Ep. 131: The Cokato Gorilla & Insomnia in Italy

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode, we're going to have two different guests. First guest will be Tyler. Tyler had a incident that happen back in two thousand and four. He saw something strange on the side of the road of Minnesota, so they reached out to me to talk about it. He's never mentioned it before in any sort of public forum. So this is the first opportunity he's had to share this, so I'm definitely looking forward to talking with him, and later on the show, we'll be joined by my other guest, Emron. He is from Italy and he's had some weird experiences why he's been over there. Plus he's also had some other issues when dealing with the government and trying to come back to America. So we'll definitely sit down with him and dive into that. But before we bring them on, if you've ever had an experience and you'd like to be on an episode of ten Foil Tels, please send an email to Tenfoil Tales podcast at gmail dot com or you can go to ten fol tell dot com and go to the contact section. Either way works for me, so just make sure to send a message and then we'll get something to schedule for a future episode. 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I like to take this time welcome my guest to night, Tyler. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me tonight. Hey, you're welcome, Brandon, thank you for having me. We got in contact through Reddit, which, if anyone knows, Reddit is kind of an abysmal little cesspool sometimes but some every once in a while I get someone genuine that reaches out to me and not just tell me that I suck aw shucks. Brandon, you call me genuine. For now. I don't know you yet. But all right, words out? Yeah, but no, would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? Yeah? Sure, you know. I've heard a few episodes in advance of this, and you've got quite a quite a wide and wild breadth of hope. Not a host, so I suppose you've got maybe you are a wild host. But I guess I mean guests, and I have a feeling I'm going to be terribly normy compared to most of them. But that doesn't mean I don't have an interesting story to tell that is that that is worth listening to on a pot podcast like Tinfoil Tales. I live in Wisconsin. I work in travel. I used to work in journalism, and I used to live in Minnesota. And it was during my years in Minnesota that I saw something that I couldn't explain. I guess we would call this a cryptid and I assume you've got plenty of other cryptid stories on the show. But I I'm, like I said, I I'm horribly nerdy and I'm horribly executive too. Like I had these two worlds, I like to keep very very separate. I've got a good career, but I like to just kind of put my nose in my steam deck after work, and you know, I got the the you know, parent and house and all the all the normal sort of stuff. And and I don't consider myself a hey professional podcaster, but I've got a podcast too. It's called Hero with a Thousand Potions, and we do we do storytelling in gameplay analysis of Japanese role playing games. We are deep into Final Fantasy seven Rebirth. We did a whole bunch of episodes on remake before that. If you dig on that, check us out Hero with a Thousand Potions. But what I'm here to talk about today is, well, I don't believe in encryptids. I'm not a conspiracy minded guy. Like I said, to a certain extent, I'm probably hideously normy compared to some of your other guests that, but I did see a cryptid once upon a time that I could not explain four years and then one day I learned something more about that incident that might have explained it. And the two sub stories together I think could be very interesting for Tinfoil Tales. Well, if you want to dive into that, go right ahead, because just anyone who listens to the show kind of knows myself. I always say I'm very skeptical too, Like I one to believe. I literally have the old X Files thing on my wall or used to behind box Moulder's desk or the Ufoor whatever it is that I want to believe. That has always been my mentality. But even when I've seen things, I still struggle to say what I saw is strange or paranormal, or crypted or whatever, just because I'm very rooted in science. So for me, it's like, it's hard to accept that because you and I have a lot of similarities. Basically, I work in a professional job site area too, to where I was nervous about people knowing about me doing this job because I've thought like, because of what I do, people are going to like, oh, this guy's crazy, we have him running these contracts. But now people out on the jobs are like, they listen to my show, So it's kind of It's kind of funny. Some would come up to me like my wife really liked your show. I was like, what, oh okay, Oh, I. Would be so embarrassed me, but you know, you we should if we've earned the reach, we should enjoy it. Yeah yeah, yeah. But now I'm I want to know about this Cryptid because cryptids is my bread and butter around here. That is the one thing that I always are my favorite episodes to get into outstanding. Okay, Well, firstly, let me say I think I bring it back to something you said maybe thirty seconds ago about like belief, and I feel the same sort of way in my headspace. It takes me a lot of evidence and scrutiny to believe something. And I don't just mean the paranormal or conspiracies. I just there's always this huge gulf in my in my heart between the phrase I like that and I believe that. Like there's an ocean, there's a galaxy between those two shores of how I feel about things, And so that might play into some of those two and how I become who I am. But enough of that waffling. Let's get into it. So gosh, this was the summer of two thousand and four. Oh my god, it was twenty years ago. That's twenty years this twenty years ago, Holy smokes. And I've never told the story before, not an a I'm not told friends, but I haven't. That's not a platform about it. Yes, that's right, and we're in, and I jokingly called this the cocado Gorilla. We'll get into it. We'll get into it. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't a gorilla, but that's the that's the name we're gonna call this. And so I'm For several years I lived in the southern suburbs of Minneapolis Saint Paul, and I had family that live in Western It's gonna get my directions right. Yes, Western Minnesota more rural, pastoral, farmlands, conservative country, cornfields, dirt roads, and this particular town, I don't think I can call it a city, you can call it a town. And in what I'll call Western Minnesota is Cocato co Ka t O. And I'm in. I'm in my car. I'm driving my my first first vehicle I ever got, which was a Ford Escort station wagon red and I'm with my sister, my cousin and that sister's boyfriend. And I'm driving my car and the boyfriend is sitting shotgun and the two girls are enjoying themselves in the back, not paying attention to the road. I am paying attention to the road, and the boyfriend is paying attention to the road. We're driving down a dirt road in between two corn fields at probably ten o'clock at night. The sun had gone down. It's summer, so I suppose the sun would said lay, but it's distinctly night's time. And there's no lighting on the road. There's no high mass, goose neck, you know. Lighting. It's your headlights and black and the headlight. And I'm setting this up because what the headlights illuminate is important to this, critical to the story. And and it's the dirt road, and then there's like a gully like a ditch, and then there's corn feels on every side. And to the left in the left ditch is this animal. And it didn't get a good look at it. The best look I got of it was this big, blonde furry thigh. And I need to explain what kind of thigh it is, because in your head, an animal's thigh can take a couple of different shapes, like let's say a well, instead of getting into the catalog of thighs, I'll just tell you like, it looked kind of like a rabbit's thigh. So it's blonde, blonde fur. Imagine like a I don't know, golden retriever blonde fur and the thigh in in silhouette would be like that of a rabbit, where it's got a thin like a well a small footpad, and then then a muscular thigh like for the for the size of a rabbit, it's a muscular thigh. Can we agree on that? But you know in your head, if you picture like a rabbit's thigh, that's different than like a coyotes thigh or a I don't even know what kind of wildcats we have in the Upper Midwest here, like a like a bobcat, the bobcats that, Yeah, I'm trying to think. I'm wondering. I feel like there's another like big cat in the Upper Midwest that I could imagine. But a lynx, Oh wow, they're pretty those would be pretty rare. But no, and but no, it's distinctly blonde and the shape of the rabbit's thigh, but it was much much much larger than a rabbit. It would be the animal itself would be like the size of a big dog. And I don't have an imagination for what kind of animal has a big blonde thigh like that and could scamper away from the ditch. And so I have to believe it's a it's a runner. It's got four legs and it's got muscular rear legs, kind of like a rabbit. So you might picture it's like a scamperer or or something. And like there's no animal that like endemic to the to Minnesota that has anything like that. It wasn't a dog or wasn't a cat. It was like a like I hate to keep going back to rabbit, but like the the big like a big body, the blonde thigh and hair sticks up in the back of my end. I go on the back of my neck. I turned to everybody else in the car and go, did anybody else see that? And the boyfriend did. He saw it too, and he was equally freaked out. My hair's tingling at the back of my neck. Already just reciting the story. The girls who were socializing with one another did not see it, and they saw that we were spooked, and they're like, so, what did you see? What did you see? And we kind of explained to them to the extent that we can, because we're still processing it. You know, if you. When you. It's hard to like articulate yourself, like ten seconds after something like extraordinary happens, right, And that's kind of how I felt. And we were like bumbling fools, and they were like, so, what was it like a gorilla? And of course I'm like, well, god knows if it's of course it wasn't a gorilla, but we were pretty sure it wasn't a gorilla. But it was still some large animal that like bound it away into the cornfield that we could not explain. And they teased us, and we were freaked out about what we saw, and we talked about it all night and we could never come to an agree about what it was that we saw. And time passes, years go by, and I'm cooking in my head and like I'm sister. And the boyfriend broke up maybe a year after, and he and I are still in touch about what that could have been, and then and I basically lose interest in it, but he but he kind of sp I hate say the word spiral because it sounds like bad behavior. But he gets into cryptid and cryptodology and cryptid research and things like that, and I don't. I don't do that. And eight years later he sends me a message out of the out of the blue. We have it is it has been a long time since we've gotten since we've spoken to each other. We are basically strangers onto one another. He's married to somebody else. He's not with my sister. He's been ages. He messages me, I think it's Facebook, and he goes Tyler check this out, and he sends me a news article. And in this news article, it's uh, it's an old and not an old, but like a rural rural minister to paper, the website of your local paper. And in the article it describes a man who got in a car accident striking a wallaby. When you were describing that and you kept saying a rabbit, the first thing I thought of was kangaroo. Kangaroo, Yeah, because they've got those big muscular thighs, kind of like a rabbit does. But it never crossed my mind that it could be a marsupial. I mean, what the fuck? And so it we wonder if what we saw was some farmer's secret illegal pets that got loose, or perhaps there is a wallabye farm somewhere in the hinterland of Minnesota and maybe someone some got out and made its way to a ditch in Cocato. A long time ago, and then I don't know, maybe that was struck by the vehicle or another one was struck by the vehicle. But for the love of God, a wallaby in Minnesota. They don't They are not endemic to the Upper Midwest. They're not endemic to Minnesota. But maybe that's what that was. Maybe that is what the cocato gorilla ended up being. That is interesting because I don't do a whole lot of physical researching, Like I listened to people's experiences, and I do look up things here and there, but I don't let this consume me like some people do. But one of the things I have come across, especially like I don't know how familiar with certain cryptids, but a lot of people see what they describe as upright walking canines, which, oh, I can tell you a story about that here in a little bit. But sure. A lot of people say what they're seeing our bears. Well, when someone says, oh, I had a tail, Oh you saw kangaroo, and I'm like, we don't have kangaroos here, well, I started looking into it. Apparently, excuse me. Apparently there are actual kangaroos that have gotten loose in our wild and this was down in I think Alabama, Oh. My goodness, Alabama kangaroos. But down there there was supposedly some wild kangaroos. And I don't remember where I saw this at, so who knows if it's true. It's on the internet, so I mean, it has to be true if it's on the internet. But it got me