Ep. 229: Did I See A Dogman?

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I'm your host Brandon. Tonight we're going to be joined by my guest, Wade. Wade reached out to me here recently with an experience it was very reminiscent to what I had experienced back in two thousand and seven, and I was chit chatting back and forth with him, and I asked if you'd be interested in actually coming on the show and sharing that with us. So that's what's going to happen here tonight. But before we bring Wade on, it's like to say, if you had ever had an experience and you would like to be on an episode of ten foil Tales, make sure to get a hold of me. You can reach me at tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com, or you can go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. If you want to help the podcast out, you can share it. That's one of the best ways to do anything for helping the podcast is shared around. The word of mouth is what helps the podcast grow, and you can also leave a five star rating and review wherever you listen to Tenfoiltel's act. We're going to go ahead now and jump into the conversation with Wade. I like to welcome my guest tonight, Wade. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. Yeah. Absolutely. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself before we get into it. Yeah, well, I'm a pretty ordinary guy. You know. I don't really participate too much in encryptied culture, so I don't I don't have a I don't have my own podcast, I don't have a blog. I'm not an investigator or anything like that. But I'm originally from eastern Kentucky and I live in southern Ohio now quite a quite a big difference. And you know, I didn't really grow up in any sort of you know, bigfoot culture or anything like that. We didn't we didn't have anything like that growing up. So over the years, you know, I've I'm not really associated with it, a pretty pretty big skeptic man. I don't really I don't really believe in Bigfoot or a little green men or anything like that. And you know, I'm sure it'll be in the title, but you know, I certainly wouldn't have believed in something like dog Man, you know, a year ago, but you know, had a pretty interesting experience this year and we got connected through that. So I have been doing this show for over three years. I've saw something almost eighteen years ago, going on nineteen years, and I still am a skeptic in try not to believe it. So I completely understand because as much as it doesn't make any sort of sense, I still can't explain what happens to me, and it just kind of haunts you. That's that's precisely it dude. I mean I you know, I'd come across this thing, and you know, I spent several weeks and months really trying to tell myself like that, dude, you absolutely saw Bear and it's like, no, didn't know you didn't And it had to like kind of have this ego shattering moment at some point in really the last couple of months where it's like, uh, you know, you got to dip your toes into this new world and uh, you know, coming across other people's experiences and it's like, yeah, that's that's pre dagone close to what you saw. And now I'm kind of in this position where it's, you know, have having this deep conversation with myself like yeah, there might actually be uh, you know, more to what's going on in the world than you know, I've kind of told myself or or kind of led myself to believe. So it's been a it's been an interesting year really. You know, I had a the experience that I had, Uh, I guess it'd probably be good for the viewers how we got connected. Uh, you know, I was going through this process of trying to look up what it is I saw because I had no idea. Like I said, I don't participate in the in the culture, so this it's all new to me. And and in the process, I start coming across these dog Man sightings. And you know, a year ago, if you had have said the word dog Man to me, I would have been like, is that a superhero? Like what are we talking about here? You know, And you know, I start coming across podcasts. You know, once I got to the point where, you know, I was dipping my toes in this kind of supernatural stuff or just paranormal or whatever you want to call it cryptids. You know, once I got there, you know, I come across some podcasts and I start seeing the similarities and I'm like, Okay, yeah, this is pretty close to what I saw. This makes more sense than a bear, or at least, you know, maybe not makes more sense, but at least somebody else had something similar. And then I finally come across your episode of or the episode that you were on The Confessionals with Tony Merkle. I'd never heard of this podcast before I was driving to Tennessee. YouTube algorithm had kind of figured out that wades into Dogman right now, and it was just on auto play. And just playing random you know, videos and episodes. So but on my way home from Tennessee, I'm doing a little DJ gig down down in Knoxville, and your episode came on, and you know, I was almost home by the time it kicked on. I only had like fifteen minutes to go, and and in that first fifteen minutes, I'm like, holy crap, like this is really close to what I saw. And so got home basically took like a three hour nap. As soon as my feet hit the floor. The next morning, I'm like, I got to finish that episode. And as you kind of walk through that experience that you had all those years ago, I'm like, dag on it, like this is it. This is this is absolutely what I saw, and it's kind of even fired up even more, you know, just like digging into it and finding out new things. You know, I'm sure a lot of people that's you know, into the dog Man phenomenon is you know, they know way more than I do. But to me, it's all fresh and new and it's kind of exciting. But uh, yeah, it's it's it's definitely been a trip. You were in Knoxville, and that is actually where I went to record that episode because he lives just south of Knoxville. Dude, no way that it was just like maybe ten minutes south of Knoxville for that, uh, for his wedding that I did. That's that's yeah. The the studio is in Merrillville, which I think is just the side of Knoxville. Yeah, okay, I had no idea. I was like right in the right in dagone near the zip code. That's uh, that's pretty wild. Yeah, that was the first I'd ever heard of his show. I had no idea who he was or anything. And and uh wow, yeah, that's pretty interesting. The universe works some mysterious ways. Yeah, no, kid man, and I kind of feel like that's That's something else with this whole dog Man thing is is you know, I've got some friends, love them to death, and I'm not knocking Bigfoot at all. Don't don't get me wrong, or anybody believes in Bigfoot. I just never got into it. And uh, you know, I got a few people that I know that they're just diehard bigfoots. This real thing. And one of these days we're gonna, you know, you're gonna go to the Field Museum or the Smithsonian, and there'll be a you know, a replica Bigfoot, you know, or whatever there it'll finally be proven. And and I kind of feel like in all this research I've done with dog Man, it's it's it's not that, you know, it's it's almost like this strange, weird, you know, mystical thing or something, you know, And and I, for some reason I bite into that more than then, Uh, this you know, something that could be real or a living creature or something, you know. So that's that's pretty wild. Man. I had no idea. They have a very supernatural I'll call it a presence to themselves. I don't know if it's because I don't want to call paranormal, but it's it's different from what I'm expecting it to be. And most people have talked about dog Men, they always refer to certain aspects to them that don't seem to line up with normal characteristics of something within our universe, like within our reality. So they have like some sort of a different I don't know the correct term that it would be, but some sort of different thing other than just a biological walking canine. Yeah, that's and that's I think that's the thing that like drove me the hardest to want to keep looking this up and keep thinking about it, because I mean, you know this, I had a pretty recent account, which I guess I should probably just tell the story here in a little bit, but you know, it was it's fairly recent. It was earlier this year. Actually was on January first, or right at the