Ep. 99: The Coverup

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoiltals. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Night's episode. We're going to be joined by Carrie. Carrie is a senior at ASU. She's majoring in mass communication and journalism. She's working on a project that involved the cover up of UFOs throughout the presidencies. 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So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Like thanks, time to welcome my guest tonight, Carrie. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Hi. Thank you. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing pretty good. It's getting pretty laid out here, but you know, hanging in there. This is my usual recording time. I have four children who are still upstairs a week so they're usually in bed at this point, but they're still up there beating around. So that's why I knew the nine o'clock such a little bit quieter here. Eventually I won't be in the house, it'll be out in the hopefully a studio at some point. So I don't have to worry about it. But right, well, here's to hoping my my thir children don't disrupt us at any point in time. That happens around here too. Sometimes it all will start barking at something. Why you barking? I'm sure they saw a leaf blow or something. Probably, Well, would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? All right? I am a student at ASU in the Walter Kronkite School of Fast Communication and Journalism. I just got done doing my thesis projects that was about the cover up and conspiracy through the presidential administrations, starting with Truman and the Roswell incidents. I think it's really important to know that I am a true believer of the non human and extraterrestrial phenomenon. I believe that in an ever expanding universe containing countless of billions of planets among other ethical bodies, with scientific evidence pointing to the potential of other life even on our own planet that we can't comprehend yet, and with unexplainable phenomenon experienced by people well daily in the skies and the oceans and even in their own backyard, I think it's kind of just a little uninformed to not at least acknowledge the potential that humankind may not be the only intelligent life to ever exist throughout the galaxy. I definitely believe there's something out there, and I don't know if it's from space. I could be on the complete wo side over here and say there's interdimensionals as well. I'm on that wu wu side. It's all right, But I believe that there are definitely other higher intelligent beings somewhere. I don't know if they're coming, like I said, through the vibrations, coming through frequencies into our world, if they're coming through trillions and billions of miles of space, which seems kind of ridiculous when you think about it, But it's what if it's both of those things. It could be a mixture of everything. Yeah, I think it's all connected one way or the other. Though, Like even when it comes to spiritual stuff and like even when you have cryptids and you have all the weird stuff. I think it's somehow all interconnected. So I don't know, absolutely agree with you on that. There's no way that it's not. There's a lot of instances that go on, and there's a lot of similarities to go on, and at the end of the day, there's too much strange stuff going on to just say that it's all separate. I think somehow they're all intertwined one way or the other. Some people say they're all demons. I don't necessarily agree with that. A lot of people think they're higher intelligent beings from a different wavelength. That's a possibility too. Like I said, I don't know anything, so I'm not saying like one way or the other. I just personally I have my opinion is I think it's somehow all connected. I think that all of those things are each a small part of one giant reality that none of us can comprehend at this point in time. Yeah, that's when I start to think about things too much. I honestly start to believe that we're all in like a simulation. And I don't want to say it's like the matrix, but but it kind of feels a little bit like that sometimes, you know. Yeah, especially when you dive into a lot of these weird conspiracies, when you start to go into different topics or whatever, it does seem like we're all literally living here and we have no control over anything. And it's basically not we're programmed to be here, and all the stuff that's coming in and out's from a different level that we can't see. So it's like, if you look at Super Mario Brothers, you're on level three of all these are up here on level four, right right. You got to get through our level just to get to the next level. But what is that next level? That's the higher intelligent beings that we can't see all the time exactly, But like how do we get there? Through the astral plane? And you leave your body, leave your consciousness or whatever leaves your body, and then basically you're going traveling through what they call the fabric of space and time. Again some people's inner monologue which I found out recently, the people some don't have that, which I think is kind of strange. But and people say your soul, your consciously, I think it's all one of the same too. But that is what travels into these other worlds or these other realms, other realities. So again, like I said, when you think about it, it almost does seem very simulation y. Going back to your maybe it's like different frequencies. What do you think about the solar flares, the frequency of the solar flares messing with the the geomagnets of the Earth, making these phenomenon more frequents and more visible. I've never done a lot of recent search into it. I would assume that if that is a