Ep. 95: Wisconsin's Cryptids, Anomalies, & Paranormal Society

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon. Right, we're gonna be joined by my guest, Barnaby. Barnaby is a cryptozoologist and an author and a paranormal researcher. We connected a while back. Wanted to get him on here and pick his brain about a few things before bring Barnaby on. 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I'll have my recording Rick out there so we can sit down and talk about it. Make sure to follow us on all social media's Facebook, Instagram, It's where my most active look for. Brandon Tenfoil tells you can buy me on Facebook. That way we can chat on there too. I think now we're gonna go ahead and bring Barnaby on I've been looking forward to talking with you when it comes to cryptids and paranormal It's always kind of been my favorite topics talk about. And I hope you guys enjoy the conversations. So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Like take this time. Welcome my guest tonight, Barnaby. Thanks for coming on here and talk to me. Absolutely thanks for having me on. Yeah, not a problem. You want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself, Yeah, absolutely so. My name is Barnaby Jones. I am a crypto'slogist and a paranormal researcher. I am the founder and lead investigator for Cryptids, Anomalies and the Paranormal Society. We are based out of Wisconsin. We're a team of about on average about ten to fifteen people that each one of us specializes in a different area from cryptids to paranormal. We have mediums and impass on the team and we go out and we investigate all different forms of the paranormal and cryptids and anomalies. And using this broad variety of people on our team were able to look at different situations and different creatures and stuff from a broad spectrum of viewpoints and it allows us to take a look at things a lot more in depth than we normally would be able to. So we've been doing that for since twenty nineteen CAPS was founded, and we do all kinds of video on YouTube, and we have a show on paraflex and you can find us at wisconsincaps dot com and beyond that, I also am the host of two podcast shows. I do Monsters on the Edge, which is all cryptos wology on the Untold Radio Network, and I have a brand new show that actually just debuted today on the Untold Radio Network called The Paranormal Spectrum, and there we delve into all things paranormal and weird as well. Well. They got a lot going on. I do absolutely what led you on the path to where you're at now? Like what got you into this whole strange phenomena like paranormal cryptids, all that stuff? What led you? Do? Want to look into it. I've always been interested in this stuff since an early age. I was, you know, doing things like this now, all the way back to elementary school. I was interested in the paranormal and that I remember in elementary school around fifth grade, I was doing a research paper on El Chupacabra because that was big, making all the news and the headlines at the time, and that was probably one of my first brushes with this. So I've been doing this ever since I was young, and eventually I did a lot of paranormal research and some investigating that like most people do, and in twenty twelve, I actually ended up owning and operated a Halloween Haunted House attraction. And the Haunted House attraction was in a haunted building and we had several different encounters there in the building with shadow entities. We heard disembodied voices, We've heard like little children laughing. We've seen shadow people peeking out around the edges of corners and walls, hearing footsteps when no one was there, and this kind of all culminated to my probably my most memorable paranormal encounter. I was out there working on this attraction by myself one night and I was doing some scenic lighting in it, and I had a swamp scene with these six foot tall fake trees, and I'm in the scene and I noticed one of the branches on the trees just kind of lightly bobbing. And the walls in the attraction are all eight feet tall, so there's no wind, no air movement. It's really hot in there in the summer, and I'm like, why is that branch like moving like that? So on the ground in front of it, there's these about foot and a half styrofoam dock floats and they're stab full of all these ferns and you know, plants and other things like that. And I get to just the other side of this from this tree, and the tree just starts violently shaking like some but he's got a hold of it, just shaking it there. And I took a step back to see what was behind it, like shine my light back there, because all the lights in the haunts are off right now because I'm working on the lighting. And the tree literally flew up and crossed over the styrofoam doc float where I was standing and fell across the path. And that's been still to this day my most intense paranormal experience. Now, has there been any way you've tried to debunk that to see how it could it possibly it happened like or is it just there was no way for it to fall or anything like that, Like I ay was trying to rule out any sort of explainable situations. That's the skeptical side of that. I just want to make sure because when people are saying, oh, this and this and this, I'm like, well, did it fall. Obviously there's something like that happened, clearly. I would just look to see how it's possible and if there's no other explanation, then did you can say it's paranormal? Absolutely? So, as I said, I was there at night, it was like the middle of the night. Well, the reason I was there is because the building has skylights, and in the summer when we were working on all this, it's too light in there until like nine o'clock at night to do any lighting. So I had come back in the middle of the night when it was pitch black in there that I could adjust these little spotlights for the scenes in that. So I came back the next day with more of my crew that builds the haunt and that, and the tree was still laying there, and so we picked it up. And I don't know if you remember the old like weeble Wobbles toys and they have well, the tree has a like a cement base in it where it meets the fake pot that it's in so it has a very heavy base and you can pull this over just like gently to the side, almost to a forty five degree angle, and it would wobble right back to center and stay up. So whatever. And then the other thing is is it had to get up an over that styrofoam block that was on the floor, and like I said, that was about a foot and a half high. So whatever did this lifted that up over the top of the block and had enough power to pull it over. Now, we also had security cameras in the building and they're set up in a way to monitor the people that were coming through the attraction, so they weren't like set up to watch the you know, the props and other things like that. But you can see that there's nobody that came in and out of that area. There's nobody else in the building at all. There was no animals or anything that had gotten in. There was nothing in that area of the attraction where I was at the time that had happened. We went through all the bases trying to check it and just there was there was nothing. I have no idea what happened or or how that happened. Yeah, that's strange. I've never encountered anything like that to where I've had strange things happen here and there, but nothing to where like at one hundred percent say, oh that's paranormal. So I've never seen something fall or fly or anything. I've heard random noises this and that, but again that could be anything. So now that that seeing some fall lie like that or whatever, that definitely may we probably not want to go back to that place. But that's just me. Well, like I said, that was that was the most intense thing that happened to me there. But I've had you know, I've had probably about one hundred different actors through that building throughout the seasons and stuff, and they've they've all, not all of them, but most of the people have had encounter of some sort in the building. But that that was where it all started kind of. And you know, like I said, I'd always been interested in cryptids and other stuff, but like everybody, I thought that that was like you know, out in Oregon, Washington, stuff like that, and not really here where I am in Wisconsin. And so I heard about this convention that was up in Upper Michigan and I missed it the first two years, but they have this kind of not a museum, but this like touristy destination thing called the Heiden Adventure HYDN And what it is is there