Ep. 112: Sasquatch and High Strangeness

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host brainon Wright. Tonight, We're gonna be joined by my guest, Stephen. Stephen is a lifelong experiencer. He's also an author. He has written a book called Heroic Again. You can find out on Amazon. 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I'd like to take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Stephen. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Thank you, Thank you, carry much scrabbling. Do you want to let the audience know a little b about yourself? Yeah, Stephen's slusher. I'm from Arizona. I grew up in Mesa, Arizona, and I lived there for a duration of my until when I was I'm thirty or so. Then I moved to Colorado. Left in Colorado for a few years, and then I moved to a New Mexico my parents place and in New Mexico and in the fourth Corners area. And for that I had lived in Cholo, Arizona two for a couple of years. But I paranoral experience just started in Masa when I was a kid. I was like five years old, and I went to the bathroom and I saw in the in the window high up about it's about seven and a half feet high, not quite the eight foot, but right below the ceiling, I saw a witch looking at me, grinning. I just called her a witch. She had plenty features and a evil grin when and I just was so frightened. I just ran out and told my parents. So I. Dad went out and looked around, but we didn't see anything. We lived in a Mormon neighborhood. It was it was a new neighborhood, but it was on farmland and there used to be whole cong village Indians. I used to live there one hundreds of years ago. Because there was pottery all over the place on lots. And I heard chanting a few times at night, real gottural, low low voice chanting and we had every once in a while like a something like a radio would click on stuff like that. It's just little stuff. But I really didn't get my real experiences, well big experiences, till later, a lot much later on. I lived in Mark Collins. I was in my early forties. I lived with my sister at her house and in the bedroom, and all of a sudden I started getting paranormal experiences, like I was playing with my two nieces with the c intel. It's a type of toy like she pull a string and then a doll goes around to a different animal and it makes that animal's noise, and I was pulling on it kind of rapidly. Then all of a sudden, they went to a ruff voice, real gruff voice. Couldn't make out the language, and my nieces were startled and say, he's really angry at you. So you And also around that time, I was watching the moss Antocrasies on DVD and UH in the morning night I went to put it from my DVD player into my into the the caseine and when I opened it up, I had a rima paper on the floor and the paper, just the rima paper just blew up about six or eight inches and came crashing down, and that that was about it. There. I was soon called the solo Arizona. It's it's in the mountains Arizona, eastern central Old Arizona, to work with my my cousin's lecture company. He was doing a job there. We were renovating a bank, and I lived with my mom's trailer, and this guy lived with me for a little while. I worked with me too, and he laughed and then all of a sudden, Then this is two thousand and three when I was talking about show and a four columns that happened in late two thousand and two, Well, this is early two thousand and three. In May was concentration of paranormal experiences I had. I was one night I was signed by my chair, Easy chair would. I were in the front room the trailer, and I heard a high pitched noise and then all of a sudden, I started shaking from my extremities, and I went up to my body. I was shaking, and the cherry was shaking, and I felt like a trailer was shaking. Then all of a sudden, I heard it a scream. I wasn't scream like being murdered and it lasted about six seventy eight seconds or whatever. Then I was really frightened and I stood up or whatever and then stopped, but I didn't run out or anything. It was. I thought that was very strange. And then a couple of days later I went to bed. As soon as I got on a bed, I felt like pressure coming down on me. It was like some invisible force changing the air pressure and uh. And then all of a sudden, I started quaking in my arms, my hands, my feet, and I went up my leg and went up my arms, and then my whole body was shaking like I was a tuning fork, and the bed was shaking. And then I struggled to get up. But I stood up and I was bouncing out. The walls brightened and I heard another screaming noise, a woman screaming. The lasted about you know, the same class six of eight seconds. Yeah. Yeah, there was lots of hauntings happening. Then there was like knockings on the walls, and uh, inside the walls and outside the walls that would happen several lights. I wake up and get alarmed by those knocking and smoke alarm. We go off, and every once in a while I heard a growling noise for a month high up on the near the ceiling. And then and then I heard shaking of a piece of metal like it sounded like thunder, like a piece of sheet metal shaking, but it sounds like they make a noise like thunder. And and also we used to have a creature called the Boggian Monster, and we grew