start of this year. And you know, I feel like as far as most of what I saw, I probably could have lied to myself and rationalized it and said, yeah, you app lily saw a black bear or something, and which I totally didn't, but I probably could have told myself that until you know, the part where it moved, and when it moved and I got to see it move, that's when my brain was instantly like, this is not normal. This is not how things work in the real world. This is not how things move in the real world. So there's there's definitely and it's just that's what it boils down to. I think that's just the movement itself just derails my whole you know, rationalization of whatever it is that I saw, and and I got to put it in that supernatural category. Really, so so it was New Year's like I said, and I'm about forty miles east of Cincinnati's where I live at now, and that's where I, you know, saw this thing and sunny day, and you know, I live out in the country. It's I don't know what part of Indiana you're at. I know you said you're in Indiana on one of the episodes I listened to. But the northern part, what is it? The northern part, like north central Indiana. I'm about seventy miles north of Indianapolis. Okay, right on, So it's it's probably pretty similar than you know, a lot of cornfields, soybean fields flat. You know, you get patches of trees every now and then. The trees are all networked on tree lines and property lines and creeks and stuff. But for the most part, it's it's a lot of cornfields and uh. And it was, you know, like I said, middle of winter. It's in first to January, so all the trees are dead, you know, all the there's no brush, there's no undergrowth. You can pretty well see through all the all the trees. And I was driving to my storage unit and it's about five miles away and it's all back roads, you know, I don't have to get on the main road. I don't have to go through town. And where I live, man, it's it's big buck country, and you know there's always wildlife out and about. As a matter of fact, it was coming home one day the same exact field where I saw this thing. There was just an absolute unit of a buck walking around. And so, you know, my eyes are always peeled whenever I'm driving around. You never know what you're gonna see out here. But that whole drive to my storage unit, you know, there's nothing stuck out at me. Didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Go do my thing at storage unit. There are ten minutes or so run around. I come the same exact way back and on this back road, coming up to an intersection, and at this intersection, to my left there's about an acre of just you know, trees, just a little lot of flat woods, and turn left there. The trees are still to my left. And as soon as I pop out of that tree line, I glanced to my left, and you know, there's something there that just absolutely mentally stops me in my tracks. And I say mentally because I didn't stop my truck, and I really, really, it really bothers me that I did not slam on my brakes and just look at this thing. But you know, I just I don't think I fully registered what I was seeing. But so this thing was about thirty yards from the road and probably about ten to fifteen feet away from the tree line and things totally covered in fur. It's probably about five feet tall. You know, it's upright, but it's squatting like it's like it's taken a crap. And that's something that you said in your in that episode you were on and you know, I don't see any arms, but the furs dark, and it's I do remember a brown patch, like a big brown patch on its back, and it doesn't really look like it has a neck, but I can see ahead and it's got two pointy ears and they're not round ears. They're not huge years either, but you know, there's they kind of come to a point and just like a quick succession or succession. I I'm like, what kind of dog is that. That's not a dog, that's a freaking bear. And we have had black bear sightings here just just this year in southern Ohio, like even in the two seventy five loop of Cincinnati, there's been a black bear running around, so they're coming back into southern Ohio. But it definitely wasn't a bear. And and then my last thought is, it's like that's got to be somebody in a in like a fur coat, you know, in the middle of nowhere where there's no houses and no cars or anything. But I'm kind of doing this thing where I look at it for a few seconds and I glance back at the road. You know, I've got my foot off the gas, but I'm still coasting a little bit, and I don't want to drive into a ditch. So, you know, just doing this thing where I'm looking at it, looking at the road, looking back at it, looking at the road, and trying to figure this thing out. And each time I look back at it, like I said, it's got it back to the road. I never see its face and I never see arms. But as I look back at it, it has moved. In that quick glance back at the road and then back at it, it's moved closer to the tree line to its left. It still hasn't turned. I've not seen this thing move yet, but it's like it's moving side to side, you know, like shuffling to the left, which I think is something else you had mentioned in your experience that it was kind of like walking sideways, and you know, and there was at least two times there that can remember where it's moved closer to that tree line and basically right up against that tree line. But it's only moved when I've looked away, and you know, the last time I get a glimpse of it, I'm probably fifty sixty yards away from it. Now at this point, this is like where my mind just totally like, you know, what the heck, because I see this thing and it is now in the woods and like, you know, probably made it in five to ten yards in the woods, and just a split second, you know, and it's completely upright, Like I could see this whole silhouette in the woods and there's brush covering it. You know, there's limbs in front of it, but you know, everything's dead on the trees. Like I can see perfectly the silhouette still in the woods, and this is the only time I see it move. And it's this thing looks like it's freaking moving in fast forward mode. It's like and it's not just that it's moving fast, it's that the whole silhouette. You know, I still don't see arms or anything. It's not like it's maneuvering in the woods or trying to push stuff out of the way. You know, if you or I were walking in these woods, our arms would be flailing around, moving brush and everything else out of the way. But this whole silhouette's in the woods, and it's like it's trying to occupy two different spaces at the same time. It's like glitching back and forth. It's like jerky movements, like a stop motion from the eighties or something, you know, It's it's just bouncing back and forth while also like moving away from a from left to right of my view of it. And at that point, I'm like absolutely, like what the heck that? Like, hold up, what the heck is that thing? And I can't describe how fast the thing was just moving through the woods while also like somehow being in two different spots at the same time, within like a couple of feet of each other. I don't know how to describe that. And I don't know, you know, And that's why I go back to what I was saying earlier. Just there's just nothing that naturally moves that way. It's like it's almost kind of beyond you know, how physics works for me. I'm not gonna pretend like I know anything about that stuff, but but that just doesn't seem possible. You know, my brain could come what is it? When it walked off? Was it on just two legs? It was still upright, so like I couldn't necessarily see I feel like the best I can remember is more of like a waste up that I could like see in the tree. So at that point, like I couldn't see its legs. But you know, if if you or I were stand out there, I probably couldn't see our legs either. But uh, but it was no longer in that squatting position. It wasn't hunched over. I mean, it looked like it was very much so upright at that point. And uh, but it's just, yeah, dude, it was just, uh, it was I couldn't comprehend it, and uh and I kind of just knew that one lance last glance over and glanced back, and that last time that I glanced back just totally gone. And I can see that whole lot of woods in my view from one side to the other. And then I can see the horizon through the