Ep. 89: The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Rag. We're gonna be joined by my guest, John Kerwin. John is the author of the Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide, a guide booked for the persecuted truthers. John reached out to me a couple of months back about coming on here and talking a little bit about his book and a little bit about what it dives into and some of his us I've been looking forward to talking with him, but before we bring John on, if you've ever had an experience or a story you'd like to share, you can always reach out to Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com, or you can go to tenfoiltl dot com. You can go to the contact section. Both ways, we'll get your message to me, so just make sure to send me something. We'll get a future episode schedule for you. If you want to help the podcast out, please continue to share it around. Word of mouth is what helps the podcast grow. More people that check ten foil tels more chances are you'll have more episodes coming your way. You can also do something pretty simple, leave a five star rating in review wherever you listen to ten Foil Tells at If you write out a review, I'll make sure to read it on a future episode. Give you guys a shout out for that you really want to help out. You can also join the Patreon I'm a Foil Fanatic only one ninety nine a month. You get access to all the episodes early plus ad free, and there will also be some bonus content on there too. Doing a little side show that's exclusively for the Patreon be a lot more conspiracy themed, but it's worth checking out if you're into that type of stuff. Again, it's only one dollar ninety nine cents a month. Starting to get a few members here and there. Definitely appreciate you guys that are signing up. Hope you guys have been enjoying it. You can also find me on Facebook. Look for a Brandon tenfoil Tells. Add me on there. You can talk with me that way. Also look for ten foil Tels on all the social media's. There is a tenfoil Tels page on Facebook, there's an Instagram x all that good stuff. But I think now we're gonna go ahead and bring John on again. Like I said, I've been looking forward to talking with him. I enjoy my conspiracies. I hope you guys do too. So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Like take time to welcome my guest tonight, John, Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Yeah. Man, good to be with you and your listeners and looking forward to it. You want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself, Sure, Yeah, this is my I think I've done about fifty interviews now just out here in the podcast world. It actually inspired me to start my own podcast. I've been on YouTube for about seven years, primarily covering providing a biblical analysis of the Mandela effect, and that's been my main path that I've been on. But you know, I'm a full what do you call it, equal opportunity conspiracy theist kook, So I pretty much him down any every rabbit hole you can probably imagine. So these conversations tend to go in all different directions. So I bet what made you start to become a truther? Oh, well, it was it was back around the time McCain was running for president. I think it's what I remember, and that's I was day trading in those days, and I remember finding out that the Federal Reserve wasn't federal. That was my entry point into the truther world. And prior to that, I was just enormy, you know, like it's so weird looking back, just completely your brains shut off, you know, you're not questioning really a lot. And then I found out the Federal Reserve wasn't federal, and then I did what a lot of people do when they see behind the curtain for the first time, they go, well, if that's not true, what else isn't true? And that statement, that little inner dialogue, I believe is the genesis of the Truther because these two groups which we try to put a handle on one is the normy or the unconvinced, have a presenting characteristic which is opposite of the Truther. The normy exhibits the commitment to not know and not want to know, so they're very recalcitrant. They don't want to see your evidence. If you show it to them, they're agitated, they flip off into vitriolic personal attacks. It's very irrational and very difficult to deal with. And they're basically shutting you down, shutting you down, shutting you down. That's I don't know and I don't want to know. Talk to the hand right. Whereas the Truther has adopted this well if that's not true, what else isn't true? Mentality, So now they're turning over every rock. So it's literally diametrically opposed. And this is why I wrote the book, because that that massive shift in priorities and ideals and worldviews breaks up families right and left. Lifelong friends will tell you, you know, hey, Brandon, it's been great, but if you keep talking about these crazy things. You know, I can't hang out with you. My spouse told me after twenty four years of marriage, I don't want to be married to you or in two different worlds, And I ended up finding out that that's actually very common. It's not the truther. It's not you truther. Ninety nine percent of the time, it's not you that says, Hey, if you don't talk to me about these things I've discovered, I can't have a relationship with you. Right. Do we ever say that, no, no, no, But they, the normy, the unconvinced, comes to us, God bless their soul, and they say, if you don't, if you don't stop talking about crazy things, I can't have a relationship with you. I call that shut up or else orders. We get those all the time. So you're forced to then adopt their worldview. By living a lie. You essentially are put in a corner and a time out with a dunce cap on a tinfoil hat, which is a shaming image, and you have to then pretend you believe like they do by being silent for the rest of your life if you want to stay and rapport with them. That's the ultimatum you're given and if it's your wife or husband and your kids, you have to do it. But it's a hell on Earth scenario because you know, you don't have a relationship if somebody tells you if you try to disclose what's important to you at any time, then I don't want to have relations to it that relationships require mutual respect. And so what they're basically saying is, I'm not going to allow you to be who you are. I don't want to know who you are. I don't want you to be who you are. That's wicked. Yeah, it's the way I feel about things. And when I start talking to people about certain topics, I know they look at me like this guy's he's off the rocker or something. And it's even with my kids and everything else, Like they're down here in the basement, so I know they're probably listening to me because some of your bedrooms are down here. But like, I don't dive into a whole lot of things about certain topics just because when I talk with my wife and stuff, and I say saying, she's like, gives me a bird look here and there, because there's a lot of things that I don't believe the mainstream agenda. I don't believe the cover story that's put out there for certain things. They were talking about the moon landing not long ago and stuff like that. I'm just like, I don't believe it. And when you talk to people about that, just the average person, they don't want to hear it. No, they don't like to have their world not make sense to them because everything that they have been told could be a lie and they can't rationalize that. They don't want to accept that. They want to live in the bubble of Nope, this is what happens, and this is how it is, and that this is how I live and everything's fine. It's what's so stunning, too, Brandon, is it's so universally the same, Like we are a minority in the human race and especially in the United States, and the universality of it is pretty incredible. Like my experience is so like people post all the time, John, my kids don't talk to me, John, my spouse divorced me, John, my parents you know, my parents don't talk to me. I mean, it is common, and so you basically are forced to decide how you're going to manage that because you can't really go back. Once you see, you can't unsee. It's like the Truman, like Truman in the movie Truman Show. I mean, imagine if Truman discovers he lives in a TV studio, his whole world's fake, and then he just goes, Ah, what difference does it make? I still got to go to work, don't I Yeah, i'd be unthinkable. That's kind of how I felt it about it when people's when I talked about flat Earth and everything else, like and like it, if the Earth is round or if it's flat, at the end of the day, we all still have to go do the same job. Yeah, well they always say, people always say that, but that's not really true. In other words, the only way you can say, what difference does it make if the Earth is flat, I still got to work is if you don't believe it's flat, Because if you find out that the world is flat and stationary, it rocks your whole world. It turns your world upside down. Now you still go to work. Yeah, but it does make a difference. It makes a huge difference. Because you find out you find out you're a rat in a maze, you find out you live in a snow globe and you find out that ninety percent of the people around you don't know it, and so you suddenly realize that you're not in Kansas anymore, and it's it's completely unsettling. It's very, very disruptive thing to find out the Earth is flat and stationary with a dome over it. And you can sit there and tell me it doesn't matter. No, No, what you're really saying is I don't believe you, and it doesn't matter. That's what you're really saying. My biggest thing is when it to that topic, I don't necessarily believe or don't believe in the whole space theory just because it doesn't make any sense to me. Like the distances and the lights. And I've mentioned this before, like we're looking at stars that are millions of lights in the way. Yeah, so those stars might not even exist anymore, but we're still seeing them in the same spots where they've always been at a certain time of the year. Like even though we're all traveling, it's spiral lingering around and everything's moving, stars are always in the same area and they still look the same. But it's like, yeah, none of that makes any sense. It's almost like they're trying to make it seem like it's so vast and we're so small that there's nothing more, Like we're just nothing. Billions and billions of gallony. Yes, yes, well they even tell you you're insignificant. That's what they want you to play. That's the whole idea of the round, spinning ball Earth. It's the same goal as the monkey to the Man picture. They put that in front of us when I was kindergarten, and that's to try to get you to accept the idea that there's no God, that God didn't create you, you're you evolved, and the spinning ball Earth in the billions and billions of galaxies universe, it's the same message. You're an insignificant speck in an endless sea of planets and stars. No, no, when you find out that you live in a snow globe, Okay, there's a dome over this flat stationary plane, and this is it. The stars revolve around us. The North Star has been in the exact same place for centuries. Yeah, it's impossible if we're supposedly spinning at eleven hundred miles an hour, revolving around the Sun at sixty six thousand, six hundred and sixty six miles an hour, whatever that number is, and then the Solar System's hurtling through at five hundred thousand miles an hour, and then the Galy you know, it's come on. You're going in four different directions, and there's these these like uh pathways in the pyramids where you can go down as certain you know, you can look up and the nor the stars are lined up there. Well, they supposedly built those things five six thousand years ago, so for six thousand years that star has been in the exact same place since the pyramid was built. Has it moved its alignment? No, But we're turtling through space. It's come on. I thought I saw something earlier tonight, and it made me crack up because I remember watching it live. Remember when the guy did the space jump. He's like twenty three miles up there, and like all the cameras and