possibility, that it would make sense. But to be honest, I don't have an opinion one where that because I've never really looked at it. But the thing that UH has always piqued my interests though, has been you do find a lot of strange activity in areas of high energy, and if you put it down I don't know what, I don't want to say a map. Basically, if you put down a map and you overlay it with like missing people, you over miss and you overlay that one with like big Foot sidings, you overlay that with like UFO sidings, like somehow, that's they're all almost in the same area. And a lot of these areas they're all around cave systems, they're all around national parks right exactly, and they're also the areas of very high energy. So it's like, what's going on in these high energy areas. It's gets attracting all these strange sightings and people just sup here. You see all sorts of weird stuff out there. So clearly there's something going on in these areas. And then conveniently we've made them national parks. They're off limits to people. You have to go in there, and they have to know you're in there, you know what I mean. Like, it's not just public to where you can always be out there. They're always controlled by the government. Yeah. Absolutely. But anyways, you mentioned with your thing for school about how you researched into the cover ups for the UFOs. Is that something you want to dive into. I'm sure my listener would like to hear that. Ah. Yeah. So I did an entire a weekly blog about the cover up through the Truman administration. I am going to be jumping into the Eisenhower posts of it next, which is kind of exciting. I dove into exactly what happened during Roswell and why the official report changed as many times as it did. It's really interesting to think about the fact that you can't just think about one event when it comes to things like this, because it's not just about Roswell. When you think about Roswell, you have to think about these special programs that came out of it, like Project Sign that changed into Project Grudge that changed into Project blue Book, you know, And when you go down the Project blue Book rabbit hole, you end up looking at the Majestic twelve and the Mirage Men and Richard Dodi and it's like, how is there still this same continuous thread all the way from nineteen forty seven that just like doesn't seem to want to go away. It stays completely unexplained. No matter how many things you look at, no matter how many people will tell you that they have the right answer, there's still more questions. It's just kind of crazy, even all the way up to when David Grush did his whole thing last year. Year before even he brought Roswell up into it, talking about how we still don't understand it, and it's like, yeah, you're right, we still don't understand it. But why, why this long later do we still not have any kind of solid answers. No, there's been a lot of cover ups from the originality of UFO's. One of my bricent episodes that just came out was called The Truth about Flying Saucers, and basically the whole term had been around for a long time, because that's what they used to call clee pigeons. They were doing the shootings and everything as far as launching them in the air shooting out. Then they call them flying saucers. Well, when Kenneth Arnold at his sighting, he said, it's the way it was flying, like a saucer would skip across the water. Well, that's how the whole term got misconstrued in the flying saucers for the original So the original thing wasn't even what he described. It's I've said it looked like a batwing, like the Batman battering or whatever you want to call it. The way it was shaped. Yeah, it was like crescent moon shaped. Yeah, And the public blew up with the whole UFO phenomena and called them flying saucers. Literally, everything UFO related became the standard discs shape UFO when in actuality, that's not even what was originally described. It makes it really easy for them to make a cover up. You know, when people are already hooked onto a saw, they're like, yeah, you think it's a saucer, Let's push that. Let's make sure that's what you think. Let's put that into your head. Let's put that into the media so that that's what you believe and then it's true. With out of sight, it's easy to control the narrative basically exactly, and it's easy to and put false information let it breed, and then basically you have these people who are out here talking about, oh, I saw this, I saw this, I saw this, when they're actually over here doing the real stuff and the stuff that they're saying they're seeing, they're just saying, these people are crazy. They can write it off, Oh there's no UFOs. They're not really lying at that point because they're not talking about the stuff the military to actually do, and so they're not denying their own doing. They're just saying, whatever these people are seeing is not really UFOs because technically they're not flying saucers, you know what I mean. So it's not like the government's in quote unquote lying in that rate. Their cover up is that was already mistaken for misidentification and ran with it as flying saucers. So when people say they saw flying saucers, when the government's saying there's no flying saucers, they're not lying at that point because there is no flying saucers exactly. It's kind of like, how again with Rush, how carefully he chose his words during that congressional hearing. When he refused to say alien, he refused to say extraterrestrial. He just continually kept repeating non human intelligence because to say aliens, to say extraterrestrial is putting it outside of Earth. That's where the whole And I forget what her name was, but she was one of the Congress people that was involved in it too. She'd