Ep. 128: Midwest Lights & The Cosmic Visitor

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. It don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I am your host, Brandon Wright. On tonight's episode, we're gonna be joined by my first in studio guest, my friend Mike. I've known Mike since probably around the year two thousands, almost twenty five years. We went to school together, been in a couple of bands together, kind of lost touch over the years, as most people do when they grow up, but very recently we've kind of been talking back and forth and he had some experiences that he would like to talk about, so he will be the first guest in my new studio. But before we dive into that, you've ever had an experience and you would like to be on an episode of Tenfoiltels, there's a few things you can do. You can either go to tenfoiltel dot com and go to the contact section, or you can send an email to tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com. Either way we'll work. So just make sure to reach out, get a message to me and we will get it's something schedule for a future episode. If you would like to help the podcast out, I ask you to please share it around wherever you listen to tenfoil tels at just share it. If you listen on YouTube, you can share the video. Doesn't matter to me. 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He is the first guest I've had in this new studio, so kind of breaking it in here today. So Mike, thanks for coming here talking with me. Hey, no problem. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? Uh yeah, yeah, my name is uh Mike. As Brandon said, we've known each other over twenty years. I'd imagine, I think, yeah, something like that. Professionally, I I work for a landscaping company, you know, long hours, ten or twelve hours a day. Man, That's that's all I do right now, Yeah, because I sleep afterwards, you know, I get up at five am every day, right and go to work. I mean that all changes in the wintertime, right, you know. Right now, it's it's tiring. You're not one that's been involved in any of like the strange, weird paranormal stuff like this isn't something that happens to you all the time or anything like that. So for me, like I'm just trying to explain a little bit here for the audience, Like basically, you're not the type of person that comes around and says. You have this happened to you, This happened to you, This happened to you like that. This is not you, Like you're not a no, you're not come on here just. To like I don't make stories up, right, It's just you know, I'm not scared to tell the truth of what happens either though, because I don't really give a shit what people think, right you know. But yeah, I know I've never been one to make up stories that you know, didn't didn't happen. Yeah, it was. Definitely, Uh, it was definitely. It. It changes the way you look at things when when weird stuff. Like that happens. Yeah, definitely. Would you like to dive on into it or do you want to give a little bit of a background into it before him? Uh? I mean it's it's a series of regrants that happened. So I guess maybe a little bit of background might might be needed, not a lot, but a little bit. So the the first time this chair squeaky the first time, Uh. Don't trust that chair. I'll be getting a new one out here. So the first time something weird happened to me, it was, uh, I was I want to say twenty twenty, actually yeah, twenty uh, And I was in a town called Jerome. I think you know, you know the town talking about the haunted cemetery. Apparently I've actually talked about it on here once or twice. I think, yeah, I've been there a few times. I think I've been there with you. But my my sisters used to live out there, and I was out there driving around with a friend of mine. It was a mutual friend between me and my sisters. And uh, it was probably like two am and I looked up and I saw what looked like an airplane I guess would be the easiest. That's about how fast it was moving. And ith I was like, oh yeah, cool. You know that's weird though, because there's no flash. There's like no flashing light. It's just one light. Like what that's a I've never seen an airplane look like that. But as I was looking at it and you know, thinking all that, this thing shot off like I watched. Like if if I hadn't seen it but two seconds later than when I seen it, I would have just thought it was like a shooting star, you know, debris breaking up in the atmosphere or whatever. I watched it go from normal speed like an airplane and the nice sky to taken off at I don't just because I don't know what I saw, for lack of a better term, I guess it shot off at light speed. That's what it looked like, you know, like a shooting star, you know, but I watched it, and you know, meteors don't or comments or whatever, they don't change speed like that, not that drastically without any outside intervention, you know, like they're they're not gonna do that. That's not how it works. And you know, I always thought it was. It's pretty much mathematically impossible. In my head that we are alone, you know, like it's just because we can't figure out how to travel somewhere else, you know, without traveling in a straight line for you know, however, long doesn't mean another species can't be smarter than us and figure it out, you know. So that was the first experience. It was it was it was pretty pretty cool, you know, to say the least. But you was just a light that you could see or was yeah, yeah. It wasn't. I've never actually seen like a solid form. It's always been just the light. But the the second time that it happened, it was a light, but it was not even thirty feet in front of me. So if you can imagine light as a solid object is the best way to describe it. So it was a light, but it was right in front of me, you know, it was it was I actually started yelling at when it happened. That's and that's the only time that something happened to me that somebody else was there and actually it happened. So, I mean, we don't really speak anymore, you know, because it's uh an ex girlfriend. But I mean if if you if you were to speak to her, she would tell you maybe not word for word would I say, But I mean she she's seen the UFO or UAP or whatever you want to call it, whatever it was now, Yeah, because I I'm not going to claim to know what they are, you know. I mean it could be government for all I know, because I mean it was right in front of them. I don't think anyone really knows what they are. I mean I think I think somebody has an answer, at least at least for some of them. Maybe not all of them, but I definitely think that somebody has an answer. I think a lot of it is our own stuff. To be honest, and yeah, I would agre with that. I don't want to say that it's not a possibility that there's some other form of life or something out there traveling around. But at the same time, I feel like a lot of the stuff that people are seeing are more or less probably originated from here. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, even even Babozar said that he thinks that a lot of the like the craft that the government has are archaeological find Basically, you know, they dug them up, So. Where did they come from originally? That's the thing that never gets brought up to that I've ever noticed, Like are they saying they're not from here or were they something like an ancient technology that they've uncovered. I bet it's I bet it's a little bit of both. But ancient technology makes a lot of sense to me for a lot of it. If you have the ancient technologies, and then that just means civilization was a lot more advance back in the day than what they are now, which I believe to an extent anyways, because you have the stuff like the Pyramids, the Sphinx, all the things that have been made too. Yeah, all those things that have been made that ancient aliens isn't made to popularize. I mean, if you do, if you do a little bit of dig in, you can you know, I mean, and you've got to read between the lines. You can't just you know, go diving in the internet and expect to find everything and you believe it all. You know, Like you got to read between the lines because there's a lot of crazy, crazy theories that and they contradict one another a lot of times. So it's you. Know, there's definitely a lot out there that is false information. A lot of it is pushed on people just to bleed that Faulse narrative for whatever strange reasons that they want. Yeah, I mean they have the proof, they proof that the disinformation is a big, you know, a real big thing to keep us guessing. I guess I think we're a little bit more mature than then they give us credit for, though, because and and I think they know that too, because I think that's where you know, some different disinformation live actually, because I think it's it's not just about oh we might panic, you know, because technology like that, that's like changing the world for the better if they let it come out, you know, And and then they can't line their pockets with you know, whatever energy they're selling that week. Yeah, so you know they had definitely have a an agenda. Yep. You want to go on into the other experience you had? Oh yeah, this is I mean this, I mean it was a short experience. It wasn't it wasn't very it wasn't a very long experience. But it was definitely Oh wait, are you are you talking about the one I was just talking about or the third one? I don't know how many you have that you want? So there's three actually, Okay, so I'll tell the one with me and my ex first before the last one, because the last one is the mm hmm, that's the the crazy one. So me and my ex were in Indianapolis on it was a Sunday, I remember that, and it was I'd say, it's about seven years ago. I'm not good with dates. I'm not good with dates at all. If my birthday wasn't on Christmas Eve, I wouldn't remember it. We were driving and I drove a Mini Man. You know. We were driving northbound on Keystone in Indianapolis. It was about five thirty in the morning, and we were, you know, headed back home, and I remember seeing seeing a helicopter up like to my right, okay, like you know, it was flying in the sky whatever, and it was just here in there, and I was like, well, what the hell it looked It looked funny. You know them old cartoons were the helicopters like looking for the criminal with the spotlight. You know, That's what it looked like. That's exactly what it looked like. It was. It it was weird. And I said, hey, Stephanie, what the hell is that? What the hell is that helicopter doing? And I'll never forget it. She was on her phone, and she looked up and no sooner she looked up this helicopter and quotations here Ah, like swooped down like right in front of us, Like it was like it looked like it was gonna hit Keystone as soon. It was this whole experience with maybe about I don't know, ten seconds, and that's being generous. I don't even think it was that long, probably, but uh, it swooped down like it was going to smash into Keystone and then swooped back up. And you know, this is literally like right in front of us. There's not a there is never a day in Indianapolis where there's no traffic there. It's it is, it's it's a pain in the I mean, I don't wanna, I don't wanna you know, take away from you know, California traffic or something nothing, But uh, it's. A growing up in a small town like we did. It's a lot different. Yeah, yeah, Indianapolis. There's never except on Sunday mornings. That is literally the only time where you're not going to be you know, back to back, you know, a bumper bumper traffic. It sucks, But we are the only car on Keystone at the moment, at five thirty in the morning on Sunday, the only car this thing swoops down in front of us and then like jumps back up into the sky and like turns to the right a little bit, like from its perspective, not from from mine, I guess, from its perspective, I don't know. But it wasn't any when when I saw it, it wasn't any bigger than my vehicle. It was, but it was like a ball of light. Can you still hear me? Yeah, okay, it cut out on mine think, but it was like a ball of light, you know. Uh, that's it if if you can just if you think of light as a solid object, you know, that's what it was. It was. It was. It was pretty cool, wasn't uh. Like so it started as like a normal light ball color kind of you know, but when it when it shot down in front of us and then went back up to take off, dude, it it turned like, uh, I want to say like that it was like brightish orange. It was like reddish, brightish orange, and it like you see it take off, and as it's taken off, it looks like it's cloaking, like you know, this last second of this experience that happened. It looked like it was cloaking, you know, because I seen it and then I see a little tiny dot like a thousandth the size of what I originally see, and it's just gone. You know, I'm like, oh that was I started, honestly, I'm not gonna lie my ex her jaw was dropped and I started screaming, I'm out. I'm oh my god, oh my god, I'm I was freaking out because at