everything were all fish eyes. But like you can see this big old curvature from up there, and they claim it's twenty three miles up but like if you look at how much curve there was, there's almost like too much curve to the photo because it would't have made any sense to have that much curvagure because almost was like the entire world. You can see it where the curved down. Then you're only like twenty three miles in here. Yeah. Not only that, but there was one shot from inside the capsule where it didn't have a fish eye lens. And I believe they do that on purpose. That's not an accident. They always put an obvious clue in the deception. I believe it's part of the incantation, like a pinch of bat wing and a pinch of a dead man's grave. You know, they have to show you, hey, look, if you look fit closely, you'll see that the earth is flying. They have to put it right in front of your face, because that's part of their Luciferian dog one of being the illuminated ones. Then they have permission. Well, it's part what happens is if you're stupid enough to look at the incredible mountains of evidence and still cling to the narrative, then that gives permission. According to Thesalonians Chapter two, where God says he sends strong delusion for those who are in wilf ignorance, so it gives the demons permission to enslave your mind. That's why people's brains are shut off. The matrix has a naturalistic component, but there's also a metaphysical component, definitely. I've always said, in the best way to describe this and I don't know how to make it sound not like this, but it's almost like a simulation to an extent, like we are here in like a video game too, Like there's different levels and we are on this level, and then when you get your things, like and I've mentioned this before, like with my show, it's not just conspiracy. We deal with alien stuff. We deal with cryptid stuff, supernatural stuff. I said, all this things, what if they're all just from the other levels of reality? Like we are on our plane here. What if there's something from the fourth dimension that keeps coming into our dimension like they're on level four, we're own level three. Sure, and it kind of bleeds together. And the only way to come back to that is like, which you think of a god, God, the creator, Well, maybe he's the designer. He's the creator. That's what God actually is, like he has made us here. And I'm not a super religious person by any means or anything like that, but to me, that's the easiest way for me to explain it to someone else is look at it from this point of view. I'm not saying it's like the matrix or we're all plugged in to a machine and like the movies say, but I think in general life itself it's a lot different than what we think it is. Well, sure, I mean, without even getting into dimensions, you can think in terms of the electromagnetic spectrum, where you've got radio waves all the way on the left, and then you've got microwaves, then infrared radiation. There's a small band in the middle which is visible light. That's the spectrum that we're able to proceed with our optical organs, and then you have ultraviolet X rays and gamma rays. Well, you know, there's radio signals going through my room here, but I can't hear them, but they're there. So in a similar way, I would agree that there's a spirit realm. There are dimensions like time and other dimensions above that. The Bible speaks about the first, second, and third heavens, and the simulation theory is pretty pretty prevalent. I actually flew up to Massachusetts about six months ago to speak at the International Mandela Effect Conference, and one of the speakers was Tom Campbell, who is a physicist and he's one of the leading thought leaders in this narrative that we live in a simulation. So I said, well, you know, I got a chance to question. I said, Tom, in your narrative does this because basically the story is if you're in a video game. Basically, okay, you're you're like Super Mario and you're experiencing this you know, realm. But I said, is in your narrative, is there a creator of the simulation? He said yes. I said, do you know who it is? He said no. I said, okay, well that's a religion. You have no scientific evidence that you're in a simulation. You're guessing. Now the observations that you're making can be subscribed to the biblical worldview, where God is the creative of the simulation, and just as technology advances, you're going to start to be able to see a little bit behind the curtain. But that doesn't mean that there's no God, because that again is the narrative behind the simulation. It's the same as the monkey to the man or the spinning ball or simulation theory is very seductive if you don't want a holy God ruling over you. Because basically I said, well, do you have any idea who created? He said, well, it's either advanced aliens or it's a consciousness cloud that evolved over eons. That was his answer. I've never looked at it in the sense of, like to a religious point. I've always said God, I don't know which God, but there is an ultimate creator, and I've always said God would be that person. Now I know there's a different Every religion has their own quote unquote God, but to me, it's all just one God. And I don't know. Like I said, I'm not a religious person, so I don't necessarily I grew up as in a Pentecostal family, appreciate family, and it's just not really my type. Like I'm just I don't go to church or anything like that. I don't have anything against people that do. It's just not what I do. But I just always felt like, if you're a good person, do good things, try and be good. That's just how I don't know. Like I said, I don't I don't want to go into the whole about me type spill, but I know you have a background in ministry. I do. How did that play out into what you're doing now? Like, are you still involved with it? Yeah? I mean I got saved when I was twenty three. I was a hell raiser and God came Taptain, tapped me on the shoulder, got my attention, and I started. I mean, I was radically converted, you know, in this church. And so then you know, I ended up going to Bible School and went into the ministry. For about ten years. I was a worship leader and a youth pastor in a large church. And then I got married and I was in lay ministry for another twenty years. So I've been in and around the church, yeah, for about thirty years. Now. At this point, a lot of people are leaving the church to find Jesus because the church has adopted so many seeker sensitive tactics and commercialized systems that it's really becoming difficult to remain you have integrity, especially with the Bible changes. This is causing a lot of people to leave the church because the Mandel effect is not only affecting names, places, movie lines, It's affecting the Bible, and the church at large does not want to hear that. So it's sort of a great separation that's taking place. That's kind of what I cover on my channel. You mentioned the Mendela effect and how you've looked into it. What led you to What was the first thing you noticed that got you down into the Dull effect? Well, yeah, when you're in this row, you're in this mode of like I said, if that's not true, what else isn't true? You're your filter comes off. There's a part of your brain called the reticular activation center, and it filters out everything that's inconsistent with your paradigm. So once you're open to questioning the official narrative and you know things that come across your radar, you're much more able to be like Aristotle who said the mark of an educated man is the ability to consider a matter without embracing it. That is the opposite of the unconvinced. They're very closed minded and very short and don't want to hear it. So now you're a truther, and so I'm assuming along. I think, you know, after I found out the Federal Reserve was a federal I think the next thing I saw was the moon landing. I remember looking into that sort of as I was waking up, and it took me about five minutes looking at the after my entire life believing in NASA and everything in five minutes, you know, because my eyes were open now and I could accept. Well, then boom. Next thing was nine to eleven that happened shortly after that, and that was a seminal thing for a lot of people. If you were able to watch the nine to eleven documentaries like Loose Change and still believe the official story, then you are just in the tank for the officialdom. I can't help you. I mean, it's so obvious. Building seven, man, come on now, Building seven is like, come on, I mean, you got architects for nine to eleven truth, two thousand architects, signs, affidavits, and these guys I've watched the interviews are like, hey listen, pal, I build buildings like this and I knock them down. Okay, that's what I do. And I'm here to tell you that Building seven was brought down by control demolition period. Yeah. I remember actually seeing it happen live on television, and it came down just like the other ones. But it came down like if you ever watched where they blew up the like buildings from like Vegas. It came down exactly like that, Like it looked like it was just a normal demolition. It was free fall speed, which is impossible because each of the floors are built to withstand up to three times the weight of the floor above it. So if you you know, the official story is that the buildings girders were weakened by the fire from debris. I mean, it didn't even get hit by a plane, it just got a debris. So let's just let's just play this out. So you've got a fire, okay, it's raging, okay, and the girders are weakening. So then the top floor collapses first, let's say, and it falls into the floor below it well in order for it to fall at free fall speed, which it did clearly. They measured that using video and computer technology. You could see using the video replay that it felt exactly at free fall speed, which means there's no resistance, like dropping a brick off the edge of a building. It falls freely. Well, how could that be if you have the floor below it holding up up three times it's its own weight. It's impossible. And the next one and the next one, I think it was like thirty floors or something. I think it's like thirty seven. Yeah, yeah, So anyway, you know, I'm like, and then the media was lying too. That was a big revelation. So then you go from there. The iss are on wires and there's bubbles coming out of their helmets and then comtrails, you know, and then you find out about the thirteen families, and then the whole government. You know, Democrat Republican thing is a fake thing, you know, thinking your vote counts, and then there's underground bases. You know. I did a stint on clones and reptilians. You know, every civilization going back to the Sumerians record, you know that there's these reptilian dudes that are ruling the earth from the shadows. What are they all making it up? I mean, you got it in the Book of Genesis. In Genesis chapter one, you got a talking snake standing upright talking to Eve. Did God really say that? Because then God cursism. It says you're gonna crawl on your belly. So you got a standing up, talking snake presented to you in the Bible, So who knows what that's all about. They got the Draco's running things from the shadows. And then then I'm like, so mine melted by this time. And then somebody, Oh, this pastor I was with, he was in the tank for nine to eleven. He was watching all the same thing I was, and he still wouldn't believe it. And he goes like this. He goes, John, is there anything you won't believe? He says, there's people out there that believe the Earth is flat. That's the first time I ever heard about flatterth and I remember it just kind of bounced off me for like two weeks, and then something came up on my feed on YouTube and I started looking at it. I think it was Eric Dubay. I mean it was like five minutes. Again, I was like, holy crap, this is absolutely unbelievable. It's undeniable. There isn't a mentioned in the Bible though, about the Earth basically being a level plane. And then there's like the four corners or the four pillars that's mentioned in there. Oh, there's so much in the Bible to