Ep. 194: Ohio Bigfoot & Alabama Dogman

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is. Waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. I like to take this title. Welcome my guest tonight, Zach. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Yeah, thanks for having me man, I appreciate. It, not a problem. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? All right? Yeah, I am from Southeast Ohio, thirty year old. I'm a machinist. In my off time, I like to spend a lot of time hunting, fishing, spending time with the kids and stuff like that. So nice, the all American dream. Yes, they're absolutely So. We kind of got in contact here very recently, which for me it's I'm booked out quite a bit. So yeah, I had some fitingling to do, but I was a managed to able to get you on here today. But uh, would you like to dive into or do you want to kind of set it up or how do you want to go about it? Well? Yeah, I guess the best thing to be described. You know, this was I believe twenty eleven. I was sixteen years old basically what it is. Probably had to get into that first. Yeah, had a big foot sighting back in twenty eleven. That'll be what I'm going over this evening. Okay, Yes, so basically you're having Yeah, you're good to go. Okay, Yeah, basically, like I said, twenty eleven, sixteen years old, junior in high school, it was the springtime, and it was the night before opening day a turkey hunting season, and like I said, Southeast Ohio. So I was going out the way I wy to turkey hunt, go out the night before and do some hoodol calls and when you do the hohodou calls the the turkeys. Whatever tree they're roosting in, they'll gobble for the night, so that way you'll know where they're going to be at in the morning, so you know where to hunt. So this place is only actually as the crew Fi is maybe a mile a little over a mile from my house right now. Even so, yeah, I had just got my license recently drove down there to uh it was publicly and Wayne National Forest. Anybody's familiar with Ohio. Actually it's national so yeah, anybody familiar with Wayne National Forests. It was out there. So there's this little gas below Roude. I get out of the car and start walking. I get maybe one hundred feet down the path and I get this weird smell, and you know, I'm looking around. I'm like, man, that's weird. Shouldn't be no dead animals. Nobody's been hunting anything yet, so it's not like a poacher or anything. Just after that animal, look at him. Couldn't find nothing. So I start walking a little more and then I start hearing leaves crashing, like there's an animal around somewhere. And I still I didn't see anything. Just keep on trucking along, and then I get maybe two hundred and two hundred three hundred yards down the Gaswell road and I got a real big whiff of it and I looked down. There's a little ravine off the side of the road, side of a Gaswell road, and I looked down there, and that's when I saw something. It was behind a tree that looked and I saw just a little movement. I started studying the tree. Tree was roughly seventy feet I believe down the hill. And the more I looked, I'm like, man, that looks like a hand. And about that time, it stuck at that out and I knew a lot of people, you know, when they see bigfoot, they say they don't really know what it is. I knew instantly there's no mistake in that. He ducked his head, booked around the tree at me, and I looked at him. We made eye contact for probably five seconds to stared at each other, and then he took off running. You know a lot of people, you know, they say when they see bigfoot, which I don't know, they're different kinds what the deal was, but yeah, a lot of them when they see Bigfoot, he'll either you know, get towards them or you know, slowly walk away. Now this one, it ran like a deer, like when you're in the woods and you jump a deer. Yeah, it ran, and man, I tell you, for like two minutes, I can hear leaves crashing through the wood. That he had to have been making some good coverage too. He was taking probably each stride he took was probably three to five feet. Yeah, just all the way there, man, hear it for like two minutes. What did his face look like? Kind of like the movie Harry and the Henderson's a little bit, but not exactly. The hair was he had kind of hair like a man right right, really long hair, like a man who hadn't cut his hair before. And then you know, kind of for the rest of it, you know, had you could see his cheeks and it wasn't necessarily a beard, but it wasn't just hair on his face either. I don't know how to really explain that, but yeah, the best thing I could really explain was that Harry from Harry and the Henderson's, but he had really long head hair. Kind of like this Jack Clink's looking sasquatch. In a sense, yes, but so much more realistic, so much more realistic. So Harry and the Henderson's. I always thought as a kid, I love the movie. Actually that my kids watch it here a couple of years ago. Yeah, I don't ever correlated that to looking like what what I thought a bigfoot would look like. It doesn't look like Patty or anything like that. So yeah, no, it was very like over overdone, I think. But again, I've never seen a big foot, so I can't really say yeah, yeah, but no, I I'm trying to picture, like what it like. What would you say the fur and skin piller. Were the fur of the skin color almost like a person with brown hair, not like real dark but not light either, like medium nights and medium brown hair, I'd say. Now, the nose. This is where I've noticed that there's different