thinking. I was like, I mean, if you're not expecting something like that on the side of the road or jump out of a cornfield or anything like that, like that's not normal for it. Like we'd see a deer and we're like, oh, it's a deer, or even a bear if a bear kad like, we don't have bear here. But if a bear comes strilling out, like holy shit, that's a bear, you know, Like so like you would understand that. And but if a kangaroo just came out of nowhere, that's going to freak him a lot because they're like, where does this? I think I would prefer have seen a kangaroo just full board run across the road. That would that would probably freak me out to an extent, just because I'd be like, what is going on? Where did this kangaroo come from? Because it's not even like, did I like to hit a portal or something in transport to like Australia wherever the hell kangaroos are? Do you know who knows? There's a lot of Uh, there's a lot we don't know about rural Minnesota. No, that is a that is very interesting thing because when you when you're describing the leg and the thigh and you said rabbit, I was like, and the color of it. I was like, I wonder if it's gonna be like a kangaroo, but a wallaby's basically for anyone not sure what a wallaby is as a smaller version of a kangaroo. Yeah, like a diminutive version of a kangaroo. So so I don't know if it was a wallabye. But someone else in rural western Minnesota struck on what they're with their vehicle. Okay, My story was in two thousand and four and at eight years twenty twelve. Yeah, rural Minnesota have the breeding population of wallabies. Basically babes baby and god knows what else is out there. Well, I was wondering, like sometimes people do bring in animals and if they do get away, like they're not going to breed unless they had a breeding pair and they release them, which I'm sure there's weirdos out there that bring in animals and to just release them naturally just to see what happens. I've always wondered if people done that with like alligators, Like I know they can't live further up north, but like what if they took them to like a place where it's always warm and introduced them into like a lake or a pond, and all of a sudden there's no alligator Like alligators in a New Mexico or yeah they have yeah, southern California or whatever. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah, wild wild, And I guess that's what happened to it. A lot of people in Florida why they have the giant snakes and lizards and everything that's down there now because people believe their pets and the everglades, and now their everglades are being overran with invasive species like pythons, are iguanas and all sorts of things are old in the everglades. That is crazy. You hear those stories all the time about a like a sixteen foot alligator walking across the golf course. My dad lives just south of Fort Myers and he takes pictures, personal pictures of uninvited guests in his neighborhood. And they are big and scaly and mean looking, and uh yeah they're They're all over the place in Florida, aren't they. So here's a weird another synchronicity that we have in common. My dad's from Fort Myers. Oh, my dad moved there for to retire. Yeah, he was originally from there, so that's where the rest of my dad's side of the family had lived down there. So okidding, okidding, beautiful place. Yeah, I enjoy Florida, but I don't want to live there. There's too many things down there that will eat me. I don't I'm not a true I'm not a reptile person, like I don't mind them, but I'm also not big on bugs. And they have a lot of weird things down there. So you've got bugs, you've got gators, you've got snakes, You've got Disney mascot people got what they're doing. Every time we were just in Disney for New Year's and I didn't get eaten by any strange rab a Mickey Mouse costume players, but it was a interesting time. I'll just I'll leave it at that if anyone, if anyone wants to go and see real life cryptis, just walk around Disney World. You'll see some weird stuff, but no, I have goodness spectacular. I enjoyed that. It's that those are the stories that I enjoy hearing because no one really knows for sure what they see. And to find out someone hit something similar years later as someone comes back to be not closure because obviously you don't know for sure, but like it puts it into a perspective to like, you know, why that could have been the answers. Just such a such a left turn, a left turn among left turns, twelve years not twelve years later, eight years later. Yeah, because let me already hearing stuff about people talking about King mentioned like I wonder if this was a kangaroo, because I've heard on other shows too people said they were in the woods and they saw what looked like a kangaroo. I'm like, I mean, I guess I don't know what type of habitat they need, but if I'm sure that they could survive in certain areas, I don't know about snow, but like I'm assuming in specific areas they could probably thrive, because what's gonna hunt them. I couldn't tell y'all. I couldn't tell you. Yeah. Yeah, Well, if you'd like to let the audience know one more time where they can find your podcast out and everything else, we can probably wrap this one up because you said you didn't have a whole lot with it, and I can talk forever, but I don't want to. I don't want to take your time, like, unless you got this something else you would like to discuss. I'm like I said, I'm I'm online here, So whatever works for you. No, I think this is fine. I think this is good. I've came into this knowing that it would probably be a kind of a microtale, and hopefully your listeners did enjoy it. So again, my name's Tyler, and I suppose i'll plug myself again. I do a podcast with my friend Nate called Hero with a Thousand Potions. You can find us everywhere you get your podcast fix, and we are also gun Blade guys on YouTube and Twitch and other places, and so check that out. If you like FF seven remake and rebirth, listen to us. You're gonna love it. Just make sure to send me some links and I'll include them in my show. Notes for anyone listening count on it. I say that almost every episode, and then when the episodes come out, there's no links and everyone's like, oh, you're not really doing your sound like, well, no one sends them to me. So I said that everyone wants to sen I tell them to send me links, and then when they don't send me anything, I was like, that means I'm either have to go try and hunt down these links. Or but help me help you. Yes, I'm trying to like give everyone easy access to find you guys, and they don't want to send it to me. Like okay, but well you can count on me, Brandon. If I don't have it within the next five minutes, I'm gonna be very disappointed. All right, I'll