tell you that the Earth is not a spinning ball. I mean, but let's just this is so easy. This is so easy to accept. If the Earth is round, why is it flat? Okay, because anybody listening to me can do this and understand that flat Earth is probably one of the most triggering conspiracy theories that I've ever come across. Most people will go ballistic if you try to suggest that the Earth is round or flat. Years ago, I used to laugh when people would say Earth is flas like I can believe a lot of crazy things. I was like, how that doesn't make any sense, and then you actually start to go down that rabbit hole, like you said, Within a few minutes you're like, oh, Now. The reason what's funny though, and this is so ironic, is the reason most of the time that people are so triggered is in their mind they think, how can you say the Earth is flat? We have pictures, That's what they're thinking, We have pictures from space. Well, guess what, dear soul, what you're relying on is a cartoon. David Simmon of NASA from the Goddard Institute, in an article in an interview, stated that the Big Blue Marble is made out of twelve strips of data sewn together, and then he added color and clouds and used photoshop to put it all together. Now they're admitting that because people like you and I have forced them into the open. But what's happening is people are relying on this image as their solid proof, not having any idea that NASA's lying to them, telling them that this is a picture of the Earth from space, when it actually is a cartoon. It isn't a picture of the earthroom space. It's an image, and its image is a likeness. It's a fakery. And so then you also have the picture of the Earth from the moon, which is called earth Rise, and it's supposedly the first picture taken from the the moon of the Earth. Well, that also has been subjected to photoshop. If you put that picture, anybody can do it into photoshop and change the contrast, and a perfectly square artifact appears around the image of the Earth. And photo experts will tell you the only explanation for that it was cut and pasted in there to deceive people. So guess what, dear soul. If you're a round earther and you think we're tricked by photoshop tricks, it's actually you that is tricked by photoshop tricks. You believe the Earth is round because NASA told you so. We, on the other hand, are trusting, not what we're told, but what we see. Okay, So here's you can do this anywhere you want, forty or fifty miles. Let's take fifty miles. There should be about sixteen hundred feet of curvature according to NASA. According to both spherical and plane trigonometry, the numbers are very close. So it does it matter. The math is not wrong. If the Earth is twenty six thousand miles around or should, you can measure the curvature using trigonometry and it comes out to be about eight inches per mile squared. So one mile of Earth should have about eight inches of curvature. That's not up for debate. That's as certain as one plus one equals two. Or if you roll a die, you got a one and six chance of rolling a three. Okay, is absolutely certain. There's eight inches of curvature. If the Earth is round, at two miles, there's sixteen inches. At three miles, there's thirty two, sixty four, et cetera. Eight inches per mile square. So at fifty miles you have about sixteen hundred feet of curvature. So if you go to Myrtle Beach, let's say go to North Myrtle Beach, you can look down the beach and there's a hotel about forty miles away, so it's like twelve hundred feet and you can take binoculars and you can see the bottom of the hotel. You could do it everywhere you go. So my question to all of you listening, if you're convinced the Earth is round, why is it flat? Where's the curve? You can't find it anywhere? When are you going to stop believing what you're told they're lying to you. NASA was created out of Operation paper Clip after the Nuremberg trials. Yeah, they killed off ten or twelve of the scientists, but then they brought fifty over here. Werner von Braun was a NASA, a Nazi scientist, and they made him the head of NASA. NASA means deception in Hebrew. And the sigil is a serpent's tongue. And yes, do you mean all of the space programs of the entire Earth? Or and yes, because every single space program has the same serpent tongue. Look it up. They all have a little V a little somewhere in their sigil, all of them. So the whole thing is run by Satan and it's all designed to enslave us in this closed system, thinking we're on the spinning ball and there's no God and you're just an insignificant spec No. No, you live underneath the heaven where God says the earth is my footstool. And the Bible says that God set the firmament in the sky and Book of Genesis, and the word firmament means a hard, impenetrable barrier. That's what it means. I was thinking about this while you're talking. I have a feeling someone's going to go out there and try and disprove what you're talking about. So every square mile would be eight inches, and he said forty miles, so it then just be eight inches befer times forty. Basically it'd be you said, like twelve hundred feet. I think it'd be only like, oh no, you can. You could do this easily. There's curvature calculators on the internet. So I'll pull one up here and there's four of them. Hold on, Curva, sure I spilled it wrong, curve it sure, help you later. I have an in depth earth curvature calculator, in depth thing. It's called round Earth Mind Control. It's on my YouTube channel. But wait, coup or else. I just think it because every three miles would be two feet, all right, So this is kilometer, it's gonna be miles, all right. So one mile is zero point sixty seven feet, Two miles is two point sixty seven five miles, sixteen ten twenty fifty miles, Yes, fifty miles is sixteen hundred and sixty seven feet, okay. So I did it in depth analysis on the Chicago skyline because there was a guy that rented a boat and he filmed from one side to the other. The whole time you could see the city, which dispelled the idea that its atmospheric. It's not. I know from there's a place in Michigan City where you can go to the beach up here by Chicago on the Indiana side, and you can go out on the lake like Michigan and you can look across the lake and you can see Chicago. Yeah, exactly, it is forty something miles away. Yep. So I used Rob Sciva's video, And that reason I used his video is because the only other argument is you're not factoring in the height above sea level or the height of the observer and the height of the object. So with that video. The boat that they rented had the Sears Tower locked into the GPS as the point that they were going to, so when they took a picture at forty miles away, they were able to tell that they were exactly forty miles away from the Sears Tower from the GPS. Then I measured, I looked up how what where's Lake Michigan above sea level? And then I added eight feet so the guy standing on a boat. Then I knew the sea level for the Sears Tower and the height of the Sears Tower. So I had all of the metrics of the math exactly correct, the exact distance, the exact height above the sea level of both observer and object. So you can't tell me that the math is wrong. I got it nailed down. I have the exact distance, so then I know exactly how many inches of curvature there should be, and I know the exact height of the building. You should only have seen the very tip of the building, and you could see three quarters of it in the picture, which would have been impossible. Pace closed the flatter the flatterth episode I had with David White was one of the first interviews I did. It was like episode thirteen or something like that or twelve or something. That was the biggest controversial episode that I've had so far, that had the most downloads and had the most views on YouTube, and then it all of a sudden, it just kind of went dead, and I was like, well, they got banned because but there are so many people on their commenting and then arguing about how it's wrong, and like all the other videos that I produced sometimes might get a little interaction, but I think that was the one that got me instantly red flagged, and then another one came out and got me banned. So my YouTube itself, there's like seven hundred and something subscribers, but I just don't feel like it's it doesn't gain attention, and I have a feel it's because they're not putting me in distribution because of some of the things that we've talked about on my show. And but when it comes to flatter, that was like the most interaction that had within like a twenty four hour span, and then all of a sudden it just died, and it's like videos hasn't gotten any more increased in views. I had like over two thousand views in like less than twenty four hours and it just stopped, like everything about it, Like the video is gone. It's there, but like it's no one's watching it. So it's just strange to me. How why they're so secretive about that. You can find all sorts of videos, and you used to be able to find all sorts of stuff on YouTube, but now if you look up anything for flat Earth, most of the stuff you find is people debunking flat Earth. Well, the biggest argument, which is so ridiculous is it's atmospheric. The reason that you can continually see the entire Chicago skyline, I'm told, is because it's being bent around sixteen hundred feet of curvature twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, and then it's going around this giant curve and then hitting my eyes every time of the day. Right. And my response to that is, no, you can't see around corners, dear soul, that's not history. All of recorded history tells you you can't see around corners. And atmospheric lensing actually works in our favor because if you put a pencil into a glass of water, you'll see that the refraction goes down. So the refraction would actually would actually push the image down towards the ground, not up over the curve. Now you can have what's called a superior mirage, which periodically can project the image higher up in the sky, but it's usually inverted. But it requires very rare atmospheric circumstances to have that. And what the video shows us is the captain of the ship says that he can see the Chicago sky lion every day when he's out there. It's always there. It's like, what are you talking about. As long as it's clear, you can't see through fog. But if it's a clear day, you can. You can see the Sears Tower and it's like fourteen hundred feet tall, and there it is forty miles away. Well, that's impossible if it's round. So if it's not atmospheric and the math is correct, you have to suggest we're lying, but you'd have to prove that. And then the only other objection as well, it's flat there, but the earth is still round. But that's not true either. You haven't proven that, and you can repeat this thing everywhere you go, so that's not it either. So it's flat. I'm sorry, you know, it's very unsettling to find out you had the wool pole over your eyes. I think it's mostly pride that keeps people from being like, Okay, lighthouses would be impossible on a round Earth. Mariners will tell you you can see a lighthouse from fifty miles away on a clear night. Well, the tallest lighthouse is four hundred and twelve feet tall, so it's fifty miles is sixteen hundred feet of curvature. And it's like you can see in some places one hundred and fifty miles away. So once you see enough examples, you don't really need to go into all the other examples that are also cooberating. For me, it's just that's where the debate ends. Even with pilots. If you've ever been able to talk to a pilot and they straight up admit they don't see curvature. Oh they all know, but they can't say anything because they'll lose their job. But they tell me. When I go to airports, I see the air you know, pilots are waiting to get their flight, right. I go up to say, guys, how's business excellent? Go good? Hey? I know you guys don't do this on a record. I'm not recording anything, but you know, they're just flat, right, And they go, yeah, it's flat. Yeah, they can't say anything though. Yeah, I've always and this is what we talked about before, and I want to