descriptions of how people describe the nose. Some claim it has more of a human looking nose, some other say it has more of a primary looking nose. What did it look like to you? To me, it looked like you had a human nos but not like your average human nose, like kind of like a person that you have to have like a fairly flat news It was kind of like that. Yes, it was a human nose, but more of like an abnormal human. News, so more like a flared up Yeah. Okay, yeah, now that is how tall do you think it would have been? If you could guess, well from looking down the hill, it was hard to tell. Six to eight feet, probably roughly around seven. He's pretty high up. That was a big, big oak tree, so and as far up as a knock, you know, I'd say, yeah, about seven feet. His head went up to about where the first notch in the tree was. Did this have any sort of impact on you for like going out in the woods. Not really, maybe for a couple of days. I definitely didn't go back and hunt that spot the next morning. Something. Oh, go ahead. I was just gonna say that actually make you more interested in the whole topic in general. Yes, yes it did. Yeah. Not a whole lot of people really believe me when I told him about it, But you know, you'll have that that's part of being a believer. So that's part of the stigma when it comes to anything like this is I don't know what the point of someone making up a story would be. Well exactly, Yeah, you're. Gonna get ridiculed about it. You're gonna get said you're a liar and you're gonna get made fun of. So there is no fame or glory of saying, oh I saw a big fe unless you bring in a body or you faked evidence or something like that try and get some notoriety. Just saying he saw something doesn't get anything for you other than people thinking you're crazy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's all you get really out of the whole thing's judged. So yeah, occasionally you'll find somebody that you know believes, but other than that, yeah, people just look. Down on it. So that is why I wish that people would not be so judgmental. But at the same time, it's like I said something about this today, there has to be some sort of skeptics out there because there are people that just go out there and make fake evidence, they fraud their frauds, they try and capitalize on whatever they can just for some monetary profits. But yeah, then you have people who legitimately have these experiences, and then you see people look them out there and post some straight up nonsense just because they think it's funny. Yeah, it ruins the whole thing for everybody. Like there's still that sad and you're trying to push this to be not to be so judgmental towards these people that have these experiences. But then you see someonone else coming out here saying that they did this, or Bigfoot comes in and has tea with them in the mornings and they baby sit the kids for them. Like what, yeah right, So. How you going to convince a believer or a skeptic that this is real or what you have happened is real? You saw something? But they're like, well, this lady over here says she has breakfast every morning with a bigfoot. Yeah, I don't know. Stuff like that. It irks me. Yeah, right, And so I don't want to saynd. I don't want to say I don't believe because I obviously I've seen it. But there are some people that what they say, what their perception of what they think Bigfoot is. It's just a lot of it I think out there based off what I saw most definitely the flesh and blood creature. See that's me personally. I would say yes, And there's some weird aspects to it too, But then I find out other things about the whole wou side to it, that that was all kind of creative by one person and other people just you know, you don't ever know, Like I said, Yeah, I've never seen an actual big foot myself, so I can't say one way or the other what it is. I know people are seeing something though, yeah. But yeah, I'm not going to rule out that a lot of people say that, you know, it might be an alien. They might be aliens or anything else. And then what you said, I don't remember which episode it was i'd heard the other day you have mentioned that a lot of people anytime they see anything, they just immediately go to that's a demon or enough. Of them, and right, yeah, that is a trendy thing. Yeah. Yeah, I try not to make assumptions and I try not to push what I think on people because I don't know any thing to tell someone that. Like, I'm if anyone comes at you and says they're an expert, there's no experts in this field. I don't care what anyone like. There's no scientist out there studying bigfoot, and if there is, they're not letting us know about it. So if he's an expert or she's an expert, it's because they have top secret clearance to know about Bigfoot. The average person like me and you don't have any access to Bigfoot, right, Yeah. I think there's a lot of weird things that go on in the woods. I think there's a lot of weird things that we don't know about. I'm not saying it's an alien, I'm not saying it's interdimensal. I'm not saying it's flesh and bloody, because at the end of the day, I don't know. Right, Like I said, anyone's guess is it's as good as the next person's. Yeah, exactly. Was this the only time you've ever had in experience like that? Yeah, yep. Now, I. Was gonna say, usually when I talk to people, they've had an experience. If you start to ask other questions, you find out they've had other experiences. So you've only seen the Bigfoot once, But have you ever had any sort of other sightings