get to work on it now. Thanks again, Brandon. I really appreciate being a part of this and I when we were offline, we were talking about your success in the show and and and your and your brutal work schedule. You're an inspiration to all of us. Well, I appreciate that. I don't I don't talk about a whole lot on here just because I don't know I have that old uh. I come from death metal band, so to me, it's like no one listened to us anyway. So it's just because for me, when people like I see how much the audience is for the show and everything else, I'm like, really just I'm surprised, but it's it's very humbling. Do you send me a link to your band too, and I'll send you a link to my awesome I can do that metal though we're more like Riffy Britt, Rock Muse, Arctic Monkeys. I enjoy all sorts of music, so I'm just because I was in a death metal band. I appreciate most music. There's certain music I just cannot stand. But for the most part, as long as there's actual, real instruments being played and it's actually not just like generic, I'm good with it. Cheers to that. Say that again. All right, Tyler, we will wrap this one up, but you hang on the line because we can talk once we're done. So yes, sir, Well everyone out there listening. Thanks to Tyler, Thanks for listening. We'll check you out on the next one. Like take this time to welcome my guest tonight, em Run. Thanks for coming on here talking to me. Thank you for having me. Brendon, would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Well, I was born in Italy. I'm an Italian national who spoke Indonesian as a first language, and then we moved to the States. Do you mind if I asked, what, how are you in Indonesia? Actually, so, as growing up I didn't really know what was going on, but as an adult talking to mom before she passed away, she was like, yeah, we went there partly because they were like interpreters and translators and they were working Italian Indonesian dictionary. Okay, yeah, I know of a few people that have went over there, and they've also went into China and everything else because they've been teaching English. And apparently I don't know this was your back, but you didn't have to have like a teaching degree or anything like that, as long as you could speak English plainly and write it. And new things that are hiring people to live over there to teach English. I didn't know if that was something like that you. Were involved in or want, but no, well, yeah, they were in the languages, but then it was also because they were part of a spiritual group called subud Okay that was founded by an Indonesian guy. Okay, well, I don't know one hundred percent of everything that you wanted to talk about here tonight. I know everyone that usually comes on the show has experiences or something they've researched or whatever. So if you have anything that you would like to discuss, feel free to die right on into it. Okay, Well, it's an experience based situation. Where in the early nineties, when I was still in the States in Portland, tigered in Portland, Oregon, I had something happened to me that I thought was like all me natural based and it was like a nervous breakdown or a mental health breakdown. They couldn't figure out what was the matter with me, but they left me with some antipsychotic bills held all in kagentin. I didn't like it, so I ditched. I ditched it after about a few months and went on a personal recovery and I thought everything was fine. And then fast forward to two thousand and seven, I have an incident that happens to me inside a building as I'm working on a project, and the sound of spray cants, aerosol spray spray ants coming from the ventilation and all of a sudden, I can't focus on my work. My palms are sweating and I'm shaking, and all of a sudden, along with that other things like paranoid thoughts and my vision is blurring also, And from there I go through this whole thing that feels like different kinds of drugs have just been doused into my system. And while it didn't have, while I didn't think about it immediately, the days and weeks that came afterwards, I'm asking myself, well, if I'm experiencing this right now, then what actually happened to me when I thought I had a nervous breakdown in the early nineteen nineties. Do you happen to know, like, were you when you thought you were having a nervous breakdown or whatever? Do you remember like everything that was kind of going on with that of why you were thinking that. The first time or the second time. The first time, well, the first. Time, all of a sudden, I'm what what was happening was wasn't the same thing, but similar in the sense that, all of a sudden, I'm feeling like I'm having kind of like an out of body experience. Body feels like it's floating into space, and I was actually into up York City at the time. Did you ever experience something like that prior that you're aware of. Oh, not, unless I had taken acid or something. Now, I wonder if I know you just mentioned that, a lot of people will start to write that off as while you're just on drugs. But there is a lot of people that if you listen to some of the things like that I've talked with and other shows or whatever. But there's a lot of people that swear to the fact that if you do something like DMT, it opens up your mind and you're able to communicate with different entities and different realms and all sorts of different things. Some people say it opens up your third eye. I'm not one that's ever dabbled with any of that, so I can't say one way or the other. And I don't incur for people to do it. That's not what I do. But I wonder if it's because you've done stuff before, if you already haven't made yourself open to this type of situation. Well true, But but what was weird is that the second time I had this experience, I felt like it wasn't coming for me because I'm here I just hear aerosol spray. Can I'm like, and it's coming from the ceiling ventilation. I was working on a project and doing totally fine, as opposed to the first time around, I have no idea what's happening, you know. So, yes, I have experience taking elis, I have a little experience taking a smoking weed. I've had a little experience with the sniffing speed or crank. But that's about the extent of my drug experience. And while the first time I have this what I think is a nervous breakdown, it might be associated to my drug experience, the second time I hear it physically coming from somewhere else and it's just a few yards above me, And so I'm asking, is it is it drug related? And I or, as you say, an experience that I've had with drugs, And so I'm I can be prone to or I can my mind might be less rigid, But I'm like, yeah, I don't think it's drug related anymore. I think it's it might be related to I don't