was this eighty acre private property that was hunting land owned by Craig and Barb Sulk and they captured on their trail cameras in twenty twelve a series of three pictures and the middle picture shows what some believe is a Bigfoot. So, after you know, some time and some thought, Craig actually sent that picture into Finding Bigfoot. Finding Bigfoot came out and did an episode on their property. It's the Super Uper Episode, and people want to see where the picture was taken and the evidence and that. So they ended up opening up their property to the public as this like tourist spot for people to come see the evidence, share their stories. And so me and my mom had gone up there in twenty nineteen and we met Craig and Barb and took the tour and heard all the evidence and stuff, and we started finding out that these creatures Bigfoot, the dog Man other things are you know, right here in Wisconsin. And Craig had talked about the convention that they ran the Marinet Menominee Bigfoot and paranormal convention, and he had had a author there by the name of Linda Godfrey who had wrote all these books about the Beasts of Bray Road and some of the other stuff that's that's going on right here in Wisconsin, because you know, she's based out of Wisconsin. So when we left there, I started researching and reading some of her books, which led me down to Burlington, Wisconsin and another author by the name of Mary Sutherland who wrote this whole book called The Burlington Vortex about this wooded area down there and all the high strangeness that was going on in there. And so one night I was bored and had nothing else to do, so I called one of my friends named Derek, and he was into paranormal and stuff, and I said, Man, there's this area down in southern Wisconsin and it's, you know, got all this high strangeness, Bigfoot, paranormal, all this stuff. You want to take a drive down there and just kind of poke around and see, you know, instead of instead of looking into one phenomenon at a time. I mean, this place supposedly has everything. So we went down there and we had gotten there just after dark. So long story short, and I didn't really want to go in the woods, you know, not knowing the woods in the dark. So there's a gravel parking lot there, and we parked there and we just kind of sat in the car and listened and watched the sky and the woods and stuff and that, and we heard this thing coming through the woods and you know, it could have been a deer, could have been something, you know, could have been anything. And there's a kind of small hill on the side of the parking lot that leads up to the tree line, and we're hearing this thing coming up through the woods there, and I took out this huge spotlight that I have in my car, and I'm shining it from the road along the woodline. And I got about halfway across this hill and something huge like was leaning out of the woods and like pushed down a branch like peeking out from behind it. And when my light hit it, it let go of the branch and the branch snapped back up and back like to block whatever was there. And there's nothing else that could have been in there. So we told a couple people about this, and a couple weeks later I got a group together and we went back down there during the day this time, and we started poking around where that branch was and we found out that it wasn't a branch. It was actually a small tree in that area where I had seen this that was completely bowed over and something was standing behind it. We found fourteen inch footprints, barefoot footprints in the ground right where that was, leading back through the woods in the mud. There nothing like castable or anything, but you could see the impressions in the soft ground in that. And so we went in through the woods during the day and we got to an area where there's this power line cut and at a it's a low marsh area. There's there's the hill that I was talking about by the parking lot. Then there's a low marsh area, and then there's another hill and then a power line cut, and then the rest of the forest is on the other side of that. And we got to the base of that second hill and we're walking along the trail and kind of between the hill and the marsh area, and we're hearing these whistles coming from the top of the ridge that were by the hill, and so we're listening to that and we're like, what is this like something moving around up there, and then from the other side of the marsh comes another whistle. So we're getting these whistles going back and forth between the two hilltop ridges that were in between, and so finally we're like, okay, well, something's at the top of this ridge. We're gonna go up there and investigate it. So we started backtracking along the bottom trail to go up the hill towards this power line cut and then the top trail, and as we turn around to go back from the other side of the marsh, is this huge just branch crack, like somebody ripped a huge branch off of a tree. It was very loud, and uh, We're like, wow, that was weird. I don't I don't know what that was, you know. And this is you know, back when we were just kind of getting into obviously all this stuff, and we're not really you know, we knew some of the bigfoot behavior and some of that you know stuff, but it was just really weird to hear all this stuff, right, you know, your your first time out. And so we got to the top of the ridge, we looked around up there, didn't find anything, and we went back out onto the power line cut. And we were looking down into the marsh on the other side of the power line, and while we're standing there, this massive guttural growl comes out of the woods that we had just come out of the top of that second ridge line, and we all kind of just stopped and stared, and you know, we're trying to process what the heck we just heard and what this is. And eventually I had a thermal imaging camera, but it was just a handheld. It's a flear, but it just takes pictures. It doesn't do video or anything. And I took it and I went back into the woods that we had just come into, and I didn't find anything, So we continued on. We finished going through the whole rest of the woods, and we got done. We went back to the parking lot and I was starting to get dark, so we're like, okay, well, you know we're here, let's go back in at night and see what we can find again. So myself, Derek, and Michael, the other one that we had with us, and then my mom and Michael's wife stayed out in the cars to kind of just keep an eye on the parking lot and stuff. They didn't want to come in at night. So we went in and we got back to that same ridge line and we were walking along the top of it, and on our way back out, I got on thermal an upright heat signature, and at the time I had thought that it like laid down on the ground. I got three pictures of it really tall, kind of half tall, and then just kind of like a small spot of it, and I had thought that it like laid down on the ground or something, but looking back, it had actually walked down the back of that ridge like towards the second marsh area. So we continued on and a little bit further up the path, I got another massive heat signature, and it's on the other side of the trail this time, and it looks like something standing next to a tree, and so it's you know, it's the thermal imager is you know, like about an inch by an inch and a half screen, so it's very hard to see anything on there. So I snap a picture of it, like I don't know what that is. I'll take a look at when we get home. So when I got home, I have you know, Photoshop and you know photo editing software and stuff like that, and I blew it up and enhanced it and you can actually see like the edge of a tree and then one leg, one arm, and then a conical head of this creature standing like leaning out from behind the street. And so that was our first experience and we we did a lot more research down there since then, but that was that was the investigation that started CAPS cryptids Anomalies in the Paranormal Society, and that's what led us down this whole thing, and we've been going ever since since then. That was August of twenty nineteen. Now, the thing that you saw that the description to me obviously sounds like a sasquatch with the head and everything. Has there been reports of activity like more and more since then or is that just kind of one of those rare instances where you caught something. We have been in there at that time. We were going back about every other every weekend or every other weekend down there from August until about November, and we actually got a howl and we got a