Ep. 76: It Came Running Out of the Field

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon. Right to night's episode, We're going to be joined by Sean grim Shawn is the host of The Big grim Bowski podcast. His podcast is kind of similar to what I do here at Tenfoil Tells, But Shawn's reached out to me recently with a couple of encounters that he's had. 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But I'm known of Sean for the last right ten or fifteen years for band related stuff. Duude scene days. Yeah, those were better times. I feel like, at least back in those days, people actually cared about the music. I think nowadays it doesn't seem to be that way. No, and not at all. Who did you play with again, I'm trying to remember. I've been trying to remember. I keep forgetting I was into midas main. Yes, that's right to my dismay dea that bring dude, that brings back the fucking memories right there, dude, Like I was into that with wolves that are heels out of Cocomo for for quite a while too, and uh yeah, just oh me almost every show, dude, I'm pretty sure that I still have. Okay, So, like I remember the little clip on like band intrigue things that everybody would get before you'd play like a show, like uh oh man, I got some of those. Yeah, not the bracelets, but like the little plaque and they would say like band member and so like all the people like that, the door would like know that they just like let you on in. Yeah, dude, I might have to find that. I'm gonna take a picture of it. Said it too, because I know I have like three of those, and it says to my dismay on every single one. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I don't remember any of those, but we never had them when someone else made have them, But I don't remember ever happened if we did. News to me, it was all yeah, it was all Cocoa shows, though I remember it was at the vent Center there off of thirty one. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I know the guy that had done that was a Nate guy, so yeah, he might have had that on there, but again I don't we never did it. It was just like we're just playing a local show. Why the hell we need? These were not on tour or anything, right. I gotta say that one of those I'm pretty stoked to have because the headlighting band was Kubla Khan. Yeah, I don't think it was we played that one, so I don't remember ever playing with them. Okay, so that then maybe not. I know. The other two definitely were to my dismay, but yeah, they were just like, yeah, that Nate dude, I can't remember what his name was, Nate Turley. Yeah, that's it. Damn. I'm feeling well now it's been like fifteen years. Dude as absolutely has bro. Yeah, I know you uh. You reached out to me a while back, and I've been so booked up with doing two to three interviews a week. It's hard to get everything scheduled. Now. I got the other podcast going back on too, so it's trying to juggle with that. So it's hard to get things going. But here we are, right, But you've been killing it, dude, You've been killing it. And I got to say, like, you know, for the podcasting game, it's it's definitely not easy. You had you got to put so much work into it, and it's doun when you you want to make it real, real good, real professional sounding, like just you know, really good quality. Altogether, there's so much to it, and like there's such a learning curve, especially like when you start out and you really have no idea like kind of what you're doing. Because like I had no clue what the hell I was doing, and it took me a minute to really like the year it out and everything. But like now I'm kind of like to that to that point where I'm just like I'm Gucci now, like I got it down, I got you know, my rhythm, I know how doing it, I know how I edit everything, and you know, now it's all ill. And I remember like the first like seven episodes, eight episodes that I did, I was just like this, I don't know what I'm doing it. They Yeah, it was like number nine finally was like, okay, I'm getting my first guest on. I had the cool Conspiracy come on, which was pretty sick, and I ad out that my computer didn't you've been allow me to record through Zoom at all. So I was just like, what the heck? You know, I was so worked up and so pissed, and so they, luckily enough, they were nice enough, They're like, hey, we'll record it on our end, send you the audio file. Worries dude, I was like sick, and then like you after that igue thinking out and go from there. Yeah, I'm used to Zoom for work purposes, so I was already kind of familiar with it, and I've been trying out stream Yard here and there, but I don't really like the quality of the audio from stream Yard. It's strange, but like I can hear myself breathing and I can hear other people breathing, and for me, it's like an OCD thing. I was like, I don't want to hear myself breathing, and for some reason, I don't hear it on Zoom. So Zoom must like filter that out somehow, I don't know. And then I've also noticed that anybody who is going from between Zoom and stream Yard, because I went on deplorable Nation with the horrible Janet Year a couple of weeks back and she does everything on stream Yard, and when I went to go do it, like pretty much all my settings and stuff where they got completely screwed up on my computer, all my audio stuff. I had to go back in and rechange. Everything just has to be here for her to hear me. I don't know what it is, but stream Yard and Zoom they hate each other, absolutely hate each other for whatever reason. I sound like can make anyone that I record on Zoom sound somewhat decent. And then when I go to other people's shows and they have me on stream Yard, they always sound great, but I always sound like crap. So it's like I don't know because I don't adjust my settings on my end because everything sounds good on how I record myself. So I don't know what's going on with the few people that I went on their shows to In the use stream Yard, I always sound like shit. I'm like whatever, right, yeah, And then you got all the people, I mean, you get all conspiracy with it. The amount of people are just say, well, we're not going to use Zoom because they're gonna take over a voice. They're gonna use it for AI. Well, I embraced the Hey, I overlords anyways, I mean, it is what it is. They're gonna take over. They're gonna take over, right exactly. But no, what's the name of your podcast for anyone listening the Big Bombowski podcast. You can find that on Spotify pretty much everywhere besides Apple podcasts, just because I've been having issues with Apple Connect. I'm pretty sure it's just coming down to like an email thing to where if I if I try to log in with one email on it, it doesn't it works, but if I try to log in with a different email, it won't work, and it just it won't allow me to connect to anything. So it's big, a bit, huge pain in the ass. But I mean it's it's all there. Uh. There's also a Rumble account you can find like the videos and stuff. I'm slowly putting them up when I have the time too. I just I've been working so much that I just I haven't had the time to sit down and put everything up. So I've only got a move them on there for now, but they're there, you know, got a the tiktoks, the Insta, h x, all the different forms so far, just trying to stay social media friendly for everybody out there. But yeah, the Big Grimbowski Podcast and find me, y'all basically anywhere where you listen to Tenfoil tells you, guys can find Sean's podcast, the Big Grimbowski Podcast, and except for Apple, but I will include links in the show notes for anyone interested, as show was very similar to what I'm doing here, same type of topics and everything else. So if you guys are enjoying ten Foil tells to probably enjoy Sean's show. But you reached out to me, I think back in like, yeah, you said you had some weird, yeah, experience or whatever you want to talk about that. So I've had I've had several So, like, first of all, I've been a paranormal investigator for a long time. I was with a group in wabash Uh for for a while. We did that for several years. We kind of ended up disbanding after a while. I think just too many people's personal lives just kind of just got the way of being able to go out and do it, so like we kind of, you know, stopped doing that whatnot. I had some really crazy, strange encounters doing that stuff. But some of the shows that I've been coming on to tell some stories about is I had a counter here just outside of the Fountain, Indiana, which that's where I currently live, and it was over at the eighteen twelve battle ground. At the time, I wasn't really too sure as to what I was seeing, but I later on ended up finding finding it out me and so I'll just I'll just I'm just gonna jump right into it because it's just like it's one of those stories like I can't like, you know, like tiptoo around it without just like going into it. So I'm just gonna I'm gonna tell you that battle ground I've mentioned a couple of times on here before because we talked about have a couple episodes. We talked about punk Wedgies, and when I was in school, people called the battle ground where they did the reenactment everything hobbit Land yep, because people had seen like little small humanoids running around out there and everything, so they called them hobbits. And then now I've found out more into the lore dig it into shit, and it seems they fall more into the whole puck wedgie thing rather than hobbit. Okay, I don't think I've ever heard of that term. If you could just give me a quick little rundown on what one of those is. They're basically small, little and I don't know if there's spirits themselves, but they are small, mischievous little things that could be spirits, that could be fae or small humanoid type creatures. And there is a they're more prevalent up in like the Bridgewater Triangle area, like the huck A Buck Swamp and stuff like that. There's an episode. By the time this airs, the episode will already be out, but as we're talking, I think it comes out next Tuesday, So there'll be an episode