kind of jump into the Mendela effect here, but they close up here with flatter. Why do you think it is such a big thing for them to throw that out there? Because if you read history, and everyone back in history always said the Earth was flat, why all of a sudden they change a narrative that it had to be around. And I know, like everyone says, oh, it's because they want to control people. But I don't see why being around or flat. If they knew they were flat and you can't go anywhere, it's just flat plane, What is the round? What's the concept why it has to be around? Well, one of the components of that is the dome. Now, I always grew when I grew up, all my years on this world, I believe the Earth was a spinning ball of gases. That's what they told me. You know, it's a spinning ball of gases in it. Over millions of years, it's solidified and became the Earth. Okay, so that doesn't require a god for that to happen. That's that's science telling you that that's how we got here. So where'd the gases come from? Well, you can go down that route. But here's my point. What if you've found out there was a dome, why are they guarding the South Pole so vociferously because you can go down there and you can see where the dome attaches to the earth. Well, if there's a dome, you know there's a creator of the Yeah, finding out there's a dome would be the greatest evangelistic event in human history. It would basically prove at least there's a creator. It's no longer evolution. And you know science tells us everything. No, it does. No, somebody created this place. Then it's a very short leap to either embracing the biblical worldview or aliens, whichever one you want. But it ain't evolution, bro. So that's the real problem. That's the reason for the deception. And let me make this statement. The fact that it's logistically difficult or unlikely is not proof. The fact that I can see fifty miles and I can see the entire hotel is proof. The fact that you would have to keep all these people quiet and the government can't keep that many is not proof. That's an a priori argument, that's a conjecture. I have evidence out the wazoo. That's only one. We could go to gravity. We could go to the fact that a pressure system can't function without a barrier. We can go to all kinds of easily accepted empirical evidence that you don't need a Hubble telescope or some PhD to confirm. It's easy natural science. You can observe it, measure it, repeat it, and it tells you there's no curve. I've mentioned this recently. What I do I oversee construction projects like highway stuff, bridges. When bridges are designed and build it is never they don't use curvature. There's no calculation for curvature when you build a bridge. Now, some bridges are small enough to where you wouldn't really have it. But like when you build mile long bridges, multiple milelogue expansions, like when they have down across the Keys and Florida and everything. Yeah, none of those had any curvature involved in it. Suppose I don't know, I didn't design it. I'm just no, that's true. I've seen the what do you call it? When you survey survey. Thank you the surveyors handbooks. I've seen different documents from builders. Yes, they have no factor for curvature. And I've seen declassified NASA documents for these are aeronautic design documents for flights for planes, I mean, and it states this, the specs for this airship are designed to function over a flat stationary plane. That's what it says. And the gyroscope tells you. I had to interviewed a commercial helicopter pilot and we talked about how the gyroscope would act if what we're told is true. So if you're flying over a curvature, you'd have to nose down pretty regularly to stay without, you know, so you don't go out into space. And he said, if you nose down, it's going to put an led in a tone will come up on his gyroscope, so and it doesn't ever happen, so he is flying level, not nosing down. They tell you that the gravity automatically does it like gravity is the answer to all of their you know problems. It's so ridiculous. Yeah, I've noticed that too. And if you question anything about gravity, then you're basically saying you're uneducated. You're stupid. I was like, can you explain growdy? Yeah, you take everything drops, drop a pin on the ground. You're saying that because everything just goes to the ground, And you're saying gravity is the reason everything comes down to the earth because of gravity. That's just a term someone made up to justify why things fall. Like, I don't think there's ever been any honest proof scientifically or gravity. I know there's calculations or whatever they figured out, but it's just I don't know. Like I said, I'm not a scientist. I'm not going to sit here and say I know everything. But just when you start to dive into certain things, it never adds up. When they say trust the science or do this and that, Like sometimes a science doesn't make any sense. We're like, well if it doesn't make any sense to you, it doesn't mean it's wrong. Well it doesn't mean it's right either. Right, there is no They asked Neil cut the grass Tyson, do we know what gravity is? And he said no. Einstein said the same thing, So you can. You can explain what we're observing with density and buoyancy just as easily as gravity and that things There isn't there. What you what people don't want to accept is there isn't up and a down in the It's God's universe and he set up the rules, so there's a down and things go down when they're more dense. Why does the balloon go up when it has helium. It's not. It's just so obvious. We've been lied to and we have to we have to stop trusting Fauci. That's what it is. M H. People trust the system still. They can't fathom that the system is weaponized against them, it wants their demise. They still embrace the idea that the power structure are, you know, public servants. Maybe a little in that, maybe a little corrupt, but they're not trying to slow kill us. Yes, they are luciferian blood drinking psychomobsters that wants you dead. That's what the Georgia guidestones tells you. That's what Ted Turner said in an interview. Yeah, we need to reduce the population by ninety percent. I have a list. It's two full pages of quotes from globalists stating that they're eugenicists and they want to reduce the population. Bill Gates admitted it under Ted talk. Hey, if we do a good job with vaccines, we can reduce the population by fifteen percent. They're telling you they want to kill you, so of course they're gonna lie to you. Yeah, no one seems to care, and the ones that do are considered kooks. Well that's why I call my ministry wake up or else. And some people don't like that name. They say it's threatening. But I'm like, you get to a certain point in a fistfight and the guy pulls a knife now, and you realize the stakes just went way up. Now you're going to take the guy out. He's going to take you out. You start going for like throat shots or you know, if you don't have a weapon yourself. And we're in that moment in time when you know, the velvet glove of tyranny has come off and these people are going for broke. I mean, there's ten thousand people a day coming over the border. It's over ten million now, and a lot of them are military aged men. This is war. That's the one thing I've been kind of wondering about if that's not just something they're kind of feeding to because that's an awful lot of people coming over there, saying and I feel like they're feeding that number just to draw more unrest with people for some reason. And you mentioned reptilians. I've always said that, not only but my thing is, I feel like, get my ten flow hat on here. Basically, these reptilians feed on the negative vibrations and the negative energies and everything they make the civil unrest. They implement all the stuff out there to try and draw all these bad vibrations, and they want to keep everyone at war. They want to keep everyone miserable, and that's how they survive because they're feeding off us with all the negativity and everything that we see on TV and everything that they produced and everything out there is basically more ways to make everyone hate each other. Man. You couldn't be more right. I just saw it the other day. I saw because every once in a while I'll go over to Google News just to see what the data is. Here is trying to preach, you know, like you're saying, And they had this thing on there, King Kim Jung ill whatever, the North Korea guy launched a new test missile and I started laughing because of what you're saying, because I'm thinking, Okay, for the last seven years, this guy's been launching a test and nothing's ever happened. No, Oh, they're they're feeling like something's coming on. And then you got all the stuff going on now over in the Middle East, and I don't believe any of them. I'm like, I'm like you are, I'm like, I'm done being like let around by the nose man because I just went out to eat today. I still you know, you know what I'm saying, It's not really like that now. It's so bad now that I don't see how things could continue to grind on for another decade. You know, the financial system is the dollar is done. I mean the bricks have basically demolished the dollar. So when that happens, I don't know, Man, it's gonna it's got to come to a head pretty soon. It is an election year, so every election year some of the crazy things happened the last one. We've seen what happened during twenty twenty. So I'm just that. You remember when those metal obulists came out during twenty twenty. Yeah, they just had another one come out here over in England like a few days back. What was that all about? You think? I don't know if someone's just doing it. I don't know whatever happened with them. The first one was out in the desert. Yeah, I think it was a utah or something, and it's been out there for a couple of years and no one noticed it. And then once it became popular because of the news or whatever, someone went out there and stole it. Supposedly they drove out there and stole it. It's like nowhere to get to huh. So whoever took it out there made no sense of how they even got it out there and where they took it. And the random ones started popping up places, and now this one just randomly showed up in England. I was like, well, I wonder if it's the Harbinger again. I'm waiting for the disease X to happen and everything else for the good old election year. My buddy said something, and not to get myself flagged here, but I feel like there's gonna be some sort of civil unrest here in the summertime. It's like we're on repeat. Yeah. Well, one interesting line of discussion is the idea of the black hat white hat narrative. So you got Trump and the military and that whole and the Q thing, which if it was real, got co opted, and Trump's a shill and there is nobody coming to save us. Okay, that's or Trump's a black hat shill. But and there's no white hat. There's nobody good like working on behalf of humany. We're toast. Everybody's toast Tyranny wins. Okay. So what I've been doing for the last six years is I've been watching the white hat narrative. And that's what I call good news truthers. And I'm not endorsing these people. I'm just telling you this is the narrative that's out there. The narrative is there, whether it's real or not remains to be seen. So these are people like Charlie Ward, who supposedly the chief spokesman for the quantum financial system, which is a really tough thing to swallow. I mean, there's so much misinformation in that narrative. And then you've got Simon Parks, mel k Juano, Salvon X twenty two Report, Benjamin Fulford, Jocko, all of these pundits, and they're all like General Flynn, so they're all like they invoke God and they're all patriotic, so they're nice, and they're they're campaigning for you know, freedom, small government, low taxes, against the tyranny, and so they're the white hats. And the narrative there is that Trump actually is still in control, he's still recognized as the president by the military, and then he and the military are going around vanquishing all the bad guys and the collapse the Vatican and the Three City States. And then eventually, once