massive like shadow creature, I don't want to say a shadow creature, but like the silhouette of a creature standing up on We were down in the parking lot and this thing came out and stood in that power line cut, so it was it was up on the ridge, but you could just see like the black shadow of it standing there. Beyond that, we have all kinds of other activity in that area. Like I said, this this place is a hotspot for everything from UFOs to the Fay creatures and just paranormal activity. We've experienced so many different things in just that woods that it was our We we got all this evidence and we're like, well, what do we do with it now? You know? So I started putting it together and we made this little documentary about it, and that ended up being our first video on our YouTube channel on Wisconsin Caps and so then we're like, wow, this is this is really interesting. So we we continued and we we went to different locations and stuff, and it all snowballed from there, and now we do documentaries once every two months, and then we have spinoff series of just other research and different other areas, and like I said, that's that's kind of the the instigating thing that snowballed from all this. But you know, we've we've never we haven't come across any other major activity like we did that night. We haven't gotten any more therm a lot of there or you know, had the branch crack or anything like that, But we have had some other instances since then in there. So I was thinking, like you mentioned Faye, what are some of the reports you've heard from that, because I haven't really talked to too many folks that have had any sort of like actual Fay experience. I've heard like puck Wedgies stuff like that, but I don't know if you want to consider those Fay or not. Like to me, I think they're different, like very folk and everything else to me is a little different than a puck Wedgie possibly. I mean, I would consider puck Wedgie's part of the kind of Fay community as well. You know, you're talking about a lot of the folk and you know, goblins and gnomes and stuff like that, so I would put them in that realm. Depending But yeah, we we, like I said, Lynd, Notlnd. Mary Sutherland literally wrote an entire book called the Burlington Vortex, and it's all about all the weird stuff that happens down in Burlington, Wisconsin and these woods. There's been she has gotten a little footprints of a little humanoid something walking across the bridge down in the marsh there. I can't remember offhand any of the other stories that are like in her book or anything about that, but there's two stories that I can tell you from my personal experience in there. So the first one, there's these two big trees when you first go into the woods, and Mary calls them the Guardian trees, and there's a male guardian and a female guardian of the woods. And we were walking out one night that we were in there, and we were doing like EMF sweeps, so electromagnetic old sweeps and just kind of seeing what was in there and stuff because we've had, you know, like I said, paranormal and other activity with stuff in there, so we kind of run the gambit whenever we're in there. And we got to one of these trees and the EMF meter started spiking weird. So we decided to have this conversation with it and see what would cause this, because, like I said, we're by the power line cuts, but other than that, there's no electrical in the woods. Obviously, when we go in, we turn our cell phones on airplane mode or off because we don't want interfering with the investigation. So we're getting these weird spikes of energy on this EMF meter, and we start talking to it and we said, well, are you the guardian of the forest. Yes, you know, do you decide who can come and go in this forest? Yes? If you didn't want us here, could you make us leave? Yes, you know, different questions like this, and and we have this full conversation with this entity that claims to be a Fay creature that's guardian of the forest and protector there, and you know, and it culminates here going going on with the conversation, and we said, well, you know, you have a lovely forest here. We appreciate you letting us come in here. We're gonna go now, you know, And it kind of does a sign off, you know, like yes, it acknowledges that. And then immediately after we say that, this huge probably like twenty or so coyotes just lights up, howling and yipping, and it sent you know, shivers and goosebumps and chills all over your body. It was. It was such a such a weird, surreal experience because you know, like exactly when we signed off with whatever this thing is that we're talking too, We're like, you know, we're gonna go now, thank you. And all this this happens. So that was that was probably one of the That was I think the one of the first experiences we had with whatever we call FAY in there, and then the second most interesting experience, I guess. We had set up some trail cameras in there, and uh we were going in one night on our way to a different location to collect these trail cameras. So everything we do with caps we do with GoPros night vision cameras. You know, we we document everything. And basically for the sake of this, we we walked straight in to the woods and we'll say directly to my well, it'd kind of be like directly behind us is the main road, right, so we go straight in and then we turned down a side game trail to the less left. Now the road should be to my left, which you know it was. So I'm walking straight in, take a left. The road is to my left, and I'm walking in towards the game trail, and I towards the game camera, and I ended up back on the same path that I started on. So somehow I did a complete three sixty walking in a straight line with the road to my left the whole time. Because this was This was in November. There's you know, not a lot of leafs and you know, tree cover and stuff in there, so you can see, you can hear the road and stuff going in there. And somehow I got completely three sixty turned around and ended up back on the main path. So that was weird to begin with. And when I got back to the main path, I was a little disoriented and the I'm like, well, whatever, okay, I'm gonna do this again. So I pulled out my phone and I had GPS to where the game camera was and I walked straight in, fouled the GPS, fouled my location on the GPS to the game camera, found it, took it down, walked back out, and we went back out to the car. I had two other people with me at the time, and we started taking off our cameras and putting away the equipment and stuff, and I realized that my handheld thermal imager that I spoke of earlier was not on me, and I'm like, well, what the heck happened. I must have dropped it in the woods or something. And this is not a cheap piece of equipment, so I'm like, I need to go back in and look for this, you know, and try and find it. So I thought, you know, whenever you have cameras on, nothing ever happens. So I thought, for once, I need to get out of here. We had to be somewhere else. I'm going to run in with the flashlight, look for the look for the thermal imager, and get out. So I went in again, straight in, and I see to my left something glowing on the ground, and I thought, oh, my screen of the thermal imager must still be on and that that might be it. So I turned it. I looked to the left and what I see is this like fallen log with a hole in it. And at the top of that hole is this glowing light orb about the size of a marble or a cat's eye. And I'm thinking, okay, so this is like a like an animal's eye that's illuminated, right, And so I take my flashlight off of it, and it's still glowing and I put it back and it's, you know, still there obviously, but I can't it's not an eye. It's just this glowing marble size thing. And it changed color from like yellow to green, and I'm like, I have no idea what this thing is, you know. And so I'm watching this thing, and I start hearing something moving around to my right in the woods, and you know, if you look away from this thing, you know it's going to disappear. So I'm trying to focus on this and I start taking a step closer to it, and another thing, Like I don't know if I mentioned this. This is November, so it's cold out already. It's already in the thirties in Wisconsin here, so there's no bugs, no frogs, there's no glowing beetles or lightning bugs or anything. That's all gone. There's no leaves on the trees anymore. This is fall, this is hunting season, you know. So I don't know what this thing is. And I'm still hearing this movement off to my right, and I'm kind of a little