this point, you know, I'm I'm I've already went down the rabbit hole. Rabbit hole, you know, like I I'm I'm committed to trying to figure out what's actually going on, and I know I never never will most likely know exactly what's going on. But you know, when you you see something like that, you want to know what the hell it is, right, Yeah, that's that's just Uh. I would say that ninety five percent of people would would feel the same way. But so it took me probably a year to even realize what had happened, you know, because I thought it put like this cloaking device or whatever whatever you want to call it on and but no, what had happened. I was telling a buddy of mine that I worked with. He was actually on UFO Hunters when they came to Kocomo. If you remember that, I was telling him about it, and uh, he was like, oh, yeah, I shot off at light speed, huh. And that that's that's when it clicked that it wasn't cloaking. It just it just shot off so fast that I seen it in two places at once, is what I mean. For what it looked like. You know, it was like, you know, in the sky, and then directly in front of it, I see a tiny little dot, you know, like almost like in the movies. It's weird to say that, but. Do you think the thing in front of it was a separate object and the light behind it was something chasing it, or if it was just giving off the light behind it that was his propulsion. I mean, I didn't see any propulsion, is the thing, unless unless that that orange color that it made. But yeah, there was no propulsion. There was no sound, and it wasn't any bigger than my minivan. But no, it didn't look like it was. It looked like it was maybe I guess maybe it's very I don't want to act like I know what they were doing, you know, because and I've always said, like, I don't even know if it was I don't know if it was aliens or you know, I have no idea. It's I just know what I seen, and what it looked like was that it looked like that object shot off at light speed or cloaked itself the you know, I I go out, I would say that it probably shot off at what looked like to me as light speed. That's why I looked like it was in two places at once. For like I don't know, a half a second, I'm wondering. If maybe it wasn't, if that makes any sense. I know it sounds strange, but like maybe that is how it travels. Like it doesn't travel like normal propulsions or whatever. Maybe it actually like I don't know how to make it, like it's jumping. Yeah, it goes from one spot to the next spot to the next spot, like it's not traveling in between. It's almost like, right, it went through like a portal, kind of right almost. I just wasn't able to see the portal, so it looked like it was in two places at once, But really it was just Yeah, I thought I've thought that too, Actually, it's funny that you say that. Yeah, I was thinking like maybe it just has the way of opening up that portal to where it goes here, almost like you take a piece of paper, you put a dot here and a dot there, and you fold the paper and the dots come together. Now when when I when I said that to my ex about, uh, like, what the hell is that helicopter doing? And she looked up it when it come down it it was almost like it it was acknowledging that it knew that we seen it, Like it couldn't have been more than twenty or thirty feet in front of us, and there was no I didn't I mean, like I said, like light as a solid object. There was no metal that I saw. I'm sure there is something underneath the light, you know, but there at what we could see, there was nothing. It's funny that you mentioned it that because there are people that communicate with these things, and I believe it's they call it C five. And there's that doctor Stephen Greer. Yeah, I like him, well a little information about him. I'm not saying he's wrong or anything like that. I'd actually don't have a chance to talk to the guy, but I know he charges people at least ten thousand dollars to come out there. Yeah, No, I don't know that. There's a lot of things that I'll listen to that I don't necessarily believe, you know, like Flatter, for instance, I don't. I don't believe that is flatter. I don't. I don't think the aliens are demons, you know, I don't. I think they're just like people basically. You know, some are good, some are bad. Who knows, you know. I've always just been leary when someone charges a lot of money. Yep, I agree with that. Actually it makes you wonder what the modus really are if you're charging people thousands of bond dollars to come out there and experience something like are you actually according your knowledge just to benefit like which? Yeah, because I remember he said something about they were real close to making zero point energy like a and giving it to the public. And this is probably ten years ago, you know, So where's it at right? Like, you know, the government has it, they just won't give it to us. There's a lot of stuff out there that it could benefit humanity, and I believe if that technology is out there, we will never see it at least not for another fifty years from now. Right, you know, they're they're way ahead of you know, and who knows exactly except for the people that actually get to use the technology. But they're way ahead of what they tell us. I guarantee it. That's why I feel like a lot of these UAPs and everything that they're talking about now are more own things like the tic TAC stuff. They found them true. They can't really hide it. It's I mean, I've I've seen it, you know, firsthand. It's when they're when they're popping up in front of you, you know who you're. You can't tell me that I didn't see it, because I did. I you know, I know what I saw it was. I well, I don't I say I know what. I know what my eyes you know, you saw. I know I saw something. I don't know what it was, but you know I know that I, you know, never had I don't have a history of hallucinating. You know, I don't believe that people. I don't know how to word this correctly. I don't believe that people hallucinate in the sense of they see things like that. Right, Like, even if someone was did some sort of hallucinogenic drug. I know people that mess with d MT they claim that as what when they experience talking to I think that's real, different beings and everything. Like, I don't know if it's because they've trapped into some sort of part of their brain or like they claim it's a hallucination it's not real, because it's who's to say that, maybe this hallucination isn't a hallucination and maybe they're actually communicating with something