know what. Just an outside source decides that here's one guy we can pick on. That's kind of what I was going with when I mentioned the whole. It opens yourself up to it, because if it does do that, then maybe there are other entities, energies, whatever you want to describe them as that have a means to I don't want to say target you, but like you become susceptible to that if you understand what so totally. I think that's one of the things that a lot of people don't seem to take account for when they talk about these type of topics, is, Oh, do this, I recommend you do this. You can open up your third eye, you can do this. You can travel, you can ask for or travel the after a plane, you can do this and all those I was like, yeah, but what if you bring back something you're not wanting to and what if these things will feed on that? Right, Because on the one hand, it can be a beautiful experience, but at the same time, you might not find you might find yourself experiencing it again but not because you chose to. And then all of a sudden you're in kind of a loop that turns negative. Mm hmm. Now the second time when you're hearing the aerosol can or whatever, what happened after that? So the immediate effects was sweaty palms, blurry vision, and then paranoid thoughts. I couldn't focus on the work anymore, so I just I left and went back to where I was staying. So remember, or we didn't mention this to your audience, who might think that I'm not Oh, who might think I'm in the States or I'm in Italy. And I left the States about twenty years ago. So this happened the first time I'm in Tiger and Portland, Oregon. The second time I'm in Italy in a roal neighborhood. It's two thousand and seven, one of the last Saturdays of October. And I also experienced the pins and needles on the soles of your feet, when apparently that's associated with heroin. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, And I asked myself because I've watched some movies and I've watched also documentary about heroin, and I asked myself if some of what I experienced was not what heroin is. The heroin experience is. Do you think that maybe unbeknownced to yourself, that you maybe have became in contact with something like that, or you really believe this was something trying to manifest itself to on you. I don't know, Well, it just happens to be coincidentally. At that time, I had just fouled a lawsuit against a business. But I recognized that the lawsuit was like was being fabricated by the union. I went with the trade union. I never had any experience with the trade union in my life. And this trade union, this Italian trade union, is creating a story for me, a story based on a lie. That seems weird. But I'm not familiar with how any of that over there goes. So yeah, the lawsuit. So it's the second time I signed a work contract, a yearly work contract, two thousand and six, and I'm like, well, this article is very unclear. It doesn't tell me that I'm an employee. It doesn't tell me that I'm a freelance worker. It doesn't define either or. And the trade union I decided to go with. First of all, we take like almost a year before they decide that they're convinced that I'm convinced I want to do this. And secondly they're like, well, forget about that contract. We're going to go to court to get you a full time, permanent contract. And then the following year because I know, maybe they hear through the grapevine that I'm going to figure out a way to call their bluff or tell the judge that this is totally wrong. I don't know what, but yeah. It is interesting with the timing of everything. Have you had any type of experience since then, well, in. Fact, since October two thousand and seven, I base So the big the biggest take from this is that I lose sleep. Uh, and I can't recover a regular sleep cycle. And that's been the biggest thing since then. I I I don't have it's all I sleep like dogs and cats at random. I don't have a particular time of day anymore where I can sleep regularly. There's like no set sleeping pattern for you. You're just whenever you fall asleep, you fall asleep. Yeah, and typically it's, uh, it's a crash. When I'm actually sleeping, it's because I've crashed. And this has happened ever since that incident, not a jew ever like the second one. Did you ever go to a hospital or anything like that? Yeah, a couple of times. Let me think, so the first time I'm I'm so, I'm in Canada and I get taken to the hospital, and I'm just therefore, I'm not sure how many hours they kept for me. They so basically cops came to the door where I was staying because I had bothered him one of these volunteer people who are volunteer therapists on the phone m hm. And so they sent me to the hospital and they strapped me in a journey and I'm strapped for I don't know how many hours, but so many hours. And then they'll let me leave with some prescription that I just dumped in the toilet. That's like twenty twelve. And then the next time, I'm in nataland the Hague, and there I went voluntarily. I just happened to get locked out of the apartment I was renting, and there was this guy who happened to be there. I'm not sure if like the owner of the apartment was like, yeah, I don't like this guy anymore whatever, and he was just like, well, you know, at least if you come with me, you'll have a place to stay. Well, you know, that's a very good point. And there there the first time, I don't stay very long. I'm there for a few weeks until I find an apartment. And then the second time, I don't actually go voluntarily, but I'm not against it. And the second time, I'm actually staying that they actually want me to stay there for almost a year, but after about four to six months they're telling me I have to go because I'm too expensive to stay. M me staying there ended up costing becoming too costly. And this was a medical facility. Yeah, this was a what And then the old expression is insane asylum or what's the new expression mental health award? Health hospital? Yeah. Yeah, strangely enough, there's one that's not too far. That state ran from where I lived, about maybe twenty miles from here, and I used to work on the property. I didn't work for them, but I used to have an office on the property for when I did do things, and we would see some of the patients. They had different types of patients out there. And without babbling too far into that, it's sometimes I wondered if these people were actually needing to be there, or if they weren't just faking it so they could. That's a strange concept and think that people would do that. But at the same time, it's like I can talk to you about it off air, but like just some of the things that i'd seen. It's just very bizarre. Yeah, no, you're right, I wonder too, because then there it's not