Ep. 73: A Lifetime of Paranormal Activity

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Night. We're gonna be joined by my guest Jesse. Jesse's had some interested in experiences that she wants to come on here and talk about. Thanks paranormal to UFOs, the cryptis, and the Bridgewater Triangle, all sorts of topics we're going to get into. 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Like take the time tonight to welcome my guest Jesse to the show. Thanks for come on or target with me. Well, thank you so much for having me. I truly appreciate it. Pleasure's mind. So a little bit about yourself. Well, my name's Jesse. I have been having paranormal experiences since I was a kid. I'm in a metal band called Extraction Point. I'm also on a podcast called Late Night Legends, so I'm starting to actually dip my toe into the paranormal community in a way, wasn't really open to it. I didn't really tell too many people about my beliefs and my experiences unless they were close. And then the past couple of years, I've kind of been opening up about it more often and had a couple of interviews, and then I've been going to like conventions and stuff too, like paranormal conventions, So meeting a lot of people there, hearing how multiple people have had the same things happen, it's kind of open the door a little bit, if you want to say that, for me to start sharing things that I've been through, And yeah, I can understand. That's kind of how I've been with this podcast. Like I had my own beliefs, but listening to everyone else's encounters and experiences kind of makes you a little more open to things because always try and look at it skeptically and a lot of things you just can't explain. Yeah, exactly, Well, what were some of the experiences you had that you want to talk about? Well, I guess I might as well start way back when I was young. I grew up on an Indian burial ground, which we didn't know that when my mom got the house found that out by researching when I was in high school, wondering why the land seemed really weird and why I would see stuff and hear stuff. So we found out that the house and the golf course that was across the street was pretty much an Indian burial ground. It was in Grant Park, Illinois, tiny, tiny little town. My graduating class was twenty four people, and the golf course across the street was named Minni Monesse, which was actually the chief Chief's daughter was Mini Monesque. That was her name, so that's what they named it after. Unfortunately, I did block a lot of my childhood out, but things have been kind of coming back. I would see eight to ten foot tall shadow things in the woods. They would pop into my bedroom every now and then. They always had either green or red eyes. One of the earliest memories I have was when my little brother was like really young, I think he was like maybe two or three. He was still in a crib and we were sharing a bedroom and I woke up and saw one of those things in the bedroom and freaked out. So I actually went in the crib with my little brother so I didn't have to sleep alone. My mom has told me, uh, pretty much, that she knew something was different and that I was experiencing things that she didn't understand or couldn't see or hear. Because of stuff like that, I would go sleep with my little brother in his crib, or I wouldn't go outside past dark, or I would tell her like the stuff that I would see in the forest, or I would I think I slept with her until I was thirteen. So my dad passed when I was ten, and after that happened, obviously, you know that's traumatic in everything. That's what I'd like. I slept with her, if I think for another three years, she said, But I always slept with my parents for some reason she didn't understand. But she was loving saying with my dad, they just wanted me to be happy, so it didn't really bother them. So that's some of the memories that I had as a kid. After my dad passed, obviously, went through grief and anger and all types of stuff, rebellious teenager stuff. And when I was fourteen, my mom told me that he actually passed in the driveway. So I was like, oh, well, I can talk to him. So I got a pendulum board and thought I was talking to him. I don't know what I was talking to, But after sitting in the driveway with the pendulum board for a while, things started happening in the house, as in things being thrown, things being moved. I have several friends that were one hundred percent skeptics became believers after hanging out at my house. We would have we were on I think it was like five or six acres of woods, so we had woods all around the house, and in the country you have like these pro paanet tanks for heat for the gas. Well, we would hear rocks being thrown from the woods hitting the propane tank and we would go run over there, flashlights trying to figure out, all right, who's messing with us? Never seen anybody. We'd go right back to the porch, have a cigarette or whatever we're doing, and then you would hear the ding of rocks hitting the propane tank again. Couldn't explain that. There was this one time when I was, Oh goodness, I can't remember, maybe eight or nine, where I played with American girl Dows a lot when I was a kid and my friend and I were they were in school, I guess you could say, so there was paper and pencils everywhere, and we got called into the kitchen for lunch, went to lunch, came back in the bedroom and there were pencil marks on the closet that were about as high as the dolls were, and the dolls were on the bed, so we couldn't figure out what that was, and being kids, were just like, Oh, that's weird. And then getting older, I'm like, that's messed up. What was that about? So that's something else that I kind of remember. And then I also have been sensitive to a lot of stuff, getting really uncomfortable and feel having like emotions that I don't think were mine. Now that I'm older, understanding that better. I had that happen a few different times. I'm trying to think. So. One other thing that tended to happen a lot at that house was we would hear talking just out of nowhere in the like the middle of the room or in the bathroom, and it would sound like someone had their hand over their mouth and two or three people were having a conversation. It would happen in the bedroom, in the living room, in the bathroom, and anybody that was over with me hanging out, we would go see if we could figure out what it was. Nothing was ever there. TVs turned on and off randomly. There was a TV in our attic that wasn't even plugged in that turned on. One day. We heard the static noise coming from somewhere and we saw all the TVs were off, so we're like, where is that coming from? Went up and it was in the attic. Don't know how that happened. So that's something else that happened a lot at that house. And then one of probably the freakiest memories I have was I think I was seventeen or eighteen, and I was with the guy I was dating at the time, and we were driving back from a house sitting my mom's boyfriend's house who lived down the road, and we're driving back and then he kind of slows the car down, and I'm like, what, what's the matter, And then he creeps the car up a little bit, and then we both look towards the woods on our right and this black figure turned its head to look at us and its eyes were glowing like a bluish white. We both freaked out, and he like sped off and we literally just drove around in the country for an hour because we didn't want to go back home, and then I found out that when we were when he stopped the car, he said he saw something big and black walk across the street, so that's why he rolled up to see what it was. And then that's when we saw that, and that memory is very very clear in my head. I don't know what that was, but that was that was crazy. Was it a human shaped? We saw a head and shoulders, So I don't know if it would have been like Now that I'm older, I'm wondering if we had uh Sasquatch in the yard, because doing all the research that I've done, a lot of the stuff that people experience in Sasquatch areas happened there, like the red eyes, especially the big tall eight to ten feet tall, just shadow things, rocks being thrown all the time, So that could have been possibly in the woods. There were times where I'd go walking around in the woods and I would swear to God, something was like right next to me. Walking next to me, I could hear the leaves crunching, and then I'd have rocks thrown at me in the woods, and I'm just like, that was weird. I don't see anything so there's nothing here. I don't know why that happened, And so that was I don't know, I want to go back to that property and kind of face my fears, because that's what kind of led me to bottle everything up, was because I would talk about that stuff and no one would believe me. And my mom she believed me, but I knew she didn't know what I meant and she didn't see her hear anything. But she was supportive enough to be like, Oh, I'm so sorry that that's happening to you. You know, I wish I could help, And she even went as far as to getting a priest to bless her land, thinking that