out there about little I think it's called buck Weudgies of the Bridgewater Triangle actually, but no, guy, yeah, that out. The guy that I interviewed talked quite a bit about him, so dude, hell yeah. So the thing that I saw out there wasn't small by any means. And so I was. I was sixteen years old. I was going out. I had a little, uh my seven Chevy S ten short bed. I couldn't really fit a whole lot in there, but you bet I packed about six or seven friends and that thing. We all got flashlights and stuff, and we went out to hobbed land. We went in through the back way where most people who are leaving the re enactment, well that's where they lead through. And there's that little bridge over there that everybody calls the Hobbit Bridge. So like we were coming across the hot bridge first, and you know, that's a that's a pretty you know, straight away gravel row trees on both sides, and it's definitely one of those roads, you know, very similar if you're going out to Okey Pinocchi, where once you start getting there, it's like the trees and stuff kind of start getting closer and closer to you, and it just seems like everything's getting you know, more more more closer in and you're just like, this is mans for something. So we were walking, you are not walking. We were driving and it was just me and and my other buddy in at the cab at the truck, and we were probably we were doing like engine idle dude, Like we were coasting, like I didn't even have my foot on the gas, Like we're just kind of looking around, you know, because that's what we did. You go out there and get scared. There's some stuff. Once you were able to drive, there's that, you know, old UH schoolhouse that has the cemetery behind it. I've had weird experiences out there. I mean, I've just had so many strange things happen just in that place alone. So it's funny that once I started podcasting and I started talking about this to a lot of people, I actually was on a podcast and you can go to my show and you can find it. It's one of the more recent ones that I had done. It's in the UH one of the episode twenty somethings or another. But UH, I actually was doing it in the in the car because I had my uh I had my kids with me and stuff, and they were in bed and everything. So I was like, well, I'm only five minutes away, guys, if like you, I can go to this location, and like I can, I can literally show you you guys, like midpod what where I was what I was talking about, like when this thing happened. And that's why I did. I drove right over there real quick because I was sitting in the car because I couldn't be beyond my you know, in the studio because my uh it doubles as my son's bedroom. And I'm out there and I'm showing thinking like it was it was awesome. But I'm going down this road and about sixty to seventy yards out in front of me, I see this very very tall human way that steps out from the right hand side and takes one step and is now in the center of the road, turns towards us, looks down at us, and then turns right back and steps into the woods again. And I need freaked out and I'm just like, dude, what was that? Dude? What was that? And my buddy's like I did what what? Well? I didn't see anything, man, I did what did you see? And I'm freaking out. I'm like, well, my window up and everything because this thing was at more tall and I'm talking like at least eight feet a feet tall at least, And I knew that there was some things off about this that just was just kind of like you know, the Uncanny Valley, Like you know that there is something extremely wrong with this situation. So the height being one thing, but then another thing was that they were noticing and clothing and you know, yeah, people go out there, they fish and stuff at night, this and that, but like there was nobody. We were alone out there, and there's like there's not houses that are in walking distance. There were especially in that part of eighteen twelve that that you could you could get to. So there was no trucks, there was no cars, like nothing, No one was out there. But this thing was a solid shade of brown. No clothing. There was then like facial feature wise, I could be like, oh, yeah, that's just a dude. That's a regular ES dude, Like no, huh. There was nothing, and it was so lanky and kind of like it was like skinny too, and I just I didn't know what I saw and it freaked me out of everything. I didn't tell anybody besides my buddy Shade that was in the car with me, and so we end up leaving and we were gone. And that was the only time I had this experience out there, and it probably wasn't until about nine nine to ten years later when I'm in the paranormal investing group. We would do these events called Dining Ghosts. You could buy a ticket and we would you know, meet up at a location where that they're at a boarded activity and you would get to go on a paranoral investigation with us and see like how how that works, you know, and just just like the TV shows ghost Hunters and you know, ghost Adventures and all that, all that stuff, you know, pulling out your k two meters and setting X cameras and all the jazz. So like, yeah, it was a super fun time. But we had cater meals and we would also have somebody come in and talk. And so we had a local historian from Wabash come in and do a spiel and his name was Ron what used to be a teacher? I think you his eature in fact or uh Wabash High School back in the day. Like I'm pretty sure, like you know, my my parents remember him being that being a teacher. I know, like a lot of my friends his parents definitely remember him being a teacher. Like and awesome thing is, dude is still around and everything. He's still kicking it, and I hope that to get him on the show and we can actually sit down and talk about some of these different kinds of local lores and stuff, because this dude is so knowledgeable. And so he's doing his spiel and he's talking about different days around like the counties and stuff, and then he starts bringing up Bigfoot and he was like, surprisingly enough, there have been tons of bigfoot sightings in this area for years, and you can you can look it up. You can even you know, find out the old like records and stuff where people are back as far as like the sixties and seventies were supporting bigfoot sightings out there along the river and stuff. And at that point I was like, holy crap, I had a big foot site. What I saw was it was was bigfoot. I didn't think about that, you know when I first saw it. It saw this thing like that wasn't going through my head like you just saw bigfoot, bro, Like no, huhuh. So now I'm just like, you know, having this information, realizing what it was, everything made so much more sense at that point in time, and I'm just like whoa. And since then, I started, you know, looking into these different stories a bigfoot site. Adding it's a lot of people between the Missis Cinema Reservoir, ian the Salamony Reservoir who have had these very very similar bigfoot sightings where they would see this. There would always be that very very pungent smell that comes with it. This you know smells just absolutely gross. People having things objects thrown at their tents, you know, I think that there's even a report where something that came up and like was like grabbed their tit and like we started like shaking it real bad. Uh. Just all these crazy things and I'm just like, okay, all right, so we got this going here. Now we have all these different kinds of paranaloral things going on out here. Oh you know, the ladies said, we get the hobbits, and you know whether or not these are spirits or faith folks or whatever they are, you know, out there. And it makes sense that you would have so much activity going on in the location such as this where you had so much loss of life and so many people who were who were killed and battle and stuff and all that residy stuff you know that's still there that hasn't gone anywhere. I mean, we we know that from you know, going to school and science. Energy can't be created or destroyed. It can only be transferred between one thing to another. So it's there and it's you know, this is going to cause me manifestations. And I know there's a lot of people who believe that the you know, the Bigfoot, you know, it has that capability to kind of between you know, dimensions or frequencies or or however you want to look at it. So I'm just like completely blown away by this, and I love talking about it with people, and I really would like to talk to other people who have had the similar experiences from this area, just to just to see, like, you know, what the general consensus was, what everybody else kind of thing. So that was like a big thing that happened to me at the age of sixteen. You know. Also at the age of sixteen, I saw a full body apparition in my bedroom and you know, that was a pretty crazy, crazy things as well. So it's just like there's so many things going on, man, and it's like like what what causes? It's like what what's you know, what what's your thoughts on? Like what's your bigfoot thoughts brought? When it comes to Bigfoot, I've thought it's strange anymore. I remember back in like the nineties and obviously it was still a joke to most people, but bigfoot was just a wild animal and undiscovered primate. It was just some monkey man running out in the woods and that was it. Well, now here we are in twenty twenty four, and there's a lot more wou side to bigfoot than what there used to be. There's still a die hard Oh it's just an undiscovered ape. But there's also a lot of reports that if it's an ape, it's a very strange ape because even less drought survivor man has talked about how this thing has talked to him telepathically, like I don't know of any apes to communicate using mind speak is what they call it. And then you chase footprints and then they just stop. They vanish. I recently talked to someone says that's because they think they jump up into the trees. That's plausible. I guess if they're a primate, I guess they could jump up there. But if it's a ten foot tall, eight hundred pound monkey, man, you're