones like this, so for skeptics, you know, and I've heard. I even had some friends who were pilots, you know, for United and so far. I spoke to them the other day in the Vegas area and they thought, oh, sim you know, this is just misidentifications. It's mass hysteria, right, And I'm friends with you know, it's former pilot. So I'm just kind of joking around with him. I know he would be he's open to evidence too, But I mean, if that is the case, what are what is up there for hours? Every night? I've I've I put up a video on my YouTube channel today with and I played interview. I made recorded a couple of guys with two witnesses in the New York area, Westchester County, and one of them filmed these things very close to his house, and you can see these objects moving one way, then they turn around, they go back, they meet up with the other obs that and they're up there for quite a while. That just doesn't it's not easily explainable by our technology to have so many of these in so many places doing things the size that they are. Some of them are very big, doing things that they're doing with like a couple. Let me give an example, Brandon, and you've heard about electromagnetic jamming of these drones, these drone busters. Yeah, well, apparently they don't work on these drones. If what I'm hearing is correct, you can immobilize them this way. And hobbyists who have sent their drones up when they've seen them, like one fellow did it near three drones near Picatinny Arsenal in Northern Jersey. We've heard about this military base that does a lot of military industrial research and production. He said his battery immediately went to zero when it got close to these other drones, like they had their own countermeasures built in. I mean, what's doing that? So I think think there really are a lot of good questions about these drones. They've been seen by a lot of people law enforcement, you know, swarms of them, thirty to fifty eight at the same time, and those are not easily explainable. You know, it's been going on for weeks. But these UFO flaps tend to be like this. They tend to seem kind of like the technology you have at the time, a little more advanced, and they're often not explainable. I'll just give you an example of that. I went out to eastern Colorado, you know, living in Boulder, I went out to Limeman, Colorado area and talk to people in that droned flap of twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and everybody I spoke to knew somebody who had seen them and described them going really fast, you know, faster than cars on a highway, much faster, and staying up there all night in informations. And yet if there was an obvious explanation, the FBI task force that went out there never had an explanation. And the interagency task force between all these different sheriffs departments in eastern Colorado Nebraska, when they had their meeting in alignment, they never they couldn't figure it out. You'd think, well, who would know. Maybe the Air Force, their air force bass around there. When we looked at their internal emails, you know from Foyer requests, you can see them they're expressing this kind of curiosity and sense of astonishment over what's going on two in their internal emails. So nobody had an explanation, even Department of Transportation secretary at the time, Elaine Chow, I think Chew her name was under the previous Trump administration, right, she had a press conference. So we don't know what they are. And I know the State Police of Colorado sent up their sort of a wax plane with a lot of electronic sensors where they can detect a lot, and they I think they saw them, but they couldn't keep up with them and they couldn't figure it out. So all of these different agencies, law enforcement, military years over a couple of years from that wave Brandon in Colorado, no explanation, and then it just stopped. So what is that? What I mean? I don't know. All I know is it really could have some other implications that are less easy to understand. Maybe they're not drones, that's what we're calling them. Maybe they's something else. I find it interesting, And maybe it's just me being or of a conspiracy type of a person. But they turned the word UFO into UAP recently. You don't hear about ufoi e run UAPUAP. And now all of a sudden, they're pushing the word drone again, like this is being thrown out there like all these things going on, or now they're not even calling UAP's just saying drones like that is the narrative that's been pushed for the last couple of weeks. It's drones, right the thing? Are Are they drones? That's yeah, a lot of the stuff that I've been seeing. How do they know they're even a drone? They're just something flying We back in the right, we had mass sightings of multiple orange orbs. It flew from a town south of where I live, and they flew up this way. They flew past my town and everything else, and they were almost in a pattern drones would fly that far because it's a good forty to fifty miles that it flew right right and they kept being in sequence. And I've seen some of the videos that actually made it on, Like my sister in law seen it. Yep, I've seen it. Like she calls my wife to tell her that Hey, we just saw this thing, tell Brandon, because they all know I'm the crazy guy that's all into this stuff. But how many people saw this thing and they were all freaking out by it? But they weren't calling them drones. They were calling them orange orbs or UFOs like that was being discussed. But all of a sudden, now everything over in Jersey and now everywhere else I've been seeing and hearing about, they're calling them drones. It's almost like to me, it's like they're pushing that ord out. I think so. I think it's a great point, Brandon. We tend to use the vocabulary that we're familiar with, and authorities and organizations and bureaucracies tend to use the words that fit their narrative price there. But the big question is are they drones what we call drones, which are you know, like radio controlled devices with certain characteristics, or given the speed of these