that would actually help too. So she tried to help me in ways that she was able to, but because of the fact that she couldn't hear or see anything, she still hasn't to this day. We have no idea why she hasn't seen or heard anything like weird. My brothers actually even had he had an experience because he was kind of on the fence about everything. So him and my boyfriend were in his car, were in my boyfriend's car talking. I was in the house. So they were in the driveway and I guess a little bit before that, my brother went by towards the woods and was like, I don't believe in you. You don't exist. Prove to me you're real. Prove to me you exist. He was probably like twelve or thirteen, and I didn't know about this. I'm in the house and then I look outside. I'm like, Oh, that's weird. Our big, you know light that people in the country they have, like a gigantic light that likes the whole driveway and like the yard and stuff. I couldn't see it. I'm like, where the heck did that though? Did it get turned off? And I'm looking at the light twitching. I'm like, no, it's on. That's weird. Uh whatever. And then about ten minutes later, my boyfriend and my brother come busting in the door, freaking out, screaming and yelling, and I'm like, what the heck is going on? What's the matter? What happened? And they both told me that when they were sitting in my boyfriend's car listening to music, that my brother looked out the passenger window and he said, this is like verbatim what he said. He said to me, it looks like when you're in the desert and there's like all that heat on the pavement road that weird misty, he said, like blurred misty. Thing was like in the shape of a person outside the window, and it was raining and the rain was bouncing off of it, and then he saw it float up above the car and then it was like this black cloud engulf the car, and the car shut off and they couldn't like lock or unlock the doors. The car wouldn't start back up. And then my brother was like, and then I realized that I told it to show itself to me, and it did and then I apologized, he said, and then it like released them, and that's when they came in the house. So my brother, who was skeptical, was like, I don't know what that was or what is here? That was not cool. Needless to say, he never asked it to show itself again. I used to think that it was like demons or something, but now that I'm more educated and I know more, I don't think so that that wouldn't make any sense. I think it was just weird, weird spiritual stuff. And we'd see orbs and stuff all the time back in the day with the older digital cameras. You could take a picture and there would be hundreds of them, like different and I know there's like arguing back and forth between paranormal people on if orbs are real or not. I just I wish I had those pictures because there were red ones, blue ones, green ones, different sizes, ones that are itty bitty and ones that are huge. So we had tons and tons of pictures like that from like two thousand and six or seven, right when digital cameras started to come out, and my mom would always be like, yes, take pictures of the yard. Show them the pictures. I'm like, okay, So I take pictures and she's like, see you look at all this? What is this? Couldn't debunk it. I have no idea. And there were times where they would be self illuminated to like really bright. There's been a listener who's sent me some videos of orbs and stuff, and some of it I said, could be possibly dust, But there's some other ones like it looks like it comes through a window, flies down them, flies up past the cameras, Like doesn't look like a bug, and it's in the dead of winter, so it should be a bug coming in the window was closed So there are certain ORB things that I think are interesting, but then there's some other ones where I'm like, you can't hell if it's a photo, if that's dust or a bug or you never know. Yeah, yeah, I've seen the bugs before too. So it's especially nowadays that there's like video everywhere. There's a lot more of those videos popping up, and people that aren't educated I think every little thing is an ORB when it actually isn't. I remember that rods were the popular thing, the flying rods, and then you slow down the video and you literally looks like a bug with wings flapping as it goes past. It's like, yeah, so much for rods. Yeah, I remember those two. I'm not saying that every one of them is a bug, but it looks like the majority or probably a bug. As technology has got a little more advanced and camera and everyone had the phone and everything else on it, it's like a lot of the things from like the early two thousand seems to be getting debunked lately. That is very true. Yeah, I've noticed that as well, And it's like there's times where I'm like, oh, well, I'm glad they debunked it, but dang it, how was a cool piece of fooding. No, there's still the one thing out there that when you mentioned Bigfoot earlier, the original Patterson gimblin Fi. Yeah. The more and more people trying to bunk it, the more it looks more legitimate. Like they slow it down, they put it in high quality and like, oh you muscle detail. Oh you can see the head breast like stuff that you couldn't really see from the grainy footage. The more they clean it up to try and disprove it, the more it looks more authentic. Yeah exactly. Maybe that's just me wanting to believe, but it's a doesn't look like a man in a suit case. I'd like to see the suits they got produced, because I know the one guy that came out said he made the suit. The suit didn't look like what I know. Yeah, it was just like really, dude, seriously, and everyone's like, oh, the Patterson on his deathbeds he admite it to faking, and I was like, I don't know, he didn't. Yeah, that's just another rumor now that no one can disprove because using a word of a dead person, right exactly, that's very very true. But now that's the that's always been the smoking gun to me that I'm like, I can see certain other things that could possibly be real, but like the Freeman footage, to me, I don't know about that one when it comes to big foot, like it could be, but it also could be a person in the suit. That one's kind of if he cause you don't really see all that detail into it like you did the other one, right, Yeah, And ironically, the best footage is from a long time ago. Yeah, and cameras were you know, like wind up cameras or whatever they had back then. Mm hm oh man. And that's like the best footage that I do like older footage though, because of that factor that like, well, I'm sorry, computers weren't around back then, so how do they fake that? That's a little harder to fake things back then. Nowadays, with technology, especially with CGI, you don't ever know what you're getting into these days, That's true. I'm in like paring otal groups and stuff on Facebook and everything, and people post up videos like oh my god, you see this, and it's like a like a UFO or an ET or something like that, and I'm just like, I really hate to be the jerk here, but that's not real. Or I'll look at the old green orb in my picture. I'm sorry, sweet, that's Lens Flair. I hate being that person, but it's got to be done. Everything now i've noticed within the last two years has been the AI creative art. Yeah, and they're getting very very hard to tell the difference if they're real or fake, because I've seen one recently in the last few months. So it was supposed to be like a sasquatch is standing up. It's the picture I was taken from like the early eighties. It is just the back part of it. I can kind of tell that it looks fake. And then someone that created it said it was fake. But it continues to get spread and all these groups is being legit. I was like, no, the guy admitted how he made it. He used CGI like he used like an AI generated thing. He used like references for certain things, for keywords, and he explained how he did it, and all these groups are no, it's real. It's real. It's like the dude, admit it. It's fake, but you can't. People want to believe too much that is true. There are a lot of people that won't like see things or not see things that are aren't there. Everybody has their own perception of reality pretty much too. So you could tell someone this is fake. Here's the person he's telling you it's fake, and they still will believe it. Or you will have the opposite with skeptics, like somebody that completely does not believe in anything, and you could give them a bigfoot body and they still will be like, no, that's not real, that's fake. So it's like both ends of the spectrum. I try to go, you know, I dance the line, but I could try to be right in the middle. I try to debunk first and then then I'll say it's something weird. But being introduced to like the weird so early in life, I automatically have already had like the I have more of a believer side than a skeptic side, but in you gotta be skeptical with a lot of stuff though, as well, like going ghost hunting and stuff. When I was young, trying to debunk stuff first, like I wish to god, I still had this footage because it was a VHS tape, and you know, you