up. We heard story on it, and Bogian Monster it was. We didn't know about Bigfoot. This is just a long time. In the floor that was, there was an eight man, a big eight man that hung around the Bogion Rim in Arizona, and the boy Scouts would I always talk about when the campfires, tell stories about them. But anyway, in Solo that was, I was right by the bogan Rim and I heard tree knockings. I was in the forest. I would hear tree knockings real loud, and sometimes the bratchets would break. They were hit so hard, you know. I would hear hear screaming noises too, and the knockings on the trailer that was different than the than the haunting knockings. And so I didn't see big Foot. Then I just heard stuff that I associated with Big put there. And also I had a cassette player in my Nissan pickup. Then I had tape that I take made of a group in the sixties called Love and that was Forever Changes. So there's a a song on it called the Red Telephone. It's a strange song, it's a very good song. And anyway, at the end of it, there's a nursery rhyme. It goes taking him away today, that's going away the key he will be tomorrow you are me and that that would play, And every time I left the truck pickup to go outside my trailer, that was the last thing I heard, but I know I have to correct it. That's the first thing I heard what I got in my pickup from the trailer because it would be on a different point on the tape, but I left it, so somehow it managed to get on the tape with that nursey rhyme when I got in the pickup, and and that happened several times. It just kind of spooked me, and I finally just topped the tape out after hearing going I don't. I checked the tape and when I got out it was a place that wasn't on that song. But then when I got in, it was on the tape on the place where the song was. And I don't know how that happened, but anyway, all this stuff was happening, and I thought, I'm gonna go a safeway. I'll think of five numbers and I'll play the Fantasy five game to see it any of those come up. See if this is in my mind, or is it something really happening to me? Like so I did when the computer picked the numbers. I had the numbers in my mind written down, but that didn't I didn't play them the computer. The computer picked the numbers just automatically. It's a quick pick. And the numbers were nine, eleven, twelve, seventeen, and nineteen. And all of a sudden I got the ticket and that was all five numbers were on it. The night, I was very surprised. It was kind of felt a sense of wonder. Then I felt kind of a sense of h and frightened. That's something to read my mind and manipulated state computer, or it was that or my mind was making it, but I think it was something read my mind manipulated The computer seemed like to me or it was just coincidence, but it was a very hi, I mean a coincidence that would have been one in three hundred thousand. So and all this stuff was happening to me, so it kind of chopped without those. As I'm sorry, what did you say? It was a generated the numbers. The computer, the state computer, the machine, a lot of machine. So you generated to take it with the winning numbers, Well, I just or just the numbers you were thinking. Of, Well, I get the numbers I was thinking of. Okay, it generated the winning winning tickets and that's pretty crazy. Yeah, that would be pretty cool if I did that. No, I didn't. When I just I was just testing to see if those five numbers would come up, and they did. And one night I was working and I was putting up lights for us are lights and the grit ceiling and and I just put in a electrical outlet, whip up to electric box, and all of a sudden, I thought, there's going to be a spark here, and there was, but it was a hallucination. I didn't. But the thing is, well that happened. The light right by me blew up, blew out, blew out, And so that was kind of weird. And and so then I was hiking. One day, I did a lot of hiking there and solo, and I saw that it was raining in someplace by a mountain, and I ran and went to my truck go check it out. This in Arizona, we're exciting. They're excited if it rains. It's not usual. So I went there and I saw a sign, a road sign that said it was a a horizontal sign that said on it printed twelve dash forty two. So that was a very strange sign. And then I turned around and I looked for it. It wasn't there anymore. So I just chucked it up. And whatever it wasn't. It was there when I saw it at first, and then it wasn't later on. I don't know what that meant either. And in a couple three years from then, I went to Montana visit a friend used to be my girlfriend, but we're just my main friends. And in Whitefish, Montana, out in the forest, and one day she use at work. Now it's backing me, and then all of a sudden, wow, the house started shaking, and their knickknacks for falling off the shelves and stuff, and then then all of a sudden, there's no noise in the attic right by me. Sounded like I'm cross between a monkey and a bird, and it just made a racket. It went across the house. And then all of a sudden, you heard a crashing noise like a crash on the into the house. And then I went over and saw the two posters fell down from the bedroom. They had UH number three on them. Yeah, there's three pyramids. I