Ep. 87: Dogman and Eclipse Paranormal

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon. Right tonight's episode, we're gonna be joined by Jennifer. Jennifer is the founder of Eclipse Paranormal. She's also the Region two director of the North American dog Man Project. She reached out to me a couple months ago. We got something to scheduled. 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You also get early access to all the episodes. Once they're finished being recorded and edited, they will be placed on the Patreon. You'll get live videos from when I do interviews with people, and we actually use the video camera. There's also bonus content on there. It's own little episodes strictly for the Patreon. It's only one dollar and ninety nine cents a month, so less than two bucks a month, and you get all that content. Make sure to follow us on all the social media's Facebook, x, Instagram. Find me on Facebook it's Brandon tenfoil Tels. You can ad me on there directly. You talk to me that way too. I think now it's time to bring Jin on and look forward to talking weather. Everyone should know at this point the dog man is my bread and butter, so definitely want to dive into this. So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Like take the time and welcome my guest tonight, Jen, Thanks for coming on here and talk to me. Thanks for having me on. A little bit about yourself. I'm Jen Jacobs. I have been in the ghost honey field professionally for over oh my gosh, twelve thirteen years now, so quite some time. I joined the NADP in twenty sixteen and I have my own paranormal team here in Indiana, Eclipse Pharanormal. We have an event company and I also run the Region to Midwest chapter of the NADP, and we hold all kinds of conferences. But we can get into all that if you want. Are the audience listening. What is it? NADP, The North American dog Man Project right up my alley. But yeah, when you reached out to me and I seen all that stuff, I was like, that's funny because I didn't even know we had one. I'm from Indiana and I think that's where you're located from too. So it's kind of interesting because it piqued my interest just because the whole dog man thing is like, I don't even know we even had one of those. Yeah, I've been I've had a couple public events, but there hasn't been a whole lot of people come. I had a little meet and greet paranormal meet and greet up in Goshen at Oxbo Park. Oh, probably it was before COVID twenty eighteen, something like that. Yeah, definitely check one out. There's something going on. I'm actually working on the Michiana Cryptid Con be the first dog Man cryptid conference in northern Indiana. Then I'm aware of. I don't know, somebody may have done one before and I just didn't know it. Well, if that comes about. I would definitely be interested in that and being there just because it's literally my neck of the ones. I'm in north central Indiana. Okay, we're probably neighbors and don't even know it. I'm up here in Miami County. We're not far. I live in Elkhart County. My friend that I do another podcast with him, he's actually from Elkhart area, so it's kind of funny. We're doing a conspiracy theme podcast for the Patreon and it's gonna be him and I do that one too, so it's kind of the other podcast he do is more music related, but this one. He was the first guest I ever had on this show, and then he was actually just on recently because up around elk CARDI actually saw some weird, strange lights in the sky when he was Uber and him and the passioner he picked up saw some like weird stuff going on to the sky. I always missed the good stuff. I remember years ago there was a UFO around Liganeer, and of course I lived in Fort Wayne at the time, but no, I didn't even know about that up here in Elkhart. Yeah, I'm actually stranger if you mentioned Fort Wayne on Tuesday, I'm going to be speaking in Fort Wayne at the UFO Alien Intelligence meeting at the library, and then they're having one here in Peru on the twenty third, Saturday, the twenty third, it's the library here. Yeah, they asked me to be the guest speakers. I was like, sure, why not blame me, I guess by the time this ended up airing, though, it'll be way past when had actually happened. So but now that I didn't even know they had these groups going on, but you know, they just made up to the UFO and UAP groups. I was like, hmm, piques my interest too, it does mine too, well. I just new things to look into. I guess I just have one cryptid I don't mess with, and that's puck Wedgies. Nope, I'm good. Those things scare me. Well. We had a had an interview with a guy from Massachusetts who's all about the puck Wedgies just here recently. But down in Anderson, Indiana, and there is the Mound State Park and there's been rumors for years about punk wedgies there. I heard that too, And on the ghostly side, you can hear cannon fire down there too. At night. I've never been there at night time. I've been there a couple of times during the day, but I've never stayed at night. I never camped there. I haven't either. I know some people who's been down there investigated at night and they said that you've been here Cannon Fire. My wife's family used to camp there. They had a camp or they'd park out there, and they'd stay out there almost every weekend. No, we've been. We visited a few times, but we never stayed. I've not been there. But yeah, do you want to start from the beginning or wherever you want to dive into It's all yours. Well, I'm old, so back in the seventies, you know yet, and I have a whole lot of internet back then, so anything I could get my hands on at the library, I would anything from Bermuda Triangle to Bigfoot to ghosts anything, you know. It was rare to find back then in the seventies, eighties, and then the started becoming more prominent in the late nineties, especially after it was on TV. And my first experience was looking at my mom's bedroom window and I saw something that I'm now told is an elemental staring back at me and smiled, and my mom told me that I was being mean and that was the devil watching me. So didn't deter me from the paranormal. It just made me more