can't really like fake VHS tapes anymore. So a couple of friends and I were going We went up to this graveyard and it was June sixth, two thousand and six, so oh six six six day or whatever her way back then. So we're like, oh, let's go ghost hunting. So we went ghost hunting and got the night vision cameras and everything. I was the EVP person, so I had the little digital recorder that had the mini cassette tapes. They don't really make those anymore. And we're walking around and like, there were times where I didn't feel right, or it would get cold or weird stuff like that, or we one of my friends saw like an orb like go in between two tombstones, little things here and there. We didn't really think much of it, and then we're like, Okay, we're gonna go home and look at the footage. We went home and popped a VHS tape in and I think we got like something on the EMF detector or I can't remember something happened, and then my friend panned the camera and then this black head and shoulders floated over like this light way in the background, so there was street lights and stuff in the background, and then you just see this pure black head and shoulders just float past it. We sat there rewound that like one hundred times and you can see us like it was night vision. So we all agree, what is this black person thing that floated across the camera in like two seconds? It was crazy. I wish I still had that tape, but I don't know where that went, saying with all my old EVP tapes, no idea where they went. Now here's a movie. I want you to move. It seems like things disappear pretty much. Yeah, I used to have something recorded years ago. That's when I was still in high school. I was on the old VHS, the big thick VHS tapes, like the big Yeah, and there was a light out by my bedroom, and it was hovering or over the house next door, and it looked like the moon, but you could see it slightly moves. I was recording it with the big camera and on the camera you can kind of see that it does move a little bit behind the trees. And then I took it to school and I showed one of my teachers about it, and he said, oh, you're out there pulling moll you just record the moon. I was like, no, man, it was not the moon. Like this is literally to the east the moon to be setting towards the west at that time in the morning, as before I got up to go on the bus. I was like, the moon had been in the opposite direction. It was not the moon. That's never been there again, so I never seen it again. Don't know whatever it was, but that was like twenty five some years ago at this point. Wow. I have a friend that actually had that exact same thing happened to him pretty much a couple of years back. He didn't get pictures or anything because he was driving, but he I'm the paranormal friend and anybody that has anything happening and they get hold of me. So he texted me. He's like, dude, you're never going to guess what happened. I think I saw you a full I'm like what I was like, okay, explain, and he's like, so I was driving home from work and there was just this big circular white light in the sky and I'm just like, oh, it's probably the moon. Oh, the moon looks kind of cool tonight. He's like, I'm just driving home and then I get home the Moon's on the opposite side of the sky. What the heck did I just see? And I'm like, oh, are you serious? He was like, yeah, I got home and realized, wait, the moon's over there, but I saw that over there? How was that possible? So he was like, I saw a ufhone. I didn't even realize it. Dang, I suck. I think a lot of people see stuff like that and not realize what it was. Yeah, and then later on they think about it. Strangely enough, I talked about it on another podcast in all recent one that i'd released. But a few months back, out our backyard it looked like there was an orange glowing almost like a flare, except to a stationary and then it went up a little bit. Then it just completely disappeared. If it was a flare, I figured it was dropped down right, but it didn't drop. It just went up a little bit. We'll kind of moved behind a tree, and then just straight up LinkedIn was gone. And then about a month ago we were coming home and my wife and my kids seeing it with me, but right in front of our house, like up in the sky. I thought it was well, whatever that elon must thing is not skied at the starlink. I was going to call it sky No, that's like permanent, right, But starlink. I thought that's what it was, because there's like multiple little dots in a line, but they weren't going in the like a direction. They were just like stationary and they're kind of they weren't. It was almost like zigzagged. And I had my wife trying to record it with my phone, but for whatever reason, you don't really see it on like if I transcend it to people, it doesn't show it quality on my phone. You can still see it, and it's strange, but like you could see and then it just lately vanished, so I don't know. I was like, that's weird, Like with up two weeks, we've seen two weird things right out by our house, right Well, I think a lot of stuff is picking up for some reason. There's a lot more reports of especially like UFO sightings and stuff. God that yeah, getting into that subject. Definitely seeing a bunch of those from when I was young growing up in the country. Go out across the street to the golf course, throw some blankets down and just look at the sky and you'd see all types of stuff like way up there, like stuff going really fast or something that was just chilling, was just stationary and then it would shoot right up, or it would shoot to the left or the right, and you're sitting there like, wait, what just happened? What was that? Yeah? My stepdad actually he admitted to seeing UFOs out that way as well, which is kind of funny because he never used to be into paranormal whatsoever. And then as I talk about it with my mom, he's like, Okay, I've seen some stuff. So maybe I think it was last year. No. Two, fourth of July is ago. So living out in the country and stuff, we can do what we want. So we got lots of fireworks, and so we're blowing off fireworks for a while, and then we decided to just, you know, take a break and chill. It was probably like ten o'clock and I'm looking up at the sky and there was three or four times the size of like our tourists are serious, like those really big bright stars, really really bright white light. And I've been I'll get into this too, but I do ce five close encounters of the fifth kind, so I try to pretty much contact whoever is up there, like by pretty much telepathic stuff. So I saw that and in my head I was thinking, if that's you, could you flash shat me. It got really bright and then it got dim, and then it got really bright again, and then it went to normal, and I literally said holy shit out loud, and my mom was like, what what? And I pointed in the well. He was my boyfriend at the time, but my fiance was there too, and I pointed and they both saw whatever it was, and then it. I was thinking in my head, could you please, you know, flash again? I really want them to see you. It did the opposite. It shrinked down and then shot off. I was like, that was rude. But they both can't really explain what it was. So then we were sitting out there skywatching for a while and there were a few different things. I mean, you can see what's a plane, obviously, you know what satellites are. I have like apps and stuff on my phone that tracked planes and satellites and starlink and all that stuff. And there's been many times where we to see like a really bright flash in the sky and he can't where did that come from? There's nothing there. Why did he get like really bright? And then tom out out of nowhere And my fiance was looking up, He's like, babe, what's that? And he pointed up, and I have a a Psionics Aurora Pro camera, so it's a very good night vision camera, especially for like skywatching, and so I zoomed in and he was right, whatever, there was something that was kind of just chilling, traveling slowly, and then it stopped, like dead stop, and I thought. I was like, oh, it stopped, and I showed him and he's like, what the heck? And then before he could even think, it shot off into the sky. And he was like, uh. Because he's more of a skeptic too, he's like, I know, I don't know. And I was like, well, what do you think it was? He goes, well, it wasn't a plane, that's for sure, especially that far up it could it be a satellite. I'm like this out of light shoot off out of nowhere. And he was like, oh well no, I'm like, babe, you just saw a UFO. Yeah. There's been there's so many instances with like with UFO stuff I've seen in the sky and then doing the the CE five stuff, We've had some interesting stuff happened to us. I actually have footage on my Aurora Pro of I don't know. I guess you could say a UFO because my my CE five group, we go out to Mony, Illinois, which is not really city or suburbs. It's more country and where we're at it's fields and stuff. And we all get together and I have my call my tech guy Eric. He's the tech guy who has all the different apps and all the stuff that tells