Ep. 139: Imaginary Evil

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with that. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. Tonight is a very special Halloween episode, So for anyone out there listening, have a Halloween to you. But we're going to be joined by two guests tonight, Jerry and Emily. Each one has their own separate experiences they want to talk about, so they're going to be split up into two different interviews. But the similarities between them I thought would make a very good episode because they are very similar in some of the circumstances that went on, and it is just overall a very creepy experience in general. So I really thought it would be a good time to do something special for Halloween. So here it is. But before we bring on Jerry first, if you've ever had an experience and you would like to be on an episode of ten Foiltels, there's a couple of things you can do. You can go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section, or you can just send me an email at Tenfoiltales podcast at gmail dot com and we will get somebody's schedule for a future episode. If you'd like to help podcast out be shared a round. 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We had little technical difficulties on my side because for some reason my stuff wasn't working, but I think I've got it figured out so hopefully last through this interview, let's hope. So I will blame it all on the things that we're about to talk about. It seems to be when I talk about specific topics beforehand, I've had electronic equipment issues so and apparently it's not just me. It's happened with other podcasters too, like some of their things just stop working. It's kind of an interesting little phenomena. It's like they want attention, but when you give it to them, that's when they start fucking shut up. Yeah, that does seem to be what I've noticed too. Or when you think that things are good and you say things are good, they come back the next day just to give you the middle finger, just to remind you they're still around. But would you like to let the audience know just a little bit about yourself before we dive into it. Oh yeah, I'm My name is Jerry thirty nine, has turned thirty nine recently. Just average guy, go to work, have a family. But ever since I was a kid, weird stuff has happened, unexplainable things, seeing things, hearing things, witnessing things. And I guess it's what we're going to talk about tonight. Now. Some of the things that you had mentioned to me hit very close to home, and that's what really got me on to talk with you, because for some reason, I have a soft spot for children. And I think it's just being a father, having a daughter, having sons. Like when you hear about things with children, I'm really it bothers me just being like that protective parent figure. I'm just like I want to protect the children. I've always even before I had kids, I've always had a soft spot for kids like and if I always heard something messing the kids or kids being her or something to be kids being afraid, like I want to go beat the shit out of that ghost. Or yeah, I think it's because of the innocence man, right, you know, they don't know anybody, they're young, and as adults or parents, it's our job to protect them. M hm. That is why I feel like for me, that is why I try and be more of a soft spot, I guess for children. And I really I've had someone recently come up to me and, uh, they'd brought their nephew. I was at a convention and he was thirteen years talking about some of the stuff that he's experienced. And I've never had an interview really with a child before, but I would really like to know, like some of the things that people have experienced, especially since like the young grade, and a lot of people might write off like children or whatever, kids, but then they make things up. They don't. I think kids actually don't make a lot of stuff up. And I think what they're telling they're too honest about it. The innocence you talked about, Like they're not making stuff up. It's yeah, they're telling you what they're actually seeing and dealing with and we're our minds just don't. Accept it for that. Well, like I before we started this, like I said, I, you know, kind of grew up watching conspiracy stuff, X files and aliens in Bigfoot and all this stuff. And I had a lot of encounters as a kid, Uh for example, talking to a dead grandfather I'd never met, And when I got older and had asked about it, I had my dad, my mom, and my uncle all in agreeance and all of several times asking, you know, telling me the same story. Yeah, we walked up a hill. I was holding somebody's hand, but nobody was there. And when they come up the hill to find me, I was being pushed on the swing and they I don't remember this, but they told me. You know, they had asked who it was. And I can't remember which side of the family the grandfather was on, or his name, but I had said his name and gave a description of what he looked like and he had been dead for ten years or more and h and that ever since then, you know, But back back on topic, my daughter had started started to uh talk to this invisible person or imaginary friend named Jack, and you know, at first we thought it was okay, you know, she's like three or four. This is what kids do. They have imaginary friends itself. But anything that we had to do for her, we had to do for Jack. And it progressed over well, it was like four, four or five years. It had progressed and got more evident that something was there and she wasn't you. No, it wasn't an imaginary brand. It was something I don't want to say, like a demonic presence or anything, but what it had led up to leads me to believe that it was a demonic presidence. Now, how old was your daughter. At the time when she first started talking. I think she was between two and four, I'll say somewhere in between, maybe three. He has started talking about this, this imaginary friend or whatever named Jack, and so we had we had moved out of the one house we were renting and found a slightly bigger place to rent, and she just kept talking about this dude named Jack. You know, she had Macarnie and cheese. Jack had to have Macarnie cheese. I couldn't sit in a certain sea cause Jack with her, he'd get mad if I sat there. And so like the big climax of the story. You just go ahead and get to it. In between all that, it was, you know, okay, yeah, I can't see her because, like I said, you know, Jack's here. But when we moved to the new place, my wife had heard her in the room talking to somebody, and when she went in the room, nobody was in there, not even my daughter. She was outside playing. And I think it was a couple of nights later she had do the creepy thing where kids come and stare at you while you're sleeping and they get right in your face. And so I woke up. She said, somebody's standing on my bed. I said, okay, we'll climb up in here with us, and we went back to sleep. I didn't think anything of it. And then for the next couple of nights it was somebody's walking up and down my stairs, somebody's standing in my bed, and she would constantly coming there and stare in my face, gove the shit out of me, and uh, kids are good for that, yeah, And it's so damn creepy when they do that. You just you draw back and go to hit because you don't know what the hell it is. But there's There's been a few times where the our oldest son has come into the room. At some point I wake up and he's just watching us sleep. I was like, what are you doing? I can't sleep? I was like, how long have you been standing there? A little creep? He doesn't do it lately, he's kind of grown out of it. When he was younger, he was doing it at all those creek males, like how long have you been standing there just watching us sleep? Yeah, don't do that. Just wake me up, please, don't. Don't. That's a good way to get hit, right, And I really don't want to hit you. You know, I love you, You're my child. I don't want to hurt you. That's not so. I think that this had gone on for a couple of nights before. She had come in and said, you know, somebody's on my bed, somebody's walking up and down my stairs. And the one night I had just woke up, I was in a dead sleep. I woke up and I heard her start to get up and come down like clockwork. And the way the house was set up, man, was you had the small hallway, there was a bathroom in between both rooms, and it was maybe six steps from her room to our bedroom doors, from door to door. Excuse me. So I heard her get up and start walking down the stairs. Woke her up. I sat up in or bed and I was waiting on her. And when she got to her her in the doorway, there was this loud slam, like something had been picked up and just slung across the room, and it scared the shit out of both of us. I started trying to fight the covers to get out of the bed, and she was running towards the art room. And when she had got to our door, I watched her. Yeah, it looked like something had grabbed her by the pants and by the back of the shirt and slung her into our bed. And at this time, she was tiny, and she used to have to climb on the foot rest of the bed and then climb into the bed. Well, this time, I mean it slung her right into the bed, and it woke my wife up. It scared the hell out of all of us. And when I went in the room the next day, she had a keyboard and the keyboard was just busted all the ship, like somebody had just slammed the hell out of it, and it was propped up against the wall, but it was on the other end of the room. The keys for the keyboard where everywhere, buttons where everywhere. And I think after that I had called my dad and was like, Dad, you know, I got some more I need you to bless it so we can go through and bless the house. And it calmed down after that, but it came back with a vengeance when we moved to the new house. And we've seen so much shit in a short amount of time. I can't even I can't even remember what. I think. I had brought some cas skulls I had found into the house. I was trying to make a wind chime out of them, and the activity just it ramped up. After that. I was kind of going through a I guess you could say, like a dark, dark spell or whatever. I was drawing the aphromt and just satanic shit and I listen and really dark music, and we had seen I went to go back to bed one night and we have two dogs, and I saw I thought I saw one of the dogs walk across the door. The TV was on, she was asleep. When I opened the door. The dog's not in there, I know, damn good and well, I saw something with fore legs. The shadow walk across the door from where you see the shadow come under the door from the TV light, and when I opened the door, there wasn't a dog and there both the dogs were my daughter's and my wife was chased through the house by something that looked like me, but it didn't have a face. We've seen blankets a white mess just float randomly through the house. I think I may have gotten off of what we were originally talking about. But that's okay. I was going to ask, when you're talking about with your daughter, did she ever describe what does. Jack look like? No? No, we never asked or anything. I think we did ask, but I don't think we were paying attention. My dad had come to stay with us for a while. He was going through a rough patch in his marriage, and he said he was woke up and there were two figures standing in front of them. One looked like a little girl with pig tails in kind of like a nineteen fifty stylid dress, and the other one was a really tall figure standing behind the little girl. And it scared my dad pretty bad, like he woke up and ran out of the house. And that that was around the time we had asked started asking what does you know? Who is Jack? What is he? Friendly? Is nice? But you know, again I don't remember if she had said anything or I just was brushing it off still and this belief, I guess, but I don't think she ever really described what he looked like. And again, if she, I'm sorry if she did, I wasn't paying attention. I made the mistake of asking my daughter what it looked like. And uh, if anyone listening to the show, they'll they'll we'll find out more about that later. But they. Again, and any for anyone listening, like, just because a child was young, that doesn't mean what they're talking to and saying they're scene and dealing with is not true. And I think as a parent we tend to overlook those things. But sometimes kids do have imaginary friends, and it is just your imagination. And sometimes the imaginary friend is not really imaginary. No, this one definitely was not. And and Jack had stayed around for a couple of years before it. You know, like I said, when we when we moved it, it really started ramping up. And when I watched her get slung into our bed from our doorway, Uh, I mean that kind of just lit a fire under my ass, and we just tried to clean the house. Uh again, it calmed down, but there was something always there. Do you oh go ahead, I'm sorry. Now. Do you think that this thing actually like lifted her and threw her? Yeah? Yeah, because I literally watched her. It looked like somebody had grabbed her by the back of the shirt and the pants, and I mean slung her into our bed. And the bed was a pretty damn good distance away from. The door, so there's no way she was just able to jump from there. No, Like I said, she was tiny. She used to have to climb up on the end of the bed, the footboard, and uh then climb into the bed because we had a pretty tall queen size bed and bed frame and all that, and the matters sat up on the box springs. She she always struggled because of her size getting into the bed. But this night, no, she was thrown into the bed. There's no there's and I mean there's countless times where she would run into her room and climb on the bed, jump on it and play around like normal kids do. But this night in particular, now, she it was uh, it was intense and woke my wife up. It's scared to hell out of all of us. How old is your daughter now? He's eighteen? She just turned this was this is a while ago. This was