intrigued, and I eventually ended up joining a team. It's always interested in me. I've always known things like when my grandpa passed, I had told my mom, I said, no, I need to go see him tonight, and she's like, no, your younger cousin. It was my younger cousin. No, he's with us. He can't go upstairs to see him. And that was back in the eighties, so kids couldn't go up there then. And I said, no, I have to go see him, and he died the next morning. And the just things like that have happened over the years. I know things, and I I'm told I'm psychic, but I don't really like that word because I feel like a psychic reads people and gives them their future, and I can't do that. I refer to myself Morris, an EmPATH or a seer. I have four of the five players. I'm trying to think of everything. My grandma on my dad's side, she saw and spoke to spirits. She knew things too. My mom's sister. She sees shadows and she hears things, so I kind of get it from both sides. And then I wrote my junior senior final in English on Bigfoot. And in twenty fifteen I met Jody Cook that founded the North American dog Man Project and from then on I've worked with them, ran my team, starting an event company and hosts three conferences four conferences annually and next year I plan to pick up two more. Plus I have three kids, a single mom and work forty hours. Yeah I'm not a single parent, but we've got four kids and I work forty plus hours and she works. So I try and do this here in my free time, which isn't very often. No people are ask me, well, how in the world do you do it. I'm like, I have no idea. I just do. Yeah. I always schedule my stuff later in the evening because I point the older kids go to bed, my uncle in bed, except for the two year old because he's a terrorizer and never wants to go to bed when you need him to. The terrible twos, Oh yeah, he's mister attitude problem. Lately, my eight year old's still like that. A boy it's definitely a boy thing. The eleven year old's the same way. That's funny. No, so you mentioned the dog Man project and everything. Has there been any known like sightings or encounters here around Indiana if you're awareof Yes, my one of my coworkers, well, it's actually on a couple different podcasts over at Potato stak Oh, what's it called Potato Creek State Park? I always switched to words, there's been sightings. One of my coworkers was driving to his in laws last summer. They had had a one of those really bad thunderstorms we had come through. It's their house was brand new and a tree fell on it. It took several months to get it fixed past what it should and they were staying up in North Liberty at their in law's house, and he was driving up there and he came to work the next thing. He's like, I have to talk to you. I was like, okay, And he told me he was driving home after work and there was like fog in the area and he passed a spot and something stepped out that looked like it had mange, he said, And he said, you didn't stop and go back? He said, nope. I just kept driving, and then he actually was telling me about an encounter him and his wife had in your neck of the woods down by Walbash Nunnington on is it twenty four or is it twenty four fourteen? Twenty four goes through there and fourteen is just north of it, Okay, so it was fourteen. Him and his wife had something alongside the road and there was a hamprint on their car, and his wife won't talk about it. She's like, nope, I I it, don't see anything. And they just kept driving. But he had told me about the podcast about Potato Creek, so I listened to those and I got to look checking around, and I guess there's been a lot of sightings over there. And the scary thing is they have a boy Scout camp and when I asked if I could hold the conference in the park, I was told no, we don't hold those kind of events here. There's a haboo when it comes to certain things, I think, and I just said it was a conference. I can't tell them what kind m hmm, But I thought it was kind of odd. Yeah, especially if they didn't even know what a type of conference it would be. Yeah, And then there's actually a family that migrates in May and October through the area I'm at in here in Indiana, and I've had I've seen a dog man. I've seen a big foot outside of Bosh. Was driving to work. What let me think, Oh, my youngest is two, so it's been several years ago. I was driving and something crossed the road in front of me, and I thought, why is that man wearing an all orange jumpsuit with a white hat on his head? And I stopped the car. Most people wouldn't, but me, being me, I stopped the car and just looked, and I realized he was as tall as the do not pass signs that are yellow, you know, the like sideways triangles. Yeah, he was as tall as that sign and walked into the cornfield. Corn was tall, so it was late, it was October, and it was all dry and dried, but they hadn't picked it yet. And he was as tall as that sign and walked into that corn and disappeared. And we've seen the dog men around on this area as well. Back in two thousand and seven, I saw what could be a dog man. I don't want to jump I'll tell you off air more about it. So I don't want to keep talking about on here, but it's basically, it looked like a black German shepherd or a black wolf that still looked like a human and walked on two legs and then got down and went off on its business. And I don't know of any normal dog that can do that. And I was fifteen feet from it face to face. That's why I do the podcast because I'm very skeptical, but yet that makes you really question. It does a lot of things. But now I can talk to you more about that here after after we're done recording. Yeah, and I can tell you about what we had to because I don't like to share locations. Yeah, that's fine typically of that, because it's if you don't know where I live, it's easy to find MM. But we have them that migrate through here from May and October. We've My son had a juvenile that would follow him and a couple of years before I was pregnant with his sister. And now that I like, I've said this before and I look back on it, and he was four and there was this big black dog in my mom's neighborhood