you what's where and what part of the sky at whatever time. So we're all sitting looking and my one friend pointed out, She's like, what is that? And it was kind of by the so that's north so northwestern part of the sky by I think it was arcturists for anybody that is into like spacey stuff. So where our tourists was, it was kind of a little bit above that, and it was just this bright white light and it was just going and then it like got really really bright, and then it would dim out a little bit, and then we're'd be like, where is it? And then it would get really really bright and dim out, And a lot of times you would think that would be a satellite, because my one friend, she was saying that satellites catch like the sun, and so they kind of flare up occasionally when they catch the light of the sun. I'm like, okay, that makes sense. But it traveled a fourth of the sky and then we couldn't see it with our naked eye anymore. It would only come up on the camera, so we could only see it with the night vision cameras, not with our naked eye. And Eric was like, hey, you know what, what's the time? What time is it? And I was like, it's nine oh five. So for ten minutes before that and ten minutes after he looked at all of his data stuff and there were no satellites, there were no planes, there was nothing in that section of the sky around that time. And I've got that camera, so I'm just like, sweet, I got that on camera. Do you still have that then? Oh yeah, I still got it yep. I'd love to see it sometime. Yeah. I got to figure out how to like, I got a new computer too, so I'm still learning how to work my new laptop, so I need to get like the little tiny SD card and put it in there to see if I could upload it and stuff. Still learning technology stuff. Yeah, that was that was interesting. I I can't explain that, especially since my tech guy was like, I know, I don't know what it was. I can't explain that it wasn't a satellite or a plane. There was nothing in the sky at that time. So there's a lot of weird things. I've looked up in there, and you see things moving. I was like, wonder if OLA's the satellites. It's not blinking, but you see something moving. Yeah, it just looks like it disappears, like okay, well, so I like when it disappeared. That's strange. Yeah, see stuff stop and then zip off another direction or go like do a ninety degree angle and stuff. I remember when I was a kid, and I think it was the hail Bop Comet or whatever, Haley's Gone whatever that. Yeah, I was called back in the nineties, and I remember that my dad went out and tried to videotape it with the old VHS camera. And again I wish I knew where these tapes were. But like you could see him filming that, like you can see what he was filming, but he couldn't see it. But on the tape you could see like a little blinking light it went on the side of the comet and then like it went over here to this side. You could see like moving around the comic. Oh, strange, but you never he didn't see anything when he was out recording it, but you could see it on the VHS tape. I was like, man, I wish I could find that now. Like as a kid, I didn't think anything about it. Like back in the nineties, I was like, oh, the X file, the alien's cool, right, but like I didn't like nowadays, like, man, I wish I could find that crap. I know, yeah, this awesome footage that we have that we didn't really think about, and now we're older and we're like, well shoot. Ironically though, I was watching that same comment when I was a kid. That was also the Phoenix Lights night. Yeah, yeah, the famous Phoenix Lights. Was this the same night because everybody was outside, you know, looking at the comet and then they all got video and saw whatever that was huge ship over Phoenix. That was one of the things I always thought was interesting too as a kid, because that was think in like ninety seven, and I remember the news showed it and then like a couple days later they brought out this the governor brought out this big alien in a suit. I was like, they made it a big joke and then I don't remember if now if they claim it was flares or what it was, but the whole thing seemed to be I think, obviously I'm tenfoil hat guy over here, but I always thought the whole thing was covered up. Yeah, no it was. Well, the governors come out and said that he saw it as well, and that's why he made fun of it, was because he didn't really know how to feel about it, so well that's what he says. Who knows, But that's one thing that he said about that. And then what was the other thing? There was a documentary I was watching on that not long ago. Then these people they tested the flare theory because that was one of the things they were like, all the military was doing flares, and that's what they told everybody. Then that was in ninety seven. Now people are going into like f was it Freedom of Information Act? People are getting documents and they've got documents from that night and there was no air traffic whatsoever, no exercises, know nothing that day on the documentation. So I thought that was kind of interesting. I enjoy people investigating things that have been like a while ago that seems a little weird or seems like it might have been covered up and people are digging into this stuff. Now. I remember there was an old uh, the alien interview from like the nineties, and now, oh god, yeah, now there's someone out there who actually believes it is one hundred percent real and they were trying to prove it, and I don't know whatever happened with it. I haven't tried to follow it since then, but like, I heard this guy on a different podcast and he was talking about it, and now that ever thinking about it, like, I need to go look into this guy and see whatever else came about it. But apparently all I thought it was fake even as a kid, it looked fake to me. But apparently story is it wasn't really fake. So I think I've heard about that. And do you remember that alien autopsy? Yeah, oh my god, that one was faked. Yeah, the alien interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it seems strange because it looked like a yeah, it almost like, yeah, it looked like I were interviewing a puppet. And I think it was on like UPN or something, and that was known for being like I don't know what it was doing back in the nineties, but it's like it wasn't really a major network at the time, so I feel like they were just trying to grasp its stuff. So right as a kid, as a teenager or whatever, when it came out, I didn't really think much of it. So yeah, no, you're right there, Like I do remember it, and I thought like it was I'm like, I don't know, it looks kind of weird, and it has popped up more recently like on stuff you should watch on YouTube or whatever. So I've rewatched it and I don't know it's it definitely seems fake. But then again, like you were saying, there are people that are digging into it. What was that one show, Unsolved Mysteries? I love that was a really good show. I think the audio to my podcast is reminiscent to that a little bit. I had my former bandmate he did those old music and stuff for me, and I don't know if he did that as an influencer wopping it was what I talk about on here, But every time I hear the music, it kind of gives me that Unsolved Mysteries vibe, which is that one of my favorite shows as a kid. Right, yeah, I think, uh, it was like two or three years ago. We were messing around with like all the streaming apps. I think one of them was like Tooty or something, and I saw the Unsolved Mysteries and I was like, Babe, oh my god, and we turned it on and just hearing the music, you get like all these flashbacks when you're a kid. Yeah, oh god, good times, more simple times back then, that's for sure. They released some new ones here in the last couple of years on Netflix. Yeah, watch me too. I loved the Michigan UFO one, the radar specialist and meteorologist that one. I love that they did that because I know about that, but I had no clue. There was so much actual evidence and data with it, so that made that even cooler. Yeah, I know the town. It's a little south of here. Back in I think it was two thousand and eight. Ufo Hunter's TV show was out here yep, yep, and not too far from where I live now. They were supposedly like someone seen a something hovering. They had it on like their old flip phone camera, so the quality looks like crap. And the guy that recorded, I actually know who that is. It's my friend's sister's husband. So but that'll happened out in this area and then it's the same night. I know the cops were out chasing the light or whatever. I've watched the episode like a couple of years ago on YouTube. I kind of want to watch it again now. Talking about us, I guess strange it like this little town of Kokomos on the History Channel's UFO Hunters right now. That was a cool show. They actually they came over here for the Tinley Park lights. It was as Fest of like two thousand and four, and I did see those, but I didn't really think anything of it. Another time where it's like, well, dang, if I would have really been paying attention. Because we were