trees and it's totally gone. Now. I mean you it could have laid down, or if it was a person, a person could have laid down and still been out of my view and looked like they had disappeared. But uh, but just totally gone. And you know, I it's still add to the weirdness. A couple of things like instantly kind of entered my head a little bit. And the first thing was and then I say this. I remember walking out loud, like I'm having this like deep conversation with myself in my truck out loud, and uh, I'm like, I wasn't supposed to see that. You know, there was this weird thought that like I caught it. You know, I saw it and I wasn't supposed to see it, or it didn't expect me to see it, and it was trying to get away. I don't know, like just me saying that out loud doesn't make any sense. But I don't know why I thought that. You know, maybe I'm just you know, I'm a pretty big guy, and you know, I like to go hunt and I've jumped deer and I know what it feels like to spook something. So maybe you know, seeing this thing move out of the way and try to get away through the woods, I'm thinking like, oh, I spooked it, just like I've spooked a deer or something, you know. But but the second thing that that kind of comes to my head and I'm talking to myself out loud. It's like, I'm never gonna see that again. And I still feel certain like I will never see that again. And I don't know why I think that, but I'm pretty confident I'd like to see it again. I'd like to I'd like for my wife to see it. Uh. My wife's very much so into into crazy stuff and paranoral and and everything else. As a matter of fact, we've she goes to paint knights and we've got you know, her paintings hanging up in the living room. One of them's got moth Man on it. And uh, every every time we every time we go to West Virginia, uh we cross the bridge in Galipolias. We like to go to West Virginia for a weekend getaways. And she's always determined that one of these days we're gonna we're gonna see that sucker flying around. Uh. But uh, but I'm like shooting home at this point. I'm only like two minutes from home when I see this thing, and I'm I'm I know for a fact, if I tell my wife, she's gonna believe me. She's gonna be down for it. You know, She's not gonna question or blow it off or anything else. And as soon as I get home, I'm like, Okay, get in the freaking car, Get the kid, put him in the car. We're I saw something crazy, and you know, and I'm telling her like I saw this dog thing and it was upright, but it was like moving as if it was a video that had missing frames. And at this point, she's probably halfway in the car, like ready to go. And when we drive back, and it's only probably been five to ten minutes, you know, since since I was just there, but obviously we don't see anything. But it was good in the sense that, you know, I immediately got to talk about it and tell somebody about it. And because I feel like if I would have sat on that for a couple of days, I probably would have forgot some pieces or or my imagination might have added something. But I was able to, you know, tell it how it was as like an after action report, you know, and get that across. But yeah, man, it's it's it's been a struggle. Like I spent that whole week probably after that, just looking at every type of animal, trying to think of every type of fauna that's native around here or native to this part of the country and what it looks like and and nothing at it up. And like I said, I if I hadn't seen the weird, odd movement, I probably could have lied to myself and said that it was a bear. But yeah, the movements that's got me stuck in my tracks. And I was I'm glad that I kind of landed on dog man, you know, and and started seeing these other experiences that people had, and you know that's a common thing. Like as I started digging into it, you know, it was like this weird, erratic movement or just crazy speeds that it was in one spot and then another, and it's like, man, there's got to be something to this, you know. And I've definitely kind of cooled it on, you know, going being too skeptical now, like I've I've got to kind of understand that there's there's some things beyond explanation going on out there. I got a couple questions for you when it comes to the movement that I'm curious about. The one is is there something you can compare it to, like when you say it was glitching. Was it almost like jerky movements, almost like what a crackhead would be, like twitching or whatever. Or was it almost like just you mentioned like fast forwarding and like missing scenes, like if there's something like little frames or skipped out. So did it look like it was just blinking in then blank out and knows a different spot or was it like twitching around it? I mean, if it was a crackhead, man, that's gotta be some high speed chicken feed that it was, because it was absolutely like I said, I felt like he was trying to occupy two different spaces at the same time, Like it was trying to be at one spot, but it was also trying to be like three feet away at the same time. And it was like bouncing back and forth. And it wasn't that like one piece of its body was twitching or its head was twitching. It's like the whole silhouette of this thing was just erratically bouncing back and forth and but not like over a great distance, you know, it was, but it was still also moving. It was still covering distance, but in the process of covering distance, it was like bouncing back and forth, you know, a few feet from each other. And I'm just I don't, I don't in words, I don't know if I could, uh or if I'm describing it very well at all. But I'm sure I could find some or make some sort of animation. I understand what you're saying because it's very similar to what I had saw. And the other thing was like, did it look and I don't want say real, but did it look like it was biological or mechanical to you? Like? Did it look like it could have been something natural or unnatural? I don't know how to answer that. So that's a good question. So the moment that I saw it the first time, like that first second that I saw it, I mean, it had fur, you know it. It totally looked you know, and it's not like it was see through or anything like that. It was it was like absolutely something that looked like lives. It should be living and breathing. But with that being said, you know, because it was definition to it, Like I said, I could see fur, I could see color, you know, I could see this clear outline of it. And uh, I've even resorted to to chat GPT and you know, image generations and and trying to you know, taking a picture of that. I could stop and took a picture of the spot, you know, at some point, and you know, loaded that into chat GPT and tried to get it to recreate. Of course they couldn't do it, you know, and I'm like, no, that's not what it looked like, chat GPT, you need to fix this. But but anyways, that first second, though, it absolutely looked like it should have been a biological creature. But when it was in the woods and that glitching motion was happening, it was just a silhouette. And it was still a solid silhouette, but it didn't quite look like it had the same definition. And like I said, I was probably only sixty yards at that point, so I'm not even you know, I should still be close enough to make out some details or something, and at that point there really wasn't any details. It was just that similar shape, a little bit taller, but just erratically moving, so in a way kind of maybe a little bit of both. And you never saw arms or anything on it. I never saw arms. There was no point where I'm not saying it didn't have arms, but you know, from my vantage point, I never saw arms off to the side or anything. And but I will say this, so when it was when it was in that squatting position when I first saw it, it kind of had like this triangular shaped porso, so it had shoulders. You know, I could see like it had shoulders as if it just got to pump on at the gym, like these were pretty wide shoulders, but a really narrow waist and a really long body, you know, if it was five foot tall four foot of that had to bend the body. And uh, excuse me, and uh, but I never saw arms. And this is that's also kind of live. You know, recognized that I would be lying to myself if I thought it was a bear, because for one, bears have you know, black bear have round