things and their ability to maneuver and stay up all night, are they aircraft of some type UFOs UAP, you know, the new name as your poign has a new name, politically neutral term unidentified aerial phenomena. Our force calls them UAS's unidentified aerial system, which is even more neutral, isn't it unidentified aerial system? So I mean, seriously, it doesn't seem like we're dealing with drones here. The drones you and I are familiar to, you know, they have that mosquito buzz sound to them, right, we're all from with those. I've played with them. I haven't used the more sophisticated ones, but I've been around people that are very skilled, who have, you know, even a license to fly them, and I saw them people use them around the crop circles in the UK pilots, and I'm familiar with the characteristics of those vehicles and these do not seem to be like that. They're a lot bigger, a lot bigger. I mean we're talking in the size. So the witness I spoke is said it was the size of a car sedan up in the sky. That's pretty big. That seems to me more like a UFO. I'm not saying UFO. It has to be extraterrestrial. I don't know where it's from, but it's unidentified and it's an object and it's flying, So why not just call them UFOs until we can identify them. They're not any of the transponder signals that are now legally required of civilian drones. Right, they all have a transponder in them now, so you can see whose it is. And there's a lot of rules and regulations around drones. You know, when you can fly them, how high, you know, what you where you can go with them. You can't fly over crowds of people for safety reasons or people. So these are all violating whatever FA rules are out there. So I think your point's are valid. One And some of my videos, you know, all the videos I've made about these in the past two weeks, I say, quote unquote drones. I think you know, I think you're right. I think well we should call them UFOs, UAP, whatever you want to call them until they're identified. And it's just amazing to me. Here we are, weeks and weeks into this. It actually started a number of years ago Colorado, and you had those navy incidents off the coast of California twenty nineteen, also swarms of objects coming around naval fleets, and those those military ships have anti drone warfare units on board. They would have to nowadays, right, and we're told they couldn't immobilize them so if you have this drone immobilizing equipment and it's not immobilizing the drones, is it a drune? I think it's a realistic question to ask. It's just something our minds assumes they are. Like when people see a bigfoot and the authorities will say, if you're reported that you saw a bear, right, because that's the closest thing they can understand, assuming they're not deliberately trying to fool you, which they might be. The bear thing off, But the. Bear thing you saw? What? Or pack of dogs right? Right? Yeah? And you know it's ridiculous because you don't have bears walking on two legs, and they don't run at those speeds and they certainly don't how with those they don't howl at all, so uh, they don't not at those volume levels. So it's just ridiculous. And it seems to me like we're doing the same thing with these objects. These objects could be it could be anything, and we really don't know. Maybe there is a terrestrial explanation. But don't you find it kind of interesting here we are a month into the New Jersey quote unquote drone situation, right, and there's not one reasonable explanation put forward that makes any sense. Every day the narrative changes. You know, a week ago, it was like Iranian mothership off the coast of New Jersey. Yeah, I think, I said. Last week I heard it was Iranians with the mothership was off there and these are all their little things. Well if that was really true, why haven't we scrambled to take them down? Yeah, because there's no ship there, Brandon, there is no Iranian chef. It was something said this, and then it was the Russians, right, they're getting us back for Ukraine, and it was this idea, well there's a lot of weapons that go over from New Jersey to Ukraine, so it's Russian drones doing some sort of surveillance, you know. Then it was China. I say, the one thing that I remember was from last year that everyone seemed to have even brought up, really is the thing that was floating. They claim it was the Chinese balloon. Yeah, this bibuloon that was. Ever like for some reason that just kind of got swept under the rug. Like, yeah, it flew across the whole US. Right, and then we just quit talking about it. And now all these drones are flying around while I say, drone right. Right, exactly exactly right, and then. We're talking about it or doing anything about it. If the government knows these things are out there. You have one member of the government claiming they were Iranian drones from my mother ship. Where the hell did he get his information at? I have no idea, But why would you go on public TV and say that in the media unless that's what the nerd if you wanted to throw out there. Just strike fear into people. I honestly think they know what they are and if it's not them doing it, they just know they can't control them, so they're just going to ignore it. And just that's the way they go about it. Yeah, ignore it, throw enough confusion in there, put out some fake stories about it. Like you know, they're searching for radioactive material. That seems sort of plausible, right, Except it doesn't because the witness I interviewed knows about searches like this. On my YouTube channel today, someone I've known for a while, and you said, if they're doing a search, they're not doing it very well because they're just like crisscrossing each other. They don't seem to be going in any pattern. You know, they're not doing it very efficiently. But these seem to be just stories that are put out there to keep us from the real truth of what it is. And I'm not a really conspiracy theorist. I'm just going on what's happened in the past couple of weeks about this. If you discount foreign adversaries and