leaving as Fest and I noticed these three lights in the sky that were like a triangle. I'm like, oh, that's weird. Huh okay, Yeah, I don't know. I just keep driving. It's like, oh, dude, why did I not like put two and two together? No. I actually uh got to talk with the head mof on guy for Illinois, Sam Martusis I think his name is. I saw him at a conference back in July, and one of the things that he was talking about was the Tilling Park lights, and he was like, did anybody see the Tilling Park lights back in two thousand and four, and I raised my hand and he's like, really, what day did you see them? And I'm like, I I think it was August thirty first, and he's like, you are correct. That was actually the first time that they were seeing so you know the date. That's awesome. We need to talk when we're done. And I'm like, okay, so yeah, to talk to him about that for a little bit, that was definitely funny. There's actually this weekend, there's two things that I'm trying to go to and I can't the same time. I just found out in my hometown at the library they're doing a UFO convention, like people are supposed to come out and talk about UFO stuff, which I thought was strangers doing it here at my public library and my little dank Gass town. And then up north they were doing a Bigfoot meeting to talk about Sasquatch siding and stuff in the air. I was like, oh man. I was like, they're both at the same time. I can't be it. I was like, I want to go to both. I've already said I was going to go to the Sasquatch thing. I was like, so if I can't really not go to that one. I was supposed to go to one this weekend, but we got a bunch of snow. I woke up at like later in the morning. I was like, I'm not going to try and attempt to drive up there at this point, right the snow blowing around. Yeah, there's there's a lot more like conventions and stuff and talks I guess you'd say going on nowadays too. It's crazy how much actually I've missed the past couple of years, Like I didn't know about like the Michigan Paranormal Conference that's like one of the biggest ones in the country that happens every August. And then there's the Great Lakes Paranormal Convention up in Wisconsin that's like September. And I'm just like, oh man, I'm gonna be busy this year. Last year, I actually me and some friends road tripped down to Arkansas to go to the ozark UFO conference last year. So we're going again this year in April. I'm excited. It was so much fun meeting so many people. Now, Yeah, we went down, we got a cabin and stayed for the weekend, and so we're gonna. We actually got the same cabin and we're going to stay in extra day so we can actually enjoy the area because it's a cabin on fifty acres on a lake, and we didn't really get to enjoy it because we're waking up at six in the morning to be at the conference by eight, getting back to the cabin at nine. You gotta go to bed. So I got to meet so the it was it twenty and seventeen was when they started releasing those videos from two thousand and four, the Nimbitz videos. Was it the gimbal and the gofast those I got to meet one of the people that was there that day. His name's Captain Sean Cagill, and he was on the Nimtz that day. He was at the conference, and he's actually had a lot of experiences since he was young, which I found was interesting. It tends to happen with military families where like it goes back generations. They have UFO contact and everything, and they're in the military. So I thought that was interesting that he's had contacts since he was a kid. One thing that one of the memories I have when I was like probably six, was in the back of the yard. I was just playing outside and I saw this I don't know, old bulbous head thing with two the top parts of the eyes, like the black eyes, and it was going back and forth in the bushes. And I don't have a memory of going back inside. I just remember being inside, So I don't know what happened or if something happened, but I remember seeing it and that I was in the house. I don't remember going back into the house, and I've thought about getting regressed for that, but I also kind of don't want to. I've had a couple of people come on that have been hypnosis or hypnotists or whatever, and they do stuff like that, and I even straight up home like I'm a little sketchy when it comes to hypnotisms because I don't know what not that I and trust people, but I don't trust people, and I don't I wouldn't want someone putting in like a false memory, not by intentionally doing it, but like asking questions and manifesting some sort of fake memory in there. So then all of a sudden, I'm talking about something that didn't really happen. I don't know if that's a possibility or not. But uh, actually it kind of is. I don't know if you've heard of Greg and Dana Newkirk, No, not really familiar with that. Okay, they're a couple that they specialize in like haunted objects and occult stuff like that, and they it just kind of that's just how they are. They started researching haunted objects and then people started giving them stuff and they have like this huge collection of stuff. But one thing that they did, they have a documentary at Amazon Prime called Hellier h E L L I E R. Okay, yeah, I know who, I know the show Okay, yeah, and then they just did the end binding was and they just did well. One of the because they like to do experiments, like just in general. So one of the experiments they did was they had their friend get hypnotized, and the hypnotists didn't really give too many suggestions, but this guy did not believe in UFOs, did not believe in aliens and think any of that existed. And then after he was hypnotized, I can't exactly remember what the hypnotist said, but he said, like, so you see that you're in like a field and you see this light. What's happening? And I think they were trying to see if somebody could get abducted when they're being hypnotized, so like their brain is being I guess you could say taken over, and they were curious if somebody could actually be abducted and have abduction memories. And he ended up when he was hypnotized, he was saying that, Yeah, he went on this ship with these people, and he you know, he didn't like it, but when he came to and was himself again, he didn't remember any of it and he just is scared of UFOs and ets now he doesn't know why. So, yeah, I can't remember if that was in I think it was in Hellier when they actually showed the footage of that. So if you're curious about that, that's it's in that show, because I remember seeing that I watched Hellier, but I don't remember much of it, like I remember I watched it or it was on in the background, so it wasn't really Yeah. Yeah, because when we first moved into this house, there was no internet for the first year like that, okay, so I was streaming stuff from my phone and it was we lived out in the country. So it took him a little over a year before then to bring fiber out this place. And when it finally did it like, oh I finally have internet again. That was a that's a horror story all in itself of trying to live life without having internet when you're work at everything, your kids need it for school and else the country living, I guess. But we finally got our internet installed, and but during that time I was trying to stream stuff to use my phone as like a hot spot to try and watch stuff on TV. And I remember I was trying to watch Hellyer something if I ever finished it or not, just because it was taking forever for it to download. Even where we have crappy cell phone service too. Yeah, no, I know how that is. I used to have to lean my phone up against my bedroom window to send a texta messay. Yeah, that's how it used to be too a couple of years ago. Even when I lived in town, it was the same way, Like I have to go over by a door or a window to get some sort of service. Yep. Where we live now we have a metal roof, so I think that plays a part into it as well. Oh yeah, probably now the house has a metal roof on it, So I was like I wonder if that's part of the reason why we get happy service inside. Still, yeah, that's a possibility. Yeah, there's a there's two seasons of it, I think, and I know there's a third one coming out because I actually saw Greg and Data Newkirk in October for like I don't I don't really stay conference, but like they were traveling around talking to people or whatever, and that was what they were saying that season three is like pretty much done. They just don't it's got to be edited and stuff. So I'm like, okay, cool, because I just watched the first two seasons of it. I don't know if you can notice behind me, but like one of the photos, like back here, that's a Kentucky goblin. Oh okay, Oh that's awesome. Yeah, it's hard to see with it being green and everything, but that was it even says at the bottom of a Kentucky goblin. So that's my friend Easton Hawk. He he's an illustrator draw stuff like that in our so he's got all sorts of cryptids and that was one of the ones that I got from me just because the Kentucky Goblins that's always be Yeah, that story has always fascinated me. And what's funny is I I've