Tinfoil Talks: The Mississinewa Triangle

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I am your host, Brandon Wright. Tonight is a special Tenfoil Tells Presents Tenfoil Talks, be joined by my guest, mister Matt Knapp from Bigfoot Crossroads in My Friend and Coast of Crinkled Conspiracies, Mister ed Corella. We're going to be discussing one of the projects I'm working on now, not sure where we're going to title it, but Mad dig coined the phrase the Mississino All triangle, so it kind of sticks with us. Maybe that's what we'll end up calling this, But basically it's about what I'm looking into around my regional area, start to see a lot of patterns and weird activity, starting to plot point some areas of interest. We're going to discuss some of that and try to talk about the documentary on wanting to make about it. So I hope you guys enjoy we're going to talk about find it interesting. Maybe before we jump into that, you've ever had an experience or story you'd like to share it, and you'd like to be on an episode of Tenfoil Tells. Make sure to reach out to me because in an email to Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com, or reach out to me through the website of tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. If you're a listener and you're from the Indiana area, especially up here in north central Indiana, if you've ever had a weird experience, even if you don't want to be on the show, I appreciate you reach out to me. Let me know a little bit about it because it kind of goes along with what I'm talking about in this episode. If you like to help the podcast out, I ask you to please share it around. Word of mouth is one of the best ways of helping the podcast out. You can also leave a five star rating in review wherever you listen to Tenfoil Tells at. If you're like me and you don't enjoy hearing all the ads on the episodes, you can always go to the Patreon. You get early access to all the episodes and they're all ad free. It's one dollar ninety nine cents a month. There's also exclusive content available on there as well, like Critical Conspiracies where you're here and I talk about a lot of stupid stuff, So make sure to check out the show notes for a link to the Patreon, and also make sure to follow me on all the social medias. We're gonna go ahead now and jump into this conversation with Ed and Matt. I hope you guys enjoy it, find it interesting, and again, if you have any information regarding some of the topics I'm talking about in my specific area, make sure to reach out and let me know. We're gonna dive on into it now. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Well, welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I am Brandon, I am joined by Matt from Bigfoot Crossroads, and also my friend ed, how you guys doing tonight. I'm good, I am doing awesome. Thanks for being on here tonight with me. It's kind of a spur of the moment thing. The guest was supposed to be hopping on here soon where I'm using the same link. So if he actually hops on, it's gonna be an interesting conversation because to my knowledge, he wasn't getting on this episode. So he said something to me the other day that said he wasn't gonna be able to hop on there. I was like, woll, I don't have a guest for tonight, so it could be a good chance to talk to you guys about some of the stuff we've got going on here in good old Indiana. So if he does, he's gonna have three hosts. You're gonna have three hosts talk, right. It'll be an interesting conversation because what he's gonna talk about is nothing to do. Well, I'm gonna talk about okay, But if he hops on here, then it will be an interesting conversation. But no, I just want to say thanks for coming on here tonight talking about me. Gotta for anyone out there listening, this is a little different of a conversation. We're not gonna talk about experiences or anything like that. I'm gonna actually give you guys a little bit of a rundown on some of the stuff that's going on here locally around my base camp of northern Indiana. It's from the far far northern Indiana. And Matt he's just here because he's cool and he's going to be my professional go to guy. Extremely cool, right right. Matt is an OG when it comes to research and looking into weird crypto type creatures. So I figured better to have someone that actually knows what they're doing beyond standby in case the shit goes down. I actually, that's actually interesting that you you're an expert on this. I mean, I know you got to show and I listened to it, but I didn't know like you knew a lot of things. So that's interesting to know that and the audience would know that. I mean, it's interesting that you call me an expert. But yeah, I mean, I'll listen to you guys scream and cry as you die at the hands of some monster out somewhere. That was the one thing that I keep thinking about when Ed and I had this conversation back in the summertime that I want to start documenting a lot of the weird stuff around here because I've been looking into it for several years and I've started to map things out and I started to see patterns, and then I started to feel like I'm getting too deep into this, and now I'm starting to be one of those weird conspiracy persons. So I went and bought cork cork board and some red yarn and started mapping things out. So I'm going balls deep into this time, and it's going full on into the whole conspiracy of it. But when Ed and I were talking about this, I'd said something to you about going up to these people's place and they suppose that dog man and bigfoot activity and all sorts of stuff, and you said, what happens if we actually find something? I was like, well, I didn't get that far, So I guess if something happens, just don't be the slowest person out there, because we got to run for it to find someone else slower. So I'm going to try and find someone that can't really run. They're gonna be the the fall guy. Literally there, I go kick him in the leg. I just take like a to go box of spare ribs and throw them out there. Maybe you know the tear from our death. Don't ask me why spare ribs. It just sounded like some of a monstrous eat. Here's my thing about it. And Matt, you researched a lot back in the day you went out and looked for Bigfoot. How often does people go out and look for things and actually ever come out finding something? Oh, geez, one to ten percent. I mean ten percent would be phenomenal. Closer to one percent, it hardly ever happens. The majority of your time is spent somewhere in miserable conditions, usually just listening to the surrounding environment and not really hearing anything other than natural noises. And it's plenty of time to get to know somebody, which is what you spend most of your time doing. So definitely take somebody that you get along with and can handle being around for an extended period of time, because that's going to be the only person to talk to. I've watched a lot of the documentaries lately that have been coming out and I've made this comment before, and I don't want to be guilty of the same thing, but I have a feeling it probably will be. So I feel like I have a crit I don't want to make something boring, right. I feel like every time I watch something new, you see talk heads for a few minutes and then there's nothing presented, like they walk around and like, oh, this is the area, and then they go on about their business. So it's like, I don't want to be guilty of doing that, but they're now that I'm trying to do this, I feel like, what am I going to do? Like I'm going to go out here in a couple of weeks and show people a location. Okay, where I are showing the location? Now, what I'm not expecting to go out there and seeing a friggin upright walking canine come walking out and be. Like, well, guys, well like, yeah, southern acts. They're always Southern. Anyone that listens to me knows when I do a different voice, I just my southerness pops up. Southern dog man, what you guys call a Southern accent? I guess we're from northern Indiana. But like everything is a Southern accent to you guys. Yes, And when I was Bostonian, when I was in Tennessee, I heard a lot of Southern accents. It's like, boy, my Southern accent doesn't sound anything like that. If I go at one advantage though, in your situation, and that's like if you look at other shows out there that do like episodes where they're going out looking for things, they're usually traveling all over the place, and you know, most of the time they're going to a new location and production has to set up and everything, and then they might film for a few days and then they pack up and move on to the next spot. But you're going to be like right there where you can run to places and actually spend some time in places, going back and forth if you wanted to. So that kind of increases your odds. For me, I'm right in the middle of everything. It's got like about an hour or so drive he comes down here for it, But all the stuff that I've literally mapped out is not even ten miles away. So and that's some of the things I was going to talk to you guys about because I think this is strange. My stuff happened just two three miles from where I live. I found out about stuff that happened on the south end of town. So I know that spot because I heard it on a different podcast. The only reason I know about that is because someone told me to check out this podcast. They said this guy's from Peru. So I listened, and the location that he gave, he says, right off the canal stream down by the Walbash River on the east end of town. I was like, Okay, I know where that's actually stuffed bam practice right there. So I asked my buddy if he'd ever heard of anything about that area, and he said, as a kid, he was always told not to go down there because some weird shit happened. Well, well, I think I might have known what the weird shit is because this guy claims that they were wolf come running into his camp. They were down there camping during Circus City Festival. For no one that's familiar with Indiana, especially Peru Indiana, we are the circus capital of the world. A lot of people call us clown town. Ed laughs about this because he thinks it's funny, but it's fine every time. The other thing about Peru that Ed likes, there's a restaurant called mister Weenie. There's a big old Wiener on the board there and uh it says it's mister Weenie time. So anytime Ed's and Prue he has to go give some mister Weenie. So anyone, anyone out there listening, find us some hot dogs and gift cards for read He likes the Wieners. But that's your that's your goal for coming down here to do the documentary. I'll feed you mister Weeni's every time. That's how I'll pay you for helping me. So like I guess, I don't know. I guess know we're talking about the clown things. So why did they choose their I mean, I guess I should go to the museum. Well here's the thing. Ben Wallace I think is his name, Benjamin Wallace. I know it's Wallace. I don't know the first name. I've probably done more research into this. I think it was like eighteen sixty nine or some shit like that. And they were the part of the traveling circus and they decided to set up camp here. I don't know why, and I'll know what the actual reasonings was. Another railroads was through here too, But where they set up camp at was along the miss Sinewa River. The