Ep. 168: UFOs & Extraterrestrials

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode, We're gonna be joined by my guest, mister Preston Dinnett. Preston is a UFO researcher. He's been studying things for four decades now, looking into a lot of topics involving UFOs and alien abductions. 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Besides, it's offering you a chance to join the Patreon for ad free content, early access to all the episodes and exclusive content for only one dollar ninety nine cents a month, So again, check out the Patreon. You can find more information about that in the show notes. Following me around on all the social media is. We're gonna go ahead now and bring Preston on Diet into the conversation. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I'd like to thank this time to welcome my guest tonight, mister Preston Dinnet. Preston, thanks for coming here and talking to me. It's a pleasure and an honor. Thanks for inviting me. Had a few listeners reach out to me asking me to reach out to you to see about you coming on an episode, so I wanted to give the listeners what they wanted to hear. So, oh wow, that's awesome. I'm not one hundred percent familiar with everything, like as far as we're background and everything else. I know you're involved with like the UFO community and everything, but do you want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? Sure? I got involved in this field November seventeen, nineteen eighty six. I'll never forget that day because there was a huge sighting over Alaska. You may have heard of it. Captain Kenju Tarocchi, a Japanese commercial airliner, had a really amazing sighting where a UFO too actually followed their plane and it was on the evening news and it really floored me because they showed the captain and I thought, Huh, this guy's probably gonna get fired. He's crazy, he's hallucinating, he's seeing a reflection off the ice cap. I was skeptical, but it turned out my older brother Mark had seen a UFO years earlier and tried to tell me. I didn't believe him, but I went to him and asked him about it, and he described this amazing sighting he had with his two friends where they chased a UFO down Recita Boulevard. This is outside of La in southern California. It was a close upsiding. I mean, this was a metallic craft with colored lights, a dome on top, totally silent treetop level was in view for fifteen minutes, darted around. Other people were seeing it, so good sighting. I ended up talking to both his friends too, and that's what started the ball rolling. It turned out I had a few other family members who had seen UFOs. I mean, my brother Mark had a girlfriend, Christie. She had encountered with little blue beings as a young girl. My other brother, Steven, his wife, had a face to face encounter with Grays following a close up UFO sighting, and turned out I had some friends who had encounters. One had missing time people I worked with. I worked at a business office doing data entry and filing and that sort of thing. Several of them had had close encounters sightings. One the lady's daughter had an onboard experience with Grays. Another lady I worked very closely with had a missing time I'm encounter. So this all hit home literally for me. This is when I found out that there are UFO groups who actually study this. I had no idea about Moufon the Mutual UFO network, so I joined them and every other UFO group I could find about every book I could find, because I wanted to disprove this. I wanted to find out what my family and friends were seeing. I ended up becoming a field investigator from moufon investigating my own cases, and initially it was not good news. I was pretty upset about it caused my whole belief system to collapse. I was pretty upset about the government cover up, which was easily provable and kind of took over my life pretty quickly. Over the space of a year or two, I bought every darn book I could find, and before long, I was attending conventions and next thing I knew, I was investigating my own cases, recording them, writing articles going on the raid. I did research for about ten years. I've written about thirty articles over that period of time. Before I put up my first book, UFO Healings. I was in nineteen ninety six, and I started writing quite a few books after that. I've now got over thirty books out more than one hundred articles. And yeah, I'm speaking on this subject all the time now. I find it absolutely fascinating. I think it's an important subject as well. It's crucial people know the truth about this and know that their own text dollars are being spent to cover this up. So's that's the introduct That's how I got involved in this field. It's always been something that's interested me, even at an early age, and I've always wanted to know why someone would not want anyone else to know about this. And as I've gotten older, I've come to understand that they're more of a monetary power control aspect to it. And I also start to wonder if it's because of the control itself, like they can't control it, so is that why they don't They don't want to fully acknowledge it because it's not something that we have control over. And I feel like that is a big thing government wise, is if they can't control it, they'd rather not talk about it just because it makes them look inferior. That's just my kind of assumption of how it goes. I understand there's more to it than just that, but I feel like that's a big part of it. They say that society can't handle it. I'm wondering if it's not that they can't handle it, so they're just afraid of not or admitting that they don't have a handle on it, you know what I mean. Yeah, well they're handling it, so I don't see it's I think it's it's disingenuous to say that they can handle this knowledge and we can't. Yeah, but I totally agree with you. I think that's one of the major factors. It's multifaceted, no doubt, this cover up is a policy that was adopted very early on, so they somewhat painted themselves into a corner. It's really hard to turn that ship around because it's a massive ship. I mean, this cover up is no joke. It's absolutely something that I think is worldwide. All the major governments are cooperating. I think if you track it down, it's the intelligence agencies, the highest levels of the military. It's to some extent, the military industrial complex. You know, the oil industry, the energy industry, banking, pharmaceutical, insurance. I think all of them have a little bit of a and in this, but definitely you know, the pentagon on folks, the non elected government officials, and to some extent, mainstream government. But like you said, I think another part of it is control. They I think are absolutely terrified of the fact that they have no power over ets or UFOs flying around in our airspace. I don't think there's an ET threat in terms of them come to take over our planet or hurt people. I think that's largely disinformation and fear and confusion. But I think there's an ET threat to the government power structure or you know, the