mentioned interdimensional, which I thought was like, of all things to say, is like interdimension has been a hot topic here in the life past few years, special with podcasts and everyone jump on that bandwagon, and now Congress mentioned interdimensional. So it's like, hmm, so funny how when you look back at things after you learn truths, you look back and it's like, wow, they really did kind of just put it in your face. Is that what they do with Is that what they're doing when they bring interdimensional up outside of that hearing for you know, months, years, and then randomly they're like interdimensional. The funny thing is like dimensions have been around obviously, I think ofs. Einstein or whatever. It's like his theories says there's different dimensions mathematically, I don't know if they've ever proved that there are or aren't, but mathematically there's formulas that say there's different dimensions. But showing my age here the old into the Ninja Turtle's cartoon in comics or whatever, they had dimension X, which would be the tenth dimension, and that's where all like Ringing and the Predator and all those things came from, was dimension X. So that was a different dimension. So that was back in the eighties, So it's not anything new. It's just became popular all of a sudden to throw interdimensional at everything to see what sticks to it. But maybe more people are waking up to that fact. So that's why it's more accepted these days because a lot of people think cryptids, which I tend to agree that way too, Like they could be an interdimensional UFOs, they could be interdimensional aliens. Maybe they're not from space or from like we talked about earlier, they're interdimensional even ghost spirits whatever. What if they're just something there's something on a different plane that we don't see and they just bleed into our world every now and then, which again would be a different realm, a different dimension, a different not the world, but like something we just can't see, we've normally see in certain spectrums anyways, Right, So what if all the weird stuff that people are seeing has actually always been around, we just can't see what the naked eye? And again I go back to all of the solar flares disrupting the frequency of the magnetosphere, changing literally changing the frequency at which the Earth is living right now, making all of this stuff more visible more, making us more aware of it its presence. Mm hm. Now what about these cover ups that you kind of go into that you want to talk about, because I know it's strange, like the roswell things started right after World War Two, and without getting on Googles, I'm talking, so I don't like doing that, but basic around that time frame is when Project paper Clip was going on, which is when they brought over all of the Germans, all the Nazi scientists, Yeah yeah, and paid them to be our scientists and said, yeah they and then Warner von Braun or whatever his name was, started NASA and all sorts of stuff obviously goes into that, but what were they really doing? Because I'm trying to actually do an episode, trying to find someone to talk to about what the Nazis were up to, because they were looking for a lot of these lost technologies they were searching for like the Ark of the Covenant and other things like other relics from ancient technologies or whatever. But they also had some weird stuff that they were building, like the Nazi Bell, which was supposedly an anti gravity device shaped by the saucer. Yeah, it was almost the way they had it set up as almost as in the shape of a bell, sort of like it was a rounded type thing. And they did have flying discs too, they just never managed to get them to work correctly supposedly. But if that's all the stuff that they're screwed around with in the thirties and forties, who's to say what really came from all that. If they have these scientists working for them now, who's to say what really happened after that. So I never really went down the project paper clip of it. I got more interested to the Nazis and Antarctica aspect of after World War Two, and I'm pretty sure all of that is very much conspiracy theory. I don't I want to believe in Hollow Earth. I want to believe that Atlanteans are hiding up inside of Antarctica with the Nazis because I think that it's a fun story, but I don't know if I can hundred percent get on board with that one. I think that one's just a fun story, but the project paper Clip of it, I never really got into that one yet. There is a reason that no one can go to Antarctica. Yes, I know, everything about Antarctica is so weird, and like you have the reports of like the the medical people that can't fly over a certain spot and have to like go all the way around, and then the one guys that didn't it was a giant hole, and you have the Admiral Bird of it all, and there is a lot of stuff that says it depends on again if you people that are flat earthers think that's where the the dome meets like the firmament. And I'm not really a flat earther, But at the same time, like when you go to that rabbit hole and you start to question things too, so I try not to go down too many to worry, my wife gets real mad at me sometimes because I end up down that flat earth rabbit hole. And like I know, I understand science. I understand that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that it's not possible. It's not possible for the Earth to be flat, just like it's not possible for any of the other planets to be flat. But like, is it just as possible for any of the planets to be flat as it is for us to be living in a simulation? I don't know, you know, sometimes it gets a little crazy in there. Yeah. My biggest thing with flat Earth is when no matter where you're