gonna hear it go up in a tree. You would think it's gonna be a pretty strong tree, right, or at least be able to see it. I mean, regardless of how high the tree is, you're gonna be able to see if there's a big blob up in that tree. Yeah, and then people report seeing orbs and the UFOs and the whole interdimensional aspect anymore, Like the interdimensional thing is new towards this whole phenomena, not just with Bigfoot, but anything in general anymore that seems to be like a cryptid or spirit realms to anything like people are saying that, And I actually do kind of lean this play spirit wise, if you have a spirit and they're not from here. I've often wondered maybe the things that people are saying are hauntings, like they see people, they see these shadow people. Maybe they're from a different dimension that we can't fully see, and they're somehow bleeding into ours. To mean, that would make sense because I'm pretty sure Einstein discovered or mathematically they say that there's what nine to ten dimensions supposedly, I know, yes, the mathematics works it out tho way, So what if something is from a different dimension bleeding into ours? I mean, who knows, just one of my theories and don't mean anything, but when it comes to Bigfoot or a dog man or any type of weird things. And even within the last couple of weeks, inter dimensions really being pushed because of the whole UFO UAP thing, like Congress was calling them inter dimensional. Like I forget what the lady's name is, but she's one of the ones pushing for this disclosure thing. She mentioned interdimensional. So it's kind of strange that this term is now being pushed out there for some reason. But right clearly people are seeing something. I'm trying to think of this. Uh, this other guy, he's based out of Louisiana. I always mix up whether his first name is Steve or Scott, and his last name is Pace. And he started going out to you know, the Bayou pretty much, and he's stumbled across Bigfoot and the thing is, and I'm so glad that you said Dogban because that's what kind of you know, reminded me of all this. So he has been having these experiences with not only Bigfoot, but dog Made as well, and he has been communicating with them telepathically, the saying like you had just stated, and he's getting lots of lots of response, and like he's going on podcasts and kind of telling these things and like this dude is super Christian and this and that, and like he started going out and started singing hymns, you know, like you would in church. And when he started doing that, he started getting me, you know, responses and stuff in the woods. And that's when he started getting these telepathic messages say you know, stating to him like, yes, I'm in Bigfoot and you know here, but also dog Man is here with me as well. And he doesn't get a good feeling about the dog men. He believes that they they're kind of more on the you know, not so good, the more on the fairyous side of things. But they also are a little bit more subservient to the Bigfoot. So like if Bookfoot says, you know, you're going to leave these dudes a lot of out in the woods, then it's going to leave you alone. But if they're not Bigfoot around, dog Man might actually try to mess with you and you know, try to either scare you, chase you, whatever it is. And he's like, I don't I don't get good I don't get good vibes around. I don't get good vibes one like he's there. But as long as you know the the Bigfoot that I that I have been talking talking to, well or might feel safe. And he was also kind of stating that because they are interdimensional, they are around us more often than what we know. And he was told by them that they bring their offspring two or homes let them live inside of our houses and stuff and invisible to us obviously, and they stay out of the way, you know, where if one was in the hallway and we're walking in the hallway, they're not going to stay in the hallway. They're going to move out of the way as to to not be detected. But supposedly this is to for them to be able to see how's act and are able to basically learn from us how to how to avoid us and how to be away, you know, to stay away from us because of how we as humans act overall. And I mean most of us can can't agree that most humans are always the best of people, and not everybody is kind hearted and loving towards other other things, especially stuff that we don't understand. I mean, I feel like, you know, that same thing kind of ties in with aliens stuff as well. Like you know, if those are if those are real, they probably don't want to come down and try to have a conversation with us over anything, because if that conversation with us, most people are going to freak out because this is in front of and what do what do we you know, do to most things that we don't understand, We try to destroy. That's just that's how our nature is. We know, we try to just you know, completely obliterate what we're afraid of, and so they're able to be in our homes and you know, learn from it that way. So I think that that's pretty a pretty interesting topic to to think about as well. I think there's all sorts of things that we can't see with our naked eye, because obviously we only see a certain color spectrum. Right, Even with ghost unting, they use full spectrum cameras sometimes and you pick up things that you can't see, like we can't see it, but there's things there. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure about dog Man or Bigfoot or whatever living in houses with you, But I do believe there are energies, some negative, some maybe not negative, but not so much great, like neutral energies that are floating around. And yeah, I don't know if there's anything we can and can't do about it, because again, half the time, no one even knows about it. So I can see it being implausible that something like that's possible, because maybe things like that when people are think they're seeing hauntings or seeing things like that. Again, like what I mentioned earlier, like maybe it's something else. Maybe it's right. These creatures are a different dimentioned who knows. And I have a perfect example of that. So in my general group, we had a investigation in a small town. I don't name town usually just because the fact that the people who do own this building do not like to advertise that there are strange things that go on in this this building. But it is the only three story building in this town. And it again it's a very very small town. Unit's not far from us. I'll tell you what one off pot. But we were recording and we had a camera set up in this room and it was running on Infra red because we were in the dark, and obviously you're not going to be able to see if it was you know, regular cameras, so it had to be IR And we recorded all through the night, didn't really catch anything. And then right and probably within I want to say, we were man. I mean, we were probably two minutes before hitting the stop button when we had caught on camera this light knom that obviously it was any of us. This was up on the third floor. We were all down on the round level at this time, tearing down everything else, and it was this was like in review when we were able to find it. So there was a fight. Okay, So first of all, the camera. The camera, like I said, it is kind of in like a closet kind of room. It's very very big, it's very long. We had it at one end of the court and it was pointed to where you could see through the door into the hallway and the outside of it that goes into this ballroom. And this light nomally was about the size of a football maybe bigger, extremely bright, and it shot down the hallway and once it got to the it did a ninety degree turn to the right, and then a few seconds later it comes into frame and another ninety degrees and then back down the hallway again. So while we were sitting there at this at the Doest investigation, we were seeing a lot of shadow people kind of off to the the sides of rooms, not wanting to come close to us. And from our understanding from other investigators and groups that had been there over the years, there was a really big group that was based out of I think Indianapolis or something, I can't remember what their names were. They had like a van where it was lights and like the whole nine Arts like they were pretty big during that time frame that was like eleven years ago. I really wish I could be what their names were. But they went there quite often, so they had a lot of you know, they would always get things happen name there. But we were a newer group and have so we believed that they just they didn't want to really interact with us because they didn't know who we were, which is honestly not uncommon when you're investigating different places, especially like if you continuously investigate the same places over and over and over again, whatever is there starts getting familiar with you and it's more likely to interact. So we were all just kind of, like, you know, completely dumbfounded on what this was. There was nothing else that could have caused it. We tried to debunk it several different ways. We couldn't. We thought at first maybe it had something to do with, you know, maybe a light from a car driving past. But you know, when you start watching it the video from earlier, you watched several cars drive past and none of them created this light, and none at all, and like I said, this thing was moving, moving revealed So we slowed it down A thirty two phrase per second, and at that point in time, it it was only on three frames out of thirty two, so that was pretty quick. And we're like, okay, that's that's strange. Let's drop it down even further. So we drop it down to sixty four phrase per second, and again we only caught this on three frames out of sixty four. And that right there just says that this thing was moving at an incredible rate of speed. Wait to walk about. And again, like I said, there's not anything that we could come up with that would explain why this light and on happened, but it was there. We couldn't see