of anything else that would be other worldly? A few years ago, I used to get into some ghost hunting and whatnot, got a few EVPs here and there. Potential EVPs can't even that's another one of them things that there's literally no way to get one hundred percent proof. So, right, I had a few potential EVPs that sounded like. Something I don't ever know what to make of that, to be one hundred percent honest, Like, I've had people send me stuff, but I've cleaned up audio for them, and I've listened to some things that other people have caught and it sounded very freaking creepy. So yeah, I. Don't know how to take the EVP stuff because there is other explanations too, Like you could be picking up ambient noise from someone that's not necessarily there and you don't realize it's there. But at the same time, if it's in a completely empty space and you're picking up these voices, then how do you explain that? Yeah? Right, So again that's another one of those things that I don't have an answer for. Like I said, there is no experts, nobody has answers like that. I start the show to find answers and I just come away with more questions. Yeah. But so. Do you think the Bigfoot sighting had any sort of impact on what you're doing? Like right now? Like why devolved? Why now do you want to come out and talk about it? I have talked about it off and on, and then, like I said, I have a lot of free time at work, so you know, I've been listening to before I found your show, a lot of Sasquat chronicles with Wes Germer. Listen to a lot of that, and I thought, well, you know what, there's a lot of people out here telling the STF, telling their stories, so I think that was time for me to get in on it. Yeah, I'm I'm battling this stupid camera. I don't know what's going on with it. But now I spoke with Wes a little over a year ago. He's a good guy. Yeah, Like, this show was one of the first shows that I ever come across. So when I first started to look into podcast, I typed in big Foot and that was the first one that popped up. And then the first episode I heard, he was talking with someone that had a dog man experience, and that's what it was close home to me, is that, So I was like, oh, well something and then kind of it instantly hooked me because I'd never heard anyone really talk about that before. Yeah, So, well, usually I try and make these last a little bit longer, but if the episode itself is not very long, I try and piece it together and like have two different interviews. So if there's anything else you'd like to discuss, we can. If not, we can probably wrap this one up. Yeah, that's about all I got. Well, yeah, I can't really think about else. Man. I appreciate you coming on here talking with me though. Oh yeah, thank you for having me man, I really appreciate it. Yeah, not a problem. Like I said, for anyone listening. I understand that it is hard to come forward with stuff because of what we've already talked about. Like you're not going to get fame or fortune by saying you saw Bigfoot. I don't care what anyone thinks out there, Like all you're going to usually get is like eye rolls are ridiculed or something like that. But at the end of the day, if it helps someone come out and feel better about being able to talk about it, that's all I'm trying to do. So well, Zach, It's been a pleasure, all right. Thanks Brendon. With Michael, he's on the line now, so we're gonna dive on into that. So thanks for coming on here tonight and talking with me. Hey, glad to be here. I love doing shows. Yeah, thanks for being here. Would would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? My name is Michael. I am a retired police officer from the state of Alabama and now currently working in Georgia. I have been researching all cryptids in the Southeast, and one of my specialties is the Alabama white thing, because in Alabama everything is a thing. I don't know if that's just Alabama. I've heard some other places call things things too. You know how we do it down there, They don't. We don't trust the government, but you know, everything's a thing. I'm from Indiana. I still don't trust the government. I used to work for them, so I have even more reason I have to trust them. I understand that. So what got you into the whole cryptid thing in general? Like, what picture interest was it? Well? I always say I started eighteen, but it goes back before that. When I was in elementary school, we used to get them little books, and one was a book about Bigfoot, and I think I checked that thing out of the library. It had to be over a thousand times from kindergarten to fifth grade and just constantly reading about it. Then I got into lockness, monster, ghosts. It's just it intrigued me more than school actually did. I think a lot of people that I've talked to have brought that up. Like during school, they had the books where you could go in there and get like locked best monster, that stuff about Bigfoot that I think my school must have been leaned because I don't remember any of those books. But well, being from Alabama, that don't really expect us to know how to raid, so they know we know how to play football, just not raids. I won't even make a football reference to that one, just because Alabama had done really well for the last I don't know, fifteen years, got you guys pretty much had the whole college football thing in your hands. That that's true, but you know, a lot of people don't believe it. I'm more of a rugby guy. See, I've heard people talk about it, but I don't know if anything. I don't know if any schools in my