enough bad has been shown to everybody, the population will accept a military intervention. Okay, that's the narrative. Now, it's such a difficult fill to swallow for so many reasons that I'm not saying I believe it. But what I am saying is I've been watching this and the things that they point to to indicate that there is this secret war going on under the radar, right, and they talk about six hundred thousand sealed indictments. Well, you're watching a cavalcade of these people like Victoria Newlan just stepped down, Nancy Pelosi stepping down, what's that ghoul that was in charge of closing all the farms? And John carry just stepped down. And I got a list, I'm putting it together. It's massive. So now One idea is that these people are stepping down because they're getting their ticket to the bunker, because they're about to release something really new, So they're not losing. In other words, they're not stepping down like the white hat narrative people are saying because they're being vanquished. Prince Charles was just diagnosed with cancer, so he's going off the world stage and all these and the Wrothchilds just sold off the majority of their holdings. I just had a Rothschild episode come out this week. Well that's pretty compelling. If you're the wroth Child you're selling off all your art, you must be trying to raise money. What happened, right, So there's a lot of smoke behind the white hat narrative. So here's my reason why I'm starting to actually gravitate towards this being a possibility. And that's because I'm part of a growing number of believers that feel that we're in this period of time after the Tribulation, after the Tribulation and the millennia. In in the Bible, well, there's a really obscure passage, very short, and it says after the millennial rain, Satan will be loosed again for a little while to deceive the nations. After the Millennial Rain, Satan is loosing. He's thrown into the bottomless pit for a thousand years, and during that time there's peace on earth. Oh, lion will lay down with the lamb. Sorry it's now wolfulllay down with the lamb because of the Mandel effect. But anyway, Christ rules around that one. Yeah, and then the Millennial Rain ends. But that means the mark of the Beast and the tribulation has already happened. Armageddon's happened, millennia rains happened, and now we're in this period of time after this when Satan is loosed again to deceive the nations. If you're living in that period of time, how would you know, Well, there's incredible markers that that's already happened. The mud bloods, the melted buildings, all these buildings all over the world that are built supposedly in the eighteen hundreds in a couple of years, and they're they're as ornate stone carvings as you could ever we and they were supposedly built without stone tools or power tools. I mean, like, do you believe that the pyramids were built by slaves with ropes and pulleys. Not really, no makes sense. No, And all of these buildings that are all over the world are so majestic and ornate in stone carving, and we're told that they were built by these people who were you know, one guy did analysis and he showed this one building, I think it was a cathedral. It required, it required can you hear me? Still? Yeah, you're cutting out a little bit. One million, two hundred thousand pounds of marble had to be quarried from a quarry three hundred miles away. And he calculated even if they had like fifty horse and carrot carts working twenty four hours a day, it would have taken him about ten years to get that much marbled, not two years to build the whole thing. So we're being lied to. And so the narrative is that the Millennial Rain has actually been rebranded as the Dark Ages because Satan has now been released to deceive the nations. Well, the deception is that the period of time where there was this renaissance, when all these buildings were built, is now we're being told as the Dark Ages, when there's no history or recording of anything, and when that ended, all the people that didn't go get in line were put in asylums. There was all these san asylums, and then there's the orphan trains, so they had to repopulate all the different countries these orphan trains, and that's in our history. So all of these factoids are coming up and we're like, oh my gosh, we're actually in the year one thy twenty four. It's not two thousand twenty four, it's one twenty four. Well, now here's why I said all that to say this. If that's true, then we don't have a grid, a biblical eschatology grid of what's coming next, because if you're if you think you're before the tribulation, then you're you're biased towards things getting worse from here on. It like we're going down now, baby. Well guess what if you're in that period of time after the tribulation, we could be looking at the dawn of a renaissance, which is exactly what the white hat narrative is saying. What they're saying is that the quantum financial system is going to come in and it's going to release all of the funds. Well, it's actually better than that, according to them, The Asian elders have like something some enormous amount of gold, like a like a quadrillion tons of gold or something, and they're using that to back this new quantum financial system. So it'll be gold backed and then some silver and plattum, and this system is then going to vanquish all the debt. Everybody's going to get like a ton of money, which makes no sense because who's going to go to work? You know, if you give a bunch of waiters a million dollars, they're not going to go to work the next day. So everything would shut down on some who knows. So that's that's the story of the good news truthers that they're going to release the med beds, which I know are true, and they're going to release six thousand patents and all of this technology, and it's going to be like a renaissance. Well that's their very possible if we're after the tribulation. I wouldn't believe it if we were before the tribulation, when you talk about release like all this money and all everyone gets money in debt. Yeah, I was just thinking a little bit ago when you said Mark of the Beast, what do if you accept something like that? Could that also be considered like the mark of the bee. If you're accepting all of this stuff, you're saying it's for good, it wouldn't Satan and the anti Christ and everything be deceptive. You know, it's a tough question because Revelation thirteen tells us if she causes all small and great to take a mark, and I'm either on the forehead or on the hand. I think it even says the left hand. And if you do that, you can't buy or sell. I'm kind of quoting it from memory, but it's very specific. You have to take a mark that's literally a mark on your your head, on your forehead, or on your hand. And it doesn't say you have to denounce Christ. But most of you know, Bible theologians believe that it's not going to be something you could be tricked into. You're going to have to know what you're doing. So you're going to basically either have the carrot or the stick. You know, you're going to be told, hey, if you take the mark, you'll get this genetic upgrade and you'll live for five hundred years with no disease and you'll live, you know, rich. But you have to say Jesus is not Lord or something like that, right, Or it could be the other way where you're completely shut out of the system and you'll just be left to starve to death, or you could take the mark. So the character is stick, which by the way, is what I actually believe with the white hat and narrative is even if the white hats come in and take over and they release all this good stuff, ultimately they're going to implement the Noah Hyde laws where it's going to be a one world religion anyway, and if you're Biblical like I am, there is no one world religion. Jesus was not mincing words. He doesn't play well with others. He said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the life, and no man comes to the Father except for me. It's a taker to leave it offer. He has no apologies for any human being, because the Bible says in John chapter one, all things that were created were created by him and for him, and apart from him, there was nothing that was made that was made. So he's either the head hancho or he's nothing. And I'm going with that. With that story, I'm going with the Jesus story. No apologies, no you know, like he preaches barn Burner and all these people left. He didn't start fawning after his disciples. He turns to them and goes, are you going to leave me? Also? And they were like, where are we going to go? Well, says the words of eternal life. That's me right there, bro. Jesus is the only one extending this scepter, saying, hey, you follow me, I'll give you eternal life. Buddha, Harry Christa, Muhammad, No, thank you, Satanism, you can have it. Let me hold the door for you. Jesus is lord man. Interesting enough, And like I said, I'm not a super religious person. But the episode is coming out tomorrow and by time this comes out will be whatever. But it's called a Christ before Jesus. Two guys contacted me and they claim that they did all this research and these calculations and everything and basically lay their book. They're trying to say that Jesus wasn't not necessarily real. They think it was based off a real person. But they think the stories from the Bible after we wrote two hundred years after Christ, and they have all those bad at prove it. I was like, again, I'm not a religious person. You guys want to come on here and talk about it, that's up to you. But yeah, I heard a lot of high sounding arguments, but a man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument. And the Bible, you know, is not. It's not something like we decide we're going to reform ourselves and start living according to these rules. It's the other way around. For most people, we meet the author of the Bible in a supernatural encounter. And the best way you can understand is if you've ever had a really vivid dream then you wake up and you're like, whoa, that was so real. Well, you have no scientific proof that it was real, but to you, it was as real as anything you've ever experienced. And it's that level of a visceral interaction with this living God where he will make himself known to you. Okay, there's no question that this God is real, and then the book becomes alive to you, not the other way around. So these guys could could have done all this research, and you know, God has made it so that the intellectual cannot scale the wall to heaven. It says, didn't you notice that not many among you are great, there's not many nobles. God uses the foolishness of the world to confound the wise. So these guys are just running in circles and you know they're going to They're going to meet their creator one day. Because you're not created by some biological process in your mother's womb. You're it's a miracle of how a human body is formed in the womb. You have to have a creator. It can't just happen by it. I don't think they said they were actually raised Southern Baptist, but they were. I don't think they're saying there's no God or anything. They're just saying that the stories of Christ from the Bible were altered or written after the fact. And like I said that that episode was supposed to come out tomorrow, but I want to kind of have been going on here for over an hour. I want to jump in a little bit more about your book, and oh, yeah, you want to let everyone over an hour and now we haven't mentioned the name of your book yet. Yeah. The book is called The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide. It's a guidebook for persecuted truthers. So basically, if you're listening to Brandon or myself or anybody, then you're walking a lonely road because if you've got any friends or family that aren't biting down on this stuff, then they're basically put up a wall for you not to talk about these things. And depending on your cut of your jib, that makes your life really difficult because if it's your spouse and your kids, you got to do life with them. So, yeah, you can keep to yourself. You don't have to ram stuff down people's throats. I get it. But if