heard about it, but I didn't know too much about it until watching that show, and I'm like, oh, wow, how have I not dug more into this speaking of like cryptids and like little goblins. I since since I like kind of am a little bit more educated, I wonder if they're uh, puck wedgies. So on the East Coast in Massachusetts, especially like the Bridgewater Triangle area, there's these little things called puck wedgies and they're you know, known to be like h kind of tricksters and stuff like that. So when I was watching Hell Here, I'm like, oh, I wonder if that's like the same thing, just a different name, because it sounds similar. No waste. Actually, by the time this episode comes out, of the episode I recorded will already be out too. I interviewed. I'm like, you've ever seen Exploring with Phil? He does a lot of Bridgewater Triangle stuff. Oh yeah, actually yeah. I talked with him a couple about a month or so ago, and we talked about puck Wedgies and stuff that he had run into with too, like communications with the meetings with EVPs and other things. So it's an interesting episode. Oh, I'll definitely have to listen to that. Then that's cool. But yeah, they're where I live here in Indiana. There is to the south and Anderson, there's Mount State Park, and there's been okay, there's been all sorts of rumors and stories of people encountering little humanoid creatures at Mount State Park. What's funny is I didn't know that until just recently too, because I was looking more into research stuff with the Triangle after having experiences out there. And Chris Belzano, he's actually on the Bridgewater Triangle documentary. He went out to that area and they were having a lot of weird things happen, and he was saying, he's like, to this day, he can't explain some of the stuff. Like they saw like they didn't know what it was. It was like a deer but it just appeared out of nowhere and it acted like I can't remember his words, but it wasn't acting like a normal deer wood. And then he said it just disappeared and they felt like they were being washed like that whole time. And then there was something else that happened that Oh it's skin drumming nuts Now I can't remember. He was talking about it on a podcast actually, So I just recently found out about that area and I'm like, how far is it from where I live? That four hours isn't that bad. Maybe I'll go. So Bridgewater Triangle topic, that's definitely something I researched lot more lately because I've been there. So my fiance and I have been going out east a lot to Massachusetts. Originally, we went there to go see Nightwish last year in May, and we just fell in love with the area, like Boston, the history, all the hiking, the ocean, like, we love it out there. So we went back in June for our anniversary, and obviously we went to Salem too. Salem's very very awesome and very very haunted, and then we all saw under Right. And then this past October early November, we went back to see Depeche Mode in Boston. So I had a whole hiking, paranormal trip planned out this time around. So we went to the Hackamocks Swamp, which is yeah, like seventeen thousand acre swamp that unfortunately a lot of Native Americans were slaughtered at and one of the most popular things around that area, Puck wedgies. So what happened to us when we were out there? And I didn't really like, I'm not like, oh, something's gonna happen. We're in the Hackamock Swamp. I'm just like, Oh, we're going hiking. This is fun because it's fall and all the pretty colors and everything like, and I'm in a really cool area that I've been wanting to check out for a long time. So I had the intention of being in there for two or three hours walking around and stuff. Well, fifteen minutes in, I don't feel so good my Whenever something's around me, I just know it. I can sense it, and like, I got this punched in my gut feeling, and I'm just like, just ignore it. It's not like you live around here, so you need to enjoy it while you're here. Just ignore it. And we're just walking and my fiance's looking around at the leaves and stuff, and it was kind of ringing too, so we had umbrellas. And then another like ten or fifteen minutes goes by and I can't do it no more. I'm like, Babe, I can't do this anymore. He's like, what's the matter. I'm like, do you feel anything, and he's like, I don't know. I'm just looking around at the pretty colors and stuff, and I'm like, I have one of my feelings and he knows what that means. He's like, oh shit really And I was like, yeah, my stomach is going nuts, like it didn't wear a Provincetown last year. And he was like, okay, do you have that EMF thingy? Because I had a little K two meter with me, which actually proved that this was interesting. So one of the paths into the Hakamuck Swamp you go under huge power lines, so that was my first thought. I'm like, oh, it's probably just the power lines. I'm probably picking up the EMF from that. That's probably what it is. Well, I turned the EMF on there is none. I'm like, oh, there is no EMF. That's weird. Okay, so it's not that. What else is it causing this feeling that I'm feeling? And I give the EMF detector to Steve and he's like, well, is there anything here? And then it went to red. I'm like are you serious? And then I'm like, are you a puck wedgie? Just like asking questions? It wouldn't respond to me. Whatsoever. But it responded to him, and he's the skeptic, so I thought that was weird. And he's like, well, I'm going to hang on to this. So I'm like okay. So we just keep walking and I'm trying to just ignore the pit in my stomach. And I like, as soon as we got in there, I kept like looking around in front of me, looking around behind me. I felt like something was going to rush up on us, either from the front or the back. It just was a very uncomfortable feeling. And I the only time I've ever felt that was in the woods by my house growing up, so I was getting like flashbacks of that. I'm like, oh man, i haven't felt this in a very long time. This is weird. And so we're still walking and stuff, and then we stopped a couple times and Steve was asking questions. He's like, are you pissed off about the power lines over there on your land? Because he's kind of a jackass, and it went to red and we're just like, okay, that's interesting. And he was wearing a black Hawks hat because you know, Chicago, and then he was like, are you upset about the hat that I'm wearing? It went to red again, and then whenever I would have it and ask any questions, it nothing. And I couldn't explain that. I thought that was so freaking weird. And after a while we both were kind of like, Okay, yeah, let's just we're not wanted here. I'm uncomfortable. Steve got really uncomfortable, and so we started walking back. And then after I don't know, fifteen twenty minutes, I didn't feel like he was behind me anymore, so I stopped and I looked behind me, and he's standing there, facing the opposite direction, standing still, and I'm like, hebe what are you doing? And he just like jumped and was like, nope, we're going. We're going. Let's go. Let's go, let's go, and like started kind of jogging a little bit to get back to me. He's like, no, we're going. So I knew something wasn't right, and I looked at him. I'm like, do not tell me until we get to the car. So we start walking really fast out of the swamp area. As soon as we get out of that one path, I feel normal and fine, Like this big weight got lifted off of me, and like the whole time we were walking out, we kept feeling like something was good at was like pushing us like damn near, like just to get get out, get out, get out. And as soon as we crossed the threshold and we were back in like the the regular path, I guess you could say it like dissipated. So that was weird. And what's weird also is where the path ended. It was where the power lines were. So if the power lines in the EMF was messing with me, I would feel it the strongest underneath them, not when I was further in the woods. So that was one thing. I'm just like, that doesn't make any sense. So when we get back to the car, I was like, okay, so what happened? He because he looked at me and he's like, I think I just had my first full blown paranormal experience. I like, are you serious? Okay? What I want to know because I've had millions of them and you always say you don't know if you've had one or not. He told me that when he had the EMF detector, there was once or twice where when we were standing looking around and being quiet, he heard something next to him like kind of shuffle its feet, like somebody was next to us, and then the EF detector went to red. And then he's like, and remember when I kind of stopped and you had to, you know, and be like, hey, what's going on? While I was being pulled back in there for some reason, Like I knew we were leaving and I didn't want to be in there, but I wanted to be in there. I can't explain it. I'm like, okay. He's like, so I was standing there, debating on what to do, and then I heard something run at me and then it went to and I'm like, oh, really, Like what do you mean you heard something run at you? He's