Ep. 113: The Physics of Subtle Energy with Juan Ayala

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle nose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact with this thing. And don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight, we're gonna be joined by my guest, Wan One is the host of one on one podcast. He dives into a lot of esoteric and occultist type things, so I've been looking forward to talk with him dive it into some of the things he talks about before we bring him on. 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I've been looking forward to talking with him. I hope you guys enjoy our conversation, so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I like to take time and welcome my guests tonight. Wan, thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Yeah, dude, thank you for having me man. I appreciate you. Yeah, not a problem. You want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Yeah, My name is Juan from the Huan on Juan podcast, and on my podcast, I always tell people I always talk about whatever I feel like talking about, but that usually falls in the in the line of alchemy, the occult, esoteric. I consider myself on a cult historian, and I like to talk about interesting stuff that is not talked about as much as I'd like it to be. Mm hm, you what got you into the one to do all? Lot? Like there's something to set you down that pathway. So I grew up very religious in a Pentecostal household, and I played guitar for over five years at my church and the worship group, and there we was just questions that I would ask that I wouldn't get the correcting, not the correct answer, it's never going to be a correct answer, but an answer that really fit and helped me and actually answered something for me. And it always felt empty. And the one that really did it for me was don't read the Book of Enoch because you'll get possessed by demons. And I was like, what, well, why would the why would the Bible, the canon reference something that's non canon, Like, what's all that about? Oh, you know, there's all the books. So then I started digging into the the Nagamadi Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gnostics, and I soon learned that all those stories I had been told growing up, there's the complete opposite of that in some text you know that's X amount of years old. And it made me wonder. I go, so, if these people are saying that, how do we know that our stuff is the right stuff? How can we truly know it? And how can you truly know the truth if you haven't explored any other avenue, you're just looking at something from one perspective, it kind of sort of starts turning into an echo chamber. So that really set me off learning about the Gnostics, and it really started with my religious upbringing. And I still consider myself a Christian, but I'm a little bit more open minded. I'm not as dogmatic. And I've talked to multiple different people throughout my podcasting career, people from all walks life, a cultist, not a cultist, Satanist, nonsanist, which is whatever, like all different sorts of people, And I want to hear what everyone has to say, and I was I looked for shows that I wanted to hear stuff about it just wasn't any that really piqued my interest or recovering the subjects that I wanted to learn about. So I took it upon myself too rate my show. And here we are about five years later, still going at it. And yeah, I didn't honestly didn't think I was gonna get this far, but here we are and having a great time doing it. Yeah, I started this about two years ago. It's funny you mentioned the Pentecostal thing, because that's how I grew up too. I grew up in a Pentecostal church and I'm not a religious person. Now. I have my beliefs or whatever, but I'm not gonna acting I don't go to church or anything like. I still have my belief systems, but no like when it comes to the church vibes or whatever. I've always and this is just me being myself as I don't offend anyone out, but I feel like to have a relationship with God, you don't have to go through the church. And I know a lot of people don't like to hear that, but that's just kind of how I feel about it. Yeah, God is everywhere, and you can tap into God or let God in anywhere. You are. It's the problem is that it's a brokere experience and they've learned to what a lot of occultist throughout history I've tried to do. And they're they're bottling God and trying to break them down into a substance, and they found a way to hack the system. So it's like, hey, you can only achieve divinity through us when an actuality, right, You've turned my father's house into a den of thieves. It's like he was against all that. You know, he's flipping tables and doing all craziness. It's like he was against the very thing that you guys and dude, Whenever I talk about like some religious aspect, any religious idea, it be the nephilum or rather that be some weird shape shifting Jesus story or whatever it is that there's I mean, there's there's plenty of stories whenever I have whenever I have pushback from people, because usually people are pretty vocal when it comes to the religious stuff. If one person is unhappy with whatever I said, I just remember and I go, oh wait, there's forty five thousand different denominations of Christianity. I'll be all right, forty five thousand denominations don't agree on one set of books. They extracted forty five thousand different interpretations of these books, of these texts. So if one person doesn't agree with what I said, I'll be all right, you know what I'm saying, like it's that's how wild it is. And I go, how can you truly know that what you're talking about is the thing? You know without looking at everything else? But you have to look at everything else. You have to leave no stone unturned when it comes to the pursuit of truth, because the truth will so you're free. And ever since then, I know, I think I know less than I did when I first started, after doing all the research and hours and hours of of content that I put out. I'm over the two hundredth episode. I think I'm on two ten now, plus other offshoots and other appearances, and so yeah, I'm still going at it. And I don't think we'll ever really know until it's it's over, you know, when we pass on to the other side. And even then, I don't know if we'll really know, because like my dad, he died four times, he had a heart attack, his heart stopped fourteen he was clinically dead four separate times, and when he came back, the first thing I asked him was like, Yo, so what was it like? Like what did you see? Did you see the light? Did you walk away from the light? Like, what did you see? Goes nothing? Damn dude, you ain't die once in night twice he died four times and you didn't see nothing. He's like, I don't seen nothing. I've had that conversation before with people, and I'd recently mentioned it on an episode. But you know how we always envision an afterlife, like when you die, you see something, like you want to see somethings like what happens if we actually die and there was nothing? But we would never really know? I was like, that is the scary thought. And I think that's why a lot of people have faith and to an extent, because they want the hope that there is something more, Because if we were just to die and then there's just nothingness, that's pretty bleak like to think about, and that turns. I talked about this when I was a teenager, back doing teenage things that are taking in those types of things, so I can ruin the mood for everyone. Since I got in that deep thought, and everyone's like, dude, shut up because they didn't want to talk about that type of stuff. But I was like, that's just where my mind kind of went off to. It's like, man, what if we just like you go to sleep and you never wake up, and then you never know that you even doe, like you died in your sleeping. You're just gone. Yeah, and that's the thing that we're never gonna know until you're there. And in my opinion, maybe it's not so bad because you don't remember nothing, you know what I'm saying, Like, you don't remember being nothing. It's not gonna hurt, it's not gonna be anything. So maybe we should embrace it. Maybe, But I don't know, because there is an aspect of the human experience and we see this throughout throughout multiple ancient cultures that they were preparing for something in the afterlife. They were mammifying they're dead to maybe perhaps at some point in time, maybe revive them again, reincarnate them, read something right, recycle