concerned, like something's moving towards me. I probably should look at what this is. And so I take my flashlight off of this glowing marble sized object, and I looked to my right and I scan around and I don't see anything. And I look back to this glowing thing and it's gone, obviously, And I'm like, Okay, I knew that was going to happen. I don't. I still don't know what it is, but there was nothing there. Whatever it was just disappeared. It didn't crawl away, it didn't move, it was just gone. So I took, you know, two steps back, and I'm back on the trail because I had moved off to try and look at this object. And I stepped back onto the trail and about two steps forward, and my thermal imager was laying right on the side of the trail, right there, and I'm I'm thinking to myself, you know, whatever this was something got my attention there, and then it didn't want me in the wood. So these creatures whatever, you know, what have you? Literally brought the thermal imager, threw it down and said, okay, there it is, get out. You know. Whether or not that's what happened, whether or not they stole it from me in the first place, or you know, I don't know, but it's just a weird set of circumstances that I'm walking in the woods, I see this little glowing thing. It distracts me, and then my thermal limager was right there, and I don't have an explanation for that. Weirdly enough, I can't relate to that in the sense of the equipment. But without going into the whole story, there was a time years ago that we were at a place that a lot of supposed paranormal activit in old cemetery, and buddy of mine had found a coin on a headstone, and for some reason he decided he was going to pick us up, and we begged him to throw it back, or not throw it, but like take it back, put it back where he got it. Well, he ended up we were up by the vehicle to leave and convinced him to take it back, but he didn't want to take it back so so far out away and it was dark and all the weird stuff was going on, so he flung it like he just tossed it and made us all mad. So the next day I went back out there in the daylight and I made him go with us literally where he was standing and we've seen him throw it. It was where this silver dollar silver fifty cent piece was at, but we seen him throw it. So the next day it was back in the same spot to where we were just at. So that was the creepiest thing that I've ever really experienced far as something like that. Yeah, it's weird, Like there's there's so many I mean, like we've put out two documentaries just on this woods alone of all the weird stuff, and you know, we've had paranormal activity in there, We've had we've seen uh, like weird lights in the sky there. We've seen other weird orbs and lights and just all kinds of stuff in this woods. And that was just that was just our first place that we've ever investigated. I mean, we've we've gone all over the US since then. We've been to some amazing places. We've gotten to investigate Gettysburg and I've actually gotten to go out to the property that neighbors Skinwalker Ranch, the UFO Valley campground there, and I've got to investigate out there. We have investigated the property down by Bray Road, Lee Hample's Field, and that is very similar to a lot of the stuff that happens at Skinwalker Ranch. We have a brand new documentary coming out this July from our our most recent trip down there to that, and it's just so much of this stuff is just you know, you wouldn't believe unless you were there kind of stories and experiences and it's it's just been very weird. Yeah, it's a there's always certain places that I feel like they have certain energies, And I don't know, has anyone done any research into like the general area far as I like to say out west there's place with like four text energies and stuff like that. You guys looked into any sort of something of that nature to see if it's got like a high more text type area. So there are a lot of lay lines that run through the Burlington Woods, Okay, I don't know. There's a lot of energy and stuff in the town or the city of Burlington proper, which is just a couple like a mile or so up the road, two miles up the road. So this is just literally right on the edge of the property. If you stand at that power line cut, you can look down through the marsh and then there's a like a cult de sac of houses back there. So this is you know, it's not a big woods. You're thinking that this is this here huge area, and it's it's really not. You could probably walk from your vehicle to the power line cut in five minutes if you're you're at a pretty good clip. But all this stuff happens. There's there's two sides of the woods. Like I said, there's the parking lot to the power line cut, and then there's the power line cut on and all of the weird creature fay stuff has always happened in the first chunk of woods, so like woods, marsh woods, and then all of the weird paranormal stuff has happened past the power line cut in that second chunk of woods. We've never had anything that we could con center Bigfoot or Fay or any of that nature on the other side of the power lines. It's just this little part of the woods before you get to that that cut that's always had all this weird stuff happen in it. And there's there's no houses, there's no other like people out there, you know, like that live or you know, like there's nothing else to account for this stuff going on, you know, like other people in there. Anything. We've talked to other people that have walked through there, you know that we've come across, and everyone's like, yeah, this woods is really weird. You know, We've we've had experiences in here. I actually just took a report. Somebody watched one of our episodes on on YouTube and sent in a sighting report from a couple of years ago where they saw this weird white creature come out of the woods and then like run up a tree on their property across the street. And they've heard other weird things like howls and stuff coming out of those woods. The woods also is about we'll say, like twenty minutes away from Bray Road, so you have like the Beast of Bray Road right there as well, and then the whole Lee Hample's Hayfield right down there by this area as well, so the whole part of that, and then you go a little bit farther south and you end up in the southern Kettle Moraine State Forest and there's all kinds of bigfoot reports and everything out of there as well. So there's all sorts of activities everywhere in places you wouldn't even consider to be highly active. I've figured out, just because even with stuff around here, you mentioned how small these woods are. There's been reports of sightings of weird things I don't want to say sasquatch or dog mannering, but weird humanoid looking things in this general area. And some of these areas that they're talking about is I mean, it's bigger than obviously what you're describing, but it's not super large. It's not like a huge forested area, so it's kind of interesting. Just recently, I had a I think I mentioned this on a episode a couple of weeks back. I had someone talking to me about humanoid sightings. And when the person got when they were driving, when they got closer, they actually figured out that they were wings wrapped around these people and they flew off. I was like, it sounds like a giant bird. But then they said it had like human features some like is it angel looking things? Is it gargoyle things, a mothman like? There's all sorts of weird things. But there's two different cases of that happening, and not too far from my area. So I went out and drove around in the same vicinity of where these supposed sightings happened, and I didn't see anything besides a bunch of deer. But like, I always enjoy hearing stuff that's supposedly close to where I'm at because it gives me a chance to go out there and look around for stuff. Oh where are you from? I'm from Indiana, Northern Indiana. Interesting. We did a whole two part series on the Chicago and the Chicago area mofman sightings. And there was the one report. The one witness that I talked to actually saw it covering above the quarry that's right on the Illinois Indiana border right there, and he was driving along and saw it just on the side of the road. He pulled over, and a couple other cars as well pulled over and saw this thing, and they all kind of just like shook their heads and got back in their cars and drove away. He said, But you talk about like small wooded areas as well. There's all these sightings down there, supposedly around the O'Hare airport, and so we went down there to investigate this, and