from beyond the realm that we can't understand because our brains have been completely dumbed down to not be able to use what was there originally. Right, I mean, it's it's definitely there. We are. We release it every every night you sleep. You know that. I don't. I don't see an issue with with UH using hose enogenic drugs spiritually, you know, it's it's not like getting high. It's a completely different, you know, journey there. It's not like getting high. I know there are people out there that would frown upon that just because of the context of it. But I understand, like a lot of religions not yeah, oh yeah. We're from America, so the most common religion here is Christianity and anyone that does stuff like that, you're either of doing the doubles. Let us everything. Everything's like evil. And you know, we're surrounded by like recreational states, and we'll be it will be the last ones. Yeah, that's that's neither here nor there. It's where the Indiana the very backwards when it comes to certain things. Yes, yes, we grow up here, yep. But no when it comes to this country in general, though for the most part, we've been very restrictive on religious type aspects. Like this country was founded on the Christianity beliefs, and for whatever reason, partaking and things like that is usually very frowned upon. Yep, and it probably always will be because I mean propaganda, you know. Yes, do you remember in school them bring in a briefcase. Did you go to the same elementary school? I did? No? No, okay, well they brought a briefcase in first grade. They brought a briefcase filled with illicit substances and showed us all what they were. Very strange for first grade. Yeah, in first grade. No, my kids go to the same school now, but I don't think they do that anymore. No, they don't. And times are a lot different in the in the early nineties to whatever the hell year where there in right now? I guess twenty twenty four. Some people I want to argue about that. I don't know. That's a That's a topic I might discuss sometime on another Critical Conspiracies episode. But people do not believe we're in really in twenty twenty four. I mean, it depends on which calendar you follow. There's so many different calendars, Like the Chinese calendar is different. I think there's a Jewish calendar that's different. There's we're just falling under whatever calendar that we fell under, the old Roman calendar, I. Think something like that, like there's the Gregorian or I don't know that. I know there's a bunch and I don't. I don't necessarily think we're in. It depends on how you look at it, like because I think there's been several civilizations on the planet. Myself, I don't think we're the first intelligent life here. No, there's if if there was, I think it's either already gone or we're the remnants of it, and they've let us be dumbed down because they they saw how they turned out. Maybe they had different RUPs for us. I don't know. We're scary. When we're smart, we blow shit up. That tends to be what happens. Now we're getting back to that same thing, which I thought was funny when you start looking back at these UFO encounters and experiences with people, they really upticked after World War Two. Yeah, yep. The nukes man the nukes. They they wanted to shut them down, I guess. I mean, and there's there's stories from American and Russian bases and German you know of I mean the Germans didn't have nukes. Are they probably used them? But uh? Did they? Did they have nukes? No? But I think they were working on something similar. Yeah, because we took their scientists to build the nukes. Yeah. I believe they're scientists for Project paper Clip. Yeah yeah, yep. The guy that's started NASA. Yeah it was Warner Vaughan whatever Braun. Yeah, it was a Nazi scientist. Yeah, yep, like like Buddies with Hitler type scientists like and yep, he's just American now. And then created NASA, the great uh yeah, the great thing that we still have today, which. Yeah, airbrushed pictures for the public. I don't care what anyone says when people like to argue about it, but I always bring this up. I do not believe we milanded on the moon in nineteen sixty nine. Uh okay, So I think that we've been to the moon, but I don't think. I don't think they showed it to us because the the and and I don't like arguing about it with people because you try to show him, like, look, dude, the scientist or this astronaut got lifted up by cords. You can clearly see, you know, like if you if you go back and like check, like you can clearly see in the video that it's like that. It's in no way like and why it wasn't the flag blowing in the wind as. I've seen, that was just because of zero Grabby and the way they were moving and it was picking up rock. Weird, that doesn't make sense. There were so many like random plot holes when it comes to that that doesn't make any sort of sense, Like the shadows don't make any sort of sense. Like the right, I don't think. I don't I don't think that we've I think we've been there. I don't think they wanted us to see exactly what it is. How did they do a live stream from the moon was what I'm trying to figure. They didn't have the satellite technology at the time, but yeah, they made a phone call to the president from the moon and it was like on camera you could see him talking on the camp Like, Yeah, that didn't make any sort of sense. That did not exist back in nineteen sixty nine. And the fact that in nineteen seventy two they decided to destroy all the technology. Yeah, yeah, we can't go to the moon now twenty four for some reason. They figured it out in the nineteen sixties. And look how much smarter we are today. Look look what we're doing right now, and we seem smarter. I wouldn't necessarily say. We are, but I mean technology wise, Yeah, on a technological scale, there's more technology in these smartphones that we have rather than what they took to the moon on the state tho. Yeah, so they can't figure out how to get back to the moon, but yet they can figure out all these yeah crazy things. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Well, they that There is one reason why I like teeter back and forth about it is like the Van Allen radiation belt. You know, it's like, how did they get past it. If we can't go past it, then how did they get past it? And they and they didn't destroy no technology. They they either didn't have it and I'm wrong, and they didn't go to the moon, or they can't. They don't. There's a reason why they can't go back. Like, uh, maybe they didn't like what they found on the Moon. Well they do. I've had people yell at me about the Moon being hollow, and the thing is is, I'm only going by what NASA said. They didn't come out and say, oh, it's hollow. But then again they did, you know, like they're like, oh, it rang like a bell. We put three seismographs on the surface, and when we crashed something into it, it rang like a bell for like an hour. M hm. You know that's weird, and it's it's in a perfect place. We can't it's the only I believe it's the only moon in our whole solar system that's title. Locked like that. Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent, certainly, I'm not. I know there's a lot of other moons, especially around Saturn. Jupiter has a lie I think too. Yeah, I know they believe Europa. I think that's one of Saturn's moons. Yeah, Europe is so cool. It's it just expands, and I think there's life there. I mean, whether it be intelligent, you know, probably not, but I do believe that there could be life there. I have heard that there are under the ice, there's an ocean, and I've heard there are things under there that are super intelligent. And at least like dolphins. Right, they're eel like the best way they describe them over like their eels, but they were very intelligent, like they're telepathically communicative intelligence. Well, I mean, I mean, dolphins aren't telepathic that we know of, but they're very smart. Yeah, they use. The echolocation echolocation so to wells and bats, and yeah, it's strange how the certain species evolved completely differently, but they use the same sort of I guess senses or whatever capabilities. Yeah, yeah, they're supposed to be on a completely different spectrum. But see, that's I don't I don't think that we necessarily came from here because we're the only species on the whole planet that, like our sun is poisonous to basically, Yeah, I mean that might be a little bit of an exaggeration. But. Our son supposed they can give you cancer. Right, I don't. I guess. I guess. I've seen some dogs get cancer, but never skin cancer. I think a lot of the dudes with cancer that we have is self inflicted. I think it's a lot of the stuff that we put in our body. I honestly think it was designed that way. But I'm a. I'm a ten foil hat guy over here. So yeah, but they see they I'm I feel the same way. Like the process for you know, there's America is the worst about it. There. There's countries that have made certain like food additives illegal m hm, and we're still and there's a they have good reason to do so, and but we're still. And yeah, you could go through and read all the ingredients of your food, but who wants to do that, right? And I just want to eat it. I'm not trying to read it. I don't worry about it at this point because I enjoy what I enjoy and I'm already at pick eater. So if I start trying to weed out certain things, which I will say, four years ago, I stopped drinking these pop soda whatever. Depending on what part of the country you're in, it's either soda. It's a pop, it's a coke. Are you using it over there? Like somebody somebody that tries to quit smoking and they held a cigarette. You just caught the pop next to you so that you can. But no, I I gave that up. I started counting calories. I did a lot of protein stuff, and I dropped down to one hundred and ninety pounds and I was over two twenty. So I dropped thirty pounds in a matter of two months. No, you look good, buddy, You're too bad. Now I've racked that weight back up. I'm back to being right around two twenty. I'm about to eight or something. I wish I could go back to what I used to be, but then I looked too scrawny. Well, my lady makes it too easy to be happy. No, I just like food. Yeah, yeah, and hurt. So we live with her sister, right and uh, you know, it's a it's a decent size house. It's a nice house. Uh. And her sister is like a like a chef level cook, and it is fantastic. It is a wonderful thing because I love to cook. I'm pretty good at it. You know, when I'm cooking, what I want to cook, and I never have to cook, and it's great. I don't do a whole lot of cooking here. I might make myself something here, or if my wife is not home one night, I will have to make dinner for us and the kids. But usually it's not anything extravagant. Some of the things that I would like to cook, no one here likes. Like I've been wanting to make beef stew for a long time, and no one here. Likes that beef stew. Beef is delicious, That's what I say, but they don't like it. Uh, so you want to hear about I guess it would be considered the the kudoo grass? Is that how you say that? Cuda grass? Coop de gras? Yep, what we're here for. Right, right, So this happened. It was about i'd say ten years ago. Like I said, I'm not I'm not good with dates. So it was before the. Yeah, actually it was. It's just, uh what happened here was you know, I was building up. It would have been weird to go from the one to the other and then back to and then to the one again to the next one, because it's it's all three experiences were profound. Is that the right Is that the right word profound? So, you know, life changing. Like, I'm not an atheist anymore. I don't know really what that has to do if one has anything to do with the other. But I'm not you know, I'm not a Christian either, but you know, I believe in in a higher power. So it was like ten thirty at night. And this happened in uh, Howard County. Like a lot of stuff happened in Howard County. We had a we had a UFO crash, what sixteen years ago and something like that. Yeah, yeah, it was sixteen years ago because I was in Oregon when it happened. Uh, So I was headed to my mom's house. I was, uh, you know, I was kind of broke at the time, so I was borrowing a little money off of her. So I was on my way out there. It was like ten thirty at night, and of course I was by myself, and uh, I'm driving. You know, it's in the middle of the country. The corn is up. That that that matters, you know, that's relevant to the story. The corn was up, you know, because I'm out the middle of the country, and uh, I remember thinking to myself like, oh, yeah, I got brights, you know, because I always had cars. I don't know if you if the kids understand this, but we used to get cars and would not have brights. Yeah, they just would. You wouldn't have brights. You turn them on and they wouldn't work, or they just wouldn't. It wouldn't matter, you know, you could leave them on driving in the middle of town. Nobody would care. So I remember thinking to myself like, oh, I got brights, you