power elite, or call them what you will, the cabal, and they're control of the narrative. That's the ET threat to their wealth. I think greed is a big part of the cover up as well, because there is this technology which would probably replace oil and the pharmaceutical industry, which is a big, big business. There's a lot of things that about this subject, the technology in particular, that would change everything. So I think it's multifaceted, like you said, but ultimately it's greed, it's power, it's control, and it says the Big three, let's see. Yeah, that's been adopted for a long time. So it's really hard to heads are going to roll at some point when all of this comes out. So I don't know how it's going to happen. I'm not sure we'll ever get full truth and transparency, not voluntarily. But on the other hand, I think disclosure is inevitable. It's going to happen. It's because it's true, can't and there's just no way you can destroy the truth. So we'll see how this all rolls out, but eventually it's got to happen. I've often wondered if disclosure is not going to happen by something making themselves visible, or is it going to be a slow roll out where we're making things visible to make it seem like that they had no idea, you know what I mean. I feel like they can't just come out and say, oh, yeah, we've been hiding this from everybody. It's going to have to take something, and they're going to play dumb about it, be like, oh, we had no idea, yeah. Which is such a big lie because there's a million documented cases from just the UFO reporting centers in the United States and the world. The ets have essentially done disclosure. I wrote a book on schoolyard ufone comers because of the Rua Zimbabwe case really caught my attention. Aerial Elementary School probably heard of its sixty kids, at least two hundred on the playground. It's one of more than one hundred cases like it where essentially has shown themselves. There's huge waves of sightings across the world where they've announced their presence. They put on what researchers call a display, because usually they're somewhat evasive and not wanting to be seen, but often they'll put on absolute show and clearly want to be seen. I did a whole book on driving movie theater encounters. This is recent. It really knocks me over. I'd been in this field for decades and I had no idea this was a thing. But I've found over one hundred cases across the US where these craft will show up at a drive in movie while it's playing and put on a show that's far better than the movie. This very rarely got national headlines, but a lot of cases in the newspaper clippings of this. So my point is disclosure has happened. On the et side. They've given us enough evidence photographic landing traces, I mean, you name it, radar return cases, so that anyone who is objective and examines the evidence can only come to the conclusion that this is real. But yeah, I'm not so sure the US government is going to be the ones to sort of spill the beans on this. I think probably it's going to be a smaller government who's just I was a little bit roade and perhaps, you know, release this information that makes it inescapable that there is validity to this subject. I partially don't fully understand why they instantly went secret, Like did they realize that this wasn't from here, so we got to hide it? Like what for me? It's like, I get what we talked about, like the big three things, power, greed, and control, all that stuff, But like they've had to have known about these things for many years. What was the first time that made them go, oh, we can't talk about this, we have to hide it from everybody. To me, it just has always seemed a little weird. Yeah, one hundred percent agree. You know, Roswell is a very interesting incident way back in nineteen forty seven, because there was that press release which went nationwide, worldwide, really, and we were there. I mean, that would have been the disclosure event that changed everything, and this would have been dealt with in the public arena, but it was retracted the next day, and that's when the cover up really clamped down harder. We now know that there were several other crashes well before that, but from that point on, I mean, this is when people started. I mean, it's a constitutional crisis, no doubt. People have lost their lives over this, lost careers, it's broken up families. This is a very brutal cover up. It's been ruthless. Our governments have adopted a policy from the beginning, and I say governments kind of loosely against intelligence agencies more really, but they've explained everything, all sightings away as hoaxes, hallucinations, misperceptions, or mental illness. That's what Project Bluebook found, That's what the Condon Committee found, That's what every public government study found until very recently the last five years, and now there's a big sea change, I mean a complete reversal because governments have admitted that there is validity to this. They're still waffling and hemming and hying and taking two stats sideways about what it is, but we're not at the point where they've admitted there is truth to this in the being discussed officially. We're having regular congressional hearings, one coming right up. I've talked to Steve Bassett personally. He's a disclosure advocate, probably the leading one. I've spoken with Stephen Greer and other major researchers about this. It's going to happen. But having been in this field for so long, I am just jaded. Our government has traveled had this so badly. They've chosen very poorly to cover this up. Truth and transparency is always the best policy, and I understand there's certain things that probably it's not best for the general public to know, but to say that there's nothing to this and to paint all witnesses as liars and mentally ill and idiots is not fair. And it's, like I said, disingenuous. I love that word, because they know full well that this is real, and they're talking out of two sides of their mouth. It's ridiculous. This has to stop. Now when it comes to this upcoming meeting. By the time this airs will already be over with. But when the meeting with Congress happens, I think it's the thirteenth of November, is that right? So a neck like about a week or so from now, right, What do you actually think will get accomplished with that? Because I personally don't believe there's going to be a whole lot of ground or earthshaking college admitted to because I feel like the last few that they've had has always been somewhat of a I don't know how to describe it, and like they're only talking about what they want you to know. There's still a lot of stuff they're not talking about. Yeah, I remember a couple of years ago when they had the Pentagon, you know, the head of the Pentagon, Multrie and daily testifying about this. I wanted to throw stuff at the TV because they were, I'm demonstrably lying. They were asked, have we ever shot at these craft? And they both said no, we have, Well, yes, we have the Battle of La nineteen forty two, I think