miss Sinewal is very much Native American lands, the Miami Indians. This was their sacred lands where the I've sent you guys these little I don't know if I actually sent it to Matt, but the pinpoints that I just did here recently, every weird location I put a pinpoint in Google and they're there are certain spots that if you look at it, they're not that far apart, and a lot of the weird stuff seems to happen around these spots. So that side of town, it is where the Walbash River and the miss Cinema River meet the Missisinewa River. You go down a couple of miles, it's right at to the location where the original camp was for where they did the circus. Now they have the Circus Hall of Fame there. Back in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundred, theres of flood and a lot of the animals died. So they claim that land is haunted just because of the people that died and the animals that died during that flood. Now, part of the reason they built this dam was because of all the flooding. They built the dam in the nineteen sixties. I've been told where they built the dam was on top of some artesian wells, like underneath ground like wells and natural springs. They build it right on top of it. I don't know. If that's just story or if there's really truth behind That seems odd, but when I started looking into things, if you go from there, you go up there is seven pillars. Seven pillars is actually a natural formation. It's like a sacred ground. And not too far from there is where the Miami Indian tribes sacred sites were. But if you look up photos of seven Pillars, it's these formations along the edge of the river, and there's these columns and everything. It's like a natural formation. There's stories of buried treasure hidden back there, but no one could ever find the treasure because every time they'd go back there, there would be weird water, moccasins or something guarding the treasure. Who knows again folklore, but that is one of their sacred grounds. Now just a couple of miles from there is their burial ground. One of the stories from this area was fran She was a white girl that was kidnapped, taken hostage, by the Miami Indians. So a lot of the stuff around here is called Francis slogan. It's France slogan trail, there's France slogan like her graveside. There's all sorts of stuff for the local legends of her. Why is she so popular? I have no idea. Again, I should probably do a little bit more digging into that, but the Miami Indian stuff is very prevalent. I've reached out to someone from the Miami Indians. It's the actual chief's son. I went to school with him and I asked him about stories that I've heard, and he just read my message and never responded. So I'll keep digging. But there wasn't a lot to talk about it. You think I don't know. He probably thinks I'm crazy and just never talked to him. So I'm just pumping for information, which is true. I'm not a lie, like I'm doing research, buddy. So, but the circus thing I thought was strange because if you start to go down the rabbit hole, and this is straight up WLU but if you look into weird stuff, clowns have always been depicted as something strange, like what is the one thing that creeps most people out about circuses. Right, clowns? Right? Why is that? Why is there like a weird phobia of clowns? Where did that originate from? People can't say it. I think it was bad. Yeah, it was born from people's phobias with clowns. And this was actually mentioned on that podcast. I went on Stephen King. He writes a lot of stuff, but that sometimes if you start digging into things, it seems like he knows a little bit more than what he lets onto. M So. Take the whole clown aspect. What was it? It wasn't Old God. Basically that fed on fear. Who wasn't an alien? Was he was an alien? It was like an interdimensional being fed on fear? Kids fear? Right? What does the circus do? Brings children? Usually a lot of emotions through there. People claim that dog Man or some of these cryptids again, like I said, fullboo here, but they are interdimensional creatures that feed on your fear. That is a big thing that I've learned from looking into stuff. Is dog Man feed on fear? Where did that comes from? I have no idea, but sounds very similar to the same setup as it And if you look into the clown aspect. Clowns are notorious for scaring people even they're not trying to be. But is there something to that? Am I just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks? Most likely? Yes, But I thought that was a weird little connection because if you start to go over these paths where people had been seeing these quote unquote were wolves is what I was told. They didn't call them dogmen. It is literally in the same exact area. There's three different people that have had sightings right where the rivers meet, and if you go right down that river, you hit where the Hall of Fame is, So somewhere in that region is where the original camp was. Why is there three different people having experiences of quote unquote were wolves in the same exact location in different years really seen, and then as the Hall of Fame got anything to do with weird stuff, all the animals died from a flood going down that river, and then you hit Oky Pinocchi. It's a weird name. I don't know where it comes from. Sounds like Native American or whatever, right, but that is a very very known location for anyone around here that's in the paranormal stuff. They claim if you go there, you will have paranormal experiences. I've went there, I've camped there. I never had anything happen. Doesn't mean that other people doesn't. I'm just saying I personally never had any experiences there. The only thing that weird happened to us. We heard noises coming from the bushes, so my buddy lit it up with a paintball gun, and then we started hearing quacking. So pretty sure he lit up a duck with a paintball gun. Or or duckman r where wolf sound like a duck, so you wouldn't be on to it. True, true, hard. It's a hard noise to make, but I guess they can make people's voices. And all the stuff you're talking about, though, is just like setting off bells for me from my rolodex of paranormal knowledge, like the Artesian well thing like, there's always stories of like paranormal activity and folklore being tied to those locations. You've got the old Native American sacred grounds and burial sites and all that obviously a big deal, and Native Americans usually set up encampments along rivers and waterways like that. The place where you have the junction between the two waterways. That's another thing that people look for in the paranormal encrypted world. And then like the circus encampment. You know, I did a little bit of reading myself, you know, for most talking about it, and like that guy was I think in the Civil War and war was over, like bought like a bunch of like railroad cars that had like circus equipment and stuff and just started his own circus and it got really popular and he became part of like the circus community. And so that location he actually set up like an encampment where circuses would go during the winter and like store their equipment and their animals and stay there until it was traveling season again, you know, because back in the day they're traveling by like wagons and trains and stuff. So whenever it became winter, the circus was shut down essentially, And I guess like a lot of like really famous people used to stay there, like the Buffalo Bill people like that whole thing, which has been in movies and stuff. That circus used to camp there. So like there's no telling what people came in and out of there and what some of the things they may have done in their lifetimes or you know, brought with them. So it just kind of seems like this could be a situation where you have just a bunch of different things going on in one location that's just causing all this stuff to happen. That same location that you're speaking of. I have a video that was sent to me from someone that I used to go to school with. I was friends with him. He sent it to me because he says, I know you're into this type of stuff, so why don't you take a look at it. There is a very strange i'll call it a UFO because I don't know what it is other than that it's an oblong shape. You almost see like the lights spinning around it, and it's silent, that's really long, and it's really big on the video, and it's going right over that same exact spot where the three different people have had encounters, right where down where the rivers meet up. Is it a coincidence, most likely, but it's very strange that it's around that time frame. And what's interesting about it for me personally, I remember it specifically because when he sent me that video, it was right around the time that my desk was covered in a twenty seven flies I was dicking around with the video I was editing in an episode he'd sent me the video. I was messing around with it. I went outside, I come back in and there was twenty seven flies on my desk. I don't know how to explain the flies. This has nothing to do with what I'm looking into, but that's what makes me remember the video, the time frame and when I got that video, because that's what sticks out as the random flies that were all over my desk. It's something to that. Who knows. But the video itself like it's about a thirty second video and you just keep just seeing it going a straight line in silence. You hear him and his girlfriend or fiance. They're out having a campfire out in their backyard and they saw this thing. I messaged my buddy that lives down there as f he seeing anything, and I don't remember if he said he did, or he said he heard something or heard people saying something, but he doesn't know by what it was. But that's not the only thing that I've now turned over. The other day, I was contacted by someone who lives on the East Side, is actually on the outskirts of town. It's a little town called rich Valley. He was along the Wabash River. He was fishing, and his dog started to like freak out. He's hearing like whimpering and thought it was coyotes or something, and then he heard a very low, rumbly, deep growl. So he got up to go see what's down here. His dogs are freaking out, and he walks over and he sees these tracks. He sent me photos of the tracks. I think I sent it to you both. You can see his dog footprint and then you can see another dog footprint, but it's a lot bigger. He said. The only thing he's not into this type of stuff. He's not like a full on grypted person or anything about than anything like this. But he said, the thing that creeps him out is they appeared to be just on two legs. Like the way they were walking. This looks like of some of those bipedal that left the tracks in the mud. He doesn't know what type of a dog can lead bipedal tracks, especially something that big, because he had a sixty pound husky and that track is like double the size of a husky track, So who knows. That was in August of twenty twenty two. September, literally almost a month exactly to the date, just right up the road, someone had reported seeing a bigfoot seven and a half foot tall bigfoot walking across the road. I got that from the mapping project thing. So I have a guy down here on the river seeing footprints and hearing growls, and then a month later someone driving reports seeing a bigfoot, all in the same