ears, this head pointed ears, gripping the through tucky. You've seen plenty of black bear, you know, spent a lot of time in East tennessee their bear everywhere down there. But when a black bear stands up and it's upright, you know it's actually got really good posture. Like those things will stand straight up and their head will be perked up and you'll see those round ears, but they don't really have shoulders at least not like you know, like a human wood whatever this thing was, you know, they were actually really slender with their arms dangling down, and this just didn't have that. It had shoulders, like you could see that round shape to it, and then that came down to a really narrow torso, but you know, I didn't see arms, But I also didn't necessarily see legs either. I mean, I could tell that it had legs touching the ground, but just because it had its back to the road, and then that's you know, it never moved. It never turned at any angle or anything when it was outside of the tree line. It stayed in that position. And so I never really could make out, you know, what its legs look like, or what its knees might have looked like, or or if it had the same kind of leg shape as a dog. I don't know what that's called. How it kind of you know, comes down below the knee and comes back up. But I know there's a name for it, but I don't know what it is. But yeah, it was it was hard to make out some of those, you know, muscular descriptions, but yeah, no arms, like I said, no face, no eyes. You know, I didn't get to see any of that stuff. Kind of let down. Everybody else gets to see that kind of stuff, and I feel like I might have been denied a full dog man experience. Which is also another point too. You know, I've I've listened to so many of these stories in just the last month, two months, whatever it's been, and a lot of people seem to have like this thing is almost aggressive in their story, and I didn't get that. You know. Like I said, I kind of had this feeling like I spooked it, like it was trying to get away from me. But you know, that might just be my own imagination or whatever, but it certainly didn't try to show itself to me. I mean the moment that I saw it. From that point on, every movement that it made was getting further away from me. So yeah, that's that Part's kind of unfortunate, but it is what it is. The One thing that I always go back to is when people talk about how these things are pure evil and how they just want to kill you and all this other things. I was like, I'm literally fifteen feet face to face with this thing, and all I wanted to do was get away from me. So it had actually wanted to get me, it easily could have. Sure, Yeah, and I did notice that in your story, And yeah, I just I just didn't get a sense that this thing was was gonna do any harm. But at the same time, I also didn't know what the heck I was looking at. You know, I might have had a different opinion about it if I was facing it fifteen feet away, but I might have shot it. I don't know. So I've got an episode coming out here in a couple of weeks that a lady so, e anyone listening, go back and listen to this one. But a lady was out walking her dog and there was one in the field across from her, and it could have done the same thing, Like, if it wanted to get her and the dog, it easily could have, but it chose not to. So I don't necessarily think they're all particularly wanting to kill people, but I do believe that maybe some if you're in their area and you screw around with it, maybe it will just like there's bad humans in the world too, you know what I mean so exactly. Yeah, yeah, I was. You know, I've not told anybody the story. I was actually kind of reluctant to even yeah, get on here and do an episode. You know. I told my wife, and I told my brother or sister, and that's it. I've not wanted to tell anybody else, which is also something I think that can be said about some of these dog Man experiences there that there does seem to be a pretty large reluctancy for people to really want to talk about it. And you know, like I'm a storyteller, Like everybody at work knows that. I'm always you know, I've got some story for something, and and you know, I've had ghost things happen to me, which I had to be convinced a ghost too. I used to not believe in ghosts until I lived in my first house and weird stuff started happening. But you know, I could care less of some many thinks I'm crazy because you know, I saw ghosts or something. But like for this thing, man, I haven't really wanted to talk about it a whole lot. And uh, and I find that kind of odd too. You know, I don't know if that's just the nature of things, and maybe everybody that sees something weird doesn't want to talk about it. But I have kind of noticed that trend, just just researching other stories. But but you know, I've I've always done stuff in the woods and my whole life, I've always hunted, always fished. It's nothing for me to go tie some five point fifty cord to a tree and throw a tarp over it and sleep on the ground for two days. You know, I love doing survival stuff, So I spent a lot of time in the woods. There's never been anything in the woods I've ever can ever been concerned about except cocker copperheads and crackheads, and and because I think that's legitimate, I'm very concerned about coming across some weirdo in the woods, and so I think that does add some credibility to that. Yeah, there there definitely could be some some dog man out there that you don't know what they're up to, and maybe they maybe they are a little bit more nefarious or more than others. But but yeah, I just didn't get that impression, and I guess I'm glad I didn't because I've I've definitely you know, I've that same night that I started listening to your your episode on The Confessionals was also the first time I had heard the Land Between the Lake story. And I can't remember that guy's name, the Turkey Hunter. He was like a former deputy or something, Martin Grove and really good story. I mean, I don't I was kind of thinking, like, man, do I really believe this because this is pretty heavy, Like this is some like this thing sounds like it was like actively hunting people, and you know, I just I don't know if I got that impression, you know, when I saw what I saw. But but nonetheless I was like I couldn't turn it off either. I was like, man, this is like I'm like imagining myself, you know, as many times as I've been out in the woods by myself, not even have somebody else with me, but uh, you know, be staying overnight or camping or something, and uh, it's like, man, what would I do? Like I've never really considered that if there's something like that, you know, actually out there. Uh uh. But it's not changed my opinion at all. I'm still gonna go out in the woods and do my thing. It hasn't kept me away yet, But I don't know. Do you think by having this encounter and it's kind of put you on this path of looking into the stuff? Now, do you think this is something that happens to people, Because that's why I do my podcast. Obviously, I wouldn't be talking to you right now had it not been for what happened, you wouldn't be talking to me had you not seen the same thing. For people like us who have these experiences, does it put us on a path to question more than what we normally ever would have? I mean, I know I already have. I mean, like I said, I'm so hard nos and skeptical about things, and I'm not a jerk about it. You know. I'll absolutely listen to anybody's story. And I have sat through and listened to plenty that I didn't agree with. And now I'm, like I said, I've really changed my opinion on quite a bit. Maybe not so much on an eight foot tall gorilla. I'd like to see it. I'd love to see bigfoot. I hope I do one day. But but yeah, I mean, this this whole process, you know, has you know, had me looking into things that I thought I never would like I said, if I would have heard about dog Man a year ago, I'd have been like, are we serious? Like are we just making up stuff now? Or you? And and and now I'm kind of realizing too, because, like I said, this crypted stuff has never really been and I don't even know if that's what dog Man is. You know, I'm so new to this. I'm probably butchering all the terminology. But it's never been an interest of mine. But you know, something that has been an interest of mine my