it was. There's documentation proving that we shot fifteen hundred rounds of ammunition at this CUFO hovering over Culver City throughout nineteen fifty two. Read the book by Frank Fashino Junior. Shoot them Down, and there's no doubt we had a policy of shooting at these craft and have So that was a flat out lie. They were asked about Malmstrom, the very famous incident in nineteen sixty seven where UFOs shut down our missiles, our nuclear tipped missiles, and they said, we have no reporting on that. These are the head of the Defense Agency. That is just not credible to me. So that was the first real rsional hearing that we had, and there's been a bunch of them, and this has gone mainstream. We now have Mark Rubio and Kristen Jillibrand and all of these senators and representatives and governors talking about this very seriously. So I am very much encouraged. But then we had that recent hearing with Fravor Brush and Graves and they testified before Congress and I'm like, wow, this is unprecedented. This is definitely movement that we've never had but the majority of the meeting was the senators talking, not the witnesses. And the senators said, yes, there is a cover up, but wow, that's cool they're admitting it. They said, yes, this is real and some of us have had encounters. And the guy who was speaking said, I'm not going to name names. That really made me angry because if we want truth and transparency, and that's what they're fighting for, name names, come forward and tell the truth. And they talked all about sightings and the possibility of crash retrievals. Never once did they mention that these craft are landing. I mean there are thousands upon thousands of very well documented landing trace cases. Never talked about the contactees of the onboard phenomenon, which is really the cutting edge because there's a lot of people out there who are having full on, direct fully conscious contact. They should be testifying before Congress, not people who've seen a light in the sky. So it was all talk, no action, nothing's getting done. This is the beginning, and that's how you kind of start. But I'm kind of with you on this. I don't think we're going to get a whole lot out of this. What I suspect is going to roll out over the next few months or years, assuming we can get that far without just drawing ourselves. Honestly, I think they will probably release some footage. They've done that with a tiny little white dot, but they've got literally a year's worth of gun camera footage from Air Force jets alone, a very very clear footage. Loue Alizondo and other whistleblowers have talked about this, so there's footage out there that leaves no doubt that this is real. I think we'll start to see some of that. We may even get a piece of metal. Are we going to see the roswell craft or the bodies? I doubt it, not for years, but you know, maybe maybe I'm wrong. I hope so I would love to me that's the endgame of disclosure. Show us craft, show off the bouts, show us the bodies, admit that this is real and has been for at least eighty years that they've known, and then I think we're getting somewhere For me. I feel like I think I kind of just alluded to it, but like there's going to have to be some major event that triggers that. I don't think the slow rollout of information is going to be the major shift to people's perception. That's going to have to take like mass full blown UFO and daylight sightings or something like and you can totally tell they're not just an airplane or something they can spin away. It has to be something full on contact. I don't know if it means Independence Day style of rolling in on top of major cities, but there's gonna have to be something that goes on in order for them to try and spin it the way they want to spin it. But I just don't see them ever coming out fully and being able. This is what's out there. They've covered it up too much. And if you will admit to the lie, now, what else are you lying about? And I think that's a big problem for them is they've lied too much, So what else do they lie about? That everyone starts to questioning every single thing about the government. Most people don't trust the government in general. Now they're really never going to trust them. Yeah, it's not just this subject they're lying about. I mean the horrible, heinous things they've done to our own citizens. I mean feeding people hallucinogenics and sterilizing people and your radiating them. It's not okay, that's not even with UFOs. I'm right with you. It's gonna take something major. And you know, contactees have asked the ETS themselves, you know, why don't you just show up and not go away? And they say, we're not doing that. You guys are not ready. The major obstacle to open official contact with the ETS is our own warlike ways, our own inability to tell the truth, and each of us holds some culpability, some responsibility for this. It's such a difficult situation because, let's face it, the average person doesn't have a whole lot of power to be able to affect change. But I've always said this, the humanity, you know, the people at large, is the most powerful force on this planet. It's not our governments, it's not the intelligence agencies. It's us. And if everyone just got together, even if the whole UFO community could just reach a baseline of what we know and don't know and what we can agree upon, that would be a step forward. Because there have already been incidents like the Phoenix lights is a good example, or there was a wave in France in nineteen fifty four, that is, people should know about it, and I'm surprised that a lot of people don't, because in October November of nineteen fifty four, there was think about five thousand sightings over a period of two months, many hundreds of landings, an incredible number of humanoid reports. There's no doubt that people in France, the government in particular, knows this is real. Here in the US, in nineteen seventy three, again strangely, October November, it's called the Year of the Humanoids, and there was case after case after case daily throughout those months, and look up, oh gosh, November nineteen fifty seven, right after Sputnik, there was a rash of sightings all across the world of cars being stopped on highways, very much like Close Encounters with Richard Dreyfuss. Case after case after case of this. It's astonishing. Ets have put on enough shows and displays and demonstrations to absolutely disclose their presence, but there's a brutal cover up. And I don't think the the et the cold contact is we're not going to upset your society to that degree until you're ready for it, and you're not. So if it should happen, probably government doing it because there's a lot of buzz in the field right now about a false flag, fake et invasion. Yeah, I'm very concerned about it. I've saw a lot of that too. Birdly enough. About a month ago, we had mass sightings here in my area of Indiana. There were up to six. A lot of the photos I've seen there's been three lights, almost triangular shape, but they're in that pattern. You