know, like I finally I had just bought this car, and I flipped them on. And as soon as I flicked them on, I see something, you know, about four foot tall step out of the cornfield. Ah, my bright's hits thighs and its eyes they glowed red like I of you know it was. And but as I drove by it, we you know, I make eye contact with this thing. You know, I only saw it for you know, I was going forty five mile an hour. You know, it was standing still, so I only saw it for a second or two. But as it jumped stepped out of the cornfield and seemed that I was driving by, it jumped back into the cornfield, you know, so it was like, oh, oh no, somebody, you know, there's a car I could I could take you to the exact spot. Do you have to think it could have been a person? Okay, So I've spent ah a while trying to debunk myself. I guess is the best way of putting it. I've done the same thing for seventeen years. Right, you know, like there's no way what I saw was what I saw. Like that's nuts, you know, there's no way even though I believe in all these things, like you know, because you hear you hear people talk about it, like how come you get to have all these experiences? But I don't get to have any you know, like I don't believe in aliens. You know they did. I don't get to see UFOs and and and Gray's walking through cornfields, Like why don't these happen to me? It's it's weird that all that these experiences even happened. I guess. H But human eyes don't glow red, you know that, right? Ah, there's there's not a light like a human eye won't glow red unless it's in a. Picture photos like the old polaroid photos. Yeah, people's eyes were always reflective red a picture. A picture could make your eyes glow red, but that's it. Uh, lights won't reflect red off for humans. And you know, like I tried to convince myself like that was a Was that a rabid raccoon standing up like it was awfully large? Four foot tall? Was that it was? It couldn't have been a deer. You know, deer don't jump back into the cornfield. If you scare a deer while you're driving by it, it's running out in front of you. Now, no one in here can see the obvious of listening. But did it have this appearance? He more or less? I I mean, I hate it. I hate to sound cliche man, but it was a great dude, it was exactly How have you ever seen? It's a movie. It's it's it's like a found footage. It's called the McPherson documentary or something. I think I think that's what it was called. Heard of it? Okay, so not a lot of people have seen it, but uh, a guy made a a hoax movie after, like modeled after that found footage, and it looks it's very convincing. Actually, I'm not saying it's real one way or the other, but there's two different movies, and you can tell which one seems real and which one doesn't. But there's there's you know, four and a four three and a half four foot tall gray aliens. You know, they're little I don't know, they're little onesies. I don't know what else to call it. You know, skin tight didn't didn't look like there was a sex there didn't. I don't know. When I got to my mom's I was scared to get out of the car. And I mean, you know me, I don't scare easily, you know, like it's it takes a lot to scare me. And I was scared to get out of the car and go up to because it was only a three minute drive from my mom's house where this happened to this day, I mean, she still lives in the same spot at uh. It was uh terrifying actually, you know. And I always I always told people like, yeah, I'm gonna be if if I see an alien. You know, I'm that guy that's like, oh, come on a duckby uh. An antal probe is a small price to pay for disclosure. So you're one hundred percent certain if it was anything you think it was a gray, because I believe that there are other things that look similar to that. Okay, so no, I don't I know it looked like a gray. It could have say a riticulate, you know, I don't know it could I know that there's supposedly several species that look about the same, Like even the tall whites. Still they just look like a tall version of the grays apparently. So, uh, what I was going to go to, like avoiding the whole alien concept. I mean, it'd still be considered an alien and to the extent, but more of the cryptid realm. A lot of people have seen what they call pale crawlers. And if you remember the thing, I think it's from the sixties or seventies, the Dover Demon. That one sounds familiar. That's to me. It always sounded like the same thing. It had like a bulbous head, had longer type fingers and arms and everything else. It was almost like a crawler, like they seen it crawling. Well, if you listen to the stories of these pale crawlers and a. Lot of people they're talking about like the Rake. The Rake is actually a creepypasta, but it's based off of yeah, a skit like the pale crawlers stories and I. Seeing videos that look pretty convincing. If you go into the actual original lore of the window goes. The bastardized versions with the antlers and everything else, those are not what the windo Go actually is. A wind to Go is a very pale humanoids almost I always kind of like think almost like a rotting corpse type of a person, almost like a zombie, but not a zombie. But they ate their and they ate their lips off because they had this sensationable hunger. But that was what the Native American lore was for these window Gowes. They were like tall, skinny, like very spiny looking spiritual things. They weren't necessarily like full on right humans or whatever, but they were like a spirit version of a human because they had to I think in order to become one, they had to kill someone in their family. That might have been confusing that with like the whole Navajo loar for the skin water. Well, I think they I think the Native Americans know a lot more than we give them credit for. One hundred percent agree with them. They've been here a lot longer than we have, so, you know, but. Even with other sightings like I have other episodes out there where I talk with people and they've seen similar looking things, like they these small human orders looking entities, and they almost sound like gray aliens. But at the same time they're not, because there's little things different about because even like what's up here on the wall, right, obviously, the Kentucky Goblins were considered almost an alien thing when you originally hear the story, which is basically they'd saw this craft and they saw this the house was attacked by these little things like little a little alien goblins. Yeah, and then we turned into the old