whole life is local history. I love local history and you know, probably you too, just kind of guessing where you might be in Indiana. You know, we have rich, rich history that spans thousands of years and kind of on a sidetrack note here, As I'm going to this, I realized I was getting invested into dog Man when I was reading somebody's story on Reddit and they were kind of in the same boat I'm in, like did I see a dog man? This is what I saw? And there was parts to what they were saying where I'm like, wow, that's close to what I saw. That might be it. And there was somebody that responded, of course this has read it. You know, a place known where everybody loves everybody and everybody always values everybody's opinion. You know, sarcasm h there. But but somebody commented, They're like, yeah, dog Man was invented in nineteen eighty four or whatever in Michigan by some radio DJ. I had no idea what they were talking about. I had to go look that up to but they were like, yeah, you know, nobody ever saw dog Man until the eighties until this guy wrote this, you know, satirical Halloween song. And I'm like, hold up, you know, like that's I don't know if that's necessarily true. Like I don't know anything about dog Man, but I know history, and you know, all around the world there is you know, folklore and this this imagery of this man wolf hybrid stuff, and that could be in Scandinavia. Uh, and that could be right here in you know, the Ohio Valley. And they have local go ahead. They had wels in Europe. Yeah, exactly. And it's like this, this stuff's been around for thousands of years, Like you know, maybe maybe this dog Man terminology or this name or something, you know, this might be new, you know, this might be something that's been around for a couple of decades, but this idea, uh that there's something like this that's as old as you know, stories themselves, and uh there was written language. But but right here in this region where we live, you know, we we have like the mound builders. And you know this this might be getting into like conspiratorial stuff, but we have mound builders here. You know, there's a there's a mound probably four hour or four miles from my house here, and there's only so few of them left. I mean, we absolutely destroyed most of the mounds in the eighteen hundreds just through agriculture or just digging them up and seeing what was in them, you know, before modern archaeology came around. But there was a mound in northern Kentucky, just south of Cincinnati that was excavated in the fifties by an actual you know, archaeological group, and it always fascinated me, like, you know, way before I ever heard of this dog man stuff or anything. But I was always intrigued by this one particular mound because the mounds, for people who don't know, that's you know, this is Native American cultures that are older than the Shawnee, either older than the Miami. They're older than these named tribes and cultures that we know of when when you know, white settlers and European settlers first started coming into this area, and you know, these these go back thousands of years, and you know they were community base. They would they built cities. I mean, Kahokia was huge. You know, twenty thirty thousand people lived there thousands of years ago. But they were all over the place. They built these mounds, and then the burial mounds was kind of your important people in these little, small, small communities. So these were your chiefs or whatever you want to call them, because we don't we have no idea what they call themselves. We have no idea what their culture was. But there was one particular one, like I said, just south of Cincinnati they excavated the fifties, and this guy was adorned with just wolf stuff. You had a wolf pelt, wolf teeth, and he they had actually removed his teeth from his gold back then, not not in the nineteen fifties, but back when he was buried. I don't know if he was if they could figure out if he was alive when it happened, or if it was after his death his teeth were removed in a way so that a wolf jaw could be implanted into his face, and that's how he was buried. And so, you know, you you look back, even all those years ago, there was still this this motif, this theme of this canine humid hybrid, whatever it was, whatever their religion was, whatever reason they had to do that. Human beings have you know, associated this this theme for whatever reason for a long time. So you know, are they doing it because they saw dog men? I have no idea. I'm not insinuating that, you know, but you know, or maybe what I saw was you know, some sort of ghost of that. I have no idea. I I'm definitely the last person to to make a statement on that, but but I do think that, you know, to chalk it up and say that this whole phenomenon was invented in the nineteen eighties and that it didn't exist before then, it's like, ah. That's a really lazy cop out. You really got to dig in, and you don't even have to dig in that deep. I mean, just this is part of human culture and history for a long long time, and since I've had this experience, I really think that there's more to it than just storytelling or you know, just for whatever religious purposes, and there had to be something more to it, at least that's my opinion. And maybe that kind of goes back to what you're saying about. You have these experiences and the path that leads you on, and you know, I'm not sure, but someone. Definitely someone told me that the reason I saw what I did was because I was supposed to see it, because I'm supposed to be doing what I'm doing now. It was supposed to put me on the path of what I'm doing. They claim that these things can make themselves visible and invisible, and if we happened to see one, it's because it wanted us to see it. Now, do I have a lot of stock in that. I don't know. That's just something that some random person had told. Me, but. Maybe it makes sense. And well, you mentioned like the burial mounts. We have a lot of those around here too. And this whole area that I'm from is Miami County, so obviously it's named after the Miami Indian that used to be here and the whole tribes. And I've been doing a lot of research in this area and there is a lot of random encounters that have happened around here. So I've actually been looking into it further. And the name of to come See, which was one of the chieftains around here. They I was just while you were talking. I was looking here to make sure I don't screw this up. But there was someone also had the middle name to come See, and his last name was Wolf, and they were from Ohio, and there was a story that they used to call one of their chieftains around here the White Wolf. And there was a story about the white Wolf of the Walbash And people have reported seeing like this white wolf creature up around Fort Wayne and like stalking around the Walbash River area. And this is where this guy, the old chieftain used to be originally from. So there's like always some sort of weird connection between the old Native American legends and stories with wolf, and it all seems to tie in with the river systems. It's interesting that you say that, especially that it ties in with the river systems. Of course, I'm venturing back into this local history in general, but you know, you look at the Adena and Hope Well and which byway, for you listeners, like we we have these are names that we've like attached to these groups, you know, in recent modern history, just because we have no idea what these particular cultures called themselves. But man, like the river systems were absolutely critical, especially you know the Ohio and it's its main tributaries, including the Wabash. You know, like Serpent Mounds probably fifteen miles twenty miles away from me. It's right next to Brush Creek which empties into the Ohio River. Everything's like really close to these rivers and your your your major mounds systems and and these earthworks. We're all like right next to these rivers. And they would basically put them as close as they possibly could. Like you know, I don't have any of the major creeks or anything near me, but the moment you go, you know, five miles east or five miles west and you hit you know, little Miami or there's that Miami again, everything is Miami around here. But yeah, as soon as you get close to these rivers and these