can't really see what it is other than you just see three round lights. But there's also another one, and some of the photos there were six lights, but they all make that triangular shape and they were seen in multiple areas. My sister in law and niece seen one. She actually contact at my wife to tell her that tell me that they just saw this thing. I had an uncle that saw it, I had I think another aunt and uncle that maybe had sawd about. That's what they had told me. And I've had multiple friends and other people reach out to me that have saw this because they were flying in this pattern. And there was an article posted from the Daily It's the UK thing that always posts or whatever. I sometimes don't take that as very reliable, but they had a big article about and they supposedly reached out to the air Force base that isn't too far from here. It's an inactive base anymore. But they were supposedly releasing flares what people claimed in the base denied that, so they don't do that because they're an inactive there's just an air reserve base. And now they just most of the stuff was planes coming in for being repainted. So what were people seeing? I saw videos, I saw photos, and it went on for a long time, and apparently there was a Doppler radar image, which again I don't know how true this could be, but it was almost fifteen like miles in circumference and it went a straight pattern, but there was no clouds or nothing, so there was no rain, but it showed up as a green dot and it went up in a straight path, the same path that these things were flying. So that's very strange, and this is I think October seventh. Wow, Yeah, that's there's a lot of stuff going on. You know, I've seen UFOs myself. You know, I havn't talked to so many people with in my own family and friends and you know, my circle of people. I know, we've seen stuff. I felt a little left out, and eventually I did see stuff because I was very I needed to know, all right, And I think a lot more people have had in Connors than the general public realizes. There's no doubt it's I've had someone send me something back in the summer that is very interesting. I've never released it or anything. I need to actually talk with them about it. But there is around this area. There's been a lot of weird sightings and stuff, and I've always used to correlate it because we used to have the Air Force base like ris Some Air Force base isn't too far from here, but it's now an air reserve base, so supposedly they don't do active stuff like this. But if things were flares, it's strange that no one's admitting to dropping flares. And I don't think flares would fly in a pattern stuff for my own sake, like I didn't see them myself, but I've seen other things similar. It makes you really wonder what it is you're looking at. And I don't honestly think that every UFO out there is ets. I think a lot of it somehow is military related. Yeah, but but. There's still that chance that there is some things that are not. I've often said when people see something and I ask them a question, is like they have lights, Yeah, its red and green as it. Well, it's probably not a UFO in the sense of I don't think ets are going to abide by the traffic air traffic laws of red and green flashing lights. I don't think they have the same things to abide by. So for that, I think those are usually going to rule out as known craft. But when it comes to other things like the black triangles that they see but no lights on them, I mean, I can't explain that unless it's a secret military thing. But who knows. Yeah, I think that there's you know, particularly these days, most of what people are seeing is military, and we have to be very very careful because even back in the late nineteen eighties when I started doing this research, I was interviewing people who are some of them are pretty highly placed within government. I mean I've talked to Coastguard captain, a submarine navigator, some military subcontractors, and a good number of these people you know, who have worked in the I've worked interviewed some Navy guys. They've said that way back then, at least twenty percent of what people were seeing was probably military, particularly around military bases. But I think these days that percentage is much higher. When you said you had your own sightings and everything, when was this. Yeah, the first, well, you know, I had, I've seen some unexplained lights. There was a huge wave of sightings over weirdly, my hometown to Penga Canyon. I had never seen anything growing up, and I just moved out of that area to a nearby suburb of Canoga Park. But on June fourteenth, nineteen ninety two, there was a wave of sightings. People were calling the police, they were calling the local newspaper. The editor called me because I'd written an article for the local newspaper, The Messenger, and asked me to investigate it. And I got a police tape that was snuck out of the police station, and knew a lot of people in that area. So I was really gung ho investigating all these sightings. And I had a number of sightings of what I would call anomalous lights. But here's the thing that, weirdly, finding out UFOs were real, I played a number on my brain. I'm the way I looked at the world. I became even more skeptical in a weird way because I'd been lied to. You know, everything I thought was true wasn't. Not everything, but you know a lot of it. So i'd see this stuff, I'd be like, well, you know, that's a light in the sky. I'm not willing to go there and say that this is an ATA craft. But that kind of started to change because in nineteen ninety two June, let me see, I narrowed this down. July fifth, Sunday, I was on my way home after having visited my brother Mark and his wife Christy, my sister in law, and it was in the middle of this huge wave of sightings. It went on for two years. They lived in Woodland Hills, which neighbors to Penga Canyon in southern California, and they lived on this tiny side street called Golandrina, and it's very narrow and it can basically it's almost a one lane road. So I'm coming around this hairpin corner, which is very steep and you can't go fast around that corner. It's five miles per hour tops, and they have them coming around this corner. I'd see what I first first thought was a bird. And when you see this stuff, you don't immediately think you have all you go through this whole series of like, what can this possibly be that I'm looking at? And very quickly I thought it was a bird swooping towards my car, but realized it wasn't because it was glowing and it was round. So it being July fifth, I'm thinking, well, a firecracker is heading for my car. And it dropped down and stopped and hovered over my hood of my car, right in front of my windshield. And it was an orb about as big as a well slightly smaller than a tennis ball, and it was bright white yellow, not super bright. It didn't hurt the eyes, but it was glowing. And you know, then I'm thinking, is it's a reflection, and instantly discarding that because I can see it. It's a foot away, two feet and