the military says, well, it's not and then you have other people saying, well, it's not us technology, who does that leave who else is out there? You know, President elect Trump had a comment with this about two days ago, right in an old press conference. He said he wasn't going to Bedminster, his property out there because of the situation with these objects. And he said in this press conference that the government knows what they are, but for some reason, they don't want to say what it is. So, you know, you start ending up thinking it's just easier to believe that there are another civilization, civilization's vehicles or so. I mean, that becomes plausible when you discount everything else, assuming we're being told the truth about it. So I think you need to consider all the possibilities. And again, we've had waves of UFOs over the decades, going back to the eighteen nineties with the airships. Right before airships were technically invented, there were airships flying around the US. Who had the technology back then to do this wasn't Russia or China, right, Who wasn't back then because airships weren't invented for another couple of years. And here these are flying around with pilots that we're told we're speaking of foreign language. People that heard them said it was another language. There's new super articles about this, you know, Aurora, Texas, Doublin, Texas, places where they're all over the Midwest, you know. And some people said, well, it was just newspapers generating publicity for their town or something like. A funeral for one of the pilots or whatever. Yeah, ahead a few in Aurora for this. They called him a spaceman. They called him a spaceman who who was around back then that was shorter, smaller, and they would describe as a spaceman the pilot. Yeah, that's right. You start connecting the dots here. It seems like another civilization that we're not familiar with, who can modify their systems to look like what'sever understood at the time, what's kind of common that's not going to cause panic, right. So, in the eighteen nineties it would have been airships. If we saw that around, it'd be a little weird. Now we're used to more, you know, modern blimps. But nowadays, you know, and we had flying triangles in the Hudson Valley at one point in the eighties and those go back decades too, and then now they're these so called drones. It just seems to fit a pattern to me. It does at least of what these what this sort of intelligence can manifest itself as. At least that's one explanation if now, Brandon, if these do have some sort of obvious explanation at the end, I'm open to that. I could believe these are Department of Energy vehicles. I saw one myself just coming through New Jersey on Friday night last Friday, as of this recording, and I wasn't sure what I was looking at. It was by I eight by Patterson, and I'm coming into the New York area from out west, you know, and this thing. I at first I thought, oh, it's one of the drums. Then I said, oh, no, it has wings. It's a plane. And then I look at it again. I said, the lights are not in the right place for a conventional plane, and it's flying pretty slow, and it's level. It's too low for a plane. Planes don't fly that low over populated areas. They can go as low as five hundred feet. But I think technically, but this disc didn't seem right and it just made a ninety degree turn in just seconds, pretty quick turn. Didn't take up a lot of sky to make this turn like planes do flying at two hundred knots. And I checked flight radar twenty four. You know, there was no planes north of A eighty at that time, and none of them in the area even made a direct right angle turn, and most of them were at fourteen thousand feet. There were some at three thousand feet, but not what I saw. This thing was I don't know, maybe one thousand feet, and it didn't seem to be going fast enough to avoid a stall. I mean, I've taken private pilot ground school, so I know a little bit about this, So I'm not even sure what I saw. I mean, I'm gonna witness because when I looked at it and I said, oh, that's that weird plane that people have talked about that seems to hover. It had all the same lights. I'd seen pictures of this on the news. Now, if there is a conventional explanation, someone wrote on my YouTube channel, maybe you were looking at a radio controlled plane like a scale model, and you just thought it was bigger. I guess perhaps, But it looked to me more close to like this a seven thirty seven, but with a ton like as like a flying Christmas tree. That's how much light it had. It just wasn't going anywhere. It looked like it was, you know. It reminded me of an advertising blimp at a football game. But it had wings like a plane. It had a cockpit, it had a tail. It didn't have rows of windows like you would expect in a passenger plane or any plane coming out of Teeterborough Airport not too far away, you know. So anyway, I saw one of these things and it made me think of the airships. Did I see something that was just pretending to be look like a plane? So I think it's a good discussion. And again, Brandon, just to sum this up, I mean, I'm open to a conventional explanation if the government comes forward tomorrow and says they were secret planes looking for radioactives. We didn't want to scare people. I'm open to that explanation, but they're saying it's that's not what it is. Yeah, for me, I don't I don't know if this was true, because obviously I take whatever I see on the internet with a grain of salt. But did you see where one of these were supposedly stuck in a tree and it almost looked like a blue amoba? Yeah? What what in the world is that? What was that? Did? What is that? I saw the video, I saw the photos. I sent it to one of my friends and he's like, it looks like I was like, I have no idea. I was like, I don't know if it's even real or if this is just something that someone's made up. Now, right, It's hard to know, isn't it. It's hard to know. But that's looks like, yeah, that was a real thing. That doesn't look like a drone. It did not look like a