area that actually do rugby. Well, pretty much every college in the Southeast has a team. It's just not as popular. Like I said, I I just I don't know of anything around here that has rugby. So maybe it's more of a Southern thing. I'm sure the bigger schools have it. I'll never hear about it. Yeah, But anyways, like the cryptids and everything else. You'd mentioned the one, the white thing. Do you want to talk a little bit more about that with the audience. Sure, the Alabama White Thing itself is more than just one being. It is. Four. You've got The most popular one is everybody says there's an albino sasquatch, which that's one definition of it. But another one is an older grumpy Think of Clint Eastwood's character in Grand Terno. You know the guy sitting there, get off my loan. That one. He's grumpy. He's not happy people's building homes and they're interfering in his yard. I mean, he's been known to throw trash cans, just pitch a fit. Then you have the cat like being. It's not near as aggressive, and everybody talks about it's a lot nicer. I don't know, I've never seen it. Then you have the wolfman perspective, and you know it's basically a solid white dog man, which is kind of like the one I seen on patrol one night. It looked more like a husky that was standing up on two legs with human features. And then you have what's popular in South Alabama, it's a being a white light nobody really has all the answers to it, but all the studies I've done research ground work. The Sasquatch one is very popular and very well in central Alabama along around Birmingham, Shelby County, Saint Clair County, even up North Alabama. It kind of crosses into the dog Man light version of it in Madison, Morgan, Limestone, and Lawrence Counties. The cat like being's been seen in Cleveborn, Calhoun. It's around Mount Cheehaw, which is freaking its own right, and I'll get into that in a little bit. The being of Light's more popular and around the beach of Gush Shores. Mobile with that area. We actually were in Gulf Shores. It'll be three years here now if we're down there for spring break in twenty twenty two. It's beautiful, love it. Yeah, we were right on the beach. We had a condo or time share or whatever they want to call. We rented that out. But we definitely had a lot of fun. But driving through there, I can totally tell on our trip through Ring the Trees and obviously coming down from Indiana we had to drive through the mountains and like going through Tennessee and all that other areas. Like the whole time, I'm just thinking like, this is like prime Bigfoot area. Oh yeah, y'all was I'm trying to think of interstate I know, y'all he had I fifty nine coming through the Cab and down to ed a wall and the Cab County has a lot of freaky stuff going on. It's a There's a town called Five, Alabama. It's the UFO capital of the state of Alabama. They even have a festival UFO days U and Plus I have reports left and right of weird howls coming from Little River Canyon, uh some one of the national parts there. Even in like downtown Fort Payne. I'm getting people calling and reporting it. There seems to be an uptick in the last couple of years, at least, maybe because I've been doing the show and I've been paying more attention. But I feel like there's a lot more people talking about this type of stuff there, but a lot more sightings of stuff. Have you noticed that too? I have, and I think there's just as many back in the day. People are just now more feeling more comfortable talking about it. It's years. For years, everybody was like you're just crazy you didn't see it. Now people's listening more, right. I feel like now the stigma isn't as thick as it used to be. I think a lot of the TV shows, like Finding Bigfoot and some of these other things that are out there now has helped kind of remove some of that hokiness to it. I guess, like people used to laugh or to talk about it. Now, I think there's still there's still a little bit of disbelief to it. I think more people are starting to turn to the fact that they're alright mentioning a lot. It's all some weird shit, you know. Oh yeah, there's definitely weird shit out there now. I can attest to that, and I know plenty of people that can also agree that they've seen some weird things. So there's definitely stuff out there that we don't know about and we can't explain. But people see it every day. Lord, Yes, I mean I've been getting calls from the town, the city I live there in right now, people seeing things like in our Dawntown area, I mean our downtown area. There's three rivers here. I mean, it's a haven for anything and restaurants and everything. They don't really have to hunt for a meal. They can just go to a dopester not so you know, they're they're coming out people saying things. Do you think do you think that you mentioned I don't want to switch topics or anything, but you were talking about like these cat like beans. Do you think they're different things in general? Like they're not all the same sort of because obviously there's a difference between a bigfooting a dog man. So anything that's considered a cat like being. I haven't really talked to anyone that's mentioned this before. I've heard some people talk about it. I've never really interviewed anyone that said anything about ever witnessing a cat like a feline version of a cryptid. So do you think do you think I like a dog man but like a I don't want to call it cat man, but something like that. Oh definitely. I mean there's different races, just I believe, just like humans, you know, they're just as