Kentucky goblin thing. It's do you remember when I got the goblin tattoo? Not particularly it was in your kitchen. I thought it was a drum. I got that too, I got I got Okay, Yeah, but that's what that kind of reminds me of. All of those were drawn by a local person, So I like them. Yeah, they're awesome. Uh No, I don't. I don't want to pretend that I know what it was. Well, you know, I have no idea. It could have been one of several different things. I'm just if it's an alien to me, like if it's a great wine and the hell's a walking out of a cornfield. Right well there was there is a house like right there, So. Uh, have you ever thought about going to the house and asking the people if they've ever seen anything strange? Every day of my life? But it's I don't know if you know this. I'm going to assume you do, but uh, most people don't want to talk about. The weird stuff. Weird stuff, yeah, like I've been, you know, because I'm not gonna make I'm not gonna lie to people and be like, hey, I've never seen anything, you know, when I have no matter, even if it does make me look a little weird, you know, I don't mind so for. The people listening, And I don't want to take Mike's time and turn it into something about myself. But when I had my weird experience with the upright walking caneining down the road, you guys are one of the first people I had said anything to because I think we had like band practice, like the next day after it happened. I do remember, and I'm like, I have no idea what the hell I was. And there's people that live there now. They just build a brand new house like a year and a half ago, right in the same exact spot where this happened. So I'm like, kind of interesting. Do you want to go knock on their door and be like, hey, check it out. I saw a dog. Man knock on the door house and be like, you don't turn into a were wolves or anything? Do you? You're not a were wolf? See. I think that's where the lore of the werewolf comes from, because I believe like the Michigan dog man, I think they're real. And uh, I think a lot of that stuff is Sasquatch. I believe in Sasquatch. I believe people are seeing something because I cannot tell someone they didn't see something because I saw something that makes zero sense to me, you know. And and yeah, some of some of the people, like some of the stories are going to be you know, out there and false and made up, and you know, but for every person that's making it up, another one isn't. So it's it's it's just hard, you know it, especially for somebody like me who doesn't. I don't really hold back when it comes to talking about it. I don't understand the point of why people make up the stories in general, because I understand some people might do it because they think it's funny, but at the same time, it's like, what do you get out of it? It's not really funny when there's actual victims, like and I'm not saying I'm one, because I just as far as I know, I've just seen some weird things. But I do believe abduction is real. Maybe not all of it, but a lot of it I do believe is real because I do. I have sleep paralysis. I get sleep paralysis too, and uh, I don't know if you've ever had it, Yeah, I have. It's it's terrifying. I get it actually kind of often. I didn't know what it was up until recently. You could. As I started doing this show, I found out more about it. But like I always used to wake up and I couldn't move, but I just always write it off as so I'm still asleep. Did you ever see a shadow people around? I maybe mentioned this on an episode or two, But the one night I couldn't move and I felt like I was choking and I looked up and above me was what I'd said. I didn't know what this was at the time. I always said as a cowboy, but I'm thinking that it was. Hatening cowboy choking you out. Yeah, there was a hat it shadowy figure above me. That's the hat Man and that's what they call him. Yeah, that's what I said on the hat Man episode. Like, I actually think I had that experience. I was nineteen or twenty years old. I was still living at my parents' house and I woke up the middle night and my throat was burning. I was trying to gasp for it. I couldn't breathe, and above me, it was this cowboy choking me out. And everyone kind of laughed at me when I told him, But like, oh, it is kind of nowadays, like when you traumatic very traumatic now when you hear about it like this's hat Man. I was like, the hell's happening, and then you find out more about it. I'm like, I wonder if that's what happened to me. I've I've woke up to four shadow people like standing around me, and it's it's terrifying every time, like and and you know, I'll I'll try to say like my spouse's name, you know, my old lady's name or or something. It seems like I don't think it's happened, but maybe like one time in the last couple of years. But before that it was like at least once a month. And it wasn't just I couldn't move, it was I felt like there was people around me, like shadow people, you know, because you can't ever make a form. I've seen. I've seen people, I say people and I you know, because for lack of a better term, I've seen. I guess there is a better term. Entities come through my walls people when I was in sleep paralysis. That's why I still get hung up on the sleep paralyss thing is like are we actually still sleeping or uh? They say that, Uh, like your your body's awake, but your mind's still in REM sleep, or your mind's awake but your body's still in REM sleep or something like that. It's just it's strange to me because even dreams, to an extent, depending on how you interpret dreams. I don't remember a lot of my dreams, but that there's certain things about dreams that really stick out. Like today, when I woke up this morning like I was having and I would consider it basically a nightmare. Yeah, but I remember stuff like that. I don't remember everything, but for whatever reason, and the dream that I had today I'm not gonna bring it up because pretty traumatic for me. But like, why do you dream of things? Like why does that stuff stick out? And then sometimes people say that the things that you're dreaming is actually something that you're experiencing in another life, like your mind has traveled to your other self in a different reality, like a multiverse type aspect. I like, I don't know if I believe in all that ass to it, like, but I believe. In a multiverse. I don't. I don't know about the dreams thing is weird because I mean, what about uh lucid dreaming? Does that mean that you're going to a different universe in