Ep. 165: Floating Black Mass Above My Face

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us, and one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tals. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. To night's episode. We're gonna be joined by my guest, Jason. I met Jason and Tennessee when I was recording with Tony Merkle at the Confessionals. Jason happened to walk in. 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But and I was recording an interview with Tony Merkle from The Confessionals podcast and Jason came in and talk about coming on. You got a podcaut come here. I was like, I kind of felt a little awkward in someone else's podcast studio and some guys asking to come on my show. I was like, this is weird, but small, small little world of podcasting. You run into other people to do podcasts with someone else's podcasting studios. Yeah, it's it's weird. So I started the podcast because of Tony and it always kind of went through there actually work for Merkele Media. I am the producer of Hammer Lean Legend, which is Tony's dad show. Okay, so yeah, I don't have a producer. I'm not cool enough for that. I produce all my own stuff. Yeah. I had someone message me the other day and asked if I needed help, if I needed an editor, if I needed to produce anything like that. They're like, they're reasonable rated and stuff. I was like, man, I don't even hardly break even as it is. I can't afford to pay somebody. Hell, I know, right, I wish I could pay someone to help me out, but right I cannot. Before we dive into it. And you want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself and your podcast and everything else before we jump in the conversation. Yeah, sure, Okay, guys, my name is Jason. I am from the Image of the Invisible Podcast and my co host you may know him. He went by exploring with Phil. He was a YouTube guy, but lately I don't know if anyone well, by the time this airs, it'll have already happened. But he actually closed down all of his YouTube stuff and shut down his Instagram. I'll get into why here in a minute, but yeah, so right now he is exclusive my co host for Image of the Invisible. So Image of the Invisible kind of came about. I was part of another podcast called AFK Discussions and my co host had a kid, and Phil joined on when of my costs left and we kind of felt, like, you know, it was it was kind of going a weird route and some stuff kind of started spiraling, so we decided to kind of just start new. So we rebranded, and thus you have Image of the Visible. And you are from Tennessee right from Bill is in Massachusetts. Yeah, yeah, he's in Massachusetts. How did you guys come about meeting? Oh man, it's so weird. Let me let me start off by let me there's a there's kind of a story to all of this of how I got started podcasting. So, and it's weird. I don't know how many of your listeners believe in God. I believe in God. I am a Christian, and I believe all of this happened for a purpose. And you'll see why. It's very weird. So I this is about up two years ago. I think maybe twenty twenty twenty twenty one, I'm listening to Confessionals and Tony's like, hey, you know, I'm I'm going to be moving out of the Philly area. And something just told me is like he's moving to Tennessee and you're going to be friends with him. And I was like, you know, I was like, my mind's just playing tricks on me. It's just you know whatever. You know, I've listened to Tony forever. There's no way, you know, so you know, it progressed, and then you know, eventually he said I'm moving to Tennessee and I was like, holy crap, no, it is no no. And then comes to find out that, you know, he moves within, you know, thirty minutes of where I live. And so I'm also I'm a graphic designer. That's what I do for my nine to five jobs. So I started designing some T shirt designs and I sent him his way and he was like, dude, this is awesome, you know, and then we kind of I've started chatting back and forth, like via text message, and he was like, you're in Tennessee and I was like, yeah, I lived like twenty minutes like from where you're at where you're at. He's like, really, like, when'd you come over my studio? And this was like at midnight, and I'm like, I told my wife. She was already in bed, and I was like, Babe, I'm gonna drive to Tony's studio. She's like, are you sure You've never met this guy? Are you sure? I was like, yeah, I'm going to go. So I went over there and he was actually setting up the studio. I got over there, we met, we hung out. I started helping him build chairs, and it's kind of history right, you know there, and we started talking and he was like, so, you know, you know, what do you do? And I told him I was like, you know, I'd really like to do a podcast sometime. He was like, man, if you're going to do a podcast, just do it. And it may have not been the next day, but within a few days I went out and bought all the equipment that he recommended, and I worked with this guy Tie and it's like, hey, dude, you want to do a podcast. He's like sure, And so we started podcasting and I posted stuff on YouTube or not YouTube, on Instagram about you know, just kind of getting started, you know, of trying to get followers and stuff, and Phil started following me. And I didn't know who Phil was at all, and I just like send him an advice, like, hey, man, I saw some of your exploring videos and stuff. Do you want to come on the podcast. He's like sure, yeah, So he came on the podcast and then he came down to visit, like him and his fiance at the time, they came to Tennessee not to see me, just came to Tennessee to like go to Dolly Wood and you know, visit you know, mountains and stuff. And he was like, Hey, I'm going to be in town. So I was like, okay, that's cool, you know, doanting a hangout or something. And he's like sure. So I go and meet with him and we ended up doing a ghost hunt, which the ghost hunt kind of changed both of our lives honestly, and I'll get into that in a second, but you know, I was like talking to Tony and I was like, yeah, this guy Phil came down exploring with Phil and he goes Phil you know last name. I'm not going to say his life just in case, you know, he is what his last name said, and I was like, yeah, he goes. I went to college with that guy. I was like, that's crazy. And then you know, Phil, you will, you know, become my co host to the podcast. And yeah, it's it's just a bunch of coincidences that seems, you know, too good to be true, or you know, like this little voice which I like to think, you know, is God leading me in this direction, you know, I mean it all happened the way it was, you know, sad. So yeah, it is right in front of me. You have a cat, it's like my cat. I have two black cats. I found the cats. I have two cats and two dogs and four children and all sorts of random things that go on around here. So there's that. So yeah, you like me, I have three kids or cats and a rabbit. Well used to have rabbits, but I ended up catching most of them because the people that had this place before we did, they had like pet rabbits, but they were not like domesticated in the sense they just would buy them and release them out back in the property. So they just kept breeding and breeding and breeding. So when we first moved in, there were just rabbits upon rabbits upon rabbits, and I ended up catching most of them and kind of got rid of themcause they were destroying so much stuff, which inside, yeah, these were living under the deck. My dogs kept trying to eat them. They started tonne ling and started making the bait baseman leak and all sorts of stuff. So man, that's not good. Yeah, but no, it is interesting how everyone starts with the shows for podcasting, because again for me, like the first podcast I'd ever listened to, and I don't remember the name of it because well, the first would be Joe Rogan just because he had a biblesar on. Yeah, this was in twenty nineteen, and I listened to that episode because I've always been fascinated with all this type of stuff, especially bibbles are So I listened to that and that's about the only extent I've ever knew of what a podcast was. And then I was doing band stuff, so someone from a band asked me if I wanted to come on this podcast that they did really talk to bands. So we set it up and it didn't happen because the world shut down in twenty twenty. Yeah, it was scheduled for like April of twenty twenty, and while we couldn't do anything at that point. The last show that we ever played was March in twenty twenty and Annapolis, two nights before Lockdown, So that was the end of the band ask stuff. Yeah, but my buddy and I we talked a lot about conspiracy stuff, how the world was going, and that's how the whole podcast thing for me kind of came about. But the first podcast to really listen to was Wes Germer's show, Sasquatch Chronicles, and the very first episode was that judge that was on there talking about this dog man thing, and for me, it just resonated because of my own personal experience. I was like, wait a minute, they talk about stuff like this and they really got me going. And that's how I come across Tony Show like a couple of weeks later, and I started listening to Tony Show and from there it's just kind of like, this is what I want to do. And I sat on it for like a couple of years and didn't start till like twenty twenty two. But going to Tony Show and I've been on Sasquatch Chronicle, I've been on this past year. I keep getting asked to go on this show, go on this show, and this show. I feel like I've been on too many shows. So I've told people I don't want to go on shows anymore because I've been on so many. I don't like being the person like say no, it's like, oh, you asked