them. Whatever it was or something about the vessel, they still kept it. And we're talking about very very very superstitious people. So was it just that, was it just hocus pocus fairy tales, and I think that what I always tell people, because you know, the first thing that people talk was like, oh, this is all ps. There's you know, there's no such thing as the occult, there's no such thing as as as magic, there's no such thing as any of that. And they go, that's fine if you don't believe it. But the dudes in power, the dudes that are in the White House, the dudes that are in the government, those dudes are dressing up and they're going in front of an owl statue in the middle of the woods. So I'm a running around naked, some aren't and they're doing ceremonies and role playing and LARPing. So there's got to be something to it, even if even if it is some sort of mnemonic technique, you know, where it's like you're preparing your mind. You know, if you're preparing you know, your state of consciousness or something. There's something with the mind, even even right under standing consciousness, understanding the soul, understanding memory, understanding all these different aspects that make us human that we still don't know about, right, so we still don't know about ourselves. But then they want us to wrap our minds and our heads around the idea of the deity or the entity or the thing that is controlling our very reality itself. If we don't even understand ourselves to begin with, there's things about the human experience that we don't know about. I mean, I just did a short today. I was writing out the script about how fifty to seventy percent of people don't have an inner monologue. Now that's not indicative that you don't have a soul or that you're a homunculus or whatever it is. But we don't know why some people can hear themselves in their head thinking and why some can't, and they just classify it as a characteristic. So are those people in Are those people here for texture where they quite literally can't visualize things in their mind? I don't know about you. I visualize when I'm reading. I read in my head, and I hear I hear myself in my head reading. Now I have you got a whole fight club situation going on? Seek help? When I'm talking about the voice in your head that you can control, where you can say things inside your head without saying them out loud. Do you have that? I have it? But like when I'm I was sitting here thinking, like when I read things, I hear myself and I've talked to people before and the whole I never knew people didn't have an inner monologu up until recently, and I've wanted to actually talk to someone that said they didn't have one. I've never been able to track that down because for me, it seems strange that you wouldn't be able to, like if you're reading a book, like you said, I hear myself reading it, and even you kind of just mentioned it, So maybe I need to get myself checked. But I've read like from different characters and for some reason their voices changed. It's a little bit hyeah reading. So it's like it's hard for me to like understand someone not being able to do that. Yeah, that was first talked about in like the late nineteenth century, and then it was left alone till like the mid two thousands. Like then nobody looked into it. It was like eighteen something or other. It was this one guy and then he was like, yeah, some of my peers don't have an inner monologue. How strange, And then nobody touched the research for like like till two thousand and five, and then another time in twenty twelve or twenty ten, something like that. So it's like, it's this aspect of one thing about being a person that you think to you as a normal thing, so you think everyone else is the same as you. Making that assumption is the first mistake that you make, Like everyone else is like me, everyone else I think when I post something on the Internet that I think is super dope. Again, I think a majority of the Internet has bots, but there's a lot of people who interact negatively with it, like, oh, that was stupid. Take your meds, you're a schizophrenic. It's like, how do people not find the things you know history interesting? It's funny you mentioned that because my episode that dropped today, I was listening back to it, and I mentioned in the episode because I record, I'm almost six eight weeks ahead of what I released schedule is, So when it came out, I'd talked to the guest and I'd mentioned that someone had reached out to me as multiple people in the same day that told me they were God, which was weird. I had three different people within a forty eight hour span that said they were a god. One lady said that she heard voices in her head, and she's no longer understand that she's crazy. Everyone says she's crazy because she hears all these voices. She's actually God and all the voices she's hearing are the people that are praying to her. I was like, that's I was like, I don't sound like schizophrenia to me. But how how do you know schizophrenics? How do you know that their brains don't work the way it's supposed to They ever heard of the bi camera mind theory, the mind by camera mind? So back then the brain used to operate, you know, in two halves. One half would be yourself and then the other half was this other voice, this this thing that people were perceived as the ancestors or God or whatever it is. Well, what if, because the first thing that they do to a schizophrenic person is what they put them on med boom, put them on mets, lock it down. You can't hear what if? Again, they're tapping in. I've talked to a schizophrenic person where they say that these entities show them things on a screen about themselves. Now, I don't know if it's information that he didn't have prior to the ny he's showing him. But again, how do we not know that they're not tapping into another dimension. Well, I'm not saying that she is God. I mean we don't know that either. Okay, you know the true and strain of the de fiction. But I'm saying what it like, there's we don't understand that as like, oh, it's a chemical imbalance. Really, I mean, that's all it is, just a chemical imbalance. We I believe that the brain is one of the most powerful supercomputers that there is, and I think that a lot of the ancients they talked about how Plato, for example, talked about how we know everything, we already know everything, we're simply remembering over again. Okay, I talked to someone recently about the whole Plato and the Cave thing. Yeah, and I'm not one hundred percent familiar about I knew the basis of it, but like, this person was talking to me about it, and we're talking about UFOs and aliens for whatever reason, and it made sense to the think that his exact words, and I'm going to quote him here, it was the things that we're seeing here in the third dimension are actually the aliens from the fourth dimension. Coming down here and fucking with us. I was like, okay, and that this was an older gentleman. Somebody said that it kind of took me. I wasn't expecting that from him, but he said, that's the He's the thesis of like Plato's cave. We're all trying to get out of this cave, but we don't understand that, like there's other things going on around with the cave in search situation, Like we see the puppets, but who's actually the ones pulling the puppets strings? And I'm like, you know, I've never really thought of it that way, but it does make sense. And then when you bring up schizophrenia and people that talk, they hear voices or they've actually see things that we don't see. What if they're tapping it into that side to where they're seeing the stuff on those other realities, those other dimensions that we're not able to do what our brains away with they are right now. Yeah, And the guy that does escape out of the cave goes out and goes, what is it that there's a whole other world? He goes back in and he tells his boys, like, yo, there's a whole nother reality. What do they do? They fight him, They go, no, you're crazy, dude. We want to stay here and want to sit in front and look at the shapes on the wall because that's all we've ever known. And that's essentially what's happening nowadays with society, with everyone else, the what you know, I don't like to use the term normies, but the people who don't look into whatever it is that we're looking into it. On your show, you get into a lot of things that people wouldn't even begin to understand, that wouldn't even begin to comprehend. It's all fairy tales. And that's fine too, Like sometimes