a good while ago. Yeah, and we've had plenty of other man just insane, unbelievable encounters and experiences since that. I mean she has, my wife has. My wife used to not believe in any of this stuff until we got together, and then I kept telling her about it, and uh, she she believes in it fully now one hundred and ten percent. With your daughter. Whatever happened with Jack that she just kind of quit talking about it. Or Yeah, after we had blessed the house, I guess you could say it had stopped. It didn't stop completely, but it had stopped a lot. And I don't think that she's had any kind of encounter with it since then. If she has, she hasn't said anything. But she goes on about her life normally. Now she's real big into church and her boyfriend have constant Bible studies, So I tend to believe that that's what's keeping it away from her at least, which is good. I'm a believer myself, but I still still have run ins. Sometimes things are and I don't want to say places are haunted or people are haunted, but sometimes I feel like people are the reason that these things are there. They're not there for the place, they're there because of the person. And if you didn't experiencing things your whole life, maybe it's something that attracts them to you. And I don't know what that could possibly be other than the fact that you're able to see them, or they know that you can see them, so maybe that interests them that you're able to channel into the thirst side or. Somehow possibly this I mean, this goes back even to when my dad was a kid. He would tell me stoolies about my aunt who would they lived in this house and she slept up in the attic that was her room, but there was no windows. And when my grandma went up there because she heard her talking, said she went up there and her hair was blowing like there was a breeze, a real strong breeze, but there was no windows, and the lady that she was talking to was bleeding out of her neck and wearing a white gown. Or come to find out, the lady used to live in that house, but she had died while having throats circuits, and my aunt. We took her down here to the took him on the battlefield and she we didn't stay long. I mean, she she had like a strong connection with the other side, that kind of stuff, and I think maybe we had walked in there twenty minutes and she was like, I need to go, I'm not feeling well. And before that she was fine, joking around, having a good time, and then when we got to the battlefield, she just completely changed, shut down and just were not having But I don't want to say it's like a family curse or anything, but I kind of I guess I feel it it's like a family curse. There are some cases that I've come across, and I'm not an avid researcher in the paranormal or any one topic, to be honest, but it is something to do with like your family. And I don't know if it's what it actually is. I can't say that, but like there's been people that I've spoken with that you'd mentioned your aunt, someone else's grandmother was this way, their ants were this way, then now they're this way, and then their daughters this well, like there's something going on like within the families, like specific people inherit this you call it me like a curse, but this ability to communicate with something else. And I don't know if their spirits. I don't know if it's domonic. I don't know if it's literally higher frequency beings, lower frequency being I don't know anything about what it could possibly be other than the fact that there could comunicating with something. Yeah, I think it's it's passed down. I think it's it like, not necessarily a generational curse, but something along those lines. Random, random question, But uh, do you have any Indigenous people's bloodlines through you? Uh? I think on my mother's side we have a small tribe was labeled black Slate, and uh, I know my dad's side he had I can't remember, but yeah, we do. I feel like, and I don't want to generalize the whole thing, but some of the things I have kind of come across with some people are in this. I think if people do the genealogy stuff, a lot of us have Native American blood lines like I do apparently, and I think a lot of people probably do one. Way or the other. But like. For me, it seems like more people and this actually works in the UFO Alien realm, two people really have more of the Native American side somehow or more involved with UFO stuff and aironormal stuff. I don't know why that is, but I've started to nose the pattern that sometimes people with these sorts of bloodlines are usually more able to communicate with something. Sometimes they're abducted. Like it's strange. Like I said, I don't. I don't like to jump to conclusion the spread false and information or anything like that, but this is just stuff that I've kind of formed my own opinion on, So don't take it as fact. But it's just things that I've come across that to me kind of line up together. I'm in agreeance with that. I don't. I don't really tell a whole lot of people about this stuff because they kind of look at you like they're crazy or right. Every so often you find someone who's like, nah, dude, like that's just real, and but it's hard to find those types of people like I got a buddy of mine at work. I've been Franklin for years, but he gives me so much shit about it because he's never seen anything. And I've invited him to go, you know, I've got a tape recorder. I know some places. It's gonna see if we can get some EVPs. And he's like, no, I don't want to get I'm like, what the hell you want to see it? But when I offer, you don't want to go. I think he's like busting my balls about it. At the end of the day, people like to live in the bubble, and once the bubble gets popped, there's no going back. And I think a lot of people are actually afraid of it. They like to poke fun and say this isn't real because that's what they want to believe, because they don't want it to be real, and the moment they figure out that it is, there's no going back. This is this is also are true? Yeah? Uh? Do you think that's like intense or immense trauma kind of plays a factor in that, I. Believe, so I think I think emotional scarring and traumatic events it's just a very high energy, high memory like. For me. And this is again just my opinion. It doesn't mean anything, but I feel like traumatic events, major events, it does something. It does a ripple through I don't want to call it space time, but it does something through like it leaves, like I forget the freaking term, but it's like a negative image on there. Like sometimes you see like Gettysburg is haunted because of the big all the deaths and the wars, and you still see like a tape, it's still playing the same thing. I think when events like that happen, it does like a stamp in time, and it impacts us and it impacts the ether, so everything around us is all tailed or tathered where the phrasing actually is, but like we're all involved and somehow that instance plays some sort of a role in the other things. So it leaves like it's time stamp on us and then the rest of the. World kind of like what is it like a residual, right, yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, they call them like residuals, but like I think that residual is literally burned into reality. And I think there's different versions of reality, Like we're in a three D world, and I think the spirit realm is maybe in like a fourth type of reality, or maybe some of these evil we call them evil, but these lower vibrational things are in a different realm. They're like from a different frequency plane, Like everything is frequencies and vibrations, and we were vibrating constantly or our frequency. But some of these other things could be from a different version of that, like a spirit realm could be just these higher frequency vibrating beings that come in here, or some could be lower vibrant and they come off and feed off the negativity. Like there's all sorts of theories out there, and I don't know if that's true or not, but I tend to lean that way more so since I've started doing this show, because it makes more sense to me. It doesn't have to make sense for anyone else, but it does for me. Kind of think of like, uh, guess how to explain that someone and doesn't understand it. Maybe when I guess when you make like a record, uh, some kind of a recording is kind of never mind. I know what I haven't. I know what you're saying, though, Like when you make a record, when you play the record, it's a vibration of what was actually like recorded to that record, It's like the grooves and stuff, And I understand what you're I'm I come from playing a death metal band, so I understand the whole concept. Of the music. So for me, but like I get what you're saying, like you're burning their music onto this record and it takes the it's spinning around and the little needles picking up the weird vibrations from the little grooves and making and it plays off the music of how it works. That is essentially you can kind of reference that to like what our world is. It's those vibrations, like we are the music. We live in the music right now. The record player is the world and we're the music, and the vibration is what we are surrounded by and what we actually are. So that's yeah, basically what I was exactly what I was going to say, not in so many words, but I couldn't with the pieces together. That's what I'm here for. Help it out now. That when it comes to all the weird stuff, somehow I think it's all connected one way or the other. And I don't know if that's true. Again, it's just kind of my theories that when you talk with people that have had some sort of paranormal experiences, you tend to find when you start asking and I'll ask you, have you ever seen anything strange far as what could possibly be like considered a UFO? No, And I really wanted to, But my dad, has. Have you seen or been in anyone in your family or whatever seen anything that could be considered like a cryptid? What what is it? Cryptid? Exactly like a. Big foot, a dog man, a Jersey devil, like any any of those weird type of creatures that they claim aren't real, like even like they call them pill crawlers or anything like that, like those slender humanoid looking things, like weird stuff that basically we call monsters. But yeah, that would go back to my aunt. They my dad explained it. They were they were chased by like more than a dozen sixthan's tall, pave man looking beings and my dad had you know, he said, yeah, they bite, fants, hit you, and it'd attack you all at once. And I just kind of looked at him when he told me that, and I'm like, that's fucking stupid, Like but I him and my aunt both were like, no, this this really happened. And I'm like, where the hell I mean we I'm. I'm not even like laughing at that. I'm laughing at the sense because I can actually relate to something like that. Oh no, ship. So yeah, basically, years back, we were being dumb kids, and we threw rocks on this mound and something come out chasing us. And I don't know how tall it was. I just seen something come out, and everyone swore it was a goblin. Noh shit, Okay, it wasn't very. It wasn't very tall. Most likely to me was like probably, looking at it now, it's probably an animal. But all my cousins said it was a goblin. And I was just running the hell out of there because I'm not getting eaten by whatever the hell just come out of this thing we threw rocks out. Yeah, but. There are all sorts of actual stories about little people and things I've never heard of being six inches that's actually smaller than what they're normally reported as. But up in the northeastern part of the country, there's the stories of the puck wedges, which we actually have some in our area too here in Indiana. But they're basically a little well, I would say more, I don't know how to even describe what they would be considered there, but basically like a spiritual type little things. But then there's also the old legends of the fairy folk, they call them fay and those are smaller. So I've always referenced things to the sense of where did the stories and legends come from? Like obviously in Europe they had a lot more our stories about fayfolk. Well, what influenced them to like leprechauns, What influenced them to talk about those or little elves or all these things? Something had to start those stories at some point. So what were people seeing? Like fairies? They are only like a foot tall, if that big? What influence people to talk about that? Will some say, well, they were just fireflies? Well I would think fairies, like a little human with wings that flies around could be described better than. A bug. Yeah no, there's I believe in that shit. Again, that goes back into the realm of the different reality, like the different planes of existence. Like in our world, we're in the three D world, but maybe these things are from the five D world whatever the hell that could be. My mind doesn't even know what that would be, but like, maybe they're from a different frequency vibration area that we can't see. Yeah, no, that I believe in a lot of some of it. I'm kind of like, Okay, that's kind of weird. But again, like you said, you know, where does this derive from? Where where do they get these creatures and their stories and folklore, And somebody had to have seen it somewhere, someone. That saw something somewhere to make a story about it. That's it can go for anything that Let's use Sasquatch for an example. There's been reports of them everywhere, like almost on every continent. They've had some sort of reports of something that would be considered a large, bipedal, hairy humanoid. But there's nothing that proves that they exist. There's never been a body found that at least has been publicly acknowledged. Now you see pictures of what people. Say are them. You've seen the video that the famous video for walks and turns its head back and looks and keeps going. There's all that stuff, but people still say they don't exist. What does everyone see? Yeah, it's had to have been seen