that would only come around at night, and he was afraid of it, and I'd still get so mad at him. And he'll be twenty one soon. I was like eight months pregnant with his sister, and he unlocked that front door and took off running. All it was was those little street lights out front of the house, like night lights. Yeah, in the neighborhood. And I'm trying to catch him, and my mom goes, hey, if you don't stop, that big black dog's going to get you. He stopped in his tracks. It was crazy, And now that I think about it, I wonder if my dog man sighting by her house was related to that. I don't know what to think about dog men because nothing about them seems to be like evolutionary of why they should be what they are. Obviously there's been reports throughout history, obviously, like with were wolves, and you had a Nubis and all sorts of different depictions of these upright walking canines. Right, but where did the evolutionary line come? If they're a flesh and blood thing, where did that happen at? Like there's where's the missing link? Like I can't understand a sasquatch because it's more of a humanoid. And obviously there was other primates that were like that, so I could see that being an offshoot. It's hard to come to terms with, like a dog man. And they say there's some are spiritual too, and some come and go out of portals. Yeah, there's all sorts of different things. What it comes with all these types of creatures? And I, what's is it? Coonbo's channel? I don't remember what it's called. I had listened to it in those Oh, wasn't there one? I don't know if you listen to them, one that looked like it had mange and like it was bleeding grain? Am I thinking? I'll be honest, I don't listen to a whole lot of other podcasts or other channels or anything like that. This was years ago, like over five years ago. That's why I'm having trouble remembering it. But if I think correctly, they've they've said it's like a government exp barrinment, And I guess there's a government facility where this one was seen. My son's dad saw one in Fort Wayne. And this is a crazy story. So it goes back to I moved there. I don't know in the nineties early two thousands. I lived off of cold water and Wallyn Road out north, which is just around the DuPont area. So at that time it was a two lane road out there. It's not like it is today at all. And I lived in Wallin Hills and the next road up from Wallen was Till Road. And when I met Jodie, he was telling me about there was a house out there on Walln Road and a gentleman was taking his dog for a walk and his dog just stopped in its tracks, it wouldn't move, and he could see something moving in that house that abandoned house. Police recalled and the house was demolitioned in twenty four hours pretty quick. Yeah, And I thought, oh my god. I was in my twenties going in and out at two three in the morning, and that was right down the road from me. And then I've always I've mostly lived up north. And I'm trying to think. My youngest was born in twenty fifteen, so it's probably twenty fourteen, early twenty fifteen. My daughter I was getting ready to take her to daycare and go to work. I walked out of the house. We had a deck, went down, started to put her in the car. She was in kindergarten at the time, and I look up and I see and they laugh every time I describe it. You know how gorilla's butt is really round and it walks on its front paws or whatever you want to call it, above the hood of that car. All I saw was this butt. It was black, and that's all you saw. I saw no ears, I saw nothing else. That's the fastest I've ever got her in that car. And then at night we were outside and we heard you could you could hear like the sirens from the fire trucks and stuff. We heard those, but you could also hear high pitched howls as well. And then my son, my youngest son's dad was out on oh, what's that road called. It runs behind Myers off of Limer Road, goes out towards Carol High School, but it's one of those housing additions out through there. He was driving along at night and he looked over and there was a dog man looking over the fence like it was his tallest, the fence that had no problems getting over it, and it saw him in his headlights. It hunched down, turned around, and it disappeared. He said, you could not see it. It was snow out and it and that dog Man was dark and there was snow on the ground, and he said it just disappeared. He said, he wonders it didn't come through a portal. The dog Man stuff in portals. There's been so much stuff lately about it, and it gets to the point to where it's like, are people saying portals now because it became trendy because years ago you never heard anything about portals, and now it seems like they've shifted from being flesh and blood things to more interdimensional things that come popping in and out, which I do tend to agree that that could be true because it seems kind of plausible. I guess I don't know, but I feel like in the last two or three years, this whole portal thing and it's really taken off. And it's not just the cryptid field, it's also ghosts hunting, Like everywhere seems to have a portal now, yeah, and UFOs and UAPs, everything's interdimensional. It's changed a lot since I started that. I'm not an avid investigator. I don't go out on hunts. I don't do anything like that. I'm just a guy with a microphone that started a podcast. I've seen some crazy stuff years ago. I get that this is my safe way of being an investigator. I don't do any investigating. I do investigating down here in my basement behind my computer screen. I'm one of the front line. We'll call me that. I actually do a whole lot more ghosts. Well, I don't like the term ghost hunting. Yeah, it's too cheesy, and it makes you think of like back when it first started, or Zach Begins and everything, and that's another thing. Everything's demonic now, Yeah, that's a whole nother story in itself. But I do more haunted location. We'll put it this way, haunted locations. Then I get out in the field. But we've got a spot over around the wall was see area. One of the gals I investigate with, well, I ghost hunt with. She was driving home and