like, like footsteps, like coming at me in front of me, and then this went to red, and that's what I was like, Nope, believe in. I'm like, that's interesting, Okay. I can't debunk that either, because it was kind of raining, and you know, it was fall so there were leaves on the ground, and you know the difference between footsteps and rain. I guess you could say, yeah, so that was that was a very interesting experience. And he's still like, it's still funny to me that he had his first full blown paranormal experience in the Bridgewater Triangle of all plates. I mean, so what doesn't really surprise me a little bit? Right? What's funny is I think it was a puck wedgie messing with him, because they're known to mess with people that are like skeptics and non believers like the polk and product them to see if they can kind of get them to go over the edge a little bit. Me, I have abilities. I know when stuff's around me, you can't really scare me. But that freaked him out, and him being him, He's like, no, I was, It's a racist ghost. I'm a white dude wearing a black hawk's hat in a Native American area. It was a Native American spirit that was mad at me. And I'm like, okay, that makes you feel better? Yeah, I don't. I don't know what to think when it comes to things like that. I've never seen one to my knowledge, and I mentioned I think I shared something on the other episodes. I don't really want to dive into it again. And I do know I would like to go down to that area not too far from here and snoop around. I've actually been there. My wife's father and stepmother. They used to have a camper and they stayed there during the summer, like every weekend. So we'd been there to visit, but and I'd heard stories about it, but I've never actually tried to go around and investigate or anything like that. It's kind of hard to deal with you or kids and everything else. Oh yeah, that's true. No. Then then I'd mentioned that Bigfoot thing next week they're supposed to be doing an outing down here. That's where I live is there's a state park not along too far from here, and there's been recent bigfoot sidings. I was like, how's everyone fighting all this stuff? I was, I gota live in the area and I do the podcast and everyone else does a bigfoot sightings in my backyard. Basically I don't know anything about It's like, that's crazy, right, So that's kind of why I want to go to the Bigfoot thing this weekend, because I was like, we're at exactly because yeah, I has to know. I'm going to go out and look do my own reconnaissance on it. So right, yeah, we actually, I mean I think we saw a puck wedgie. I don't know what else to call it. So the puckwadges are known not just in the Triangle, but that whole area at Massachusetts in general. So we were driving. We went to Provincetown, which is the very very tip of the arm that comes out of Massachusetts. So we went there for a little while, and then we were driving back. When we were in Provincetown, we were going to try to go to American Horror Story. They filmed a lot of stuff over there, so we were going to try to go to one of the cemeteries that was a filming location for season ten. I think it was. I think it was the first part of it, because it was like a two parter. They were in Provincetown and Cape Cod and stuff that was part of the episode or the series. So I told Steve, like where we were going. I gave him the GPS, and we're going And then I had that horrible pit in my stomach again, and pretty much I looked at him. I'm like, when we get there, I'm staying in the car. You want to go explore, explore, staying in the car. I don't feel good, And He's like okay, and we're getting closer and closer. I mean, I didn't know we were physically because I don't know where we're going. He's got the GPS on him. I don't I didn't know we were getting closer. I just felt like we were getting closer. And uh so pretty much we're I think we were just about there. And he's like, uh yeah, I don't know, babe, I don't think im mightna get out of the car. And I'm like why. He's like, I don't know. I don't feel right. I'm like okay, and then before I know it, we're going past it. So it was like right where we were. When we were there, he felt uncomfortable and I kept hearing in my head like Indian burial ground, Indian burial ground, and I'm like, why is that going through my head right now? Okay, that's weird. And so I felt really uncomfortable there. And then we tried to go to Race Point Beach. That road just in general is creepy, like it's just one single road, no lights, with these windy trees, like windy beach trees is what we call them. And it's dark out so you can't really see anything. So we're going and going, and I feel like we're being surrounded by something, and I kept seeing red and like blood in the water blood on the beach. In my head, I'm like, what the hell, And we both decided, we're like, yep, no, we're just gonna go back to the hotel. It's gonna take us two and a half hours, so let's just get back to the hotel. We have a long day tomorrow. So we're driving back and when you go into Provincetown, there's literally run one road in one road out almost the entire cape, like there's one highway, and it's weird. It's not like the highways around here where you're next to the oncoming traffic. You don't have oncoming traffic. It's just one road and then there's like woods and stuff on each side. So we were going in this one section and he like slams on the brakes, and I was actually on my phone trying to research the area, like why did I get these bad feelings? What happened over here? Well, I guess the beach. Race Point Beach was a whaling butchering beach for a while there, so that made sense. I'm like, okay, And obviously, the slaughtering of the Native Americans obviously, So I was on my phone and he slammed his brakes and we both look up and he swears that he's He's like, I don't know what I just saw, but something that was just a little bit above the guard rail kind of peered out and looked at the car and then went back into the woods. And I was like, what color was it? He said it was like a tannish color. But it was just a little bit higher than the guardrail, so if you think about that, that's probably three or four feet maybe, And he said it was like a tan color. And he saw it like lean its head out, like put its hand on the guardrail, lean out, and then go back. And I was like, huh, I bet that was a puck wedgie and he was like, no, it's not a puck wedgie. It was a deer. Babe. I saw a deer. And I'm like, okay, because deers have hands and can do that and they're that tall. Okay, babe. So that was another that was last year. So last year that happened around Provincetown, and then this year in October was when we had that experience at the swamp. So those were some really interesting things. The whole man, that whole area is just amazing. We went to Freetown Fall River State Forest as well, and we've been to the Lizzy Bardon House, which is pretty much in the triangle. That place is really cool, but you can definitely there's I don't know, it's when we went up to the third floor, we both got really, really dizzy and we had to sit down. So that was weird. But the Freetown Fall River State Forest is another area where puck wedgies are known, and that's where a lot of Bigfoot site happen. I saw tree structures there, and if you know Bigfoot, you know what tree structures are. No I got pictures of them. I wish I had them on my computer. I might be able to share my screen with you. But these gigantic xes that were like twenty feet in the air, like it was not natural. The trees they're how can I word this rite They were taken out of the ground and put in an ex formation and it was like it was weave together with some of the other trees so it wouldn't fall. I could not I can't explain that. It was weird. And there was this one that was broken at a completely ninety degree angle that was probably eight or nine feet off the ground and Steve be and Steve was like, oh, it probably just did that naturally, it's probably gonna fall off, and it's really loose. So he's sat there and started poking it and it wasn't moving, and then he grabbed. He's like, oh, that's really sturdy. No that I don't think that broke on its own. But I'm like, yeah, I don't think it did either. So there were a lot of bigfoot structures in the Freetown Fall River State Forest, which was really interesting to see. I wasn't expecting to see that there. I would expect that into hackmock swamps. So that was really neat and I couldn't I can't debunk it considering how high they were, how big the trees were, how they were uprooted pretty much, it'd be hard for a normal person who out there and fake it. Basically, yeah, yeah, And I mean there's stuff that you can see person did or that's more natural. All that tree fell over, Okay, that's not what we saw when we were out there. I don't. I can't explain it. It was. It was really cool though, because I mean where I live in Illinois, there's not really any big foot sightings there is up in Wisconsin and then like really really south Illinois, but not by me. So I