me to come on your show. Sure, because I feel honest, you want to talk to me. So it's like I'm a nobody guy and someone wants to talk to me. Sure. But now it's like, I mean, I don't like talking about myself. Yeah, so for anyone listening, if you have a podcast, you want me to be a guest, I'll come on and talk about stuff. But I don't want to talk about my own stuff. So I get that. But man, so I like to talk. I just like to talk. So but I have stories that you know, I think people could relate to and maybe have gone through that. I just like people to hear. And the more people that I can get to hear my story, the better. I think. That's why you were like, I have a podcast. It's like, dude, I'll come on. Just tell me when. I'm always down to talk with anybody, and everybody, like I said, anyone ever asked me to come on their shows or whatever, I've always said yes, I just I felt terrible, but like two weeks ago someone asked me and I said not right now, and I felt bad, Like, man, I don't like telling people know. But I was like, just wait till next year, like give me a few months, so it'll kind of whatever, because I don't care if they're a huge show, if there are literally have two listeners to me, it's just like someone wants to talk to me. I feel honored to talk to someone because I know what it was like starting out trying to find guests. I also know what it's like to be I'm bombarded with stuff. I don't want to try something like a douchey bragger, but like I'm looked out till February at this point. So it's like I've had and that's three or four interviews a week. Like, I don't know how I managed to be one hundred percent honest without driving my wife crazy because I do this almost every night out in my makeshift studio, barring out here. So props to her ban my support, yeah, letting. Me out same here, same you know, props to my wife also. They let us get out that creative need. I think anyone that used to be a musician and not doing the band stuff has to have some sort of creative outlet. That's my excuse at least. Yeah, definitely. Well it's kind of you know, I do the graphic design stuff, so I mean it's just I'm my brain is just wired for creativity and any way any way I can be creative. I want to be creative, you know, I get it. Yeah, if you want to dive on into what you're wanting to talk about, we can. I apologize to the audience. I was just told the other day that I take too long to get to the stories. No one cares about all this stuff. I was like, you know what, it's my show. That's right. You can take as long as you want. Man, all right, guys, So I'll just dive right in. So I'm going to start like from the very beginning. Okay. So from a young age, like it seemed like weird things happened around me. My grandmother. My mother told me that when I was around I guess one ish, I was at a high chair at the table and they heard laughing and talking coming from around me, but there was nothing there. So that is weird, right, They didn't really expand that's all I got. I didn't get anything else other than that. So let's fast fast forward. So this would be probably eighth grade, seventh, eighth grade, junior high, or middle school as they call it here in Tennessee. I had some friends over. It was my birthday, and one of my friends woke up like screaming, saying that there was a giant black rat setting on his face. Right and our house, you know, we didn't have rats, and let alone a giant black rat, you know. And so he woke up screaming, and he said, like it disappeared, and he was just freaked out, and he you know, had to call his mom to come get him. And it was it was like a whole thing. So I didn't really think anything of it, right, So a few years later I started having I don't, I don't know what you would call it, I guess experiences where I would wake up at night and there would be this black I guess ball. I like, I referred to it as a black mass. If you can imagine the way I describe it is, if you can imagine what a tumbleweed looks like and imagine that in like twisting and turning and undulating, kind of like the tentacles from Venom, you know, and having that like blacker than black above your face. Like the lights would be off of my room, I wouldn't be pitch black in there, because you know, there's lights from outside and stuff. But I would wake up and I would see this floating over my face and it would terrify me. And this wasn't something that happened just once. It was a regular occurrence, and it got to the point where it would make me so angry that I would like punch at it, you know, because I mean it was like bothering me when I was asleep, and it wouldn't let me sleep. I would not get a good night's sleep. And every night that had happened, I would swat at it or punch at or something, and it would fly away into the corner of my room and disappear. This went on for years, I think, until I moved out of my parents' house it happened. I still don't know what it was. And the thing, I've never heard a story like mine, except there was. I don't know if it's an overtime episode, but maybe not. It was on Tony's show I can't remember what episode it was, but there was a lady from Australia. She had a very similar experience, except she she described it a little different, but it makes sense that it kind of would be the same thing. She said, if you took you know, if you say you had an aquarium, dropped ink into it, you know, ink would go down and kind of swirls and make a pattern. So that I was like, man, that's a good way to describe that. So she said it would come and it would appear to her and it would fly to the corner of her room, but then it would change into a figure. And I didn't experience a figure, but I did experience this thing nightly, and it is very disturbing, and it just kind of I don't, I don't, I don't know. I would say, opened my eyes to the world of the unseen, I guess you would say. And I've been interested in it ever since. So let's let's I want to skip forward some because I want to get to the very interesting stuff. When that was, when it was, It started whenever I was, I guess in eighth grade, and it lasted all the way through high school in some of college because I lived in my parents' house till I graduated. But it was always, like I say, nightly, I used to say not all the time back I don't know if I'm remembering him that correctly. Like if I had people over my house, like stay over or something, you know, it wouldn't happen. It was only when I was by myself. But it was like no one else experienced it except for me, which is which is another weird thing, Like my parents never saw anything. But I mean to this day, to well, I say, to this day. My dad passed away four years ago now I guess it was nineteen when he passed away, And up until I sold that house, I got just weird feelings going in that room. It was just I didn't like it. I ended up selling the house. I didn't make any money off of it. I just like, I just can't deal with it. So I actually had a friend that flips houses, and I was like, just you know, you can, you know, pay me what it's worth and then you can just flip it, and you know you can, you can take all the money from it. I just don't want to do it. So he cleaned everything out and threw away everything, and you know, which was awesome because you know it's I mean, no, losing your parents is one thing, but you know, like having some sort of a weird, ghostly traumatic experience and you know, having to go up there and clean it out, you know, I just I didn't want to do it, you know. But yeah, so that is you know what kind of got me into this whole thing, this whole I guess, into the unknown. I guess is the only thing I could call it. Right. So I got married and everything everything was fine. There was I wasn't you know, experiencing anything. It seemed like, you know, every like I was free from it. Right. So my wife and I we we had a condo. Everything was fine. Nothing ever really happened in the condo, and then we bought our first house. We had two kids at the time, and my son kept saying that he saw his grandfather in the backyard. My my parents were still alive at the time, and there was nobody in our backyard. They kept saying, this is my grandfather, and it was just weird. You know, he's like maybe three at the time, you know, just barely's talking, you know, mm hmm. And we were like, what, there's nobody there, and you know, it kind of creeped us out, and then I started having I don't know if it's it's hard to explain, like I would wake up from a dream or wake up from sleep and I would see things in the room, and I am very I'm still kind of skeptical about it, but it was very real, you know, like I would wake up and I saw this creature. What I can only describe. This is another Spider Man reference. I'm a nerd, honestly, so I'm a big Marvel nerd. So anyway, so it looked like the green Goblin from Spider Man, the you know, the original green Goblin, like the real goblin face if you think of like Lord of the Rings goblins and stuff. That's what it looked like, pointing ears point oh's green. It was just like sitting, you know, crisscross apple sauce on the foot of our bed and just watching asleep and terrified me. And then it would just dissipate, you know, gone, And I told my wife and she was, you know, was like, oh, you're just dreaming, you know, I was like, but I was fully awake. I sat up in bed and I saw this and then it just dissipated, and she was like, no, it's it's it's you know, it's nothing. And then I would, you know, wake up and I would see like it looked like a little old lady standing next to the bed, and I did take a swing at that thing. So let me I will tell you, if you wake me up when I'm asleep, I will take a