it with our own eyes, and I guarantee if we would have been sitting up there, we probably wouldn't have even seen it with our own eyes. And since the fact that we were using I are and it was able to get it, was able to catch it. So yeah, there's there's all these different you know, light spectrums that we as humans just can't see. So if there are spectrums of life that we can't see, why wouldn't there be other types of dimensions in all these other different frame things. That now is just it's really coming big and it's really in the live light and honestly, I kind of feel like, you know, when we were growing up, like in the in the nineties and stuff, like the people who did have these encounters, they didn't talk about it. Everybody was too scared to talk about that kind of stuff because like it made people think but they're they're crazy, like you know, they're just they're off their rock. They you know, they do a lot of drugs. You know, they're they're just taking as ad all the time. They're just seeing weird stuff, you know, whatever it is. It's like, I don't think that that was ever ever the case, but now we're just kind of more open to it. And I think that maybe it's just because like our generation and is kind of hearing all these things for so long, it's been like so curious that now we're like, well, we're going to find out what this stuff is for ourselves. And since we're finding out for ourselves what it is and we're starting to discover it more, that we're going to talking about it and being like, yeah, there's something up here. We do we know what it is, No, but there's something clearly going on, you know what I'm saying. I think like when you mentioned the nineties and everything else that stigma. I think the stigma is fading because of social media. More people are able to communicate more than we could, obviously, and growing up in the nineties and early two thousands, there wasn't there wasn't the way of actually getting it out there. Obviously, with the rise of the Internet and obviously people on Facebook and whatever else, it's made it a lot easier for people to communicate and find others that have had a sort of the stigma slowly start to fade. But no, I agree, back in those days, anyone that brought up anything was crazy. I never even talked about what happened to me because of that exact reason. Because you go tell someone he's seeing a upright walking dog, they're gonna think you're a freaking lunatic, right exactly exact. And I and I think that when we were talking, we also, uh share a type of sighting of something that was very very similar, also in a very very similar location relevant to the you know, we're just you know, one county over Miami. I'm in Bergo and Wabash, and we both have seen something that is that's very very similar. And I remember you know, telling you about like the morning that it had happened, I saw my way to work, and it was seeing that that thing that had ran out from the side of the road that was just very It had a very sporadic movement and was kind of like a running, wacky, wavy, inflatable arm flailing tube. Man. Yeah, And every every morning since I had this hap, I literally I look for it every single day. I look at the location. I've been judging the distance, how far it had traveled, the terrain around, and none of it makes any sense to me, dude, it makes no sense whatsoever. Because the area from where I first saw this thing to where I last saw this thing was well, it was. I mean, it was probably close to like an eighty yard jump, and it would have had to cross a creek with a bunch of overgrowth on both sides of the creek. And it's not like it was like a shallow creek. It is kind of like a deep, like ravine kind of creek too, so it's not like you would have just been able to walk through it and stuff. And then when I got close enough to it when I was driving, it all just phased out from my eyes. It just, you know, it just completely went away, and I dude, I've been racking my brain around this since then, and I do still I still don't know. And that's like one of the things I've been super looking to talking to you about is what you were overall thoughts on what this thing is. If it's anything like what I saw how you described, but the same wavy, wacky arm tube man thing, it looked very glitchy, as in, it didn't look like it was from here, like it almost looked I don't want to say pixelated or anything like that, because obviously what I saw was more like a big thick an actual shadow, but it wasn't a shadow like it was a thing. Some people think it was bigfoot. I don't know what it was, but to me, the movement of it did not seem natural. So the way you're describing, if it's similar to that, I almost feel like it's something phasing in and out, if that makes any sense, Like something that's not all the way into our world, like it's trying to disfest itself like. So again, if it's interdimensional, maybe it's something or only seeing glimpses of it as it's trying to enter our world or whatever, just passing through. Like, I don't know how to describe it, other than the fact that it doesn't look natural, like it doesn't look like it should be here. No, very very similar to, uh, if you're playing a video game online and you have really terrible internet and everything starts lagging, and like you kind of just like you see like the characters in front of you just kind of pause for a second, but then all of a sudden that you rapidly speed up. M hm, yeah, just it was like that, and it was just like again, a very solid color. I think when the first time I saw it come out from the side, it was more of like a black, kind of a very very dark color. And the thing was, I wasn't the only person on the road when I saw this, Like, there was another vehicle coming towards me and I, you know, I I wish I would have stopped that person just to ask them if they had saw that too, because after I saw it run up to the road, you know, just flailing around everything, they had immediately started back. And then just a few moments later it was even closer to me, still on my side of the road, and again from the side it ran out and yeah, I looked at where was at this point, and then just that was probably a good fifty yard difference from those two locations, and again black, you kind of like a black mass looking thing. And then it went back in. And then once this orange jeep passed, it came out for a third time, but now a more of a gray color and not so much black. And once it got to the road, it started running down the road towards my direction just after this bat jeep past beat and I'm like, dude, what that And I see it running and I see it running and I see it slow down in front of these people's house, and I'm like, okay, well I'm gonna be able to see what this is now because I'm getting real real close on it. And yeah, as I started coming in it just I just watched it just it turn completely phased out. So like, if that is another example of something that's you know, being inter dimensional, it really makes you wonder what what that is and what's what's causing it to now form benifest into our plane of existence, because you know, what, what what are we hear? You know, is this some type of parallel uh you know, universe plane whatever? That just so happens to coincide on the same physical plane just you know, again like a another light spectrum that we just can't see. But then what's causing it to then come out? And I know, like a lot of paranormal investigators always talk about, you know, the veil and how you know, during during certain times of the of the year, the veil kind of gets thinner, causing uh, you know, ghosts and spirits of what not to be able to manifest more. And I know I've been hearing a lot, like especially over the last year or two, that the veil is you know, a lot thinner now than it ever has been, and maybe that is a possible reason as to why these things are now happening more often. I don't know the whole veil thing. What is the veil? Like, I know the term I'm saying, Like when people say that, I've always wondered, like, so what is the veil? Like, it doesn't make any sense to me as inn like, oh, there has to be something if it's the veil's getting thinner. So what they're describing is there's like some sort of energy that hides another plane of existence. So I don't when someone says that term. It's just it's more mind boggling for me to try and comprehend, like a rational explanation of how to explain what a veil would be, my thought process would be. When something like this is happening, there's more of a conspiracy going around of why we are experiencing more activity, and a lot of that has to do with cern and some other things. They think that they've unlocked some sort of like doorway allowing these different energies and different beings and whatever to come flow through here because it's something they've done, like the Mendela effects that people experience and all sorts of things like we've changed something. I don't know if I buy into that, but that's what people are claiming why things seem more weirder now than what they used to because things have been different, like when you go down the whole Mendela effect. It's kind of it's completely off topic, but like, there are specific things that I remember that aren't what I remember supposedly, one of them being the fruit of the loom thing. I know for a fact my underwear as a kid used to have those little fucking cornice is on there and that's and they're saying that those things didn't exist. Like there's photos of people that like drew things this and that from like they had it, but that it never existed. It's like someone's going back and changing small, little, pointless little things of history. So what reset the clock? Like, what reset that? What has opened up to the things that are different from what people are remembering? And I know people explain away the Mendela effect, but there are a lot of things that you can't explain, like the monocle for the Monopoly guy. Yep, the one thing that I can relate to. They're like, oh, you