somebody's life while you're sleeping. They say you actual project n astral travel through the astral plane or whatever. I think it has. I think you do project ash like a natural projection possibly, and you're just I don't know. I mean, it's I think some I do believe in a multiverse, definitely, And I do think there's more than one version of you, of me, you know, of everybody, h in my opinion, and I know, I mean it's pretty much proven, ain't it. Yeah, I don't know. I think they theoretically can prove it, but I don't know if they've ever been able to scientifically prove it. I believe it. I believe in a lot of weird things, like we could be in a simulation. I kind of lean that way more than I do some of the others, because to me, it does seem very simulated. Yeah, yeah, things are weird, especially when you watch which I try not to, but when you see things when it comes to politics or whatever, and like how the world's turning into it, Like, man, this is so like simulating. I think South Park hit it on the head years ago. The Whole Earth was a reality show. I felt like that was one percent of what has actually happened to us. I definitely believe we're sort of experiment. We're the fish bowl here for someone's entertainment, and. I definitely believe that. But yeah, it's weird, uh I that's a kid it because I feel like we could, you know, contribute to whatever is going on, you know, the I don't know if there's so many of us and ninety nine point nine nine percent of us are in the dark and don't know what's going on, m you know, and that's that's all we want, really is just to know what's going on. Uh. I mean, we can take a lot of abuse. We take it every day. I'd say most of us do that every day for our we wake up in the nine to five. For most people, I don't think very many look forward to getting up and doing the whole routine that we do. But that's part of the design that we've got for life. Now, right, And and it's not even about bettering your speed the species anymore. It's just about lying in people's pockets, you know. And and I do love my job, like I don't want to take away from that because I do. I do enjoy what I do, but I would enjoy it much better if I could do it for fun and not have to worry about, you know, the way the way society was designed. People have asked me about this show and if this was something that I would love to do full time, if I could have got to a point to where this became my actual job, And I said no, because you just referred to it as a job. And for me, this is something that I enjoyed doing, right, and the moment it becomes something that I'm dependent upon to sustain my life, I don't want that right. I don't want to have to rely on something to be my quote unquote job, Like this is just what I do. This is something that I do for fun. I go to my job, I have a family. I do all that other stuff too, and this is just my little outlet. Yeah, it's how It's how you express yourself man. Right. I used to do band stuff. I used to do band stuff together. I should still do that, actually. But it's gotten to the point to where difficult. It's a lot easier for me to do what I do now because I don't have to rely on anyone. Else, right, And I would love to be in a band again. I do miss that I do. But at the same time, I also I was doing another show earlier this year and most of last year with my friend, and it was all about band stuff. And it doesn't matter what genre of music you play or whatever you're doing. It's all the same things. Like they're all the same struggles directly, and it's true to me, the reward of doing it is not as beneficial as what I thought it was. Like you're playing live shows, it was the best. There was a lot more stress. It is very stressful, so especially when when drugs are involved or you know, and I know they really weren't so much in your case, but I've seen where drugs get involved in a band, and you know, I don't even want to say it destroyed the band because you know, we had other things happen that were worse than that. But it's hard to practice when you're worried about other things, you know. But in the now, though, I I would love to do it. I drummers are hard to come by. There it's I've got. I've still got like equipment. The equipment I wouldn't have. The stuff that I'm using now is all my equipment for band stuff. Right, Yeah, but it's awesome. You got it. You got it decked out in here. I've had it sitting around for years. I figured may as well utilize it. But we can probably wrap this one up. We've been going on for over an hour. But thank you for having me, No, thank you. You are the I always enjoy hanging out with you. You are my first in studio guest i've had ed has been here on the episode one we recording the garage and Dalton was here in the basement and I was on the basement. But now This is the first actual i've in studio guests for the Cabin that I have converted into a recording studio. I listened to just the other day. Was it the the Native American guy that you had on? I feel like he was Native American, but he was cool. I liked him. I'm not sure which episode that would have been. What was he talking about? I can't remember what he was talking about. I am almost one hundred and thirty episodes deep right now, so I get it gets hard to keep track of which episodes are wide. I go by the episode number or the guest name or something like that, Like. I don't I can't remember his names. Yeah, well, but I had funs. Yeah, it's nice to talk about it with people with open minds. I appreciate you coming on here and talking about it. And we've talked about it off air before. And like I said, and we've been we've known each other for almost twenty five years at this point. Yeah, I would say about I'm shy. Maybe, Yeah. I think it was right around the year two thousands when I may Yeah, sounds about right. It's right around the time. We had a lot of fun we did. We had lots of fun growing up. Well, Mike, I have fun. It's always good seeing you. Yes, and I love you buddy. Yeah, I love you too. Man. On that note, I want to say thanks for listening and I'll catch you on the next one. Thank you, and good night, And. That's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of Tenfoil t Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone seems one. Sounds and the headphones. Yeah, it's turns rock. Got a story about a cryptic creature. Let's take a walk, big foot up. Then they're out there in the talk. But the truth is out there likingly as fuck. 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