swing at you. Because some of my best friends I grew up with, they used to torture me because I would always be the first person to fall sleep, like if we're watching movies or something, I would fall asleep and they would, you know, just torture me and wake me up suddenly. And I got to the point where I would just come up swinging. But anyways, so yeah, so that went on at that house, and it didn't happen all the time. It was very sporadically. Then we sold that house, we moved into the house where we live in currently, and everything just kind of ramped up like ten times, maybe one hundred times. So we I was we were sitting this I guess this was the first instances. We were sitting in the living room and we heard something walking up the stairs and I was like, did you hear them. I was like yeah, and I was like, you think it's the cats. And all the cats were with us in the living room, and my big cat, to Challa, he's is huge. He's look, he's a black cat, but he's like the size of a panther, small panther. He was actually walking around, like looking around the house like what, you know, like he heard it too, and it was it was bizarre. We were like, what is that? You know, kind of freaked us all out. My kids, luckily, they didn't really pay attention. We were trying not to, you know, bring attention to it. And then my wife we went out to dinner. We got a babysitter and we went out to dinner. We're just you know, chit chatting over dinner. My wife's like saying that she felt it felt like something was walking on her bed and I was like, I've been feeling that too, and she's like, yeah. I got up and there was no cats in our room. You know, the cats were all outside, and I was like yeah, and we both described it as it felt like stick legs like walking on our bed too. I pedal also, and she was like, it's it's so weird and it's like yeah, and it really freaked us out, and so I snore, and so sometimes I would, you know, I would stay up and watch TV, let her go to sleep first, and she would start feeling the bed vibrate, like it was like a constant little vibration it was going on. And I never felt the vibration, but it freaked her out, like hardcore. So we we went on vacation and we were we so I'm I'm a Cherokee descent, and we went to Oklahoma because my descendants they not Mamma descends, I'm the people I'm descended from the tribe the Cherokees. But my great I think it's five great grandfathers was on the it was part of the Trail of Tears. So we went out there to Oklahoma to kind of, you know, visit the area that you know, they settled in and then they eventually moved back to Tennessee. But while we were there, she bought some sage smudgsticks and stuff. That's how freaked out she was. So we get back and it seemed like everything was calming down, and then you know, it started like happening in like the the the feeling of someone walking on the bed. I woke up one night and I heard her dress her like nightstand, the drawer slide open and then slide closed, not not like a slam, but just like and closed. I thought she did that. I asked her and she's like, no, I didn't. I was asleep. I was like, are you sure you didn't get into your nightstand. She's like no, and that that was bizarre. So one more I woke up and on our dresser I found this whistle and I was like, what is this? And I showed you mofe. She's like, I've never seen that before in my life. And so I asked my kids, what did you want of you put this on my our nightstand or our dresser, and they're like, no, we've never seen that. So I started doing research and this thing is a African voodoo whistle and they use it for summoning spirits when they do rituals and things. And I'm like, where did this come from? And so we were like, I don't know. So we started asking around and my mother in law we remembered that she went to Africa and we found out that she did bring this thing back. But my kid says, she's they've neveren. My kids are like, we've never seen that thing before, and they're like, no, I brought it back for them. So I looked it up also. And so the thing is that they do. They get these items and they put spells or curses or whatever on it, and they sell them to people unknowingly to bring them back into their homes, and lucky as we just happened to, you know, gain one unknowingly in our house. So I looked up you know what I should do. So essentially what everyone said was, you know, take it and bury it. So I took it to undisclosed location and I dug a hole, pretty pretty good hole, and buried it. People will still they say, you know, you should have earned it or whatever, but because someone could accidentally find it in the future or something, but I don't. I don't think they will where I buried it that. But so yeah, after that, everything seemed kind of to calm down, But that it was really really bizarre. How like, I guess they can, you know, attach themselves to objects. And I know I've you know, I've watched all the shows about you know, the the Warrens and stuff, and how you know they what's the dolls name? I can't and all all their artifacts that they have, but you know, I actually experienced that firsthand and it I do not want to wish that on anyone. So I would say just say, be careful what you bring in your house because you never know. I mean, you could go to like a thrift store and buy something you don't know what it is. But if you bring something home and weird stuff starts going on, I would look around and see what you have in your house because you never know. So without hijacking your no, no, I have clause here and let you I. Haven't actually, uh, I don't think talked about this, but uh you mentioned Green Goblin, which is also ironic. We were five below a couple months ago. It's a store that's like basically like a Dollar General or whatever, Like everything's five dollars or below, but now there's stuff that's not five dollars. Doesn't Yeah, but they had a remote controlled Green Goblin and my three year old wanted it, so we bought it. It was made in twenty twenty four, so it's not old as brand new. I have these videos on my phone for anyone that wants to call BS on it. But basically, we're sitting in the living room about a month or so ago, and I start hearing noises and it's just me and my two sons. I'm here. The green Goblin is moving, so I'm just like, oh, someone is clearly pressing the button, except that the remote is in front of it on the ground. So I started recording with my phone, steps and starts recording with his phone, and then it would just start moving like driving by itself in the remote, except for when my kid was recording it this one time, like you don't see the remote. I was like, man, you got to learn to keep all that stuff in the in the screens like as pms. Gon say, oh, they're doing themselves. But my wife asked it, if you want them to leave you alone and go backwards. It's been going forward the whole time, so she asked it again and it instantly goes back. So she screens what the f and like it literally as soonisally it went backwards as the only time it went backwards, So I took the batteries out. It's just whatever. And then this morning apparently it was in HER's where she worked because she works from home, is in the room with her. Apparently the switch had been because my son still longs to play with these three. He doesn't know what it is. Apparently it was make noise. Isn't moving by itself again this morning? Is it? Is? It turned off? Like I guess, let's switch back Okay, the batteries are back in because he likes to drive it around, so it was turned back on, so it was trying to drive by itself again. I'm just going to chalk that up to it was made in China, five dollars toy, bad wiring. But the fact that it went backwards is and that's the only time I went backwards as soon as she asked, if we want us to leave it alone, go backwards and then moved backwards as like that is straight up creepy. Yeah, We've had a lot of weird stuff that goes onto this house. So I feel you. I mean, you know, like I said, I live through that crap, and I mean there's there's stuff. Probably I'm oh, you know what, I can tell you something else. I'm glad I just remembered. So that still went on this house and it doesn't really go on anymore. But my son, he said, you saw a lady in all white standing in our kitchen. That and the way he described it is like the Ring, you know, the girl the Ring. Okay, he's you know, he's he's twelve, he's never seen the ring, you know, but he described it. I was like, it's so crazy. And but he was probably ten at the time when all that was going on, maybe eleven, I can't remember it was because it happened maybe two years ago when we got rid of the whistle. Maybe maybe it was a year ago. I don't know. Time is weird to me. We have not had anyone see anything, at least that I'm aware of. I've seen little shadows running down the wall and only like fifteen inches tall, so very small. But other than that, luckily for us, we haven't had any None of my kids seemed to freak out too much by Like the younger ones have talked about weird things in the house, but the older ones don't really say anything. So to me, I was like, I don't know, yeah, so the little things is what what really bothers me, because especially here in me being of Cherokee descent, and you know the legends of the Cherokee little people, right, and yeah, so that that that's one thing that I thought of whenever, you know, we had these whatever it was walking on our bed, so that the little people kind of it brings me now to my next story, and this is involves Phil. So Phil, whenever we met up, like I said before, he was down here on vacation and we decided to do an investigation. Actually, guys, this is on YouTube. You