flying and people have talked to pilots and everything, pilots won't admit to it now, but like they do, and when they're not they claim that they don't ever see a curvature if you're flying in space and you do the mathematics for that theoretically, like if you can look across so many miles away, there's supposed to be so much amount of curvature for it, and a lot of the times you can still see things. Because I mentioned this on a previous episode. If I'm up in Michigan City on the lake, like Michigan, I can see Chicago over in the distance. But if you do the math, you shouldn't see a lot of this stuff because of the curvature because you're still like a good sixty something miles from there. So if you do the math of how the curve would go, most of that wouldn't be visible, but it still is. And they claim, well, it's because the light's reflecting through the atmosphere and you're still seeing. I was like, that just sounds more like bullshit to me. But that's just it doesn't make sense. And I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'm just saying the explanations seem stupid to the way, Like I'm not saying it's wrong, but like it just doesn't seem right, you know what I mean, Yeah, I do. It just seems a little off, like you're on to the right idea with it, but there's just something that doesn't quite line up. The atmosphere and the light and everything's reflecting and so basically it's going around a curve, so you're seeing everything straight. But if you go around a corner or a bend or whatever you're basically seeing, you're seeing around it like a corner, doesn't. That doesn't make any sense to me, Like, I don't know, it makes my brain hurt. That's why I try and stay away from the whole flatter thing. But if you believe in flat ear, if you believe in the fermat, you believe everything else, you may as well just say we're in a simulation, because that's literally what it sounds like, right. But I mean then you also have the whole like as above, so blow coming through in like every single theology, you know, I think the ancient Egyptians and the pyramids, Like you've got the as above so below in there everywhere, and it's still so like relevant in today's world. So like again with the whole, the flat or the firmament, the I don't know, it's weirdness and it's all very weird. Yeah, it's a whole lot of questions. Like I said, the more you dive into things, more questions you have, Like I started this to talk to people and look into things, and might have more questions now than I ever. Did you know? That's literally that was the end of my thesis. Defense was that it doesn't matter how many questions or how many answers I get. Every single answer just comes with an entire plethora of more questions, Like it's there is no answer. Your answer is just more questions always, and no matter what you dive into or what you look into. You're always gonna be laughed for the question. The reason I do this podcast because I had a weird experience and I wanted to try and see if I could figure out answers. Isn't it seventeen years later and doing this podcast for two years now, I have more questions about stuff than I ever did. Sounds about right. It was about a year and a half of researching Roswell and I'm still just stumped. Yeah, Roswell, to me, I don't quite understand the point of what that cover up what really was, because why did they instantly go off and say they had a flying saucer, which again, that was a term that was already being pressed by the media over Kenneth Arnold, who literally never said it was a flying saucer, And then the next day I think the Army retracts that statement. How did the first statement even make it out? You know what I mean? Like that photo of Justin Marcel's holding up the yeah yeah, So I think that first statement managed to make its way out because someone jumped the gun. Marcel talked to hot I believe who talked to Oh, I can't remember the other guy's name, but like it was just like a game of telephone, like one tells the other one tells the other one tells the other one. But like there's also the whole thought that was that initial article that came out, that initial announcement that came out a cover up in and of itself, because like part of the conspiracy goes that Roswell wasn't the actual crash. That Roswell was like planted there for braswels of fines specifically to pull away interest from an actual crash that had happened a couple of miles away that was heavily guarded and heavily like hmm, I can't think of a word, but it they kept that site completely under wraps by using Brazl's site as a distraction. Yeah, so it was using the term saucer in that first release. Again a distraction in itself. I think it was kind of I don't know what. I don't necessarily believe it was a weather balloon, but I think it was something that they weren't supposed to know about, and they quickly turned it to either balloom. I think they're up to no good anyways, doing some other sneaky stuff that they typically do. Flying Saucer got leaked, they were attracted them, that became even more popular. They just they're like, all right, let it, let that fee you. Let it just keep simmering as Flying Saucer because we don't want to really know what we were really doing exactly. They use the misinformation from Flying Saucer to cover up a lot of the stuff that they've done. So whatever it is that crashed, was it really something from space with bodies or is it some secret government shipped that they were dicking around with and it crashed and it came out saying, oh, UFO, I don't think it's a UFO because then we can keep on doing what we're doing and they'll never think it's us. They're gonna think it's aliens. Also that yeah, that's that's the whole project mogul of it. Mm