somewhere. I mean you can you can you can believe it, or you can try to counteract it and say, oh no, you know, dude was habitual liar and a drunk, so I mean, good storyteller, But I do believe and feel that this stuff has to come from somewhere, some kind of sighting. If you want to look at it like a scientific point of view. If you're a skeptic, you could throw up wall. If these are real, then why are there no? Why is there no? You would see a lot more like with the way technology is. How come security cameras aren't picking these things up? How come with everyone with a cell phone they don't record them? Like? Why has no one been digging in the ground building all these buildings? We ever find buried stuff? Well, here's the thing that most people don't consider. How often do we dig in the ground anyways and come across anything? Like if we're just digging, have you ever dug up a bear? Has anyone dug up like the remains of indigenous people? I know it's happened, but like you don't hear about it though, So who's to say that we haven't dug some of those things up when we just don't realize we have been. That is, if they are an actual flesh and blood creature like a lot of people. Think they are. And again that's just sasquatch. You could relate that to UFOs and aliens. You can relate to anything. When it comes down to it, there has to be some sort of an explanation. And then even with paranormal people are experiencing something, they're seeing something. What picked your daughter up and through it to your bed. Exactly like huh, So that was one of the serious moments in my life. There's something that does this, And as much as I would love to know one hundred percent what it is, the sad reality, I don't think we ever will, at least not in my lifetime. I know that sucks, but I don't know if we're ever going to get that full on disclosure as to what is really going on. Do you think that maybe all this kind of stuff is very deep in the catacombs of the Vatican. Without going on full on conspiracy realm with it. I think. I think a lot of the upper. Societal members and religious like church things, not just like with the Church, but like other different denominations and everything. I think I think they have ideas. I don't want to say that they have everything and they know everything, because the way I understand how most things work. I heard this recently on something else, and it made a lot more sense to me. I think there are a lot of the reasons that they don't acknowledge certain things, like government wise, because they can't control it. So if they can't can control the paranormal, they can't control. UFOs or aliens or anything like that. They can't control possible fae, different realities different to me, they're just not going to talk about it because they don't have the power over it. I feel like we as humans were very egotistical in the sense that we think we're the best of the best, and if we know that we're not, we don't want everyone else to know that. So we're just not going to acknowledge that. So we want to be top of the food chain. What happens if we find out we're not. How would the world react if they knew that there's spirit realms out there that actually do feed on us. They feed on our energy. They're like a parasitic thing that we don't even see, but they're all surrounded by us, and then they feed off the hate and everything that's been influenced in our lives. That was a reality. If someone were to come on TV and say that, everyone was like, what the that guy's crazy? Yeah, So yeah, I guess it goes back to seeing is believing, right. I've said a lot of times I don't think people fully understand it if they've never had their own experience. It really takes someone to actually have some sort of an experience that they acknowledge before they'll actually understand there's a lot more to it, because I believe a lot of people have experiences they just don't realize it or they won't pay attention to it. Sometimes it was kind of hard not to pay attention to it and acknowledge the fact that something abnormal is going on around And you know that could go back to what you had said previously about in the bubble. Yeah, there's all sorts of possibilities, but that is the whole thing with life is well, I personally don't think we'll ever really figure it out. I don't know if we're really designed to know all of the secrets of life. And I think these are part of the secrets that we all keep searching for answers for. But I don't know if we're ever going to find the actual answer. We might get some clues here and there, but the world is a giant puzzle and we're all sitting here certain sorting through pieces of it trying to find the ones a fit. Have you ever experienced sleep paralysis. I have. I actually have it often. I don't know. I didn't know what it was at first, and I can talk to you more about it off air, but no, I just had it probably about a month ago. Do you see anything when you experience the sleep paralysis? Is anything present itself to you? Do you feel anything? I usually just realize I'm not moving and I keep fighting until I start moving. I tell myself to wake up, and I wake up. Lucky. I've had it twice, and my wife, you know again, was kind of the skeptic. She thought I was having a bad dream or something and I was completely awake. I couldn't move and h the first time. Anytime I close my eyes, these planes would shoot up and it was just like this big mouth of huge fucking teeth snapping at my face. And when I'd opened my eyes, I was sweating profusely, like like I was inside of a heater, and I could feel these gusts of winds every time, and it took forever to wake up. And then that one scared me because I seen shit crawl on the wall as well. Uh something I don't I don't know what it was. It was some kind of a a shadow figure had long extremities and hair, and it just went right before I could move, it had crawled into the ceiling. And then I was able to have full control of my own body again. And the second time, I think I scared myself just from the past experience. I didn't really see anything, but I struggled so hard to scream or move or something. And then I think it was like a year later my wife had finally experienced it for the first time, and this is when we had moved, and we're seeing the blankets and stuff, the things crawling in the floor and under the door, her being chased by something she thought with me but had no face, and it scared the hell out of her, and she was like, I'm so sorry. Well I was like, yeah, well, you know, we discussA that later, but right now, are you okay? I'd like to talk a little bit more about that, Like how did the whole thing come about? I have no idea. I worked second shift at this break place, and when I got home, I was I was so tired. I had been up for I think I was going on twenty four hours straight. I couldn't sleep, and when I laid down to go to sleep. I think I started dozing off and I don't know what happened. I couldn't move and I started panicking. I'm wide awake. I'm panicking. And anytime I closed my eyes to try to like get out of it, there's these planes and these huge I seen a masket spirit Halloween last week, and I was like, fay, Gabe, this is what I saw that one time I had sleep for It was the same. It was Oh man, it was insane, dude. These huge fucking teeth just snapping at my face had come out of the flames. And when I opened my eyes again, I was sweating profusuly. I like I was in a sauna, and I could feel it. Every time it snapped his teeth and I'd opened my eyes, I could feel these gusts of winds. And that went on. I know at least twenty minutes. I laid there trying to move and scream and dealing with that. And right before I gained full control of my own body again, something had crawled up the wall and into the ceiling. And that that was one of the scariest moments as well. Uh, I don't I don't know, come to think of it, man, when I was a kid, we went swimming at my one ant's house. She had this big ass pull out in the yard and I had jumped in through an inner tube and I got stuck and I was under My head was under the water, and uh, I don't know how long it was, but I started seeing this. I remember seeing this light to start I could I don't know if I'd sucked in a bunch of water, but I had seen this bright light to start coming into my I guess my periphials or something. It was like right in front of me, but it was all around, and then it kept getting closer or growing bigger, and right before it it got like right up on me. I got poured out of the water and they were pumping on my chest. I split up a bunch of water, and after that, I remember seeing and hearing a lot more stuff, I guess, like a near death experience. That is interesting because I wonder if that is part of the reason as to why you're more open to these things, because you were close to that side, Like maybe that light you saw was the other side to where these things are now able to. They saw you, so maybe since they saw you now they're more interested in you. I never really thought of it like that. I thought it was, you know, the light at the end of the tunnel, as they say, here's what I've. Mentioned this on a previous episode. We're always told to go to the light when you see the light at the end of the tunnel. What if the light at the end of the tunnel is not really what we think it is. What if the light is where they want us to go, because that's where they get us at It is a really morbid outlook, But what do you attract? What gets drawn to lights? Look at bugs, they get drawn into the light. You turn on the light, you sucking all these things, Like the light brings in everything. And everyone's like, oh, you got to go to the light. Well, if I was trying to trap things defeat on them. Oh shit, I would all the light and draw them to the light. Yeah. I don't want to die anymore. On Holy shit, that's that's insane. So I'm not telling people if you die, not to go to the light, but maybe look around first. Yeah, get it, feel what the hell is out there? Because if you start going to that light, what if and this is just some out there stuff, But what if the light is. Or we get trapped. What if the light is not how we move to the next world. Like I'm not saying like heaven, hell anything like that. I'm just saying, like, what if our bodies are here, our souls are trapped, our energy, our consciousness in order for us to reach the next stage. Like maybe these beings from a different plane of existence used to be what we are, and maybe the light is the trap and then we don't achieve the higher level, so we go into the light and we get stuck back here and we start all over again, like or. Someone like a reincarnation type thing. You could say that way, but like people say reincarnation, but like we're destined to I use that as an example for like when people have deja vu, because I have that a lot, and it's almost like we've been here before. Well, we died, went to the light, came back by now we're living the whole life over again. We're all just on repeat. So maybe we're not supposed to go to the light, which goes against everything that people It goes against everything that we're taught. But I've always been one that kind of rebels against what's been taught to me in the first place. So I said, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying I'm wrong. I don't really know what the hell I'm talking about. I'm just saying for me, I've often wondered if maybe we're not supposed to go to the light, because what happens if we don't? Are we ghosts? Then we wander around? Maybe is that what these spirits are because they didn't go to the light, Or. Maybe they go to the light and then. They come back and their ghosts don't. I don't know. Like I said, it's just something to. Think about, definitely something to think about that I've never thought of it like that before, but I probably, ah, I probably will, thank you. It's a new fear unlaw. That's uh, not what I'm here to do. But this is going to be the Halloween episode. So for anyone listening, hopefully I didn't ruin your. Your evenings afterlife, right, not. Telling you not to go to the light. You want to go to the light. More and more important to me is you to go and do your own thing. Don't use me as an influence. I'm just a nobody. If you get to go to the light and come back, please document everything and get back with it in full tails and let us know. People have said before that the whole thing of going to the light is because it's your memories going back through and it's basically like the first memory you have because you're being born. It sounds weird, Yeah, it sounds weird, but I've heard that a lot, or like, no, when you're dying, you just remember being born. Well that's kind of what got me thinking about the whole aspect of going back through it again. You go to the light and then you're born again. So are we not moving on? Because if that's the case, they're saying, you're just remembering being born. Well, maybe it's because when you go to the light you are being born again, you're someone else, you're the same person or on repeat. I don't know what it means other than maybe that's what's happening. So maybe we shouldn't go to the light. I don't know. That's just that's just how my brain works. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with that either. That's a that's an that's insane, that's intense. We can probably wrap this one up, but before we do, is there anything else you would like to talk about? Uh, yeah, there's a lot. But you know, if you're willing man and this was okay, I'd love to come back and discuss more of our experiences, or maybe a multiple guest one where somebody has relatable experiences or I'm always down for it. I'd nice to finally have somebody that will actually sit and listen and compare and contrast ideas instead of just brush it off and look at you like you're fucking weird. No, I the whole reason I do my show is for what you just said. There is too many people out there that do not consider any of this stuff and instantly write it off. The whole concept for me is to make something for people to be able to come on and have those conversations and not get made fun of, not get told they're crazy, not get ridiculed. That's not what I do here. So I don't tend to say that I believe everything that gets thrown at me, because I am a skeptic in most parts. But I'm a lot more open than I ever used to be. But I tend to believe that majority of the people that I speak with fully believe what they're telling me. So if they believe it, who am I to question it? You know, I wasn't there. I didn't experience it. I'm going to tell someone they didn't experience what they said they did. Yeah, I wish more people thought like that. It takes someone to have experiences that, like I said earlier, to relate to it. If people don't have those experiences, then they don't have any idea what it's actually like to have them. So that is, like I said, why I do what I do just because I know what it's like for people not to believe you. Not a good feeling, not at all. Oh yeah, definitely, man, I can, I can. If you want to do another one of these, I can tell you about the time that we actually captured EVPs walked into a cold spot. And this all happened in one night, and I think we captured like six EVPs within a ten minute timeframe and walked into a cold spot. And what's funny is that there was a guy who had just died behind the house in a freak a week prior, and I think we caught his voice on the recorder. Yeah, we can definitely have you back out here on here and we can talk more about it. I enjoyed talking with you. So yeah, I definitely have you back on sometime. Thanks. Man, I definitely honored to be on here. That's that's for damn sure. All I appreciate you come on here and sharing that with us. But for. Now, we're going to wrap this one up on this little segment. So again thanks to Jerry and thanks for listening. Like, take this time to welcome my guest in studio tonight, Miss Emily. Hi, don't make it awkward. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? So I can let the audience know, but you're already going to know because you're married to me, or at least I hope you know something about me. Yeah. So I'm a mom, I work full time. I I've worked for many years in different areas. But healthcare, child development. Yeah. Now I'm the person everybody here hates to hear on the phone. Yeah. Now, you're not one that is big in the whole paranormal aspect or anything either. No. I mean, yeah, you hear everybody's stories, but to me, they're just that stories. So you could say you're a skeptic. Yeah, to say the. Least, you know think aliens are flying around and abducting people. No, especially especially aliens, not abducting people. No, especially in their dreams. Okay, So for the audience listening, and you can kind of understand the basis of where we're at here. But the reason I wanted to have you on to talk to you is because someone else that I had interviewed, which the interview was before this one. So for anyone listening to the interview, you just listened to. But there are very many similarities to what he was talking about to some of the things that you've experienced with our oldest and now with our youngest daughter. So for me, I thought it would be interesting to talk about some of that stuff instead of hearing it from me, hearing it from the person that's actually experienced it. Yeah. Yeah, because for the stuff with our oldest, I absolutely wasn't there for that, So this is all prior to me and you being together. But for the listening audience, I figured they might find this interesting because, again, coming from someone who doesn't really believe in this sort of stuff, even though you've experienced stuff and saw stuff, it's kind of funny to me that you're still against believing it. Yeah, because once you believe it. It makes it real. And that's what I tell people. A lot of people have experiences and they want to write it off because they don't want to accept the fact that it is real. Yeah, that's kind of what I've done for all these years, is refused to accept it because I don't want to make it real. Well, if you want to get started, they get bag all the way to the beginning. So back when the oldest was about six or eight months old, her dad and I moved into our first house, you know, and I always when I walked in, had that feeling of somebody's there, but nobody is there. And shortly after living there, we hired somebody to come watch her in our home because the cost of childcare, even thirteen years ago was astronomical. And about two or three days into her watching our daughter, she had said that she was curious about who lived here before we did, because she would have our daughter in the front room and her toys would be turning on and playing, and she would hear interesting noises back in our daughter's bedroom, which was you know, at the other end of the house. And you know, we didn't have any dogs or cats that could have went back there and turned them on. So it was definitely like a you know, eye raiser and why they would be turning on. And you know, we did explain to her that prior to us living there, we did learn that there had been a gentleman who passed away in that room, so you know, the joke was, oh, he'd probably still here then. But again, not one to really want or have the need to believe that that could really be a thing, And it wasn't until about a week and a half two weeks later, she said she's not going to keep watching our daughter and literally left me high and dry. I had to call off work that day because she didn't show up because she was too afraid to come back. Now this was back when about two thousand. And eleven, twenty twelve. Yeah, yeah, so it's been quite a while ago. So you know, I stayed home that day and we kind of tried to figure out what we were going to do. And that feeling of somebody's watching or somebody's there intensified over the course of you know, those couple of weeks that she was there, and I kind of put it all as you know, she was the first person to say it. Maybe she introduced something somehow, but you know, I kind of pushed that away because I also had that weird feeling from the first time we walked in. What type of feeling can you describe? Yeah, you know, like when you feel like somebody's looking over your shoulder, you know, like just somebody's right there, that eerie goosebumpy feeling when you walk into a building and you don't feel like you're alone. By heaviness, Yeah, yeah, you could say heavy. It's very ominous type feeling. Now, this was the first place you'd moved into, wasn't it. Yeah, Yeah, this was the first place to be lived outside of our parents' homes. Yeah. How long ago had the guide passed away in there? It had been about two years prior to when we moved in, But there had been a couple other families that moved in between him passing away and us moving in, and they weren't even there for six months. I know who they were. I didn't know them personally, but I talked to one of the neighbors, and the lady who lived there with that man because it was her brother. She ended up moving to a different house right down the road, and even the neighbors said he hated kids. So every family who has moved in there with kids has never stayed, you know, longer than six months. And we were reaching right at that six month point when everything started to get really strange. About how old was she at that point? Then? Just about a year old? Yeah, it was right before she turned one. Okay, yeah, well from there, I know there's a lot more to it, so Y keep going. Yeah. So one day she, I mean was just absolutely granted and I could not, you know, figure out what was going on. So I went to go back there and her bedroom door shut very abruptly, very hard, and of course that sued me to run to the door. And you know, the the house that I was living in was a trailer, so you know, anybody who knows trailers know they're not like super sturdily built, so doors are easily opened generally speaking, But at that moment. I couldn't open the door. It was like it was locked, even though there was no lock on that door. So no matter what you did, you couldn't get into Yeah. I mean I was doing my whole body into it. I was twisting the handle, pulling up on it, pulling back on it, everything, and I could just hear her screaming, and any parent knows hearing their child screaming is the worst feeling when you can't get to them. And then all of a sudden, the door just was no longer. It was almost like somebody was on the other side. Pushing it shut, trying to keep you out. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, there is no weight on that door. And when I walked in, and it still gives me goosebumps when I even talk about it now, when I walked in, she was up against the back of her crib, not touching the mattress. So basically saying she was levitating. Yeah, I mean, there was no way that she could have been I mean anything but literally loading. Now, when you've told me this before, and I've called bullshit on it because to me, I don't necessarily see that being possible. But your ex is also said that. But did he actually see it or was it only you? No, it was just me. He wasn't there, so him, you know, saying yeah, okay, it's agreeing, But he had heard the things on the baby monitor randomly, you know, But I kind of put that off to outside noise because trailer walls are thin, you know, you hear everything outside. But did it come through the monitor. A couple of different times there was like static that would come through. But again I put that off to cheap material. And he would always say, oh, yeah, no, it's not cheap. That doesn't just happen. But shortly after any noise we would hear, our daughter would just lose it. She would be hysterical and crying. But what was you know, the worst for it was once I got to her. You know, it was like I picked her up out of mid air. She never once went back down like you know it. Some people were like, oh, she was probably holding onto the back of the crib or no, her pack was against it. I'm still knowing you, and not just because you're my wife, but like when I hear that stuff to me, I try to rule out how that's possible. And for some reason I can't to the audience because you're my wife be like, oh, he's just going to go along with whatever. But no, if anyone knows me, especially you, yeah, you're gonna call out bullshit. You see bullshit? Yeah, And. I still struggle excepting that, and I know you and you're not a bullshitter at all. Yeah, so I want to believe, but it's creepy. Yeah. Like I said, I still get goosebump and it's been thirteen years. Yeah, so that's one things. Again, I didn't see it, so I can't say, yes, this is what really happened, but I also can't rule it out. So for me, it's just like I don't know how to explain it, right. Yeah, So you know, after that happened, I of course called her dad and I was like, I'm leaving, never coming back to this house. I don't know what just happened. And I explained the whole thing to him, and we ended up going and staying with a friend of ours for a few days because I was just absolutely traumatized. I wouldn't go back in to get closed, like I wouldn't go back in for anything. And he contacted a friend of ours who was very heavily into religion and she had been known to do cleanses of houses, and so he asked her if she would go and do you know an investigation or a cleanse, whatever, you know, you want to look at it as and she said yeah, so she did and she met with us later and told us that we can't return. It's not safe until she's finished, which, of course, you know, made me freak out because you know, my young mom, I didn't know what that meant, like with I putting my own child in danger. And a couple days later she finally told us, yes, you can go back. I put some angels in her bedroom, one of which was in a window basing out, and then there was some in her closet and then won by the front door, and she said, as long as you live here, don't move them. That will help to tour anything from re entering your home. We did just that. I actually still own those angels. They're in a cabinet now, but you know, we left those there. And as she got older, you know, things didn't stop per se. If anything, they got a little weirder for me. You know, she would once she was at the age of you know, talking to a point of understanding, she would tell us that she sees eyes outside her window, you know, red eyes. They're looking at me. They're looking at me. And we always you know, maybe it's somebody's tail lights or maybe it's you know, whatever. But it was only ever out of her window, never out of the front window or the back window. Was it the same window or the thing was the angel? Yeah, so the angel was It was like a bay window. Who it had like the flat part on the bottom, and the angel was sitting there on that flat part looking out, and that was the exact same window that she would always tell us that she saw red eyes, so we had curtains up, but she said that she could still see them. So she was probably two and a half and she would start having what we later were told by doctors were night terrors where we thought she was awake because of how fast she was running and just screaming. And you know, again as a parent, hearing your child's scream is the worst thing ever, especially in the middle of the night in a dead sleep. But she was never actually awake. And she would come in, you know some nights looking like she's holding hands with somebody, and you know, we would ask her, what are you doing, and she would giggle and you know, just mumble things and then crawl on our bed and go back to sleep. Well, one particular night, she came sprinting, I mean like I heard her running the moment she left her room into my room and jumped in my bed, and of course I'm trying to soothe her and are you okay? Are you okay? And again she's not awake, so she's not like responding. Her eyes are open, she looks awake, she looks like, you know, your normal person looking at