any different with people who sign up for welfare checks or you know, or fake an injury at work and then they're like they're getting paid leave or something. Yeah, it's all. Or it's insurance claims. Because some of the people had free rein on the grounds, they couldn't leave, they had to stay there. But like, there was one guy and anyone from the air would probably know who it would have been. But he thought he was a buffalo and you would see him out eating grass and he would move at people, and I always wanted like, is that for realers? Does he really think that? Or is he just doing it because it makes him look crazy? Yeah, I don't understand either and or in fact, if I didn't, so, I found a therapist last at the beginning of the year, and if I didn't talk to that therapist, I would never. Like So I was. I've been obsessed with getting back my sleep, but I never thought that I could I should join a sleep study or seek a see doctors who are experts about sleep. I always thought I needed to just find a therapist who will back me up that I'm not insane, but I find myself found myself, yeah, being hospitalized, but none of the doctors are so I'm saying, look, I don't have if I'm insane, it's because I can't sleep. And the doctors, and one of the one of the doctors in mataland in the Hague, was like, no, you're you can't sleep because you're insane. Or actually the exact expression or the expect the exact diagnosis or what they thought, you know, their preliminary diagnosis was like, no, you're bipolar, that's why you can't sleep. I'm like, no, I'm bipolar because I can't spe No, I can't sleep because I'm bipolar. I'm not sure. Like I said, I'm not a therapist or anything, so I won't make any assumptions. But I've always thought that I don't know how bipolar no would correlate to making you not sleep. But I don't know, like I said, I'm not a psychologist or anything like that, so I don't know how they made that correlation. Yeah, but I just wonder how many, how many of these like mental health illnesses do we have? And none of and and and are the doctors associating it with sleep or like what if sleep does like help with a lot of our illnesses. But then that's then that goes into another subject. What else I don't want to forget to mention also then being an Italian name changing, so my other other experiences, like Italian citizens didn't have a legal right to change their name until I think the first instance was nineteen eighty eight, and then there was an amendment in nineteen ninety seven, and the last amendment is twenty twelve. And that's the that's the legislation that I've read, And it's unconstitutional. You can't change your name. I mean I can, but they're asking me to do something unconstitutional, Like I have to furnish information as to why I have to have a reason. You can't just do it because you want to. You have to have a legitimate reason for them to allow you to do that, basically right. Or like I have to share information, Like it's not something either just between me myself an eye just for myself, whether it's I want to or have to. It's not even a conversation that if I was if it was a conversation with a therapist or with family and friends. It's something I have to furnish to the government. I'm not a very big fan of government in general, not so much my government or I don't know about the Italian governments or anything else from outside of here, but just from my own personal experiences, I always have been hesitant when it comes to government. So I feel like there's a lot of bed ling in people's lives that doesn't need to. Be okay in some instances, but then in other instances, like in the States, at least in an Oregon. But I think it's just in general any state. The federal government doesn't oblige anybody to furnish any information. They don't have to have a reason. They can do it for whatever reason. Yeah, I'm pretty sure here in the States you can legally change your name for whatever you want without having to divulge information. It's one of my friends a couple of years ago even showed me the paperwork. It's really simple. You just go to city hall and fill out a form and then boom boom, it's like notarized by the court. Since you're are an Italian citizen, you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to actually change your name legally here in the States, and it wouldn't be recognized over there, would it. No, Yeah, I figured you. I figured you just have to be a citizen here before you could do that. Well. No, actually, so I was actually raised Imran Tranchuliti. Okay, my birth name was left doing whatever. I don't know what. But basically, as far as I know, since I was two, if there's no written document, since I was two, I was at least verbally called Imran in tronchuliting. And then there's document in Indonesia where it's spelled with an o Imran, but in the States, I'm Imran with an A. And from the age of going to school, you know, attendance and school records I've got I'm documented as Imran Trancheledi. And then I learned to drive. I get my driver's license, I get a job, I have a Social Security number. I open a bank account Imran Tranchility. So that's how that happened. And then I get my first passport. I go to San Francisco, and my first passport they write down im Run with my birth name first and last. They don't include Tronchility. That's I'm not real sure when it comes to things like that. Like I said, I'm not familiar with the whole aspect of anything legal on that aspect or anything. Yeah, so that well, but then that's the thing. So well, it's kind of like common law, like certain just understanding that we have it as a society that isn't necessarily written right m And then it's time for me to get to renew my passport. It's two thousand and nine. I'm in Patova, which is not far from Venice in the north, and I so it's two thousand and nine. It's a few years after this strange event where air saw spray and I'm basically drugged with I don't know what kind of cocktail and drugs, and I'm really skittish, apprehensive. I don't know what to trust. Really, I'm still feeling really kind of strange and malleable. But I apply for a new passport and I keep my mouth shut. I'm like, let me just try writing down on the application. I ran Tranjeliti and lo and behold. The officer who's dealing with me also keeps his mouth shut. I get my passport, says a round tranchility. Oh wow, this is amazing what's going on? But I freak out. I'm like, but I freak out, going what could happen? I don't know what could happen in the future. If I'm traveling as I ran Tranjulini, I don't know what the laws are. I don't know exactly what the law is. What if I'm somewhere in a foreign country and they're like, this passport's illegal, it's not your birth