different as way y'all are they coming out of shape sizes? I mean, there's no way there could be, you know, just one. I'm trying to convey a way of saying it without sound like I know at all. So I don't know anything. But for me, it's like, I think there's things out there that we don't understand in the sense of like how our mind processes it. But sometimes I wonder if some of the things that we see what people are describing. I don't want to say it's misidentification, but I wonder if our mind interprets it as the only thing that we can interpret it to, like we relate it to something that we know. So people describe seeing something looks like a big ape, or people see something to describe it looks like a big dog, or people say someone's like a big cat. What if these things are not even like that? And this is going out there on my weirdo stuff here, But what if our mind only processes it again as to something that we can relate it to. So maybe it's something that we don't understand fully and it manifests itself here and it just takes the shape of whatever we're relating it to be. You know, I have spent minion nights thinking about that myself, Like what if we're seeing maybe like an alien that's shifting like that, you know, trying to put something that puts us at ease. The way I see, like even though we consider aliens, maybe that's just the shape that our mind interprets them to be as well. Like, And I don't want to get all spiritual or weird or anything like that, but what if a lot of this stuff is something from a different plane of existence, and when enters our reality, our world, and has to take the physical characteristics of something in a three D realm, So it takes the form of these other things, and that's how it manifests itself. It's very possible, you know. I've heard people talk about different dimensions. I kind of I'm kind of on the fence about that, where it's possible, anything's really possible. But I don't really subscribe to that myself. I believe some of these things have always been here and they possibly evolved, like Sasquatch itself could have evolved from the gigantist pithecus, and other like the dog man could actually have evolved from maybe a dire wolf. I don't really no, I'm just kind of spitballing on that. But I really couldn't tell you what the cat people have evobed from, unless it was like the American cave line or something. I don't know much about any of these things. So I said, I'm no expert, and I honestly don't think there's very many people that are. I know some people claim they are, but it's hard to be an expert in something that's never been scientifically studied. Well, I always say there's no experts in this field. We I'll just spitball most of the time. Yeah, That's how I kind of construe things myself. Is everyone has good ideasn't. Everyone has their own beliefs, and some of them are right, some of them are wrong. Maybe none of them are right, like no one really knows. But I get so irritated with people that start to argue their opinion and their their opinion doesn't mean anything because unless there's some sort of actual proof to back up the opinion, again, it's just an opinion. Yeah, and that's what kills me when I see other researchers bad mouthing the other researchers come up they none of us experts in this Yeah, some of us just have researched something more than the other. I've said it plenty of times, and I'll always say this is a very toxic field to get into. And I didn't realize it. You would think a lot of people would want to work together and try and solve these weird mysteries and phenomena of what these things are and all this weird paranormal stuff to it and all those other aspects. But yet instead of doing that, everyone is out to get that first stake of cleaning it and they want that glory from it. So it's all competitive and everyone's arguing and fighting, and it's like a toxic boiling point for a lot of people. It really is. And I have friends, you know, we every one of us has research something different. Like me, I spent all my life in things from the Southeast. You know that that's me. I have other friends that that knows more about skin walkers and stuff like that, and I know nothing about things, And I'm glad if I need something, I can just pick up the phone and call them. You know. That's why I like we all specialize in something different. It's always good to have people that you can relate to and talk to because sometimes you can spit ball off each other and get some ideas. And for me, though, it's like in person wise, I don't really have anyone around here that's actually into this tour of stuff. So for me on my own, I'm kind of like the weirdo in my area because I feel I'm out here trying to do this documentary and I think, but ninety percent of the people around here, I think I'm like the town loku. Oh. I'm I'm so used to not people. I have friends around here that's into it. Like there's several cops I'm around, and they've all had some experience and they're into it. But it's not like being able to go to one central place and actually talk to people and spit by all ideas off of them. So I mean, I'm all forward. Somebody has something, I'll listen. I never quit learning. Have you ever had any of your own personal encounters or sightings of anything I did. I was on patrol one night or one evening and I got dispatched out and the call come in there was a somebody addressed in why killing dogs? So I was I was the only one close to the area, so I went to I cold dispatch. I was en route when I was there. The road