Ep. 106: The SEPI Agency

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. Tonight we're gonna be joined by my guest, David. David is the founder of the SEPI Agency. For those not familiar with the SEPPY Agency is SEPI stands for the Supernatural, Extraterrestrial and Paranormal Investigations Agency. 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So I look forward to talking with him, and I hope you guys enjoy our conversation. To sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Like to take the time and welcome my guest today, David. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me so well. Come and thank you for having me. Yeah, been a pleasure. You want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself, Yeah, sure, some names David john On the seeing executive officer for the SEPI Agency here in the UK. The agency are a a new i'd say, like a new vibe in power investigations. As I quite coin it mean that we do things very differently. So when we get reports of anything supernatural or extraterrestrial or paranormal, we always take keep all on or even even the cryptoids as well that fall under my supernatural category, and we investigate all of it. So unlike move On, for example, who will concentrate their efforts on the UFO phenomena, we will. We expand that the agency itself are in the process of writing a online database that the SEPI officers will primarily use, but that data will collect all accounts from people and evidence witness accounts and interviews, and eventually that will be anomenized in some cases and put out for the public's consumption as well, so for free, you know, everyone can have access to it. So the idea is that we start all working together, Brandon, that's the idea, rather than in having a group here, group there, group there. Group. They're all all well meaning and trying to do the best thing and trying to investigate things. But the issue I have with these groups and their methods is that it's quite amateurish efforts. To be honest, I know some are better than others, but a huge majority quite amateurism approach. They don't document anything properly. They then work very siloed so they don't share that information with anybody else. This separated of just trying to say, look, guys, there's a lot of evidence out there to explain a lot of weird things, and we need a central point for all of us to sort of gather and share that data, and that good evidence and best evidence of it was recording police In terms myself, I come from a military and policing background, so I worked for the National Crime Agency for four and a half years very recently. They are if you're not familiar with the NCAA, they are pretty much akin to the United States FBI, So they deal with serious and organized crime nationally and internationally in clover and overt locations. Yeah, and basically in say, chase very bad people all over the world, so make sure they get a conviction and put these bad people away. So I work for those four and a half years. I'm also a serving police officer here in the UK and I've been doing that now for ten years now. I've just received my long service medal, so it's nice of them. So I've obtained years. So I'm a frontline police officer. I deal with response, you know, response calls that we get and community policing as well, which has given me a real good background and how to do things and I'm also a government contractor, so I work for the government in UK, so I've got very use of how the government work and how they want things documented and the processes that they write. Some of it good, some of it bad, of course, and I've I'm taking police and principles and cookie cutting that onto the SEPY agency. So if we get an incident report to us, you'll get an incident reference number, pretty much like it would if you'ring the police. We then have an officer in the case, So we have SEPPI officers and we have SEPI researchers. I'll explain too a little bit later, but a SEPI officer will contacts you and then we'll arrange what we call getting a witness account from you, and that can be done remotely or in person, depends on the location, of course. And when we documented, we document that, and we recall that and then find that we do an assessment and then we will, if needs be, we may do a full interview with that person, very much in the same similar style to how you'd see maybe people being interviewed by the police on the Police and programs. However, no one's in trouble, no one's under any pressure. You know, it's not a law thing. We're not operating. You know, we haven't got any powers or anything of such. So everything's on consent basis from the subjects that report the incident of us or the event. So it's done like that, and then we make a we'll make a final assessment, and that is when we all start looking at alternatives to solve the problem. So it could be that we do a field investigation. For example, if it's a haunting, we go to that home and we may set up cameras and recording equipment that we measure the rooms with a laser device, we measure a m F. We measure sound levels, you know, the ultrasounds and the sounds that we can't hear as human beings. We've got devices that do all that. So really it we've been quite thorough and quite and that approach. However, we're not closing the idea of using psychic mediums or healers or shamanic work. We're really lucky that I've got a whole resource of those people that I can tap into. There's a there's a local group which has been going for thirty years now being very supportive to step the agency. So I can literally go to that group and say, right, I need you know, I need a psychic medium for this, or I need a healer for that. You know, we can tap into those resources. But we we document everything. Everything is documented from the moment you contacts us. We close the case, so you know, the evidence, if there's good evidence, we capture it and we will store that evidence in a secure place. If it's physical or digital, we will do that. So but the idea is really and this is what kind of makes us quite different other than our policing background, is we we're about safeguarding as well. So as you can imagine, in this world of the paranormal, as we find ourselves, there's going to attract types of people. There's going to attract those that are generally interested and have general inexperiences, and we really want to hear from those people. However, it also attracts the other types, the people that generally want to boost their profiles, that generally want their egos strokes. We're generally just having a mental breakdown. Is you know, mental health is a big issue these days, and I will touch on that a little bit later when I'll come to edes so yes, we you know, we don't just say well, actually we think you're a lunatic. Go away. We may say, okay, you know, we've done the assessment and we're not sure we can really investigate this, which is apply way saying I think you need some further help, and we will guide that person to a local charity or you know, suggest booking a point of a doctor or whatever it may be. So we do try and look after the person, even if we feel it's sort of case we can take on. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's a bit different there. We are quite passionate about safeguarden. I think like what you're doing with that aspect because just from doing this podcast, and I'm not trying to insult anyone that I've interviewed or anything like that, but I do feel that some people have I don't know they're intentionally doing it, but I don't necessarily believe one hundred percent of everything that someone tells me, So I'm kind of I'm very skeptical in general, like that's just my nature about things, and I always try to take what people tell me at face value. But at the same time, I'm something just seems so out there that it's kind of hard to believe that I'm not here to prove or disprove anyone. So I do think there's put of mental aspects to it. And it's a fine line because, of course, as you just slightly said, you don't want to be insulting people or ridiculing people. And we've already had a number of cases that we are just not going to look at because there were too many red flags very early on for us, and we do look out for these things, too many red flags, or maybe they weren't being croperative enough with us, they weren't supplying the evidence that we kept asking for. I have a free strike ruwt in day Brandon. If they don't, you know, to provide what they've said they've got three times, I just don't. I don't go any further. None of us are getting paid for this, you know, We're all doing it in our spare time. Everyone's got jobs to pay and bills to pay. So I cannot afford to have my offices and myself, you know, at the hands of an egotistic narcissist. We get, we get, and they've come and we've we've batted them away and but we're never rude about it. I would never. For example, I mean, it was one guy on Facebook that was sharing an image that I unfortunately very quickly realized it was fake through photoshop nanalysis. So but he he got very upset by the evidence that was support was given back, and that analysis was done by myself because I'm quite I'm quite techy, I'm a bit of a geek. Unfortunately, I've done it myself. I also gave it to an image and expert that's kind of like affiliated to our team, so he's spent. I mean, he gave me such brilliant feedback. It's pointed out loads of things that I'd missed, which is fantastic. But ultimately he wasn't real So you know, I did say to the guy very nicely that we feel that, you know, it's not credible. Unfortunately, so he decided to completely go on Facebook and call us all sorts of names, and that's what a lot of people do. Yeah, but in doing that, what he was doing is joining the negative attend to himself. And I just pointed out, said, you're not harming us, you're harming yourself. So he then went and deleted all these comments very quickly with an hour. But people get upset. And I do get it. You know, if you generally believe you've got something credible and then somebody says, well, analysis it's been altered and your your adamants not being altered, and of course you're going to get upset. I do. I do get that. But we have to do our due diligence. We have to be skeptical. We have to rule out the normal first. You know, if you don't do that, you're not doing your job properly. In the beginning, we take baseline measurements for example, so if we do go to a haunting, we may go through may say to a time. Will is there a time where it doesn't happen? Oh yeah, you know, if you come in the afternoons, we'll go in the afternoon. We'll do our base measurements. You know, what's the temperature like that in the rooms that are affected? You know, is there any EMF in there? And I don't mean ghost of EMF. I'm talking about standard normal EMF that is around us all the time. So our tools don't capture ghosts. We don't have any tools that capture ghost We've got none of those funny boxes and you know that you put your foot on it captures the ghost like Ghostbusters. We don't know the PK meets flashing away like raising our arms. They're just standard ordinary devices that detect certain frequencies. That's all they are. So we do a base line and then we'll go back to when activity is supposed to be occurring more and then we measure again. You know, we see if anything's changed, anything's different, and you know, nine times out of ten we're going to find quite natural reasons why things feel a different way. So yeah, you know, we're quite funro what we do. And as I said, we document everything, so everything gets filed, everything that's recorded. So even to the point where we take a weakness account of someone, we do say, you know this is going to be recorded, are you okay with that? And if they're not okay with that, we don't do it. At the end of the day, it's we have to protect ourselves as well. But the last thing I want to do is send an officer to someone's home and then because they didn't like the result that we said and then then start accusing my officers of in appropriateness or anything like that, so everything gets recorded for our benefit and their benefit and just last the aid on the officers. They're all security cleared as well here in the UK, so everyone that joins SEPY Agency as an officer has to go through what we call a DBS standard check, which doesn't basically like you know, criminal background checks on someone, just so you know that you know, if they're working for the SEPI Agency, they're you know, then they're not quite a big long criminal record of all sorts of things, right, And obviously I hold government security clearances to another members in the military at the moment, and others have retired police officer forty years, another one's of twenty eight years as a nurse, so we've got, you know, there's quite a big spectrum of us and another I'm not runs a school, and you know we're all different backgrounds. So I train the officers and how to take a witness account