drone. I mean, yeah, my reaction is the same as yours. I'm looking at that, thinking, wow, this is really weird looking. It sort of looks sort of lifelike. Am I looking at something that was generated? You know, AI can generate a lot of stuff nowadays. It's hard to know that's it's it's it's a little hard to know exactly. But I saw the same video and it was wondering the same thing as you were. Yeah, it was definitely one of those. It looked real enough, but it doesn't. It doesn't look It almost looked like what you would see like when you a microbe, like when you zoom on the MicroB what it looked like an actual biological living theme. That's what it looked like, right, Which I don't know. Yeah, good. I'll just say there's stories out there, and I don't know where they come from. Ort But there was that movie that came out a couple of years ago called Nope, and the UFO was actually spoiler alert for anyone that's never seen the movie was actually a living entity, like it was a living creature. The UFO itself was not being controlled, like it was actual biological whole thing. And I've heard stories from other things, from other podcasts and other researchers. They claim that these types of things are actually real in our atmosphere. We just don't see them all the time. They're like these living biles in the sky. Maybe some of these drones that people are seeing quote unquot drones, maybe some of these things, who knows. I think that's a possibility. I mean that ever since I started looking into bigfoot en cryptids, and you start reading the literature and Stan Gordon and other people like this, you realize there are other types of creatures that we don't even have names for, other types of life forms, right what you're suggesting, And then you start thinking people have claimed these exist in the atmosphere. Trevor James Constable and other researchers in past decades have had telescopes looking for these things and pere to have photographs of something like that. So yeah, then you begin to wander, are there other types of life forms in the atmosphere that maybe, for some reason, we just we don't know about that? You know, no one never really told us about. Maybe they're rare and maybe they happen to be swarming together right now. I mean, the discussion we're having in it, it could be answered with evidence. And it is a little perplexing given that there are drone anti drone systems that drop nets on drones from other drones that there hasn't been a press conference once yet so far in the past month from something in New Jersey or the tri state area here where some one of these has been captured. I mean, we've heard that there have been some crashes and they've been discovered. And there was some memo I saw put out by the New Jersey State Police saying, if you see one of these on the ground, you know, treated as potentially dangerous, called the bomb squad whatever. Why are they saying that, if we're told they're no thread, why would you need to take those precautions? What you know, you would think these some of these have been recovered, find out any technology, there's going to be some failure rate, right, and we would have one of these close up, and we could open it up and see what the language is on the inside of the parts, you know how it works. We don't have anything yet. All we have is that video you're talking about someone seeing one allegedly in a tree or stuck in a tree or something. Right. So, ah, I think it's a good question. I'm kind of an evidenced based guy too. Everything I do is browsed on some sort of evidence. I just think the evidence is a wider range of evidence than mainstream sciences bother to look at were and it's these objects a single piece of anything. So far, I strengthened this morning things this morning that was a it was actually a side beside comparison. It was supposedly a New Jersey police officer standing next to a crashed drone and then next to him was the photo from like the famous photo that you got from Roswell or the guy's holding up like the pieces of that they had them side by side. Is like, this does not look familiar, like it was almost like a stage thing. They're saying, this is what fell, is just a drone, normal looking drone, and overhears Roswell with the weather balloon. Mm hmm. I was like, that's actually a pretty good comparison. Now, I don't know if that photo of the down drone was actually a real photo from recent stuff, but I did see that today. Again, it's on the internet, so who the whole knows if it's real or not? Yeah, I exactly, we don't know. You and I don't know, and neither to do people listening to this broadcast. But we do have organizations and entities that can look at things like this and come to some decision about it, right, But we sort of expect them to do this. So why aren't they doing it? I can't believe. So, you just had this FAA restriction go into place in New Jersey today about these objects, and it said they can use force to bring these objects down if they go into any of these restricted areas, which I you know, power plants and reservoirs and things like this military basis. So, I mean, I would hope expect that we get a piece of something to take a look at. I mean, don't you just find it a little odd? Here we are a month into the New Jersey so called drone wave and there's no evidence of anything that can hold off and say, you see it was a drone and it's made by x y Z company. Nothing really seriously, with all the resources we have. There was a New Jersey State Police helicopter following one and they said they felt concerned about getting too close to it, so they broke off the chase. What would they be concerned about if it's I don't know. I mean, you've got this big helicopter up there and you don't want anything going into your rotor. I get that, right, Sure that's true. If it's that uncontrolled. But if it's a threat to your police helicopter, normally, you know, the police are known to take action if you're like a threat to them, like they're going to do something. So it's just odd if you felt this was not