there is backwoods, Alabama, so it's barely a two lane, and as I was going. As I was going, something very large and white crossed that road with three steps, so I'm like, holy shit, I hit my brake, hit my blue lights. I get out with my going out and I'm walking up this little hill and I well, basically it was thirty yards away. I'm looking at it, it's looking at me, and it is. It looks like a husky, A very tall. I estimated it being six five six eight, and it weighed three hundred to four hundred pounds. And there was no fat on this thing. It was solid muscle. I mean, if it wanted me, it could have got me in no time. How tall do you think it was? I want to say six five to six eight. The thing I saw somewhere between the thing I saw was about I would say I'm six foot three and we were out of eyes, so with the top of the ear, it is probably about six five ors. Yeah, this thing, it was solid. It looked just like a husky. And that's what shocked me because I've always heard you know, black in color, brown in color, but this thing looked just like a bipedal husky. And what really got me it was it had human features like hands, and instead of front legs, it was you know, arms and I mean, I got chill bumps talking about it. But it felt like I was staring at it for an hour. But the whole encounter lasted just a few minutes. And it it let out this sound, and I'm gonna say it was a sound that kind of sounded like a roar into a howl, and it was gone. It took off from me. It hit the woods, and there was no way I was gonna chase it. I got back to my car to dispatch you. Whatever it was got away from me, and I was going to respond to the scene. I got to this area and I talked to one of the older African American guys there. His name was Pete. He's passed away now. He's a great guy. And he looked at me and he said, why are you tell white? And I was shaken. I told him. He said you've seen it. I said, yes, sir, I did, and he looked at me. He said, that's something you'll never forget, son, And then he took me to big pit bulls that was ripped. I'm talking about ripped, my mouth down, ripped. I took pictures and you know, turned it into game and fish. But I never heard anything else. About it. Typically never hear much after it gets reported. No, I mean I even showed pictures of black panthers and never heard anything else about it. It's funny you mentioned that on our way back from Florida, we saw, or my wife did. She saw what she swore was a big black panther dead on the side of the road. I think we're on the Faroe Highway Wars maybe seventy five, but we're going through the mountains, and she swore it was a huge black cat. And I was like, well, they claim we don't have those around here, but they claim a lot of things. Mm hmm. They claim these things don't exist, that we know that they're out there. I can understand some people, especially the ones that they see something on all fours running, well, I could see where you wouldn't be able to tell that is. But something that walks on two legs, that's not normal. Anything that anything bipedal that isn't a human. There's no known animals to North America that I'm aware of that walk bipedally besides us. That's very true, and that's what gets a lot of people. It's how they walk and how they look, because nothing is supposed to look like. Humans, which is strange in itself of how everything else has evolved and we're one of the only things that's actually evolved to be bi pedal. That's what I will, That's what I say. I mean, could these things have you know, just don't want to be around us, and which the way things are going, I really don't want to be around people anymore. I'm willing to move to the woods myself right now. Maybe they had it right the first time. They just want to avoid us, and that's how it's gotten to be for a lot of us too, is we want to avoid everybody as well. I'm to the point, you know, the way things are going, I am willing to move into them woods, into a cave or something. Yeah. I definitely don't disagree with that one. So was that the only time you actually how many well before when was this? But how many years back? That was two thousand and eight, seven or eight? Okay, if it was two thousand and seven, that's kind of interesting because that's when I saw it. And there's a rumor that's been floated around on the internet that a lot of these creatures come out in years that end in seven. I don't know how true that is. I know I brought it up before. I know it's been on some other stuff too. But if you search around, there's been internet rumors of werewolves or whatever people call dog men or whatever. I think they're kind of one and the same. I think when people say they see a werewolf walking around, I think it's been a dog man. I don't think it's a person changing into a dog man. But what do I know? But yeah, I don't believe that myself. I don't believe somebody can morph into a boy, right, you know. But I've seen documents and I've seen websites or whatever they've talked about. There's been a lot of sightings in years it end seven and I don't know how that correlates to anything, but that's something that I've come across. Well, I've also heard that, and this come from a guy. He's from he's a doctor, he's from Kenyon, and he told me that the veil is starting to break more and more. That's their belief. And he said, you can think of some of these things as guardians. You can think of some of these things as evil. And he always said, I don't have the answer to that, and I've never really got into that the veil is breaking or any