general area. And it's only a couple miles from where the rivers meet, which is just a tip of the iceberg. You start going back down to that river and you head back towards the Mississinowa. There's all sorts of different little sacred locations from the Miami Indians through there. One of the spots I've been told this by Bob Freeman when he was out hiking. It was around Goose Creek back in the eighties. They were being stalked by large black canines. And I don't remember exactly if they were on all fours were seen walking on hind lakes. He just says that they're being stalked by large black canines, and then he said that the Miami Indians used to have stories of large black wolf people and their lore. Again, I can't confirm that, because I can't get anyone from the Miami inst actually talk to me, so I don't know. But then there was reports recently that I've got mapped on there too, that I've actually went out and looked for where these flying humanoids were seen. This was just this past winter. Two different ladies supposedly seen on the opposite sides of the lake. If you look at them, they're almost in a straight line. One was on this road and one was on the other side of the lake on this road. The description and the reports were basically the same as whatever these things were. They thought there were people that opened up and they had wings, and they'd levitated. If you listen to the original depictions of Mothman, they'd levitated. They never saw them flapping wings. I think would just like rise up off the ground and then fly off, almost like Superman. So they didn't call the Mothman. I've started saying the Mothman because to me, it's what it sounds like. But that sounds like what they saw around Chicago, right which you know, Lon Struggler is the main researcher in the Chicago Mothman, and they just call it the Mothman. But he was on the recent Unsolved Mysteries episode talking about it, and he said that since then, since that episode aired, whoever it was, Netflix or whatever, has sent them like over one hundred more reports that people sent in from seeing that episode in that general area. And again it's like most of the sightings they described like a levitating humanoid. Yeah, which is interesting in the fact that that's what these ladies supposedly said. I wish I knew who they were, and I want to talk to them personally. I just interviewed someone yesterday. I did an in personal interview with her. This is back twenty plus years ago. She had an encounter on the outskirts of this area, so I got it mapped out there too, and what she saw was very strange in the sense that she was driving and a very tall figure was walking in front of her boat with it's back to her. And she said the only way that she could describe it was she thought it was an alien because it was a very tall, gray figure with a bulbous type head. Its head was bigger than the rest of its body, but not abnormally bigger. It's very tall and skinny and very lenky like, lengthy skinniness. But the thing that she said that stuck out to me was she stuck her head out the window to make sure that it was actually there and it's not just something she was seeing as a reflection through her window, and it was still there. But as she was driving, it was always the same distance, no matter how if she slowed down or went faster, was always in the same distance. So she got to a certain spot then it completely just disappeared. Like that's literally what happened to her. Again, I found this interesting. Not even a mile up the road someone had reported years ago bigfoot, so there was audios supposedly a bigfoot. I don't know. I haven't heard the audio, but it was on little mapping project. Thing is someone had posted seeing something there. You keep going up that road and then you get into Huntington. Someone had recently had a dog man in sighting around Huntingdon. This is near the Ceremony Reservoir, which all that connects to the Missipi Like all those little things are all around the same area. That area which I talked with Matt about this yesterday. There's a little island out there called Monument Island, and we were told them not to go out there when I rented the boat this past summer. They said that was the one spot we couldn't go to, and as we of course drove by it because we were told not to go that way. So I had to go investigate, because you don't tell me to do don't go, don't go somewhere, and I'm not gonna not gowere and see what was up that's all about. So we on tuned our way over there, and sure enough, there's signs all the way around this thing, no docking, no getting on the don't They don't want you there. It says Army Corps of Engineers. I recently talked to someone that works for the park. He said that even as an employee, they're not allowed to go there. That's company. He doesn't know why. He couldn't give me an explanation as to why. He just said that that is something that they're not allowed to go. That's one of the places it's off limits to them. Like I don't even think dn R is able to go there because it's Army land. And Matt figured out but just by doing a quick Google, which I did the same thing, it's where the original town was when they built the dam, it flooded up over the town. They had to relocate it. So why does it off limits. It's a very st it's not a huge thing, but. It's like the island. It's an island in the middle of the solomony, like like like solomony. How big do you think the island is by looking at you. Doesn't look very big on the man. No, that's like a couple of hundred feet like wide. So it's like where this was Maya city or whatever. And it's just the highest point at the town. So whenever they flooded it with the dam, that's just the only part that's still sticking up. Which there was a similar thing that happened too in miss Cinema when they made that damn. The original Summerset is now underwater. They had to relocate Summerset. The location of Somerset is where a lot of people say they see puck wedgies, which you're not familiar with. Puck Wedgies are. They're like the little humanoid like I don't want to call them fairy folk because they're more like spirit things, but they're like little earthy, spiritual type creature thingies. I don't know how to label them, because don't know if they're supposed to be a crypto, if there's supposed to be a spiritual then I'm not labeling them. We have them here and we don't talk about them. Well, that's what's funny. Not too far from there is what people call hobbit Land. Hobbit Land is where the War eighteen twelve was and that's where some of the burial grounds is from some of the Miami Indians. So there's a lot of weird stuff that went on there, and they're supposedly a Puckwadgi cave. I don't know. I'm gonna go look for this cave. That's gonna be one of the places we go look for it. So if we find a cave, we find a cave, we're going to go and piss off some little goblin people. But you guys are going to get tied up by brownies probably, huh. So it'd be like, what's that a movie with the Bruce Campbell where a bunch of little eagle did, Yeah, the Army of Darkness where there him ties himself up. So those are some of the little spots that I want to hit up because they're supposedly there. Now if they're actually there, I have no idea. I just. That's getting like an area are we talking about geographically just a few square miles? Like have a big Like if you go the whole area from Registerent from my house to Huntington, that's like thirty five miles, and if you go to the south, it's maybe like another twenty miles. So roughly just say thirty square miles. That's crazy, all this different kind of stuff all within a small area like that. Surely, surely there has to be something to at least one of the things. Why are there so many dog man, werewolf whatever things going on around the Wabash and the missus Sinawall River. That is the thing that stuck out the most to me is like where my stuff happened. It's between the Ill River and the Walbash River. The Ill River is just a mile to the north of Walbash is like two miles of the south. And if you listen to dog man experiencers, they claim that there's usually water sources around. I asked a lady that I talked to last week that's from Frankfurt, where she saw hers. It wasn't too far from a creek. Well. Water seems to be a conduit for paranormal stuff. If these are flesh and blood type things, obviously they're going to need water too. But what if it's something else? What if the And this is going back to the woo side, because people planning at this into my brain a couple of weeks ago, and I can't seem to shake it. Because you psychics out there or whatever you claim to be, I get your game. They claim that sometimes it's not necessarily like you replaced, but it's the lands themselves because of stuff that's happened to the land and water channels that. So let's just say something happened, Matt. You mentioned all the weird like the people coming in with the trains and the like the circus stuff. What could have happened? Well, could that be like a stain on the land? Well, I mean like circus performers, you know, and it's not just the performers, it's also like the crew, you know, the laborers, you know, the criminals would join circuses to have a job that didn't ask questions and free room and boordinary thing. So like that's kind of what I was getting at it, Like all the different types of people that there's no telling who was camped out there at what point in time and who did what, and it could be some really bad juju. Man. I could definitely see that happening. Well, here's another thing that I'm going to tie into this, and it's completely off topic, but it's not off topic bad things happening. There is a house right before you get it's in the same general area, follow the rivers and right around the curve where you stay on this highway. But there was a curve. There's a house up in the hill back in the nineteen twenties and thirties that was a mob house for the Chicago mafia, and this is where they'd bring stuff and they were smuggling, like during Prohibition, this was one of their trafficking houses and out in the fields or whatever there were supposedly this is where they'd get rid of some of the bodies because back in those days it's all gang violent wars because you the police and Prohibition and your other rivals were out there trying to get the hoots out to everybody. So it's like, is that a true story? I don't know, but I know the house is there and I've been told that since I've been a kid, so that story has been lingering. I feel like when people talk about stuff, there's usually some sort of I won't say truth, but something had to influence those stories one way or the other. And I mean, you don't know. I mean, you know it's that whole thing about history is written by you know, the victors or whatever. The Native American lands that were there. There's no telling what happened to get them to move and go, you know what I mean. I know a lot of it happened because not too far from here is the Trail of Tears where they force them all to walk out west forcibly, not by whatever. But so if you go over to the just the other county over Cass County, you'll see a lot of stuff for the pot of Watomy Trail of Tears, and that's where they forced again a lot of the Native from around here to leave their