we're like, Okay, if this is an actual living, breathing animal, it has to live somewhere. It has to eat, you know, it has to reproduce. There has to be a population of these things. So we're like, where is there a wood area around? And I was unaware of this. I don't know how many other people know about this, but there's a woods between Chicago and like the main highway area there, and it's a very narrow woods. It's about a city block city block and a half wide, and that's it. There's a little river kind of stream that runs next to it, but it's about six miles long, and it runs all the way from from Rosemont by the O'Hare airport all the way up and it's it's this very dense, weird woods. And when we started looking into it and started investigating, we started getting all these reports of weird creatures and stuff in there. There was besides mothman, there was a report of these people out there, you know, like just because there's there's trails and stuff in each of these woods. You know they're parking and you know there's picnic areas and stuff and throughout this area. And on these trails there was a group of kids that were in there and they saw what they said is like a large praying mantis creature. And I was like, man, that's that's weird. I would love to see a you know, human sized praying mantis. I think that'd be kind of cool. I would not. I don't bugs it's better than some of the other creatures you could see. I mean, I we go out looking for the dog man in that and you hear so many reports of just how creepy and malevolent feeling that thing is. And I always say, well, you know, we're out there looking for it, but I don't know if I really want to find that thing. You know, I don't want to run into it, but i'd run into a giant praying mantis. I think the reason I do this podcast is exactly because of dog Man. Really, I'll tell you about it all their but yeah, yeah, I had a range encounter in two thousand and seven and it pretty much changed my whole perspective. And here I am seventeen years later hosting a podcast interviewing people about these type of things. So clearly it had some sort of impact on me. Uh but now we'll talk about that hair off air. But when it comes to praying Manus's spider or anything like that, I don't mess with those things. They can stay the hell away from me. And yeah, I wouldn't want to meet a giant spider. I would not want to do that. I get praying manuses on in the fallout around on my house. They blend into the brick of the house and I'm like, I see you, don't worry, I'm gonna bother you. You stay over there and we're good. I don't mess with you, and then I know people are gonna say, oh, they're terrible people. But back when I used to work out this place years ago, I was like twenty one year old, twenty two year olds, a dumb ass kid, and I didn't do this. But there was a prain mans that came into building and one of my core is right by my coworker's leg and I yelled. It was like, there's praime manis and he screamed so loud because I'm like yelling, he's yelling at it's it's like it freaks us both out. But one of the other guys working to side, he was going to take an aerostol can and his lighter and tried to light the thing on fire, which is terrible thing to do to a bug. But he lit it on fire and it started flying off and hit the wall and the wall almost start to catch on Fick. So the praiming man is almost burned down this entire company we worked at because the third shift guys were dumb and terrified of a bug. I've seen one wild bring mantis in my life. It was in Ohio and it was dead on the sidewalk outside of a hotel, and that was when I was really young. And here in Wisconsin, I know we have him. A couple of people I'm friends with on Facebook and stuff have hosted pictures of them last summer down in like Milwaukee area and literally our main research area in Upper Michigan for Bigfoot. There was a property down the road from it, and they posted pictures of praying mantas. I'm like, they're around, but I spend so much time up in the woods and stuff in there, and I've never seen one like alive and in person out in the field anytime. So I'm still looking for or do it? Yeah, we get them around here a lot. You don't see them often, but last year I think I saw like five or six around my house and I never messed with them, and they're all right and they're fine. A few years ago, before we lived at this house, apparently one got into the house and then another one got into the house all in the same night. Was like it might have been the same one, but we weren't home. So luckily I didn't have to deal with that because I probably would have just moved out at that point. Anyways, they could take it over. I don't know what it is, but they creep me out, mainly just because they look like little aliens on their heads and when you walk up to and I turned his head and looks at you sideways and watch as you walk past. Like, I don't like a bug smart like that. I'm not a bug guy in general, and I don't like one that can look at me. I know what I'm doing. I'm not a fan of spiders, but Spider's not a fan of them either. But like I said, I don't go out of my way to kill bugs, like if I see one whatever, Like I actually caught a huge bull spider not too long ago, and I took it out and threw it over across the roadway into the field. And my wife so why he kills just gonna come back? I was like, cause it's so big, I don't want to kill it at this point. And that mentioned if I step on it and grab my foot and throws me because it's a huge bunker, I want the mettle that I'm just letting it free. I get my good karma when it can fight back. You don't want to deal with it exactly, I said. He might have friends. You never know. Absolutely Now, when it comes to uh going out there looking for a dog man or fighting a big foot or anything like that, I'm fine with that. When it comes to the bug, Nope, I'm done. Let's just hope if the Aliens do come down they don't look like the sectoids, because I'm pretty much just I'm done with it. That that'd be my ideal. I'd rather deal with the the mantis people and stuff than the uh than the Grays and other things. You know. Yeah, uh, the Grays don't seem to creep me out as much. For some reason, I'm not really worried about the Grays, maybe just because I'm just sensitized to it. And then some of the other ones you hear about, they've all got the humanoid features so much like, well, if the Nords come down, I'm not gonna be really like afraid of them because they look like buttter like us. It might be a little bit taller. And then you got your reptilians living down in Antarctica eating on people and stuff. So I guess that that goes on too. So now we uh, we cover a lot of topics on this show. So there's been a lot of different talks about reptilians and all the different little subspecies of aliens out there. As far as h some of your UFO stuff or whatever, you've seen anything, and you mentioned you saw there's been reports of activity up in that area, but have you seen anything specifically that stood out to you that you could classify as in a UFO. So I've seen some. We we did a two part documentary as well on UFO sightings and stuff in Wisconsin. And we do a lot of conventions and go to a lot of events and stuff and people come up to us and they say, oh, I saw this UFO. And you know, we get reports saying, okay, we just had a UFO fly over the house. You know, this is what it looked like. And that's that's all well and good. But the problem is is, Okay, if there's a bigfoot sighting, chances are it's probably still within a few miles of your house, right They move around, but they're probably not going to get too far away within a day or two. So it's worth looking into. When somebody tells me there's a UFO that flew over their house, it's like, great, is it going to be there tomorrow? Is it going to come back, did it land Is there any physical evidence? No, Well, then there's really nothing I can do about it. So we took a different approach to this, and we started looking into like reports of these things and took a lot of that stuff. But then we attempted a couple different CE five methods. We did one as a team at an area that has been like a hotspot for UFO activity in that and we went out and CE five is close encounters of the fifth kind. It is self induced UFO experience. So you're going out into the field, you're trying to project your location, project your intentions out into the universe, and call these entities beings down. So we tried to take a very proactive approach to instead of there was a UFO here, well, okay, let's bring