she drives like a and Escalade, like the big huge SUVs and she lives out by one of the lakes, and her and her husband and were driving home. She was driving and she stopped because a wolf was as tall as the hood of that suv out by her area. And we went out there and investigated. We were actually we were bird watching, that's what we were doing. We were bird watching. I don't know. I don't know what I would actually do if I ever saw something strange. Again, I don't know if i'd go after it. I say I would, but at the same time, I'm like, I've heard a hell of a lot of horror stories these days of what these things could possibly do. But I want to be the person, just from my own sanity to figure out what it actually is. I want to know if it's spirit, flesh and blood that rips me apart, then I guess I'll know for two seconds solved. Yeah, Like my own curiosity is I just have to know. Same thing I've said before, a sasquad, Like if I ever see a sasquatch, people always have the blurry photos or the shaky hand. I'm just charging after it. Like I'm not just gonna stand there and watch it walk out way. I'm gonna chase after and see what happens. I'm gonna be like I'll look at my friend and go, did you see that? Are you sure you saw that? But we'll just look at each other, h make sure we both saw the same thing on the same page. Our other friend that lives over around all 's see. She goes out in the woods a lot. Her name's Tamala, and she texts me some crazy questions and sent some photos to me. She goes out by herself in the woods and takes walk and she's seen structures out there, she asked me. She texts me one day and she goes, what do you think this is? She goes, I found three deerheads, ripped off bodies and stuck on steaks. I said, I'm not sure about that, so I got a hold. I asked other of us theirs what they thought, and I don't know if it was sasquatch or if it's dog men. Either way, she needs to stay out of the woods by herself. I can't imagine walking up on that. Yeah, that would be I don't go in the woods anyway. I don't think i'd ever go back in the woods again. Mm hmm. I don't like snakes, so that's that's kind of why I don't go out a lot. Sneak don't really bother me. I don't like bugs. I'm fine with those those spiders. I just don't want to get bit and die. I don't I don't snake. I don't like spiders. I don't like praying manises or big old nasty bugs in general. I don't know what it is. I just never liked them, But praying manises they always creep me out because they turned their head and watch as you walk past them. I was like, they look like little aliens. They do. My son doesn't like them either. He's afraid of them. My youngest is littler ones are okay. I'll mess around with them, and when they get bigger and they jump on me, I'm pretty much gonna have a heart attack because I'll freak out and start screaming. He doesn't like grasshoppers either. Yeah, I don't like those. I don't they jump on me. I'll knock them off, but they don't freak me out. But like, for whatever reason, it's big old. If it's a smaller spider, it's one thing. But when they get bigger, then I don't like them. Yeah, my voice. Both my boys they can't stand spiders. It's it's just neither one of them knew. Both of them's afraid of them. Yeah. Sure, what the one's gonna do if he moves to Arizona with all the bugs and Creaky Crawley's out there, So I guess I'll learn that real quick. I think the tarantula's out there is a no go fat and the scorpions. Definitely, those two definitely I agree. I agree one hundred and I couldn't do it. My uncle worked for Jaco, always been twenty five years ago and it was one of their downsizing they had, and they got him. They got his youngest son that worked with him, and he went and bought himself an RV repair business. We thought for sure, they moved to Florida and they ended up going to Arizona, and they love it out there. I just hit the handle all the bugs. I've been out there a few times. It's I didn't mind being out there, but it's not any place i'd want to be at for an extended period of time. That's what my mom says. She said that she has to have green grass. She she's because they asked her, Oh, would they ask her to come back to visit, and she's like no, She's like, I'll go visit, but I'm not going to stay long. I have to have my green grass. So I was out there in August and it was like one hundred and seventeen degrees when we left, and oh, it's a dry heat. I don't care. It's still hot. Yeah, yep. And know my cousin dog can't go outside at a certain temperature. He has him and his girlfriend have a really nice house and they have what they have grass, but it's I know it's not is it astra a turf? Maybe they have astra a turf as grass. But after a certain time of the day when it gets too hot, their dog can't go outside to go to the bathroom or it'll burn its paws. Yeah, I know it gets super hot out there, especially everyone seemed like they had a swimming pool. They did, and then the ground you walk out there and it burns your feet. Yep. Yeah, they have a pool. They have a nice pool and stuff. Well, kind of got off topic for the weird stuff. It's okay, Yeah, it makes it, it changes it up a bit. Yeah, it's like I said earlier before we got recorded, and there's no rhymor reason of how I do the show. It's just open conversation, so it works out. But yeah, back on to the paranormal side. You say, do more of a you don't like the term ghost hunting, but say more param normal researching. Yeah, and investigating. I do more of that. It's kind of hard to get out in the woods because people like like Tamala, we live what twenty minutes from each other, thirty minutes, but she has young kids. She has a two year old. She feels your pain and hers her son and the that older son, so you know, it's hard to get people together. And some of the other gals they live down by Indianapolis, and I've done public events and I didn't have anybody come. So we're trying to build the NADP up again. So we're gonna I'm going to do some conferences this year. I'll be in Chicago at one representing the NADP, and I'm trying to think what else. I have my Crypti conference, so we're trying