you, let's say, are like me and you're a content creator, you want to go off and make a difference, and you're giving an ultimatum you've got to completely abandon that stuff, Well, that makes it a little more difficult. And you start finding that you feel like you're living a lie. You feel like you're a compromiser because the truth is important to you. See what happens with the truther is you start to get a sense of urgency because you realize that the system is weaponized against you. So it's not you being obsessed, they're apathetic. And you start to get your head on a swivel and you start to be on a little bit of a mission and you guess what you're right and theyre wrong, and that can create a lot of conflict. And so the book gives you a lot of guidance and you know, different anecdotes and tips on how you're going to make it. It's three hundred pages. It's a guidebook for persecuted truthers. So if that's you, you could pick up a copy of Amazon. You can get it from my website, which is wakeup or else dot com. It's on audio and paperback. It's pretty cool. I'll have all the information anyone that's interested in the show notes, so they can scroll them there and go check it out. I definitely recommend it. I'm going to be getting my copy here soon. Well, actually, I just sent you a free audio version. Yeah, I saw that. It's weird. I I want to actually start ordering physical copies that way, Like when I've interviewed people, I want to have their actual book here with mine. No, that's cool that way. It's just something I think would be cool just to have for namesake, because I don't plan on doing this podcast for the rest of my life. I mean, I don't know how long am I to do it for, but I enjoy it, right now, but the moment I stopped and join when I keep doing it right. But now I'm getting close to one hundred episodes, so that's pretty strong. That's awesome. Yeah, but I want to jump into the Mendel effect. But I want to oh yeah, yeah, we never got to that. Wow. I want to make sure we talk about your book and we'll plug it again here before we wrap it up. But we still got about an hour to go. Cool cool. Well, yeah, this is a mind bender Mendel effect. There is a lot that I remember that is apparently not what I'm supposed to be remembering, and the Mendela effect really messes with me. It does. Well, you're just confusing the Platters Peanut guy with the Monopoly guy, Brandon, Yeah, that's one of them. But I have one thing to say. What's that in the movie Ace Venture when Nature Calls? I know it's a random movie, but yeah, he punches the guy in the face when he comes down the stairs and rose him over his shoulder. Yes, the guy has the monocle on his eye. Why would he have that if that's not what the Monopoly guy look like? And he's like, oh, you must be the Monopoly guy. So even in that movie they made a reference to the guy having a monocle on his eye, right, So we call that residual evidence. And what we're saying is that all of humanity pretty much has these vivid memories and the majority of the data sphere it's been white. So in other words, you can't find any kind of monopoly game where the guy has a monocle. They don't exist, but it's still in the memories of the humans. This process or this phenomenon doesn't affect the memory of most people. It's pretty much intact. So the producers of the writers remembered the monocle and they wrote it into the script, and so it's a it's a glitch. And and then you find toys. I remember one that I have a video of our picture of. This is a card and it says, uh, mirror, mirror on the wall. So this card is from Hallmark and Disney. Both the Hallmark and the Disney logo are on this card. Now, these are two multinational companies, Hallmark and Disney, and both of them have quality control checks and balances for a card to go out. Now, this card has the picture of the witch in front of the mirror, and the caption is mirror, mirror on the wall. Now that's incorrect because the caption she never said that in any version of any of the movies was always magic mirror. That's what they say. It's magic mirror on the wall. All right. Now, explain to me how both Disney and Hallmark allowed a card to go into mass production through the multiple layers of quality control, and it went to market with the wrong caption. How is that possible? And then how could that be possible with not just one example, We have hundreds, not ten, not fifty hundreds. And then you might try to say, well, that's why you have the memory. The companies are just making these mistakes, and then you're confused. No, we're adults, We're not confused. I know what it's like to go to the Christmas party and say, oh, hey Joe and then he goes, oh, no, my name's Jim. I go, oh, oh that's right, Jim. That's misremembering. Let me tell you what this is really like. Your name is Brandon. I want you to imagine tomorrow you wait up and your wife says hi, Boris, and you're like, what I said, Hi, good morning, Boris, Boris who's Boris. You're Boris, And then you go to your bank statements and it says Boris going back twenty years, and your driver's license says Boris, your birth certificate and your credit card and your yearbook, and you're like, the heck's going on? So you go get checked out. You don't have any kind of mental illness, brain tomb or nothing. You're not on any drugs. Here's my question. Is there any possible way that you could come to the conclusion that you were just misremembering your own name all these all these years. I think I'm all my future episodes. I'm gonna start calling myself Boris Boris. Right, You're not gonna go well, I guess maybe I was just misremembering. No, you're gonna be like, I don't care what is going on here. I know my name, bro, my name is Boris when he's Brandon. This is totally freaking me out. You're gonna be freaked out, and you're not gonna have a natural explanation for that. Why because you're Because humans, all of recorded history and all of our life experience tells us that there are some things that are vivid memories, and when you have a vivid memory, you have a very high level of certainty, And when you have a high level of certainty, you have a very high level probability that you are correct. So your memory is correct when you have these Mandela effect memories. The monopoly guy, the Fruit of the Loom logo never had the cornucopia that cone. You know, It's always just been the fruit by itself. Now, all the way back to the original trademark. They didn't change it somewhere along the way. It's always been without the corner coopia. People are like, no way, no way, it's always a corner coup. No, it's never existed in any timeline that we're in. So this is a really exotic mind bending. We don't really know what's happening. We just know that billions of people all remember judge not lest you be judged. It's never existed. It's always been judge not that you be not judged. Or the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away has never existed. It's always been the Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away. We're like, no, all right. We live in our Bibles, we memorize our Bibles, we read the daily devotional. We read the Bible, we go to listen to a guy talk about the Bible. We listen to the guy on the radio, and you know, forget it. It's like, we know this book. We wear Bibles out. I had to get new Bibles because I wore the Bibles out. So don't tell me. I don't know what's in this book. So I had this one lady, she's like seventy five. She calls me up, John, I'm seventy five. I have my King James Bible on my life fifty years. And I looked in at her and said they put their money in a bank, and she said, I knew that that word was never my Bible. So things are changing, yeah, or we're changing. We don't really know what it is. We just know what it isn't it isn't misremembering, and so stop it. Stop trying to tell us, Oh, John, I can clear this up. The human memory is really unreliable. Oh really, that doesn't make any sense of how mass amounts of people have the same memory of something that's not correct. Not only that, but we all misremember it the same way. Yeah, that's statistically outrageous, because sociologists have done studies where they did test groups. They'd have one hundred people let's say watch a video of something, and then they would interview them and they got metrics on it. So anything over about ten percent where all the people misremember the same way is an anomaly. If people, let's say they show a car accident, there's a blue car and a red car, and you have ninety two percent of the people remember the red car as being a yellow car when it was actually a red car, that would be unexplainable. Well, that's exactly what this guy did. He was a sociologist and he did an online survey. This is going back six years ago, and he had a large sampling. It was twenty five thousand people participated, and he asked twenty five different questions. And I remember for sure, I remember miror mirror was ninety two percent remembered mirror mirror, So nine out of ten people misremembered it the same way. No, that's impossible, it's not possible. They would have misremembered it all differently. Somehow mi or mirror got into the minds of all of humanity and thousands of other things. So I'm up here talking to the preachers too, and they'll miss I can go in and I can stump them ten fifteen out of fifteen. Easy, simple. You know this is not like obscure passages from the Book of Ezekiel. I'm talking about, you know, things like judge not less you be judged, And they'll get it wrong, and I'll go right down the line. Boom boom, boom boom, they'll get them all. Hey, pastor who laid down with the lamb all the lion wrong. There's been so many depictions photos of people that have drawn like the lamb and the lion together, Like I remember said that all I just seen someone just probably yesterday, yep. Like it's weird. They're going to make all these like religious things about how the lamblays with the line everything else that is not correct, right, It's like it's so illogical. So I asked him, I said, well, how do you explain this? They said, well, John, I could clear this up. Haven't you ever heard of the telephone game. I'm like, yeah, what do you mean? And they're like, well, I'm sure that maybe fifty years ago somebody inadvertently misquoted and said lion U and that went through the whole world. Like the telephone game. I'm like, really, you're the thought leader in the body of Christ and that's what you're going with. You got to be kidd of me. That's all they got. So I'm like, I'm like, well, who was it that misquoted? Well, I don't know what were the outlets that repeated it enough times to overcome all the other influences. I don't know. So this is a hail Mary guest, did you make? Yeah? All right, Well here I was going to ask, do you remember what time framed roughly that people started noticing when things were starting? In twenty seventeen is when when the Google Google Analytics went straight up, which is fascinating. All right, now, this is an interesting correlation. You can look this up. July I think I got my dates right. I know it's July. I think it's twenty seventeen is when CERN announced that they were turning up the Hauldron collider for the first time, the full full force hundred percent. July twenty seventeen. That's exactly when the Mandela effect Google Analytics chart went straight up on the term adel effect, same exact month and year, I haven't I don't remember what year was I'd have to look real quick, but I remember the X Files came out with those new episodes a few years ago before they ended it, and they had a Mandela Effect episode. Yes they did, I remember, and I'm trying to figure out what year that was. I think it was probably around twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, so that's I was thinking, maybe that's why the rise came up because of a TV show mentioned it, So it had to have started before that, because I remember hearing about the Mendel Effect. I think back like probably ten years ago, and it was just one of those old Reddit conspiracy type lurking in the shadows, things going out there, people not