obeying FAA regulations and it was above four hundred feet and it was a threat to your helicopter, I'm assuming could interfere with any of the tail roader or the main roader, right, and that would be a catastrophe. If something hits that and it shatters, then you have you know, when you try to outrun the police on the highway when they're going to give you a ticket and you speed up, I mean, do they break off the chase or do they kind of find a way. Yeah, they can immobilize you if they want. They can use lethal force if they ambassador, if they feel like you're a danger. Right, So you know this is why most of us when police flash their lights, we pull our car over. It's pretty rare that you don't listen to that and you just keep going faster. So why is that true in the air that you're not calling other resources, you're not dropping a net on it. I mean I don't see seriously, Brandon, I don't see much initiative here to try to figure this out. And that makes me a little suspicious, right. It's like, why wouldn't want to put the effort in. They don't want to talk about it, They just. Want to don't want to put the effort exactly. I don't understand it. If it's again, if it is a potential hazard, and I don't know how realness is other than again, like you're seeing people posting, but I was told by someone that they were around an airport. Well they had to shut down the airport because it was potentially a hazard. Well, if you're shutting down flights because these unknown quote unquote drones could potentially cause a airplane to crash or something flying to crash, you would think they'd investigated more rather than just ignoring it. You would think. So it's strange. It's it's really strange, you know, it's it's a threat to flight safety. People could be hurt or killed a collision if one of these goes into the engine of a big jet or something right right hits the wing. And where is the effort to try to deal with this, apart from shutting it in my area. Stewart International up by Newburgh, New York was shut down upstate New York. And then I was told that Philadelphia Airport was temporarily shut down for this reason, right Patterson air Force Base, And I think several others, and you were mentioning copycats in the beginning. May maybe some people are doing this and so forth. But I mean, it seems a little lackadaisical here. Why not you have about you put some spotlights out and you try to see what you're dealing with here, and you I think I heard one of the FA administrators or airport administrators saying in testimony today I was watching this clip from Congress. He said, we don't have the authority to do anything about this. We don't, you know. We could call the police or something, but we're not allowed to. We're not in the business of shooting objects down around the airport. We have to call someone else to do it. So their initial response would be to close it down. But I agree this whole thing is it's strange, and the response drones are one aspect of it, and this government response is really odd. It doesn't give you a lot of confidence in them, does it. They seem like they're disorganized, they don't have their messaging together. And I think what this speaks to Brandon, if I can just say this, it has to do with seventy years of avoiding this topic, of just saying it was weather balloons, swamp gas, flocks of geese, or misidentifications of satellites or ice crystals. Ever since Roswell, there's been a disinformation campaign to attempt to get the public to be disinterested in the subject, right, and it's gone on decade after decades. So anytime you have really good, legitimate sightings with photographs and video, it's always explained away as being, you know, a weather balloon or flocks of geese or some some ridiculous explanation, when it could have been one of these objects that people even saw decades ago. So it seems to me that the lesson here is avoiding discussion of this topic has led to an ability of government to even deal with it in an intelligent matter when it has to be dealt with when it's shutting down airports. That's getting pretty serious when you're shutting down airports for safety reasons. So I think this is created from our own denial it's half seventy years of the Robertson Panel, which you know, the government panel, the CIA panel that recommended ridicule of the topic and misinformation to get the public less interested in it, so it would avoid this type of confusion that we're experiencing right now, where government agencies were becoming ineffective and the public was kind of getting hysterical about it, and the Robertson Panel kind of saw this could happen, and they felt during the Cold War, this could be like a threat from the Soviets, you know, to create like psychological warfare. So they were the ones that created this policy of ridical to UFOs and just making fun of the subject and National Inquirer the checkout stand with silly articles and things to make you think it was some sort of joke. So here we are, all these decades later, we don't have a capacity to deal with a genuine unknown flight, you know, aerial phenomen that that we don't know what it is. And you know, the net effect of this, simply put Brandon, is to make people distrust the government, and it feeds conspiracy theories. I would take so long I think that it's gone to the point now to where they can't come out and just say things because then they have to admit for the disinformation they've done for seventy plus years. Right, No, that's that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, right, that is that's it. That's it. It's it's if you came out and told the truth now, then you'd have to say, well, we just like, yeah, we weren't telling you the truth in the past. We've been watching these objects for decades and we don't know what they are, and you have to say, well, why didn't you tell us? Right, And they wouldn't have any good reason, so that it's it's sort of like, once you start creating falsehoods, you've got to build bigger falsehoods to support the previous falsehoods. Right. It's