hmm. I think a lot of the UFO stuff that we see about a good ninety something percent, i would say, or probably some sort of military aircraft. A lot of people see these weird things in the sky and everything else. It doesn't mean it's from space. They could literally be how long did they see these triangles? Flying around years. Yeah, the stealth bomber is pretty triangular. I'm not saying that's what it was. But the Stealth's bomber has been around and known for a long time. But what do you think has evolved since then, because that's like one of the last big secret airplanes they had, Oh, the stealth bombers, what do you think happened? They didn't just stop making things. So maybe these triangular craft are the new evolution of the stealths that we don't even know about. It doesn't mean they're from outer space. They're just secret government ships that they do that we don't know about. That's just maya more level headed skepticism, I guess. No. I mean it makes sense like that a lot of these things have come out to be military projects. But the ones that happens are the ones that keep at least me interested. It's they can release every Freedom of Information Act report that they want. I believe the number is at like ninety six percent or something like that they release, But it's that four percent that they don't that keeps me curious. Yeah, it's that it's that seven percent that blue Book couldn't identify that keeps me curious. I've always wondered about blue Book, how honest they really were. But blue Book was garbage. Blue Book was They came out and well, I mean that came out and said but basically in the Freedom of Information Act reports in the documents, they blue Book was there specifically to give people an answer. It was not there to do science. Project Sign before blue Book was there to do thee to do the science and Project Sign, they wanted to know what was actually happening. Project blue Book was literally there just to appease the people and give them an answer that the military would allow. I feel like with blue Book and anything that was really used to investigate UFOs was never taken seriously, just because I think they knew a lot of it again was probably just made up crap or well, Project Sign was taken very seriously, and in Projects Sign they found a lot of stuff that they did not understand and that they kind of got scared of. And it was kind of the fear that Project Sign gave them that they started to push the topic as a fringe topic so that they could, like you said earlier, control control to people. It was during Project Sign that they there was a classified document called the estimate of the situation that came out during Project Sign. It was in nineteen forty eight that they they basically said that that they were scared of this, that it that it was, it was making them nervous. There was several scientists that were on this estimate situation and then yeah, they they changed the name from Project Sign to Project Grudge and at that point in time started doing the work to discredit anybody that talked about it. I think that's when you started having your weird I don't want to like write off the abductions or anything like that, but I think it was around that time frame you started getting your calum mutilations, your alien abductions, and all this other stuff. And I think they were using that too as part of a control narrative just to try and just to try and like disseminate false information out there to the masses, because they want to use whatever is actually going on. They're putting in fake intel with these people. So that's like, you know, Richard Dody, right, Richard Dody Mirage. Yeah, I mean that's basically what you're talking about there is I mean he went to people and he would take these people that had experienced something who thought they had experienced something, you know, and he would tell them that not only did they experience that, but here's the true story. And then these people would go and tell their friends, you know, men and black showed up at my house and they told me that not only is this real, but all of this is real too, and making them sound even crazier than people already thought they were to begin with. It's because again, like I said, they want to like, you may have had an experience, and it may have been a real thing, but they're going to come out there and feed you more crap because they want to discredit you. So the more craziness they tell you, the more you spread it around, and the more it makes you look bad and the discredits everyone else is connected to it exactly. That's kind of what, like I said, that episode talked about was like the whole like Paul Benowitz and how they basically used him to spread misinformation because he believed everything that he was being told. He thought he was communicating with aliens, but it's actually the NSA that was communicating with him just to feed falls information to keep spreading amongst the UFO communities. So that's why I feel like today that stuff goes on too because I still think that's what they do. I don't think there's one hundred percent honesty in it. Again, they're never going to be because they feel like that we can't handle the truth about a lot of things, and you know, sometimes I don't think we need to know everything. But at the same time, it's if there's other intelligent beings out there, why are they hiding it? Like I don't That's where I've always come back to is if there's other things out there and they know about it, why do they keep the big secret? What is the point of keeping it a secret unless it's again being able to be weaponized to make money off of it exactly. That's that's why it's all about money. It's all about money and weapons, which again