properly, because there is a method, as every police officer will tell you, they all get training on that, and also train them how to do interviews, So how to plan for an interview. I don't mean an interview like this, it's a very different thing. I mean an actual plan interview with a subject that's talking about an account, but that doesn't fit everything. Now, of course, you know, if things just happen randomly, you can't keep doing statements all the time and interviews all the time. You never get anywhere. But we will take an account, but then we may do just go straight into field investigation just seven capture anything. Really, And we do have a public house near us actually that want us there. Things are happening quite often, so that'd be interesting. So I beg to see that one soon. Thank you. On now, before we dive into more about it, I did at a question like what led you to want to start this? Obviously, when someone goes down this paranormal, weird pathway or whatever, it's always been usually like some sort of happening that's caused you to go down this path. Yeah, I say it frequently, but I don't think anybody comes into this without something happening to him. Nobody, because why would you. And I get the people that's skeptics that they have no interest in it because maybe nothing's ever happened to him, or it has happened to him, but they're too scared to face it is in some cases and that's understandable too, you know, no one can be blamed for that. But my first uh oddity or experience was when I was just three months old. I try and cut the story down, but essentially my own. My mother goes out out the house leave me with my grandmother, who wasn't very keen on looking after a three month old at that point. So she decides to leave me on a piece of furniture which we called an ottoman, so it has no size to it and it's raised off the floor about maybe I know, a foot and a half. She just places me on this ottoman, which is like a square shaped squirrel around. I can't quite remember, but I'm three months old. No one should be having memories at three months old. So she left me there in the room, and immediately I find myself looking down on my three year old self from above, so, you know, like an autobotic experience. I'm now floating above my three month old baby self, and in a coercive style, I speak to myself and I say to myself, don't worry, you be okay, just keep still and you won't fall off, because that was my concern. I was three month old. I'm going to roll over, I'm going to fall off, and I I essentially watched myself and talk to myself in an adult way. There wasn't wasn't. I wasn't cooing or making funny baby gurgling noises. It's fully I'm fully conscious and that memory has never left me. And I can describe the room of my grandmother's room to this day. And I spoke to my mum and dad about this and they both said, yeah, that's exactly how your NaN's room was laid out. How how can a three month old baby have that? That's that's the first one. That's just not normal. But that wouldn't have been enough to bring me into this. So the second thing that happened to me when I think I was around about six years old, because before my my younger brother was born, and I'm seven years older, so it must have been about I must be sixty years old or so. We lived in a very small masonet, which is just two rooms downstairs, two rooms upstairs, pretty much kitchen in the hallway in a bathroom. It's very small, and it maystep means that there's another building on top of me, like there's another masone. So we're we're in a in a cancel cancer state in the UK, so it's not very affluent, you know, it's quite you know, I wouldn't say poverty, but you know, it wasn't rich air or anything like that. So we lived in there, and every night my dad looked put me to bed, it shut my door. But being a typical six year old, as I was scared of the dark, so he'd always leave the hallway light on for me, so I could see the beam of light beneath my door, and I would see my dad standing at the door for a little while so I couldee shadow of his feet, and then when he went, i'd know when he's gone, and then I set someone in sleep. So generally stayed there for about a minute if that. Each night. This particular night, he shut the door, SAI good night, as usual, and he stood there and he stood there, and he stood there, and he seemed to be there a very very long time, to the point I was getting a bit concerned, a bit worried, a bit anxious, I suppose, if we really know anxiety is at that age. But I was a bit now getting curious. Wise, Dad's still standing there, don't get it? And then I got brave and I got out of my bed and to to the door. I opened the door full expecting my father to be looking down at me and telling me off getting out of bed, but he wasn't there. Those shadows of her feet were there until I opened the door, But that wasn't the odd thing. The weird thing I've realized was that the air around me was like crackling, like a static because the hairs on my arms were standing up. I could feel a tingling on my skin. Something weird was going on. Now. I also realized at this point is very late at night, because the TV wasn't on downstairs. My mum and Dad's door was shut in the bedroom, so there must have been a bit in bed. So I have no idea what time it was, but you know, I realized it must have been very late. And then I'm now facing the stairs looking down to the darkness. So upstairs the lights on, so that's fine, but I'm looking down the stairs into darkness, and I had this overwhelming feeling to walk out in a horizontal, tall line above the stairs. So physics will tell you if you do that, you're going to fall, because you're not putting your foot down on the stairs, you're walking out. It's a bit like that Indiana Jones film, you remember the take a Leap of Faith bit when he's Holy Gray when he walks out into the yeah, to that huge valley. That's as like what he's like. I walked out into nothingness. And also I did fight with myself because saying, well, if I do that, I'm going to hurt myself. I'm going to fall. But something kept telling me you'll be fine. Just do it, just do it. And then it's tingling his funny smell in the air as well. And I did it and I didn't fall. I took the next step, I still didn't fall. Took the next step, I still didn't fall. I look down and I now realize I'm now literally lavitating above the stairs. I don't think that's normal, is it. Now I'm now realizing that I'm being pulled towards the wall. Now I'm no longer walking and now being pulled, and the tingling isn't getting intense, and this funny, weird smell, and now I'll get I'm now realizing I'm going to go through the wall at this rate. You know where am I going to go. There's nowhere to go because I'm not going I'm not following the angle the stairs. I'm going in a straight line. So now I get to the wall and I braced myself for impact, and I don't impact. I go through and I see wooden slats behind the plaster board. I smell another weird smell, and I blank out. That's all I remember. And I wish I could tell you I knew what it was. I wish I could tell you about with you know, funny aliens and flying spaceships. But I can't because I really don't know what happened to me. And I don't even think I remember it the next day either. I think it was many years later that memory came to me. And you know, it's not a dream. People that have experienced anything like this will know what is a dream? What is not a dream? On heart, that was not a dream. And the reason is years later, I'm working on the building, so I smashing an old house down with a sledgehammer, I mean a room, putting a put it through the wall, and I immediately saw it when I put message on through this plaster baled wall that there was wooden stacks behind it, just like I saw that very evening, So I don't I don't think they do that in UK anymore. It's an old building style, I'd say, yeah, I think older buildings did the slats. Yeah yeah. And obviously when I lived that Mason, that was an older building. So that triggered the memory seeing the slacks. And then the second thing triggered in the memory made stronger was the smell. The smell that I was going through the wall was the smell of brick dust and obwebs, and you know that's a horrible musk musky smell. Muss yeah, yeah. You know if you go into your if you know, look like an old basement, yeah, basement or loft or you know, it's just a horrible the smell. And that triggered my memory immediately. It was like I was there, back there again. And and then only in the last sort of three or four years, I've realized what the first smell was, the one when I was labtating, and that smell turns out to be ionized there, which I didn't realize until my wife brought me one of those plasma balls for my birthdays. This is a funny gift. I was playing with it, watching the electric electrodes go into my fingers, figuring more, I'm fifty odd years old and I'm playing with this, what's going on? I was having a lot of fun with it, but I realized that there was a If you play with one of those things a little while, you know, it's a kind of a disinfectant smell in the air, and it's ironized there. It's what you can smell, and it comes from plasma balls because it's iron eyes in the air around it that were Immediately I realized that when I was six years old, that's smell in the hallway was iron eyzed there. It's the same smell. So was it a spiritual aduction? No? Was I abducted by aliens? I don't know. Was abducted by a government program? I don't know. I really have no clue what it was. But from that day onwards, I was that geeky kid in the library looking at the UFO books and the ghost books and filling my scrap book up with UFO sightings, and I was just completely drawn into it. And there's a wonderful program in the UK called rur C. Clark's mysterious world that used to end nineteen seventies when I was a child and me and my dad used to watch that every I think it was every Sunday if I remember rightly, but we watched it religiously and I was fascinated by the whole thing. So yeah, that that's why I'm sitting here now, Brandon. Everyone has their own story of why they're doing what they're doing. It's the things that happened to put us on the pathway of what we're doing. Now. Yeah, we all get a calling, and in some people it's very strong, and that's the reason why they're into this what you know, signs will call a fringe subject. Now, yeah, we've all had a calling. We've all seen something we can't explain. And I've had other experiences ever since too, as early as last year, even what made me start a seprigency because I've got kind of a kind of attacked by an entity in a bedroom and the place I stayed in an Airbnb, which is another big story which I won't go into this point that maybe it's for another time, but that that attack for me scared the hell out of me because it's the first time I've I've seen a door open on its own, you know, I've seen a physical object open on its own, and something's kind of pushed me and keep me trying to keep the pin to the floor. You know, I'm I'm a police officer. I've been doing ten years. I'm used to fighting people. But what we call roll arounds, unfortunately, it happens a part of the job, part of the role. Some people get very excited because they've had cocaine up their nose and they think they can fight you. So, you know, I've been pushed around and attacked a few times in my career, but this thing was the most scariest thing because I couldn't see it. I can't see it, I can't be handcuffs on it, can't can't hurt it. It didn't hurt me, but it kept me pinned down for a little while. And after that experience was like, I think I need to start with SAPI agency. It's been in my it's been in my mind for many, many years to start an agency that will investigate and do power investigations correctly and document everything correctly in more than a professional manner. Because I've been a bit disillusioned by sort of previous groups that I've been to in the previous years. But it's all very egocentric. My story's got to be better than your story and all no, and then I don't share that. I just don't like any of that stuff. It's not for me. I don't have time for it. So that's why I parked the CpG for many years. But after that experience, it happened to me last year. It's last April. I thought, yeah, I think it needs to start now. So it still took me a few months. I didn't really start it to August of last year. But now we have what we have four officers now and a SEPU researcher as well who's joined, and I've got another one about to join, and we hope to spread our wings a lot wider than just the UK. So the agency are not just a power investigations group. We were trying to give answers to things that people can't put, you know, put the finger on. We're trying to come up with new hypotheses and new theories about what things really are. For example, I don't believe in ghosts. That may sayd a bit odd on a show like this, but I don't explain why in a moment when I come to what I call traumatic time