wanted three jazz addictions all one. And I was flying the lottery and I thought, you're gonna play the number three powerball and I won thirty six bucks and so but then and then uh A two years later in Montana, she moved to calluspell and h and I was the first night there. I stayed in the back bedroom and I heard all sorts of voices, sounds like bells and rapping on the walls. In the morning, I told her we were up. And I saw you all year back bedrooms haunted. And then all of a sudden, the blind started shaking. Real Violet me buy me and uh that night I went to going to bed in the evening and uh and then they had a CD player and there's a CD in it David Bowie, Uh think you started us on the Spiders from Mars and uh. And the CD player wasn't on, but I was thinking a song about a song on it Moody Great Daydream. Then all of a sudden I heard that song playing playing on the CD, exactly like I was thinking in my mind. And and then that happened the next night on a different song, and then on a different album. I had a next night and different album that I would I would think of a song and it would play. The CD would come on automatically before I got into the bedroom. And the one Saturday, I went to the convenience market and h and I bought a lottery ticket and I liked my ball on the on the counter. For some reason, I wasn't thinking, and then I realized that. Then I went back and it wasn't there. Someone stole it, but they didn't know who. They didn't see anything, they said in the in the surveillance camera didn't showed anything because it was morning. It was just bright light. From the morning light. I couldn't see anything. But I went home and it castled like cards under my breath. I said, I wish I had the check that was in my wallet folded up. And then the next morning I got up and had breakfast. I had some cereal. We had like a half a dozen boxes of cereal or the pantry, and I just chose one randomly and I poured a bowl, then ate it, and then I poured another bowl. I was born, and I saw something that was in the box, and I reached inside the box and pulled it out. It was my check, pulled it up three like it had was in my wallet, and so I was very surprised. It was like a example of teleportation friendly spirit or something maybe back in my check in a side of cereal box. And then a couple of nights later, I was sleeping and I woke up. I felt the weight of my bed and I saw there was a ghost drawing on my bed. A woman it was like in her mid thirties or whatever, short block hair, pretty black pants, blouse. And the funny thing is I wasn't frightened. She didn't look frightened me, but but she looked she saw me, and when she saw me, she gave expression of fright and then she disappeared. She recessed from the front to the middle, from the back to the middle, the recessed and disappeared. And that was basically my experiences then in Montana. That I I went home to New Mexico and my trailer and I well, first of all, before before the experiences of the trailer, I'll tell you about d say, drive my stepfather's Cadillac home from church meeting about eleven o'clock at night, and I was the only person on the road. But I'll sudden, I was about half a mile from my turn off to the house we live on a farm, and I saw a light in the road, covering the whole road. It was like a in my sphere globo half globe of light on both sides of the road, and it was very bright, but I didn't illuminate anything. We thought was very odd. Yeah, So it was about I don't know, thirty feet wide and about fifteen feet tall, and for some dumb reason, I drove right into it. And then all of a sudden, all I could see was a bright light inside my cabin outside and the car wasn't running. I was just there in suspended animation in the car and there's no noise, and and the lasted a few seconds that all of a sudden, they saw two sets of headlights go by either left of me from cars like that. All of a sudden, I was driving again out, I was out of the light and I went home. I didn't seem to mess any time, though, I just I would. I would like to be uh pipnotize seeing if I remember anything. I don't know trusted, but I could know what there. There was anything else that went on there. There was a it was an area where my step sister said there some of them saw a UFO one time. It's the same area. I don't know if there's any relationships between them that did. But in my trailer one night, I was I was sleeping and I woke up about I woke up at midnight and I heard arguing outside, real loud, angry arguing by at least two voices. I thought, all of my neighbors again, they're arguing. We lived out in the country, but we had our house and the trailer in the backyard. The next door was I ren to the house and anyway, I couldn't make any language of it. There's because the people next were Spanish. You know. It wasn't Spanish, it wasn't now a hole certainly wasn't English, and it sounded very strange, like it was very rough, very rapid, and always saying compare it to certain noises in the Sierra sounds. And then I was very afraid, scared, and I mustered up some carriage, you know, looked out the window of the lines about three figures, big figures like bigfoot or what. Yeah, they were big. And then oh, then I looked at it for a