that's another rabbit hole that I don't want to dive into in this episode. But yeah, you want to talk a little bit about Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I know a little bit about it, But you want to talk about it here we can dive into Skinwalker Ranch is kind of where my thesis project had first started. It was my first idea was to do a deep dive of what happens there kind of merged into my conspiracy thing when I learned about the whole bigelow of it. But yeah, I have been incredibly just like obsessed with what's happening there since I saw the show. I've only watched a few episodes of it. But I struggle watching anything on television that because when it's on History Channel or anything, I feel like it is so staged. Yeah, it's hard to take serious. I watched the show The Hunt for the Skinwalker. I think it was on Amazon. I don't really remember a whole lot about it. I watched it when it came out, But that whole area there's been There's been a lot of stuff that's went on. There's been a lot of weird sightings that happened out there. I know they've seen all sorts of weird cryptids, and they've had crop circles, they've had alien stuff globes, they've had haunted stuff like and as I talked about a little bit ago, I just had an episode about the thirty third Parallel, and there's a lot of high strangeness activities have run along that parallel. A lot of weird stuff that's happened all across the world throughout history has happened on that parallel, and Skinwalker Ranch is just on the outskirts of that parallel. So who's to say that some of that that's not part of of what goes on there is because of where it's located. That parallel seems to have a lot of high energy attracted to it, Like there's a lot of UFO sightings through there. There's a lot of major cities on that and a lot of big tragedies happen on that parallel. So when it comes to Skinwalker Ranch, maybe it's because of where it's at there. Maybe there's like a natural vortex somewhere something that's the energies are coming from that's causing all these weird things to happen. And again I go back to the frequency that the Earth resonates at, right, Is it different at that thirty third parallel? Is that why things happen at that thirty third parallel because it is somehow a different frequency. I read that that in that thirty third parallel around most of the world, there's a line of court that goes through the entire thing. So is that line of courts rant vibrating at a different frequency, making all of this stuff be more visible. Yeah, And in addition to that, I'm also an astrology nerd. I've been taking a course in that outside of my school classes for the last year, and I found it really interesting that also on that thirty third parallel, on the other side of the globe is where the Hellenistic astrology first began. It's where the whole concept was originally created, way way, way, way way back. I didn't hear about that one. I know religious stuff, which again I'm not a religious type of person. But when I was interviewing the guy from the Awakening podcast, he's one talks about the thirty third parallel. He mentioned that I forget the mountain what it was, but it's on the thirty third parallel supposedly where the fallen angels are kicked out. The thirty three percent of the fallen angels got kicked out of Heaven down there, and that's the same area where Jesus was born, as the same area scrucified. Like, there's all sorts of weird stuff and all falls along that for religious aspects, and there's a lot of different things that have happened on that parallel too. Like I said, like just so happened to be where we dropped nuclear bombs on Japan. Happens to be there. Hollywood is there, Dallas is there where Kennedy was assassinated. I'm pretty sure it runs through somewhere in Alabama or wherever that it's not NASA, but they had there was another headquarters for NASA kind of used to be involved in that area. There's just so many different things, like the Middle East, like some places in Iraq, and then there's a i think even at parts of Israel or in it. It's just very strange when you follow that parallel around you see all the major things that it connects to. This might be a topic for my next blog. You're making me really thinks a lot here. It's definitely something worth checking out. I can my episode with him will come out for a while, but I can he's been another podcast. I can send you a link to something off fair of breaking and listen to what he's talked about. Ye yes, please. I've definitely done my research into the thirty third parallel, but I've looked more into it and the astrological sense and the skin Walker ranch since in the I don't if you've ever heard of the Kentucky Goblins. I believe it was an Amazon Prime documentary again on the third third parallel, So like I've heard all of that, but I did not realize the Hiroshima of it. I did not realize the jfk assassination of it. I didn't realize like the Christian religious aspect of it. Definitely some things I want to look into. The thirty third is the Freemasons, like the thirty third level of the Freemasons. During World War Two, Roosevelt would have been technically he served a third term, so he would have been the thirty third president. But if you want to go and not count him, the next president would have been I don't remember. I forget who it was right after Roosevelt, but that's when the whole Roswell, the UFO thing happened during the thirty third president. That he didn't point that out, but I was thinking, because Roosevelt was a thirty second president, well Roswell and all the UFO stuff happened in nineteen forty seven. I would have been right after Roosevelt died, so that it had whoever took over for Roosevelt as the