you. But she sits up. And the way that we had our room set up is our bed was like in the corner, and there was a window close to the foot of our bed on the right side. And she sits up, crossed to the window and pulls the curtain back, turns around ever so slowly, and I will never forget like that slow turnaround and said they're here, shut the curtain or blinds, laid down and went to sleep. Now, when you say they're here, reminds me of the movie Poltergeist. Yeah, yeah, the little creepy kid and little girl that turned from the TV and said they're back or whatever. They're Yeah, so of course I freaked out, like I'm awake. It's three thirty in the morning. And that was the other very very strange thing the time the time, it was always between three and four am, which later I've always learned, you know, that's apparently like a witching hour. Or something they say the most you know, awake, that the spirits are or whatever. Thirty three thirty three usually isn't the mocking. It's like half of six six six. I've been right. Yeah, So that of course I woke her dad up, and I'm like, something's going on, like this is what was said, and uh, you know, of course men waking up in the middle of the night is nearly impossible, not always true, okay, not for you, but most men, you know. So of course he rolled over and went right back to sleep. And here I lay awake because I'm not going to go back to sleep. My kid just told me somebody's ear, but I don't see anybody, and I did. I got up. I checked that window, I checked the front window, I checked her window, and I didn't see anything. So I just sat in bed sued her because she was still like breathing shakily, almost like she was scared, even though she wasn't awake. And then, you know, we kind of brushed that off. But then a few days later she came in our room again, and this became an almost nightly thing that she would come in and we would just most of the time put her in our bed, put her back to sleep, and ignore anything that was happening around us. But one night in particular, she came in and she was giggling, so it was a nice treat to not have her screaming. It was like she was holding somebody's hand again, and we're like, hey, what are you doing? And she's like, giggles and says, I'm talking to Grandma Jackie. And I was like. Who, because her Grandma Jackie died three years before she was born, and so that was the only Jackie I knew of. That could be you know, references to it, but it didn't make any sense because she'd never seen her. And I was, you know, again, who, She's like Grandma Jackie, and she giggled and said, and she wants me to tell you cows don't have teeth. And I immediately sat up and I was absolutely petrified when I was a teenager. That was Grandma Jackie's joke, these cows don't have teeth, to try to make me not afraid of them. You're afraid of cows for one listening, Yeah, I am. It's a very strange phobia to be afraid of cows. But you are terrified, then I have explained it a million times. If you have never been chased in an open field by a bull and a bunch of hungry cows, you wouldn't understand. They're not going to eat you. They do have they do have teeth, but not to eat meat. Listen, you couldn't have told sixteen seventeen year old me that, and you cannot tell thirty year old me that either. So yeah, that was you know. And there had been a couple of different instances where she referenced Jackie and she had saw a picture of her grandma at her So Jackie was her great grandma. And she saw a picture of her at her grandmother's house and said, Madma, who is that? And she told her, well, that's Grandma Jackie. I thought you'd said you had seen her before. And in the photo she had her hair all ice and pretty. It was a family photo, and she said, no, Grandma Jackie has no hair. And Grandma Jackie died of cancer. But she would have never been seen in public or by family other than her husband and daughter and son put out her wig on. So for her to reference something that even some of the closest family had never seen was wild. Who was that to her is that obviously on her dad's side. So it was yeah, it was her dad's mom's mom. Okay, yeah, so it was her great grandma. Yeah yeah, And like I said, she passed away three years where she had part of her name from. But yeah, she would have never have had any sort of memory of her. Would anyone have said anything to her about cows that? No, Because what's funny is that was me and Jackie thing. I had never even told anybody until after that instance that Jackie had told me that because I had come back into the house after feeding time down at the farm. They had a big farm, and I was just frantic. She's trying to calm me down in the kitchen and then she's like, girl, what is wrong with you? And of course I'm hysterical, and I'm like, I was chased by cows and they were kind of hurt me and you know, hint my fear. And so she's like, oh, honey, no, no, no, you don't. You don't need to be scared of them. They don't even have teeth, and so, you know, that was kind of like a oh, yeah, I know, you're right. They may be thousands of pounds, but they don't have teeth, so they can't chew me up. It's fine. Disclaimer, cows have teeth. I don't know if any cow that eats flesh, but I guess it's a possibility. Anything's possible, right, Yeah, I. Know cows do buy. I've seen cows get nibbled. I've actually been bit by a cow. It didn't hurt. But like they're biting my clothes. Yeah, it's a little pinch. Yeah, But same thing with goats. Yeah, goat and donkeys and yeah, they all like pincha with them big old teeth of theirs. But for years, I mean that happened when I was sixteen or seventeen, and the instance that you know, our daughter was I was probably twenty twenty one. It's only had been several years since that occurred. And here she was saying, Grandma Jackie says, cass don't have teeth, and like I said, I sat up. That was like, oh my what. But you know, we never really paid much attention to the angels in her room, just because we knew we weren't touching them, and we knew she wasn't touching them because she wouldn't even play in there, like we put all her toys out in the living room, like she would go in there after she was asleep. We would take her in there to go to bed, because you know, it was a trailer, it wasn't much space. But she wouldn't even play in there, so we knew she wasn't messing with them. But the ones in the top of the closet were turned. And shortly after we noticed that they were turned, was you know, when the there's they're here comment happened and things like that, So it was like, is that somehow related? Like looking back now, it's like, is that somehow related to them being turned? Like did whatever she's seen and nobody else could see have something to do with that? Or you know, completely unexplainable. I think children have the ability to see things that we are not able to see. Oh yeah, I agree. Her one of her dad's best friends, we called him her uncle for years. He was tragically killed in a motorcycle accident. And she would have been five five and a half maybe at the time of that happening. She may have been moved six. I don't know, she's somewhere between five and six, you know, And we were all of course really upset because you know, he was somebody close to all of us, and she kept telling us, don't be sad. I still get to see him. I still get to see him. It's okay. And you know, we truly believe, like especially after the Grandma incident, you know, with mentioning something, she should have never known that somehow, some way she did see them. It will point do kids stop seeing that though? I think there's I think there's an age where they kind of start to not be able to see it. Yeah, some still do. Well for modern reference, this was just the other day. She lives in our basement. She doesn't like living in the basement because she says she always feels like someone's watching her. She lives in the basement. Who's watching her? Right? Yeah, there's no windows than even the small little access window per se is covered by a tapestry. On the wall, right, So there's no way anything can be watching. But she does feel that she's does. And you know, she doesn't like to go any places that are super dark or you know, anything like that because she still feels like somebody's watching her. And we've struggled with dreams with her up until she was probably seven almost eight we moved out of that house, thank goodness. I mean it has since been torn down. There was a family who moved in after I moved out, and they were there for six months and they left, So you know, I truly believe there was something about that six month mark. How many the years were you there for? Then almost five? Okay, and then we've been together since beginning middle somewhat beginning of twenty eighteen, so we've been together for almost seven years. When I've got with you, she wasn't really having the issues, but she still would have night terrors every once in a. While, and that scream that screams something you'd never forget when they would complain that. And she also had a lot of weird vomiting mellow of the night. That is when I had I never had children up until we got together, so for thirty five years I was never around children. And I have a very weak stomach for anyone out there waiting up in the middle of light hearing a child screaming, going in there and seeing, because you were very pregnant at the time, seeing that massacre of. Yeah, well, and you know that initial fear that you're feeling when you hear them screaming like that. I mean, it's like it's literally a gout rid ching. Why are they screaming at that house? You know, she was upstairs, we were downstairs. I never once had any weird vibes at that house. Now. I love that house. That would have been the house else that I thought would have been creepy because it was one hundred and something years old. Yeah, it was built in eighteen something. Eighteen ninety something. At eighteen ninety one. Yeah, it was a really old house. But it was beautiful. Yeah, and not ones did I ever have a weird vibe at that place. Yeah, So when I was looking at houses to move, that's actually why part of why I chose that house. I walked in a couple other ones and was like, h I don't like it. I walked in that one and I felt calm, And that was the first time I'd walked into a house and felt calm in a long time. Yeah, that was I never had any issues there, and even to this day, I kind of still miss it. Yeah. I wish we could have picked it up and moved it to where we're at now. Speaking of where we're at now, the story does it end here. It'll for anyone that's paid attention to the show. I've talked about this before, but it's better, I think, to hear it from not just myself, because even though you're my wife, I still thin could give some bit of credibility to the whole thing, because I'm not the only lunatic that's seen. It all right, Yeah, yeah, But. Basically what happened once we moved in. Here, So we only had three of our kids at that point, and so they were all upstairs. We didn't have any bedrooms or anything downstairs, so the girls shared a room. They had bunk beds, and our youngest daughter was stoked, like so excited. She was not even two years old. Yeah, she was little. And one night, you know, the people that lived here prior were older people, and they still had the pull down blinds that you got to like pull on at a right angle to get it to stay down, and you pull it at a different angle and it can like shoot back up profest. And we hadn't changed those out just because they did block really good amount of light. And we were laying there one night and uh, I don't even remember what time it was. I mean it was probably about ten thirty. Yeah, I don't even think we were asleep. We weren't. We actually just laid down finally fell asleep. Yeah, we were laying there and that blind shot up, and of course, you know, we jumped because they're not quiet. When they shoot up like that, they kind of like bud up against the window frame. Kind of scares out of you. Yeah, just a little bit. So of course we were like, oh ha ha ha something, you know, messed with them, just trying of joking. And then the next thing we know, we hear mine in a very low, deep male voice come from the baby monitor and we were both looked at each other as said, uh what, And of course we went and grabbed our daughter immediately. That was, you know, a very interesting, strange thing to occur. And then I was giving her a bath, I think it would either the next day or maybe two days later, and I noticed she had scratches on her back in a pattern of three from you know, at the top of her shoulder down toward the middle of her back. We took everyone's hand, and the only person that could have done that because of the spacing, would have been me. Yeah, it was big, and you know, our other children at the time were only eight, nine, eight and ten something. Like that, not even ten inches. There had been nine and nine and seven. Yeah, so I mean they were young, so they didn't have huge hands, you know, and we tried, okay, maybe the cat did it. Well, clearly, a cat's paul is way smaller than a hand. And for reference, the cat didn't have claws. He had been to Claude when I got him, like I got every make main society at the time, and he had no claws. Yeah. And the other cat that we had, we didn't even have her, Nala. Yeah we had Nala. Did we ever brought in at that time? Yeah? I remember Nala as the cat. I haven't I met you, No. I know that, but I thought that Okay, yeah, they would have been brought back in here. Yeah, they came from your friend's house at the same time. We had our cat staying with a friend while we were removing because it took several months to get moved. Yeah, it was a nightmare. That is the worst part of the whole story is having to live in a camper trailer in your parents' driveway for like three months. With three kids and two dogs. Not one dog was not small. It was a boxer. So but you know, even Nala, Nala never really went into the bedrooms, but we even held her pall up and it was too small. I mean, the spacing between them would have been you know, like you had your fingers spread wide open. Yeah, it was very wide. I have huge hands, I'm a large person, and the space scene between the fingers has to have been several inches, so I think there's almost like a six inch space from the one to the other. That end one. Yeah, it was big. And of course you know what how why where? The number three is always significant when you hear things like this too, because when you look into paranormal activity stuff, when people talk about demonic stuff and people say they get scratched, it always seems to be in threes. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, our older daughter wasn't having any issues. She wasn't hearing anything, she wasn't seeing anything. So it's almost like, you know, she had exited that age where they're susceptible to it. And our daughter is that aide where the activity was starting for you originally with Yeah? Yeah, minus you know the levitating adultest one was younger for that, but yeah, that's seeing things and mentioning them and things like that. It was rough with the same age, you know. Yeah, after that, you kind of did your little whatever's here needs to leave kind of thing around the house. And I'd threatened it and taunted it. Yeah, I said, it wasn't very professional per se. But you know, she's left in our room because we were a paranoid, you know, and the people are like, oh my gosh, you left your other daughter in there. She wasn't having any issues, Like, she wasn't experiencing anything. There was nothing happening for her, so obviously had anything happen with her, we would have like, okay, you can come lumber party in our room too. But here's the other thing. It was, we had three kids that are all right beside each. Other nother all of our rooms like basically touched. None of the other ones ever said anything. They were never afraid, they never had any feelings, and for the most part, I've never once had a weird feeling except for that one time out than her painting. Before painting, yeah, and the dog was growling and hit a creaky board in the living room, steering at nothing but growling constantly. Yeah, yeah, Oh, mister pop. Yeah, rest in peace, mister poop. You know. So she slept in our room basically for the next several years. Then, well it was up until Declan had been born. Yeah, I mean she still I just slept in there a little bit. I mean, shoot, she's stuck them in there. Yeah. And he's three. He sleeps in the room now too. Yeah. Which we'll get to that here in a minute. Because it seems to just. Keep Yeah, it never stops, never stops. So basically, after I went through the house and I threatened this thing traveled that it didn't need to be here, it had to go away. It's not welcome. And then I used specific religious vibe things and sayings to it, and I took whatever whatever means I thought I could. I thought again, because I hadn't experienced anything, I hadn't noticed anything, I thought maybe we were past that. Yeah, and I don't think we're ever gonna get past that. Like, you know, I don't even remember. I probably been about a year ago. You know, we have our tooth incident. We'll get to that in a minute. There is a lot more that happened right after this. Her imaginary friend, Oh Chloe, Okay, So you're looking at me like I'm crazy, Like, well. My brain, mom, brain. Yeah. So she started. You know, she was an quote unquote only child in the sense of close to her age. Her siblings were older. They would leave every other weekend and go to their dad's house. So she learned to play alone because she had to. But then we started noticing that she was playing alone but acting like somebody was there with her, and talking like she's talking to somebody, and making us leave a spot open on the couch, and making us put a spot at the table, and like all of these things, which at first it's like, oh, Okay, she has an imaginary friend whatever, And I. Mentally creeped out because they creeped me out in general. And I remember having an imaginary friend, but. What if it wasn't an imaginary. That's that's the thing. I remember, you know, the house when we were little, but also we had a little boy who lived under our stairs, so you know, and my sisters. I have three sisters, so they all kind of know about that one. He would play tricks and do silly stuff. But you literally just said in the beginning that you don't believe in that. I don't because I still in my mind to convince myself it had to have been one of my sisters. Now, the little boy, like I remember, we used to run down this stairs to try not to get touched because like you know that eerie, oh my gosh, somebody kind of grabbed my foot feeling when you're running down in set of open stairs. That that was that like, that was that feely. But he would like dump milk and then we would get in trouble. But we didn't do it. So like in my mind, I'm still saying my little sister did it because she was a little sneaky thing and to get everybody in trouble. Yeah, so but you know, so that was my imaginary friend that me and my sisters still to this day or like it was not an imaginary He wore a baseball cap and blue jeans and a T shirt and he lived underneath the stairs. Where did our daughter's imaginary friend live? Which time under our son's bed well or under the house. First it was yeah, first it was under her floor. It was under her floor. And then the joke was because I made reference. Yeah after that she lived underneath his bed could see the big chicken. Yeah, so I made a joke about it, because at the time we were just thinking it's an imaginary right, yeah, and he was creeped out by it. Yeah. Well, I mean he's creeped out by a lot of things, most everything. God bless a soul. But uh no, he uh yeah, we've said that the the maginary friend lives under his bed and she. Ran with it. Yeah, I mean, because you know, everybody giggles, bubby scared. The original thing was when we asked where she's from, she said she lived under the. Floor, right yeah, and you know the way our house obviously is, which obviously you know but they don't. We have a basement on half of the house and then a cross base where the bedrooms are on the other half. Yat with the bedrooms and bathroom and stuff like that are so yeah, I've been You're like, oh, well, you know, just trying to get a feel for where this friend came from. You know, well, where does she live at? Under my floor? Oh? Oh, okay, what's her name? Chloe? And she was obsessed with Louis at the time, still is really but I'm like, oh, the Dalmatian, it's not Yeah, that's where. She got that name. Fro him big. We left it alone for a while, and then for some reason she kept talking about it again, and I decided to ask her what is Chloe? Like, what's Chloe look like? Who is she? What is she look like? Like? Oh, she's a ghost. Well she said she's purple. Well yeah, so she told me she's a ghost. Tells you she's purple. Oh no, she said to me she was a ghost. Okay, yeah, And why is she purple? Yeah? Dad, she said she's purple. I said, why is she purple? She's like, because she's a ghost. Yeah, Like, what do you mean, She's like, uh, she's dead. Yeah, And we're like, uh, hang on, you said she And then you had her draw it, like what does Chloe look like? And it was a creepy I wish we still had a purple figure with funky eyes and yeah, and then you asked, You told you didn't ask. You told her that she is to tell Chloe she is no longer welcome here and she needs to leave, right, you know. And at that time we also had noticed in the top corner of her bedroom there would be water droplets, not like droplets that are dripping, because like her bed was never wet the light underneath her bed was never wet or underneath that spot was never wet. They just were there, and we kind of said, oh, it's condensation, because you know, maybe the wind's coming from that way or whatever. And that room is always the cold dist room in the house. We've had someone go up into the attic and look and it's completely bone dry in that corner. Yeah, it could be. We're like, oh, crap, maybe the roof's leaking and there's a warranty on the metal roof, so we need to see if it's leaking. And they're like, uh, nothing leaking in here. Yeah, So you know, and the fact that it didn't drip, but we could wipe it off with a rag, it's still strange. And we bought covers for the vents to make sure it wasn't a condensation thing. We put the bed over the vents, like, and it still appears. M that's not all the time. It's not just always holding water dripping, but doesn't really drip. It literally only does it every once in a couple of months. Yeah, And you know, at first we noticed it the first time ever in the wintertime, which is where that condensation thought came from. But then we've noticed it in every season since then, and. There's no explanation as to what it's from. Or why it doesn't drip like normal water. Right. Yeah. Now, during this whole time, when this was going on, and she would come into our room or she would be staying in our room, she would tell us she had bad dreams. Yeah, and that was something I even mentioned to you, I think a couple of times, like, hey, if I used to do this all the time, like, you know, the oldest always said she had bad dreams. She had bad dreams. Even the nights that she didn't wake up screaming run into my room, she had bad dreams, right, So you know, we kind of thought it was strange that these dreams were happening to her too, But obviously everybody has bad dreams, right, you know, the way our brain unfortunately functions. But this became a very very regular thing. Yeah, and she's always wanting to be in our room. Our youngest, our son had been born just about nine months after we moved in. We moved into a smaller. House, thinking we were done having kids. And as we're moving in, you. Yeah, I don't even think we were completely moved in yet I think you guys were out in the backyard and loading stuff and I had gone to the grocery store and was like, hmm, I really want this drink. Oh crap, and that's how it went. But yeah, so, yeah, he was just born, you know, right after we moved in, and we ended up putting a pack and play in the bedroom, not for the baby, but for the toddler because she still would not sleep in her room. Right, And she started to after the whole Chloe incident. She didn't talk about Chloe anymore, but she started to talk about something else and I forget what it was, but I told her to stop talking to things. Yeah, because she was telling the other two kids about it too, and they mentioned it. That's weird why she ain't creepy, right, I. Don't even remember what. I just told her, like, you need to stop talking about it. Yeah. I don't get at these things, don't. It was something in the car, like we were in the car and she mentioned we were going to Walmart and she mentioned it and we were kind of like what, And then she mentioned it again here at the house and you were like, uh no, Like we told you, Chloe, you had to leave you nobody else is coming here either. Where did she tell us Chloe went do you remember the other side? Or she went on or something like. That, she's on the other side. Now, yeah, I say it was something really stranged. We were like, h was like the other side a lot, She's like the world. Yeah, I'm We're like, yeah, she went to the other side. Yeah. So and you know, obviously that. Three year old shouldn't know. Yeah, they like young kids, don't it's. A very stand that very weird to say certain things like that, and for anyone listening, like, oh, she's really young. You don't know our daughter she is so stink and smart. And we're not just saying because we're the parents, but like literally. I mean it's had her parent teacher conference and they were like, yeah, she's at the top, Like she is so smart. So she's always been able to talk. Yeah she was a very young age. Yeah, full sentences, yes, or she was two years old, she could have full conversation with you. Yeah. So that is why I thought it was weird when she was having these conversations with things that aren't there. Yeah, they don't exist to us at least. So. We thought we were done with all of that, I was I started doing this show. So everyone says, ooh, because of what I do. I bring in these. Vibes and you open doors, and but this. All was going on prior to me ever doing this. Yes, I've been doing this for a little over two years, and the weird stuff had been going on prior to that. Yeah, we've been here for four years. So and. Started doing this. She started having the bad dreams when she was in school. She was going to preschool at three. She loved school, still loves school, but do you remember that little bit of a phase that winter that she didn't like going She was crying a lot. They even asked her for there's many Yeah, yeah. There was something happening at home that they should be aware of or like, what's going on? And I mean, you know, we kind of tried to push it off as she's just going through an emotional three year old toddler stage because you know, they say the terrible twos treacherous threes. But this was excessive. I mean, she would just have outbursts to the point where she was un consolable, and there was no explanation as to why, at least not that we could immediately think of. Yeah, I don't. When I started doing this show, someone had sent that warning to me. And there's some random person on a Facebook comment that I don't know, but they claim when you they worried about me and my family. And I said, what do you mean? And they said, well, when you start looking into things, things start looking back. And I didn't take any believable credibility or anything about that, because we. Literally laughed about it, like when you came upstairs and you were telling me, because you know, you used to record in the garage and then in the basement all that stuff. You told me about it, and I was like, oh my gosh, Like, how ridiculous. They're trying to scare you. Noah, it didn't work. Here we are two years later. Yeah, Like