lands. Yeah, they forced them here. We have a town called Miami, We've got Potawatamie County, Like, yeah, this was the destination. Man. All those tribes like eventually came here. So and if they refused to go, they were just killed mm hm, Which is like there was probably a lot of the curses put on the land and the people that were at you know, the heart of the matter causing it. So yeah. Now, one of the other spots that I've noticed is it's kind of north of here, but it's not terribly far. And there was a recent bigfoot sighting probably two or three years ago, and I was looking at that on the map too, and there was apparently another one back in the seventies in the same general area, but where this was. Again it's not terribly far from a river a creek up in that area, So again it's there. Always seems to be some of the weird connections, and it always seems to be with water. These waterways seem to channel something. And I mentioned oke Pinochi. There was a recent murder out there back four years ago. Four oh, I've been six years ago. But the guy got killed for like pocket change. Basically, they lured someone out there and then beat him to death and left him. The people have been arrested, they've been tried everything else. I want to go back there because of people. This was their big haunted area location wherever. But literally the pull off spotted right next to the Mississiniwa River. There's been a lot of satanic ritual stuff going on out there over the years. Everyone, so don't go out there because it's weed satanic panic. Back in those eras, that was the big no no place to go to. Well, of course, as a high schooler, that's where I'm going camping, because why not. And again, the only thing we saw was random people roadying back there. That was the weirdest things that ever happened to us. But I haven't been back there in years. But now, when we were out looking for the flying humanoids back in March, I tried to drive back there and they've closed it off. You can go so far back, but now there's a blockade in front of it. They won't let you drive back there. It's all federal lands now. I don't know how long it's been federal lands. But if you look on a map, it still comes up part of the Miami Indian area they listed as I've rey was, but that okay, Butanoki actually shows up now, like at least my iPhone maps. And there's a lot of weird stuff out in that area too. Because again you can almost make you can do this with anything to be honest if you try to. But you can almost make like a straight lines and connect some of these things, which I think is strange. If you do a line in a line, I don't like spotspot spot, you can draw straight lines? Is that not unnatural? Like you're having some random you know, Like it's if I plot right up here and I go straight down to where these people have dog man experiences. I go from my experience to the dog man's in Peru. I keep hitting the sacred lands of seven Pillars, I keep going down on the never hit spots to where people had seen this thing, and then keep going down and you see somewhere, see them all man, and keep going down and go into Hobbitland. How does that work? Like on one straight shot you hit all those little foot locations. So it seems weird, But I'm not saying it's connected. It's just an odd thing. I wonder what the lay lines look like whenever you overlay them on those lines that you've blooded. That is a good question. I don't want to do that with Google Earth. I'm sure there's something you could do with that. But there's this place here on the Oklahoma Texas border called Brown Springs and it's got like a lot of history. I've done several episodes over the years about it, and it's this basically a park state owned park campground, but I mean the place is famous for like paranormal stuff, dog Man, Bigfoot, organized crime, body dump spot, you know, like there's an old cemetery, there, an old Native American burial site, like an artesian well. And it's literally on the banks of the Red River, which is the river that forms the border between Texas and Oklahoma. And it just sounds remarkably similar to the type of location you're describing. All Right, It's weird because again, everything seems to be somehow connected. I don't know how to pinpoint it all together. That's literally why I want to do this and why I wanted to film things, because I can't be the only person that sees it. Maybe I've looked at it too much. And now I'm making that connection because I've been searching for answers for almost twenty years and now I'm like, I'm onto something. I've got the breadcrumbs. But there's something strange about this whole thing. These random occurrences, these random encounters, I don't think they're random. I mean they are in the sense of it happens to random people. But I think there's more too than just that. I think there's still something going on, and I don't know how else to figure it out besides maybe going out there and see if I can't kick some rocks over and maybe pissed something off. Apparently that's what I do, and it's just it's gonna be out there to record it and be the life bait. Probably. How do you how do you feel about all this? Now that I've kind of filled you in on what I'm planning on doing, I kind. Of already had an idea. I mean, he basically showed me maps of shit and like where things have been going, and yeah, that makes sense. Why you don't want footage or each spot. You're probably like this motherfucker's gonna get me killed. Well, I've been walking a lot of woods anyway, filming shit, so it's nothing new. I mean, I didn't have any encounter of anything, but I have not like actually like watched all these film all this footage and like try to look for something crazy. What do you think's gonna happen if he finds something? I just I'm asking I'm asking you the question you asked me. Well, most likely their equipment will die and it'll run off if it's supposed to suck. Are you going to go after it with me? Are you just gonna watch me run off into the woods. I probably leave it alone, just like everybody else has to be honest. I mean, we can't capture, we're not allowed to kill it or whatever, depending on what it is. I can wave at it, just you know, Hey. Matt, has there ever been an instance that you're aware of that anyone that's ever encountered anything has actually been harmed by them? I mean. That I know for a fact happened, or that I've heard of either, or I know a lot of people say that they've they've been terrorized by things, but like, well, you live to tell the tale. There was one instance where supposedly these two guys were out researching, these old school researchers from Ohio and they were setting up a microphone system. And this is before technology, you know, So. They literally got like microphone cords like strung out, and they're like burying the cords underground or something and taping a microphone to a tree or something like that, and like supposedly a bigfoot bonked one of the guys on the head or twisted his head real fast and knocked him out and grabbed him up and started running off with him. And the guy came back to consciousness being carried over the shoulder of this thing, and he was able to reach down, and I think he had a pistol on him and shot this thing in the ribs and it yelled and dropped him and took off running, and his buddy came running up to him supposedly saw the whole thing. Dallas and Wayne were their names, Dallas Gilbert, and he's passed away since then, but Wayne's still alive, but he won't talk about it or anything. And what I can tell you to support the claim that it happened was Dallas and Wane were very I would say, down to earth bigfooters in the sense of if they weren't like woo or anything like that. And after this event supposedly happened, Dallas especially wasn't ever the same. He didn't act the same at all. He started getting kind of paranoid and making all kinds of crazy claims and stuff. He would go out and just take random photos of an area and then come back and study the photos with a magnifying glass and circle all the faces and the trees and stuff. It just became like a really weird dude compared to how he was before this, inn't it supposedly happened, so he definitely changed. Something happened that definitely caused him to change. If he was actually bonked on the head and cart it all and try a big foot in the ribs, I don't know, but that was what the story was. But other than that, uh no, there hasn't been any events where any of these things have like done right, attacked a bigfooter or a researcher or anything. When I saw what I did, why didn't it come after me? If I'm literally fifteen feet from it and it wanted to get me, why was it more concerned with leading? That's what's been bothering me about the whole thing. It would have made more sense to me if this thing was actually this big, ravenous, crazy monster. Why did it like just look at me like, oh peace, dude, and go off about its business? Like why did it not want any That's the one thing that I don't understand about the whole thing. At this point, I just wish it was a It really was just aliens and this is just what they put in my brain to mind fuck with me. This is such a random ass thing that I don't know how to deal with it at this point. Not talking about it for so long I actually seem to work better because I've been more open about it. It's made my curiosity go worse. Like now I'm not here wanting to go running out in the woods, and I've never been someone that wants to do that, so I am I going full on crazy. I've got the the corkboard. I'm looking at a little rope tight to it, the little. Spots now, So I mean whenever, like that day, it started up with like you sending me a meme of the corkboard and then like saying like, yeah, I'm gonna do this in the studio behind me. Oh, that will be funny, and then you like get the stuff and then you're like actually doing it. He thought I was joking, Like, it's not a joke, it's not a meme, it's for real. Yeah, it's it's in here. So it's like I'm not going insane with it. Like for me, it's I'm still rational in the sense of I gotta do what I gotta do to survive, but at this point, like it's now become my next hyperfixation. Dude, you've sat on what happened to you for a very long time, and then you started a podcast, and part of the reason that you started that podcast was seeking answers about what you experienced, you know, and that's why you were listening to other podcasts. And now that you know you've got a little bit of miles behind you in the podcast world, you know that you haven't found any of those answers. So I think this. Is just the next logical step in your progression of trying to find those answers. That makes sense. See, this is why I asked Matt to be on it. He's smart. Sure, I don't know about that. I mean, I also went out in the woods and looked for Bigfoot, so keep that not too smart. I wonder though, like you could see you have all these like different encounters, some of years apart, whatever, and I don't know how many people. You probably have a lot of people that lived there. Anyway, I'm surprised, like it'd be more freaking unless somebody's talking about it, or they're just like the same, like I don't know what I saw whatever. I made a post in a local Peru group, Okay, several people have messaged me stuff like two