it starts starting back and forth in front of my windshield. I mean it stopped right in front of my face, went to the right, went all the way to the left, back all the way to the right, back right in front of my face, stopped there. So I can see this is intelligently controlled, there's no doubt. And this is solid. This is not like an amorphous light. This has hard edges, so it looks like technology to me. At any rate. It darts forward, dips down, it almost hits the ground, goes straight up and I leaned forward. I'm gripping the steering wheel. You know. The car has stopped at this point, and I watch it go right up through the trees and it's gone. And that's the last I remember. I don't remember driving home that night. I don't remember turning around, which I would have done because I've had other sightings since then, and you know, tell my brother, Ah, you're not gonna believe what I just saw. I completely forgot the whole sighting. Actually, And it's funny because I've interviewed a lot of people and they'll say something like, oh, UFO landed in front of our car. The whole family saw it, and we completely forgot it. Like what do you mean there was four of you, Like, I can't explain it. We just did not remember. Or maybe one of them will remember bits of it and they start talking and suddenly it all comes rolling out. It was kind of like that for me, And now I know what they mean because it was a few months later that it just popped into my head. I'm sticking to my story. I mean this happened to me. This is not something I imagined. It's very vivid, but I don't know. I mean, I think I had missing time. And it wasn't long after this. I'm dreaming about going on board UFOs and seeing the inside of them. And these are not normal dreams by any means, which are very mercurial and shifting and bizarre. These were very coherent narratives, so being on board of the UFO, sometimes being examined, or being given a tour, or various things like this being instructed. And it built up from there because that year was a month or later that we went on a family vacation up to Greater Lake and me Christine Mark had another sighting where this light appeared overhead and we were blinking at it with a flashlight and no one's blinking back at us. And then we went back to LA and I Stephen Greer came to town to form the c Setti group in La where you try to do CE Five's close encountered the fifth kind human initiating encounters and try to call down UFOs. And he did a whole lecture. He quoted a few of my cases in his presentation, saying here's how you called on UFOs because I had interviewed this guy who used lights to call down UFOs accidentally lights and lasers, and he had a couple of really close encounters doing this. And we went out that night a good fifty of us and had a sighting. So I was hooked. I joined that group. We went out the next night, had more anomalous light settings, and ended up having a core group of about ten of us, with people coming in and out of the group. But we would go out once every couple of months or so to some remote location outside of LA, as remote as we could get, and more often than that we wouldn't see anything, but sometimes we did. I mean, one time it was so cool, we had just decided to leave for the evening, nothing showed up. We were in the Santa Susanna Mountains of Chatsworth, right outside of LA and I saw a light flash from a mountaintop about a mile away, two miles or so, and I said, guys, stop, I saw something, and we all stopped, and immediately it flashed again. So we were pulling out our flashlights and we're blinking at it, and it's blinking back, and I'm looking at this thing. It's a big bright light, but it's on the ground. It's on a mountaintop. I know this area well, it's called Rocky Peak. I've hiked up there and there's a fire break that goes up there, but where this thing was, there's no trails. And later some of the people from our group went up there to verify this. And I'm still thinking, well, this could be a person because it's on the ground. Right. Kind of knew it wasn't because these lights were so bright. But I'm, like I said, skeptical, and I'm looking at this thing kind of shaking my head. I'm like, this is not good enough. Now, this is interesting, and we're blinking back. But this could be some camper, some hiker. And that's when this thing flashed this enormous bright, red parismatic light. And you could not do this with a filter. I mean, this would be a search light sized red light. I don't know how you can possibly do that, you know, bringing that up even a fire break which is closed at night by the way, so there's a gate. You can't bring stuff up there of any size. That was cool. That was something else that was probably one of our best sightings. But after that, I had pretty regular sightings. I mean, another really good one, if I might. I'd been interviewing this lady who's a contactee who had just crazy experiences with grays coming into her room, absolutely freaking her out. The surrounded her bed. Once she jumped up and kicked one in the neck, and she said, I think it broke its neck. Is its neck snapped and it fell to the ground, But it stopped them from taking her that night at least. So I had recorded this interview with her, and she's talking about hybrid babies and all of this stuff. And I had gotten to that part of her interview, which I'm transcribing on my computer. I live in a three story condo at the time in Canoga Park, and I'm leaning back in my chair. It's like midnight in nineteen ninety four or so. I'm thinking, I don't know, I don't know if this lady's telling me the truth. I knew she was because I'd interviewed her face to face. He was very sincere refused to have her name used, didn't want any publicity, didn't want to go on camera, nothing like that. And I still know her. She's a very good friend and I'm thinking, she just wrapped my head around this. Someone's kicking a gray. Now. I know many other cases where this has happened, but back then I didn't. I knew of the Travis Wallam case where he reached out and socked one of them and that was it. So I'm leaning back in my chair thinking I wonder what to do about this, And that's when I got an overwhelming, irresistible impulse to run out onto the roof of my condo building. You're not allowed to do that, and I don't go up there because you know it's against the rules. But I did, and I couldn't resist it. Not only did I go up there, I grabbed my eyeglasses, which I really only used for driving. I don't need them legally, and they were down in my car three stories down. I ran down on all the way to my car. This is a secure building, so I had to get my keys, grabbed him out of my car, ran up to the roof of my condo and I'm sitting there with my glasses on, standing there thinking what am I doing? And I wasn't up there a minute. It was probably ten seconds, you know, maybe twenty, And I'm looking to the north, and that's when this light appears. And it was big. I mean, this was a twenty foot wide, oval shaped, fiery looking raft. I have to say it was