couple of three seconds. And then it was awkward looking at him because I was bending over. My head splitted up looking at him. So I just let the blind go down, and then I was And then they kept chattering away for about ten minutes, and then they heard a very loud al hoots and it was quiet in the morning. I didn't see any signs to them being there. The ground was hard, so there's no sign. I wish it had been muddies secent prince, but uh, in that area. It's by the San Juan River. We lived by the San Juan Ruble and we have a wash that the water runs year around and then so we have lots of animals and stuff, and there are reports of bigfoot around there around the river, and so we have a something called the nappy. It's now a whole agricultural product in corporated. And then they the Gigantic Agricultural Project. There are the Mesa above us, a couple of miles above us. And people in the now house have seen Bigfoot there and then. And the funny thing is I watching Finding Bigfoot and they were in in New Mexico and by area, and they had a town meeting in Durango and the sky was a security guard of the casino that's about four miles from me. He said he was opening up one morning and he saw a bigfoot and it ran off. And uh so there are of course the big foots there. I worked voluntary at museum the Pablo Ruins. This was abandoned a long time ago. But anyway, here's an archaeologist and he lives in Fruitland, New Mexico, along the river, just west of where I lived, and he said his wife saw a bigfoot on their property by the corral, by their corral, and he had a picture of his fall. The prince so very good, Prince yea and people. And then I've heard on Facebook a woman say that the cop deputy had seen them a big foot crossing the highway there one morning it was I don't know where house he got that information, but that's Pisa. And and then one night I was in my trailer and I woke up. It was one thirty in the morning, and uh, and I it's not that I wanted to wake up at at three o'clock and watched the TV show Angel, because I have strange sleeping habits. I woke up at night and watched shows late at night oft times, mainly Western, but I was watching the Angel then, so I just muttered, I want to wake up at three o'clock. And then I didn't go back to bed to sleep. I just laid there and all of a sudden, the room spun around about three or four times a couple three seconds, and the clock, the digital clock, said three oh four. So I went from one thirty to three or four and three or four seconds. I got up and won't keep on the dining room area where the TV was, and turned it on, and and Angel was on a miss four minutes of it. They're off like four minutes books on, so that was unusual. And then my microwave wouldn't get crazy in one light. I got up and the digital readout kept reading three three three. It was going across the screen and then I opened it up the door and then all of a sudden, it's a loud explosion inside of it had blown up, didn't work anymore, and uh. On the farm we had training things happening like. It's kind of a head scratcher. We won. One day we saw a bunch of shovel scrapes on the bar road by the barn. Didn't find any footprints. It's a bunch of shovel scrapes about They're about fifteen feet wide and twenty feet long and stubbled scrapes. I don't know where they got the shovel or whatever, but it was sort of imitation of my stepdad and I were, but not David Forward scooping out sediment out of our pond nearby. It seemed like a parody of that. And then one day, one week in summertime, we're taking care of my stepsisters donkey property next door to us, and I would fill up the water troughs, a big water trough with water, and they would the dock. He could drink three or four inches every day and filled up a gift something to do I guess one day afternoon we came to feed it water whatever, and uh, all the water was gone out of the trough and so it was elect for a hole. There wasn't a hole la trot and there was no mud anywhere. It's completely dry. So I was wondering how how the fifty gallons has disappeared? And now I filled it up. Next day the same thing. All the water was gone, and that happened three times and then I went back to normal where there was just three or four inches drunken out of it. After I saw them afternoon and one day I was driving home from work down the road driveway. He goes about half a mile across down the fields to the houses there are back from the road about half a mile, and I saw children dancing in a circle by my stepfather in the field. He was on the ground, he was getting up and they were trancing around in a circle with five. They looked like gray school size children and the woman, the girls three girls wore long white kind of close studying restless, and the guys wore black pants and white long white, long sleeved shirts, and they were like going around in a circle and kicking up they're kicking up, kind of springing up like ballet dancers. They're very eloquent, even more oppressive than ballet dancer. I just chalked them up as berries does the Firies danced in a circle, but they weren't little ferries. We were great spokes o their berries. And then I was that I couldn't seem anymore because I was driving. I came up to the house and they're out of view, and it turned out by stepfather had fallen down and broke a couple of ribs. They seemed to be celebrating that and they're having a good time. But I don't know that was mean of them or whatever. And uh and like that's about it. It's happened around here. Yeah, So have any questions. You've had a lot of different experiences. So yeah, oh, I forgot one thing about two years about two years ago. I have a many stories in Colorado. Are a bad at Colorado, and I have CDs, DVDs edited. I wanted to wish I had a DVD that was in the searchers little cowboy movie Western. I'm just thinking about that. And then I then they went to sleep and they woke up the DVD's line right next to me. There's example of teleportation. I guess, so strange. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that was about two years ago, so things still happened. And about six months ago I was watching videos on my tablet and I was and I noticed it was time to go watch TV watch the World Series, and then the voice came out of my tablet and said time to get up, sweet. Yeah. Was it a male or a female voice? Female voice? Yeah, female voice, which is real strange, I laughed. I have these experiences, but they don't frighten me, and I don't think they're the money. They just perplexed me. And the very exciting to me that I did see the UFO once. I was riding with my my mom and stepdad church on Sunday morning. Then we're going by low abandoned refinery and there was a I was sitting on the driver's side and looking out and I saw a UFO pacing the car. It was like ten feet the diameter globe or whatever orange, and then it was about twenty feet up and it paced us until we got to the end of the refinery that it disappeared. That's my only you have boat experience the light of the road might have been one too. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, And I think I'm not really afraid. And I think it fascinates me all the stuff, and and I just chock it up this big playful with me. I think the paranormal is pretty playful with the human beings. They they do all sorts of things. They mock religion, and they they mock your credibility and mock your ego. Like I know lots of people that have well, not lost, few people that have very normal experiences. Me, they took a look they were chosen, uh by aliens or whatever, by the spirits. That's being special and my own. So he thought he was abducted against and he really took it to heart and sent me a chosen person. And he alienated himsel from other people. He thought he was a hope he got or whatever. He died alone, alienated family and friends. So I never did get too serious about my experiences. Learn not to do that. Just why, I say, have a good sense of humor about it or whatever. I don't know why I was having him experiences, And like I said, I didn't I wasn't checking it up to the devil or whatever it was like some sort of intellig it being teasing me or showed me, or or was it dressed in me or what have we. Yeah, I don't really know. It's just perplexing. Yeah, basically for me, when I hear people have all these experiences or whatever, I know, I get a lot of negative comments here and there from people because I don't I don't try and prove or disprove anybody, and I get people leaving negative comments about, well, why didn't you question this? This doesn't make any sense. Obviously they're making stuff up, and well, that's not what I'm here, and that's not what I'm about. So I'm not going to try and pick apart every little thing that someone says, because that's not what I do. But right when I hear people have so many, so many experiences, it's just like, why would someone have so many experiences? And clearly there's something if people come on here and there'll be one hundred percent honest and everything about is one hundred percent true. Something is I don't want to call the people like, oh there's something special about them or anything something like that, but like there's some reason they're having these experiences now, is it because of a certain blood type, Is it because of a certain condition they have? Is it's something there's some reason they have experiences. And I don't think anyone ever looks past that because for the most part, when people hear stuff like what you're saying or whatever, is going to get taken as well, this guy's making stuff up or this guy's crazy, Like, no one ever actually tries to look into the fact of what if it's all true? Right exactly? Yeah, So. It's hard for me to when I have guests or whatever, because I do get a lot of questions and I do have a lot of things, and sometimes people tell me things it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But who am I. I'm just a podcaster. I'm just a guy with a microphone. I'm the one special, So I don't know anything. I got to go out there and try and question people or try and prove or disprove anything from somebody. But when you talk about all these experience you've had throughout life and up until this point, it's gotten to the point to where it's like, what is going on that's causing these Like what is and you just mentioned your uncle with abductions, and he said he kind of took it as that way. There's a lot of people in this field that they do feel