but they tend to agree though, no, I absolutely do. Yeah, Like my perspective has changed a lot, because when I started doing the show, I didn't imagine here I am one hundred and fifty something episodes into it already, that this would be where it's even at today. But not even that. But like, my whole believable side is whatever. Like I had my own opinions. I'm very skeptical, but I'm a lot more open to things now than I ever have been, and I don't know how to go about it. And like I said, you don't want to believe No. Okay, that makes it real. I'm not saying that they don't exist, but I refuse to say yes. You don't want to give it power. Yeah, we've had this conversation. I have a lot. So after the whole incident went by, I kind of put this show on the back burner for a little bits. That's when I was doing my six Months, wasn't it. Well. I'd stopped recording in March and I didn't start back up till July. Yeah, so about four months. But I was doing the other show, but I had so many of these episodes banked. I didn't do the interviews, but I still was releasing stuff up until the end of April. So there was like a three month gap of me not doing stuff. Everything seemed to be okay, No, it. Was normal, like they didn't her dreams were better. So I was just going to be done because I felt like maybe this was my fault, and as a parent, you don't want to do that type of stuff. But then for some reason, the show had started gaining a lot of traction, and people started messing me when you're going to release new stuff, new stuff? Someone wanted to come on the show. I had people reaching out to me, so I said, all right, well I'll start it back up and we'll see what happens. And for several months everything was fine, there were no issues, and then our oldest decided to bring people over last about a year ago now and what do they what do they decide to do? Well, so we were upstairs again. Our oldest kids rooms are in the basement, you know, like he said, We did move into a smaller house and then found out we were having another kid, so had to add some bedrooms and one of them so my son had, you know, nobody here, so he wanted to hang out with his sister and her friends. So he decided to help. And they come up and like, do you have any candles? And I'm like, no, not really, but I have this one. Like it doesn't smell good necessarily because I thought they wanted candles to make the basement smell better. And anybody who has teenagers will understand where my thought process came from. There he need your stink. And we had four of them downstairs. So I was like, yeah, here's the scandal, like whatever, and you know, you said, I hope I'm not doing anything stupid. The I be doing a friggin seance, was Mike exact word. Okay, well again, anything is stupid. And I'm like, oh no, they wouldn't do that. And within two minutes you're here screeching. I mean, these girls hit. I'm having sure my son wasn't included in that high pitch wheel. I'm sure he was high pitch screams, and then you know, people running up the stairs and they didn't, but yeah, he caught. I know, he came upstairs and they're like, oh my god, we had this. And Brandon goes downstairs and and like what are you doing? And they're like, well, you're making a Oigi board and we had these pencils and the candles and da da da da, and they move and then Brandon of course lit into them about how stupid that was, and you know the dangers of doing a Oiji board and what it could open and things like that, and of course that's geared them. Those bless those two girls hearts. They've never been back one. So you know, afterwards, They're like, oh, no, no, no, no, we blew on it. Yeah, that's actually what happened. We blew the pencils. It didn't actually move. And I told them it didn't matter whether you were you blow it or not, Like you're still doing something you shouldn't have been doing, and you're going to open a doorway and these things will follow you for the rest of your life. So you're going to be haunted forever by these demons that you're bringing over to this side. And they said, yeah, we ain't never come back af good day, good at bout. I said, that's fine, you take them to your house. Yeah, I don't want them here. Yeah. So yeah, that was jokingly. We were like we should have went and messed with the breaker and like really got them. But after that happened, it was probably another month or so later. We're getting around November, and then stuff started to happen again. And it was not stuff that I thought was anything house related at first, because you remember when we saw the thing out in the field. Yeah, well, and before that we were convinced that there was like flying saucers or something and end up being starlink. No, that was when you were moved. Yeah, yeah, well do something out back. Yeah. And then the light that randomly floated. Out in the out past, yeah, the orange light. And I've criticized people on this show, not like a guest, but I've made references to people I don't understand, like we all have phones. Everybody walks around with a phone that has a camera on it in their pocket. Are we not taking a picture? You say, you see it, take a picture? What the hell would we do? We stood out there, got there and stared and watched it. Never once thought about recording. We watched it. It was almost like and I even actually joked about this, when you know, we talked, well, I talked about it with one of my sisters. I was like, hey, what's almost like we were too engaged in it to even think about anything other than what the frick is that thing? Yeah, because again my first thought process is when I see things, I got to document it. And I never or I yelled for you guys to come outside, and we did. Yeah, we all saw it, but then it was just gone. I mean literally it was there. We're staring at it. We're like trying to figure out where that could be, like, what could have possibly made it happen, and then it was gone. It looked like slowly moved up and then finished. It looked like a flare, but flares wouldn't have went up like it was hovering in the same way. You go up first and then. Yeah, but it would have been in the same spot for a while. We watched it for like five to ten minutes, and then it moved over and up just a little bit and then just disappeared. No, it's gone. So I thought it was a flare, if for intense purposes or whatever. I was always going to say it's just a flare, because that's me being skeptical about anything else. But I don't really think it was a flare. Yeah. Well, and we even asked, you know, your parents, who don't live too far from here, have you seen anything like straight and there of course no. Well that started off some of the weirdness because a couple weeks later, our youngest, all of a sudden, who has slept in his own room the entire basically his whole life of two and a half years, that is life he stayed in his room. He starts screaming and wants to come in our room because of what ghosts. And if anyone knows this child, he is a complete opposite of our daughter. She could talk on complete sentences. He barely spoke. He's just learning to speak now at three years old. And of all words, for him to say ghost is a very very weird one because we don't watch anything with ghosts with him. He doesn't watch anything like that, Like he was a huge like I don't know, So for me, it's very. He's very easily like scared by even like shows that are sounding like they might be scary, even like the cartoons for kids like, so we never watched that kind of stuff around him. Yeah, So for him to say ghost was just award. Yeah. And then he comes in our room, lays down and you know where, getting everybody set up back in, going back to sleep, and he patting on you dunny, daddy ghost daddy ghosts, and we're like what We're roll over and he's planning and looking at the ceiling. We're like, he asked me, like what is he looking at? Like I'm not looking. I was still laying the other way. I didn't want to look. I didn't want to. See it well, And so I was like, oh, it must be the shadow from the fan because you know, gotta have a fan, and the fan had the light, and uh, I covered that, and he was still ghosts, day ghosts, and so of course we're like, oh my gosh. And then he asked for you to go get him milk and you'd left the room. And this was a couple hours later. Yeah. Well yeah, so everybody did eventually somewhat go to sleep. I say somewhat because this child never sleeps. He goes and gets milk. I said, day ghost gone ghost gombe daddy. Now mind you the like you know, light in the fan that I had tried to. Cover still there. Everything was still there, like everything was the same, nothing changed. Oh, day ghost comb Now I did happen to notice something now and I made you do it, like move it. But what was on the wall, the exterior wall, the exterior wall of the house was a an old. Mirror that I had gotten from my grandparents and it had only been there for a couple of days prior to his ghost. And then I started to correlate things like please move that mirror. Yeah, because you said to me about like you know, they say exterior while it's having mirrors on them, could you know, be like a portal of some sort or something. For anyone listening. You're gonna do the idea. Now that I am the crazy dad, I am the person that is very superstitious these days. Back in the old days, I wouldn't think of anything like this because I didn't believe in any of this stuff. But the last seventeen years I changed my perspectives a lot because of life. Yeah, seeing things that shouldn't. Exist, life changing somehow. But about a week or so after this started happening, I got home from work and you were at work before anyone had gotten home, and I noticed our dog was chewing on something. So I'm trying to see what she's eating, and she drops a tooth. So I'm like, why is she losing peace? I started looking at her mouth. I don't see any spots where she's missing a twos. I checked the other dog. I don't see any spots for she would have been missing it till she was missing teeth. But it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't. It didn't look like a dog. Looks like a kid too, So I was like, did one of the kids lose a tooth? And like the tooth fairy quote, Unbo didn't take it. Right and yeah, and you know, obviously you saved it until I got home. Yeah, and you were showing me. But uh, you know the first thing I did, because I'm a parent, and you know, those first lost teeth, you got to like savor that for a while. But those were still there, Like the ones that I personally had saved from our other children, those are still exactly aware. And you know there's still four of them, two from each of them. They're still there. So I was like, well, that's really monky. And you left it on the counter and I was like, uh, how about not? And I threw it in the trash because I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Yeah, And then two days later, I have video. I don't delete things on my phone, which she's also think is strange. Well, it's not that I think it's strange because I don't delete a lot of things, but like when it's a video or a picture of the exact same thing fifteen times in a row, you could probably just save one. Yeah, I get that, But like I take photos and recordings and I don't delete stuff. So I have all this documented. This is my own craziness way of going about things. But I recorded him, our youngest on the couch. He'd come running out from the back room area and was saying, daddy, ghost ghosts. He's pointing ghost out, Hey, ghost out. And you could tell by watching him and his mannerisms. And do you sent me this video? I went home, I don't think. Yeah, out with friends. Yeah, all the weird stuff happens when I'm here by myself. I'm telling you. So everything happened with right. And he's freaking out because there is a ghost and he. Crawl up on a couch in that video with you and it's like cut it up behind you. Yeah, because of something. Yeah, it scared him from that back area. So I didn't see anything, nothing strange, And I think it was honestly. A few days before this happened is when we were coming home from the schools like winter carnival, and. We saw it, Oh yeah, loading outside off front. Another set of weird lights. Well, and we tried to get a picture of video and nothing would show up. Well, you I gave you my phone. I remember this time. I gave you the phone to record it. You hit record and then you hit recording game. So we hit a bump and then you didn't really record. Then you start recording again, and by the time and we started recording again, it fades out and once we got in the driveway, it's gone gone. Yeah, but I'm saying, like, you know, we tried, but it was like we couldn't get it. No matter what we did, we couldn't get it. Like we saw that the four way stop sign, and I'm like, I'm not It was only like a couple weeks prior that. I was like, we didn't record the last time we saw something weird, so I'm definitely gonna record it now. And by the time we got to actually recorded it, is it fun? What the hell was that? No idea? Is that related to any of the stuff. Who knows. But right after the whole ghost incident, I honestly think it was the very next day because that happened on a Friday. The next day would have been Saturday, because that Sunday we had Christmas with your. Family, yep, and we were telling him about it. Well, that was the day that I had woken up. I'd had that dream where these little pink you used to have it pisses. Me off, I referenced earlier. Alien not nufucting. You're not even in your. Dreams we are. I don't find it amusing. I'm glad you do. My son is screaming help, he's screaming for daddy. Daddy in these pink, little f nless she looking probably three foot tall, humanoid looking figures are taking him away, and he's screamed for me. And I'm kicking, I'm punching, and I'm going after all these things to try and get to my son. And one of them comes up to me and touches my nostril. And as she's over here laughing for anyone listening, like she's just like losing