of that. I don't know what to think, to be one hundred percent honest, Like, there's so many different theories out there that sound plausible, but yeah, I'm not going to say one of them was wrong or right, because at this point I don't know, and a lot of them sound like it's possible. I've heard the veil is thinning. I've been hearing that for the last couple of years now. I don't know what I think. I think it was odd that the Pope was shaking when he opened that door and now he's in the hospital, right. I don't think it's funny he's in the hospital, you know, but he was shaking pretty bad when he opened that door. I never paid a whole lot of attention to that. But isn't he still in the hospital now? I think so. I'm not a Catholic or anything, but you know, he's I hope he gets better, you know. I don't wish nothing bad on anybody. I think the last I saw something that he was still in the hospital from something. I don't know why he was in the hospital, but it is very weird. The timing of that and all the things that were going on and all the strangeness, and then now he's in the hospital. Yeah, something something really ain't stirring the kool aid. No, not at all. Is there anything else that you've experienced you'd want to talk about. Well, I can tell you about the first and last time I ever went ghost hug. I mean, I'm down for it, let's hear it. We went to an old school in Gasden, Alabama, and I went with the crew and one of my friends, she was running the crew, and she was dragged let's say, down the hall, right in front of me, dragged down the hall, and nobody was there to drag hurts. So I picked her up, look her dead, and I say, screw this, I'm not doing this anymore. We went outside and that was the last time I ever went ghost done. I can't really falter for that one. Now. I have done stuff a long long time ago in Chickamauga with the Green Eyes, which is everybody says that CRYPTI it is not. It is very paranormal and does not want people there. It is not happy. I'm not sure what that is. If you want to let us know a little bit more. About that. Old Green Eyes of the Chickamaga Battlefield. They just recently had a green Ice fast which was awesome, and then the guys that did it will do interviews if you ever want to get in touch with them, just look up green Ice facet and they did an awesome job. But it's an entity that has been seen for many years and it was seen protecting the dead soldiers after the battle. That's what they said. I did do a little digging and there was something there before that, but it never went into it. But it is. It is a spirit and it does not like trespassers and other people might have had a different experience, but when we went there, everything was like the place where is that kept constantly getting slapped and it wasn't rocks or anything. It was getting slapped and and that's when I realized that I am not a paranormal expert. And I had the same girl that was with me, and she was like, she kept saying two green eyes. And that's when I realized that this was not cryptied. And that's the only reason I went because I was doing a cryptid research and it wasn't crypted. It was paranormal. It was spiritual. Sometimes I wonder if a lot of these things aren't intertwined one way or the other. I think sometimes these cryptids that we encounter, they might be in a physical form. I wonder if they don't have some sort of supernatural elements to them. Well, I have always heard that sasquatch do wind up in ghost areas, like they like to be in the ghost areas. I've got another one for you. I mentioned this on a couple of different episodes, but back last summer I interviewed it somebody who wrote a book, and it's about sasquatch being the forest Poultergeist. Because if you take all the experience that people have with bigfoot out in the woods, but you move it into a house, you'd say you had a haunted house, you had Poultergeist activity. So basically, so basically you move it back out into the woods and now you have bigfoot. So they said he's like the fork Horst poulter Geist. I was like, that actually makes a lot of sense. I can believe that. I really can't. I could go on that one. Yeah, that's that's the first time I'd ever heard it. And to be honest, I was like that makes a whole lot of sense to me. I mean, yeah, I can definitely go on that one. Definitely a theory that to me, it sounds very, very plausible. But yeah, well, Michael, is there anything else you would like to discuss? That's about it. That's all I got for tonight. Well, it's definitely been a pleasure talking with you. Thank you for coming out here and talking to me and sharing some of your experiences with the audience, the dog Man experiences. I enjoy hearing those because of my own personal experience, so dog man stuff has always been a close ones, so I honestly had no idea you're going you had that. So kind of glad that we got a chance to talk and I got to hear about that, because again, I'd love hearing about other people that dog man experiences because it makes me feel not so crazy for seeing something myself. Oh, I agree, And I know several other people's had some in calendars. I can get them in touch with. I definitely appreciate that if you do. If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tells, remember to send an email to tenfoil Telles Podcast at gmail dot com or go to Tinfoil Tales dot com and go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me around on all the social media's and just remember truth comes at a cost. 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