that way, like they think that they're special. It makes them when they alienate people, and it turns everyone off because people, for whatever strange reason, gets egos about yeah, being a chosen one. I'm like, I don't, right, So yeah, not they go off on a little tirade or anything about it. But it's just like, I know, when I have these episodes and I have people that come on here and listen and everything else, Like depending on the listener, people expect you just to let people talk or they expect people to like rip them apart. I don't. That's not what I'm about. I'm not here to try and rip anyone apart. But right, what do you honestly think? Like I think you said you don't know, but like, have you ever on the plate a like what could be the reasoning as to why you're having all these experiences? Well, I'm I've been intellectually curious about things, and these experiences that stimulated my my curiosity and then lect it's like something is trying to tell me something. I don't know what I'll tell you something else. I have a photograph. Well, it looks like an alien and it disappeared in my camera in the in the card memory card. I didn't take it, but it was just there. It looks like a feature with long elongated head and the So I kind of thought, well, maybe that's something that is contacting me. Why. I don't know, but he seems interested in me. I listened to David. Why that's a lot and messing stories, messing personal stories, and they it seems like people are taking their males and they're oftentimes intellectuals or whatever. And I wonder what's going on. So yeah, and I don't think I'm variously special. No, yeah, I think whatever is doing this is incredibly smart. But it seems to what the show like. Look, you think the world works this way, and it doesn't really work that way? Does I experienced time travel and teleportation? Not me, but objects all experiences time traveled by myself of hour and a half about and the objects tell ortating and so. But a lot of people asked us to say, we're looking for a higher spiritual meaning. But I think these are physical beings, highly intelligent and here for some reason. But I don't know why. You mentioned like stuff earlier with like sas squad or big Foot in the activity that people had seen and the noises you'd heard and everything. Did you ever actually see anything though, I don't remember if you said you actually saw anything physically. I know you said you heard. Not in Sholo, but I did hear in New Mexico. I looked out the window when I heard voices in the sow three like there was some one else, maybe eight feet tall, another saved, the tall one about five feet and they were They're about twenty twenty five feet away from me. It was real dark, so I couldn't make but the outlines of them and uh, and then I just sobbed for a few seconds. I was not brave enough to open up the door and look at him. So I was actually pretty frightened that night because they sounded very angry orwever, but they could have been the same. How you doing it? Who knows? It was sort of like to see her sounds a lot of the Yeah. I actually recently just interviewed Ron mooreh who from the original of the Sierra sounds yeah, yeah, but no, when it comes to Bigfoot and everything else, like anymore. Years ago, when people were talking about Bigfoot, I literally would think that they were there's no way anything like this could exist because we'd have found bodies by now, why aren't they have to have a breeding population? There needs to be evidence is something like this. So none of the ever made since. And then all dull. More and more, I've. Listened to a podcast more and more, I've watched shows and everything else, and now it's like I could, okay, I can see where there'd be something out there living around with just they don't want to talk about it. But now it's almost even to the extent like it's no longer a flesh and blood things. We've left that whole thing in the past. Now most people are wanting to go on the loose side. And it's an intermensional bean. I know that's that's funny because I was that. I was always interested in big but what as a kid and it was just an ape man to me. Then more and more I learned about it. Then it has all these powers and things, and people say that they can talk to it u telopathically and stuff like that it would disappear and go through portals or the dimensions. Yeah, and Uh. I have a friend, he's astronomer at the University of Why. I mean he he's a big footer too, So I tell them my stories. It didn't think why the world would bigfoot come up to my trailer and start speaking to me? I don't know why. You know, he goes out on these expeditions looking for bigfoot and he's seen signs the big foot in US. So one run ran past and once. But you know he's signed to so he just wonders why my experiences I don't. I have going out in the forest looking for it, but I never have seen anything. Just came up to me. I supposedly came up to a trailer and shell loone three here in New Mexico. So yeah, it's a very curious thing. They seem to be associated with their normal things too. With a lot of people say that there's always controversy of big quick clubs. Are we going to keep it uh allow stuff like that we talked about, or we're