a UFO here. So we did one as a team, and then we actually did a public one in Nina, Wisconsin, and we went out to this lighthouse that was on the edge of Lake Michigan. So we have this huge sky and water to look out across, and we have this you know, big lighthouse that we can use as a a beacon for lack of a better word, uh to say, this is where we are come down, and so we we actually we set up all of our equipment, all of our meters and everything and E MF and radio frequencies and all that stuff. And then we also had uh star chart map. We had a airplane and satellite trackers and and all that stuff running live on the table as well, so anything that came into the airspace we would know if it was a satellite or an airplane or whatever. And we actually had one completely unidentified object in the sky that night for our public investigation. And you know, it was a light. It was up in the sky, it moved. We all saw it. That's about what it was. It's not like a huge craft or something came down and landed and we saw it. But we did have wasn't a satellite, wasn't a UFO or sorry, it wasn't a plane. We don't know what it was. But in my personal experiences, I actually was driving to work one night in Appleton, Wisconsin, and I was coming around. For anybody that's from the area or whatever, there's this curve on Highway forty one in Appleton past the mall and the baseball stadium there, and I came around this curve heading north towards Green Bay, and on the left side of the road there was this huge like circle of lights like a saucer, and it was hovering just over these like I don't know if there are apartments or what this building is right there. I'm pretty sure it's like apartments or duplexus or something. But it was probably maybe one hundred feet or so, maybe fifty hundred feet up above this set of buildings there right off the highway. It was dark out and all you saw was the lights of it, so I couldn't make out, you know, a craft or whatever it was. So I'm coming along the corner and I see this thing and I'm like, that doesn't belong there, because I drive this way all the time I grew up in this area. There's no lights there. This doesn't belong. There is an airport out there, but this thing that I'm seeing isn't moving. It's just kind of like hovering there. And so I I went down and I kept going down forty one, and then the next exit wasn't for a couple miles, and I got off and I tried to come back on the service road, but the service road doesn't go all the way that far back out and I didn't know that. So I got back on the highway and then going south on forty one. When I got back out there, it was gone. So within about I would say, not even ten minutes, five ten minutes of passing this thing, it was gone. It was not a airplane, you know, Like I said, we've done flight radar and tracking and stuff. You know, I'm very familiar with what an airplane looks like. Like I said, the airport is right there. Whatever this thing was that had lights on, it was just sitting there. So that's my pretty much only real UFO sighting that I can say, aside from just random balls of light in the sky that move. But I feel like a lot of people have the random balls of light story, because even I have something like that. But certain aspects to UFO sightings, just because you see something in the air, it's hard to relate what it could be. And I know a lot of people for some reason, when you say UFO, they automatically think aliens, and not everything in the sky would be an alien. And this is where I kind of struggle with too. If you're traveling through space and you can make it all the way here, Why does some of these people report seeing blinking lights? Why wouldn't the UFO abide to the same sort of regulations that we have here in our eras. But you know what I mean, like they wouldn't have the same concept of you wouldn't think they have the same concept of our rules here that we have to have a green and red light flight, you know what I mean. So when people say they see red and green flashing lights, i'thing like that's probably just a normal plane. Absolutely, I think that's you know, I used to work at a place where we spent a lot of time outside, you know, at night. Just it was a factory and stuff, but we go out through a forklifts and stuff, and a lot of times we'd see these weird lights in the sky and people would point them out and that. And I have the satellite trackers and phone tracker apps on my phone, and these things would look weird, they'd be moving weird. You know, it's a trick of the light because you're you're looking up into the sky and it's dark, and your eyes, you know, play tricks on you and stuff, and you see this weird thing getting brighter and brighter, and you're like, well, there's no flashing lights on it, it's not a plane, and then all of a sudden it turns and then you see the lights and then you know. But like having that app on your phone allows you to pull it out and in real time go this is the direction I'm looking. Oh it's a satellite. Oh it's a you know, it's a plane, it's a helicopter, what have you. And you know, if more people that are interested in this topic would take the two seconds to download apps like that and just you know, be responsible for that information, because you know, that's just it is. If you do see something, document it, you know, take pictures of it, take video if it's possible. You know, everyone you know has a cell phone and stuff. And if you're seeing this weird light in the sky, if you can get a video of it, if you can get a picture of it, that's great. But make sure what it is that you're looking at, you know, and when you look at your your flight tracker or your your satellite tracker and there's nothing there that there's nothing that should be in that spot in the sky, then you have something more credible, you know, and you can say I don't know what that is it is not this, this, this this, and you have this unexplained event and and you know, and then you can start researching it and documenting it and say, okay, it's a light. It moved in this direction, and then you know, maybe it turns and then you see that it's a plane or something. You know, and but you also have the time and the date and stuff, and you can look back and compare notes. You know, there's plenty of like moufa on and other organizations out there that keep databases of sightings and that, and then you can go and you can look and see, Okay, somebody else saw this light, or somebody else reported something in the vicinity, and you know, it's it's really cool to be able to research and document that way and compare notes. So I highly recommend that to everybody out there. The episode that just recently released was a UFO episode on my podcast, and one of the guys that was on the split as a double in. The first guy only was on for maybe like fifteen twenty minutes. I ended up putting a second guest on just because trying to make it about an hour, and the second guest was my friend who had actually he's been on the show before. We do a sideshow now on the Patreon together. But if you can see the artwork for the podcast here on zoom the very bottom, you see how it's kind of smoky, foggy and the lights like that. Yep, he said, that is what they were. He was ubering and he picked up somebody and the sky kept doing it like a big flash, like it all light up. But it was really dense fog that night and you could see like the lights. They could never figure out what was causing it. And it's like a weird it's like a mixture of a blue and almost he says, it's very similar to what is on the bottom of this. He said frandly, just the whole area just light up and then go away, light up and go like. So I don't know. There could have been like maybe lightning, I said, if his police, you'd see a lot more flashing one just light up and then go away. So lights. Yeah, so I don't know what it could have possibly have been. But this was back in December, so it wasn't too long ago. It was up in northern Indiana. But now I that's the one instance where but it being foggy and everything, you can't really see. I lived by an airport too, and at nighttime they had the spotlight that spins around. So every time I'm to look out back, especially if it's foggy, you can see it light up, but it's almost like a blue light. So I don't know. Yeah, it's it's weird. Like a lot of the times, you know, people don't realize how far light travels, you know, and how far away something can be and still be illuminated. We did research on the Paulding Light up in Bruce Crossing, Upper Michigan, and it's this ghost light