want to check it out. I'm sorry it's a shameless plug, but I think it's still under a FK discussions also IoT I podcast. But if you want to check out these videos because they are pretty you. Send me the links. I'll put in the show notes. Okay, yeah, definitely. So Phil and I we were investigating this abandoned town called Elkmont in the Smoky Mountains. So this town, there's there's a lot of history. It was a lumberjeck like camp and then it became a hunting lodge and then it became a resort for like rich people in the twenties, and there was there was a hotel, but the hotel burned down. And it's weird because there's there's a cemetery up there that has like new graves. So I mean it's still an active cemetery being used. It's right above the Elkmont community and Elkmont was it was all dilapidated, but the Park Service has been going in and trying to restore the cabins, which I think partially has something to do with the activity ramping up like it is. So our first trip, it was Phil, myself, and Tie and Phil's fiance. So we're in there and we're you know, doing you know, the spirit boxes, We're doing the We have the SLS camera, we have a rimpod, I think that's all we had on us at the time. So we're going around and we're you know, asking questions and nothing, you know, some stuff was coming through and we had some EVPs, nothing major. We were in this one cabin and we had the rimpod sitting on the floor and the rim pod started going off like you know, and Phil was like, you know, touch it if you know, if you're here, touch the rim pod. And it was it was pretty much constantly going off. And so I got the LLUS camera and I was just using the one like an app on my phone, right and I pointed it at the rimpod and there's this little figure, like tiny looks like it's dancing on the rimpod. I mean not just like it. I mean literally looks like it's dancing, not just like there's you know, a stick figure bouncing back and forth. I mean this it was spinning. It was like kicking its legs up, and it was it was crazy, right, And I was like, Oh, it's just you know, it's just my phone because it's just an app. It's not real, right, So I'd move it all around the room. It wouldn't do it anywhere else except on the rimpod. So I have a video of that. I don't know if that. I think it's on the it's on the YouTube, figa. I remember seeing that at one point when I talked to Phil. Yeah, it's it's crazy. And I still I can't explain it because, like I said, it didn't do it anywhere else except there. It's not like I mean, you think if it if it was a fluke in the app or whatever, it would have done it somewhere else, but no, it was it was only there. So that that really freaked us out. Well, or I would say us out, It freaked me out. I don't know how they freaked shil out. Phil went you know, hadn't been through a lot of crazy stuff. So we went to another cabin and in this cabin we kept hearing bangs on the wall and feels like, hey, if you're bang on the wall, can you like knock again. He'd like knocked on the wall and then it would knock back, like click twice. And we didn't hear it knocked two times until we were reviewing the footage, which is that's that's weird whenever you don't hear it in person, but when you go back and you're viewing, that did happen. And another thing we we did catching something else on the sols. It was the door opened. I can't remember if we opened the door or the door opened itself. I think we may have opened it. But on the floor there was like another little stick figure, you know, SLS figure on the floor. This But then the most bizarre thing happened. So we were, you know, asking you questions at you know, with the spare box, and I was still kind of on the fence whether I believe if the spear box actually worked or not, because I'm like, oh, it's just you know, you're picking up radio signals, you know it, you can you know, kind of hear what you want to hear. You know, oh it said yes. But you know, what's the odds of, you know, going through a radio station and you'd hear someone say yes on racent. I mean that that could easily happen. And you're going through a bunch of channels. So we're asking questions about the spear finger. I don't know if you've heard about spearfinger, but it's a Cherokee legend. So there was a witch, a Cherokee witch there would kill children and she had a finger that was like a spear. She would pierce them in the heart with her finger. And I thought it was kind of bs at first because the first time I ever heard about it was on Mountain Monsters. Do you remember that show? Yeah? I actually it's just around those guys not long ago. Really, how's a cryptic gone with them? So they seem like cool guys, but seems very fake to me, be but the. Show it cannot be real. But the guys themselves are super nice. Like I said, I'm metal in the cryptocon and super sweet guys. I had got a photo with one of them. I can't think of what his name is, but we were at the bar that night and having a drink, and he was staying there next and was like, hey, man, like, my buddy's always been a big fan of the show. You care to get a picture with me? And he's like, sure, dude. We took a picture and had a drink. But now they're super nice guys. That's awesome. So but I first, I mean, I love that show. It's very entertaining, just because it's so over the top, you know, I think I've seen every episode that's not here nor there. But the first time I heard about Spearfinger was on there, and then I looked into it more and it legit is a legend in the Cherokee nation of this witch. So Phil asked a question, do you know anything about the Spearfinger Witch? And I kid you not, guys, this is the most bizarre thing. I mean, you know, usually you'll get like one or two words or something. This was a sentence and that made me a believer in the spear box. So we were like, do you know anything about the Spearfinger which, and without pausing, like almost instantly answered it said that's devil worship. And I'm like, what, that's devil worship? And how to freak out on the camera, like I just said, that's devil worship, because I mean, I mean, what are the odds of randomly in a radio station saying that's a devil worship. I don't think I've ever heard someone say that's devil worship on the radio. I don't know. I could be mistaken, but that, I mean, it seems too too much of a coincidence to be fake. You know what I'm saying. To ask that question and get that response within seconds of each other, you know. Those things are interesting to me, and I'm also hesitant to mess with because I don't want to know what they're gonna say. But I've I've been on the fence of wanting to get stuff like that, but I'm not one that avidly goes out and investigates. But I'm trying to do the documentary around here about a little weird stuff that's going on, And for me, I was like, I feel like I need some of this stuff, But then you don't really know what you're actually communicating with. Yeah, so I don't want something telling me certain things, but it's just trying to leave me down a pathway and I get stuck in some of the bag out here and even buy a dog man. Or whatever exactly. So I had that experience, and I know you find anymore if you if you do want to try it. I mean, I would gladly just send this to you if you want to use it, because I'm not gonna use. It ever again. I might take you up on that offer. Because I will tell you why I'm not gonna use that anymore. So that pretty much was the end of our investigation. Right, that was the last bit we've ever we had from that investigation. The that's devil Worship. So check out the video. But there's a part two to that, and it's coming up in a few minutes. So fast forward to I guess five or six months after Phil and I went on that little expedition, my family and I we go to this birding park. So we have a park that's for bird watchers essentially. But the weird thing about this park is no one is allowed after dark in the area, and it specifically says, you know, open from dust till dawn. Anyone caught in here after hours will be arrested to the full extent of the law. And I'm like, why why is it that you know why there's I mean, it's not it's like a public park. It's not. There's nothing on there that anyone could really destroy. Plus they have a house that you know, people stay in, like the I guess land management people stay there and you know, take care of tonight, make sure you know, nothing is going on. But there's this other little house that's there. And I saw a YouTube video. Do you know Black Mass Paranormal. He's been on Tony's show. I know the name. I would have to go back and listen. Okay, but he he did a video there and it was pretty crazy and it was at night. This was I guess years ago. I think before maybe they had the rule of no one go in there. But there were some really bizarre stuff going on in this house. So my family and I we were like, hey, let's go to the burning Park. And I was like, I'm gonna bring my spirit box. Let's go. You know. So I have my three kids, my wife and we're you know, hiking, and it's a good half mile to this house. So we hike up there, we're walking around and I was like, we were sitting in the porch and it's you know, it's it's not really creepy. The the upstairs is kind of blocked off, so you can't go upstairs. So we get on. We're sitting in the rocking chairs on the porch and I pull out the spear box and I turn it on and I'm like, you know, is anyone here? You know? No response. I'm trying to remember all this stuff. I said, I heard, I heard that there was people that lived upstairs or like haunted the upstairs or something like that to that accent, and no response. And then I said, I've heard that there is dog man and portals