to build it back up. When is the Crypto conference supposed to be? My schedule June twenty ninth at the North Liberty Community Center. Awesome. Do you have speakers or vendors or anything like that going to be there, let's start. I am looking for both speakers and vendors. Well, I might be interested. I'll have to check on the dates, but I'm trying to get on I'm scheduled for a couple of different ones so far this year, so I'm trying to the crypto one. The crypto one is definitely right it now, like it's one of the ones I'm on right now are actually CRYPTI related. They're paranormal and big Foot. Well, I guess there is the big Foot one, but I haven't been one hundred percent confirmed on that one, so I don't know yet. But that Uh, I've got some stickers and I've got some other things, and like I said, I've been trying to build up some stuff, so I definitely want to hit up these conventions and conferences and stuff this year. Yeah, We've got We're going to Penhurst par Con. We're accepted as vendors there this year. Nice. I'm looking forward to that. And then we're going to the one I suppose I probably should write it down. It's June ninth, that second week of June, we're going to the it's a Chicago paraqon. I try to think, what else is there anything you want to talk about from the paranormal side. I know we talked a little bit about cryptids and everything, but we jump into those paranormal stories. Would you like a funny story Hey, I'm always good for a laugh here and there. So this is one of our favorite stories. So we went to Eloise Asylum up in Westfield, Michigan, just west of Detroit and very active place. I'd like to go back. We all would like to go back. And we're walking around the lady's like, oh, people who go in this room get scratched. Becky walks in, she gets scratched, and she tells us that chair, that always happens to someone around that chair, So maybe and meat I sat down and got scratched twice in that chair. We go on to other levels and we're investigating and we're laughing. We had the SB seven the spirit box going, and we're giving Becky a hard time about her new equipment and they say my name and then they say Becky's and we were laughing and we heard over the spirit box ha ha ha ha Clarus day and I guess later in the night. So one of our last stops was the doctor's ward where the doctors would lived out. That was the Elois and we walk in there and we flipped the spirit box on. None of us had recorders going. We were too stumped to realize we didn't have recorders on. We heard somebody getting busy. Then we turned the other spirit box on. You can hear it on both spirit boxes, and we're just looking at each other like are you hearing this? Yeah? Do you hear it? We're just making sure that's the craziest thing that's ever happened to us. So that's my funny story world. But I have some creepy ones too, and so I'm down to listen to some creepy ones too. We went to We're involved with Global ghost Hunt, which is live and you can go on the YouTube channel and watch this calling When Art Center, one of the most active locations I've ever been at. Over in Toledo, Ohio, used to be a uh convent and they still have They used to call their bedroom cells, which is kind of creepy, and it has a big auditorium with a dome theater. It was a school at one time. The house out front they lived in that house and things are supposedly thrown in the basement. There's actually a pentagram painted on the basement floor. And we go upstairs in the house and you can watch all this start taking place. About twenty minutes for our two hour video ends ten fifteen, twenty minutes and I'm doing the SD's method, and you can hear somebody go Jen, Jen, we need you. They pulled me out, and my best friend's daughter is sitting there, rocking and saying, don't touch me, leave me alone. Nobody's touching her, nobody's doing anything to her. So we try to get her to go downstairs. No I'm not going, and her mom standing about two feet away from her, and I'm like, come on, Katie, you go ahead, you go downstairs first. No, I'm not going. They're telling me you're gonna push me down the steps. I'm sorry, who's telling you what? You're gonna push me down the steps? Says okay, I'll go first. You can follow me between me and your mom so we know you're okay. And her mom's staying about to feel away from her and am I allowed to cuss on your show? Yeah, that's fine. I don't, okay, So she is losing it. She's like, quit fucking touching me, screaming at us, and her mom goes, Katie, nobody's touching you. I told you to quit screaming at me and quit fucking touching me. Nobody's screaming at her. We're all talking in a normal tone, trying to get her move her happy buns downstairs so we can get her outside to get her grounded. Finally get her to move and down you go. It's on the second floor and it's wood and mind you, I'll tell you that why I'm going to say this. So we come down to the second the first floor to go to the basement, which we had to go through to get outside, and Becky, who is my partner and anything we do, she I hear her and I never heard her do this before. She goes, go go go, go, go, go go, and I'm like, what the what she said? On that wood floor she heard somebody running up behind her. There was a woman that had got pushed down those steps and died before, like in the past, so she's thinking somebody's running up behind her to push her down those steps. So we get Katie to the first floor, trying to get her to go down to the stairs that goes to the basement. She's like, I'm not going down there, and we're like, come on, we gotta get your side. She goes, no, there's that big black man standing there. And I looked at her. She goes, no, not like a black person. She goes a big black mass. It's a man. That's a big black mass. I'm like, it's it was like solid to her, like a mass. I guess the shadow figure. But she's like, you don't see how like Katie, I don't see anything. I'm like, I need you to go, I need you to get outside. And she was, Oh, I don't know how in the world we got her to move, but we got her outside. It took me two hours to ground her and pull whatever it was trying to attach