impressions. But the ghosts also can be described as what I coin as EDES. It's not my it's not my original title forum, and maybe it's not the permanent title forum, but ED stands for extra dimensional entity. Is my full belief that there are there have been entities that inhabit this planet way before that we did, and way before we were brought here. Maybe we're the invaders to these entities. They're not very happy with us. Nonetheless, they exist, and they don't exist on our same frequency, hence why we don't seen walking around. But they've they've existed a very very long time. They've evolved, they can switch between the frequencies, which means I can come into this realm where we can't seem to very easily get into their realm, and they feed on negative energies and of objects and people and people is probably a new thing for them. You know, if you look at our human history, and we're not really that we've not really been on a planet that long. Really, if you compare you know, five billion odd years, women to be around the beformed, but you know, we're not really, we're just a little scratched on the on the mark of history of the planet Earth. Really, so imagine the delight of these entities that feed the negative energies that suddenly have these human beings walking around having a bad time, having bad experiences, having traw was fighting each other, waring, disagreeing, just generally not being very nice to each other. And maybe we started out as a lovely race of people. Maybe we did. Maybe we were wonderful. Maybe we were gods, as people have said in ancient texts like summary and texts. Maybe we were creations of gods, and maybe we lived in a wonderful way and we use all of our brain capacity and we could manifest anything we wanted, and maybe we had a wonderful golden time. Something along the way, they changed our memories got whites, the planet got whites. That we just started warring against each other. We started finding differences in each other and our skin colors and our sexualities. And you look bigger than me and smaller than me, or darker he or ginger heel. It's just ridiculous, really, what humans seem to find division on. Oh yeah, what football team do you support? You know, it's just it is really if you look at it, it's a little bit pathetic. Yea, bad boys. We're all heard too. Yeah, we're all human. We're all equal. So from the guy cleaning the toilets of a multinational company to the guy running that multinational company, they are still holding both of them and energy within their bodies, a spirit, a soul, whatever you want to whatever you want to call it. So we are all equal. Because when those two people die, they're they're going to go through the same similar experience. So we are literally all equal. So the whole woke, woke agender that's been going on since what twenty twenty maybe before that, even it's just ridiculous. Just ignore it. That's my world of advice to anyone a lot younger than me. Just ignore it. Stop it because it's just more division. So and I'm not off topic with the eeds because they are behind a lot of this stuff. So imagine, if you will, then these entities that can fade in and out of our own reality that feed from us can control you too. And many people famous and you know, normal suffer from an EDA attachment. Some may may some may call them demons in the old days, and that's that's the religious term which I like to avoid because I think as soon as you use the word demon you are given power to the Edes immediately because there's a fear factor with the word demon. Demons also kind of sexier, isn't it. You know, I'm never going to get a good film called Ede Encounter or you've got the word demon in it. Yeah, demonic attacks. Yeah, you know, it's just a marketing thing. It's just people made it going to go all demon that's that sounds fascinating. But we've got to stop calling them demons because we've got to stop the crediting them that title and giving them your fear, because that's what they're living on, literally feeding off of you. So these things come to people in times of great needs or in times of trauma. So you could be having a normal, happy life and something terrible happens to you, or you waitness something terrible, or you lose a loved one which just traumatizes you, which happens obviously to everybody eventually, and maybe at that point you're very low, you find yourself in a bit of a dark hole, and you maybe find yourself reaching out for something at that point, you can make yourself susceptible to an ED and they may come to you in the form of whatever hope you're looking for. They may come to you as an alien. They may come to you as Jesus Christ. They may come to you as your deceased loved one. It may come to you as Elvis Presley if you really love it. Always presently enough, you know, or Bruce Lee, I'm wearing a brusally teacher the day, but I ever, whatever is your thing. The Edes are very clever, the masters of deception. They lie to you, the masters of mimic, so they can mimic voices. They live in your sub they can into your subconscious. They can know things about you too, which you think, oh, only you know my dad, aren't could know about that? No, it's not. If it's in your memory. EDAs have got an access to it to bear that in mind. So and then they can manifest as voices in the head. For those people that feel their going mad, they're not going mad. There are there are voices in the head, and they're not always their own voices. And it's a shame that the science does not recognize that. Because these people need help and it's not with drugs, you know, illegal or legal drugs. It's not the way to deal with it. So the EDE will make sure that your life sucks. And that point on things that just go wrong for you. You may start overeating, you may start taking drugs, you may start over drinking, you may start find yourself in destructive relationships. Just things go wrong for you all the time, and you think yourself, why me, Why is it always happening. You're just not in a good place, and it's the edio's intention to keep you in that space. So the more you're depressed and isolated, the more they feed on you. And the greater feed it is for them too. They love it, so it's quite a bad thing. And they don't just come to people in time to trall and they can actually I've heard and I haven't substantiated this at all, so this is completely you know, maybe just a theory, but I've heard that they can go from one lineage to another, so they can literally, you can be born and you have this thing with you. It's come from the mother with the father, and it'll follow. I've heard that. I'm not sure how true that is quite yet, because I need to I need to meet some more subjects to be able to determine that, but they can follow you through and celebrities are very succeptible to these things. Let's let's let me give you an example. So you're struggling accent, and you've you've spent all your money to get yourself to Hollywood because you think that's the best way to get seen, and you think you've got a talent. And but there's a million others in that in that town doing the same thing as you, all trying to get above you, be better than you or your musician. You know, is you know, trying to get the band signed, trying to get you know, you work hard on marketing and just not getting anywhere. You find yourself in. Sorry, and like what I'm doing here as a podcast, it's all the same thing, is yeah, and it's a more dropping a massive part as you can appreciate. But at some point these celebrities may have found themselves unwittingly inviting the edes into their life, and they can find themselves in a drunk in a corner drunk while I'm not going I just want to be famous. I do anything it takes. I just want it. I just want it. I want it, to want it. And at that point, what that person's doing is given over the free will, which is the one thing any ede cannot take from you, but it's the one thing they will happily handle if you give it to them. And I firmly believe there's lots of celebrities out there to this day who we know from screen, you know from the movies, from your favorite bands and actors on TV. There's probably a lot of them that have done that exact thing, and there's suddenly things change for them, become easier. They get those auditions, they get their phone calls, or the band gets signed for a good deal, and then they it just explodes for them. And I bet it's loads of seleberties will tell you, oh, it just all happened. Now. I'll try for five or six seven years, they get famous, then suddenly it just happens. It's because those five or six years before that, they weren't given themselves over, but after they did, it all started happening for him, and then they find themselves in this whirlwind of amazement. I mean imagine suddenly being a you know, a multi millionaire and you're successful, and everybody loves you and everyone wants your signature, he wants to be with you. It must be such a mind blowing experience to happen, and you must get swept away in that, in that, in that wonderful you know, that adrenaline rush that must must be there all the time for them, And then you know they get a claim and something's not right. So it's still not right with them. They're still not happy, they're still depressed. There's still taking too many drugs, there's still taking too much drink. They're still having destructive relationships from one marriage to the next, and the next and the next. This story is pretty much every celebrity I think I can think of in my head. There are some celebrities are very happy and live a wonderful, productive life. And maybe they did their they didn't they didn't invite something, and they did get that lucky thing. They do have that amazing talent, and they got the world deserved place in the world, And well done to them because they probably worked a lot harder and until with that that much so. And I like to use Robin Williams as a bit of an example. The wonderful actor. As you will know. I mean, he lit up every film he was in, that man, every TV program, Just you know, to him in person must have been an amazing experiences to see him and hear his voice and see how he you know, how he presents himself over which, as you well know from he's you know, his demise, it just wasn't what's going on really for him. He was not a happy man, which is so sad to learn from someone that fills a room with light and laughter to find out that actually had an internal struggle to the point where you know, he felt that the only way was to end his own life, which is just just the worst case scenario. It's awful for his family and I do feel so much pain for them and everybody that's got a similar story where they've lost someone to suicide. And it's not just unique sous, it's to famous people. It happens all the time. So it's just a it's just an example that you can have everything but have nothing, because if you've got the feeding from you, you're never going to have your happiness, You're never going to feel that real freedom. So they're parasites. Edes are weak parasites in this realm. They're strong in their own and weak here. Everything that they do to people here they have to do for somebody else. They have to make you do it, have to make you harm yourself, make you harm someone else. You go out and do things. But they will make if if, but they will make things happen for you as well. So some musicians, and I've heard this, and I won't name them, I've joked and said that they remember the day they've sold their souls to the devil. You heard that phrase before, Yeah, And celebrities have said that, and sometimes they do it tongue in cheek as a joke. Sometimes they actually mean it. Well, I'd rather I don't like the term sell yourself to the devil, but I think more the giving up your own free will is the same thing, so that at some point they gave up their own free will. So it sounds all terrible, doesn't it. In glooms however, it's not. Okay, it's not and it can be undone. So, celebrity or not a celebrity. If you've got if, your life isn't just utter chaos all the time, and you do hear voices, you don't always have to hear voices. By the way, it's just sometimes that saling manifest. But if it's just you just think of why is my life so rubbish? You know? You know I've got this, and I've got that, and I've got that. Why am I not happy? You know? You could have a needy attachment and there is a way of getting rid of them, and it's not exorcism is the good news. We don't need to go to the Catholic Church to get permission because none of that's going to help. And I don't want to rubbish to work or the Catholic Church in the area. But I strongly believe, unfortunately that they're just going around it the wrong way, because if they were, if they knew everything about these things and nextism works, then the world would be a better place because these things wouldn't be so readily there all the time. But they are there all the time. It's because the Catholic Church have looked at it on a religious view only, and they've