along this supposedly old railroad track power line cut, and no one could figure out for years where this weird light would come from. At the end of this power line cut, you park at the end of this you know, dead end road and you look out and there's this light in the distance and it's it's actually car traffic. We brought a really big telescope out there, and other people now have confirmed and you know, stuff like that. There's been more research done, but it's car headlights. But there's no road for like five miles past that. So this is the old highway and they put in a new highway off on the side, and it supposedly this all. You know, the light was there before the highway was put in, and you know, there's all these legends and stuff out there. But if you take a high powered telescope and you look down this power line cut and road there, whenever the light shows up, you can see car headlights and you can see cars, so it it's my opinion that it's probably just car headlights. But to the point, you know, this is literally on a map, probably about five miles in a straight line from there is where these headlights are just bridging this edge of a hill, and that's when they're coming out and shining down this power line cut to become the polding light. But it's nowhere near it, you know. So when people look at a map and they say, well, there's there's nothing out there, you know, it can't be a road. There's no road there. You're right, there's not. But farther out there is a road, and you know, on foggy nights, it's really cool to go out there and experience because you have all these people out there, you know, come to see it and stuff, and every time the light comes up and illuminates the whole fogginess at the end, you know, all the people in the crowd are You're like, oh, wow, there it is, and it's it was one of my personally like favorite experiences that we had, even though it's just car headlights, but being out there with all the people and and experiencing it and stuff, and it was a very cool experience. So yeah, it's I've heard people talk before that they get these weird lights and they see like these orbs or something through their house and they have to find out it's like they see headlights and somehow it reflects, and then it reflects and looks like a've orb floating through their house was really just a car headlight from down the road. And people are reporting and seeing like these weird orbs in their home. It's like, again with me, I try and write everything off before I jump to conclusions. So it's like, why wouldn't how long have you lived there? You never noticed the headlights before? I don't know, So yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know something, you know, you put up a new picture or something, or turn a vase the wrong way, and now all of a sudden, the reflective surfaces pointing at the window, you know. It's it's little things like that, like I've I was sitting on my couch one day and I saw these two amber like glowing eyes slowly pulsing in and out, like blinking in my window, and I'm I'm kind of like freaked out. I'm like, what the heck is outside my window like staring at me with these amber eyes, and uh. I took my phone out and I started videoing it because I'm like, I don't know what this is, but I've been a documented, you know, before it goes away. And once I got you know, about a minute of this eyes blinking outside my window, I stood up and went towards it, and come to find out, I have a flash drive that plugs into the back of my TV and it it has a glowing amber light on it that slowly pulses, and it just happened to be in the right spot that it was reflecting in my window and at an angle where it looked it was reflecting twice. So it was these two reflections of this and it just looked like blinking amber eyes in the window, and it was it was really freaky looking, but it was literally just the jump drive in the back of my TV flashing and reflecting. So I absolutely see how somebody could could mistake something like that. Yeah, there's all sorts of weirdness that we think we see and it could be easily explained. But then there's those few cases to where there's things that you think you can explain and there's no explanation for them, and that's when you're like, what the hell. Absolutely, and that's that's that is absolutely what is important about this because once you have ruled out all of that other stuff and you can say it is not this, this, this, this, this, then your evidence is even better. Then you have an even better story. That is the stuff that you put out and and uh and share. And that's what we do. So no, that's kind of what I aim to do when I talk with people or whatever. And I'm not here to prove or disprove anyone. That's not my prerogative. It's not what this show is about or anything like that. And I've always told people I was like, I always look at things from a skeptical point of view, just because I'm not saying I'm not a believer. I'm very open minded, but I don't take everything as what someone is telling me to be one hundred percent true, and I'm not saying that they're lying, but it's like, maybe there's another explanation for it, if that makes any sense, Like absolutely, and there's always ways to try and figure that out. But obviously on a podcast, I can't sit here and be like, oh, you're wrong. This is not how people to do that. People that do that don't even need to be having a microphone behind them. They're just idiots. But I'm just like, I'm just here to let people talk about what they've experienced. I've you know, we go all over the country to different conventions and speaking engagements and stuff libraries and that people come up and they share their stories and they say, well, you know, do you believe in this stuff? Or do you believe in mermaids? Do you believe in this? Do you believe in dragons? And I'm like, you know what, I personally have experienced things that I would not expect anyone else to believe if they hadn't been there. And it is not my job to sit here and say that my experience is any more valid or any more real than something that you've experienced. I know what has happened to me in places that I've been, And like I said, there's there's some wild stories that nobody would believe. You know, I was there, and I don't. You known't necessarily believe that what happened happened. And when you know, so, I do I believe anybody that has a story, you know, with a grain of salt, because there are some some people out there. But for the most part, you come up and tell me a story and you say that a mermaid flopped out of the lake in your backyard, and I'll be like, Okay, do you have any evidence? Can I come and see it? Can I come look for the mermaid? You know, great, I'm happy for you, you know, but it's it's all it's all open, you know, until we have a solid uh, you know, a big foot in a cage somewhere that we can research and look at. There's there's no right or wrong answer to any of this stuff. It's all up for interpretation, and that's that's what makes it so interesting. And you know, following this path and trying to figure things out. Not to sound like a d bag here. The people have reached out to me. But in the last forty eight hours, I've had three different people reach out to me, and I don't know if they're just joking around or trolling or what's going on, but they've all said that they are a god really, and I have a schedule anything with them, my alice. I haven't even responded to them. One lady, I just straight up block because I said, I can go down some rabbit holes, but and then there's sometimes it's just like really, and one of the people that had reached out, they'd sent this message that all those years of people saying that they're crazy or whatever, and the voices in their heads are telling them all these things, they've determined that they're not really crazy, that they're just actually God and all the voices they're hearing is from other people and they're the living embodiment of God on earth. I was just like, okay, I mean, that sounds like schizophrenia to me, but you know, I'm not I'm not here to exploit anyone. And someone else said that they were not a god. Then by the end of it, they said they actually were a God and they're smarter than everyone else and like very egotistical like condescends like I don't want anything to do with that either. And someone else told me that some people think they could be possibly a god or a devil, but they're all knowing. I was like, okay, So it just seems strange. I got three of those in like a twenty four hour