to her. I think it was left in the building. But to get her cleansed and grounded took me two hours. A ton of sage, a ton of celennite, her mom gave her a my brain died the black stone. Uh, it's like right there. But by morning that that necklace we had wrapped around as a bracelet had broke. Something is really trying to attach to her that night. That's one of the scariest thing. Well, I don't know if it's really scary. Wasn't scary for me. I was just getting irritated because it wouldn't leave her alone. But it was scary for her and that's one of the craziest things that I've had happen. How about you can watch that what our puppy is carrying around? Thank you. Our puppy is carrying around my son's uh PlayStation headphones with the microphone. Yeah, that's what happened. I'm sure he wouldn't enjoy it being chewed up by a dog. I don't want to go buy any That's why I'm like, no, let's not do this. But that's one of the creepier things that's happened. We had the funny one, the creepy one. Is there anything else that? I don't want to keep jumping around back and forth. But you'd mentioned, like earlier with dog men. He said that they my great my kind of migrate through the area or whatever. Right, has there been any way to try and actually like get evidence of that as anyone actually went out there and tried to see that for sure? I can tell you it happens every year around the same time, because we have stuff that's happened. It happens around the same time every year. I live in the country. Mm hm, And I can tell you it happens every year around the same time. And they've actually, somebody told me up by Middlebury they've seen sasquatch. I'm curious what the Amish have seen, but you know, they won't talk. I'd really like to know, like late at night, what they have seen on their farms or even out in their buggies and stuff. I'm really I've never really thought about that, but that is a good point. Like, yeah, with vehicles and everything, it's going to scare animals away because they hear it. They see the lights and everything. With your out and about on a horse and buggy, I mean you're gonna hear the footsteps or the clicking. Then obviously the things have a keen sense of smell. They're gonna smell it, but it's a little different than a vehicle exactly. And in their farms, have they had stuff come around on their farms? Has any of their animals been slaughtered or taken? I'm really super super curious, but I don't know any Amish folks that be willing to talk to me. My kids actually go to school with some that are I don't know if they're one hundred percent Amish, because I don't think they'd go to normal school, but they live that type of lifestyle. Uh huh, So I don't know one of them. They're there, they've actually left. I guess the religion, I don't. I don't know how that works. I don't know anything about the Amish culture or religion or anything like that. So, but uh, maybe I could talk to one of them now that they're not Amish anymore. Yeah, I know. I know a few people that's no longer Amlish that became English. Yeah, I'm really curious what they've seen or what they've experienced. Have they had anything happened? So if there's any Homish people that want to talk to me, they can. I'm I'm in the mindset that, like without sounding weird or strange, like, I'm in the mindset of if I can figure out where these dog men are supposed to be at, and everyone's about what I'm going to look for. I said, before I see one walk out in front of me, again, I'm just gonna run it over one or the other. Well, the thing before, but I we had to swerve out of the road, so in the middle of the road, and then the next time something comes walking out in front of the road, and I'm not gonna try and sfer them it's gonna splatter it. I was like, then I'll have my proof one way or the other. That's right there without a camera in the car. Yeah, I don't care if I have to prove it to the rest of the world alone, that I prove it to myself and I'll know it wasn't crazy, right. Yeah, I once in a great while, Oh I did. We're talking about Sasquatch. I just remembered this, so it was it's been I don't know. I was still working at Oakland at the time, so four or five years ago. I've been at my current job over two years. So about four years ago, one of the winter storms, we had walked outside and I started my car to get it warmed up and to clean it off, and the lights were shining. I happened to look down and my daughter laid down and she's like, Mom, look at these footprints. And I'd have to dig the pictures up, but they are They look like actual feet, like you know how you walk in water and you'll leave your footprints. It looked like feet, like there were tiny feet and then bigger feet just in the snow, and then they just disappeared. I almost ran over them and walked on them. And then one summer I went outside. It's been a couple times it's happened to me. It's been in the spring usually, but there's like a gift laying on my deck. The one time it was the walnut shells. I think they're walnuts, the green hard things that look like remind me of tennis balls that you run over, but how they peel back. Those were laying there right on the steps where I would have to walk over it to get down. And then there was a little pile of rocks out there too, So I don't know. I don't know how they got their footprints in the snow. There was no footprints coming or footprints going. It was just footprints in that one spot in front of my suv, like right where I would see them. It was positioned perfectly, but it looked like somebody had walked in the snow and their feet had melted around the snow and they were probably a good, I don't know, foot and a half about how big do you think they were? Probably foot in the half foot in the half yeah, foot foot and a half. Yeah. Because some I've seen people recently and they say, oh, they found sasquatch or track and they measure them and they're like thirteen fourteen inches. That seems pretty big. I wear a size fourteen shoe, so is almost that big. And when I see things like people like, oh, it's like a huge footprint, is like, I mean, I guess I have a huge foot. I don't