river bottoms, and you know, it just explodes with with of course, you know, water's vital, we got to have it. But there was something really special, you know, to these particular cultures about the river systems. But the White wolf thing. I've not heard about that one. I've gotta got to dig into that a little bit. That's a that's a new one on me. So I'm gonna have to sink my sink my teeth into it later when we get off here. I've been trying to find stuff about it, and I haven't been able to come up with a whole lot of information. But it's weird because where I go to work now, because my office is in a town called Brooxton for this current job assignment, but I drive right past to come see Camp or camp to come see which is a name that keeps popping up in the old Miami lore from the War of eighteen twelve, because he was around here, everyone together to try and work with either the army or they're going to make a group of all the Native Americans together to fight the army, and at least for up here, the Battle of eighteen twelve, the Battle of the Cinema, the army came through and they wiped out all of the Indians for the for better or worse. Obviously worse for them, but like that's how history played out for my area. Is they the ones that didn't get killed got shipped off on the Trail of Tears out west to Oklahoma. But if you think about it in that aspect, someone else had told me, and I've actually interviewed, or I didn't interview. We kind of did, kind of didn't. We were actually out it's one of their sacred sides, and he was talking about how maybe some of the spirits that they've called up to have taken the form of these creatures and because the actual ones that some of them are no longer around, these things just for left wandering because they have nothing else to do, because the people that some of them cannot make them leave because they're no longer around. I was like, well, I've never thought of that before, but who knows. But that's like, because that's looking at them as they're not a physical being but more of a supernatural protector type of thing, which is what I've heard from other people that you always find them around burial sites because they're a protector of the underworld. Interesting, so in addition to burial mounts, which you know in the immediate area around here there, I don't think there ever was any like in my like three or four mile radius, but but there is a archaeological map. It was made in the right the turn of the twentieth century, and there is there was like a confirmed stone burial site for Native Americans. I don't know how old it was or or what culture it might have been attributed to, but uh, but it was found probably about a quarter of a mile away from where I saw where I saw the same I mean, so it just immediately close. Now you know, I'm not I'm not trying to that's that's all conjecture and if it's related or not, but just hearing you talk about it, you know, I do which there's there's probably some that have never been recorded, they've not been found. But as far as like burial sites, I mean, there was like two or three weeks ago there was a four thousand year old skull that was found in Indiana that had kind of washed out of a creek. So you know, there's there's still plenty of archao archaeological digs to be done and things to be discovered. But h but as far as a confirmed burial site, there was a there was a grave found, like a stone grave, like I said, just right off that same road, gotta be less than a half mile from I'll have to look. I'll have to check that out and see how close that is. But it's pre damn close. Yeah, there's not even too far down the road for me. There's an old concrete block. And I don't know if it's true or not, but we've always were told as kids that my mom was originally from this area too, and she was always told that one of the chieftains was buried there, which that's just a story, you know. There's no markers or nothing, but there's just one random right on the edge of the road, big like rectangular concrete block. It doesn't serve a purpose that I'm aware of, but this seems like a random spot for putting that there. So maybe there was some truth to it, But why was it never marked? Yeah? I have to find some old timers around there or something and pick their brain a little bit. Of course, it's aways got to take what they say with a grain salt too, but but usually usually you can find out something, you know, if you poke around long enough. But I've asked people around here if they've seen things or heard things, and I usually get strange looks when I ask. I've I've thought about posting in like the local Facebook groups as like, you know now that you can do it and honestly and not put your name on it. But I have really wanted to, like ask, like, has anybody else seen anything weird? And if you did, what did you see? What did it look like? I'm not going to tell you what I saw. I want to know what you saw. I've done the same thing and it got a lot of laugh reacts from the. Typical I kind of assume or you're going to get. Just people just absolutely probably shouldn't even be on Facebook telling stories and you really really can't trust anything that they say. I definitely have these two's on Facebook. I know a few that I probably wouldn't trust anything they say as far as I could throw them. But but it's definitely crossed my mind a couple of times, like truly, to goodness, there's been somebody else around here that's that's seen something like this. But I tell you, man, just to go back to something we were talking about five ten minutes ago that I think strange. You know, you were talking about that you know, maybe you were supposed to see it, and you know, I hadn't really thought about that at all. But as far as you know myself goes my experience. But I do think it's strange that one of the first things I thought, after, like immediately after that thing was gone out of the woods and I couldn't see it anymore, was that I wasn't supposed to see it. And and like I said, I have no idea why I thought that. You know, I'm not insinuating this thing telepathically told me I wasn't supposed to see it, and that I wasn't I wasn't ever going to see it again. But but I do think that's I've not seen that in other stories. I think that's pretty interesting, and uh, you know, maybe I wasn't really supposed to see it, and that wasn't just uh, you know, my my imagination trying to make sense of what I just saw. But but I'm glad I did. I'm glad I did see it. I mean, it's it's been a it's been a fun trip, you know, just learning more about it and seeing the connections that people have over it and uh, and what they've discovered. I mean, it's it's it's only added more questions than answers. You know, you might solve one thing and now you've got five more questions to dig through and try to understand. But yeah, i'd like to think now now that we're having this conversation, that I was supposed to see it. But everyone says things happen because it's supposed to happen the way that they are. So you can look at. It from I'm a big believer in that. If you look at it as a religious type of a thing, which I try not to put religion on anything, but if you look at it that way, and if you look at it just from a karma stance or what any type of just life aspect to it, if things are meant to happen, they happen. So you saw something that you can't explain. I think a lot of people actually experience things, and a lot of the time we write them off is stuff that we don't consider it paranormal or strange or anything. It's just like they happen all the time. We just don't think about it, like our mind doesn't recognize it as anything bizarre. Might oh that was kind of weird, and we just write it off. But how many times of stuff like that happened? And that's we're supposed to actually pay attention to it, and we just choose not to the fact that you showed this thing attention and paid attention to it. You felt like you weren't supposed to see it. Maybe you weren't supposed to see it. But at the same time, now that you have seen it, you were supposed to see it, because now you're doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing. Yeah, you know, and I've I've thought about this exact thing and something, you know, Like I said, I've I've always been out and about I've always you know, I'm always