a light. I didn't see any metallic texture or portholes or anything, but this was big and was right above the apartment building across the parking lot in the Little La River there. And as soon as I saw it, flashed a telepathic message at me. And this wasn't words, it wasn't English. It was just a knowing and it said, you know, it's us. We're I'll call her Wendy. We're Wendyzt's it's us. We're real. She's telling the truth and if you don't believe, watch this will s prove it again. Not in words, but that was the message, and I got it because this darn thing, which was just above the apartment building couldn't have been more than fifty one hundred feet up and two hundred maybe three hundred feet away, guarded to the left and then to the right, and then to the left and then to the right, and did that ten times, getting even lower to where it went right behind the palm trees. So I could see that this was low and this was close. So then it disappeared and I'm like, oh my gosh, okay, that was real. I mean that knocked my socks off. I called her the next day because it was pretty darn late, and I'm like, you're not going to believe it. Your et showed up and they said, you're for real, you're telling the truth. She laughed, like, what do you mean you didn't believe me. I'm like, no, no, no, it's not that I didn't believe you. It's just this is a lot. And talked about it and laughed. I'm like, listen, are you know you're in telepathic contact with them? Right? She said, well yeah, I've told you this. I'm like, well, can you set up a sighting? She said, you just had one? Is that not enough? And I said, well no, I wasn't ready. She's said, well, okay, I'll try. I can't guarantee anything. But she calls me back a few days later and she says, okay, they agreed they'll show themselves to you again. I'm like, okay. She says, what we need to do, She's going to go to this place on Tuesday or whatever day. It was off the two ten Freeway in Pasadena. She said, I know exactly where to go, So off we went. I brought my sister in law, Christie, and my nephew, her son, who was like twelve, and we parked on the freeway. That's illegal. I'm like, Wenday, this is We're not really supposed to park here, and she said, well we have to. This is where they said to go. There's nothing there. These are just their wilderness mountains. Nothing there. There was a fire break, a big dirt road that led up this very small mountain, a large hill, and it took us about twenty minutes to get to the top of pretty difficult hiking, and Christy and James had fallen behind, and me and Wendy reached this little plateau and she's like, this is where they said deb I'm like okay, and then start looking around and she screams, grabs my shoulders, spins me around, and it's like, look, she didn't need to tell me to look, because right in front of us, I'm talking maybe fifty feet away, last even forty and about twenty feet up was this beautiful glowing sphere was covered with scintillating golden lights. I mean, this thing was exquisite. It was the most beautiful thing I think I've ever seen, totally silent, just hovering there, bouncing slightly, and we'd jumping up and down. I completely forgot about my camera on my neck. I didn't want to take my eyes off this thing. I mean it grips you when you see something like this. I mean it brought tears to my eyes. This thing was. It was about the size of a house and we're just looking at it, absolutely awestruck. When it starts to slowly drift away. We saw it for maybe twenty seconds and started moving at about five miles per hour, moving to the side, and then started going faster, and then it zipped around this mountain, which is probably a mile wide, in less than a second. I mean it moved so fast. There was a tracer of golden light it left behind, and I saw it very quickly stopped for a second as it disappeared behind the mountain, and it was gone. And that's when Christine James, my nephew, walked up and we're looking at us, like what's wrong. So we were speechless. We're like, oh, oh, that was such a cool sighting. I mean I've had a number of this kind of thing happen over the years. I think for me, the sightings that I've had, they were actually recent. Here. One was about a year ago, and you'd mentioned you didn't think about the camera you had. There was one out back and it was an orange glowing orb and it was over the field. I yelled for my wife, ailed for my son. They all come out. We looked at it. We watched this thing for about five minutes. Never once did I think about getting out my phone that was in my pocket to record it. Like it's weird, Like I've literally made comments like how does people never get this stuff a video? I'm just as guilty, So like your brain, it's almost like it's programmed not to even think of that. But then a couple weeks later, we saw something out front. I thought it was starlink at first, but it was just a straight line and it was never moving. And then when we got closer to the house we were trying to record it were so on the vehicle and by the time I got out of my vehicle it had vanished. So you see it fadings. It's strange, But no, there's years and years ago, and I wish I could still find the VHS tape I'd recorded something that was it looked like the moon was out. This was back on the old angles was like in the like ninety eight ninety nine, so twenty five years ago, back when he had the big full on VHS tape recorders. That is a I went outside to record it because the moon was on the other side, like the moon would have been setting, and this thing was just hovering over the woods and it looked like it was a big white orb and it looked like a moon, except the moon was the opposite direction. So there had been no way to unless there was two moons that night, which is strange. But yeah, I had that on recording somewhere, and you knows where that tape is. Like I said, it's been twenty five years ago. But again, even as a kid, stuff like that always interested me. I don't know what it was, but there was just something about the idea of UFOs and aliens all that stuff, Like I said, It's always been something that's fascinated me. So kind of why I do what I do, right. Yeah, I think most of the people who are researchers have had some contact. I know some really prominent researchers who don't talk about it, but they've definitely had full on contact. And for me it kind of rolled out slowly. I never called myself a contact tee, but over the years it's you know, it's kind of a you know, I can't deny it anymore. How many sightings do do you have to have? Because I've started to realize this, it's not unusual for a person to have one sighting, but if you've had two or three and anything close up, there's a deeper level of contact going on here. For the most part, I believe that too, like if you have more than and this actually relates to other things. Well, I talk to people say they've had a cryptid encounter. Well, usually if you dive deeper into what I think, they've also talked about, Well, they've also seen a UFO. Or if someone has paranormal