can't find a monicle for monopoly. Do you remember the movie A'svententurre when nature calls, Yes, when he punches that guy, the guy has a monocle and he's like, oh, you must be the Monopoly guy and he picks him up, throws over. Yes, why would they have a monocle on that guy if it didn't have one either? So why would a movie make a reference to monopoly if it didn't have a monocle on his eyeball either? So right, exactly, dude, exactly, Yeah, there's there. That's a whole entire route in itself for sure, and like I mean, yeah, you can jump into cern all the different things that's going on. I mean we you know, uh, last year, I think it was, Yeah, we had that thing where the Shuman residents all of a sudden just kind of went haywire and created this double helix that so many people were completely floored by that, you know, and like the different the spiritual people and stuff that that I you know, talk to and stuff. They think, you know that there was uh yeah, that that's that wasn't supposed to be been seen. And you know, there's a lot of people I talked to that also kind of think that, you know, maybe we live in this type of matrix and that this isn't necessarily our true reality in that a lot of things are are changed visually for us, in that you know, somehow, some way, there was this slip up that caused this to happen, or might even been the opposite way around, Like, uh, normally it's spilled, like the double helix and everything, but for whatever reason, something is always causing it to look the way it normally looks if you were to go and check out the Shuman residence. But yeah, dude, oh, the whole entire rapper. Like dude. I remember like my oldest daughter's mom, like they have like a horse and I growing up, and like I remember at one point in time her saying that, you know that the horse had finally died and this and that, and I'm like, you know, oh dang, like that's that's crazy, Like yeah, I like, how do you guys have a horse? You know, like what do you what do you do like with your you know, you own horses and one of them dies because you know, it's because it's such a big animal and everything. And it wasn't too long ago when my my daughter was just like, oh, yeah, the horse is still around and this, and then I was like wait what. I was like, I remember that thing dying and now you're trying to tell me it seems still a lot till, you know, running around kitkin and stuff like no, there that No, I clearly remember that because like I made a joke about I was like, well, you know, at least you guys will have a bunch of horse meat now and this and that, just joking like obviously they're not going to do that, but you know, it was still kind of like a funny choke, and you know I made the joke and for it to to now just like, yeah, that was never a thing that didn't happen. I'm calling I'm calling BS on that, bro. I remember seeing a commercial for that Sinbad movie that doesn't exist. Yeah, I remember as a kid, like i've honestly before I've ever even heard about the Bendela effect. I've actually thought about that before too, Like I remember I was watching like TV or cartoons or whatever, and like this commercial came on for Shazam or whatever it was called, and yeah it was Shazam. Sindbad had like a the nineties high top haircut, and he was wearing almost looked like a tracksuit, and he was walking down this road was dark, and he was walking with another guy, and his track suit was like gold and shiny looking, and I remember he was supposed to be like a genie. And I remember the commercial for it, like it was supposed to be coming out or whatever. I never saw the movie, but I remember seeing the commercial. And for some reason within the last like ten years, when they start talking about Medela effects stuff, I was like, what so I've got online? Like that doesn't exist. I remember seeing a commercial about it. It's just it's random stuff, Like how would I have a memory of seeing something that never existed? Like right, exactly, it's weird. So I don't like, I said, I don't know if it's almost a yet you're a good go said, I don't know if it's like a butterfly effect thing like for something has happened, and maybe that one little incident like they came back tried to fix something, and it's starting to like offshoot random little things here and there, like I don't know how to describe it, Like they came back and they ran over a bug. Black bug ended up having some sort of disease. I was supposed to kill this person, and well didn't kill that person. So now things have changed, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I've never thought about it that way, but that is an extreme the interesting thought. Uh, you know, I don't know why I've never even thought about it that way, but I mean that would kind of you know, if you were going with the butterfly effect, that that would make a lot of sense with things. And you know something else that was kind of you know, pondering in my head not too long ago. It was like all these ancient civilizations that had depicted different types of aliens, ufo stuff like that. What if these things, these beings that they were seeing that that came down and stuff. What if that wasn't aliens. What if that was us from the future that have figured out how to, you know, travel backwards through time. And now we at some point decided, well, we're going to go back to the days to Mesopotamia, you know, the Egyptians and the Aztecs and the said all these things. So we're going to come in and we're going to try to give them this advanced advanced knowledge then so we can, you know, have all this technology now in all this stuff that's now going on. So it's like that came to my head the other night and I was like, dude, I'm not gonna be able to go to sleep after this one. I'm like, I'll be thinking about this crap way too hard anymore. I don't even try and figure it out because I don't think we're ever going to find out the true answers. That's that's the downfall. I feel like when you do a show like this, because you want to seek the answers, you want to find out the truth. But the truth of the matter is I don't think we're ever going to find out the whole truth. And that sucks. A dude, You're absolutely right on that. Like not to be discouraging or disheartening to anyone out there that listens, but like I know, that's what we all listen for. We like to be entertained. We like to think about the unexplainable. But that's the reason it's unexplainable is because no one has the answers and it's hard for anyone to comprehend a lot of the stuff that goes on to come up with a definitive answer. And I don't think we're supposed to know all the answers, so right, it becomes a scourging Yeah, kind of like that uh here recently where there was that that that guy that said that he saw like a bigfoot or whatever come out of a rock door or was that over like Oregon or something like that, Like the it wasn't like a portal. Was there's like an actual rock face that sits on the side of this this mountain and it was it's all over TikTok where a bunch of people like knew where the location was after seeing it, and a bunch of people were going there and tried to figure out if like this rock face actually did inge inward to where it would open up, because the report was that this guy saw bigfoot open this kind of rock door and then it went inside this cave and then closed the door behind them. That there was a people and you know and all that jazz. I think there was like a few people that went out there later on with some drones and you know, tried to fly the drones around and stuff. Like. It was like for a hot minute, they're all over social media, and then that just kind of fell off, and I haven't really seen in or heard anything about that, but it was just like, yeah, it got so big. Everybody wanted to find answers. So many people were out there, and like it started again to the point where the people that were posting videos about this location, you know, while they're recording, you can see that there are so many other people who were also there trying to conclude the same thing, trying to find these answers. And again, yeah, we probably will never ever get them beyond like the right track of things and maybe have some pretty good solid assumptions on how you know some of this stuff works, and who knows, you know, there could be one of us out there who was completely right how it works. But again, we had no way that we could we could prove it, or at least to our knowledge. Now that's not saying that there is any government entities that you know, have been able to figure something out that we don't. You know, again goes back to stuff that they're doing. You know, it wasn't until sern Key around that we even discovered the Higgs bosum part. Yeah, and that's where I kind of go back to with this whole interdimensional thing. I believe it was the nineties and someone had called in to Coast to Coast and they talked. I don't remember if it was faked or whatever came about, but I remember hearing the recording. It was. I think there's a band that has that as like one of the last songs on their thing. I think it's Within Destruction. They have that call about them not being aliens. They're not what they said they were their interdimensional beans and yep, art Art what was his name, art or another, Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. There was a there was a few metal bands back in our era that they used that that sound that sound clip, and I remember one of them because I remember it was I had the album that it was on, and I played it quite often, and I always remember when that song came on, just like listening to that, it was just it's so creepy, and it's just like if it was faked, okay, but like sometimes you can just kind of you know, to me, it sounded like that man had lichit in his voice, like he was straight up scared of what he saw. And I mean, shit, and you can talk, you know about bobbles are all that long stuff that he came out and started, you know, telling everybody and this and that, And I think that