said, we believe that's a demon, we believe that's an enemy of Christ, our savior, and we know that if we speak in Latin, it's going to get rid of it. It's not going to get rid of it. Okay, that's not how you do it. Doing the nextism to an ede. It's just going to wind the thing up. It's going to make it angry. It's going to make the poor subject, the victim worse. And in some cases they will they will pretend to go away, but they know I'll come back at a later date and that would be worse. Trust me. And an example give there is the when you look at the Netflix documentary called The Devil on Trial. I don't know if you're aware of that. It's about David Glacksill family, even the old boy got possessed back in the eighties and they made a film about it. I actually about a month ago, Oh did you? How did you? How did you find it? It was on Netflix. That's how I just watched the documentary. And the Warrens or whatever, I know, depending on who you are. I've always kind of thought they were just grifters trying to find stories to turn into money. But that's just my opinion on them. Yeah, and that's a valued opinion totally. I watched that documentary and obviously I realized that I know a bit about the Warrens too. I know about the Catholic upbringings. I know that they've allegedly I'm going to say legedly because I don't know. I wasn't there made money out of these stories because obviously they're behind the counduring films. Well it's for those now, I think four or five. They've obviously written lots of books, and the families that were involved with the stories went around didn't make as much money, and some would say that the Warrens helped them, and some would say they exploited them. And I can't I can't pass judgment on that because I've never met him, and obviously I can't now and I wouldn't like to say, but but we're talking about the eighties, seventies and eighties here where things were just very different, and poor old David glaswell, you know, he had this possession and they treated it probably the way they fought into correct way by exorcism. And there was a guy obviously president at the Xorism called Ann who is a family friend. I think it's David's sister's boyfriend or something. Yea, he was obviously yeah, something like that. So he was only nineteen at a time when he was witnessing his exism his poor eleven year old and he was freaked out and he shouted, take me on, take me on, I'm here, which I think the priest or Ed actually said read she should never do that, should never take a demon as they call it. Well, anyway, it all calmed down allegedly after that, and David seemed fine. You know, normality seems to come back to the family. And six months later, long story short, on establed his friend to death because out of the blue, he said, he felt like something took over his body. And as you know, we've seen the documentary that's led onto the murder of his friends and the trial, which is what it's called Devil and Trial because it was I think as the first case they tried to say use the devil as a defense. Wasn't it something like that? And you know it's brutal. So if the EDE did go okay, I'll accept that and did jump it on the Eds. They have no concept at the same time as we because we invented our linear time structure, not ed, so I didn't care what six months is. It could be the next day to them or the next minute to them, you know, just just abandon all concept. For time when it comes to edes. So they can sit back for six months, six years, sixty years and do nothing, but they will come back, and this one did, unfortunately, and someone's died as a result, and someone else got put in prison as a result. Of course, the ID loved that because you know, I'm sure I didn't have a lovely time in prison. So the ED probably fed on him for another five years. And I'm hoping to this day that he's better and he's you know, I do hope that for him. But there's just an example where I feel that the ed is has jumped from one person to another because it got invited to do so, which he should never do, and it by it bid its time. So going back to the actual exorcism at that night, Ed and RYE Warren probably fell. What they did works that it didn't because it came back and end up killing someone. And how many cases are they a people of murderers saying the voice is hold him to do it. It's just incredible. There's a guy that was about ten miles not even ten miles from where I lived, back and I think it was the seventies, he heard voices and he went and killed his family. Then he went down the road and tried to I think he killed more of his family. It's almost the same type of story as what the Amityville story was, but this actually happened here, just a few miles from where I live. Obviously I wasn't born back then when that happened. But he heard voices, yeah, And it's easy for the medical profession to say, well, he's gone in saying he's hearing voices, and rule it out. But that, to me is where science is letting us down. This is why I started separoc. I'm no longer going to accept the voices in the head as a medical condition. I'm not going to accept that any further. All hallucinations, people see things, people hear things, and sometimes they're not their own faults. And people have asked me, well, how do you know the difference. It's very difficult because we all know what we sound like in our own consciousness, don't we We will have our well know what our voice sounds like in our own heads. But when you're reading the book, you're reading it in your head probably, or maybe you talk to yourself. People talk to themselves, that's quite normal, So don't get freaked out by that. But you you will get an idea of what you sound like in your heads, and you will also get an idea of the kind of things and the kind of words that you use. Or the loved one if let's say this the edes masculine masculine as your dead mother, for example, or something like that, and it always sounds like your mother, but your mother may say odd things that she never said when she was alive. You've got to you've got to take notes of those tiny little clues and go with that's odd. Don't don't just think that's odd, think that that's probably not your mum. It's something pretending to be your mom to get you to do what you're doing, or to continue the chaotic lifestyle that you're living. Because, as I said, if you're kept in that mind frame of mind, you are We're just a food source. Like in the in the Matrix when he says we're all batteries for things. We pretty much are with just energy for something else to live on, and we consume energy. Every every food that you put in your body is a form of energy. So we do the same thing in a different way, and they're no different. So the way to get rid of them. It's the first of all contact with separate agency and we will we'll guide you three. Do we charge, No, we don't charge, by the way, unless you're a mega celebrity. Okay, and then you know, if you want to fly us out, great you get charged, but no, we don't at this stage in our in our startup. But we'll guide you three. And it really is and it's no easy way of getting rid of it. The only way to get rid of an ade from your chaotic life is to completely change your chaotic life. You're going to have to stop that drinking. You're going to have to stop taking those drugs. You're going to have to change that job that's causing you in the aks, or that relationship that's causing the problems, or that you know, that family member, whatever it is keeping you in that state of mind. You we've got to change, and you can't do it on your own. You need help, you need guidance, you need somebody that's got faith in you, because you'll get to a part of phase in your life where you've completely isolated everybody. Everybody probably hates you because the way you've treated them, and it's not your fault. You didn't mean to say those things. You didn't mean to do those things. You did. Something was driving you to do that deliberately, So don't take it on board that's your fault that you attracted the DA because it's not your fault. They're always on the hunt. It's not your fault that you've done what you've done. It's not your fault. You're hearing the voices. Okay, it's really not your fault. So you've got to recognize that. You've got to recognize edias for what they are. They are just low vibrational parasitic entities and they can't actually hurt you. It will never come and stab you in the night. Okay, it's not going to happen. And the moment you realize that, that's where your life to start changing. But you do need to make complete lifestyle change. You have to change your vibration. You have to change your energy from being life and depressed to upbeat and happy. And as you can imagine, Brandon, that doesn't change overnight, does it. That's a hard road. I don't think with people accepting these things, like it's hard for people to want to change, and it's hard for people to change, because if you tell them, well, you have a negative energy beating off of you, they're going to think you're crazy. You know. It's a hard thing for people to swallow. Yeah, but that's that what you just said there, you're crazy. That's not them thinking that. That's the ad P sexting itself. So the moment you think this guy is talking to us are rubbish, you know, Oh yeah, actually does suck. But I'm not going to believe a word spokes saying it's not Again, it's preserving itself. It's going to tell you I'm talking rubbish. It's going to tell you don't believe a word. I'm the lunatic. I'm the one the d It's kind to tell you all sorts of things just so you keep away and don't hurt, don't help yourself. So yeah, I'm not going to get you know, I'm not going to get people flooding my doors with voices in the head, which I don't don't want them at my door quite faintly, but you know, I need to help them the correct manner. But I'm not gonna get them flood into me because the eds are not going to allow them to but you've got to remember that you have your own free will, and that's the other tool in this in this arsenal is recognizing edes for what they are, which you can do by reading the article on this Sepis website and recognizing the fact that you've got free will, and that your free will is the most powerful thing, second to love, really in the entire universe. Nobody can take it off of you, so you can ask for it back, you can reclaim it. So if let's go back to a celebrity example, Let's say you're a mega celebrity, big pop star on great Older Time on TV and loads of videos. You've got millions of pounds in the bank, you earn have a couple of mansions, you're living a life of Riley's we call it in the UK. And you know life is still not right. You're still you know, you're still not happy, You're still it's still got people hanging off of you like I'm not a fake, they're not your friends. You know you're not something's not right with you still. And then and then you come across me and you trust what I'm saying, and you go, actually, I don't want this anymore. But what happens, how what happens to me? Well, here's the thing. If you've made your millions in your career through the help of an AD and you want to get rid of that ed, it's not going to help you anymore. Okay, So you've got to be willing to sacrifice or to realize that your career may stop. You won't lose the money in the bank and your mansions and stuff, but you may not start getting those successful record deals or being on top of the game not you thought you were, or those phone calls for the next film. You may not get those. You may not get those, but you will get your life back because the moment you take your consent away from an ade and demand your free will back, it will change and you will become more positive. You become more productive in your life, You become more calm. You know that those bad habits you've picked up or go away, and it won't happen overnight, but you can you can turn it around, and then you know, in a year or two years later, you could be walking around your lovely mansion that you've you had a wonderful career making and thinking, actually, I'm really happy now you know I've got fulfilling relationships in my life. I've got time to do what I want to do now, because you know, they got lucky and find some a good position. And even if you're not famous and rich and have these problems, it doesn't mean you should not tackle it because you become more a positive person in life if you can get rid of it and change a life around, and you will be a lot happy and healthier. So it's it's not all bad news. We can we can turn our backs on them. We can't kill them, unfortunately. I don't think there's a way of a point of the laser going at them, you know, and disintegrating them, because you know, we've got an we've got a life. Face doesn't die. I'm sure they're pretty much the same, but they are still entities just like us, and they are just trying to survive just like us. So really we've got to find some sort of empathy and kind of I don't want to say a word love, but appreciation for what