I wish I wouldn't have gotten into all this stuff because you see the occult symbolism and you see all this esoteric occult lore that's put into everything that we watch. I mean, I have two small sons freaking watching Paw Patrol with them. I mean, there's occult stuff in that and Paw Patrol. The latest movie was they found this moon rock that gave them all powers and they were like getting these powers from these these talisman, these things that came from outer space. And it was like an evil villain who was trying to get the powers and all that stuff that's ideas of the occult, you know, magical powers and powering yourself up to make yourself more powerful. So being involved in all these topics, I see all that and you can't really. It's like in the Matrix, the dude just wants to eat a steak because I know it's not real, but it tastes great, and ignorance is bliss, So I get it, you know. But I randomly will make comments here and there. I think I I think my family pre I thinks some out there a little bit too far at this point. But there's certain things and I will mention stuff. And I have four kids, so thirteen, eleven, five and soon to be three, and I'll make comments about certain things. As Again, my show also dives into conspiracies and cover ups. So when the kids will come home from school and they'll talk about certain things, they'll like, that's not really true of my Life's like, don't just shut up because I was like, whatever, I'm just trying to tell them to real stories. But you know, but I've noticed things too, like on shows, and I've been to like older cartoons, like there's just a lot of weird things that we're in cartoons that nowadays, like my kids watch a lot of Bluie and all that type of stuff, so I don't really pay a whole lot of attention, but there's all sorts of symbolism and almost everything. And like you said, once you start going down these things and you start seeing these things, and it's like, what do you is a parent, what do you do? It's you don't want to expose your kids to it, But at the same time they don't even understand it. So it's just like whatever, but not yet. I mean, they don't understand it yet. But it's like I believe that a lot of things are passed down genetically regardless. I think that a beliefs are passed down genetically. I think that fears are passed down genetically. I think that ideas as well can be passed down genetically. And I think that it's gotten to the point already where they may not know it now, but as soon as they remember, they'll want to understand it. And maybe the intent isn't for them to understand it now. Maybe it's again this other aspect of the human experience of what if it's meant to just stay in the subconscious, because these magicians, what I've dubbed the sorcerers of the subconscious, they work and the subconscious they don't work in the conscious realm. It's all about imprinting these things on this other side that emerges every now and again, and the intent is to imprint it on the other side in order for you to forget about it so it does become true, because once you forget is forgetting that it's even there, right out of side, out of mind is part of that magical operation, you know, from what I've learned through my hours and hours of study into the occult. I mean, that's the whole premise behind sex magic, where it's about imprinting the subconscious, bringing it fourth at the point of orgasm printing it, it goes back in and then you let it marinate essentially in it becomes true later on. And that's just one method of many different magical systems. And I mean there's numerous magical systems, because my opinion is a sort of force that you're able to tap into, like what we star Wars. You know, you can tap into him be a good guy, be a Jedi, or you can tap into him be a sith a sith board. But essentially you're all tapping into one thing. And the power is you know, in the in the the wielder, whatever, the spear of destiny. It can either kill you or hear you. You know, it's what you use it for. So I think that's also part of him. Maybe it's yeah, it's there. It makes for a good story. It could be like how Young said, archetypes, But why are the archetypes there? You know, why are all these monoliths and all these things there to begin with? Why can we all resonate with these stories that are essentially recycled over and over and over again, and they've been told over a thousand times in Hollywood, and they still keep making the same garbage, just under different types. I view someone recently that was a practitioner of magic, and for some reason, like when I think magic, obviously, when you think nowadays, you think it like street magic. The magicians you see out there, like you're David Blaine's and your Chris Angels or whatever. I always just say they're illusionists. I don't say that's like magic or whatever. They're just tricksters or whatever. This guy claims he was practicing. He practices magic. He said, the curses are real, you can do things to people. Listen to that. I'm still trying to wrap my head around. I keep getting people reaching out to I mean, I haven't scheduled anything, but they are reiki riki. However they pronounce masters or whatever. Never even heard of that stuff until like the last couple of years. But they claim that they can your body's energies, they manifest the energy, they can send the energies of this and that is that not almost like magic to an extent, like they're using someone's energies And now magician people that I taught, they claim that's not the same thing, because they say they talk with spirits and they use the spirits energies and this and that. I don't know how familiar are with that aspect to like the reiki aspects of it, But this isn't it all somewhat similar? Yeah? I think that there is, because there's a distinction to be made. I do think that there are what they call subtle energies, and I do think that there are, and I want to talk about it from a sixteenth century alchemical perspective. Magical all chemical perspective, because this is how they viewed it, because they were doing both at the same time. They were doing alchemy and they were doing magic at the same time. And the way they were able to get away with it, because these guys were church doctors and theologians and people of the faith, and the way that they were able to get away with it they called the Christian magic. And what Christian magic was it was natural magic Maha naturalis, which is essentially, if God put it in nature, if I put A plus B and I get C, it's okay because God put that there, and he wouldn't have put it there, He wouldn't have wanted me to up in tapped with it. I was just able to de occult hidden aspects within nature, Okay. I was able to find a glitch in the matrix using nature. Now the issue would come in when they would use astral influences or goetic, demonic whatever it is, in the assistance of said ceremony. So you're calling upon the gaysia of X y Z and you're using those dame under demons to assist you in your whatever. Obviously, right the Faustian impact, you got to give something up in order to guess something in return. That's when it was bad because you were using the devil or anything else. So these people at the Reich, you've heard about it before. I think it's a form of in my opinion, a form of es therapy. But it's like on the it's on the it's on the border of like being a cult. So it's like kind of woo woo, but not really do I believe in it. I think anything is possible. I think that you can achieve healing through frequencies and all this other stuff. And I think that there is a lot that has been occulted because of you know, big farm. I've seen that firsthand with my father's health. You know, like there's a lot of things that it's like, yeah, it's a thirty day supply of this medicine is like fifty thousand dollars. Well, what about the people who don't have health coverage or how like what happens to them. It's like, well, MS doesn't kill you, but eventually just your body will just grade to the point where your bedridd and you become a vegetable and then your lungstop. It's like, wow, what a slow, painful death for somebody who isn't able to afford that, and then you got the people. It's like, oh, I smoke this certain herb that grows with water, sun and dirt, and it heals me. Like, you know, I don't have any symptoms. It's like, what does that mean? Like it means everything's been there since the beginning. I think God put everything on this earth for us to heal ourselves. And I don't