name, and then all of a sudden, I'm going through some strange like spy movie getting waterboarded. Yeah, I don't know how that works. But some countries or whatever, I know, like certain ones like maybe here they might detain you, but I don't know how extreme it goes from there. I've never really I've never left the country. I don't have a passport. I've never left the United States, so I don't really know how things happen around bordered or anything like that. So for me, I'm pretty much bland. It's stuck here in the middle of cornfields. Well, I just ended up giving it back and getting a new passport with my birth name. And when I told my mom, She's like, oh my god, you're so stupid. I guess it's better safe than sorry. Yeah, but to my mom was like, yeah, at the perfect opportunity. Well, like I said, I don't know how any of that works, So I'm not the person that has any sort of holedge on names or the legality issues. Of changing your name or anything like that. News to me that you're not able to do that over in Italy without having some sort of reason to give them. Well, and that's the thing when when I talked to it's not easy actually with email. So I've contacted a lot of lawyers, but only a few have actually communicated with me and either so basically, so far I've only got two, where one was last year and basically he's like, I'm just a technician and I just had to I had to drop it because they wouldn't let me do it my way. They had to do it the way that the legislation's rate. And then the June July found another lawyer and they came up with I've got family problems all of a sudden, and please look for another lawyer. Because it seemed like this lawyer understood me and was and was telling me that there's another procedure within the law that allows us to do something different that doesn't that doesn't oblige me to furnish a reason. I'm like, okay, great, but then all of a sudden, Oh, thereir family problems. Look for another lawyer. Yeah, it seems a little bit odd. Yeah, I don't want to put on my tenfoil half, but it sounds kind of sketchy. I don't know why they have an issue with helping out, but I don't know. Well so I don't know if it makes a difference if Italy is a constitutional republic as opposed to a presidential republic. But I also learned just a few weeks ago that the Italian president can only veto legislation once before it gets past. I actually heard something the other day without diving into United States politics, but I don't believe some there were claiming we are not in the United States. Is not a democratic like constitution. It is a republic, and I don't know what the difference is. I meant to look into it further, but that's what the constitution is, and it basically says that there's that's how you got like the right side and the left SIDEEA of your Republicans, which are actual supposedly ones that want to keep the republic status of how the country was made, and then you have the Democrats who are trying to make it more of a democracy, and they claimed that was never part of what the constitution ever said, that we were a democracy. Again, I don't not to turn it into a political aspect here on the episode, but like, I don't understand the difference of how that determines, And I was kind of wonder if that's maybe what you're referring to too. Well, that's as easy as getting a dictionary. Though right. That I saw it, I meant to go and look into it. I never did, so I'm looking up republic right now on my Merriam Websters. So definition one a number one a government having a chief of state who is not am on art and who in modern times is usually a president. This here, so that's that's the US, and that's also Italy. This says the United States is a federal constitutional republic which the President of the United States, the head of the state, and the head of the government. Congress and the judiciary share powers reserved to the national government, and the federal government shares servianity within the state governments. We start talking about government stuff, and then all of a sudden there's issues. Yeah, but we're not even talking about anything extraordinary, right, Yeah, figuring out with the dictionary what we're talking about anyways. Yeah, So those are those are my two experiences. One that's regard that it's about mental health and whether or not it's genetic in me. And the other is the name's changing law, which is unconstitutional and all and then all, and then I have to go ask myself, well, why did I I didn't have to leave the States? Why did I leave? No, I left the States because I was having work problems. But I learned some stuff. And then I'm not saying, well, should I should have just gone to the Italian consulate nearest where I was living if I was having any problems, Because now I can't get back to the States. It's like twenty years that I haven't gone back home because the States is home and I can't work because I don't have a consistent schedule. Now you'd mentioned this year you've actually started with a new therapist. Have they been trying anything to help you with your sleep patterns? Nothing? No, nothing, except for the suggestion of looking for a sleep study. Group. Have you actually tried to find one yet. No, Well, you can't do anything unless you have residency in Italy. For you to have access to doctors and hospitals, you need to have residency. And I have it, but I would have to I don't have it where I live. I have it in another town. I have it back in Partiva, which, as I mentioned, it's near Venice. How would you go about getting residency where you're at now? Is it a complicated process too? Yeah, I'd have to live somewhere where the owner of the if it's not my own property, the owner of the house would have to agree. And typically proprietors don't like tenants having residency at their at their place. Kind of strange because then if you're not able to get that, then you're not able to get any sort of medical treatment. So it seems like a kind of a strange situation. Yeah, it's typical. Most Italians will have residents at their house where they own. And so if it's the children, then what happens is they have residency at their parents' house and they're just if they're in a totally different town or somewhere else in Italy, they domicile whereever they live outside of their house. Learn a lot about Italy. Yeah, I'm not familiar with a lot of the different aspects to how certain governments rule and everything else. So it's interesting to hear some of these stipulations that they have in other countries, because a lot of people, including myself, and dogged on some of the things that we have here. But if you find out more from people from outside of America, we really do have a lot more freedoms here than what