they are, because if we use them to our advantage, we could make life a lot sweeter for ourselves. If we could use their abilities, I think our wor would be different. You know, we wouldn't the world wouldn't be run by a psychopaths. For example. You've got to think yourself, what goes on the psychopath's mind, you know that a man a man that runs the country, or and just what goes on in their minds? Really, who's really who's really pulling their strings? Is it that keeps everything in negative? Yeah, it's it's the edes banded together with other Edes and the victims and their hosts. And then this is where you got cults, this is why you've got shadow governments, this is where you've got all these things going on in the world. They're just perpetuating that, that cycle and negativity. So we need to break it, and it's not easy, but it's worth it's worth the journey, I feel. So. Yeah, that's that's hypothesis. And ads like I say, they used to be called the des. I think we've just got to stop doing that. If we're give them a clinical name like ED, which doesn't sound scared whatsoever, you're already sort of disarming them that immediately. It's just taking away their power. So I mean, you know, we could give them a stupid names. You want to call them mushroom head, I don't know, I've heard it's almost the same concept. It's pretty much that they're the negative energy eating beans or whatever, but they call them the reptilians. They they're the alien term at them, and they claim that they're the ones that are causing all the problems. Are really reptoid. Yeah, they're beating on negative and it's the same concept that they're influencing and feeding on the negative energy, but they're on the alien term at it. So the interesting thing, it's not the first time I've heard that. So the interesting theory on that then is if they are the reptilians, have you ever seen in physical form? If they're only ever seen to come to you in your dreams and your abductions may not even be physically reptiles, it's probably what they are present themselves as. So we'd have to literally capture a reptile, a reptilian on video to be able to show that they are physical in form. I have no clue on that at the moment, and I wouldn't like to speculate either way right now, but yeah, I kind of go along with that. Yeah, I think the retilian race I just manifest said manifest of the edes. Like I said, they can manifest in any way they like. They can be farther Christmas if that's what you want. That floats a boat. They're just they just lie and deceive. That's what they're brilliant at and the reason they're so good at it because they've done it for so long. Now. We're a bit stupid, now, aren't we. In our evolution, we've gone backwards and we think human. Yeah, we think we're a pinnacle of everything, when when totally the opposite. We are the worst controlled species I think ever in human human form. And it's all because people just give their free wills over willingly all the time. And I think time's changing. Someone said to me yesterday, Oh, do you feel there's a spiritual awakening? I'd like to think so. I don't know, but i'd like to think so. I'd like to think something's changing. I mean, you know, what they did to us back in twenty twenty, which was global, was the first mistake they made. They've presented themselves in a physical way and showed their power globally, and they messed up because at that very point, a lot of people cutting onto them straight away for what they are and how they operate and still going on today, people still being out today, and that that war, and I do call that World War three. That was a war and all of us that hasn't gone away yet. It's dying down, it's not gone away, and I think that is a people will change. They made a huge mistake which I'm actually quite grateful for. We called the Beast era. Mm hmm. It was messed up anyway, that's the edes. Can I go into another hypothesis, but how much time do we have? And you're good whatever you want to talk about. Okay. So I said earlier in this show that I don't believe in ghosts because the two things really one. I believe eds are responsible for a lot of things. They can physically move objects apparently. Have I captured that video, No, But I have seen something of my own eyes only last year where a bedroom door is opening and it's only called in a in a room with no you know, there was only all the windows are shut and the moment I switched my smart watch on to light the room up because it's come from red light, but it stopped opening. So I know these things have an influence in the physical world. So I'm accepting of that. So so edes can be mistaken for ghosts. The other thing that gets mistaken for ghosts quite often, i'd say, is what I call and the SACY have coined traumatic time impressions again another clinical title, So I call it t TI traumatic time impression. Now imagine if you will, where this comes from. You're in a big battle, Civil War, Gettysburg, and you know, people are ripping each other to bit. It's cannon fire going off, muskets and horses galloping. And to be a soldier in those times, not that it's any better now, but but in those times combat was hand to hand pretty much it was. That is a traumatic experience to go through. To kill another person, you know, by looking him in the eye and running through the sword of chopping bits off of them is traumatic. Even if you're the one that survives it, it is traumatic and that will never leave you. So imagine that a thousand times over in the same battlefield, one after another after another after another. You're killing someone, or you're being slashed, or you see your friend get killed. It's just traumatic. I mean, the word traumatic is not enough for that experience. I just can't think of any other word that trauma. I fully believe at that moment in time can literally slam against an invisible wall of time space and leave an impression of that trauma and that event. And then hence later, when the battle was won and done, you then getting ghost stories. Oh, I saw this battle re enacting in front of me. I saw this, I saw that. And it goes on all over the world, in Normandy, in America, in the UK and Japan. It goes on everywhere. Really, people see battles playing out in front of them. There's a brilliant example here in the UK in a place called Warwickshire. Sixteen forty two on the England's first civil wars erupted here in Warwickshire place, and it's called the Battle of Edge Hill. And so these two war and parties met on this hill and then they just you know, tore each othered bits cannon fire and muskets and runners through with swords. Horrible, horrible stuff. That happened for twenty third of October sixteen forty two. A little while later, that's all done in a small town called Kinetown. Kinetown, I think that's pronounced. Some shepherds are out tending to their flock, as it were, in December twenty four to for decembers perceive, So it's a few it's only a couple of months later after the battle, and at one in the morning, all three of them witness the Battle of Edge Hill all over again. They saw what they called them specters fighting eachother on the battlefield. They said they were so terrified that they couldn't move because they thought if they did that they might get killed. That's how real these things must have been to them. And they could hear the noise, they could see the men dying, they could hear the men crying it for their mothers, and they saw. They were petrified for three hours that lasted four before they could finally leave, when when the apparition faded and they ran to them the town and they woke up the just as of just of the peace as it were, and the minister. They dragged them out there and they said a lot, and know this has happened. So the very next day, now being Christmas Day, in the evening, they go back again at one in the morning and the same thing happens. So now we've now got the shepherds seeing it. We've now got the Justice of the Peace seeing it, and minister seeing it, and half the town because they all came out to have a look, and they all flee in terror back to their homes. They locked the doors, and they ask for God's forgiveness and protection and all this sort of stuff. They saw it and then dis repeated again the fellign weekend and then the following weekends. The news got back to King Charles the First at the time, and he sent six officers down to that town to steady them. And I think, you know, the English back then was a bit different to what it is now, would say just to go and sort them out. I sort them out, you know, they're all hysterical. Just go and you know, reassure them and tell them they're all just being silly. So these six officers same from the king again Saturday night a week later, one o'clock in the morning, so really mornings, I should say, they actually see it for themselves. They see the battle play out in front of them again for the third or fourth time now. And not only that, some of those sold those officers served in the actual in that actual battle. And then they actually said in a report back to the king that not only did they witness it, but they also recognize some of the people in it, which is just incredible. But here's the thing, this is why I'm saying that these are not ghosts. They didn't just witness the people that died, They witnessed the people that survived. So what they were seeing is not a ghost, not ghostly apparitions. They saw a traumatic time pression come back again and play it out again. And some people may say that's residual energy. I don't buy residual energy. It's not enough to explain what happens. Residual energy just means that they've picked up on something that happened there. We can all do that in anywhere. But this is different. This is something that actually happens to the fabric of time and space. It got imprinted, it separates, and then somehow it comes back again and it plays it out again. And the main difference between knowing what a TTI is and a ghost is because TTI event, anyone that's in it will not know that you're there. They won't acknowledge you, they won't interact with you. So you are very safe because they can't even if they are having a big battle, none of their bullets or muskets are going to harm you because in all sense and purposes, you're not there. You don't exist either, So that's difference. How do you know TTI, Well, the apparition won't interact with you. It just do its own thing. And this is not just about big battles. A TTI can be a lone woman. You know, they've all heard the stories of the lonely dark women roam in the castle grounds and and all that stuff we hear quite often, which is all very romantic women of the league. Yeah, you know what, there may be a traumatic story behind that. Maybe there was a murder, murders of traumatic and that's left a traumatic time impression there of that single person. And maybe they did see a TTI of that of that lady in the lake. But I bet you after a while it fades away and it doesn't come back because I'm what I'm still trying to investigate with this hypothesis speculative at this point is that I don't know there is a way to re start the TTI again deliberately, or the energy just bounces on itself just for a few times before fading away completely. But by then, you know, the rumors are already already keeps it alive, don't they. I mean, oh, you know, we saw the lade in the lake, but the last time she probably saw was probably hundreds of years ago. But they may have seen it at one point. But now it's not coming back again. It's never coming back again unless we find a way of tapping into it and bringing it back again literally on call. Mean, that would be for me the holy growl that I could find a way of start of reinitiating a t TI again, because then I could go to any battlefield in any part of the world and say to people, what you're about to see is what happened on that day. And it'd be like watching a hologram. Imagine being able to have that ability to make to go right go then and it just worked. That be incredible mm hmm. And it's still not taking anything away from the ghost thing or the romance of ghosts. It doesn't take that away because this is what I categorize as a supernatural event. It's an emphasis on the word natural, but it's super because it's super because we don't science has not explained it yet. And what we're trying to do in SEP Agency is go here's a new here's a new theory. We believe this is what's happening. Now we've got to try and put the meat on the bones and try and find good examples of this and prove it to be the case. And the reason we want to do this so that if people do come across ghosts that they're fighting the hell out of them, and they see the same ghost with the same thing, and they realize, actually, it's not a ghost, is a TCI. It's going to take away that fear factor. But it's still been an amazing experience. So it doesn't You don't lose anything there because I would, you know, I'd love to go to Gettysburg maybe and initiate the TTI again. You know, they'll imagine