his ass got got super scared because I think that he realized that the stuff that he was saying was going to cause him to get merged real quick. So he was like, well, I need to go real public with this and come out so people can see my face. So if something does happen all of a sudden, I drop off the face or of the earth, or you know, all the knives somehow on myself. That's not that's not me. I didn't I didn't do that, and you know, it's it just yeah, it makes you wonder what's going on behind and seeing so we don't we don't know about And then you know, we got all this crap going down into Arctica and that dude that was all over the dad and stuff that was talking about the things that he had seen, like he down there these ice totrino detectors, Like I had to look up like what the heck a newtrino detector even was? And I'm just like it's still I'm just kind of like, you know, this is this is all weird stuff. Yeah, there's there's stuff there, man, like there will never know what it is. And unless you have some type of clearance to two things be way beyond everybody else's pay grade, that you'll probably never know any of the answers. And that truly does that's suing. I don't think there's anyone out there that has all the answers in general. I think they might have some, but I still think that, uh, we're gonna be left in the dark. I don't think everyone has a real grasp of what's going on. I know, the governments of the world and their powers, there's all sorts of extra inform that they hide from everybody. But I don't think they have all of the truth. I think they have what they want obviously, Bob Lazar, I've always thought he was being honest. I know he gets discredited a lot, but here's the thing that most people don't want to accept, Like, oh, he has no records of anything, that's convenient, they erased everything. So he says, they didn't erase the newspaper clip him of where he made the rocket on his vehicle, Right, that was the one thing from a local newspaper that didn't get a rased. So kind of proves that the dude knew how to build rockets, and it had his name and where he was from, like from I think it was exactly that never gets brought up. I don't know if that's like something that people just tend to overlook or but how would he why would he be on that. I don't know if it's I don't remember if it was Low Salamos or wherever the hell he built the rocket at, But he built the rocket for his vehicle in his garage, dude in his grap and even today, like he still works as a chemist, like I'm pretty sure how it works in pharmacy and stuff like that too, So obviously he knows what he's doing. Yeah, he has a lab. Uh. Yeah, I would say what is that? Was that Arizona or Nevada or whatever was? Yeah, because there was a I believe it was on Netflix, uh, a documentary that a guy made and had interviewed Bob and like was talking about different things, and like one of them was that, uh, he supposedly stole a type of element element. Yeah, and it's not like even on the periodic table or anything, and that one that's pretty crazy. And it's like, you know, while he's you know, filming that with this guy and they, you know, they're talking about that, then all of a sudden, FBI shows up to his lab and reads his lab and stuff, and it's like, now that that I proved that it does exist too. And in the last like so many years, element one fifteen, everything Bob said in the eighties is now an existing element, which is kind of convenient. Really I have heard that. Yeah, it just further proves to me that Bob was being honest about it because element one fifteen is now an existing element, and the the way things went down with Bob, and I'm pretty sure there was a phone book out there that still had like a number for him to prove that he lived out there. So oh day, there's just little bits and pieces that people have had that they can prove that he at least did exist, Like he's not some just fake guy that come out here and made up these stories to become famous. Like he legitimately did build a rocket on his car. Now the stuff that he says happened to him and the stuff that he saw will never know. Oh if that's true or not. I don't see why he would make it up, Like he' never gained anything financially for it, Like he didn't go off into these conventions and talk all the time about like he became pretty like reclusive if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, what was the point of saying any of that if he had to go and like ruin his life? Why did they ruin his life? Why did delete everything if it wasn't true? You know what I mean? Right? You know completely? You know cut out that he got a college education, that you went to whatever college that it was, he studied all these things. Yeah, they went as far as like having like the professors and stuff like, Oh, I don't ever remember him being year. I never saw him here one single time. And yeah, it's like, why why go soll are into, you know, hiding these things and trying to erase all this to discredit somebody if you're if you're going to go as far as something like that to discredit somebody that didn't clearly what they know is something that is credible and that you know, and that right there. And it's like, so I have a relative that retired from NASA, and I wanted him to come on the show because like I wanted to, you know, pick his brain about different things because he had started off as a meteorologist and he goes from being a meteorologist to be a rocket engineer. And it wasn't until here recently, I mean obviously since I started doing the show that I'm just like, hold on a second, how do you jump from being a meteorologist to a rocket scientist? Like how pretty big difference? That's the huge difference. Like And the thing is just like I even went as far as, you know, doing a little Google search like on him, and you know, I'm finding stuff that his name is on, uh, doing different types of experiments and in these different locations across uh, you know, the the globe. And then like what's even funnier is some of these locations are well known for having strange activity going on stilly in the sky, you know, Mount Shasta being one of them. Anyone who you know has ever done any type of deep dive onto the stuff that happens at Mount Shasta, Missing War one one, stuff like that. All these people look on missing out there very very strangely. And but yet he was doing weather experiments out there over the over the years, and then all of a sudden he's now a RACKUS scientist and he retired from there being a rock lineist. And like, you know, when I asked him to come on the show and stuff, he straight up told me, he was like, I can't. I can't. I had I know too much sensitive information. I cannot do it. And you know, I wish you the best of luck, blah blah blah, but I'm just like, what what do you what sensitive information? Like? Okay, either a you know of technology that we don't know about which could be highly plausible, or there's other things otherworldly that you are you know, privy to that information and you can't speak about that. So another thing he kind of made a little hint to because my mom and by actually both my parents they're really big into different like this. They were watching the some of the Skinwalker rage and my mom was like, hey, I got a question, were you what what what do you think this is about? And she was talking to him about the Uh. There was the one episode where they were kind of like on the rock ridge line there and they were in like maybe kind of like a I wouldn't say like a cave, but kind of like a little alcove kind of deal. But they were getting these strang enjetic spikes coming from these different rocks and stuff, and you know, she was like, what do you think that is? And he goes, well, I can't tell you what it is, but I can't tell you we know what it is. And that was all there. And these guys are out there trying to, you know, desperately figure out why these rocks and the stones and stuff are producing these I believe it's like electromagnetic fields and whatnot. And I mean, I'm I'm somebody that's really big into crystals and and things like that, and like, you know, I'm a pretty spiritual person and I like the you know, all the wu wu stuff, and like I know from the things that I do personally that there is something to it. There is energetic fields that do exist, uh that we can't we can't see, and I can't explain why they why they happen. But like I'm a server in here, and you know, if you don't know what reiki is, it's essentially using the energy that we have around us to being able to heal, uh to heal things. And I'm in the process of doing doing more so I can you know, transfer this stuff to people and being able to you know, not for my fellow man, but I want to take the first step and do uh do it for animals just because I you know, I love I love animals lot me and just like you know, I just I have a long connection for so I want to do that. But like the things that I've learned from doing that, the different type of energetic hand techniques and stuff. I can't explain why some of these things work, and but they do. And I know from the stuff that I've done, like you know, I'd done something and I was able to make my that react to what I was doing, and for the most part, he doesn't give a shit about what I'm doing really at all. But the second I start doing these hand techniques, it doesn't matter where he is at. He comes like I had just like called his Nate and he's right up there. He's right and he he's like stops. Every kid is airing at like what I'm doing. You like, well, we'll bring like, you know, himself as close as he can and even like touch my hands at some point where he walks away. So I did an experiment where I was I come, create the synthetic ball, and I'm going to push it towards him when he is not focusing his attention on me, because I didn't want it to be like, you know, where you know, maybe we could debunk that, you know, he's watching me, so he does something weird because he was watching me. So I just wanted to kind of make it to