gotten to the point where it's snowball effecting to where eventually there's gonna be something that they can't deny and they're just gonna have to play dumb about it, be like, oh, we had no idea. But for me, it's like you've had information for years in the public. You've used it to try and get some sort of edge on whatever you perceive as enemies. You've kept the quiet about from the public eye, and now there's more things coming out and we're just gonna. We're just gonna because you know. An example of something that that's similar to that I've also followed, which is research, and I talked to people. The more research I did, the more questionable it seemed to whether water flooridation was really a good idea or not. There definitely were risks to it, and it didn't seem to be very effective. Talking as a statistician, the studies were pretty weak, and it took a long time until we had that federal decision from a judge in the Northern California Court against the EPA from citizens groups, and he ruled that it was a neurotoxin and there was no safe level of fluoride in water. DPI couldn't prove the safety of it, and he ordered them a couple months ago to regulate it like a toxin. Right. Well, since that time, I'm just using this as an example. You could disagree on Florida or anything, but I'm just using it as an example. You've had a lot of other states and municipalities come out saying we think there's too much of a risk to it, and this is a practice that's been in the United States since like the fifties, right water floridation, and even like the coch Crane Report, which is a very well respected independent research group in the UK, came out with research saying it seems that the benefit, if any, is pretty minimal now, mainly because there's floridated toothpaste and mouth for insist and so for there wasn't those things in the fifties, but now there's a lot of ways to get Florida on your teeth if you want to apply it topically. And they're saying the benefit of water flooridation is just so minimal now it's not clear if it even has any benefits, but there seem to be some risks, so it really has to be reassessed. And you had the search in General of Florida come out and say this about two weeks ago, that he's going to recommend that all municipalities and cities in Florida stop using water floridation. And every day now you're talking about this snowball effect and I'm just getting I'm just using as an example. Every day you're seeing someone come forward from some city in the US or some water district saying we've decided to stop floridating. So the science can turn around and get people to question something, which it was very hard to question it because the CDC has a lot of power over local municipalities and they give money and so forth, a lot of money in some cases to support water floridation. You had the ADA and all these different trade groups. That's really all they are is trade groups professionals endorsing it. And so people that questioned it were like ridiculed and accused of being flat earthers. And you know. That movie from what was it from the seventies with Peter Sellers about the bomb and so forth? What was that movie? Yeah? Were they they they you know, they seem like crackpots, you know, and and they mentioned water flooridation there with these kind of military crack pots. And so so I've seen this before in this whole area of water floration, and a similar pattern emerges. Once you have a federal court, someone has the guts to go against the entire federal establishment and say, look, I a judge, I think it's a neurotoxin. That's what the evidence shows. Lowers I cut and it has to be reevaluated. EPA. You have to do something after all these years, and then it's there's a snowball effect. This is what could happen again with this topic. Is someone that we trust, like a federal judge or something like this, could come forward and say, Okay, I've had enough of this. Here's what's going on, And it could, like you're suggesting, I mean, it could cause a real continuing snowball effect right where we really stop trusting the government in a big way because they did such a bad job with this. I think the Trump administration seems more open to talking about this than the Biden administration, and they really, you know, just saying oh, it's misidentify planes, that's who we're saying earlier on just doesn't wash. So then you start to wonder, well, how much else what they're telling us is also a fallacy? Like remember you mentioned the Chinese balloon, right, there were three other objects that were shut down besides that balloon in Alaska, and the pilots there I think are on record saying they didn't know what they were shooting down. They're not sure what this thing was. There were other witnesses out there, and remember, going back to the invasion of Iraq, it was justified on weapons of mass destruction, and you had these witnesses come forward who we found later have been paid a lot informants from defectors from Iraq who said, you know, their weapons of mass direction and there were no weapons of mass deduction. We got involved in an entire war over there for something that didn't exist. I think eventually it leads people to be more distrustful right government, and we can see this pattern, so it's not just in this subject area. I mean it can lead to society wasting a lot of resources money and a lot of people losing their lives and unnecessary wars that are fictitious where it's made up the facts and in the end of the day it was a totally different story, and it could happen with this too. Because I'm not getting a good feeling so far, Brandon from the federal response at all. It just doesn't feel right to me. They have an opportunity to say something intelligent. They don't have to say what it is, but just to completely deny it and just say that all the people I've spoken to and people you've seen one of the news, and all those sheriff's departments and state police are seeing these things coming off the ocean whatever, just to tell them, oh, you know, you're