know, Like when I think of like a bigfoot, I'm thinking of like, like you said, eighteen inches to are bigger and wider. But I've seen a lot of people lately been putting out photos of footprints that don't look super large. They're like, well, it must be a juvenile. Why would anyone be out walking barefoot in the snow. I don't know. But it's not in the realm of someone else trying to fake it either. Like it was just crazy because there was no footprints coming there, and there was no footprints leaving, and it was just those footprints in that spot in front of my truck, right where when I would turn them on, turn my lights on to start it, you would see it. Because, believe me, we looked. My daughter was looking, my son, my youngest son was looking. I was looking nothing. It was just that spot. I have pictures i'd have to dig them up now they think about it. I don't know. I don't know how familiar are with some of these alleged dog man pictures and with you being a part of the NADP. I know on their website. I'm actually got it right now. That was the Ohio dog Man allegedly captured on the trail cam. Someone said that's from Dog Soldiers. I've seen it floating around and everything else. They said, that's a clip from Dog Soldiers. See what. Yeah, it's like the first things that are on there when you scroll down, it says it does look very much like the thing from Dogs. Dogs Soldiers is one of my favorite werewolf movies. So I've seen that. I've seen people hosten up in the groups and everything. I was like, this is what irritates me when it comes to these things, because people will steal photos and then try and oh I took these photos. It's like, we'll look like capturles it's clearly not true, and then it just spreads and everyone else keeps spreading on, like that's why it's a discredit to the actual research. When people are just spreading up bullshit. Is it the Ohio dog Man? Allegedly capture on trail Pam Yep, said Richard m Candless mckinlesh. Yeah, those photos look like from dog Soldiers, And I've seen people commenting on in these dog man groups and these photos get brought up that it's from dog soldiers. It. I think it's shaped differently then what I've encountered. It doesn't look like anything that I saw. To me, I don't know, like the thing that I saw, it didn't have the humanish vibe too, like, it didn't have hands, it didn't have like humanoid body like. It looked like a normal canine but had the ability to stand up and walk on two lakes. So I don't know how to I guess it doesn't make any sense. The one I saw was from like the site in the back, and I can tell you it was. It was almost to the roof of my mom's neighbor's house. Pupper's come here. She's getting anxious for my daughter to get home. I guess I'm bothering her now, but she's getting her zoom zoomies on too. But it was almost to the gutter on the neighbor across the streets house. It was almost that high and the shoulders were probably I don't know. The thing was huge, and I could see the long arms and you could see like the long claws or nails on it. I'm gonna freak myself out talking about this. I gotta take her out the body look at me. Well, we could probably wrap this up if you're good with that. If there's anything else you want to talk about, we can always try and do another episode. My daughter's not home yet, and I'm like, I'm talking about this stuff. And well, the reason I say that is because about the time we saw ours, my son and I did. We had come home and it was in October, and we had seen it on and off from May through the summer, and in October, I had come home to drop groceries off before I took them over to my mom's to visit, and I have security lights. My oldest guss Well, you know, mom, it's probably the dog men. It's like, oh my god. Okay, that's what I was thinking. So brought the groceries and everything was good, went over to my mom's for a little bit. We came home and I have a metal roof, and we get out security lights on back porch lights on I can't see up above me, but you know how you a nail will hit something metallic and make that tink tink noise. Tell me why I heard three distinct tink tink tink when I was trying to get in the house and my mom, my daughter says, Mom, somebody just said something. I said, what they say? She goes, I don't know, but they're trying to talk to us. Let's get in the house. That's why I'm like, I'm freaking myself out. I think Arianic can take the cat dog out when she gets home. They the tinking. I have a metal roof too, It doesn't like someone would be tapping on if you can hear that tink tink tink. And she says that there's sometimes at night that she can hear stuff running up above her on the roof and there's nothing over the house, there's no trees or anything. And I remember one night and I don't think it was a dream, but like you know when you have mice inside your walls and they make that really loud scratching noise. Yeah, it was so loud like that that it woke me up, like something was climbing up the walls or was running on the roof. It woke me up. We get out in our garage. We get random mice and we have attached garage and they come down into the basement is literally right by the garage and it's where the stairwell comes down into And for some reason, I think they get in the wall and they die, because every once in a while we'll get like dead animals. Smell. I can never find it. Always smells like it's in the wall, but it's bricks. I can't get to it because my going to tear aund with cinder blocks to find it. Right, Yeah, they do. They get inside the walls and they'll die in there. We've had that happen too, good old uh rodents for you, I know, right, But yeah, that's that's my craziness. If you go on you can listen to I gotta find it report citing evidence. I believe. Oh the audio, some of those sound crazy. The airport, she's got the zoomies, she's silly. Yeah, she's probably ready to go out. Yeah, my dog likes to go out and bark and then jump into the window. So she hits out like we have a sliding door, and she slams into it. Yeah, she's only about four months old. We have an all white German shepherd that's three years old and she