where I experiment to trying this when he wasn't looking in my direction, wasn't paying attention to at all. And I did, and I'm envisioning this, this ball of energy coming across the room, and I kid you not, man, the second that I envisioned this thing reaching him. My cat does a spin and it takes aw out of the root, taking on the hole through the art man, going all the way to the back bed and then come running straight back out to living before stopping right in front of me and just kind of just like sitting there just clicking his tail around. And I'm just like, oh, okay, uh I, I don't know what that was, uh that was about, but uh, we're just gonna go with it. You mentioned your own or your cousin with NASA. I know there's people out there that listen to this that are gonna they're not very big a fans of NASA's I veronically. I told my buddy today that I came across something that someone posts about NASA and it says NASA stands for not a Space Agency. Yeah, yep, and uh the big thing about NASA, and this goes into the whole flat earth theory they think they're cover up. They make like obviously the Space Shuttle, but the Space Station. I see things all the time. I've seen one the other day. It actually did make me laugh, like they were trying to look like they were floating and other things were floating. But then there was like this little paper thing on the table, but it wasn't floating. But other things were floating, So why wouldn't the lighter thing, like the paper be floating like that? That didn't make any sense. Like the people were like tethered up. They're like tethered because they didn't float away, but like a little sheet of paper wasn't floating at all. Right, I don't know how that works, Like if it's barely any weight to it in space, does it not float? Like I don't understand how that works. But whatever, And I'm not a flat earther per se, but when you go down that rabbit hole, you do just start to wonder a little. But because some of the things that are talked about, it does make you question certain things. And there's other not even just that, but like I feel like NASA itself make the moon landing, and I've talked about yeah, our previous episode. I don't know what the point was other than maybe it was to get up there say oh, we're the first that did it. But I always found it strange that we went up there a few times and then I think it was like nineteen we went like three or four years that they were doing these missions and all of a sudden they stopped going to the moon and then they destroyed all the technology to get to the Moon because they didn't want to fall into the wrong hands. What whose hands were they going to fall into? So now that sense, uh, supposedly the Japanese laid it out. Yeah, just recently, I think, and I and I was like, huh, that's funny because we've been saying for some time now that we couldn't go back to the mood because we couldn't cross that barrier of radiation. I can't remember what the heck they call it, but that Yeah, there's like that that radiation belt that's up in the atmosphere that it we were trying to try to go through, like it would just it would kill us, like the human body wouldn't be able to go through it. So it's like, if that's the case, then how did we get through it before? And now if we can't do it, how did the Japanese just put another band on? Why are we not questioning that from them? Yeah? Yeah, it was but you could see him talking on a phone to the president, like how the camera like their face timing back in nineteen sixty nigh right, no kidding exactly, Like the Internet wasn't even a thing at that point in time, Like we weren't able to I don't feel like we were able to be either. We had this technology, like before we put out there that we had it, which I again, I think a lot of people believe that, you know, the technology that the government actually does have is so much more advanced than what we show. And you know, yeah again I either don't want it to fall into the wrong hands or whatever it may be. But yeah, how are you going to explain making that telephone call when that wouldn't have been possible because at that time, we were still running off of land And how did they get streamed? Like who was filming it? And how did that film make it all the way to Earth? Did they bring a satellite that could shoot off the FaceTime video? Basically none that made sense either, Like they were filming the moonlanding, people watched it live. How are the cameras coming out because at that point we didn't even really have satellites up there. They was going off TV in Tennae, right, yeah exactly, dude, was I was sit in there trying to think, uh something else that did make sense about it, Yeah, like I feel like it. Yeah, we like film even like you know you watch stuff like literally yeah, everything was essentially like hard wire too be able to and yeah, so to sit there and say that, well we were recording it and this and that, like you know, uh, wasn't there like one of the scenes when like he was coming out, like the camera was already outside. Yeah, when in the first step for man, there's already a camera guy out there recording him coming out of the thing exactly. And then like we we already know that that does that crap where you know they do all the simulation stuff underwater and you know it's green screens. Wives. Then we had that one where I showed uh, one of the astronauts out of like the International Space Station like trying to like prepare her something, and then all of a sudden you see a little mouse up in the corner, just like chilling walking around, Like what how is it breathing? Bro? There was a live feed years ago. Something strange came on the live feed and it's like disconnected the live feed back when they used to have like the NASA channel that was like all the time running on like cable or whatever satellite and once something strange like came up on the video, the life streak completely just went dark. It was I was like, well, that's not convenient. Yeah, no kidding, But now, I even as a kid growing up, I was like, oh, we went to the Moon. And the more I thought about it, I was like, how did they go to the moon? Because how'd they get off the Moon? And That's where I've always come I still come back to that. We had to take a rocket to shoot ourselves into space to get away from Earth's gravity. But they landed on the Moon and they didn't float away on the Moon, so the Moon clearly has gravity. They didn't have a rocket, but whatever this lander did had to be big enough to have a rover, which should still be up there somewhere. How did I didn't think about that either, like, yeah, I saw that they brought the rover back. How did uh, whatever they landed with this little capsule thing shoot itself off of that to get back into space to travel all the way back to Earth Because they they didn't have the rocket to do that. They did take a rocket to get there, so how did they have the propulsion to get back to Earth, because because our gravity is so strong that once they detached from the ground all them back it was like a yoke. There should be like a huge blown out area from where they had to launch themselves off the moon. You would think if they had to have rocket thrusters and everything just to get away for the moon. If they say the gravity is so light, that's bullshit, because if the gravity is that light, then they can just float it off easier. And how are they walking? Why is it when they took steps that the dirt itself wasn't floating around? Yeah, that's very very true. Yeah, there's there's too many, too many things about it that the math don't math. It just it doesn't. It doesn't make sense. There's no reason why this would not do the same kinds of things that we would you know, that we would expect, you know, obviously stepping on the ground and then having that gravelly you know surface and the dust you know, kick on during the steps and everything, and it's just like calm. And then on top of that, wasn't one of the flag the flag was was wasn't it moving like as if there was wind or was it maybe a flag was standing still or something I can't remember which I've watched a lot of videos of that, and that's what cracks me up too. They claim it's in a vacuum, so it wouldn't really move, But okay, if it's in a vacuum, then how come there's other things that don't have the same physics as that flag does. Like the flag looks really weird, but it still could flop around. But again, even with that dust and then walking on the moon, it didn't behave the way the flag did. Right, there's so many like things that make you scratch your head that it doesn't add up. And the fact that everything out there is completely black, there was no stars. Like if you look up in the sky right now, you see stars. If it's not cloudy, where anyone out there listening to you, look up in the sky and you can see stars, and you can see how bright the moon is. Why wouldn't you be able to see more stars from the moon. And if they want to say opening only because of the atmosphere, that doesn't make any sense to me. Like maybe that's true, but like why would our atmosphere make it visible when you're not having anything to restrict you know, you know what I'm saying, like, if they don't have an atmosphere on the moon, what would be restricting you from seeing the same light? Yeah, right, yeah, I thought that someone said that the sun is so bright up there, but everything was so bright and the Sun's brightness blocked out everything else. It's like, well, that still doesn't make any sense because you would still be able to look away from the sun, like you're not staring at the sun. If you look differently, you would be depending on where you're at on the moon. I don't even know what's supposedly they landed on and then the whole dark side of the moon theory, like if we really went like what's on the back side of the moon? Because conveniently the and it's always interlocked with the same rotation as the Earth, so you never see the other side of the moon. Like, well, that's awful convenient, right, And