misintentifying airplanes like fifty it once doesn't make sense, just doesn't make sense. The thing is someone reported seeing these things coming out of the water. Yeah, don't have any drones that can fly like they come out of the water then they continue to fly. When does that technology exist that we're aware of? This consumer grade where people if it comes from how far out of the water and then just lies without issue like I don't know about I. Don't think so. And I yeah, we've heard they've coming over the water. I did see a video today like you're saying at one that seemed to come down to go went into the water. I just don't no. I again, it's really pushing the limits of conventional technology. So either Look, this is kind of a win win situation for those of us who are just interested in reality as it is, right, like just those of us that are kind of neutral that just want to know what sort of universe we live in, whatever it turns out to be, multiverse, whatever it is. The longer this goes on and the government doesn't have any credible response, the more it's likely to the narrative will switch to people more on the lines of the type of conversation we're having here where we at least have some facts and we know something about it, and it really will cause us to reevaluate other issues like happened with floride. You wonder what else are they telling us that's just fiction? Right, So you're the one that used the word snowball effect. It can keep snowballing for quite a while. It could keep snowballing for well. You eventually have congressional hearings. We've had these congressional hearings about UFO UAP recently and Senate Congress. I know they haven't been very much in depth what we wanted, but it's a start in the right direction, and you know, it just could lead to various departments in the government, like losing their credibility in a big way. Wasn't the whole like the disclosure thing with Congress and everything that was put to order. That was one of the last things that the previous Trump administration put into like their fiscal budget, wasn't it. So how that come about? Because I thought that was like one of the could do one of those bills or something. It wasn't there, and Congress said that Pentagon has to report to them as National Defense Authorization Act included these provisions to have reporting on UAP. That's how with arrow. Yeah, I don't believe they really are reporting everything at all, but I. See how they could be. Yeah, at least they got a lot more objects to explain now. Or ignore because that seems to be their their go to at the moment. Well, yeah, so if they ignore it, well, how many other airports are we going to tolerate being shut down? It's very expensive, right you realize how expective it is to shut down airports Brandon. At some point, something's going to have to give one way. Or the other. Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. Something has to give, and that's what it will come out of this. I heard Jay Stratton lecture at the Phenomena con conference in Vernal, Utah earlier this year about being on the UAP Task Force. He was in the first director of the UP task Force, one of the initiatives that came out of Congress, I believe even back then asking for some reporting from the Pentagon about this, and you know, he said they tried to find where these programs were They never really found any particular UFO program or anything. But he said the motivation of the military maybe up Task Force came out of the Pentagon itself. Their motivation was that when they shut down airports or flight training exercises, it's very expensive. And you put up a chart of how much all the different aircraft the US Navy and Air Force have costs to run per hour, right and get ready for combat simulations and all this, And I mean the cheapest one is the A ten work get something like fifteen thousand an hour, and it just goes up from there through these different planes that we're all familiar with, through the F sixteen to thirty five F eighteens, they end up costing like thirty forty thousand dollars an hour per hour to run. And so if they're doing flight training exercises and they have to be canceled because these types of objects come into their air space, you know, you multiply that by twenty planes a couple hours of operation, you're talking millions of dollars getting thrown down the drink. Yeah. I would imagine with civilian airplanes too. I mean, any close down airports, people can't go where they're going. That's very expensive. So yeah, something's gonna have to give. I don't know if this just will fade away like other waves of these types of objects. We don't know, but I mean I would imagine Brandon like you're saying, eventually something gives him. That's my feeling about it. So we're all in the catbird seat here. We will be watching what happens. You know, we've got a lot of advantages. Now. We've got shows like this one. We've got social media news shows about this. Even new news programs like news Nation which you've probably seen Ross Coolheart and others Reality Check that syndicate I forget where they're from, it from the Chicago area. I mean, they cover this very well in addition to other new subjects. So we have new news outlets, and I think in the long run, we could have people come forward to tell us what they know, what they've seen, even if they don't know the answer to this. What the motivations are of our elected officials. And we've got a new presidential administration coming in with a lot of independently minded people, it seems, you know, in cabinet positions and so forth. So with all the technology we have around us, and this is something to help put off. Has said for a long time. Someone who was in asset one of the Pentagon UFO programs for a couple of years I think it was twenty ten, eight through ten, and then a tip afterwards for a couple of years. He said, there's too many sensor systems around now to ignore these objects. And he's someone who worked in these programs. Yeah, it's just not ignorable anymore. You can't keep putting