activity in their house and you ask them if you've ever seen a UFO, usually they've seen a UFO. It's very weird how once you have like one experience, you also experience almost like UFOs, or they've seen orbs or stuff like that. It's very almost interconnected. I think, yeah, I've had a big foot in Connor. I've seen ghosts. And it's weird because when I start inter you know, interviewing people about UFOs and having my own encounters, I started having major experiences with astral projection just still going on, and I've interviewed a lot of people. It's like, yeah, this is absolutely connected. So I ended up writing a whole book on my own experiences, which are still going on. But that's absolutely a pattern. There's something about contact that wakes people up and you might start having healing abilities, clairvoyance, remote viewing, medium ship, telepathy. For sure. That's how ets communicate. And I think that's part of the key to this, because just being in their presence sort of ignites this ability in people. Because it's a natural human ability these things. It's not supernatural. It's just unexplained, so we call it supernatural. But anyone can do these things. And if you look for them. I mean, if you want to see a big foot, go out into the wilderness and look. And if you want to see a ghost, you know, go to the Queen Mary, go to some of these haunted plantations and hotels and cemeteries and I mean school, there's a lot of haunted places out there that are very well known and you can have an experience with all of this stuff. Would you like to talk a little bit about your bigfoot experience? Yeah? Sure. This was totally unexpected because I suspected UFOs. I mean, we're connected to bigfoot. There's a lot of cases of this, but I had avoided bigfoot altogether because I thought, you know what, if it's real, this is going to be a whole subject that I'm gonna have to do a deep dive in. I'm just not ready for that to can of worms. And of course it was. And I got my first case of this guy who had a UFO land in his backyard, and it was followed by a big foot in color the next day and poultrygeist outbreak, so it was clear there was a connection there. I started getting more cases where these phenomenon intersect perfectly, and we lived up in Actin. This is on the other side of the La National Forest in southern California. The La National Forest is a huge bigfoot hotspot. I had no idea, but it's a huge wilderness area and right outside of La you know, a half million acres. I think it is something like that, with lots of big foot encounters. And so she's telling me she's having big foot problems. I'm like, what do you mean big foot problems. She's like, well, it's communicating telepathically with me. This is the same lady who showed me a UFO. This is the same lady who you know kicks the gray. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. She's like, no, no, I'm telling you. The neighbors are up in arms about it. Their horses are going crazy. There's footprints outside my house. It showed up one day and looked into her bedroom window, then walked around the house and looked into the window of her son, who verified this. It stood in a little tree. He broke this big, thick, six inch branch right off. I got pictures of it. Went to the next room and looked at the roommate, talked to him too. They all verified this. She said it would scream at night, like a woman being murdered, just this horrific scream. And she said, I think it's trying to kidnap me. And she's like, they don't kidnap people, do they. And I'm like, well, no, no, there's no cases. I was wrong. It turns out there are. I was not really educated on bigfoot at this point. I since have written a book about it and written extensively and interviewed quite a few people. But she said, also, one evening it came and put a boulder on her roof. She heard this huge cock lump on her roof, this huge thumping sound. Woke up the next morning and there's a pretty large boulder on her roof. It took two or three men to get up there and push this thing off her roof. Bigfoot are all about stone growing this sort of thing and vocalizing. So she's having all this going on, right, and she's like, I think I know where it lives. Like you're kidding, She's like, no, No. She lived in a fairly rural area which was right off a major freeway, the fourteen Freeway which connects to the five Freeway. I mean, this is a pretty big freeway and she lives four or five miles off of it. She's like, come up, I need to talk to you. You need to see this. So I went up there. I interviewed her, I talked to the people. I looked at the tree, I looked at the footprints. They weren't super impressive, but it was something. And she's like, it lives down this valley about two miles three miles away. I'm like, well, let's go, you know, do you want to go up there? And she's like, okay, if you come with me, algo. So we did, and we brought camra equipment and sound equipment, and we drove up there around dusk and you go off this little rural road onto a dirt road which winds for a mile or two up into this very steep canyon on the edge of the National Forest and it's very rairal. There's no lights, no sign of civilization at this point other than this dirt road. And she's like, it's right around here, this canyon here, see, this is where it's coming out of. I'm like, okay, and by now it's getting dark, the stars are just coming out. I drove there. She was in the passenger seat. So she gets out and starts unloading the equipment that we brought, sound equipment, mostly because she says, I'm telling you it's going to show up. And I walked out to the front of the car and I'm just surveying the area, trying to get the lay of the land when I heard this roar, and I'm like, what the heck is that, and thought for a second of a jet fighter was dive bombing me, even though it obviously wasn't that. It was a roaring sound of an animal. And I've been to the zoo when a lion roared right next to me, it thumps in your chest. It was kind of like that, but it was a different sound. It was multitonal, very low bass sounds, but kind of vibrated in your chest. And you know, in my home in Tapanga, we lived next to the guy who did the Mercury cougar commercials and had cougars caged up and we would hear them roaring constantly. So I know what cougars and big cats sound like, coyotes, all of that. We grew up in a pretty nature area. I'm all about bears. I know what bears sound like, and it wasn't any of those. This roar went on for about twenty seconds, and she just went absolutely wide eyed and froze in fear. Me I'm like trying to figure out where this thing is coming from. When it stopped roaring, and then it roared again, and this time I knew it was coming from this canyon she had pointed to. And if you look at this canyon, the walls are about forty five degrees steep, covered with thick brush. It's not hikable. It's I mean, you could have you could do it, but it would take you hours to get just a mile. It was real rough terrain. And I hear this thing roar, and I can