know. Reiche might be another facet of that. Again, I don't understand enough. But that's the way I've come to understand the occult magic. And I think these guys that talk about curses and all this stuff, maybe they believe. And again this is going back to what I said at the beginning, where he's like, yeah, I used the power of lamb to whatever you know to do this. It's like, okay, and it worked. Cool. Well, I think that you believe that it worked, and that's what did it for you, you know, because I do think that there is it's all about the state of mind, state of consciousness. And again, this is why we don't understand enough about reality. That may be the mind or the consciousness or the subconscious have an effect on reality. So the way I've come to understand the occult. It's got multiple facets, but one of the aspects that I like the most is about entering a certain state of mind to think about something, and if it's true to you, it will eventually become a reality, right you manifest it. And to me that's called chaos magic. And what I love about chaos magic because magical systems are meant to be evolved, and if you study magic, you see piggybacking of of all the systems. And the example that I always use is John Dine over Kelly and the use of Anochian Well, it jumped over to the Golden Dawn, and then gon crole it took it, and Croley took it, Parsons used it without on Hubbard, and then from there it's still being used, but it's evolved through its entirely the entirety of its life, and it's been Frankenstein, it's been It's a kind mara of the original system, right it was used. You know, they took the original system and they used the parts that they liked, and then they answerted their own parts and they used it like that, because again you're tamping into something and you're able to extract it using these systems. So again, I think it's about entering a state of mind and chaos magic, which is one of these systems that it's one of my favorites because it's like, forget about all the ceremonial LARPing bs and just believe. And the problem with that is that that makes it that much more dangerous because we're talking about what are they putting in our kids cartoons, what are they putting in our kids TV shows? What are they putting in all these other things? Well, it turns out that chaos magicians are able to adopt any How do I explain this? They're able to adopt things for a certain amount of time, use them for the ceremonial purposes, and then discard them because it's all about intent and belief. So they don't care about doing your magic circles and your magic rituals and dressing up in your garb and your regalia and all this other stuff. It's like, no, just use your mind and it'll And I think so I always said, our money says with all these sigils on it, and God we trust, Well, what God is that we all assume it's the god of the Bible. Well, we look back in history, a lot of the Founding followers and a lot of the early presidents. We're part of secret societies and the cult orders and secret groups. How do we know that they weren't worshiping something else? Because according to chaos magic, you're able to adopt something for a set ceremony or set working and then after you're done, you discarded. That's why these dudes are using the Loftcraftian mythos bro to do their ceremonies and praying to Yog Sagoth and Cthulhu and Dagon and all these other because they were like, yeah, Hp Lovecraft, that was all real. He was tapping into something from beyond and bringing it forth, or something was tapping in through him, trying to break through our reality. And we use these entities in our magical workings. I mean, I've been to virtual Mystery schools where our entire altars and entire setups where people do rituals in VR. Okay, So it's again it's all about intent belief, and I think there's something about that that concept that you know. Will William Burrows, one of the famous chaos magicians, and really really degenerate. I wish he wasn't so interesting. Really, I really wish he wasn't. He was also a PDF file you know and say the word, but it was also one of those. And he wrote a lot of hatous stuff when you really read his books. I don't know why he is famous, but William Burrows talk did this this lecture and I think he was talking about the Monkey Paul and the idea of wishing, and then he said that he came across a machine that it's in a book. I did a real on it, and this machine allegedly you're able to construct it and it's able to make your wishes come true. And it was something about the machine again throwing everything out else out. It's like what if you focusing like, Okay, now I have a physical medium, you know, I have this contraption essentially is what it is that I built. And I believe that this thing is going to amplify my wishes and it's gonna make them come true by you being in that state of mind of like this physical medium is the thing that's gonna make mo Now. He talked about the machine and how it made some of his wishes come true, and how there's laws and parameters that you gotta follow whatever. Whatever. Now, if we take that same analogy of the wishing machine and we just extrapolated, all right, let's zoom out the concept of a church having an altar and having a congregation and being laid out in a certain type of geometrical way, because I mean, all churches are laid out in a certain type of way. And you can look up Pythagorean palaces and the use of architecture as a talisman, and it's the same thing. It's about the concentration of intent. At one point, you always go to church on Sunday the same time. Some people do the same prayers over and over again. What if it's like that, What if you're just putting your wish in the well. Sometimes yours gets picked, sometimes it doesn't. But it's about, again, the manipulation of subtle energies and the subtle energies. I don't know. I mean, I've wondered if the subtle energies are conscious or not, or what it is. I was going When we're talking about the church and everything it is. Sunday was always considered the day that God rested wasn't it. It's the story. The story is seventh day God rested. What part do this say? That's when you had to go to church. I don't remember what that came about, but that's been come like the Sacred Day is like the Holy Day is your Sunday, but that was the day that God rested, but you have to go to church. But it's been implemented for so many years now that that's what everyone does. And then you're on that routine. Yep. So so again, a lot of things that people use, bro And I mean I've talked about this a lot, especially when it comes to technology. We were using a lot of things that we don't even understand what they were intended for to begin with. I mean, the Internet was created by certain you know, all the conspiracies regarding that, and the first people involved in technology. I mean, there was all about proving the existence of deity, proving the existence of Satan or the devil. I mean I always talk about Charles Babbage and how he as a little boy, recited the Lord's Prayer backwards and cut his hand in a circle trying to summon the devil, and he asked God, you know if you're real, show me the day, you know, show yourself, or I think it was the devil one of them. Maybe get to get confused. But he writes about this in a book, and I think that he did succeed I have other evidence that he succeeded in summoning the devil. But this is the guy that was behind one of the first computers. Leibni is the guy who was behind essentially calculus in binary code, which is the ones and zeros that your computer works off of. He was deep into alchemy, deep into into the metaphysics of reality, the metaphysics of man. And he was obsessed with stories of transmutation. It was going around Europe looking for stories of transmutations. He was obsessed with Renada Cart's work, which I think that Renadack Cart was also into the occult. But again, what we're presented in the mainstream history, they don't talk about that. They don't talk about Isaac Newton being obsessed with the apocalypse, being obsessed with drying up and finding the Temple of Solomon, being doing commentaries on the Book of Revelation, predicting the end of the world. They don't talk about any of that. It's like that doesn't fit our narrative, Like you gotta believe in our stuff and all these other guys that if they did or didn't exist, because that's another that's a whole nother rabbit hole. How falsified is history? And I'm down with that too, but it's like you gotta