remembering things. But I don't know when it actually When was the first time it was really noticed. Someone said it was in twenty nineteen when cern actually went active for the first time. Well, it's not so far fast. I mean a lot of people chafe at this because it's so exotic and they just refuse to accept the idea that their reality could be morphing. But we do have the too Slit experiment. Are you familiar with that? No? Not, a too Slit experiment is a pure reviewed study they did where they were trying to They were trying to analyze how particles and waves function. So they created this plate with two slits in it, and then behind that was a photoelectric cell that would illuminate when the particles came and hit the cell. So if you're shooting particles through two slits, you would assume that you would then have two lines on the photo electric cell, right, Yeah, So that's what they got until they turned on a camera to observe the particles. So it was a micro It was like a microscope camera, so they could see at the quantum level or a very small level. As soon as they turned the camera on, the effect on the photo electric cell changed to a wave pattern. So imagine you drop two pebbles in a pond and you get cascading waves going out in this direction and towards each other. You get a phase cancelation pattern of about seven or eight lines. Now, turn the camera off, the wave pattern goes back to two lines. Turn the turn the camera on. All they're doing is bringing human awareness into the equation and that particles started acting like waves. The base reality that you live in changes when human consciousness is introduced to the proximity that's what the test proves. Well, that's staggering. Einstein called it spooky from a distance experiment. M all right, so what does that mean. That means that human consciousness actually interacts with the realm, that is that you move in and and I liken it too. The Toy Story Disney movie when the when the adults were out of the room that the uh puppet, we're not puppets. The toys were animated, and then when the humans came into the room, they had to flop down and become in an them. And then conversely, the realm that you're in activates for you to some degree. This is what's happened. This is what was proven by the study. Okay, so now you have a basis for what is happening with the mandelifact that the realm is malleable. The realm is not a fixed solid material realm. It is an energy construct. The table that I'm sitting in front of is actually harmonics, its waveforms. There's nothing solid about it. It's completely an energy construct. What they have ostulated, I think it's the Higgs Boson field is what they postulate gives these energy fields the appearance of solidity to us. But it's all just a video game essentially. So if you're looking at a video game, you know the table isn't real, but you know the guy will run into it just like you will in this video game. Okay, So take that basic understanding, which is not up for debate, and now apply it to Cliff High's studies where he created a spider that went out onto the Internet. Initially, he created it to listen because he's a linguist and a programmer and he wanted to front run stocks. So he created the spider that would go out and listen to what people are saying and hopefully be able to interpret that and give him stock tips. That was the idea. Well, it worked better than he thought, and it was bringing back findings and it was predicting future events. And what he realized he discovered was the the human beings are minorly clairvoyant and that their discussions were foretelling future events. And I was listening to him early on and I remember he would tell there there's a finding in the data set that says that a lake is going to empty out in overnight in Peru. That was one of the first things he predicted. So I put it in my calendar, and I kept listening, and I'm here to tell you two months later, a lake in Peru emptied out overnight. I was like, that's the first time I've ever heard of a lake emptying out overnight, first of all, much less to have a guy tell me it was going to happen in Peru, Okay in advance. So I was like, Holy Moly, disguise onto something. So he then had other predictions. There was another one that was very specific about a small cruise liner would run aground in a certain point. Now that one could have been duplicated, right, it could have been a setup. But then there were other ones. So anyway, that's just to give him some credits. It's Cliff High. He's a genius. So then he pointed his spider the system at the vicinity of where the D wave computers are located. So Columbia has one, Google has one. There's multiple of these D wave computers. They're quantum computers and they operate based on a cubit, which essentially operates on the fluctuations between dimensions. Well, at the quantum level, you're at a different dimension, so it's a dimensional computer. And Jordi rose ted talk said, we deposit he called it the product into the other dimension, and then we retrieve the answer and it works on probabilities. It's very complicated. Basically, it does what a Craze supercomputer would take a year to do, it can do in like two seconds. This is giving example moving towards God like abilities. All right, So this this thing, though, has some limitations and going back to human intent, what they found is that people walked by the cubits, it would trigger it and it would mess it up. So they had to figure out some way to isolate the cubit from human awareness. So they lowered it into a canister and brought it down to close to zero Calvin and that worked. Okay, So essentially what is that That is a human consciousness black hole, a human consciousness vacuum in space. And guess what. When Cliff High pointed his spider at those geographical areas in and around the d wave there was a much higher concentration of reports of Mandela effects around in and around those D wave computers than anywhere else in the country. That to me was the most compelling evidence that these technologies like CERN and D wave are actually part of why there's a Mendel effect because it's all about human consciousness. And here you have at the center of these experiences a human consciousness vacuum, which we know from the two slit experiment is relevant because human consciousness affects the realm. Isn't that interesting? Yeah? What do you think they're actually trying to do at these places? And like what they're doing? Like well, Cern, I know there's oakridge and everything else like these what do you think they're actually attempting to do with these particle accelations? Okay, it's beyond words what I'm about to tell you, Okay, Cern, and I have pretty strong research into this that it was built on an ancient Greek temple that worshiped a polyion Apollos. I'm sorry, the Greek god Apollos was worshiped at this temple. All right, So let me pull up the passage just to give you the chapter verse, all right, scripture the revelation where Apollos a polyon, a polyon comes out. Isn't that just so ridiculous that I don't know where this is? All right? The Fifth Angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven onto the earth and to him was given the key to the bottomless pit. I believe that that scripture right there is talking about CERN. I believe that CERN is the key to the bottomless pit. You're not the first person that I've ye, I've seen that brought up. They said that they think they're trying to bring Satan back by opening up a doorway for him. Yep, see, I thought I had it. Out of this pit comes a polyon the gree three thousands of years ago, and now they've built this largest machine ever built by humans on top of this location and they are trying to And in a French magazine they interviewed the head science director of CERN and he said, we're trying to open a portal and something may come through, or we may sound something through. So both the D Wave and CERN are trying are working on opening dimensional doorways. And you know, these these elites that have ruled the world for thousands of years are deceived, and they believe that Satan is actually the good guy, and that God's the meanie and he's you know, he gave Satan and all the angels a raw deal, and that Satan's actually going to overthrow them, and they think they're on this winning team. And so what they're trying to do is they're trying to build, you know, using the technology that that they're giving the humans to bring him back and give give him access. Uh. And he's going to come back, and they're going to set up this wonderful new kingdom where you can you know, do as thou wilt and live forever in avatars. And they're in for a root awakening. It's not gonna happen. That's the thing I've always tried to I haven't looked into SERN a whole lot about what they're actually doing. I know they claim that there's a particle accelerator and everything else, but like, what is their real end game for this thing? Like what are they trying to do? And someone said that they're trying to create a black hole, trying to open up a portal. Now, if you believe in science and black holes and everything, if they open up something, where is it going to? Like what is a black Hole's? No one really knows. I mean science quote unquote knows how to explain black holes theoretically, but it's where is all that energy that they supposedly suck in go to? No one knows that. No one knows like what happens with it, So who's to say if they're to open up something, what would happen. That's why I do not understand, Like that's when people say that's what they're trying to do, It's like that doesn't even make any sense because nothing like that even seems safe. Like right, there's a lot of people that have been very concerned about what cern is doing. You know that they're going to destroy us. But according to folks that I've talked to, there's seventy three portals to Hell on the earth. And one guy I know who's like a missionary, and he goes into villages and he calls out the witch doctor and he's real confronting of Satanism and stuff. He went down to Mexico. God told him to go down there, and he led him to this city which was run by this really powerful Satanist and his house was supposedly built right on top of one of these portals. It's not a physical portal, it's a dimensional doorway to these other realm. So this is a dimensional opening. And so this sern thing is similar to that on a larger scale using technology. Article smashing releases. You know, it basically creates a tear in the space time and it allows this portal to open up. Now, how they are able to go to where the devils are? I have no I mean, oh, this way beyond me. But I know enough to know that it's not some science project. I mean, if you've ever looked at the things around CERN, like they have Shiva, the goddess of destruction is the thing they put in the front courtyard. Their logo is a six sixty six. They made one video, this most extravagant machine ever created by humans. They make a video and it's a bunch of satanic occult ridden dancing. Is dark imagery. It's the most bizarre thing you've ever seen. Symmetry. Look it up. It's on YouTube. Symmetry, the CERN video. It's bizarre. It has nothing to do with science or anything. So you start putting the pieces together, You're like, these people are completely you know, Satanists, up to some crazy stuff. And they is it in Switzerland? Yeah, yeah, they're building more of them too. It's just end of the world stuff. Man. There's supposedly one down in Tennessee. I think it's called Oak Ridge and I'm not one hundred percent familiar with it or anything about it. I haven't looked into it. I just know I've heard stories of there's weird stuff that goes on down there at this facility. I just don't understand again, like why everyone's trying to do these Like what's the endgame? Like they're spending all this money to build these particle accelerators and what are they trying to get from that? Well, one of their goals is eternal life, for sure. So there's a lot of DNA research in interconnection with genetic research with CERN and the and the d wave of computers. So they're they're