tell now I can kind of triangulate it because I'm moving my head back and forth, that it's very close. And it's just a few hundred yards off towards this canyon, and I go running towards it because I want to see this storm thing. And she's losing her mind. She screams at me, what are you doing. We're leaving right now. You stop, You get in the car. We're going, and she was hysterical with fear, so I had to stop. She says it roared a third time. I made myself a very careful, trained observer. At this point, it roared twice. I'm pretty sure. I can't fully say for sure. She says it roared three times. I don't know. Whatever the case, she made me get back in the car and we had to drive off. I never saw it. I heard this dark thing and I cannot identify this as a bear or a cougar, and that's the only thing that could possibly be. So that's my big foot in counter. They are very strange things to experience, especially I can't say I've experienced a big foot, but I've experienced something and it's It's one of those things that still sticks with you every day, at least it does with me, like to try and rationalize what it could have really been. So right, So when something like that happens, really it's so it's like wow. Every time I've seen a UFO, it's been thrilling. There was one time I was doing a c SETI you know thing with our group, trying to call down UFOs, and like precedent, it's your time to lead the group. I'm usually a wallflower, you know, I'm in the background. I don't want to lead them meditation. I just want to be there and maybe experience it like no, no, no, you've never done it. We've been doing this for years. It's your turn. And this was a nationwide we were all doing it in different states, so it was a kind of a big deal. So we went up to an area, this Panga Canyon, which was having a lot of sightings. This was I wrote the date down. I think it's ninety four ninety six. They're about at any rate. We're all in a circle and we're meditating, you know. I'd led the meditation, which is basically just a relaxation and visualization thing where you visualize where you're at and you project your consciousness upwards and mentally reach out and it works. This is the most effective technique. It's not really lights or anything. It's pelepathy because that's how these ets communicate. And so we've all got our eyes closed. I know I do, and we're just visualizing. I kept getting this message which was snagging and insistent, like look up, look up, look up, the couple of cup we're here, look up. And I'm thinking it's me right, So I'm just ignoring it. But it just started to get so annoying. I'm fine, I'm gonna open my eyes and look up. And as soon as I did it, the very second I saw this pin prick of light and it became huge and filled up a good portion of the sky, third of the sky, kind of always compared to if you were lying under a glass table and someone spilled milk and it's just this ever widening circle of light and then it winked out. I mean it was maybe three seconds long, and I didn't have the time to say, hey, look everybody, and it was out, and so I'm the guys I just saw something. And they're all looking at me like, yeah, sure you did. But you know, they know me as an honest guy. But I felt kind of bad because I'm like, you know, I was the one who saw it. But it turned out, you know, I Topanka is a small town. I grew up there. I know a lot of people and I'm very well connected, and I was putting up flyers trying to you know, find people with add sightings. I got a call from someone who was driving through that area on that night. They were about two miles away on the Topanga Canyon Boulevard when they said a UFO showed up and they saw a craft full on hovering right over the ridge, which was visible to me. I mean, it was so close and they said it was around the same time I saw it, and they described it as this not quite a circular craft, something more oddly shaped, and it tilted on its side, and it flashed like twenty or thirty lights at them as if to, you know, put on a little display and make sure that they noticed that this was not a normal aircraft. It was below the canyon walls, right above a little ridge. Planes are not allowed to fly through the canyon at that altitude. Could not have been a plane. Two witnesses I interviewed them both, RAINA. Massey, Bruce Merrifield. His father was an aircraft designer, so he's very familiar with aircraft. Just like the invest in, this wasn't anything normal, totally silent, So that was for me a corroboration of my own sighting. But yeah, I've had a lot of those. I know you've written a lot of books. Before we wrap this one up, do you want to let the audience know a little bit about your books and where they can find them at. Oh, yeah, I appreciate the opportunity. I've written a bunch of sort of history style books about the history of UFOs in various states, from California and New York, across the Midwest, Colorado, Nevada. I think five or six of those Arizona also. I think probably my favorite book is Symmetry that's about the experiences of a fully conscious contact to you by the name of Bali Saffron. I wrote a book on board ufone Connors. That's my best seller, Schoolyard ufone Connors. I love that one, which profiles all the schools that I've had encounters. I've written about my own out of body experiences. I'm currently working on Symmetry too. I've also written a series of books, five volumes about really unusual, bizarre outlining cases of contact or weird patterns in UFO research, like UFO is having over graveyards or prisons or minds, this sort of thing, airports, hydroelectric dams. So I had a lot of fun with that whole series of books. I've always got something I'm working on, and the latest of the Symmetry, the sequel, and another book about autobody experiences. Where they available at. Well. I do have a website so you can read excerpts there. If you just punch in my name on the Internet, it'll take you there. Can get them on Amazon, Barnes and Noble bookstores. I have a YouTube channel where I put on my research. I do a weekly podcast with Dolly Saffron each Monday evening the lightgate. So I'm busy. I'm it's my goal really to well. First goal is to help people who are having contact. I get a lot of calls from people we just want someone to talk to. Put next is to educate people and really figure out what's going on here. So I'm working hard on every level that I can. I'm all over social media. I'm pretty easy to contact. I will try and make sure to include whatever links I can in the show notes for people. Awesome, I appreciate it. Problem Preston, has been a pleasure talking with you, but I think we can and probably wrap this one. Up well, thanks very much. I had a lot of fun, so I really appreciate it. Thank you and no problem. Appreciate you coming on here to I talk with me. And for everyone out there listening, thanks to pressing. Thanks for listening. We'll check you out on the next one. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. 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