three, there's been like four or five people. Okay, none of them have mentioned seeing that that They've talked about weird paranormal stuff, and that's I'm not trying to be saying I'm not interested in that aspect to it, but that's not really what I'm going after, right, Like the weird paranormal stuff, I literally live with that. So it's like I'm not trying to go out and do that, which brings me up to what we talked about earlier. This weekend, we were invited to go to this weird paranormal thing that goes on just on the outskirts of them the missis Sanawa Reservoirs Atonic sex cult. Right now, this this place has been known for a long time be very very very creepy. My wife has actually been there for other reasons and she said, as soon as you walk into the place, that just feels heavy, like there is a very weird vibe to it. We lived in that town. It's converse. Just now I just moved from four years ago to where we lived now. My wife lived there for most of her life. That's where we lived before removed back up here, and I know the building. I've never been into the building. The weird thing about that building is the third floor used to be where the KKK used to have their meetings back in the one hundred years ago or whatever it was, back when the Klan was apparently prevalent, and a lot of weird and bad things happened at that place. Just I don't know all the glory details, no shit, right, but a lot of bad things happened there. So Bob, he asked if I wanted to come down there and talk to him, because I've told him about what I'm looking into. Because of all the people that are from around here, Bob has been doing this stuff for like almost fifty years. He's very knowledgeable about a lot of the local legends and stuff because he's been very interested in So he's one of the ones that actually runs this place. He does people want to come and investigate. He's the one opens it up for him, let's him go in there. So I want to go down there and talk to him again. Not so much about that place, because I don't know if it's connected to anything that I'm looking for. But if you do a little line, it connects you right on that same line pattern to where other weird stuff happens. Am I just seeing things? And am I making things happen because I'm drawing lines? No? Because I didn't plot these things. These are the plaus that people have been telling me, you know what I mean. So it's not like I'm not subconsciously making this stuff. He's not got a dart a dart and just starts fucking shooting throwing darts at a place like oh, I'm gonna. Yeah, yeah, So it's like I'm going off the locations of what people have said. Hmm. It's also weird because like, sometimes you have a situation, especially in a small geographic area like that, where let's say, somebody has a big foot sighting or says they have a bigfoot sighting, and then you know that starts spreading around town or whatever, and then like somebody else hears something or see something weird and they're like, oh, I had a big foot sighting too, and it kind of takes off like that, and then you've got a situation where ten different people have seen Bigfoot, but in reality, maybe one has, maybe nobody has. But this is all different types of things being reported. It's not just like somebody heard about a dog man setting, so somebody else all of a sudden has a dog man sign. It's all different types of things, So that makes it even weirder. To me, I can't get past the random recent flying humanoid things. To me, that is a if true, like what would have Usually when people see mothman and they think of the bridge, like the right behind me, the mall Man of West Virginia. That was a everyone was seeing that during the time. It was almost like, what was about a twelve month span. They were seeing it till that bridge collapse, and they never seen it after that. Yeah, so a lot of people think that the Mothman was kind of like a premonition of something bad going to happen, like a harbinger. People claim that they've seen mothmen over in Chernobyl, which I don't know how true that is or not. That's just one of the stories. Now you have the Chicago Mothman. Nothing's really tragically happened up there. I mean, Chicago is like the murder capital of the United States right now, And like I, you know, I've talked to you before how I used to be in an actual reporter of sorts. Every weekend, and I mean every weekend, we would report the death toll for Chicago for that weekend, and it was always like, you know, twenty four people killed, eleven people killed. You just don't hear about it because it happened so much. And I kind of wondered if. Like, maybe that's tied to it somehow. It's not interesting anymore because it's so common. Yeah, it's just like you know, drive bys and gang shooting, so they don't really care. Chicago's taken over for Gary in Detroit. For a long time, Gary, Indiana used to be like the murder capital of the world, and then I think went to Detroit and now it's gone to Chicago, which is completely off topic. But I used to have to work in Gary a lot, so I think that's probably why running out into the woods after monsters doesn't scare me these days. Now I've heard wonderful things about Gary a real getaway destination. I mean, is this sarcasm, Yes, absolutely, this is one hundred percent no bullshit, true story. I used to work for the Highway Department and they sent my ass to help plow Gary and they had me following a guy through downtown and he told me to get up on the sidewalk and start plowing it, to put the plow on the edge of the sidewalk. I was like, dude, we plow roads, not the sidewalk. So I don't know if he was just screwing with me to try and get me in trouble or what. But I was throwing big piles of snow over on people on the sidewalks. He's like, their fault, they're not moving. I was like, am I killing people? The guy? Am I burying these homeless people? At this point? But he told me don't stop at any of the red lights, and he didn't. I was following, he didn't stop. He said, you never stop because you don't want people jacking the vehicle. We're driving big dump trucks full of sault with big plows on it, and we're not allowed to stop at the red lights. We just kind of coston through because you don't want people to steal the dump truck. So for me, I didn't. I was terrified, not because I thought people were going to hard jack the truck. I thought I was killing people because I don't know who I'm burying under all the snow. Find them a spring. I mean, I live in Oklahoma and I've heard about Gary. I think everyone has it, so it's pretty bad. But that is ah. I think that's some of the reasoning as to why I'm a little different when it comes to people being afraid of things. For me, I'm not afraid of going out and I guess looking for things that could possibly kill me because for a year and a half I had to work in a town that every day I figured out going to murder. So that reminds me. I know somebody that also is from Converse. I wonder if she's heard of that location. You're telling me, you don't have to send me that because then I'll ask her because she's from Converse. Yeah, hmmm, send me that ship. I'm gonna ask her about it. I will. She probably knows my probably knows my wife. She she's about my age, so I don't know. I don't know my wife. He's been on the fire department there. But no, but I don't think she's lived there in a long time, so I doubt she would have known your wife because she's older. She's like, again, my age. My wife's only thirty three. I'm apparently like younger ladies. Damn start calling you Jesus, No one's gonna understand that reference. But no, I don't, like, yeah, yeah, that'd be interesting if she knows anything about that, because she's from there and I've been. I've been to converse, but we just stayed at her parents' house because we were going through, like doing a couple of shows, and we ended up in good Old Marian. So the one thing about the new hats I have, if I have my headphones on it, they stabbed me in the head. So if anyone buys a tenfoil tails hat, don't don't wear big headphones on top of I guess you got sued right, just put a disclaimer on them. There you go. So no, I don't. I don't know where to start. Basically, where's a good place to start. I'm supposed to be taking a group of people out here in a couple of weeks. Well, if you're let's see if we go in the furthest away first and then kind of go closer. Where we're meeting at it was actually I was having a couple of them meet here, and then an event page got made for it and my home address was put out there, like I can't have my home address out there for the world to know. Well, that's random that they did that when it was your idea. So I changed it to the truck stop on the highway because it's not terribly far from where I had my counter. So I figured that would be the first place I take people too, because that's the one I easiest one to go to because right here, sure, and then I'm halfway tended to drive up the driveway of the alpaca farm that got put in there and asked the people live, so, hey, there any weird like dog things out here chasing your out package or anything? Is it like I actual business? They have a sign about al Paco's, but we were there four years ago, only watched one and give birth. Maybe you should call him and tell me what you're doing before you like show up all weird. Well here's the thing. I actually spoke about this at one of the recent things, and someone went to the guy and told them about me and what I experienced out there, and they tried to call me to come over there. I was like, no, maybe you saw an out PACKA. But before they made. The part maybe I've said that too. Was like, what if everything that I've experienced with just an OUTPACKA but except that no. Sad weird looking. There's so weird looking it'd be weird just to see a fucking back of an out pack, which walking. Around I could totally get by. Was saying, yeah, it was an out PACKA, but it was not an outpack as much as I wish it was just an out packing Well, like I said, you know, you know what you saw. I just the pack is just kind of scary looking in the dark. I'd assume. This is what was funny about it. I talked about this on Tony's show, The air felt Weird. I don't know if I've ever really like mentioned this before, but like, have you ever went outside when it's so cold outside and you can feel like it just feels different, Like you can feel every like there's silence, you can like your breath is crisp, you know what I mean? Right? Like that is how it was. You could almost smell like any type of smell. I didn't smell a single thing. We were out driving our vehicles. You think could smell the fumes because usually in the wintertime, I feel like my sinuses on my sense of smells stronger in the winter for whatever reason, is because everything is frozen. But the thing that I was thinking about, we were right by the highway. I don't remember hearing vehicles go by. It's not like I was really paying attention to that. I was also like four thirty in the morning, right, But I don't remember vehicles. I don't remember hearing anything. I don't remember smelling anything. And the air was like it just felt like a really thick, heavy air, which is weird because it should have been crisp, clear. Dude, what if portals aren't like doors but are more like a giant bubble and