they're attempting to to create technologies that will allow them to transfer their consciousness into an avatar. And I believe that they're close to being able to do that, if they're not already, it's in a lot of the movies. And that's what they do is they show us what they're doing in the movies, so then they can, you know, live forever apart from God. They can continue to live in sin and give God the finger, but live forever because that's what they Everybody wants to live forever. Most people, do you want to die tomorrow. I don't, but it's not going to work because Jesus says in Revelation that if if the days were not cut short, all flesh would have been lost. So ultimately, you know, God is all powerful. He is the ruler, and he's good. He's just not to be messed with. He's no push up. And Satan had his chance to turn around. He was the Satan. Lucifer was the anointed chair of the covers. His body was made of instruments. Most people believe he was like the worship leader of heaven. So he was like God's number one dude. And he just got looking in the mirror too much, and he got lifted up in pride and started thinking, like, God's not all that. All these people are looking my way. I want some of this juice, you know, and something. He got the five eyes of Isaiah fourteen. I will ascend to the mountain of the north. I will walk among the stones of fire. I will be like the most high. And God was like, wait a minute, I have no beginning and no end, but you I created you, so you have an inception date. You're a created being. You're pretty awesome, but don't you know, let it go to your head, and he couldn't rain him in and eventually, you know, he convinced a third of the angels to run with him and they all got the boot. It's an incredible story. That's where I struggle with though, when you go into stuff like that, because if God's all knowing, and God's the ultimate creator, he would have known that Satan when he created him, was going to rebel against him. Heard it where a Turnett will say, with Adam and Eve, that's even worse. Yeah, if you're all knowing, you knew when you created Am and Eve that they were going to rebel and that, according to a strict interpretation scripture, would then plunge billions of people into eternal damnation. And you created him anyway, I rubbed people wrong way. But see again, I'm going back to the Hey, you're the only one off from me eternal life, and my breath stops. I leave out. I don't want to test the theory that I know more than you. So if I bump up against a question, I can't answer like that one. I don't choose. Now, this is a choice you have to make. I don't choose to ascribe that it's God's fault that he's unrighteous. I rather choose to decide that it's my little peanut brain that doesn't have all the information. And the reason I can do that is because I've met him. I meet him every day in prayer, and I know that he's not Moloch, a benevolent God that wants me to sacrifice babies. He's not unjust, he's not unrighteous. He is a good God, he's a loving father. But he allows free will. And that's the mess you're seeing, is his willingness to allow man to choose evil. And you're blaming God for his willingness to allow free will. That's all that's happening. It's not all that's happening, because it's more than that. Because there's the fall, there's the fall of man. So cats give birth to cats, dog give birth the dogs, and sinners give birth to sinners. That's another raw deal. You're born as sinner. Well, I didn't sin in Adam and Eve's guarden. Adam and Eve did. Why do I gotta pay for their mistake? Well, I'm sorry, it's not my universe. And I get to the point now, I've been walking with God for forty years and I get to the point where I go like this, God, because you're either going to give God the finger and go be an agnostic or whatever, and then you're not going to go to heaven. You're either in this thing or you're not. Okay, So I either got to jump off into giving God the finger or I got a surrender and I gotta be like this God, I just I accept your terms. It's like whatever. Whatever. If it was me, I wouldn't run the universe like this. But I'm like, I'm stuck here in this mortal frame and when I draw, I've watched people die and it's a scary situation. I've seen people begging God for mercy on their deathbed. It is not something that I want to experience. Okay, So I'm living my life for the day of my death. Like last night, perfect example. Last night, some something happened around here and there was ambulances at two in the morning, and I was lying in bed last night thinking what if they were coming for me? What if I was gasping for my last breast? Am I ready to go out into eternity and meet you God? Yeah? The fear of the Lord Man is the beginning of wisdom. You are gonna die someday. Listener, You're gonna draw your last breath. And you got an advocate. Take him or leave him. He's offering you eternal life. He's offer to restore you to the Father. You're not going to get all your questions answered, but I can tell you after forty years, Jesus is wonderful. He's not unjust. The Devil's the one that's causing all the problems. Get mad at him instead. I think when it comes to like Satan and the devil, and you mentioned before the snake in the Garden of Eden, Yeah, and you even mentioned like the whole Reptilian thing. Do you feel like those are the fallen angels? Yeah. If you have a biblical worldview, then we don't believe that there's aliens coming from different star systems. So first of all, I'm a flat earther, so I believe we live in a closed system. There is no outer space. The stars are up there and they spin around the Earth, and we're here in the snow globe. Okay, so what are the aliens? Well, you could have extraterrestrials if you understand what's beyond the ice wall of the South Pole, which is the ring around the tub. Okay, outside of the ring, there could be other earths, so you could have people coming over from those other earths, which are extraterrestrials. But these alien disclosure, the alien phenomenon, these are entities that are not righteous, they're not good aliens or they're all in our biblical worldview, they're all part of the fallen Angels lineage. They're part of the Great Deception. Let me rephrase that. Genesis six gives us a little bit of a glimpse into what happened. The sons of God came down and saw that the daughters of men were fair, and they took from them wives whichever they chose. So we're told some of the angels came down and started mating with human women, and they gave birth to giants. The giants were the Nephelim. And what we learned from the Book of Enoch and the writings from different writings, that the demons spirits are the Nephilim that died, the giants that died, their spirits have roamed the earth and those who where demons come from. That's what Enoch reveals to us Okay, so what are the aliens and the spaceships and all that. Well, we believe that they're part of a long on because you see it going way back thousands of years. It's in all the movies and it's and it's the same narrative that you there's no God, you were exceeded like Prometheus the movie, this human kind was seated by aliens, were the offspring of aliens. That's the narrative they want you to embrace. And they're going to great lengths to bring that the past. I guess if you look at it in the sense of what is a alien? Mm hm, it makes sense to the for the narrative that they want to push, it makes sense to say that they're from space. Yeah. And he mentioned the Super Mario Brothers earlier. I got thinking when you were talking at the very end of the Mario game, the very first one, what did you have to do? You had to fight the big reptile, tire breathing thing over the lake of fire. He had to jump over him and drop him in the lake of fire. It's a weird little analogy that I just kind of was thinking about. And if you go back and again we mentioned like video games simulation levels. He's on the eighth level like you start off, and that's the original one was on the eighth level. You had to go say the Prince is on the eighth level, and it's I don't want to say synchronicity is that word gets tossed out a lot. But there's a lot of strange similarities when you go into certain things. The house has been programmed that way, like obviously Garden of Eden, snake, reptile, bowser, whatever you want to call on King Koopa that one. I think it was reptile. Like. There's depictions of stuff like this, and if you actually start to sit there and think about all the different similarities, you can connect so many different things type of Yeah. So I don't know my mind when you were talking, my mind just starts thinking of all these like connections. But I think we can probably get close to wrapping this one up. But I want you to talk about your book a little bit more so everyone out there can nowhere to find jet reach out to your book. Yeah, you go, go, like I said, to Amazon and you can get a paperback or audio, and you know, it's like it's not really written to convince people the moon landing's fake. It's written for people that believe it's fake, and the people that are important to in your life don't believe it's fake, and that's creating problems for you. And a lot of people really appreciate, you know, the validation that they get because, like I said this, the pushback is universal. So if you've begun to question officialdom, you're walking the lonely road. There's no debate. Unless you don't have anybody in your life, you live like totally alone, then you don't need the books. Man, you still might enjoy it, but I think you understand now you're not trying to convince people with your book. It's more or less for people that are already on your side, like your viewpoints. Yeah, you're not. It's not a book to try and convince people to believe in flat earth or write anything like that. It's literally you already believe into it, right, and that's what it says in the very beginning. A copy here anyway, it's it's uh. You can go onto Amazon. You can listen to like the first four or five minutes on the audio, so you can get an idea of what it's like to do you have to have someone narrated or do you do your own? Yeah? No, I started doing it myself, and then once I got into it, I realized it would have taken me a month working all day and uh, I just didn't have the time. It would have cost me more to do with myself. Yeah, I'm lost time. So I hired somebody. Cost me fifteen hundred bucks. Uh, there were things that, Uh, there's I don't know. I'll talk to you all there about it. It's already like if you ever write another book, I can give you some pointers of how you don't have to spend that kind of money. But well, John, it's been a pleasure. Indeed, thanks for having me. Man, it was great. Combo loved it. Yeah. I enjoy talking with knowledgeable people when it comes to topics I'm interested in, And what we talked about tonight is right up there. Nice. A lot of my show doesn't die with a name like tin Foil tell you they be a lot more conspiracy, but it's not. I've got to hear some here and there. But it seems like my conspiracy episodes turns a lot of people off, okaid, Yeah, they like to hear stuff about aliens or bigfoot or something like that. But well, that's that's tenfold to most people. Yeah, that's it all fits under the category. Like if someone says they come out and got chased off by a big feat, they're like, oh, you're a crazy person. Man, you say you got abducted by aliens. Oh you're a crazy person. But I got where a tinfoil hat. Well, I think it's raining red pills and the normies are about to have their worldview completely obliterated. No, I've been noticing a lot more people open minded, and at least that's better than what it used to be because years ago I was the crazy person, and now people that I used to talk to are coming up to me like telling me things because they're finally starting to see the connections too. It's refreshing. But yeah, it's been a pleasure and I hope you guys enjoyed it. But we're gonna get out of here. So thanks to John and thanks for listening. Remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote, All night everyone, M.