in this area, and without hesitation, it said monsters on the spirit box and I was like, okay, I think it's time to leave. My wife is like, yeah, come on, kids, let's leave. So we we, you know, get up and we're walking off and my daughter's like, Daddy, there's somebody upstairs. Then my other daughter turns around it's like, yeah, there he is. And I look, I don't see anybody, and they're like, yeah, we saw a guy walk across the upstairs window. And I go back and there's nobody there. I mean, the cracks are like an inch. It's like you know, a historic house. The boards are like an inch apart. You can see upstairs and if someone was walking up there, there's no one upstairs, but they swear they saw someone upstairs. I was recording with the GoPro at the time. I did not see anything on the footage, but I got their reaction and they legit saw somebody or saw something I should say. So I was like, okay, let's go, let's you know, let's move along a little faster. So my family goes on up and I pull on my phone and I wanted to look at the footage of you know, the spirit box, and actually, yeah, I it was the go pro. I was looking at the GoPro. I was rewinding some footage, was looking and it didn't catch the monsters, and I was really pushing it. I really wanted that evidence. I wanted to make a video with that. So I give a spirit box back out again and I'm walking. I'm like, so, you know, I asked about dog Man, Is there any dog Man? Nothing? No responses, you know, just static. And then I said, you said monsters earlier. If there's monsters in this area, can you say monsters again? And a little a little girl's voice and in a very sing sing songing kind of way said monsters like that dude, that freaked me out so much. And I don't I don't know if you know this or not, but a lot of people speculate because you know, I don't. I don't know if you can factually say this or not, but like demonic entities present as little kids or something like that voices, so that, honestly, I was like, nope, nope, nope, turn off the spirit box. And I don't think i've turned that back on since, but I do have that footage, and yeah, it's it's pretty crazy. So I would be willing to test stuff out like that because I don't know if I'm one that likes to go poke the bear. But for me, it's like, if I'm really going to go into something like this and I wanted to find answers, I'm going to kick over some rocks so I might make some things mad. And someone actually warned me very recently that I need to stop what I'm doing because I am an antagonist and I'm making things angry at me. Yeah, I was like, Okay, I don't even know what you're I do a show like I haven't even been out in the woods like looking for stuff legitimately until just recently. But this is before I even started this little bout me doing what I'm doing, I'm making things angry at me. I was like, well, they're about to get a lot more angry. It's a possibility, man, I'm just saying. So Part two of Phil and I's investigation at Elkmont this is where it gets crazy. So Ty was still part of the podcast at the time, and I said, Hey, we're gonna go. You know, Phil's over here, going to meet up and go do another investigation. And Ty's baby was born, I think a few months prior, and he was like, well, you know, I really can't And I was like, okay, well Phil and I are going to go. It was just Phil and I. His fiance wasn't here. He actually came down, I think, to do it an interview with Tony. So we go up to Elkmont, just he and I and we go in the first cabin and nothing really happened. It was kind of kind of dead. Then we walked there's like all the cabins are really close to each other. So we walked from that cabin into the back door the one in front of it, and it was bizarre. It was like walking into a soundproof room. That's the only way I can describe it. We went in there and there was it was like someone just put their fingers in our ears. It was like dead silent. And these cabins are not soundproof. They're like you know, from the twenties, and they're all you know, they've been re you know, they're working on them, but they're not like one hundred percent like they're you know, nothing like a new house. There's no like insulation in the walls or anything. It's just boards and with plaster between the boards, right, But it's like dead silent, just in just in there. We go back outside and like you know, the world comes to life again, very very strange. And so we're like, man, that's that's so weird. And then we go back inside and shut the door and we're like, well, let's just you know, stay here for a minute. And then we heard footsteps in the cabin behind that where we didn't get any activity. We heard like you can you can actually stealing video. I'm like using my fingers and I'm like pointing like steps, you know, and feels like yeah, And it was dude, it was really freaky. I've never experienced anything like that except you know, the footsteps of my stairs, but actually on an investigation in the woods, I've never experienced anything like that. So we decided to go to this one cabin that some people had told me was the most active. It's ironically it's cabin number thirteen. You know, go figure lucky number thirteen. We go in there and it's like something hits us, like I started feeling sick. I couldn't breathe. I was like panting. I was like I can't catch my breath, and it felt like I was sick to my stomach. And Phil felt felt sort of like that too, and it was just I don't know, it's just a gross feeling. And we're like, man, maybe we should leave. So we we go get in the car and I call this invest pairs normal group. They're called Smoky Mountains Unforgotten Spirits, that's what it's called. They have. It's kind of a long name smoking. Maybe it's just Smoky's Unforgotten Spirits. But they go there a lot and do investigations. So I'll call them up and they're like, yeah, you know, it's it's kind of creepy, and Phil was there going to be there another night, and so he was like, well, ask them if they want to, you know, come here with us tomorrow night. So I ask them, They're like yeah, sure. So we come back the next night with this three more guys and they have a bunch of equipment. So we go into the first cabin where I said, you know, it seemed like nothing was really going on, and then we heard footsteps. So we go in there and they have motion lights. They have one of the little music boxes that are you know that apparently like I don't know how they work, I guess with like static electricity or something I don't know, Like you can wave your hand over it and it'll start playing music. I guess, sort of like a spirit or like rimpod, but it's a music box. They use them a lot on Ghost of Ventures and stuff like that. So they had one of those, and so they set up all the lights and we're all in this cabin and you know, we're just sitting there being quiet, and one light goes off like emotion tector light. Then another one goes off, and this one, this one, this one comes, I mean, this one turns on and this one turns on and this one turns off like something's walking back and forth, and we're like, that's crazy. And then Phil Phil has his his rim pod and that starts going off. We're like, oh man, that's crazy, you know. And they're like, yeah, this is this is nothing, you know, wait till we go to cabin number thirteen. And I was like, I don't want to go back in there. You know. We told them what you know, happened before, and they're like, oh, I'll just come with us. You know, you just went in the first room. We didn't even go to the good stuff. Where we were at was not a good stuff come on. So we went over there with them, and instantly it didn't feel as heavy as it did the first night, Like I wasn't I was able to breathe fine and to have like stomach issues. We go in the back and we're standing there and they there's this one room and they said, this room is where I cannot remember. They gave you know, the entity a name, which you're not supposed to do. It's not a good idea to name an entity. I've heard or say their names. Huh yeah. Yeah. So they set up like motion lights and rim pod in there, and almost instantly the room parts like going nuts, and then all the lights start going off, like the motion lights. And one of the guys' names Brooks. He went in there and he was like, you know, messing with the rim pod. It's like, you know, maybe it needs to be turned off, turned back on, maybe it's a fluke. But it wasn't a fluke. It just kept on going like weird stuff. And I was like, gosh, gude, this is crazy, you know. So we were standing there and Brooks goes into the kitchen and all of a sudden he yelled at his friend to come come here, you know. So he goes in there and they like, He's like check that out. And I was like, what happened? So Phil goes in there and then I followed them. So something had scratched his arm, like all the way down his arm and there was it was It wasn't bleeding, but you know, it was like it broke the skin, but it didn't bleed, you know what I'm saying, Like it was like a red mark almost leaking, like how this cat scratch does. And he that boggles my mind still to this day, because you know, I'll always see those you know, the ghost of picture shows. Not always that's bs. No one gets scratched, you know, well I witness it. It's it's legit. Someone got scratched. So we stay there and they do a what's it called I can't where you put the blindfield on the headphones and estest method. Yeah, and that nothing, I mean, yeah, there was some answers and stuff, and nothing really crazy happened. That. I mean, that was the pretty much the extent of the craziness with the you know, the scratching and then the all the motion sensor stuff going off. So we