you know, also it's funny because I know that you know, you can go outside to our warning and when the sun is up, you're you know, so it's like if we were sitting here trying to say that, well, the sun is so bright and it causes you to not not see it, and this and that Okay, it's so bright that during the day we can't see the stars, but yet we can see the moon. Okay, are we are? We just going that based off of the you know, the proximity of you know, where the moon is to us, and that's why we can we can see it, but you know at the Yeah, but not anything, not anything else, Like, yeah, there's there's too many things that just that I don't know, it's just weird. They don't really add up in my head. Yeah, that's the one topic for conspiracies, and I think there is some line of truth that and the nine to eleven conspiracies and my two main ones that was like, there's definitely some shady shit that when it comes to both of those that doesn't really add up. But I talked about that a lot on just the previous episode I recorded, so I don't want to spend too much time talking about the same thing again. But those those are definitely the ones that get my fellow feathers ruffled. Oh yeah, and you know, and I went for years THEO talking about you know, nine to eleven it be an inside job winning things out to people, and I got so much hate over that. Yeah, it's so anything that I had said, when I'm just like, well, no, I mean, if you want to look at things from a scientific standpoint, there's too many things about this that do not make sense, you know. I mean, and yeah, you know that whole topic itself, it's just I guantic, you know, rabbit holed it to dive down into. But you know, we now know that, you know a lot of these things that people that we were saying are actually credible things. And you know, it's like, I feel like the general consence now notice that hey, this, yes, this was a planned, planned, inside job. We knew everything about it, and you know, government agenda to get us to do whatever it was. But you know, I still remember to this day. I remember where I was sitting that that day. I remember sitting in reading class when you know, it came over there called that we need to turn the TVs on, and I remember watching the second plane hit the towel. Why did we all start to have the TVs on? That was my senior year, and that they made everyone turn the TVs on so we could watch this. I was like, it's almost like they for us to have it embed it into our brains, like everybody had to turn on a TV and watch what was happening. I get it, it's something going on in the world, But did it really impact every single kid that they had to watch that, like, yeah, a plane hit a tower. They didn't know what was going on. I remember watching it before the second plane had ever hit it. Just it was only like a few minutes before, like maybe fifteen twenty minutes before the second plane ever hit They had us watching it on TV. Yep, yep, exactly. It's like and if you talk to other people like you just did, like, oh, yeah, I was in school. I remember exactly where I was at. That's one of those things that I think they wanted everyone to be at because also, conveniently, so was the president. He was in school too, right, he was. He was at school when they they in elementary school when he became lean in and gave him, like gave him the word that there was this big attack and all this stuff. Reading to the kids. He's reading out of a book to the kids, mm hmm. And then the same common yeah, and the same day they were doing these fake military operations of hijacking drills and stuff like that. And one of the drills that they were doing was planes were being hijacked and flown into buildings, so they didn't know that this was really going on. They thought it was fake. They thought it was just part of the drill trainings. It was like, oh, well, that seems pretty convenient. I don't believe in coincidences. So that's if it looks like a duck quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck, exactly. Bro. Well, getting close to that time, so we'd probably get ready to wrap this up. But is there anything else you'd like to talk about before we do? Uh? I can't think you can the top of my head, dude. I mean, this has been an absolute uh blast. You know. I'm glad that I was able to uh, you know, get the get the time to to come on here and talk about a few things. I mean, we'll definitely have to do it again. I I would love to pick your brain about all sorts of different little you know topics, you know kind of like kind of like this. Uh yeah, this is this has definitely been fun. You know, you can you can go for for so long about all the fruit stuff, you know, and yeah, especially you know nine to eleven and all the things that had happened with that. It's just it's crazy, man. But yeah, dude, I've had an absolute fun time doing this tonight. Man. You know, I I appreciate uh getting the chance to come on the show. Oh hey, appreciate having you on here. Do you want to let the audience know one more time where they can check out your podcast, the Big Rambowski Podcasts, Come find your boy, Spotify all the things. You know. I got a leak tree. You'll have that in the notes, so you guys will be able to come and come check it out. Come talk to me, uh, you know, whatever, whatever your thoughts are, you want to you want to pick my brain with something, you know, Uh, hit me up and want to come on the show. Hit me up. You know, I'm I'm always looking for new guests and that I'm always trying to do different things, you know, And I like to kind of keep it too where I call it a subnormal podcast because it's not always going to be to say, yeah, we might talk about conspiracies one day, we might talk about ghosts one day, in Bigfoot one day. But you know, I I've got all these all these good plans of different things. I'm trying to get professional BMX writers to come on just to talk about you know, the days of you know, when we were kids, you know, just riding bikes and skateboards and you know, just kind of how we grew up and just you know, shooting the ship because I feel like, uh, these days, we we don't actually sit down and talk with another like we like we used to. I mean, you might go to a coffee shop, but doughnut shopping. They see, like the old guys who were still sitting at the table every morning with their newspaper and their coffee. They're just you know, they're talking and everything. It's just it's the art of conversation, and I'm trying to perfect that. So anybody wants to come and have a conversation with me, I implore you to find me and hit me up, because I'm always down to clown. That is definitely something that I do agree with that the art of conversation has been lost, especially on the younger generations. We're like one of the last generations of people at least here in America that I've been seeing that really know how to have conversations. Anyone else's more or less they're glued to the phone, which I admit I'm just as bad, but they don't want to talk, which I hate talking on a telephone. I always have right, some people call me I want to talk forever. I was like, couldn't you just send me a text message? It's just so much like I don't have to, Like if I'm in the middle of doing something, it's easier to respond and have an hour long conversation about something so simple. Text works easier. But I do believe that's part of the reason though, that we've lost the ability to have conversations with people. And I don't know how people are able to manage sometimes because I feel bad for the newer generation with my kids and everything growing out there is they don't have a way of communicating, Like they have friends come over, they don't even speak. They're all just laying around on a phone. Yeah, what do you guys do? We're hanging out. I mean, you're all hanging out in a room on a cell phone, not doing anything, Like you're not even talking to each other. You're talking to other people on your phones. Like what. I don't get it, So yeah, yeah, I don't either, And you know, we're kind of also kind of like that last generation of kids that you know, actually sat outside and you know, played outside, it did things outside, Like, yeah, we had some video games. We had the Nintendo, the Super Nintendo PlayStation PS two, and we saw all the different consoles come out. We were there for the birth of the internet, you know, sell phones, even cordless you know, home phones. We you know, we saw all these different and things of technology that came out. But yet we were still going out riding our bike down the road to our friend's house to hang out with them, you know, running in the streets, you know, all day, you know, all night, you know, just because you know, we we could, and you know, just like the kids now that they don't, they definitely don't. They don't do that kind of stuff anymore. And it's it's it's a shame, and honestly, I try not to think about it, but they get the same time. Like it truly scares me that, you know, how what the what the future holds for us when we get to the age where we're just like you know, in our seventies and eighties are getting to be decrepit and everything. Now we gotta we gotta trust that these guys are coming to clutch for us and making sure that we're gucci, and I don't think it's gonna happen. Bro, We're gonna be screwed. Yeah. I don't know if we even won't make it that long. The way the world keeps going, I don't know if we're gonna see our eighties, because that's forty more years for me. I don't know if the world's gonna be the same in forty years. Yeah, absolutely will not be for sure. Not to end on a negative note, but I feel like the world's just continuing to go the hell in a handbasket, so definitely. Dude, Well we can wrap this up. But again I want to say thanks so everyone out there listening. Thanks to Sean, thanks for listening. Check out The Big grim Bowski Podcast and we will check you out on the next one. Good night everyone. Remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote, good night everyone,