gonna keep it a van eight So our club with the one I blocked to you, we have it both ways. Yeah, I'm gonna say when it comes to bigfoot or any type of crypti or anything honestly, paranormal alien whatever. There are no experts, and I get so annoyed by people that want to come out there saying that this is how it is, because really, because there's no physical proof that anyone can prove to anybody that these things are even real. So can you sit there and call yourself an expert? I know it's funny they do. That's that's ridiculous. When I hear someone call themselves an expert. And I've told this to other people too. It was like when someone says that, hey, I'm an expert in this field or whatever. Like, you might be an expert in a certain field, but you cannot say you're an expert on a specific type of creature UFO, anything like that, because there's no such thing as experts on something that again has no scientific proof to exist. Yeah, you're an expert in your own opinions, that's basically it. I mean, you can call yourself researcher, but that's even stressing it. The experience has happened to you mainly more than make them happen. Just you, just by luck their circumstance, come across these creatures, and sometimes you put yourself in a possising where you can come and contact with the vault. There's people that look for them for years and never seen anything, and then those people that see them all time. There's people that supposedly go out now all the time and for whatever reason, they end up having encounters. And then you have people that have searched for these things for years upon years and they don't get anything. Yeah, I know that's work. That's my other struggle from my perspective, because again, I always try and keep things I've said so many times of I'm very skeptical to a lot of things. So I try and write everything off that I can logically until I can't write it off anymore. And then I'm like, Okay, I'm open to excepting that it's some something different, and I think everyone should be that way. But yeah, well, I'm as a philosophy major in college, so I'm all about skeptics. I always been interested in science, and I would rather have a great scientific discovery than see a bunch of aliens and big Foot. Actually, Lisa, right. No, But for me, it's like when someone says they keep seeing Bigfoot and they keep doing all these things, and they keep going out there and they had these encounters with bigfoot, but then they don't have proof of it. And then when you ask, well how come you didn't get any photos? Well, they know that. They can know what you're doing with your phone. They know what that is. Oh they can't. You can't put a game trail out there because they know what that is. Okay, well, how do they know what all this stuff is? People say they have Sasquatch. It comes up to their houses all the time. Some people, I've heard another podcasts, they bring their children up there, like their Sasquatch kids a running around the back. No one's fact prove any of that, because all we can't take photos of that. Well why yeah, they're supposed to be very smart, but why they run in front of the cars. Oh it's not, I'm like dumb, dear or whatever. There's just there's so many things out there that it's really hard to buy into someone like, do I believe there's something out there? One? I believe there is something strange out there. Yeah. I can't one hundred percent back up everything that someone says, because again, when you have people that say, I don't know what the guy's name is, but he literally had recordings and he says that the recordings and he translates is to that Sasquatch talk about Trump being their president and that's what they would vote for. I was like, what, Yeah, really, when you're posting stuff online like this and people buy into it, I'm like, how can people honestly take all this stuff seriously? All that does is, to me is put bad taste in anyone's mouth that's already on the skeptical side, because when you hear stuff like that, you're going to like, well, these people are really are crazy. So like again, all it does harm the communities, and then there's so much inner fighting and everything between each community and this and that, like it's I don't know, they get it becomes a ship show. Yeah. Yeah. I heard back from a lot of people that Bigfoot community to quote community to very dysfunctional. It's less just people list see it their way and they they get all bent out of shape. You don't see it their way like that? How yeah, how would they know? Like you say, they're so experts. It's just people have their opinions and they've done their research. And I'm happy that someone's out there doing it all. But until there's physical proof of something, like everyone can do everything that they want. You're never going to change the common person's stance on these strange topics with no theories. No no way, and scientists are they just seem as ferries the same legis ferries and nic farms, but I don't know those. There are two skeptical. I'm kind of I don't agree with that, but people are great credulous. I just believe anything that gets me mm hmm. Yeah. So I am very skeptical to an extent, but I'm also open minded because anymore, when I hear