president. So the thirty third president would have been when all this UFO stuff started happening. That's really interesting. I might throw that adding here because I kind of thought about that after we record. I was like, you know, we talked about Roosevelt. I was like, but I didn't mention the whole UFO thing afterwards. Yeah. So, but now back to Skinwalker Ranch. I always thought it was strange that Robert Bigelow bought it, owned it for about ten years, and they clearly were doing something because if you know him, he's mister aerospace or whatever, always looking for I don't know if he's like a legit dude that wants to find because he believes, or if he's just trying to be a billionaire and spend his money on stuff that can make him more money. You know, that's a really good question. I know that Brandon Fugel, who owns it now, says that he was absolutely a skeptic. He bought the ranch and started doing research on it to prove that it was all fake, that there was nothing actually there. But being on the property and doing the research has changed his mind, has changed his perspective. Mm hmm. I don't really know a whole lot about Brandon Bugle. I, like I said, I've only seen a couple of those episodes. I haven't really watched anything about it. But Robert Bigelow, he's he's been involved in a lot of different things, and I've always felt like he was someone he doesn't need the government, but I feel like he works with the government, you know what I mean. So it's hard to trust me. And when it's all sudden done and when it comes on television shows, I don't really trust what they're going to show you on television either, because they're not going to really disclose anything major on a TV show. They've all got their rules and regulations and they all the answer to somebody. While I absolutely agree with you on that, and I don't think that we'll ever actually see like the really crazy stuff that they see. They do all. Like I said, I watched the show, and I watched the show like a lot, like I've watched each episode way too many times, kind of a lot. But they all kind of have a tell, and it's Eric's. Eric Bard's tell is quite clear, and like when it's something that I think, in my opinion anyway, this is all just like in my head, right when it's something that's not real, when it's something that is like in there for the Hollywood effect, Eric Bird has a tell. He kind of gives this like sigh and this eye roll and this headshake, like here we go again. But he also has a tell in the opposite direction, whereas something actually scares him, where it actually freaks him out a little bit, and at that point in time is still the Hollywood effect, and they just he didn't know that it was coming and it just kind of scared him a little bit because he didn't know it was going to happen. Or is he actually seeing something and that's a natural reaction to him being frightened. Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to really know, like I said, without ever being around these people who really get an idea of what you're seeing and when they're not and what they're doing. And for me, like I said it, with it being on television, it's hard to take serious. But I don't doubt that they're not experiencing weird stuff going on out there because there's been weird stuff going on out there for years before it was ever owned by Bigelow. It's why he bought it, right, So I definitely agree that there's something going on out there, but I don't know if it's too thing that we'll ever know about other than what they tell us on the show and what they write about, because I think then they used to say there's like a large canine thing that used to patrol out there too, that see like like the hell hend or whatever they wanted to call it. It was almost like a really large black oolf looking dog thing. And I mean, I think that's the skin Walkers according to like Native traditions Native I want to say religions. I don't think that's the word I'm looking for here. Thing. Yeah, yeah, they it was something to do with the Navajo and the youths packed or something. But they're they're medicine people I believe would turn into the skin Walkers and kind of just go destroy things. If I am understanding the story correctly. Yeah, I think there they had to kill a family member or some something like they were good people. Basically they were waste like a witch doctor or what. Everyone like the medicine people, but they had to go and commit like murder of a family member, I think, in order to be able to take the shape of something else. Then they had they had to kill whatever shape they were trying to take. Again, I don't I'm not trying to say I believe in any of that stuff or I don't best believe any of it. I just I just that's just the lore of it. Who really knows at this point. If someone can take shapes of different things, then I feel like that would be weaponized too, and maybe that's why they're out there. Agreed. Well, if there's anything else you want to touch base on, we can, or if you want, we can wrap this up. I know it's getting late. I think I'm good. If you're good, Yeah, I'm I'm good. My mouse isn't working, so that's not good. But it died on me. But yeah, I appreciate you come honored and talk with me. Yeah. Absolutely, thank you for having me. Yeah, it's not a problem. Hopefully you can use this for your school and get your passing grade. Yeah, fingers crossed. Well again, appreciate you come on and talk with me, and I hope you have a good night. And I want to say to everyone listening, thanks for listening. I'll catch you on the next one. Thank you. Remember the truth lies and the stories we share. The connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the end NOE. Good night everyone,