we left, and Phil and I were just like, man, that's you know, that was super weird. Both of us really had missed mixed feelings. We like said a prayer in the car because we were so I don't we just had, you know, had a bad feeling. So Phil goes back home. I come back home. Phil, you know, goes and starts investigating back in the hook a munk, and I, you know, go back to my job essentially, and everything just started spiraling, man like spiraling down both of us. So Phil started having some mental health issues from everything, just like very much like something was attached to him. Spiritually, and I didn't put two and two together until afterwards. But two weeks after that happened, I got laid off from my job, which I had worked there for twenty four years. Just randomly got laid off from my job. And then I guess it was maybe a month later, my wife got told that they were going to lay people off from her job. They were actually shutting the office down. I mean, it was dude, anything that bad that could go wrong was going wrong. And same thing with Phil, like he was just in a very dark place. I was in a dark place. Luckily, I found a new job fairly quick. My wife also found a new job fairly quick. But it, I mean, it just seemed like something was against us, right. So Phil and I talked. He told me everything that was going on. He had a pastor come and pray for him. He you know, started, you know, like really like kind of I'm not I'm not going back to the huck A bug Swamp. I'm not going back ever again. There's just I can't. So he and I started talking and we're like, well, you know, there's something going on. We need to just cut all ties from from from this from the ghost side of everything right, So we decided to shut down a FK Discussions and reboot with a new brand called Image of the Invisible that focuses more on the positive side than so much of the negative. So like we we what we do now is we know we talk to people who We had this lady on who had spiritual gifts. She was like, it was a really crazy show. She was talking said she talked to and A Nicole Smith's spirit and she actually talked to like she would tell her or the spirit would tell her who to communicate with in Hollywood and like shet, I mean, it's a crazy story. But then she found out that it was very demonic. Can you know? She realized that, you know, she should be using her gifts for for Jesus because that's what they were made for. You know. It was like a spirit of it's called discernment. It's a you know, it's one of the gifts of the of the Holy Spirit. So it's so the gifts, you know, like if imagine all the gifts that you hear about that are you know, demonic, like you know clairvoyance and I can't my mind went playing. Anyways, there's like a the equal and opposite good and bad of each you know, of these like spiritual gifts, right, some people use them for bad, some people use them for God. And you know, anyways, so Phil and I were like, you know, we're going to take this and change it into something good. And pretty much since we've done this, like all of the the negativity is kind of just gone away from us, and it's it's amazing. I mean, I don't, I don't know how I was to say it, but I mean, the spirit the reality is, the spiritual realm is real, and if you get into the wrong things, it will hurt you, it will, I mean mentally, I don't know how everything works. I mean, I'm not a theologian, but I know that. You know, I worked at the job for twenty three years without any issues, and then I have this experience and I get laid off from that job. I don't, I don't know how how, I don't. I don't understand. That's the only thing I can. I can cough it up to you. I don't know. Was there more than just other like for other people laid off too, or just specifically. You, No, no, there's other people later. But yeah, but you know, I've been there a long time. Had I was one of the best photographers in my department, and the new people who had only worked there a couple of years, they kept them and got rid of me. You know, did you make more money? Yeah, yeah, I know, I mean, I know that could be it too. Yeah, but you know, I mean, it just it's. I've noticed something when it comes to companies and this, it sucks for the people that have tenure for the most part, like if you've been there a long time. But usually if you've been there a long time, you typically make more money than some of the other people. And it's happened to me before where they will keep the lower paid people because they don't care if you can do a better job, they can get more production done for the cost of what they're paying one person. They can have multiple people doing it. Yeah, that's true. It sucks, but that's the way our society has become. Yeah, I know, I mean, I know there's probably a logical reason, but I feel. Like it's right. I'm not saying that it's not possible, but yeah, I know, for me, it's just like firsthand experiences are I think most companies are always about saving the most money they can, So that means you've been a great employee for so many years. Here here's a pat on the back, and then here's the door. I mean, I did have a sweet severance package. It is like six months, so that's nice. Yeah, I didn't get anything. The one time this happened to me, completely off topic and everyone listening, that doesn't matter anything. Fast forward for the next thirty seconds. But I worked. I left a job that I've been at for a couple of years, and I was only like, this was almost twenty years ago. They'd hired my father and I to install marble countertops. They were going to give us our own vehicles than that. And this is back in two thousand and five, two thousand and six, somewhere around then. And they hired him at eighteen and they hired me in at ten or fourteen, and then after thirty days, he was supposed to go to like twenty four and I was going to go up to eighteen or something like that. So back then it was good money. But once we got there, right before on our twenty ninth day, we showed up for work and they said, oh, we don't have anything for you. Guys, have to go home today. Well, on our way home, had left a voicemail or on the inter machine saying that there was no more work so that they didn't need us anymore. I was like, you could even say it to our face. So we drove fright like. So that's like the only time I've well, there's been one other time. I won't name the company. I'll probably get SUO for doing it. But I got a I got to let go from a job because I had food for my lunch in the area that I was working in, but I wasn't eating it, and they told me to throw it away and I said no, and then he started yelling at me, and I called him a choice word for yelling at me, and I got fired. But I was like, I just went and bought this. I'm waiting for this guy to get done smoking so i can leave to go eat my lunch because I'm not even on the clock. Yeah, but I got fired because I had food in there when I wasn't on the clock. Whatever. That's that's a ridiculous, man. Yep, those were back twenty something years ago. Yes, no other than that, Like for me, it's just like I don't know. Yeah, So I mean you know the one thing, you know, Yeah, I mean all could it you know it probably was, you know, because I made too much money stuff, but my wife being laid off all sime, the circumstances. I mean, it could be all coincidences. But you know, I don't believe in coincidence, which is funny. Yeah, so I think things happened the way they're supposed to happen, and they happened for reasons. Yeah, for me, it's it wasn't I want to talk about something that I won't talk about it on air just because it's not really my place to talk about it. But I don't know if I said, I don't know if I mentioned this before. I know I have at some point, but you'd mentioned things like being cursed touching things. My friend found a coin on top of this grave at one of these most haunted cemeteries, which I've always thought, like, why would a cemetery be haunt I understand there's dead the dead or buried there, but why would they haunt that? Yeah, Like so I don't I don't really make that connection. But he found the silver piece was like a fifty center or a silver dollar or something like that, and he wanted to take it, and we begged him please put it back, and a lot of weird stuff happened, and then he threw the coin and it made me mad because it's like, why do you just go put it back where you found it? Yeah, So the next day we went to go find it, and that coin was literally where we'd parked the vehicle at We all seen him chuck it. This is like twenty twenty something years ago. At this point we were I was like right out of high school, so I was still superstitious, like as an eighteen year old kid. And we found it freaked out because it was right where the vehicle was. There's no way could have been there. And where are the odds of there being two of the same type of coin. There's no way. Yeah, So I picked it up and I went and put it back. Anytime him and I were together for the next couple of weeks, bad things happened. We were with our buddy, we were riding. He ended up getting to a wreck. My head hit his head. His head at this head we busted the window. The hat I was wearing was like twenty feet outside the vehicle. We rolled on top of a tree, terrible. Yeah. Later that day, we were going to our buddy's house. He was supposed to be having a party, like we're like eighteen nine year old kids. Well, someone had tipped off his parents, so the police showed up before anything happened. Were just they're waiting for him to get there. He didn't show up because apparently he didn't think, which we didn't have phones back in those days like we did now. Yeah, no one. So