have something to measure it out. So I've actually I gotten down that rabbit hole here recently with one of my friends of what part of history is real and what part of history has been changed. I feel like history has been changed. You hear these wars and everything else, like you only hear about the winning side, like get the history as up points from whatever it happened, like whoever won that war? But throughout just throwing this back to the Bible. I've you mentioned the Book of Enoch before. That was never considered part of the Bible, but I think it is an Ethiopia and they still have it in their Bible. There's other gospels that were left out of it too. And then some of these other gospels were written hundreds of years after the fact, like the New Testament, Like a lot of these things were a couple hundred years after like Jesus or whatever. I have an episode. I interviewed someone that it's two guys. I read a book called Christ before Jesus, and they're basically saying in their book from their research and everything, that they talked about a Christ, but then Jesus would basically a fictionalized version, like a character they made just to have for the New Testament. And I wasn't there, so I don't know who wrote the bo who wrote the books, but they did all the analysis or whatever. But it gets you thinking, like how many times have things been rewritten and changed in the first place. And when it comes to organized religion, and this is where I pissed people off. I feel like a lot of organized religion is mainly just to control people, Like they put that in place to try and keep people in line to whatever rules. And like you just meant, forty five thousand different denominations of Christianity, and they all have their own certain rules that you have to follow, their own certain belief systems and everything. That's just one religion, like one concept of religion, but there's forty five thousand different denominations that think about all the other religions in the world and all the other what if the God, that the creator, the ultimately and I'm not trying to make it sound like simulation theory matrix stuff, but to me, it almost bleeds into that. What if the ultimate Creator is the designer. He designed our universe, he designs the world we live in. Whatever that is the one God. All these other religions have their God, maybe it's all the same God, but then everyone else came into play, and they've tried to control that narrative with the people. So they've put in their own implementation, like their own thoughts, their own opinions, their own things, to try and control everyone to their own staff what they want. So you have all these different religions bleeding into it, but it all comes back to the same fact that it's made to try to control people for someone else's personal benefit. There's various places you can go with that, but it's interesting that they wrote that book the Christ. Was it the Christ before Jesus though he said. Christ before Jesus. It literally just came out in March. That's an interesting concept because I've even seen certain grim wars that talk about maybe perhaps these messiahs being again another sort of technology now treading lightly because it's a it's a blasphemous and heretical standpoint. But if you look at all the starting points of and I agree with you, I think that maybe a lot of these religions are looking at the same phenomenon from different perspectives and depending on your on your mimetic upbringing, because mimetics, you know, creates culture. Depending on your culture is how you view this this certain phenomenon. So for you know, in India looks like this, and China looks like this, in Japan it looks like this, and Australia looks like this, et cetera, et cetera. But a lot of these messiahs, a lot of these figures. Right during the Axial Age that was even a real point in time, you had the birth of all these figures that or were the chosen Ones or the Buddhas or the whatever. And they all kind of sort of have similar origin stories, right, and you see parallels between ancient civilizations that are separated by large bodies of water that they couldn't have, you know, different time periods, and they all have the sort of same architecture and sort of similar names and all you know, there's there's a lot of connections that that could be made. But I've seen as far as the concept of again these messiahs. Crowley talked about birthing the new Messiah into reality, you know, using his magical method. And he talked about the uber Minsh and the superman, and he even considered Frederick Nietzsche a saint in the Lima right uh uh. He called them, called him a saintan something else. But he looked at him like this dude speaking you know, my language in this sort of way. And again you'd think that's something the philosophy of Nietzsche being infused with the magical system of Crowley, you know, it taps on all the things that we've been talking about where they take these other concepts and they implement them into their magical order of their magical system for whatever, for whatever reason. So he did take the uber Minsh concept from Nietzsche and tried to do it for real. He's like, so the over Man, I can create this thing. I can create a messiah and birth them into reality and bring upon Ragnarok or the Apocalypse or whatever the hell he was trying to do. But that's what Jack Parsons was doing too. He believed they're doing the Babylon working, which essentially came from a book Moonchild from Crowley, that he was saving this reality, he was balancing reality out by bringing in the scarlet Woman, the horror of Babylon, Babylon being this female deity in the Thelemic religion. By bringing her into this existence, he was evening things out. And now it's interesting to know that Parsons was at the center of NASA, JPL, all these other things, and al Ron Hubbard was right there with him along the way, and we know what he made. I mean, it's one of the my opinion, one of the biggest syops there is. If it doesn't scream sciops, I don't know what will you know. I've been careful to mention that into my which I don't want to get ceasing assist letters in the mail from. Them, But I think you'd be all right, bro. Yeah, it's a it's funny to me that, I mean, you mentioned NASA. There is a lot of weird stuff when it comes to NASA in general, and I recently saw something that completely off topic. But the whole moon landing and stuff they claim of obviously there's it's fake whatever, and there was someone saying it's not fake. And then there's the stuff that they actually found on the Moon, and that's why we don't go back. It's like anyone, I have my own personal beliefs, But what is the significance of why they stopped going to the moon? And like I said, this is completely off topic, Like we went to the moon. You don't really hear about the other missions to the Moon. You heard about the first one, and then there's like several other ones that there, and then they just completely stopped and then they destroyed the technology before they ever went back. They say, because the didn't want to fall into the wrong hands. And no one has ever been back since up until recently. They've landed some like China I think landed something there. I think Japan supposedly landed something. But no other countries ever put a person on the Moon to the best of my knowledge that I'm aware of. Why did it all stop in the early seventies and why has it been so hard for everyone else to get there? But we managed to get there in nineteen sixty nine on the first try. Yeah, there's been a total of twelve men on the moon, seven missions, twelve seven those are esoteric numbers in the occult. And I think that space. I always say space is faking gay And what I mean by that is that space isn't what they've told us. And in my opinion, studying all the occult, studying all the esotericy, space plays a role in that they use it for occult rituals and purposes. Now, if you look at the astronaut I guess initiation, I think that something happens that they can only send somebody into space, you know, X amount of times before something happens to them. I mean, you know, use your imagination. Whatever it is. We're not going to really ever get to know the truth about what is really out there. But I think that it was I think it was one hundred percent faked, and I think that there's a firmament they can't get through. Now, I'm not gonna go ahead and say one hundred percent that it's flat, you know, like the world is flat. I don't think, in