it because she thinks this is just hilarious. I think the next part is the funny part. It isn't funny like you're laughing, because it's a nervous laugh. But do you look like you know me? And I wake up instantly and he's not next to us. He'd was sleeping in her bed. He'd crawled under the covers and went to the foot of the bed. Has that ever happened before or after? But he's went under the cover, not under the covers. Yeah, No, he's never until just recently started moving. Yeah, and he's picky about blankets, so he would never go under our covers anyways. Right, so I had to get him out from under the coverage he's down by her feet and bring him up between us, and somehow I fell back to sleep. And then the next morning, when I'd gotten up and went to the bathroom, I had to look in the mirror and what was on the nostril blood? Why is that funny to you? I don't know, like, and you're still laughing about this? And I told her about the dream. Now, mind you, I'm not the only one who laughed like my family about this whole family, and my whole family is like, you're a psycho. And I said, maybe it wasn't a dream, and you're all a bunch of freaking idiots. Well maybe, but maybe if I didn't laugh about it, it won't be real. That's my maca. Yeah, you're also the person that's shut my arm and a door before and you laugh, he said, you close my hand in a window and laugh like this is her, This is my. Making with them. He was choking at dinner the back door. I used to be in MS for I had my license for twelve years, did in MS and fire, and I cackling. He's literally across the table noticeably choking, Like I mean, it was very clear he was choking, and I couldn't help a laugh at him. So it's a very nervous coping habit. Anytime I get hurt or she does something, or if I'm apparently dying, I guess I'm screwed because the person that's been trained to save people is not going to save because she's just going to laugh. Don't worry, people that are listening, I'll save you, but for him, I'm just gonna laugh. Yeah. So they had a great laugh at my bloody nostril. But probing of aliens up your nose. Explain to me, though, how that happen? Why was I dreaming all of that? This is how I have explained it to you and how I will convince myself for the rest of my life. In your dream, they're poking you in the nose. So you used your own finger and poked yourself in the nose, and. It's totally the inside of My nose wasn't bloody. No, it's just the outside. But in my brain that's how we're going to process. The crusty blood was on the outside of my nose, on the rim of my nose, inside my nose, there was no blood again. And there was that blood on your pillow or anything. So like again, I have to convince myself. So we go on vacation, we come back, and I didn't even tell you this for a couple of days because I didn't want to freak out that and I was already kind of still mad at you over the whole laughing at my dreams. But where we keep all of our drinks. At in the fridge in the garage. So I woke up in the middle night and my throat fell dry, and I went out to the garage and as I'm coming back. In, I was this your little shadow pigure. Yes, yeah, spoiler alert, yeah, sorry, And I see about a fifteen inch little shadow running down the hallway and ran right into our daughter's room where it's always the creepy room. And I just haul ass into her bedroom and I see nothing. She's sound asleep. This is one of the weird times that she was actually sleeping in her room. And be honest, she's knock on wood. Yeah, we've gotten to a good spot. She's been staying in her room without any issues, and she doesn't even want lights on. She's the only kid in our house. Kid shoot or okay, you especially want a light on. I live with a bunch of chickens and my daughter is the only one that is not afraid of the dark. Listen, if any of you have ever watched the movie Tooth Fairy, you understand me. Tooth Fairy Darkness Falls is about a tooth fairy darkness false. Okay, listen, it's scary. But anyways, I don't get to watch a lot of scary movies because if that's the movie that scares the crap out of her, you know I'm a huge horror fan. I don't get to our first date. You made me watch it and I hit basically under the blankets eighty percent of that or behind you. Yeah, but anyways, I see this shadow, I run in there, I don't find it. I don't say anything to you for a couple of days, and then there's really not much going on. And then sometime in February, the oldest son starts yelling at the dog because it's eating something. Yeah, but you know she's notorious for finding anything and chewing on so. He gets her mouth open and a tooth falls out, and I go pick up the tooth and I'm like, oh, there's that tooth again. And then you're just literally sitting in the chair and I could see the color of your face completely like disappear, which for anyone that has ever seen you, you're not very colorful. You're you're you're pretty pasty. Yeah. Yeah, so well, I remember I felt immediately nauseous, like you were like, oh, look there's that tooth again. What like immediately wanted to throw up. And I said, no, I threw that tooth away, and you were like, oh, maybe you thought you didn't you just you did it Like, no, I threw the tooth away. I took the trash out, like I know that toothpoint in the trash. And I have photos of this tooth from when we found it in December and into February, and if you look at the photos, it is the same exact tooth because there's a little crack broke part to it and it's identical. Literally, yeah, and it is. There's no way that it's not an animal tooth. Like we've even showed it to other people and they're like, yeah, that's definitely like an insider tooth they did a small child, small tooth. Where's these teeth or where's this tooth coming? Or how did it return? And this is where my mind starts wandering, because I was talking to my friend, which people listen on here knows ed. He said that there's probably a. Berry call somewhere. Yeah, the dog keeps fine. It's like it's the same tooth. So I went outside and I dug around looking for where the dog goes to see if I could find anything. And I don't see anything out there. But I was like, is there a dead baby, like a dead little kid somewhere on this property? And that's why we keep experiencing this stuff, And that would explain why I'm seeing small little shadows and why she's talking about this little thing, and why I'm seeing small little things trying to take our kids, Like is there something out here like that? But then we started to have other things happening that we've had happened that I've never paid attention to until recently. But where the hells all of our silverware go? Yeah? So I joked, I don't think it's a couple of months ago, I joked that I've never had like a full set of silverware since we've lived here. Like when we first moved here, I bought like a buttload and you know, it's it's the forks, the spoon, it's that, and everybody ahaha, everybody was just silverware. No, like it's just gone. It's not in the kidd's rooms. It's not it's it's gone. And then all of a sudden, I pulled open the or and there's like an abundance back and. It's all there. Yeah, I've heard all they come back from. Yeah, Like as soon as we mentioned that it's gone, that we noticed that we are really low on silverware, and we talked about going and buying more. It's back. Just boom, it's back. So I took the tooth and I went down the road and I chucked it over into the field and I said that if it comes back again, probably just gonna burn the house down. We're not really going to do that insurance company. So if it happens, it was I'm joking, but like, I don't know what to do. And I went through the house multiple times. I've tried to bless the house. I've said religious stuff, I've done all sorts of things and I don't know what we can possibly do. We've had people supposed to come pray for the plaaff or whatever. I don't know anything that could help. But everything was fine for a while until about June. Someone had actually asked me on another show, is there been anything going on in the house. Reasoningly, I said no, Honestly. I was like, since I got rid of that too, I said, we haven't had any sort of issues. Very next day, I'm down in the basement recording. You jinxed it. That's what happened. He talked about how it was going great. You asked me to go out and put the chickens up. How long does that take it to do? Like maybe a five minute maybe. I come back down into the basement and I noticed that there is a fly sitting dead on my desk. I'm like, I didn't think a whole lot about it, Like what's weird? And I just started editing again. I look over, there's another one, and I just started to look around all the way around my desk. I have a wrap around desk. There were literally twenty seven dead flies, dead green metallic flights on my desk. They weren't on the floor. They weren't anywhere else. And there's a lot of stuff down there, like you know, we have my tables and desks and stuff over across you have boxes. There's no flies on any of that. Now, someone could say like, oh, there's just flies or whatever. But I was just down there and I didn't notice them, but they were literally right where my hands were, and I would have noticed all those slides. Once I started seeing all of them, I kind of got weirded out because where the hell they come from? And I collected them all. I put them in a cuff for the lid, and I put them out in the garage, and I am very disappointed to let everyone know that they're now. Okay, you did not take them to the garage. You said, I'm gonna put these in the garage, and y'all left them on the kitchen counter in the tubbleware container. And I said, this is disgusting and not going to be on my counter. And I gave you two days and then I threw it away. So my flies that I was collecting for evidence purposes, she threw away. Did could you let them on my counter? Yeah, I've been asked by someone to go out in the fields and find the tooth so I can send it to them for DNA analysis, And they told me to take the dog because the dog's already found it twice. It's like, I'm not going out into a cornfield looking for a tooth. Well, I don't even know that I would call it a cornfield because it's more like a nature reserve. Kin. Yeah, I don't know what you would consider. It's just overrun area, like it's not. It doesn't get tilled up, so yeah, it might still be out there, but I don't know I'm going to find it. I'm not trying to bring it back exactly. So I don't know of anything weird happening since that point except for now that I'm out here in this barn, and then we've had weird stuff like your cameras noticed nourity cameras in the barn and it always detect movement. Well, since it's been out here, I hadn't detected anything in that one day that we weren't actually home. It's detected in the records. There is a shadow the moves, which there's curtains in here, so where did the shadow even come from? And this shirt on the wall starts to move, but I want to say the air conditioner kicked on and made everything to start moving. But when I got home, the air conditioner was on auto run like auto like it wasn't auto. Was just on like it's on constant run. Yeah, it was not shutting off like it was just always running. So why was it the thing not blowing the whole time? And then all of a sudden, the shadow moves and now starts moving, so it's like and the thing starts moving in the direction of the shadow, went like you see the shadow move, and then like three or four seconds later. The Yeah, we didn't even notice the shirt on the wall. First. Yes, someone else had pointed that out. We noticed the one like behind the camera where you could see the shadow start from, Like, we noticed that one, but we didn't notice the shirt until somebody else said it. Yeah, so there's that. And then now that I'm out here, I hear random noises out in the corner. I heard them yesterday. It was kind of creepy, but I just was saying it. I was saying it was a deer probably, or bunnies or you know whatever. I just heard the corn wrestling, So yeah, I will come out here at like eleven o'clock a night from doing interviews, and I hear noises in the corners like man, I'm waiting for dog man or whatever. I'm running out at me. And then I'm I getting to a death battle because I'm not running from and I'm running. To it and I am not coming to help you dark out here. Yeah, so yeah, I'll be laughing. But that pretty much is the gist of yeah, you were weird stuff and that Jerry that I had interviewed, which was on previously, So for this Halloween special episode, you've got to hear two different interviews. But the similarities are kids are creepy, especially little girls. Little girls Yeah, that have run ends with little things. We don't know what they are, things that don't make any sense. So I would say thanks for actually being involved. Hey, you're welcome. People might see her at some of the conventions and stuff that I've been at, but she doesn't even listen to my show. She's not I'm just here for support, you know. If I'm there, make sure you still come say hi. I'll say hi back. I'll probably be the one to talk to you, not him. Honestly, Yeah, you're more outgoing than I am, yes, which is funny that I do a show. Yes. Yeah, I do want to say though, like, even though you're obviously listening to this, please don't message me with your creepy stories. Please don't message him. I've had somebody do that and it really creeps me out. Yeah, so leave my wife alone. I guess. Yeah, I've listened to my story. It's fine, but yeah, keep messaging him. Well, I want to say, thanks for being supportive wife. You are and come I here and letting the audience hear something not just for me for once. Yeah, you'retion to my craziness. I can't validate that. But on that note, we're gonna wrap this one up. So I hope everyone enjoyed this extended Halloween episode. So thanks to Jerry, thanks to Emily, and thanks for listening. And that's the show everyone. 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