weighs like seventy something almost eighty pounds. Once she's done, she just jumps into the sliding glass something. One of these days you is going to go through the class. Yeah, she's gonna be big. She is part poodle and part Burmese mountain dog. She's the Berna doodle. Okay, Yeah, she'll be a huge dog. Yeah. She looks like those little goats right now, Like how they had the baby goats videos where they jump around and they look really cute. She tends to jump and her paws look like theirs with the fluffy on on it, and so she looks like a little baby goat jumping around. Mmm, it's cute. I should do a TikTok on her and make her TikTok famous. Well, from what I saw, their banning TikTok soow that's supposed to happen anymore. But I heard that too. I heard they're getting rid of completely off top. I bet anyone that's ever listened to my episodes know how I feel about the government, and I think it's worthless. They can't agree on anything, but they can come together and agree that we don't need TikTok, which I don't care because I don't use TikTok anyways, but I do to promote my events. I made one. I put one video on it for the podcast, and I had like five views and I was like, Okay, it's so stupid, and I used to a kin. Actually I watched some live investigations on there. There's a team called Blue Collar Paranormal and they they run like they manage five or six hunted locations and every night they're at one of those locations. And I've actually have three of them booked for this year. So I'm like, hmm, what am I getting into when I go there? And the one place I'm really looking forward to it's an old It was a brothel at one time, it was a funeral home and it was a private home so and then it wasn't it was a senior living place like a nursing home. So I'm really looking forward to going there. Well, is there anything else you would like to discuss or do you think you're rador about wrap this one up? Can I promo my events coming up? Whatever it is you would like to promote. Go right ahead. So one next weekend we're gonna have the Women of the Paranormal Celebration, which is open to everyone. That will be at Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary. On the twenty third is where we're gonna investigate old historic Harraman Hospital. On the twenty fourth is our investigation. We will have a conference on Saturday and Sunday at Temperance Hall in harrim And, Tennessee. Saturday, we'll have all kinds of topics, panels and from women all over. We have some gals coming in from Colorado. On Sunday, we'll have psychic and metaphysical Sunday and Catherine Cirillos from Greece will be doing a virtual event or doing a virtually gallery reading. We still have tickets for that. Then on you may be interested in this one. On April twenty seventh, I will have the Lake Erie Parafest over in Sandusky, Ohio, and we have men and women both. It'll be at the Merrygo Round Museum. We're gonna hold the conference there during the day, take a nice dinner, break, come back and investigate. We're gonna have family Investigations for ten years. Of age up to seventeen with a parent for an hour and a half so you can bring your kids out and investigate with them. And then from nine thirty to two am it's eighteen and over. And then what else do I have? Those are for domestic violence and sexual assault victims in their families. And then we have the mint in this one you might be interested in. Men of the Paranormal Convention will be at Ashmore Estates in Ashmore, Illinois. That's a fundraiser for domestic violence and sexual assaultvictims and their families, because it doesn't just happen to women. It can happen the minto. I know some guys that's happened to And we'll be investigating Ashmore Estates too, and we still need vendors, speakers, lead investigators for that. And that's all my fun stuff, plus the Michigana Cryptic hon we talked about earlier on June twenty ninth than North Liberty. I said, some of the stuff you mentioned by the time this air, that will already be over with Oh okay, yeah, stuff in the beginning like this probably won't come out until some time in May. Oh okay, yeah. I we always have twenty twenty five. Now I have even with releasing two episodes a week, I'm I've got like fourteen or fifteen episodes already recorded ahead, so I record like I record two or three episodes a week. I am going to have in Santa on th thank thank October fifth. There it is. We're gonna have the Lake Erie halifat Hallo Fet like Halloween Hallowfest. And I'm not sure where the convention will be held yet or the conference, but I just talked to a place that's about thirty minutes away. I'm not sure how to say it. It's a bile or bal manner, is b I hl And they just agreed we can do a public investigation there after our conference, and we can do trick or treat for the kids. We always like to do something in October. Yeah, for our events to help the kids. Let the kids have fun, come out and see what we do and let them trick or treat and check out on a location. No, I think it's great to have everyone involved. But for anyone listening, I will include you can send it to me in an email and I will include all of the information in the show notes. So for anyone that's interested, then go into the show notes for the show and they can get all of the dates and locations and everything for those events. All right, and if anyone wants to reach out to you, I'll include your website and stuff too well. I appreciate that we're on Facebook, TikTok if it's still alive, Instagram. I figure we need to do all the socials. So yeah, people find us and what we're about everything. So we're pretty busy this year. I think I have booked twenty locations so far and we're gonna add a few more. We've got several conferences too, Global ghost Hunt. Yeah, it definitely sounds like you got a lot going on. I think we're going to go ahead now and head on out. So again, check out the show notes. You can keep up with what Jennifer's got going on. But thanks for listening, Thanks for Jennifer coming out here talking about me. Good Night everyone. Remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote, good night everyone,