my opinion, I don't think it's I don't think it's flat. I think it's something, if anything, that there's more evidence, and this always pisses people off. There's more evidence, and I'll say this a lot and clear. There's more evidence of hollow Earth than there is a flat earth, in my opinion, because you can take me to hollow earth, I can go into entire forests, an entire cave, mammoth cave system, one of the they don't know where it ends, bro they don't know where it goes to and where it connects to. There's entire forest and entire ecosystems underground. Okay, so I think that that's more possible now. It could be flat and hollow. I mean that could also be another aspect of it. But I do think that there is something that they can't break through now. The truth is strange and fiction a lot of times, and I don't think that we've been there, and I think that everyone's in on it. And the reason that they say that there's a whole bunch of different reasons as to why why we haven't gone back, Well, it's too expensive nowadays. It's like the equivalent to I don't know how many billions or almost trillions of dollars of today. I think it was an equivalent of because I recently did a reel on it, or it was like the equivalent to I don't know how many billions in nineteen sixty nine, and then the whole concept of losing the technology and the people who believe in the moon landing, why do you believe in it because an organization, a governmental agency organization told you that it happened and they showed you some videos of it. Dude, have you seen the AI and what that can do nowadays? That's the stuff that they're letting out. That means that they've had this technology for a very very long time. And people go, well, the CGI in two thousand and blah blah blah, it was garbage. Yeah, because that's not government you know what I'm saying, Like, that's not the good stuff. That's the stuff that that's the exo, what I call the xoteric, what they present to everybody. The esoteric stuff is behind closed doors, probably an underground military basis in my opinion. But yeah, it's just ridiculous to think that they lost the technology were not able to go back. I mean, that's I've been saying for years and again people think I'm crazy because I said we didn't go to the moon because it doesn't make sense of why we went there, Why do we stop going? Why did how did we manage to make it there in the first time. And just recently I read something and Elon Musk claims that in order to get to the Moon, they're gonna have to refuel the rocket on the way to the moon, which is space. I'm not a scientist by any mean. If space is a vacuum, once you get outside the gravity of Earth, you're going to be continuing on at the same speed. Why would you have to refuel your rocket to keep going? Well, they just keep going at the same I also don't understand how stuff like how do stuff burn in a vacuum? Like, if there's no oxygen out there, how are you burning and fuel through it? Like there's certain things, Like I said, I'm not a I'm just a high school guy. I went to high school and I had chemistry. Like, there's just certain things about it that doesn't add up. And when I bring this up to people, they just get really pissed off at me because I don't know if it's because they think I'm just trying to shit all over their belief, but it's like, even as a kid, I just don't under I'd never really thought we went to the moon. Yeah, No, I mean then allegedly they've tested the rocks that came from there and there were not to be like petrified wood or something or other. And the one that really gets me is the interviews that they did of them when they came back and how unenthusiastic they look the entire time. And it's like, you just did one of the greatest things allegedly in human history, and you look like that. You think they you'd be, you know, more perked up whatever. Maybe they were tired, who knows, Maybe they were tired because they just freaking went to the moon. How did they get the video camera the live stream talking to the president from the moon they'd had FaceTime technology from the moon. Listen, dude, it doesn't make sense. A lot of things don't add up. And I think that a lot of history, I think some of it has been fabricated some of it. I don't think all of it, okay, And that's the thing that I think that's some of it. But it's like what some was was the one that was manipulated, you know what I mean? Like what was that some of it that was like you have to kind of sort of know, But yeah, look into Famenco stuff that like reading his stuff, it's like oh, Antoly Flamenco and New Chronology, where it's like he starts making parallels and he gives it a he gives you a visual So really able to see the parallels between a lot of these figures in history, and I don't. I don't. I don't fall in line with the Oh, they added time to our calendar. There's a hit, there's a thirteen month, like no, No, the seasons speak for themselves. Okay, like the seasons they change, they're on a clock. So I think that they got that part right. But you know a lot of people like, oh, well they changed up everything. We're not actually in one thing, we're not actually in May, we're in X y z's Like no, I don't think that's the case. But I think that a lot of these historical events were fabricated. And I mean think about whenever you remember something, and I use this an analogy the other day where it's like you remember a childhood home right in your mind. You visualize if you if you can visualize, because we talked about people who can't, Some people can't visualize, but if you can visualize, just visualized for one second in your mind your childhood home and go back there today, And how different is your visualization of your childhood home versus the actual thing. It changes drastically, bro And like, I remember my childhood home in Puerto Rico, right that I grew up in, and I went back fifteen eighteen years later, however long it was after the fact, you know, it's completely different. Like you know, things are out of place, things are a lot bigger, a lot smaller, Like it's just different. So history is just like that. It's being remembered by people who probably weren't even there and they're just taking records from an earlier guy. And Dude, I've seen it time and time again, even with a cult papers where researchers will not translate part of it because it's too blasphemous for them or doesn't align with their religion or align with their worldview, so therefore they leave it out. It's like what you know, how much you're depriving people of a thousand years later on where you occulted. You literally occulted one aspect of it, and it changes everything because you didn't feel you know, it's too blasphemous for you or too grew some or whatever it is. I've seen it time and time again. Did where it's like, yeah, this guy didn't translate that one part. What does it say. Well, we're not going to know because he translated, you know. So it's like you got guys like that who are controlling it's perception management, bro, They're controlling your perception, which is everything. I've said this before. It was funny. It was with another conspiracy type podcast, but they wanted to I won't name who it was, but basically they they didn't believe in what I'd said. Think about how many times the Bible has been rewritten there, Like, it's never been rewritten. I was like, there's a King James version. There's like there's things that's been changed, like maybe things here and there, but it's not. The word is still the same as the word of God. I was like, I mean you mean to tell you no, you mean to tell me that a man wrote this, Like the Bible was written by man. No, the man read it for the word of God. That's called kopium, bro. And I've seen that argument before. It's like, well, King James, that was the true word of God. It was you know, reflected through him. Okay, well, you know, King James was a gay and he had lovers male lovers, and he was also writing about demons and vampires and witches and stuff like that. You know what does that say. It's like, well, the man is not perfect. It's like, well, how do you know? It's like back to the beginning where I've had people tell me, well I talked to I heard God speak to me. Sure about that? You're sure it was God? I mean John Dina, Rick Kelly thought that they were talking to angels. And then the angels are like, yeah, you gotta do one more thing before we reveal to you the secrets of this reality. And we promise we're gonna get there. There's