you were inside the bubble. And that's kind of what I think we talked about. I don't remember exactly how he phrased it. But. Kind of what I was thinking is what if things don't just bleed into our world? What if we somehow bleed into theirs. So basically, if you think of stranger things and you know how, she gets in this tub and her mind goes into this watery thing, not trying to spoil it for anybody. But if you haven't watched Stranger Things at this point, like Stranger Things, is that a movie or so? Anyways, basically, when this girl is in there trying to find things with her mind, it seems to be like they're walking in water. Do you believe that Hollywood has a way of showing things like planting seeds of truth in a lot of the fiction that they put out there for people. So let's just say this is partially true that there is a quote unquote upside down, but it's actually just a different reality that all these things are around us. We just don't see it. It's like a different form of our world. So let's just say we happen to into this bubble. We're on one end of the bridge. This thing is on another end of the bridge. That is why what was walking in the road did not give a crap that the car in front of me almost ran it over. It didn't care that I almost ran it over. And then we left, turned around and came back into it, and it's manifesting itself into whatever this dog thing is. The dog growls at me whatever, but then it crouches down in this weird hungered down almost like taking a shit position, and walks off all goofy on its two legs, but its front legs are up like this. It brought them up here and walked off really small and then disappears. Where the hell did it go? I literally talked to someone that lady yesterday. She says, I know it sounds weird or whatever, like it just it was gone. I can relate to that, where the hell did it go? Like people that chase Bigfoot, they say they disappear. Where are the You can attest to this, Matt, like people find footprints, where do they go? I mean, I have like explanations, but I I mean, I don't know. I've never personally been in a situation where the tracks just disappeared. I was in situations where, because of the type of ground that it was on, you could only see certain tracks. But if you like felt the ground in the gate, you know, measured the gate and went like okay, the next step should be here, and felt around on the ground, you could feel the impression or whatever. But I can tell you something that I've experienced numerous times, was you hear something that sounds bipedal and very large, like breaking limbs and crushing debris on the ground and coming towards you, making all this noise, and they come right up, like maybe thirty feet away and just stop. And that sense of like the air, the environment feeling different is going on, and it's like everything is almost like energized, like before a storm or something. It has that sort of feel to it. And then after a little while you realize that everything has gone back to calm and everything's fine, and whatever it is is just gone now. But you don't hear it go crashing off. They don't make any noise when they leave, so why make all that noise as they approach you? And if they can be completely silent anytime they want, and they do that whenever they leave, are they actually just being quiet and leaving or are they just vanishing? So that's where I get hung up on it, because for me, if they're making noise, they have to be some sort of physical thing here at least that's what my science brain tells me. So how can something physically make noise yet not be physically around after that? You know what I mean? How do they just I mean, how do ghosts make noise? Whenever noise is produced? By like the vibration of matter, Like we make noise because our vocal cords vibrate as air travels through them. So like, how does a ghost talk? How do you record a ghost voice if they don't have anything solid to make the sound with? How does one know that we're recording ghost? What do we know? This is a rhetorical question, not but what is a ghost? I mean, yeah, that is a question that you'll never get a definitive answer. Some one really knows, like are they spirits of dead people? Or are there something completely else? That's kind of what you saw, Like that had to have been a physical creature because it was walking on the ground. If it wasn't a physical creature, it wouldn't be walking on the ground. Gravity wouldn't have an effect on it, you know, it wouldn't have to be stepping on the ground itself. All right, And I wouldn't know how to go down to a ditch, yeah, which the ditch isn't really a ditch, So it's kind of again that whole thing. I literally play through this almost every day through my head. I drive down that road all the time, and I'm just waiting to see something. We came down it not long ago. My kids were like, m I saw someone had Halloween decorations on. They had lights up, and I thought they're eyeballs. I think my whole actually my whole family was with me. I was like, I got excited because I thought there were eyes, and sorry, family, I'm told them out the VANDONI as if it walks out in front of me, I'm flooring, and I don't care like people get mad if I say something like that. But you're gonna really kill that thing. I mean, if I have to, I'm probably not gonna enough killing. I'm probably gonna make it mad. But or it'll disappear right impact, you know, would be really screwed up. I hit it and I stopped, and I get out and looking and there's a dude laying there, and then you're like, well that I were wolf or that is right over a person. I shouldscribe it shouldn't have been on the road. Should have been on the road there, wolf boy, right, wolf boy. So now that's uh, that's what I've got going on here in the world of ten foil Taels. I'm going to attempt to not make a boring documentary, but it'll probably not be in a boring documentary because unless I get attacked by a werewolf for a bigfoot, or a get abducted by UFO or ass alt Native American spirits, or it gets attacked by random racist kk CA members or something from nineteen twenties, probably I don't know how interesting it's going to be, but this is my evolution for answers. Well, I mean, if it's gonna have narration, like overdubbed, that should help. I mean, Matt, you want to be the narrator, yeah, just you know, we'll have to like live stream it directly to my computer or something, but make sure that I have everything saved in case something happens to you guys, right, they were never seen again? No, no, you have that other guy who and they were never seen again. What do you think about that audience? I don't know that is I might not be able to afford him, right, But basically for me, it's like I want to do this because I want to look for more stuff that's out there. I think you're just going along because you want to have that little notch on your editing. You're movie making things. I don't know. I mean, it's gonna be kind of I don't know. I'm just sad I did. But like I don't think we'll find anything, man, because the time people find it anything not looking for I'm not looking for it, just like you weren't. Just like about everybody else that ever had an experience was not really expecting to see something, except for Matt, who actually had an experience by going on. Look whatt like in your area? Right? I mean, were those people were they looking for it? And then it happened? No. The one guy come up and told me was when I spoke at this event a couple of weeks ago. He literally sat in the back and I wanted to talk to him, but he left before I got a chance to him and a lady were sitting in the very back, and I asked if anyone else has ever seen anything like this around here, and he's said he saw something when he was a teenager, and then he told me where it was. But he said they used to ride their bikes back there and the werewolf come out and stood in the pathway of them, so they all were afraid and peddled their way home, and then they didn't really talk about it anymore, Which is funny because that is one of the locations I'm mapped out. It's literally that spot that I keep saying, there's like three different ones. One of the other ones was the guys that were camping down there during the circus. I thought the timing of that was weird. This guy's also was in the summer, during the summers when the circus thing is. But when they were camping, they said a werewolf ran into their camp and then they didn't all talk, like more than one guy's seen it, but they never talked about it after that. You know, it's funny about what happened with me, m me and that guy never talked about because he didn't want to. Why did I not talk about it for so many years? Is there some Is it because people think you're crazyer? Is there's like some weird subconscious thing that you don't talk about it. It's just a stigma that everybody, you know, it comes to. Yeah, but the people that have experienced it together, why wouldn't they talk about it. I've interviewed other people that have said the same thing. They've had multiple people who've seen this, and they never talk about it after. Whether they're not into that stuff, they're just kind of kind of deny it versus people that are more curious. Well, you know, there's there's so many different types of people. There's some that absolutely won't believe in that shit and don't want to talk about it because it's not interested. And then there's some that are are interested, like yourself, like, oh my. God, you know, but I wasn't. I wasn't interested before. I wasn't. I wasn't. Like I enjoyed my monster movies and everything, right, just like, but I didn't think any of those stuff was real. The seed was implanted there. It's like, all right, just like anybody, like, you know, I like fucking sci fi and whatever, monster movies, but you just kind of again, do you just think, oh, it's just something dressed up? Maybe I don't know. It's like I've never had an encounter like that, so I don't know. I mean, some people, you know, don't have any idea what their kings are until they experience and then they're like, oh man, I like that. I mean, like the same type situation. You know, some people just come out of it differently. I'm not into furry stuff, so this is not me out there trying to mate with wolf. You can a look at that wall behind you, says a different story. I mean, that's just my obsession. That's the other thing. Not that anyone listening will be able to see this. But this shirt, yeah, it is a dog man. That shirt was over the song that I'd written called the Beast of Bray Road for my old band. This this is funny. I'm going to relate my old band and let some secrets out. We have a song. The first song we wrote when we got back together was called the Curse of this Town and it was about Peru. And I wrote a line in there and says, trying to remember how it goes. I think I said it to end the other day, climb aboard, enjoy the ride. For just one week, this town's alive. That is in reference to the circus. The only time you ever see this town busy is during Circus City Week, and you bring in so many people here for the amateur circus. Why again, let's just go put the We'll wrap this up here in a minute, but let's put the wu hat on here for a second. Let's just say there are certain things that live amongst