a lot of people want to make it out the seam. And I'm guilty of that too. There's certain things here with this country that I don't agree with, But then there's also things like what you've dealt with that I don't think we would. Deal with here. Yeah. So, but at least generally speaking, we have a right to speak our mind of things we agree with and we disagree with. Generally shouldn't cause any issues. But yeah, I wonder what happened in my life to put myself in this situation where I can't afford to take care of myself. And I. Can't afford to move back to the States, where maybe things would be different. I wouldn't find myself constantly not being able to take care of myself. I honestly don't know. Let's say it's kind of a shitty situation all around. Yeah, it's. I feel also like I'm getting bitter and angry that I'm in this situation. Now, the talent you I'm not familiar with, like how Italy is laid out order, but the talent you do have residency And how far away is that from where you are now? M hm, exactly, I don't know. Let's ask Google Maps, say. If it wasn't super terribly long or far for you, maybe you could try and seek doctors in that area if you're able to get there. Well, well, yeah so, because then it's also a question of right directions in kilometers, it's four hundred, nor is it from where I'm at my location. So by car it's about five hours and forty nine minutes. By train it's about five hours and twenty one minutes. A pretty good distance because even I don't no one understands how big America actually is the US until you look at it compared to other countries and then you realize that we really are big. So for me, I used to drive ninety two miles one direction just to get to work. And I did that for a year and it took me almost two hours, a little over an hour and a halfter two hours. For me, that's that's seemed like a long time. But then when you talk, when you talk with other people, they the commutes are a lot longer. And but like when you tell someone from a different country that I was driving that far, they're like they think that's insane. Yeah yeah, I mean for me it was normal. But for other people they are like, that's insane, Like how far you had to drive. I was like, I mean, that's just how it is. Like the states that I live in, Like my office is about seventy miles from where I work from where I live right now, it's to me, it's just oh I drive for a little over an hour I get to. Work, so okay, so a little over two hours would be going to work and going back home round trip. Yeah, but I do that five days a week. It's that people do that, maybe not typically with the car, but rather with the train. I feel like here in America a lot of things are more maybe in like the bigger cities, they have the subways and they have the stuff like that, like public transportations. But where I live out in the middle of nowhere, you have to drive regardless of where you're going because every big town is at least an over an hour away. Zoom, and your public bus is going to be like not hourly. No, we don't have public buses where I live, like like the bigger the bigger cities will have them, but I live out in my country. I don't live in near a big city or anything like that, so for me, it's non existent. Literally there's no bus will take you to the big city from your town. No, we'd probably have to like uber or something like that. But for me, everyone has vehicles, so I don't ever think about a bus. Like a school bus comes and picks up my kids. That's the I've ever see a bus. But no, we don't have like public transportation that I'm aware of in my little town. Like the next town downs like twenty something miles away, I think they have like some version of transportation. But like Indianapolis is our capital and it is that has public transportation, and like I know some of the other cities have public transportation, but like just these little podunk towns here and there, we don't have. Anything like that, nothing that connects the towns. No. Basically you have on a highway and you drive. Yeah, that is why they call my state the crossroads of America because we have highways to drive through here. There's country singers that call to flyover state and to me, I just see cornfields. I look out my window and I see corn on each side of me, So that is where I live. Yeah, I think there's some kind of public transportation going through every little town. It might not be like hourly all day every day, but at least once in the morning and once in the evening to have something that will connect you to another town. I think we have like taxi services, but they're not like publicly provided, like you would still have to pay like the driver to do like take you wherever you're going. They don't have like just public buses you hop on. They just drive you to the next stop. Like when I've been to Chicago, I've hopped on a bus and I got taken a few blocks down and hopped off the bus. Done stuff like that. But again, like in our small areas, there's just nothing to do that with. Yeah, it's not going to cost just a bus ticket. It's going to cost ten or twenty or thirty. Dollars probably for someone nowadays to take you down and back. You're gonna be pound probably a lot more because almost gas prices alone would cost more than that. When I not to turn the show into something that I've done, but like, we went out to Las Vegas back four years ago, and just to get an uber from the airport to the hotel, we end up paying like thirty something dollars and I think we're only in the vehicle for twenty minutes. I don't know how far they actually went, but like I was, like, this is insane. And then on the way back to the airport, we found out they did have buses, so we hopped on a bus and took the bus to the airport, and we ended up paying like a couple dollars to ride the bus. Right exactly. But again, that's like I said, Indian Apples, I know they have that stuff, and the other bigger cities they will have that stuff, but out in the middle of nowhere, we don't have anything like that. Yeah, Well, if you have anything else you'd like to talk about, we can. If not, we can probably wrap this. One up Yeah, that's pretty much it. Well, I definitely appreciate you come on here and talking with me tonight. It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, well for everyone listening, hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Thanks to am Ron for coming on here and talking with me, and thanks for listening. But we're gonna wrap this up, so good night everybody, and that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to ten Foil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltel dot com. Just get your message to me. 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