seeing that. So yeah, it's a new theory. And like I say, people may say, well, that's just residual energy I mentioned, but I don't think that just that's enough to explain it. It's more it's more scientific than that. That, it's more super natural than that, because we don't understand nature. We just don't. We're just not in our state of evolution, and I mean consciously evolution. I'm not talking about physical evolution. I'm not a believer of human evolution as a human species, as a physical body, I'm afraid, but yeah, absolutely conscious evolution that is definitely occurring and has changed. So yeah, there's the things we don't understand. And this does bring us to cryptoids and you know, creatures of myth. You know how these things slipping in and out so quickly, how people so many people go missing in nature reserves. It happens all the time, the amount of people that go missing and we never find them. And you know, as a speak from experience as a police officer, I generally find all the people that I get assigned to a mispurs, I generally find them. But that's not the case everywhere. It's like they could completely disappear. Where are they going, They could be tripping into different realms themselves, they could be taken away by government projects. It's say, I'd like to think they're not, but you can't rule that out. They could fall and foul of obviously some criminal activity. But there's just too many of them. And you've heard of the five to one one is it five one one missing? The four one one for one moment? Yeah, I mean that's just the amount of the status that are involved. I think he's an ex police officer actually in the authors, yeah, I seem thank you. The status he presented in that was just shocking, and you just think, well, you know, the one of the towers are when a man I don't know where it was, they're going to figure now, I can't remember everything. But he was out of his son, you know, in the mountainous area, and he turned around to take a picture of his son. He literally turned his back on his son for about a second or two, turned around to take a picture of him, and he'd gone. And then they found his shoes somewhere. Now was the way up a hill a mountain. It's just how on earth can that happen? So extra you know, edes and different dimensional entities. They're you know, they're real, you know these things, and there's crypto always using that. I'm going to call it technology, but that ability they can coming in and out, you know, they can just they can just do it and we can't. We're very very fixed. And this vibration that we are or now hence you know the reason I can see you is because you're vibrating your room as I am here, So we can see each other, But is it really that you know unusual about changes dial slightly so you're you're somewhere different, but you still occupy the same space and time, and it's you know, that happens all around us. You've got three G, four G, five G, six G, even TV signals, radio signals, EMF. It's all around us. We don't see it, but it's all happening. And if it wasn't happening, you wouldn't get data on your phone. We weren't able to watch the TV programs. So when people do say, well, I don't really believe in that, I think, well, then you can't believe in TV, you can't believe in radio. You can't believe in satellites because they're doing exactly the same thing. They're communicating on a frequency that we just don't see. Because if we did see it, I think the sky looked pretty messy, wouldn't it. I wonder what color it would be. I've heard recently and someone told me about this on a recent interview that came out, and I came across it again yesterday on a Facebook post. But I think it was back during Vietnam when they were issuing out night vision and it was like those different spectrum colors that they were. Instead of green, it was red, and the soldiers, the gunner started shooting at these things are swarming around their helicopter because they thought these preachers were trying to get them. But literally they're wearing these red colors and they were picking up things outside our spectrum. They had no interaction with us. And then that's when they switched them to green. Because it drops out that frequency. You can't see the things that are vibrating on that frequency, and that's what frus strikes me the most. So the government found a way of viewing some entities and rather than go, you know what, we need to develop this for our soldiers, what are these, they stowed it away and they make sure they change it to green, so these things are filtered out and the soldiers don't see them anymore. And do you think they stopped working on that technology? Really? No, No, that would be that would be probably very good technology. Now they probably can literally put a headset on and see these things. Now. I wouldn't be surprised at at all. The recent video I think came out in January of what they called the squid or whatever the quap that they believe they blame. You couldn't see it with the naked eye, but you can only pick it up on the censors of that camera. Yeah. So I'm like, is that sort of similar to what these guys saw back years ago, that they're only seeing these weird things floating around because they can only see it in a certain spectrum. You can't see it without night vision. I'm gonna I'm going to call that one out. And some very skeptical in that video, and the reason is I've analyzed it, and that squid doesn't move single Yeah, it's very still something it looks like, Yeah, and it moves at steady rate. I'm not I'm not convinced that's even real. But if it is real, then yeah, absolutely, it does kind of go into the grounds that other cameras can pick things up. And I know there are power investigation groups out there that have spectrum cameras and I want to get one myself, actually by the about three or four hundred pounds. But they they convert your your four K camera into a full spectrum camera and it does seem more band like bandwidth than we can actually who are in physical why and beyond infrared as well, so it goes in fred and but I'm yet to see good results of them. That's the only reason I've not gone out and bought one, because I haven't yet seen something. I've gone, wow, that's that's impressive. I haven't seen it yet because the spectrum that we see is very tiny, isn't it compared to the entire universe? So even if you spread it out another few frequencies, is that still enough? I'm not sure that's enough. But whatever those red vision gorgas were doing in the Vietnam, they were hitting the right frequency of something quite clearly, and that's the frequency that we need to be looking at. So thank you, Brandon. You're going to you're gonna make that look for that now. I got you just mentioned the full spectrum and we're all going to a tenfoil hat over here. But it is tenfoil tells. I've wondered if what we're able to buy and purchase on our own it doesn't have that capability of what those goggles did back and being on maybe they're designed so we still can't pick up what's out there. Yeah, ast me very probable. Yeah, I think The only way you're going to get around that is by someone building it from scratch. That's not like that that does find out what the frequency were of those red goggles and work on it and keep it to themselves for a while. Because the government here about it, you're going to get another knock on the door. So which is a crying shame. But yeah, I think that's the only way. I mean, I wish I had millions in the bank myself, because I would absolutely fund scientists myself. I'd make sure I undo them first. And what I mean by undoing them is that make sure the mindsets are not firmly stuck in the I must only look at this because it's the only thing that pays my bills. So I'd love to have the funds behind and say I'm paying you, and I want you to be free thinking, you know, and just go for it and I'm not expecting a result, but i want you to completely go sideways and everything. That's what I'd love to be able to do. But unfortunately science today are now so you know, modeled from the very beginning when they start going to college universities, the doctrination into it or it starts very early on, and they know, damn will if they don't work on subjects that you know, are them days are normal or acceptable, then they're not going to any money. And so therefore, what's happened to science? Where's it's where's it gone from one hundred years ago? I almost feel like science has turned into we're not here to trying new things and discovering new things. Now it's like we know everything or here to disprove what you think. You know, Yeah, it's the trying to debunk anything, any good idea. Anybody's that got and as long as it keeps them paying their bills, and we all need our bills paid, don't get me wrong. I mean I won't get started on that whole system. But you know, that's what it needs. It needs scientists, minds and sinacity to really come up with new things that are not going to get spirited away in the middle of the night or you know. I was watching the documentary the other day about the zero point energy devices. There's been inventors inventing machines that give us free clean energy for one hundred years. For a one hundred years, they've been inventing them, and every single time that they just demonstrate it and they say, look this is it doesn't produce heat, it doesn't produce smoke, it doesn't cause any friction. It just produces energy from very little input, or energy from the ether itself. Those guys get shut down, they get the paintments refused. Painting office come in sees equipment, or the FBI come and knocking at the door, and in some cases they've been murdered. And that's happened far too many times in our history. For one hundred years, that's been going on and again. If I had millions in the bank, like if I was Elon Musk, he thinks he's changing the world by using a battery. My friend got it one way round. Batteries are antiquated and lergy, let's get away from that. But if I was Elon must I'll be putting in you know, if he really wants to be a savior that he keeps traying himself and change the world for the best, then for God's sake, go and pay one of his back backstreet scientists and give you the zero point energy device and then give it to us. And they gotn't regulate the energy use and make money off of it. So therefore no, But that's that the problem, isn't it. That is where we have crooks. The problem giving us free power is giving us our power, and that's what they don't want. And so I'm not an Elon Musk fan or any other billionaire thinks is helping us, and I can name a few. They're not helping us. They're doing everything they can to make sure that we don't wake up and go, Actually, we don't need you because tom down the road it's got a fag packet box that actually gives me power enough to pow on my street. So thank you, we don't need you anymore. Imagine the dread in their faces. And we're also we don't need you anymore. And naturally I found out that we can dig a hole in my garden and get plain water, because we used to do it hundreds of years ago, but now we're not allowed to apparently, you know, I don't know if you're the same in America but or Canada, but it's actually illegal to charge for water as such unless you provide a service for it in the first place. So if you're sitting spring water in a bottle, you're paying for the water because somewhere along the line, someone's going collects it for you and put it in a bottle and all that stuff. You're paying for that. Really, you're not actually paying for the water. All the water has been pumped to your house. You're not paying for the water. You're paying for the service to get it to your house. It is illegal. Pretty sure, at least maybe in mystere I have to one hundred percent confirm it, but I'm I'm pretty sure that you have to have a permit, a government permit in order to catch rainwater if it runs off your roof and you could run it from a spout into a bucket a container, like they want you to have a government permit because you are catching rainwater. I was like, why is that it's going to run off and hit the ground, like a wow, is it illegal to catch rainwater? But that is that's incredible, That is incredible. I didn't even know that that's not the same in you no such thing. But obviously we do get charged water rates and then and then they put water meters on our homes, going well, you've used so much more water. But if you go back to well, actually water, you should be charging for the water so it's not the volume, it's the fact that you get it to me I should be paying for. The volume is incidental, it doesn't matter. But they don't do that. Do that They've actually got you get charged by how much you use. It's wrong. So let's get these free energy devices, Brandon, they start digging olds in our gardens and getting that free clean water. Yeah, pump from the from the energy device. I must set up some barrels and catch some water. And you don't ever hear from me again. I guess someone listened to this and the rest of me for catching green water. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. How can you It's like you need you need a permit to breathe there? How long will it be to been told that next? You know? And conspiracy theories about that given many eights. Yeah, I think they're already working on that one. So yeah, So t tis then the truma to time impressions I think can explain a good large percentage of ghost sightings. So they're not ghosts. They are literally like a hologram almost playing out in front of you. Again, and then the other things that maybe do move things around the house and talk to you, they're probably edes, and then you may get a very tiny percentage that are belevolent spirit I'd say, but I've never to this day seen evidence of that happen yet. I've never personally spoken to a spirit and say can you move that chair over there, and felt a good thing about them, and then they're you know, my life is still wonderful because they're around. I've not experienced that, So I'd say, I'm not rolling it out because obviously that goes in the world of spirituality, not ruling it out at all, but I'm yet to see it. So until I see or documents it, I'm not gonna I'm gonna park it for now. So that's why I make the bult. I don't believe ghost because there are more supernatural or you know, scientific ways of explaining what's going on, and don't like to use the words scientific. So I think it's kind of had its day, but I think we need a new term for it, So a new a new natural almost, something that describes how things really work on the planet. So yes, that's that. Do you do that much time we've got now? A little bit? I try I try not to go over two hours too much and we've been here about an hour and a half. So okay, can I talk about the Jerusalem UFO vent in so I can bring it back to you foes a little bit. Yeah, fantastic, Okay. So in twenty eleven, it was generally twenty eight twenty eleven, in the city of David in Jerusalem, there was a video taking of an objects that came down quite slowly and hovered above the Temple mount or the Dome of the Rock. So yeah, yeah, Dome of the Rock and it hovered. There's a bright light that hovered and this was captured on video and it flashed twice and then it descended up to the sky. So ascended. I keep saying to keep doing that. Ascended up to the sky very quickly, literally in the blink of an eye. It was gone. When I when I when I saw that video, because it hit the media all around the world, it is a bit of a you know, went viral. When I saw that video, I was quite amazed by that, and I remember saying to myself, well, that's real, that's quite incredible, because see, the Dome of the Rock is quite a significant site in itself. It's revered by Muslims because Allah ascended to heaven at that point. From that point, it's revered by Christians because Jesus Christ apparently ascended to heaven again from the very same point. You make the connections. Not me, the Jews, obviously, it's very sacred to them because the first because the first Templar is called Solomon's Temple basically, so it's a very sacred site and it has been fought over by Muslims and Jews and Christians for hundreds of years, and it's just been going on for long thousands of years really. So the significance of a Ufo hovering over this this mount which is gold gold plated dome, by the way, don't you've seen it, it's gold plated dome, and then flashing and then disappearing at that speed, it's just there's a lot of significancy. Not only that the Knights Templar occupied the place in the eleventh century when they were reportedly either digging for or had found the Ark of the Covenant and other such religious articles of power. So they took up residents there and had quite a lot of sway, and then their excuse for being there was to allow Christian the Christians to come and worship, you know, without fear being killed en route by Muslim invaders and things like that. That were there to keep the peace and to ensure that the you know, everything was safe for Christians to come and worship. I don't really buy that. I think they were there very much for the artifacts that there was allegedly housed there. Because the Temple of Solomon was built to house the Ark the Covenant, It's not forget that that's what its main purpose was. So it did used to reside there. So there's a lot of history around that, and so so this UFO to come to me was quite astounding. So for the years have gone by, so this is twenty eleven, so it's a long time ago. And then as time went on, I've obviously gone back to that video and I thought, you know, is it real is it not? And I found out there's other videos of the same event, So there's more than one video showing the same thing, which is unusual in itself. So when I started a SEPI agency in August, when I started learning how to do video editing, which has been a journey in itself, I can tell you. So I used Vinci Resolve, which is a wonderful piece of software. When I started learning that stuff, I wanted to really analyze properly all the video footage I could from that Jerusalem UFO event in twenty eleven. So I made it an open investigation and I started analyzing it. I obtained seven different videos of that one event, seven different videos, which is unusual. And I started off with fully trying to prove it's real, fully trying to prove that the government behind a deep state secret and misinformation and proper ganda. My mindset was, I'm going to prove that this is real and the government's behind keeping it closed, and this is significant and all this wonderful. That was my mindset. I'm very mepodical on what I do. I'm good with it. I'm good with Photoshop and eventually Resolve and sounds recording to QUI software. So I obtained seventy videos and I analyzed and literally frame by frame, and I've made a YouTube video about how I analyzed these videos. The debt I went to and I show the examples and how to do it. And unfortunately, as I started digging into the evidence, I started finding cracks. I started finding evidence against the fact that it was real, which really was painful for me because I didn't want it to be not true. I wanted it to be true. But that famous poster, isn't it head, Yeah, you got it, there is what behind you. I want to believe. I totally wanted to believe, but unfortunately I started realizing that the evidence wasn't stacking up for it for its favor. I found evidence which is brand new, no one's ever mentioned found this evidence before that proved that event to be fake. And I've presented that in my video, which was supposed to be a fifteen minute video, which turned to a forty nine minute video because of all the evidence. And I had to explain myself because I fully believe. You cannot say that's not real, turn your back and walk out the door. That's not good enough. If you're going to say something like that is not real, you've got to prove why it's not really show the evidence, so I asked. I spent nine weeks, nine weeks creating that forty nine minute video because I had to do so much work behind it. I don't also just analyze the footage and the sounds. I dig into the people. Who are they who uploaded it, what's their background, what are they doing now? What is their profession? I do a person that persons of interest investigation as well, which is not what many groups do, and I found out connections between all of the witnesses. For example, the main video was shot by a guy that owns his own film production company in Israel. He's an actor as well. Second video he was meant to be with. The first guy. He teaches film at a local university. The third video filmed by students like nine kilometers away from when they are first two guys are. They're all film students, it turns out, and they all get taught by and the guy had done video two, so he started getting a picture and the bomb show evidence that I found. I don't really want to spoil my video because I want people to go and watch it. But there's a point in there where one of the actors has made a fatal mistake of being in two places at once, and I prove it. He's actually nineteen millick killing me as away from himself at the very same time. Incredible. Is he's Houdini or something. I don't know how he done it. Maybe he's an easy e. He just got himself there very quickly. But he's filmed himself in two different places at once. I don't even done it by accident. Where he's meant to drop that little cookie crumb, I don't know. But my video exposes that. My video also exposes that the footage filmed by American tourists that evening. This all happened at one in the morning. By the way, Okay, so there's two videos on by American tourists that state that they I won't do the accident. It won't solt anybody in the US, So I won't do the Mississippi accent. But this lady with a very broad Mississippi accent states that she's she's seen things like that in Mississippi before, but never like that. Well, although these you can hear it in two videos. You can hear us say the same sentence in two videos because two people standing next to each other. She says it in first vie deos she says that when the UFO is hovering above the dome. But the second video, which is only a few feet away from her, she says the same thing again after the UFO is departed, which is not possible inconsistencies. Yeah, it should have matched. If they're next to each other, it should have been the same. And then I realized that the background noises were busy daytime noisies because I analyzed the audio, and I also captured another American accent saying, Oh, it would be nice to come back in the nighttime. What's that time? Is one in the morning? How much nighttime do you need it to be? Yeah, it's so they're they're brand new pieces of evidence. See, all the evidence is new. No one's ever analyzed it before. So I've exposed that. And the the evidence that the guy was in two places at once is brand new as well. Now, obviously I have contacted these individuals for comment. They didn't comment. They didn't give back to me, surprise, surprise. Although I apparently have upset Jesus Christ, the second Coming of upset him. So there's a there's a guy in the video also named on there. He's basically saying that the footage was that the event was real because it's a sign from God to tell him, because he's a second Coming, that it was a sign from God to say that he's got to go forth and do his thing. So so when I contacted him, said, I'm sorry, but this event didn't actually happen, So what does that mean for you? He got really cross with me, strangely, very very upset, very angry with me. You don't want to make Jesus mad and come and smite you. Nah. Apparently he's Danish, but the same guy I checked out his website. I mean, he does literally right on them that he is a second coming, but he goes to concerts and and then sees something like, you know, like just an ordinary pop star, and then and then says that she was she was singing to him. It's a sign from God. So come on, you know, you enjoy your own conclusions. But I don't think that's how Jesus would operate if he were to come back. And the fact that the UFO wasn't in the first place, therefore means that he wasn't a sign from God, was it. It didn't happen, So, you know what, it was a real cry and shame that the evidence unfortunately didn't support the event. And I was more disappointed than anybody when I'm realize that because I so wanted that to be true, because I so wanted to go like this is an amazing event which should all be sitting up and taking attention of this, but it's not. And one of the other videos, the seventh video is just the most amazing piece of rubbish I've ever seen in my life. He actually had a monk in it walking out of a mysterious door, when just after this big, massive UFO appears. And I've proven the sides of the object. By the way, it's only three point four meters in diameter, and I've proven it on the video. You can go watch it and explain why and how I've measured it. But there's seventh video. This huge UFO CON's flying over, spinning around with its lovely lights on it, and this monk comes along shrouded in mystery, and he drops his keys on the floor. And the guy who's filmed is doesn't do what any other human being would do, is go, excuse me, you've dropped your keys. He doesn't do that. He just lets the monk walk off into the dark, picks up the keys, and on the keys there's a semi of the Night's templar ah. And that was just an incredible video. And the key itself isn't an ancient old key like you think you've seen Indiana Jones or something. It's a modern key with the dots in it. You know, it's really a real modern key. We're a nice templar keyring on it suck, you know, I'm not. I don't mean to mock, but that one just had me in stitches because I think if I was there one in the morning and it's weird monk, I'm walking out, then he dropped his key, I'd go excuse me. You know, I'm British. I'm going to excuse me, mate, you dropped your keys, you pick it up and you go, oh, thank you very much. You wouldn't just