things, I'm like, well they wouldn't surprise me. Ye have all the weird things that go on anymore, nothing shocks me at this point. Like again, I still try and take the stance of until it can be proven. I'm not going to dive in there and say you're one hundred percent correct. But like when there's a lot of weird things to go on in the world today, it's just like, okay, well it makes sense to me. On So anyone that ever comes on my show, like I've said before, I'm not going to say that I believe them. I don't believe them, because that's not really what the show's about. It's literally I'm giving a platform for a one to come on here and talk about it. So, yeah, that's great, Let you do that. Yeah. Yeah, I talked to one moment about my experiences. She believed in the ghosts one, but she didn't believe in the check in the cereal box story. That was too far out for her. Yeah, everyone has their limits. I guess, Yeah, well, what's believable and you know, you know, ghosts or the dead or whatever. My personal opinion is, I don't think that spirits that are around here are the spirits of dead people. It might be other energies or whatever, but I don't think ghost or just haunting. I think there might be residual energies or whatever, but I don't think a spirit's just haunting around screwing around with people. I think there's Yeah, I've said before, I think ghosts are from a different plane of existence, like a different reality, a different dimension or something, and they kind of just bleed into our world, right. But yeah, I'm not an expert, so I'm not telling anyone that's what it is because I don't have a clue. That's just my own opinion and my opinion means nothing, right. Yeah, I'm also an author. I've written a book and got a buz thos. What's your book called heroic Again? It's a series of you know what aphorisms are? No, I don't goes off those statements. It's just five hundred pages long, but it's it's just short state but it deals with all sorts of things from what it's called social my autobiographal people. But it's very good books. So I hope that those. Where can for anyone out there listening, where can they find your book? Cup Amazon? It's on kindle and paperback. Okay, if you want to send me a link to it, I can include a lot in the show notes for you. Okay, that's why I walked in. Yeah, well, Steven, is there anything else you'd like to discuss or you want to wrap this one up? I guess we had a pretty good discussion. Yeah. Well, I definitely appreciate have you on here tonight. It's been a pleasure. Yes, I I don't know how you found out about me, but I'm glad you did. I think you actually reached out to me. Oh really, you reached out to me over on Facebook. That's oh yeah. Facebook. That's how everyone has been contacting me lately, is either the remail, but a lot of them since I made that Brandon Tinfoil tells Facebook account of everyone's been contacting me on there. Oh yeah, yeah, I think that was what I was. I made a post a while back, a couple of months ago, about gonna be doing some scheduling or whatever, and I had like almost sixty people reach out to me, so I got booked up really quickly. But you were one of the ones I think that reached out. Yeah that's cool, all right. Yeah, yeah, you won award, didn't you a little while ago? Oh yeah, I won Best Paranormal Podcast and Best Artwork for Podcast at the pop Con Awards. Well that's cool. Yeah. I don't usually win anything. I don't really talk about it because I don't want to. I'm not that guy. No, No, you don't seem to be bragging about it now. It's I try and keep everything levelheaded. I cool things happen like that's awesome. I might share it on Facebook or whatever. I don't go around like throwing in everyone's face because it's not what I doing. The only reason I even said anything on Facebook to be one hundred percent honest, was to control people because I've had a lot of negativity when people out there too, So instead of getting upset about it, I just be like, look, sometimes I like to poke that perverbial finger at somebody. Yeah right, yeah, I could see that young the public. Yeah, when you start dealing with stuff out in the public, there's always going to be detractors and always going to be haters, and always going to be someone having something to say. And it comes with the territory. I used to do music for twenty years, so I'm used to having so it doesn't bother me. It's oh yeah, wow, so okay, yeah sure, yeah. Well Steven again, it's been my player here having you on here tonight talking with me. Yeah, it's been my pleasure too. If anything ever happens again, reach out and get some set up. But again I will include whatever information you send me in the show notes for anyone out there listening, if you want to check out Steven's book, it'll be all in there for you. But I think now we're going to head on out. So again, thanks to Steven, and thanks for everyone out there listening. Good night, and that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for future episod and just remember the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone seems thought. Sounds and the headphones. Yeah, it's turn to rock. Got a story about a cryptic creature. 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