we were just sitting in his driveway in the police show up and we were about to go to jail for trespassing. And then a week later he got fired from his job. They had he worked at like a I think we mentioned this before. He worked at one of the I think it was a dollar General. His drawer was like short some money, so that they accused him of stealing it, which I knew who he Like, he wasn't a thief, but because there was money this and they accused him of stealing it, so he got fired from him. Like just all these weird things were happening, and like all these bad things were happening, and it went on for like a month, and I was like, I know it's because he's up that stupid freaking coin that you should have never picked up in the first place. But I don't know. I try not to think that way, but it was the only way I could lie. How'd you leave? Think about it? So I relate to what you're saying, like the demons. For me is like I try to be like, no, this has to be normal, rationalized, but like, I can't explain a lot. We're crappy either. Yeah, man, it's it's it's more than a coincidence, I think. So I have one more story I would like to share. This is this is a good one. You may you may have heard this story. I don't know, and everyone out there you may have heard it heard on the Confessionals, Tony talks about it. But so I had the honor of being in Sasquatch and the Missing Man, and I had the honor of playing West Germer, which was really cool, in the recreation of his his Sasquatch encounter. So we're there filming and this the area we were in is a very known hot spot or for bigfoot activity, bigfoot and dog man activity. Actually, for some reason, his name is slipping my mind right now. He's he was a very big, very influential YouTuber that did a lot of dog man videos. He passed away a couple of years ago or a year ago maybe, Gosh, what is his name? I don't know why. I can't think of his name. Tony's gonna kill me if he hears this because I can't think his name. Anyways, it was his investigation area. People out there probably screaming at the radio like it's blah blah Carpenter. Yes, yes, Carpenter's area. Yeah. I'm like I know it. I was just thinking, like that's what it was. Yeah. So we're out there in his area and we're recreating uh Wes's experience or Tony's film, and so we're over filming and Tony is actually in his truck talking on the phone to his mom, and we're I guess maybe ten yards maybe fifty yards at fifty, no fifty thirty yards of the most from his truck, and we had been hearing frogs all night, just croaking, you know, and Tony like, Tom's running over there. He's like, did you guys hear that? Like what He's like this this clicking sound. It sounded like the predator and we're like, it's just frogs. Man, there's We've been hearing these frogs all night, and he was like, no, it wasn't frogs, and so we're like, yeah, whatever, you know, kind of kind of brush it off, and so we we wrap up filming. We're all standing around the trucks, and then all of a sudden we hear it. I mean, it is loud. I can't I can't make the predator sound, but it's like that I can't do that click a clown like he's you know, I don't know, but it's coming from the forest and it's really really stinking loud. And I've done a lot of research looking for that sound. I can I cannot find it anywhere I know, Tony said. He the guy's from Cryptis of the Corn, said that it could be the shoe Bill, which is crazy because the shoe Bill is in Africa and it's this giant six foot bird. And but it does like clip his beat together and it sounds like a machine gun almost, and it does sound similar to what the predator sounds like. But that been in Tennessee in itself, is is crazy. I know, right, but I don't. It's very weird. And I was thinking today, you know when I was preparing for this interview. I was just thinking back and I was like, maybe, you know, like I was singing dogs, you know how they growl and stuff and they kind of you know, the I don't know how their throat works. I know, like you know, I think they make that sound. The human who does that the creditors sound of the movie uses his like uvy lt or whatever and you know, to make that clicking sound. I'm I'm like, hey, if if if dog men that are you know, it could be a communication thing that they use. You know. I'm just saying because they're supposed to be in this area, right, and it was thinking. Loud those Mongolian voke like throat, Yeah, they have the ability to do that too. I've heard some weird there's like a metal band ironically enough, but they do all those weird vocal things. That band's called who h Yeah. But yeah, so we're hearing this and it it's pretty freaky. And none none of us filmed at all. That's the bad part. We didn't, you know, all of us are saying there, I mean me, Tony jack Ward, I mean, there's a bunch of camera equipment, no one filming anything, and you know, Tony. Tony's like, let's go, boys, We're going in the woods. So all of this gear up. I hadn't. I had my firearm in the truck. The other guy that was playing Woody, he runs a channel called Black Diamond Guns of Gears, name is Josh. He had an ar in his truck. So we all we like, you know, gear up and go into the woods. Right, So we're walking and I did we did smell skunk and it could have just been a skunk, but you know they say that, you know, the wet dogs skunky smell, you know, you smell with like sasquatch and stuff. So we walked, We hiked about I guess a good mile, and Joel was with us too. So Joel is like way far up as up ahead of us with no flashlight and we're just you know, walking, nothing's really going on, you know, we smell something, yeah, you know, it could be actually a skunk. So we get down there pretty good ways and we decide to turn around and come back. So on the way back, I'm I'm out of shape obviously, and so I'm in the back of the line and Josh is back there with me. The guy with a heavy artillery and so we're we're walking in a stick like comes flying out of the forest and like you know, it's hits some branches like in like lands on the ground behind us. And dude, the ad freaked me out. I've never had an experience with like a en cryptid other than you know, I guess the little people if that's what it was my bed. But dude, something was there, Something was pacing us in the woods, and I I mean, it freaked me out. And I was I was a guy in the movie, you know, the last the first one to die, because I was I'm out of shape and I'm in the back of the line. But yeah, so I mean nothing nothing. We never really saw anything, but we did hear something walking and we got stuff thrown at us and the clicking. But man, that was it was freaky. And it's a night that I will never forget. So this is me, okay, And what I'm thinking, if you were out there and you actually saw something, what would you guys actually have done. I don't know. And you said he had a Papa shot at it, because you. Might, so let me tell you, John, I mean, he runs a gun channel and dude, is like you know he would he would probably would have unloaded. You know, I'm serious. I've always wanted to, like and this is like for what I'm doing for my local area. My buddy, he asked, And I still think it's funny. He doesn't really want to go out in the woods, so I think he's kind of afraid of it. Because he said, what we're gonna do if we actually find something? I was like, I haven't thought that far, Like I do want to go look if we find it, that I don't know what we're going to do. You don't get that far because usually when people go out looking for things, they don't find anything. And I don't go out there the expectations to be like, oh, we're going to find something. But in the rare instance, off we come across something, I was like, I guess we'll figure that out, and he of the moment like, but I don't think popping a shot off at something really kind of help. Well, I mean, you know, I mean, I think most of the guys I was with is you know, they're under the assumption that you know, they want to bag one, right. So I've said it before, like if I ever seen something again, I'm running it over or whatever I gotta do because I need to proof. But if I'm mount in the middle of the woods and we have a couple of peace shooters with us, I don't think that's really gonna do anything besides make it mad. Yeah, he's talking about it. He talked about giving us some barbecued ribs or something, make a peace offering. Yeah, yeah, because I mean I think all of this. I mean, our side arms are all, you know, nine millimeters, so it's not really going too much. And then I assume that Josh had a five five six, he could have been running three hundred blackout, but that's not not really gonna take it down. I don't think, you. Know, my plan isn't to try and make it mad. But I'd also feel like I'm going to be the idiot that doesn't run away. I'm probably gonna go towards it and then like, well, I'll have my proof for at least thirty seconds until it rips me apart or what. Yeah, Yeah, that's my mentality. I guess. I guess if I ever seen something again and I say that's what I'll do, Yeah, I don't really know if that'll be what ends up happening. Yeah, so there's I mean, that area is I mean, it's notorious, though. I mean, so the odds are that we we we're being stalked by something is pretty high. I know Tony had had some experiences in there and there they're supposed to be coming. I think this year there's a film they're going to release about I don't even know what is titled right now, but that area is going to be part of it. I think they just filmed something recently. Yeah, they did. They went to a place called the Meadow Yep. Yeah, that that place is pretty insane. I've never been there, but you know, I just heard. Stories