span. So I don't know if people are just out there screwing around with me or wa. But I've never really had anyone reach out to me about that stuff before, so it just seems strange. And all of a sudden, I got it all yesterday. The same person just emails you three times or something. But it is interesting. The middle one that you were talking about, where the hearing voices is the voices of all the people praying and stuff. That is a very deep concept right there. Like if there's something you know, forgive me, but if there's something like mentally wrong with the person you know, that's still like holy holy crap. You know. That's a very in depth, insightful thought, you know, And a completely different way to look at the whole topic of hearing voices and stuff. I don't know. I guess if if I was getting those to be like on one of my shows or something, I I would probably want to talk to well, at least that one I would want to talk to and just just for my personal sake of curiosity to you know, if you are a god, tell me, you know, give me some proof, give me some evidence you know you know something of that nature, because you know, there's there's weird things out there in the world, and who knows for real. And I mean I'm not I'm not saying that it's true or not, but it's definitely interesting. I just have like a moral compass to where I feel like, if I know someone's probably got something possibly mentally wrong or unstable, I'm not trying to bring them on here just to do that, because I don't want to be that person that go he doesn't care who he brings on, He just exploits it for content. That's not what I'm about. Oh yeah, absolutely, So anyone out there listening, I'm not trying to offend anyone or anything like that. It's just I try and keep myself with a good person and I don't want to be the type of person that seems like I'm taking advantage of anybody. Yeah. Absolutely, There's there's been times that I've I've interviewed people or something and it doesn't make the cut to be on a show or something just because, like you said, you know, you're not out there to exploit people or anything. But out of my own personal interest, I owe it to myself as a researcher and stuff to you know, go down those avenues and experience those stories and hear them because you know, I I've, like I said, I've I've heard a lot of weird stories that you know, most people wouldn't believe. But then you go there and you you investigate, and you you say, oh, well, maybe there is some truth to this, you know. And I'm not saying that's the case with these guys, but you know, every every avenue of legitimate weirdness should be explored if you can safely, and you know, just just for a little more clarification. One of the people that I continue to I don't want to say creep on them, but I keep looking at their page and like the stuff that they're posting or they're definitely not a yeah, if they're God, they wouldn't be posting on Facebook and some of the things it is there a profile picture God, Like, none of them had an actual photo of themselves. That's why I figure I feel like when I get messages from people that have no actual like their names are hard to even pronounce, like they built like random letters, all just thrown together, and they have no photos and it's all just like either like cartoon pictures or something like that. I feel like they're either bots or fake accounts or someone trying to troll people, and it's hard to we drew all the big stuff. I guess. So, like I said, I I'm picky, and when it comes to people, I schedule everyone that I can and I'm not trying to tell anyone no, they can't come on the show. But it's not I'm not here just to let every single person come on here and feed me a whole line of crap or whatever. I mean, it's if someone wants to do that and it gets through here, I guess that's a cool I mean, I don't what do you get out of I mean whatever. There was a completely off topic. But today there was something that I saw because I creep around and read it to and someone had posted up a video and it's like a three hour long video and I didn't watch it at all because it just the summary of it. Just this guy claimed he raised a dog man as a cub as a pet, and he uses it to go out and on other cryptids. I was like, man, I'm glad I don't put out content like this because you can literally tell it's he's trying to be serious about everything. That's a very sincere type thing. But I don't believe anyone can raise a dog man as like your pet and then go out and on with it like it just there's there's just a fine line there. You you had me up until the hunting other Cryptids thing. I mean like, like, let's say that, you know, dog man. Obviously, if flesh and blood, purely flesh and blood animal, it's got to reproduce. It's gonna have cubs. And let's say, you know, one of the cubs gets abandoned, somebody's out in the woods, they find it, they think it's a lost dog. I could buy the story of finding and raising one of these creatures. But then then we go down a little bit farther of the you know, the the hunting other cryptids thing, and it's like okay, well sure, no, yeah, And then there's been stories which again I've never heard this episode or anything about it, but I've heard people talking about how there's a guy that comes on some of these other shows and he was being attacked or being stalked by like a dog man, and the archangel Michael or something came down with a samurai sword chopped the dog man's head off and like all this was like what, Like, I wouldn't put anything like that out on an ear just because that's my own Like, if some else wants to do it, that's fine. I'm not here for I guess that I'd rather have something that sounds at least more realistic ideationalism of it. Yeah, So anyone anyone listening, if you're wanting to hear some of those crazier stories that sound very much like they need to be on a sci Fi channel movie, then you might want to look elsewhere because it's not gonna have it on my show. That's good, But yeah, I've been going on here for a little over an hour. Is there anything else you want to talk about? Or you good with wrapping this one up? I'm in I guess uh you know, Like I said, we have all of our documentaries out on YouTube. You can find us at Wisconsin Caps. Wisconsin is spelled out and then c APS stands for Cryptids, Anomalies and the Paranormal Society. You can find us on all the social media platforms there. I also have a book out. It is Bigfoot is Heighten Hydm and it documents ten years of research. It's co authored by myself and Craig Salt, the guy that we're I was speaking of earlier in the broadcast here on the Upper Michigan property. So it's ten years of evidence and research from the property in Upper Michigan. There's trail camera pictures and experiments that we've tried and all kinds of evidence in this book. It's available on Amazon dot com or you can get it at wisconsincaps dot com if you'd like an autograph copy. And we're also on Paraflex Paranormal Plus. We have a show on there called On the Trail of Undiscovered Beasts and season one is out now. It is all Bigfoot in Wisconsin. Different investigations and stories and stuff on there. We have on our YouTube everything from paranormal to as I said, we have UFO documentaries on there and Man, Bigfoot, you name it. We got something for everybody on there. And then, like I said, I also host to radio shows. I have Monsters on the Edge, which comes out every Monday on the Untold Radio Network. And the brand new show that actually debuted today is The Paranormal Spectrum, which is all paranormal and UFOs and that kind of stuff, and that's also on the Untold Radio Network. And you can find us in person all over the country. We're going to be in Pennsylvania in August, we are going to be in Chicago, Minnesota, Upper Michigan, all over the place. You can find that all on our website under the public events tab at wisconsincaps dot com. Anything you have that you want me to include in the show notes, you can send it over and for anyone listening you can go do the show notes and find all those links once I get them put in there. So sounds great. Well, Barnaby, it's been a player talking with you, glad I got a chat to have you on here tonight and speak with you absolutely. Thank you for having me. Yep, not a problem. Well, on that note, we're gonna wrap this one up, so again, thanks to Barnaby and thanks for listening. Good night, everyone. Remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make. Stay curious stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote, good night everyone,