paying attention. I'm always looking around, especially when I'm out, you know, in the woods, and I really, you know, maybe there's been stuff that's happened like this to me and I've not paid attention to it, or I've you know, passed it off as something else. That's totally possible. I mean, nothing immediately comes to mind. But with that being said, I actually had a good buddy of mine. He passed away today actually unfortunately, but I I used to live in the southern part of this county, right on the Ohio River, and I met this guy. He had a beautiful piece of property on the river. I used to do sign work. And I met him doing some sign work for Reform in his property many years ago. And you know, he he was never like an outdoorsy guy or anything. Uh but uh but he you know, he had like twenty acres or so, him and his wife. And one day, and I've thought about this a whole lot, but one day he came to my shop and he was just like, man, the damn this old thing happened, you know, and like, what's that, Jack? And it's like I saw wolverine like what you know, like the like the animal or the like comic book character. And he's just like, no, it was. It was I've never seen a thing like it. It was huge, you know. And uh he's like, I called, I got good, buddy. It's o dn R, you know, Department Natural Resources, and and I described it to him and he was like, well, it was either a it was either a bear or a wolverine. And I'm like, dude, we don't have those around here. Like that's like an Upper Peninsula thing or something, you know, like in Canada or whatever. And uh. But he was like so certain that he saw this like big hairy thing on his property. And you know I've I've kicked it around in the past couple of weeks, Uh, like man to Jackson something like this, like you know, he just didn't know what it was and just his happy, go lucky demeanor just totally wrote it off. Or maybe he, you know, saw the actual wolverine that you know, traversed six hundred miles from Michigan to to southern Ohio. But yeah, I don't know, you know, maybe he maybe he just you know, saw something weird. But at the same time, I've really kicked it around, like, man, did he see this thing? And like he just not know what it was, he didn't think much of it or whatever, you know. But yeah, looking back, I don't know if I've ever quite had something like this, but I will say from from here on out, man, And you know, I've I've been out in the woods several times this year since that's happened, and camped out, like I said, doing survival stuff with my buddies, and and uh, I've never been freaked out. Like I'm still not scared. It hasn't stopped me from doing what I love. But a bunch of us were camped out northern Kentucky about two months ago and h and man, I was just just constantly peeling out, like just looking around, always constantly paying attention, like not even listening to conversations, like like am I gonna see it? You know, probably not? Probably not, so I've I mean, the radar dish is open now. I'm totally totally waiting for that that next moment. But uh, part of me still feels pretty confident that I'm not gonna see it again. I really hope I do. And I'm really upset my wife didn't see it. I really wish if anybody could have seen it. I wish she could have been with me to because she would have loved it. You know, that's that's right up her. Ally, she listens to weird stories right before she goes to bed, you know, like like all the same normal people do listen to scary camping stories in the middle of the night. But uh, yeah, I wish she would have got a glimpse of it. But I feel like it's the people that aren't expecting to see it or out looking for it are the ones that have those experiences. And once you actually have the experience and you go out and look for it again, and they're always trying to look for it, you usually never see it again. Yeah, and you could apply that to a lot of things. Yeah, hunting, fishing, whatever, it's that's that's how it goes. But there's definitely some truth to that. I mean, like I said, you know, it was there was nothing about that drive that would it made me think like, oh, I really need to be paying attention or and like I said, it just caught me off guard so much that I didn't even stop my truck. Like dude, if there'd have been a ten point buck standing right there, I would have smashed my teeth on the steering wheel, hitting my brakes to look at it. But you know, the whole thing just caught me off guard so much, like I like, my brain didn't even think to stop and just soak it in and like watch this thing, which really upsets me. I can't stress that enough. If I have one thing I could go back and do different, it would be stop my truck or right at the moment I saw it and just soak it in and see what this thing is is or see what it does. But uh, but that's not the way it went. Uh. But nonetheless, I mean, it's it's still like I said, it's faster. You know, that's been almost a year ago, and to this day, there's still once a week where I'm like, Okay, I got to look this thing up again. You know, I gotta go back. I gotta, I guess see if there's something I missed, or you know, maybe there's a new new siding that I didn't see before or something. And and so I still still stay pretty active with it. I've I've definitely learned quite a bit. Have you been to the area and actually looked around on the ground to see if there was like any sort of tracks or anything out there now. Now that you mentioned it, which it's pretty strange that I haven't thought about it. Maybe I guess it's because it's you know, private property, and I really don't want to go trespassing, but I don't know who would own it. I guess I could probably g I sid a little late for that now, but but now that didn't cross my mind. But I will say, like I specifically drive out that way like for if, like even if I'm going to town, like there's days where I will take that way and drive five extra miles out of the way just uh, I mean, I went past it tonight. You know, it didn't didn't really necessarily need to, but uh uh for some reason though, it's it's drawn me back every time to go through that area. And you know, maybe that particular area has nothing to do with it, you know, and and it's it's just appeared wherever. But but I definitely find myself specifically taking that road a lot more than I did whenever we first moved out here. Uh several times a week, uh some weeks, just just on the off chance that there might be something strange out there again and this time I'll be ready. But uh, like I said, I still part of me really feels like that was that was a one and done deal. But I hope not. The area that this happened. And if you looked on like cheap like the Google Earth or anything to see like the direction it was heading, like what it could have been going towards or is it just still woods? I mean I know the whole area, and uh, you know, like I said, that that particular group of trees, it's only like an acre where those trees are. And you know, to the south about a half mile is a major highway. It's a four lane highway. With a grass media and it's not an interstate, but it's built like one highway thirty two. And you know, so if it would have went straight south and ran across the field, it would have got hit by a tractor trailer, especially the way people drive out there. But you know, it's just all open field all the way around it, and then you know a few houses down the road. But but no, like I said, once, once it got into the trees, and like I said, it just totally vanished, like you know, that whole group of trees from where I was looking the last moment that I saw it, I could see the left side, I can see the right side. I could see that whole group of trees in my in my field of view, and it was totally gone. So if it would have got out and continued to move, I would have seen it somewhere. And if it would have kept going south away from me, I probably still would have seen it through the trees, just because you know, it's not too dense in there. But yeah, I don't have a good recollection on if it was really trying to go any specific direction or anything. Like I said, I feel pretty confident that it was just trying to get away from me. I don't know why that is either, but I feel like I'm a pretty nice guy. I don't think I would have you know, I don't think I would have shot