and a lot of a lot of interesting stuff down that way. It's like, we don't have a whole lot up here, but with the stuff that we do I've been turning over. It's it's still taboo to talk about. I feel like, Yeah, so I've reached out to local people, and I've got a lot of people who have reached out to me. Since I've made a few posts about all this stuff and Stranger Lessons about on Tony Show, more people have reached out to me. So it's been kind of cool because local people are really hey, I saw something like what you did. Now, this is the hard they of being honest. I don't know, you never know, but like I want to think of the best of people, so I think it's sure you're being honest about it. So but no, it's uh, the world a weird world that we've fallen into, coming from playing in bands to now being out looking for monsters. Oh yeah, definitely. I mean. The thing is, I don't think I'll touch the I guess, the ghost side of things ever again. But I mean cryptids and stuff. I think I think I would be down to going on a expedition for cryptids. M hmm. But yeah, the the spiritual aspect is just too much, even though the dog man sasquatch all that could be spiritual. Also, they're different, I think than ghosts and stuff. You know, I just I just want to leave that stuff alone because I've had enough. I don't I don't want anymore. You don't want to keep trying to kick the can to see. What happens, No, no, no, no, I get that. And plus I just I like to I like to camp and go into the woods, so you know, it's fun and you know, odds are you're not going to see anything, but and you just, you know, sit around the campfire and cheat the crap. You know. That's the one thing that I used to do years ago. So I went camping a lot, and then for some reason, I kind of quit doing it, and I started to think about this. I was like, you know, it's kind of about the same timeframe that I seen that weird thing. So I was like, I wonder if that subconsciously has part of the reason why I don't go campaign anymore. I've never even thought about it, or never put into that context until just recently, So I was like, who knows. I mean probably, I mean I would say I would say, yes. Well, if you are good, we can probably wrap this up. But I would like for you too let everyone know where they can find you. Guys up all right, once again, I'm Jason. You can find me at Image of the Invisible and we are on Rumble now because YouTube doesn't like us. But also you can find us on Instagram at IoT I podcast. But guys, yeah, come check us out. Like I said, we you know, we may not be your style. We talk a lot about Christianity, and you know, we try to keep you know, keep it positive and not really delve into the darkness. But we do a little bit. We have an episode on Pinhurst recently and we talk about AI and how AI could be like the Beast from Revelation, like the Antichrist. So that's a that was a really fun episode and that's why YouTube doesn't like us. I'm only ready to say it's like, so what caused YouTube? Because I've had some my own issues with YouTube. Usually it's because people say a certain word that starts with a C or a V or something like that. But what what did YouTube do to you guys? Because yeah, it's they had to label something too of what they're doing it for. Yeah, it didn't say what it was doing it for. It just said we did not meet community guidelines. So who knows what that is. It makes no sense because you have to have multiple strikes too. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Maybe maybe we said V word or I don't know what V word you're talking about. I can only assume I don't know the jabs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe we said something about that. Maybe I don't know. That's been my issue when people talk about that, but I figured out ways around it. So but it was weird though, So we did the live and the live came out without a hitch, right, And then we always do the live and then I go back and upload the like a regular episode, because it seems like not many people can find the live because it goes into its own channel, right, So I always uploaded twice. So we did the live and then I uploaded the other one. And right after I uploaded it, I got the little email saying that we like pretty much didn't meet community guidelines. And I don't, I don't know. I mean, we talked about the Antichrist because there's a verse in Revelation that says they created an image of the beast, which is the Antichrist, and it pretty much came to life, you know, and it started to speak and so and I was like, you know, I was just I was thinking about it, and I think there was a podcast I listened to, but I was like, you know, that sounds like AI like a like almost like an image, because it's called the image of the beast, like an image like on a screen. You know, you got to look at the you gotta look at the Bible when they describe prophecy as you know, someone back in the day trying to describe where they're seeing, so an image like a you know, I imagine a picture or a painting, an image you know, coming to life and talking, which I was like, you know, AI can do that right now. You know, you can deep fake anybody and you know, put a voice over it and yeah, you know, I mean, well, I mean AI, like, have you seen those robots that yeah, yeah, that like are communicating and walking around and they're almost like sentient like the tests. Yeah, that's what it's talking about. The Tesla box. Yeah, that's I mean, I'm like, dude, image of the beasts right there that you know who knows And you know it also says that they the people fall down and worship it, and I could you know, totally see something like that happening, and I don't know. I was like, well, I guess you know, the YouTube algorithm, which is probably AI didn't like the fact that we're talking about that. Probably not. I'll see if this episode makes the clearing. Yeah, I always upload it. I used to never do anything with it. Like my hosting service used to just upload the audio and it make its own videos. But YouTube is now not allowing them to do that, so I have to start making videos. So I started doing that in the last couple of months. So I have everything scheduled for Monday nights, so there's actually a premiere going on right now and then on Thursday nights. And it's weird because now that I'm making the videos, I have to upload it so it'll tell me it's checking everything this and that. Before I never did that, so it certain times there'd be episodes and it flagged me because when the hosting swers would upload, it would try and post it, but then it would hear certain words and it would kick it back saying that it doesn't mean community standards and medical maul whatever, misinformation. And I've had like conspiracy stuff. If you talk about anything conspiracy later they automatically like shadow bying you, which some people claim that doesn't exist, as like, no, I can guarantee you it does. Yeah. We went from getting decent views to get in three. Right use on a video. So I have almost two thousand subscribers on YouTube, and some of these videos will get like one hundred views, maybe two interviews, and then that's it. I'm like, so where's all the people to subscribe? They don't ever pay attentions. I get like maybe less than ten percent of who subscribes the show actually sees what I post. Yeah, so I know it's craziness. It is that is the algorithms for you. Yeah, well, I'm switching to Rumble. It's it's hard because you know, you're starting all over, even though our channel was fairly new anyways, and we don't really have a lot of subscribers, so starting over from scratch really wasn't hard. Now, if I had to start over from the the audio side of the podcasting, that would be hard. Because what I did was I just changed the name from AFK Discussions to Image of the Invisible, So it just you know, I kept all my my old subscribers and everything. Right, I've I've contemplated not liking my name just because now there's another podcast that has. This name ten Foward Tails, Like there's there's. An Australia when that came out a few months after I made mine, and uh, people get confused because I'll get messages from people from Australia asking me questions about stuff that I have nothing to do with my show, and then people keep all message maybe like can't find your show we just keep here in Australian ladies. I was like, this is so stupid. Yeah, but it is what it is, I guess. But that's neither here nor there. No. Well, anyways, I want to say thanks for coming on here tonight and talk with me. And there's a few things I was going, like I said, I'll talk to you off air about I don't want to really bring it up on here. Yeah, man, but thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. I know. It was kind of kind of weird the way we met because I was I literally I came over to what did that do? What was that Tony's office? They brought him bug spray? Yeah, I bought him. I brought him some bug spray. But that's not why I was there. I was there for something else. I don't know why. But anyways, and it just so happens you were there. So weird how things work out. But that's actually some of the things I'll talk to you about here in a second. So again, thanks to Jason for coming on here tonight and thanks for listening. We're gonna wrap this one up so we'll check you on the next one. See later, guys. And that's the show. Everyone, I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on tien foil Tells, remember to send an email to ten Foiltales podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltales dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone seens. 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