better and better sensor systems in airplanes and satellites other systems. You're simply going to see more of what's there, and this is what's there, and eventually you can't. You can't just make up bogus explanations anywhere. There's too much evidence and it becomes increasingly expensive to hide all of that evidence. And uh so that's what we're seeing right now. So eventually it does change. I know we can all get kind of cynical about this because we've been around for decades where we've been exposed to this misinformation. But I think it's changing. I think it's changing, I would hope. So it's getting to the point where it's it's becomeing tiring to trying to cipher what's real and not real, what's exactly the constant well, I'm seeing things because here's I've talked about this before and I don't want to always bring it up, but like literally last year, we saw something in our backyard, like out in the fields behind our yard as an orange glowing ball. Yeah, for whatever reason, it looked like a flare. And it isn't out of the realm of possibility that it could have been a flare, because ironically enough, a few miles down the road there was a factory that makes emergency stuff and some of those things are actually flair. So I just assumed at the time maybe someone was testing a flare. I've lived here almost my whole life, like in this general area, I've never seen them test flares. But it doesn't mean it's not a possibility. I yelled from my wife and son. They come out and looked at it. And I've made critical comments to people about how can people say they've been watching this thing? And ever once the well have a phone in our pocket was as a camera on it. Why didn't no one record it? Why didn't I never once thought about recording it and I watched it for like five minutes. It was stationary. It ended up moving a little bit, it went up, and then it just faded out. And then after the fact, I was like, I probably should have recorded that. Well, just a few weeks ago, same thing was going on. I could see it out behind the barn. I yelled from my wife. We watched it moving, but then I noticed it kind of turned and then it did like a couple of blinks and then disappeared. So if that was an airplane, where are they going like they just if it has a light on, like the they're orange. I don't know if any airplanes. Usually you see the red and the green. This is just solid, so I don't which is funny. That's what people were reporting back in October that they'd seen were orange or they were like the pattern. That sounds to me like ball lightning. Yeah, And that does exist, and one out of twenty people an Air Force study in nineteen ninety three, you can look it up Jay Reese Roth funded by the Air Force. He said in there that one in twenty Americans have seen ball lightning and not probably not knowing what they've seen. So it's a possibility I have no idea what it was other than the fact that it looks just stationary. For like the thing on the back was literally in the same spot for over five minutes that we were watching it. So I don't. Yeah, they can behaving very strange ways ball lighting. There's suggestions that it seems sentient. Sometimes it's quite strange. Even the ball lightning researcher is hard cut and dried. Scientists suggest that it has overlapped with UFOs, which no one quite understands. But that to me sounds very much like or ball lightning type of. Phenomenon, which we've talked about a little bit before, like with these other like even with these bigfoot things where they can move in and out. I've wondered maybe if these things that we're seeing, because people report seeing orbs when they see bigfoot sometimes right right, Like, I wonder if we're actually seeing like balls of energy from that other plane and like we're seeing these things moving. And I'm not saying as a UFO, I'm not saying it's a big foot because this thing was in the air, but like what if it's that, then we're just just kind of peeking into our reality, like into our frequency waveling. Yeah, it's a good possibility. Yeah. Well, we've been going on for about an hour and a half, so we'd probably wrap this one up. But before we do, you said you have a YouTube channel. Everything. Is there anything you'd want to let the audience snow where they can check you out out? Yeah? Sure. My YouTube channel is a fractal Friend. You can look me up fractal Friend. I have over five hundred videos about these topics, started in two thousand and nine, a lot a lot of videos there. My blog is new Crystal mind dot com Newcrystalmind dot com, and you can see everything I'm involved with remote viewing classes and books and so forth. And my Patreon page where I often post things that I'm doing, you know, on a rapid basis. That is DarkMatter Mysteries dot Com on Patreon. So those are some places where you can find awesome. Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you. I enjoy having converse, specially relatively like topics that are actually going on right now. Yeah, and the drone thing is a big interest of mine. So I keep saying drones. I don't want to call them drones, but literally that's just what's been programmed in my head. At this point they call them drones because I don't think they're all drones. But well, at least you're not droning on and on right, Yeah, Well talk to you another time. Okay, yep, not a problem. You have a good night, Tay. Carried out, Bye bye. Hi. I just want to say thank you for listen, Thank you for listen. This has been an exciting episode on Tenfold Talks. You will never know which direction. It will go. Aliens, encryptids and the paranormal to government cover ups. This is what they do. Call her on the line with something to say. You never know. Where the conversation's going, and what will brand say. Sill Fold Tales Presents Tim Fault Talks every Sunday night. We're kicking the week off. From aliens to cryptids, this paranormal field. It makes you start to question, could it all be real? Siller faul Telles Presents Till Fault Talks. 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