us that either feed on fear, they feed on energy, they feed on whatever we don't see them. Would not makes sense that something like that would take an area to where there's something that brings them here. The circus used to bring in all sorts of different types of people. We've talked about this. What if something is around here And I'm not saying it's constantly here, but what if there was something here that made it to where this is now the circus capital of the world because for once every year it's time to feed. I know that sounds strange, but I'm not trying to do the whole jeepers creepers thing or the. Thing or playing humanoids earlier and there's a cornfield next to your house, just. Saying, right, so what if you take all those aspects and put it together. This town is a freakin void. I even said that in the song anyone that tries to leave this town I feel like always comes back. I've moved away twice, and for some reason, I always come back. I did not want to come back up here. When we had this conversation earlier, my wife and I said, I really didn't want to move back up here. But here we are. It's like it's like you can't escape that no matter what you do it, just keep bringing it back. It's like, there's something about this place. And then I wrote that song because that was my way of talking about stuff without literally talking about it, because you tell people that you see these things and you're like, oh, this guy's crazy. But it's funny because one of my old bandmates was one of the first people I told about it. My friend Mike was on one of my episodes, but we'd even mentioned it on there. He was at the thing I talked to he we come up for that too. I pointed him out to the audience and said he was there. He was one of the first people I told what happened. He's like, oh, the dog. It's like yeah, He's like, yeah, let me recome over that morning talked about it. It's like the dog, the dog. So it's like I told people, I don't know what they thowt They're probably just like, fucked wrong with the dude. I just. We have a mutual friend that's from that area. I wonder if she knows anything. Well, it's not your friend, but you know of her. I would rather not know what she knows. It's the same person I'm thinking of. Right, Yeah, No, I don't want they I think they were in the circus too. It's probably her. She's probably the sucubus out there. What if I just said randomly and not associated with you, you can randomly ask yes as a as a what do you call them? A as a researcher, an investigator? Because I because again I need to ask that other friend who's from Converse, right, so I want to know. You piqued my curiosity a little. Maybe other people have heard things. If they don't say anything, then my job was done. I tried. I don't know anything about it, so that'd be interesting what they would know. Totally unrelated party to anything of this, you know what I mean? Hey, you ever heard anything about some weird stuff going on in that town? And I'm not talking about the old prostitutes that used to be hanging out by the square D building. Everyone in hell knows about that. So that's that's There's so many dark secrets of this town, which is funny because it's just a tiny little town. Well, I bet like four people start really digging and getting to like historic secrets that have been buried, you know, things that have happened, You're gonna uncover a bunch of crazy shit about that place. And that is probably was gonna happen. Here's what's funny. And I'm not going to call out the group, but I posted something in a local group that is into this type of stuff, and I asked if anyone had any experience, and I started getting comments and someone admin deleted it. It's all about talking about your experiences and if you had anything, and it's for Indiana. Yeah. When I started getting people chime in about some of the things I need to be looking into, someone removed my post. Was the group I'm gonna I'll tell you all there, but it was it was it related to subjects? Yes, similar, Yes, well that's a little different. I thought maybe you just did like a community post. No, it was straight up. It was a cryptid group, cryptied and aaron on data. They don't want to they don't want to steal. They don't want to steal in thunders. And I would know this because I know a guy from here who saw some Paranora groups and they said there's a lot of toxicity going on in that. There is a lot of ransom about it, which is like interesting because if you're all into the same ship, there should not be a competition, because. Yeah, anytime you have any sort of like interest group, you're gonna have gate keeping going on these days. I heard it's the same way in music. I was actually hoping that guy would be on your show. I'm sure he's because he's also a ghost hunter. I should remind him, like, you should really be on that if you have any cool stories. Yeah, for the audience out there, I know you guys don't like the ghost stories. I've been seeing what the downloads are for those episodes. Wow, you're right, but. It's weird though. I'm a paranormal podcast, but people don't want to listen to the paranormal. They want to listen to conspiracies or cryptids. I thought they hated the crypt I thought they hated the conspiracies. More interesting, that's if you go political on the conspiracy the I don't want to hear about that. But they're cool with hearing the Illuminati and not going to the moon or whatever, but they don't want to talk about politics, which I don't want to talk about politics either, because. Yeah, I mean, in short, it's kind of interesting how that certain group somebody's has one and it's almost like that certain. Group is my hoodie. They were right, they're right, but we won't get into that. My hoodie won my hood orange. So now, basically for me though this for anyone listening. You've listened to three guys ramble on here tonight, so I appreciate you guys. Listening, but I was quiet, But yeah, I just want to hear. I don't know what's going to happen with us. I don't know when it'll come out, so hopefully by next year, or if it never comes out, maybe we did find something and we never came back. So if you don't see or hear from me randomly, I'm going to have a all right, So here's the thing. I mentioned this to Matt. Yeah, and now you're gonna understand why I'm bringing this up. I asked him if he ever had a final episode, and I'm going to record a final episode. It's basically letting the audience know that something's happened to me, because if it ends up airing, I've pretty much died or I'm missing, and every time it's going to come out, like, I'm just going to keep pushing it back and pushing it back until everything else will release. And when that final one ends up airing, it's because I didn't change it. So if I didn't change it, something happened to me. Is it because I'm out here looking for weird things and I fell down a ditch and broke my neck? Right, I don't know, but I'm just. Telling you, if it happens, I'm gonna milk it for all it's worth as long as I can. Thanks, buddy, you have all the content you need. Dedicated the entire podcast of the Conspiracy of What Happened to Ed and I that's bullshit. Dragged me into it. We got sucked into the Missus cinema triangle. I'm totally not I'm totally a innocent party. I just here to film things. Are you a bullie or a disbeliever or I'm. Not even sure because it's interesting stuff, but I don't I've never seen anything, you know, And if something did happen, not like malicious, Like if I saw something like that's fucking cool, and I'll maybe I'll wait, maybe I'll just wave at it. But I'm friendly. I just hope that we see something and then you wave at it and then it gives you the finger. Then that that would make everything worthwhile to me, sure, Like if it's smart enough to know. Like, look, damn, it's got television. It flips you off. I'm just saying, like Ed really sounds like the camera guy off of Blair Witch Project. There I go, you know at the beginning, like, yeah, it's all bullshit, but I'm just here. Actually, I would prefer I would prefer to be like another voice, not like being shown. So whatever, you don't want to be on camera, you just want to no, because I'm the camera guy, right and not what's going on? I'm I mean, you can still speak, right, but it's. Just like I have nothing to do with this. I don't know anything about research and any of this. I'm just kind of like, yeah, I'm there. That's you know, that's like the witness to everything. Yeah, you're the grounded person that has no ties to any. Of this, right I am. But I'm most is this an experiment or documentary? Eight call it bait? I already called you live bait. You did say that. Extra hot dogs for me. They're coming after my mister. I wonder if they will appreciate us and giving them an offering of mister Weenie. Maybe that'll bring them in that's the secret of mister Weenie. I've already sawd the case guys, well we need before. So you never went on any like community pages or they wouldn't put post that kind of ship with it. I did go on that's what I said earlier, but not that kind. I did go on a regular Peru community page, and I've had people reach out to me, but there's only been about paranormal stuff. Yeah, because I've gotten like some people. Yeah, I got like twenty something new subscribers to the nice the page from that from local people following the page. They I got like almost thirty something likes to my post on there. So I thought that was interesting because usually if I post things, no one gives a shit. But I put a post in a U Oklahoma hunting and fishing group asking, you know, if anybody has had what they believed was a bigfoot experience to contact me, and I had two people contact me. I had a person from the bigfoot community that I knew who they were, like, made a comment, and then I had like sixty four comments just talking shit. That's what I thought it was gonna what happened. Yeah, I wrote it to where I said I understand the stigma, and I understand people's eye rolls and the laughter and everything that comes with it. I was like, you don't have to comment on here, or you can reach out to me, and probably because I'll keep it anonymous because that's how I roll. Like, I'm not going to go out there and publicly blast people for things that they've experienced because I have no first hand how douchebaggy people are. And that's why I think people message me because I said that. It's like, I'm not going to tell people who you are because I'm not. I'm not trying to get content. I'm not trying to interview them for the show. I'm literally just asking them to tell me where you had a weird experience at. I don't care if it's you saw a UFO, I don't care if you saw a freaking old lady pushing a giant monster in a wheelchair. Like I just want to know what you saw strained in what areas because I'm marking out locations because I think these locations are similar areas and for some reason, it has all been in the same general area. Also, is Huntington part of the too? It really can, It can be. I just did not because when you mentioned that, and then I remember that one guy saying about he saw little people or something and like he lives out there. Yeah, that is a I have someone else that saw a bigfoot in the same area of where people have seen the little people. He asked