it. You know, I guess if it had approached me in some of the ways some of these other stories have went for people and their experiences, maybe, but I thought about that too, like you know, you know, I'm a big believer in the second then it and you know I carry every single day, and maybe there was this part of it that was just like, nope, that guy's dangerously ah. But I haven't put too much too much thought in that, but that has crossed my mind a couple of times, like, you know, maybe it picked up that I'm not necessarily the guy you want to mess with, but that might just be me thinking I'm a hot shot or something. We've been going on for a little over an hour, so we can probably get ready to wrap this up before we do. I was going to ask because you saw this thing and you didn't see arms, You couldn't really see a face or anything besides like the silhouette and the plenty of ears for people that are listening that because obviously there's gonna be someone out there like, oh, you saw a bear, because that's what people do, that's how they write things off. What makes you believe that what it could have been a dog? Man? Like, how did you come to the determination that it was canine? Just because of that? Was? Yeah, that was that was my first thought, you know, like I said, those in which you know, I probably took like ten minutes to tell the story of the whole thing, and the whole thing happened in like thirty seconds max. You know, from time I saw it to the time it was gone thirty seconds, and those first couple of seconds, like I said, my thought process was immediately like, that's a dog. No, that's not a dog, that's a bear. That's not a bear, that's a person And definitely wasn't a person. But the way that it was squatted, the way that it was squatted looked like a dog. I mean, that's the point of years. You know, I've had several dogs. I've had several big dogs. I used to have a huge German Shepherd named Lanny. Best dog I ever had. And you know that's if she was three times the size and you know, and covered in blackfur. That's what it probably would have looked like, and that this thing was just massive and and but yeah, my very first thought was what that kind of dog is? That it's not a dog, It's it's some kind of starving bear or something. No, it's not a bear. Uh So I really I think that's That's the main thing that led me to the dog man stuff was just that squatting pose and feeling pretty confident that there was like a direct canine correlation to it, you know. And and like I said, I'd never heard of this dog man thing before. So when I started looking it up, and I kind of told myself, like, man, it's it's not any of those things. It's definitely not a bear, you know. That's that's when I finally started venturing into some of these forums and these Reddit posts where people were talking about what they saw, and I finally when I got into the dog man thing, it's it's like, Okay, I see the similarities. Like this person's saying it had this weird freaking movement. I saw that people are saying I had this weird like you know, thought process after it, like I had that, and uh and especially just like a supernatural element to it, like I just a lot of people say that, like it's just they saw something supernatural, not a biological thing, and like I really resonate with that, and I see why people say that whenever they've had an experience like that. So yeah, yeah, that that that initial glance. That first glance was that's some sort of weird mutant, you know, canine. But outside of that, I didn't have much to go on. So if it hadn't been for that squatting pose, you know, I might have not have landed on dog man, or at least not as as quickly as I did. But uh, but that was that was the main indicator for me. The term dog man. I I particularly don't like it because I always say, upright walking canine. But then people are like, well't just say dog man. I'm like, well, I guess, but yeah, I'd still think I call them were wolves in it. I know some people are pureists and they get mad about that because like, no were wolf changes the full moon this and that. I was like, well, sure, maybe the Hollywood stories and the old stories we have, but what's to say that these things aren't always in that sort of form, and we just accuse people of morphine into those because back in the old days, we had no other way of knowing why a dog or a canine was just walking like a person, so our brain interpret it as well, someone must have turned into this thing. Yep. But because there's been all these stories over the years from people seeing were wolves, not just here, but like the Native Americans had the wolf people type stories, and Europe had were wolves and all over the world there's always been some sort of upright walking canine story, there has to be some similarities to it all that have some sort of viable like connection and what that is I have no idea, but that's that's just how my brain works. Like I feel like there's something out there that makes all the stuff connect together. And for me, I want to find out why. You know, I want to know what the hell I saw. I want to know what the hell you saw, because I think we saw the same thing. Well, I agree one hundred percent. And I mean, and just to add on to the human civilization thing, I mean, there's freaking you know, Egyptian you know, monuments and pyramids with higher glyphs and gods of dog men. You know, I can't remember which which Egyptian God, it was that was like half dog or there might have been too of them, maybe a Nubis or something to look I can't remember off the top of my head, but but like, yeah, this thing is prevalent. And uh, but going back to what you you said earlier too, like I don't I don't like the word dog man. And there was like this conversation I had to have with myself like Okay, that's what you're calling it. You know you don't like it, but that's that's what other people are calling it, and that's what they see. That's what you saw, so you know, that's what it is. Just because the name was invented for that thing, like the song that the guy made up, that's where the term dog man did originate fro him supposedly was that song back in the eighties, But people were reporting seeing the same things prior before all the dog man name. So again we just called them something else. It doesn't mean that just because now they're called dog men because of a song doesn't mean what people were seeing hundreds of years ago is not the same thing that we now call dog man. Yeah, I'm I might I might join you in the in the upright walking Canaine Department there that that might be my new go to course. Like I said, I've I don't necessarily talk to anybody about it. You know, you're you're You're now like the third or I guess fourth person that I've ever talked to about it. Now everybody's gonna hear it. But yeah, so I think the future car conversation, I might. I might stick with that myself. That's pretty good. I like that. Well, Wade. I am honored to have you on here because I know talking about this stuff is not easy for people, because trust me, I didn't talk about what happened to me for years either, and when I did, the amount of people that would look at you like you're crazy is kind of one of the reason why you don't talk about it. But I'm glad that well. The good news most of my friends and people I know already know I'm the crazy ones. So I mean, really as as a change bunch, probably probably not, Yeah, man, no, it was. It was definitely glad to be here, enjoyed the conversation. We're still going to try to get down to you know, Crypticon, so hopefully I can run into you there in Lexington at the end. Of the month. But uh yeah, man, I certainly appreciate you putting this together and putting all these stories together. Really man, I mean I've uh after after I watched that episode or listened to that episode. I was driving so listen to doing too much watching whenever it first came on. But yeah, I kind of did the deep dive and started listening to quite a bit of your shows. So certainly appreciate what you do too, man, And it's been fun. I appreciate that. Well, we're gonna wrap this one up, so again, thanks for Wade for coming on here and sharing that with us tonight, and thanks for listening. But we will check you on the next one. 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