let the guy walk off, and then you just pick it up and look all mesmerized, and then you say this ruddy great UFO suddenly over your heads, spinning around, which is far too big to be the same object there is on the other videos. So yeah, it's that was entertainment. It's a peek. And un fortunately the guy that had done that number seven video was also responsible for the first video, so that just goes if one of them's fakes, they're all going to be faked. So it was a journey. Brandon to say the least. I don't want to come across though, as that the SEP Agency is a debunking outfit, because we are totally not. We're not that at all. We're trying to provide and document best evidence. We're trying to do it in a methodical manner, and yes, we are being mindful of the things we can't measure, because you know, I've had that criticism already. You can't measure and poke everything and prody everything. I know that, I get that. And excellent experiment, the experiment essential, I think it's called. So we will record the senses outside the normal five and go, well, what was the feelings? What was going on you know in that person's brain, what did they feel? Any repression? Did they So we do ask those questions too, so it's not all about just what we can measure and way and prods. But if you don't do those bits first, then you're not doing the job of investigating properly. And I'm going to be be quite adamant on that one. If you can't even do the basics and don't do it at all, if you're going to keep running into first investigation with psychic medium without measuring anything without documenting anything. Then you've got to ask yourself, what good are you doing for the calls itself, you know, the disclosure calls, getting everything out there and making life better for everybody, because that's what we're all doing. So why you do your podcasts. We're all trying to get answers if you'll realize, if you realize you're a soldier in that war or not, you are because you're part of it, and it's a good place to be, I'd say, Brandon, So keep going. I don't see myself stuffing anytime soon. But no, and don't either, And it will become difficult at times, it will become more problematic than you think it's worth it. Just there the moment, you just need to take a breath, step back, maybe just take to take a week or two off, or even a month off, but you will then go back with fresh eyes and fresh ears and it'd be good again. So you will get days like that, and everyone does. Everyone that's part of this insane world that we're in all get that. And I've had it already. I started SEP in August. I've already had doubts about it, but that's just the doubts that stop you doing things, so you could just got to put them in the shredder and get on with it. But sometimes you do need to take a breathe. I think that's quite normal because life does get in a way, doesn't it. I'm going on break here in July, so I'm gonna take the month of July off and maybe into August a little bit. But I should have enough recorded door no one will notice a difference. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it would be would be need much need a break. So but we're all we're all fighting this battle. Basically it's a shame. So just getting me really onto my last point about what step you're trying to achieve, then, you know, I think I'd like I'd like to think I've got the message across about how different we are and the way in the way we operate. What I'd like to achieve really is that other paranormal investigating groups around the world and in obviously in the UK and around the world, that we start working together, that we start sharing information and data, that we start using common practices, that we start almost formalizing it better, and we start getting rid of the charlatans. And I don't like to out Charlottan because it gets personal. But we've got to just ignore them. You know. Some of them are made good have made good careers out of it, writing books or being on TV. It's just it's got to stop, you know. And the only way we can do that is while working together. So the se PGC, I've got a system that I've written in VB scripts which I'm going to get converted onto the web. So I've gone to some guys in India. I'm going to get I am. I used to be a programmer, but I just have not got a time to program the whole web application at the moment. So I'm taking to the guys in India and hopefully they're going to get this done for me with my spec but they're going to write a web fund of an S called database system where we will categorize everything, just verty much like the disclosure projects done with doctor Stephen Greer. He's released recently with the UFOs, which is wonderful work and great and I know it's going to be a big effort. But Sepult is not just going to stop in at UFO. It's going to be all paranormal, all supernatural, all cryptoids, anything that's not being there is normal be captured. So the database will be shared then, because it would be on the way, it'd be accessible by anybody anywhere, and I will probably hopefully turn it into an app as well, so you can report something easier because everyone's got a device in their pocket these days, rather than expecting them to go back and do it on a laptop. So what I need really is if people have some synergy with this and feel that, yeah, you know what, I think, we do need to band together now, contact us, we start talking, and we start putting processes in place so we can work together and stop ignoring each other, because keeping us working in siloed as we are just keeps us, keeps the truth away from us. Because what is the first rule of war? It is to divide and conquer. Yeah, okay, they've been doing that to us for a long time, through religion, through politics. Who fancies who these days? As the new What I means, it's a ridiculous concept. We've got to stop it. So egos aside, and egos will slip in even my own, and I am fully all aware of that. I need, I need to push myself as a person, I know to get seen so SEPI can be heard. So I know I've got to kind of put myself in that in that firing line a little bit. But the egos have got to be parked at the door, and the data and information has got to be shared, I think, in a more transparent way, and we we sepulously follow a code of ethics, transparency and honesty and all that sort of good stuff that the police do. It's the same as the place's code of ethics here in the UK, and every step officer that joins have got to agree to abide by those ethics. It's all about respect, it's all about being honest and transparent, even if it doesn't agree with your own personal belief. We've just got to park it because you know, there's things that I'm going to come across that I don't quite take on board. Of the flat earth theory thing, I'm not bought on that, but if there's good evidence, I'm all is showing it. But if you ask me, now, do I believe the Earth is flat? No? I don't. I don't understand how we would be flat when everything else in the universe is round. I don't get that basic concept. Plus in the military when we was talk to shoot at long distances, we had to factor in velocity and wind factor, you know, direction. But the other mathematical thing to work out was the curvature of the Earth because as you fire around that of your fifty cow rifle, that is going to go some but it's going to lift because the Earth is not flat. So you've got to calculate that curvature of the Earth. And every pilot will tell you the same thing. So I'm not brought on that theory. But please, if you're a flat Earth and you think I've missed something crucial, come to me and tell me. Maybe the seculator can do that as part of an investigation. I don't know, but the future YouTube video for it. But come to me. I'm more than happy to have my mind opens to those, you know, to concepts that I've previously just shut the door on. And in part of me is thinking, please, don't prove the Earth is flat. Please don't prove the Earth's flat. I will tell you if you do start to go down that rabbit hole. There are some things that make your question. I'm not a flat Earth or per se, but I do have some questions about certain things, because when you see what they present, Yeah, it does kind of make you scratch your head a little bit. Yeah. One thing that did make me scratch my head about that is that a Flat Earth shared a picture of planet Earth. There are two pictures. One was a bit grainy, one was a bit clearer, just two pits of Earth. And he he said, the first one's in the nineteen sixty nine and the album's taking when's the last Apollo mission? I can't remember, so I'm not going to state sent me to right, So they were different okay, different times. However, the clouds are in exactly the same position. Yeah, and I had to go, oh, the clouds can't possibly be in the same position for at the whole planet. That's not possible. So obviously that the what you go to then where a mine go my mind goes, is that proven those photogophs are legit for a start, that they're not actually the same image that one's just made to look clearer. So I would I would try and get the originals of those photos and then analyze them, have them anaalized properly. So that would be my first rule of fun. That's where i'd go to but if they are real, something's not right because clouds can't form form again ever in the same formation. Ever. It's just impossible. So yeah, that that made me scratch my head, Brandon, if it was a picture from the Moon, I scratched from them. Yeah, I scratched my head on those anyways, because I would be one hundred percent. I don't necessarily think we actually went to the Moon just because well, that's a whole big rabbit hole in itself, but I feel like, yeah it is, and I don't be dragging at debate, but I think you've got to look at what the politics were like around in the US at the time. There's your answer. Yeah, and the stuff does not hold scrutiny here fifty something years later and they almost sixty years now. But yeah, and a big question is why have we not come back? Yeah, that's what I'm here ready to say, is why we stopped going in nineteen seventy two, and then we destroyed all of the technology that got us there, and now they can't replicate that. They haven't been able to replicate the technology they destroyed because they didn't want it to fall into the wrong hands like that is the most convenient bullshit I've ever heard. Yeah, that's rubbish. I mean Elon Musk's got a rocket can do the do the same body thing right now, you can do it. It's funny though, because I just read something though about Elon Musker's rocket. They have to be refueled on their way to the moon. They said it's going to take refuelings just to reach the moon, while the original rocket from the sixties didn't have to be refueled. How does that work? If you if you throw, if you're in space and you throw an objects from your hands, it will continue to go. That's that's basic science. It will continue to move. It doesn't stop. It doesn't I think they call it inertia. It doesn't just stop run out of push. It will go on forever. That's why if you're an astronaut in space, the last thing you want is to detach yourself accidentally from your craft, because you will just float forever. You're not ever coming home. So you only need a tiny bit of frost and a few to keep you a lines maybe, but you don't need loads of frost to then start making your way to the moon. You need lots to get off of it. You need lots to get off of Earth, but you don't need lots in space. So yeah, absolutely, they didn't have to have a whole lot to leave the moon though, they only had that little thing to leave them. So it appeared to be a bit of a like a flash bang on't it. Like I said that that whole thing it's a completely different rabbit hole. But it's I've just never bought. Even as a kid, I never really thought we went to the moon. Oh I did believe when I was a kid, because I was a kid, and I thought that's a wonderful thing. But now I'm mold on myiser. No, No, it's gonna takes a lot more than you know movie set to convince me. Now. No, well, David, I think we can probably wrap this one up. But I do want to say I appreciate you coming here and talking today. It's been a pleasure it Well, thank you again for inviting me. I really appreciate it. Into Yeah, there's lots of things we're going to be looking into in your future, so yeah, watch that space. If you've got to our website SEPPI, which is Sepi Sepi hyphen Agency dot Com, you can keep abreast of our cases and our YouTube channel as well. I'll make sure to include that link in the show notes for anyone listening. Wonderful, Thank you well again. Thank you for coming on here and talking with me today. It's been a pleasure, and I recommend everyone out there listening to check out the SEPI Agency. I'm sure they're going to find some cool things and stuff you guys should be interested in. So but thanks to David and thanks for listening. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. 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