me if I would want him to take me out there. I said, well, it depends on You're depends on when we start filming. This is not gonna be a one day thing, like I'm not gonna be able to film the whole thing is, Like it's going to take a while because I'm not just going to be like a lot of these places like oh, we're here for the investigation and we hit the spot and then we leave and never go back. Like this is I'm going to hit up some locations and I'm probably going to go back to those locations a few times. Like you don't always have to go with me, but I don't want. I don't want to go by myself. But that's why I have my emergency episode out there to let the audience know that I've disappeared. Well, I mean, if you get a group, I don't want to take it group, not a group who is going with you? Is it just us. The thing on the I'm doing in December that I told you about, that's going to be like a small group of people. But that's not me doing my stuff. That's just me showing locations to certain people. It's not me doing it for what I'm doing on my own. The more people you bring, the less likely you're going to get anything happening. Oh yeah, you're gonna have to do to like a standing cameraman that can. Trust, because when you have multiple people out there, you have contamination. Right, So I can't say that any weird noises we've heard is not from the fifteen people walking through the. Woods, right. Don't want to let people not involved in the project know any locations, right. So the people that I'm going to take, I'm going to show them like spot. But I'm not telling anyone when we're going out doing things, right, because I don't trust people. As bad as it sound, I don't trust people. They're not gonna go out there and try and screw around with us. Sure, but I've mentioned this before. If you're gonna go out there and try and screw with people, there's a good chance that you're gonna end up in this part of the country, in my area, probably gonna get fucking shot, right, So he dad is a warning to anyone listening to this. When I just said that warning, there's chances are that I'm going to be packing heat. So there's a duck out there with paint spots all over it, right, touch for that. Like this time, it's not gonna be paintballs, right, They're gonna be hollow tips. So you said that was a Southern accent. That's just because I'm partially Southern. Just leave me alone. My dad's from Florida. You don't get much more souther than that. It's from Fort Myers, Florida, So I still have that. Twain should have said, holler points, holler points, collor points. I'm not from Kentucky from my gone the hills, the hills have eyes. Speaking of hills have eyes, hm, I did love driving through Kentucky and Tennessee. Yeah, I can totally see where people think there's stuff out there, because driving through there, I was like, Yep, they're totally shit. I here just because of how like desolate it is, woods and mountains and just big gaps of nothing, so plenty of prime real estate. For weird creatures to be living. That's how I feel about the north of the. North Michigan, the Great White Michigan North. Right over the bridge, and there's just like so much. Area that you're basically in Canadia. Sort of. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird that, like Canada is actually really close to us in a sense, like if you go up by Detroit ru on the other side of De Troit's Toronto, isn't it isn't it right across that river or lake or whatever? Yeah, yeah, so Canada is not too far. It's only like four hours for us, right. Strange. Well, guys, we can probably wrap this up. We've rambled on enough, or at least I have, but I wanted to. I wanted to spit off to you guys and figure it'd be a conversation because you too are probably the only ones I really talked to about a lot of this stuff. So now the audience gets to hear it. So hopefully anyone out there listening, you're still listening, appreciate you guys. Wait once this episode come out, curious, whenever I decided to release. Okay, don't I was gonna say, like, you just told of your plan and then it was like, you can release it and then tell everybody's doing. Okay, yeah, I'm basically telling I'm going to tell everyone what I'm doing, and if someone wants to go out there and beat me to it, then that's already out there. So you've ripped me off. There's my proof that you rip me off. So there's that. Sometimes you have to lay the groundwork in advance because too many people know things, so you got to get the jump on them. I'm leaving that very very vague, Matt. You want to let everyone know where they can check you out at, uh sure, yeah, Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find everything there. You'll find my obituary on there too, a goodbye video from Ed. All Right, it's gonna write the song and serenade it and everything. Got all the instruments behind him. Now, the nice drum set you just went and. Bought, it's use it's not that nice. Now that you play drums. I don't expect you to actually come through with the recording for me, because it's we became a flake just because you've got a drum set, Like that's just natural. That's how it happens. Like I got drums Now I got doccumentary projects, I got drums. I can't go do this now I got a disappear. I turn into a cave man. I can I can't keep time because I'm busy distracted. You're distracted by myth? Well, no, I'm too fat for that. Just from my past experience, as all drummers are either cavemn or meth heads, there is no none. None of them are mentally stable. I was gonna say, like, isn't that a third one? Yeah? None are mentally stable. Wow, Matt, you're not a drummer, are you sorry? Sorry to any drummers out there, tho, I'm speaking truth and everything, but I've met a lot of myth had drummers. Yeah. Wrong, podcast. I think we have a better chance of finding a big foot or a dog man or a UFO or something that we could finding a drummer that's not got some sort of Oh yeah, for anyone that doesn't know I mentioned it, it's in a band. You want to tell them what bands are in? I mean being the thought Yeah, beyond the Fathoms were based something Indiana. We are working on a website which I told you guys like, why do we need a website. Nobody really looks at websites anymore for bands. But yes, that's totally twenty years ago. That was an idea. I think it's just to buy our shirts whatever, merch that's what I say. Store basically website. So there's that. We are currently on hiaas because I guess what, we got drummer problems. So that's about it. We recently had a cool of a music video and it got banned from freedom of speech in my opinion, actually didn't get banned. I had to take it down put in private. So if anybody ever wants to see that video, message me and I can send it to you. But it's not even a bad video. It's just people got offended. People got people with different views got offended. And it's kind of weird because it's not the people that you normally think would be offended. It's more like the clean cut versions were offended. But that's a different story. I'm afraid to ask. Sure, no, no, go ahead, I mean. How do you how do you even get a music video like band like that? Well, okay, so I'll tell you. Like the basically, I basically ripped on the pharmacutical companies and like anybody that protects them, you know, and there's like crooked cops and judges been I ended up seeg I killing them, siege killing. These people were my friends, these green screen fake explosions of cars, and a certain band members workplace didn't find that good for their conservative INDI image and whatever the news headlines were, which is funny because that was green screen news headlines. So basically a fanatical idea I had, which is almost like movie like, they didn't agree upon it, so they warned him that that we need to take it down. And since I already deleted the other files because they needed room for my phone, and I couldn't go back and re edit it, which is stupid anyway, because I think you can't really re upload a video as a as current does that make sense? You'd have to re upload it again and you'd use your loser statuses. So I thought that was silly, and it wasn't. It didn't have that many views, so I wasn't too like but hurt. There's a lot of work. But anyway, that was the nutshell. It's nothing too. Crazy, but basically someone's work got their painties in a twist because you were poking phone on a certain things and they didn't find it funny. Yeah, and like it's funny because his dad didn't like it because he was completely conservative and he told him you're gonna get in trouble for that, and we never told him his dad was right. But then again, like, well, thanks for supporting your son, dad, I mean sons, Like I. Don't understand the whole trouble part though, because it wasn't like you were doing anything wrong. You were just cleaning up the bad people. They're getting like bought off by big pharma. Nobody likes nobody likes cops dying, which I don't believe in that anyway, to be honest, but yeah, nobody likes judges dying either. But again, it was all a movie. It was like a movie scenario. In my opinion, I wanted to make him. I mean, it was pretty cheesy, so anyone that took it seriously has no judg mental like I'm pretty sure that there's been other videos out before that that I've depicted those exactly. I'm pretty sure from my childhood called the po right. Right, and I did it like on a cheap budget. I didn't need a fucking like major label back in me to like do a video that had all these silly effects and silly acting and whatever. So the close out, ten foil tells here something for the audience to contemplate. We live in America where free speech is not apparently free because if it offends your job, you apparently have to remove stuff, even though it's tongue in cheek. And the lyrics had nothing to do with any of that. The video was just made of it. So again the kicker was the lyrics were actually positive, but apparently they didn't look into that. Go figure. They just here growling and it's like, oh it's. Evil right, all right, fellas, and all listeners out there, thanks for listening. Keep checking back. At some point the documentary will be out there and it will be available not on YouTube because you know what, they can kiss my ass'. And on that note, we'll check you on the next one. And that's the show. Everyone. I'd rather hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltal dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make. Stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good night, everyone, See hot. Sales in the headstones. Yeah, it's turn to rock. Got a story about a crypty creature. Let's take a. Luck, eg foot Ummer, they're out there in the talk. Let the truth is out there, likely as fuck. Both sightings got the whole. World shock, conspiracies and phones like a story in the book Me control trying to keep us fine. We're all gonna use. The whole mind. In the history. They want us to know the secrets that hide, since they will show Sonday not society. They keep us in chase. But send and Tom's time to break the reins. Control trying to keep us fine, but I won't. People are gonna use my mind. In history. They want us to know the secrets that hide since they will show, don't they do society? They keep us in chase. I'm saying talk sound to break the reins