one more thing you gotta do for us. They were like, okay, what do we gotta do? You gotta swap wives. It's like what these are angels, These are archangels on the other side, and they were promising you the secrets to everything. They want you to swap your wives. What a weird, weird request from an interdimensional galactic being that in order for them to reveal the next step too, like yep, you gotta cut yourselves and they did it. I mean, that's how badly. They wanted it, bro they And that's how badly people want things sometimes that they're able that they will literally do whatever it takes. That's in my opinion. People this pissess people off. But I think that faith is also another form of technology. The the if, the the most universally sought out effect, the effect that everyone wants from anything, from from really any belief system, is the placebo effect. The placebo effect is magic because essentially you use your mind to cause a biological change within yourself. Okay, you know how many people have been healed through the placebo effect and they don't know why, Like why why was he? He thought he was taking the correct stuff to fix him and it came true. That's what everybody wants from any magical system, from any worship of any god, of praying to your god and having things come to you. That's that's what That's what everyone looks for. The placebo effect, where you bring things into existence through sheer thought to make it come true. That's what everyone's looking for. I want to think of money and I want to be able to get money, you know what I'm saying? Like that that's what every and having faith in something so hard. The faith is the technology like people. And I'm not here to to mean anyone. I still believe in Jesus Christ, I still believe in God. I'm just thinking from a philosophical standpoint. Just before you tune out, think about it. You have so much faith and something that a lot of people like. For me, for I can speak personally, I was in the church because of tradition, because of my family. They were and therefore they made me go. But how many people were in the same shoes as I was as a kid. You know, that's essentially forced into the religion. But if you think about it, you meet people all the time who they've never seen God, they've never seen Jesus, they've never felt anything, they've never seen any of that, but yet they believe. They believe so hard. And again I'm not saying that these people didn't exist. I don't. I'm not saying that these the biblical patriarchs and these biblical figures didn't exist, because there are certain occult orders like the Rosicrucians who would use the text. And this is why I think that writing is a magical process. Because think about any major world religion. It's held together by what by some old texts that were translated, And that's essentially what all religions are. Me let's to be real, what else? What else are stories? The word grammar comes from Grimore and Grimmore is the sixteenth century book of Spells. That's where we get the word grammar from. So when you're spelling things, you're casting them too. I believe in that and the concept of believing, so writing something down, in my opinion, solidifies things into this reality and these mystical orders. The Resicrusians were entering these texts. They were entering these stories through a form of meditation, and when they would enter these stories, they would interact on the other side with said figures in these stories, Jesus, John, Paul, Peter, whatever, all these other They were interacting with these people and they saw firsthand. So let's say that they for the sake of conversation, let's say that they weren't historically real. But what's to say that they're not real in another dimension, in another reality that you're able to tap in through through the tech. I think books are portals. Bro mm hmm. I think that words have power. And it all goes back again to this whole idea of visualization. Maybe that's why some people don't. You have to be able to visualize it, dude. You know a lot of the stuff that when it comes to the occult, you've got to be able to visualize. And like we said at the beginning, some people aren't able to visualize. It's literally a characteristic of some people. I've often wondered when people say they've heard like God spoke to them, how do they know God spoke to them? Do they hear a voice? And does a voice in your head? Tell you an answer? Like? How do people? I interviewed someone recently and he is a minister, he's involved with the church. He said God talks to him every day. Well, but I, for some for some reason, I didn't think about it. I was thinking about it. I didn't want to ask him because I didn't want to seem like a turd or whatever. But like, how do you know you're talking to God? Like you say, God speaks to you every day? How do you know? Because he's all around I can feel him, I know he's there. Well, yeah, but how do you know it's actually God you're speaking to? Like? There are other. Things that could you could be speaking to this you think is God that wants you to believe that it's God. Yeah, well no, I know I'm speaking to God. That's where I like when people tell me that God spoke to me in a dream. Really, how do you knows God in your dream? Well, this is when it gets into the This is another again, this is why I believe it's important to view things from all perspectives because it gets into the phenomenological approach, where in phenomenology it's experience based. So I'm sure you talk about UFOs and abductions and all that stuff. What's like, you can't change the mind of that person. You know, some people are obviously gonna lie and there they're gonna be full of shit, right, I mean, there's always gonna be that. But you can't, you know, for the person who actually truly believes it. You can't strip that experience away from them because they experienced it. Therefore it's real to them. Just because you don't comprehend it or you can't understand it doesn't take away from the fact that it did happen to that person. So again, it gets into this weird realm of like kind of sort of like the observer effect where matter reacts differently when it's being observed versus when it's not. So it's like, well, if he experienced, then he observed that particular moment in time, is it real? And then it's you know, not real to me, Like, I don't know. So that's another approach to reality of like there's so many facets to it, and yet you want us to accept everything that you're feeding us from this one book that you know. I think that the Bible is a really interesting story. I think there's a lot of stuff in there. I think it's a manual on life for some people. And that's cool. I've read the Bible. There's a lot of stuff in it. I like, a lot of stuff in it that doesn't make sense to me. But hey, if it helps you out, more power to you, you know what I'm saying, Like, if it makes you a better person, which is essentially what the Tank commandments say, don't be a piece of shit and be a good person. You know, love each other, take care of your family, love your wife, respect your parents. That's all good stuff, you know, Like, don't murder people, all right, cool, you know, I won't murder somebody. Cool, it's like those are all things universally that you should be doing as a person regardless. You don't need some freaking, you know, interdimensional sky daddy to tell you that. I mean some people do. We talk about people who don't have inner monologues. They can't even freaking hear themselves read a book. My biggest, my biggest hang up, And this is where it really irritates me with like Christianity and a lot of things, like certain aspects to what they believe. If you're not saved, you don't ask Christ into your life. When you die, you're going to hell because you never ask for forgiveness. Think about children that don't understand that concept. Oh they go to pony about it. It's it's fine with them. Yeah, they have a little hole for them. Like so to me, it's like. You're telling me that this God is so great and holy and everything else that he's going to just because your children small trali that don't understand are going to be basically stuck in purgatory or damn to hell or whatever because they didn't accept your son and ask just forgive their sins because we're all born into sin. That concept, to me, I don't understand it, and that it's blasphemous to say this, But if that's the way that God is, then that's not that he doesn't sound like that great of a forgiving God. I