never thought I would be able to see stuff like that. So I was just like, you know, kid in a candy store, like, oh my god, babe, babe, baby, look it's a tree structure. He's like, oh, what about nine years ago? Eight or nine years ago, I went out to Oregon for a few days and I loved it that the air is completely different, and we were at a Hood River, which you're right up on the Washington state line, so that whole area is like I could totally tell why people say there's bigfoot out here because just the environment itself, it's just vast and wilderness and pine tree forest. Everything else is like yeah, I can figure and like I could see where something could be living out here. But that's uh. I got a big foot magnet from there. That was my memory from a Hood River, Oregon. So yeah, I want to go out that way one day. I know it's bigfoot central out that way. It'd be so cool. I would love to have like a full on, you know, class a sighting one day, even if it's just first what second, that would be so awesome. I've seen ghosts, I've seen et beans. I haven't seen Bigfoot yet. I've seen a thunderbird once when I was younger. I mean that, I don't know what else to call it. It was a gigantic bird flying over the woods where I grew up. Seen orbs and I don't know what they were, if they were fairies or if they were just light anomalies or what. But seen that flipping around in the trees and stuff growing up. No Bigfoot yet, unless where I grew up, if there actually was a bigfoot in the woods, like I've been thinking about considering all the stuff that kind of correlates with Bigfoot research. So who knows, I might have seen one. I just don't know it. You mentioned the thunderbird. I've actually I'm supposed to interview someone here recently, the solid thunderbird and the Bridgewater Triangle. Is it Kirstin at Kristin, I'm not sure, Okay what the name is? Uh, I'm very bad with names like it. When I get stuff schedule for I write it down in my zoom calendar or whatever. But like I don't, I don't know. Like I see emails, they don't have the person's name on it, so I always forget what the name is up until it's timing great for the interview. Oh that's funny. I'm gonna laugh if it is her, because I know it's it's a guy. Oh it is a guy. Okay. Yeah. I'm in a Bridgewater Triangle group on Facebook, and when when I was getting ready to when I was making the plans and stuff for places to check out, I joined that group and got lots of information, so I was like, oh my god, you know there's all these different places. So then when we were there, I posted in the group about what happened to us, and then her, me and the one girl we became really good friends. She's actually uh On one of the documentaries that's on YouTube, she was interviewed and she's her family saw literally a pterodactyl out there, So yeah, I thought that was interesting and like, oh wow, I don't think what I saw was a pterodactyl, but that's still really cool. I'd like to talk to her she actually saw a pterodactyl. Was That's something else that I've always been fascinated with. There's supposedly tarodactyls, and I forget where it's at I don't remember if it's New Guinea or what, but there's been recent sightings of what they still described to look like modernized terodactyls down that way. I was like, that's a I know it's down obviously in one of the island countries or whatever. I thought it was New Guinea. But I've seen vidnesia. Maybe I've seen videos recently and I can't help it's a bird or not, or a lot of them look lately cgi, so like, I don't believe that one's real, right, But no, he this guy said he'd saw a pretty big thunderbird in the Bridgewater triangle, so I think it's not like two weeks out before the interview. Oh wow, where'd you see yours at? I saw mine where I grew up actually, so Grant Park. It well, Grant Park area in the woods and stuff, because I remember being outside and playing it's Sonny out, and I saw like the whole area became like a shadow kind of and I thought that. I was like, what, it's Sonny out? Why why did my dark right now? And then I looked up and this huge, huge black bird was circle like going in a circle, but it was so big that you couldn't see the the shadow going in a circle on the ground. It took up so much the shadow of it took up so much space it was ridiculous. And then it just flew off in like I was probably like I don't know, eight or nine. But that's another memory that I do have, being outside playing in the grass with I don't know whatever, and then it's like when someone comes up from behind you and it just gets dark because their their shadow, you know, envelops you. It was like that, but it was like over ten feet or more around me just got dark out of nowhere. But yet I look up and the sun's out and then I look up up and then see this giant You could see the wings like, you know, the shape of a wing, So it wasn't just like it wasn't like a UFO or was it like a plane that did that. You could see the wings of it flapping and then it flew off. So I yeah, that's a random memory that I actually hadn't really talked about much. Was that an Illinois yep. I don't remember the year, but there was sightings of a big bird back and I think it was the seventies through the eighties. And I don't remember about the nineties and for exactly. You're right, Yeah, I forget where it was. I know this one of the stories i'd seen. It supposedly tried to pick up a boy. Yeah, and uh, it carried him off for like twenty something feet or whatever, then dropped him. Ever, and I don't I can't think of where it was. But I thought it was an Illinois this happened. I forget what. No, it wasn't Illinois. I read about that recently. Actually another thing about it. Oh, I can't remember what tone it was though, but yeah, I remember reading about that. I'll have to check the year and stuff too to see if it was this within the same time span. I know. Interesting, there's a and I forget what they're called. I remember during the Ice Age, I've seen photos or whatever. Obviously they had mammoths and they had samirtooth tiger. They also had big birds. Yeah, and I think they said the wingspans on them were like sixteen to eighteen feet shure Jesus. Yeah, So I've always wondered. I was like, I understand, like they say things died off this and that. Obviously there's no more dire wolves there's no more mammoths. Supposedly, there's no more of this than that. It's like you think, maybe there's still a couple offshoots of these birds flying around that people are seeing, and like that's where the stories where the thunderbirds came from with the Native Americans whatever they were, still like remnants of that species a bird. Yeah, well that's like there's also u petroglyphs that Native Americans have drawn where they're killing mammoths and stuff, and yeah, if you go by the certain archaeological timelines, that's impossible. But then why are there drawings of mammoths And it's clear that there are mammoths on that you know, it's the elephant with the big circular tusks that say that's a mammoth. So I wouldn't be shocked if they if they did see, you know, prehistoric birds too. There's still stories of people seeing mammoths in Siberia. Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, obviously, that part of the world is not really exclusive to us to know what's really going on there. We only hear bits and pieces of whatever they want to let us know. R I've heard that people have still seen Mammo seut in that area is like, I mean it's possible. I don't think it must have change since the ice age ups there, right, But well, we could probably wrap this up unless there's anything else you wanted to discuss. Oh no, I mean I think we covered a part a bit today. It went by really fast. Yeah, that's what a lot of people have told me. Like how long we've been on here is like over an hour? Like oh really yeap. So I was like, I guess that's a good thing that people are interested in talking and it doesn't seem like it's taken for ever and dragging it out right. Oh, Like I was saying, once you get me going with the stories, I'll just keep talking out Oh that's fine. The more we hear, the more interesting it becomes. I think there's a lot of stuff out there that people see and encounter that they can't explain. So I feel like a podcast like this someone takes a listen to and they're like, hey, I had that same type of experience. Maybe I'm not crazy. Yep, exactly, that's got That's kind of what got me talking about stuff now selfie. Yep, that's kind of why I do what I do just give a platform for everyone, and hope anyone listening they ever had an experience, they don't feel like they're the only one. Yep, hundred percent. Well, Jesse, it's been a pleasure. Appreciate it coming talk with me. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It was fun. Maybe one day I'll be on again and I will probably give you some recommendations for people to talk to. I appreciate that. Yeah, well you have a good night you too, Thank you, Capculator. Bye. Remember the truth, lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote, All night everyone,