agree. So I think that is why I don't go to church. Yeah, and I've been thinking about That's something that I that I battle with when it you know, when it comes to having kids, like do you pass the tradition down? Do you not pass it down? Like what do you do? And it's like, you know, I'll just let them get to my age and then when they start asking questions is explain it to them and then just let them aside for themselves because I remember how it felt like to be in that situation and be know how that pushed upon me. So, like my wife and I were not religious people, but my family are. So when my children are around my parents, I will hear my daughter will come back and talk about Jesus and I was like, Okay, I don't say nothing, because it's I understand. But at the same time, it's like I'm not going to push that on. My older kids will come back because they've went to church or something, and they come back they tell me these things. I'm like, Okay, yeah, I'm not going to trup my mom. When you're gonna go to TRUP, I'm not mother. I'm forty years old at this point. Just leave me alone. Yeah, and again, I don't think it's a bad thing. But I again, I respect everyone's decisions and what they do. But I completely agree with you. I think again, at the end of the day, it's a brokeren experience. You can't achieve if it's not through us, and empty your pockets at the door. You know, it's like, and we might put in a good word for you. You just make sure you always tune in every single week and give that ten percent and we'll be good. You know, we'll put in a good word for you to the big guy. And I think it's all. I think it's I think that part of it is BS. But again, like I said, I do think that Jesus was a real person. And you know, I've accepted Jesus in my life a long time ago, and regardless of all the craziness that I've read, the the stuff that people don't want to talk about, that they don't like about, like conspiracies or like the occult or any of this other stuff is that it always leads back to God, like it always leads back to the light, you know, because that's what it's all about in my opinion, you know. And I know it's not cool. It'll be like, yeah, Jesus is cool. It's like, I know Jesus isn't cool. But from all the stuff that I've read, I mean, it's all about trying to mimic that and pervert that in some sort of way. And it's like, what imitation is the what's that one saying imitation is the art of flattery something like that. Yeah, I asked the guys that wrote the book Christ before Jesus. It's like, how come and this is on the WU factor here, but how come when people are saying demonic stuff or paranormal stuff or even alien abductions, if you start saying in Jesus' name and you start saying in Jesus Christ, whatever, it helps people like the things leave them alone. They claim to say that if you're being abducted, you start playing to Jesus. I've heard a lot of that. So if Jesus wasn't real, Jesus didn't exist, like they're saying, why is it so prevalent in different aspects of strange things like alien abductions and like paranormal stuff like demonic encounter like some of the things that I've gotten into that everyone always sayd they plead the blood and lead his name, like everything else that you're told that if he's a fictional character in a book that was never true, why is there so much impact. That affects different things? If the aliens are real and they're coming to they're abducting people, why out of you pray to Jesus and they don't want to hear that name. If they're from outer space, they wouldn't even know what Jesus was, you know what I mean? So to me, that doesn't That's where I get hung up on it, as like what is the really going on? Like are they even if this is all true? Are they actually aliens from space? Are they demons? Or like? What is that? Like? That's when you start to scratch your head, Like and people say they've had these paranormal encounters in their house and they go around they blead the blood of Christ and bless my house, this and that. If Jesus wasn't real, why does it work. Well? Again? It goes back to the idea of belief belief. They believe that helped them and it drove away the demons. Therefore it works. You know what if that's the I'm and I'm just for the sake of conversation, right, Well, maybe them believing it, or maybe it's like some sort of collective eggrigor where you know, you're able to tap into it and use it for whatever. Because also it's like you're some interdimensional being. Well, why do you have to probe in the ass, Like what what purpose does that serve? You know? Why do you have to abduct the cows and do stuff to the cows? Like what what does that have to do with anything? Like, there's a lot of things that don't add up when it comes to those that phenomenon, and it doesn't make sense. I talked to La Marzuli not too long ago, and I didn't under I didn't know this until I talk with him, But apparently they believe that the cattle mutilations are for breeding. Nothing I heard that that's the that's the I guess incubators or whatever they need for it or whatever, and other people I don't remember. The RF negative, the blood type or whatever. Yeah, the they claim it's a universal blood type that people can use, and they think that's what's breeding. They're using that for Nephelm two, and everyone's like, I have no idea, So I'm cool, show. Me, show me the nehyl That's what I always say. But I mean, like I said, dude, I'm I'm a skeptic just like anybody else. That's also why I'm here. I study the things that I will. Dude, I'd love it for Bigfoot to be real. I love it for whatever else to be real. But again, I think that realities, there's more layers to reality and the experience of being human. We got to take care of first before we can start thinking outside the box of whatever crazy haunted house this is that we're living in. I've had my own weird experiences, and I always say I'm very skeptical, but I'm a lot more open minded because once you start experiencing weird stuff, it starts to make you question things, which is why I do my show, because there's things that I just can't explain that happened that if someone told me what had happened, I questioned my own I question myself every day about it like it's something I just don't get past because it doesn't make any sort of sense. But I know what I saw. I know what happened, but here I am, so I'm not one to pass judgment on anyone else for what they say happened because I wasn't there, So I can't say you're full of shit or not. Yeah, you can be like Terren Toward and say that you remember being in the womb. Yeah I don't. I haven't actually watched the latest thing that that guy. Wasn't he talking about alchemy or and stuff recently? I only got through I think an hour of the I think it's like a two and a half hour episode, And I saw enough. I mean, I mean some of the stuff he was saying was cool, but I wasn't there, Dude, I can't prove it. And he is an actor, so I haven't watched anything about it because you just said exactly what I was just thinking. He's an actor, so he could just be reading from whatever they wanted him to go out there and say. Anything due anything, And it is a lot of figures in history have been ridiculed, but like Nikola Tesla and you know, a whole bunch of other people, but I don't know. We'll have to wait and see the world is a stage, right, every man and woman has his entrances and exits, so see what what happens man. Yeah, well they can probably wrap this one up, but before we do, I want you to let everyone know where they can find your podcast and find more information about what you're doing. You'll find me. You can google TJOJP one on one podcast on pretty much any major podcast platform, also on social media on pretty much all of them. Also on YouTube, and you can go to my website tj ojp dot com and find all my stuff there and Patreon dot com, slash the one on one podcast, all that good stuff. And appreciate you having me on bro so just fun. Yeah, not a problem. Glad you could get on here tonight and talk with me. I know it's we've played a tag back and forth trying to get this thing schedule. Our schedules don't always align. I usually don't record on a weekend, but sometimes I gotta make that, make the effort to. But I appreciate you coming on here and nine talk with me. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. We'll do it against yep, you have a good one. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. 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